Inside Scum & Villainy: JC Reifenberg on Fandom, Star Wars, and Building a Geek Mecca

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Well Hello, and welcome to another Thursday night. This is
ATG Live. I'm one of your hosts, Pete Fletzer and
of course, as always, joined by my good friend co
host brother from another mother, mister Nick Milky. Nick. What's
happening brother?

Speaker 7 (01:59):
Well, I'm leave.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Our friend Han Solo said it best.

Speaker 8 (02:02):
I'm home, and I'm glad to be home because this
week has included a lot of extra worky things and
TV local TV news media appearances, and my afternoon had
the potential to be derailed between a flat tire on
my car and the fact that I had to go
pick up a piano and have it delivered, or actually
deliver it and install it in my home for my family,

(02:25):
who I love so much. So the fact that it
didn't all go haywire and kept me from being here tonight,
I'm excited to agree with Han.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
I am home. That is a miracle and I'm glad
it's the piano attitude. It's got to be attitude.

Speaker 8 (02:37):
Right, It's not as out of tune as we expected
it to be, but it is in need of a
professional tuning situation. So yeah, well in piano tuner incoming soon.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
Right, good, excellent, Well it is Thursday night, and Nick,
we have a great show.

Speaker 8 (02:52):
Who do we have tonight? We have a fantastic show.
We're excited to welcome tonight. We're going to welcome in
just a few minutes mister j c Riefenberg. JC, among
many things that he has done and we're going to
talk about, is the owner, creator, and proprietor of Scum
Villainy Cantina. Excuse me, I'm so excited I can't even speak.
And we also know JC because of our good friend

(03:14):
Vanessa Marshall and Potter Rebellion. He is the producer, fact checker,
you know, go to guy on that show as well.
So there's lots of fun Star Wars stuff that we
get to talk about with him tonight.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
That's awesome and it's my job tonight to tell you
don't forget to head over to the SSW network dot
com where you can find all our social media's. We finally,
I'm going to bring her in. We've decided that it
is twenty twenty five and we should probably have somebody
manage our Instagram League of professional instead of the hacks.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
That we are.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
And not only she produced the show, but she keeps
us in line for around the galaxy and now she's
our our Instagram lead. Hi, Kelsey, how are.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
You doing all right? You guys, you know, just already
making it a headache for me. It's finally just having
to teach a dog new tricks. It's all good.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
But let's get it.

Speaker 8 (04:03):
Let's give a good, legitimate, genuine peak behind the curtain.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
Earlier today, Yeah, when.

Speaker 8 (04:08):
We were texting and Kelsey said, hey, I need the
password to get into the Instagram, and we went, we
don't know that.

Speaker 7 (04:14):
We all.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
So you both can use it, but neither one of
you knows the password exactly, the ultimate old guy thing. Yeah, no,
in my phone, why would I need the password? I
felt like, now I understand why I drive my teenage
daughter crazy. I felt like, it's just I don't know.
I was like, which button do I press?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Oh my gosh?

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
So, but we also have a voicemail. I want to
mention that to call us anytime you want five four
three fifteen calls during the show. If you're listening on
the replay and something strikes you, call us five oh
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know you just and as Andrew says, like and subscribe.

(04:59):
I guess that's Andrew. You're hired. You can do it.
We can do it like and subscribe. I'm going to
just stop there.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
You guys, Brian guessed the password. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
Let's changed again. Well, I just use my Social Security number,
which is.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
What about your bank account?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
What's this? It's still on?

Speaker 7 (05:31):
And you know, I realized the video and I thought
about it.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Do you have it with you?

Speaker 6 (05:36):
I don't know so, but we still drink to it.

Speaker 8 (05:39):
We have, We're going to drink it. I think I
have it handy. I do have it handy on my
desktop coming up, so I'll let you hit the play
button at the appropriate time. It is Soca. Yes you
don't know what Soca means. Bless your heart and welcome.
We're glad you're here for the first time. We're about
to add some fun stuff to Oh man, that's a
great call with the cup. Were were going to add

(06:00):
a great section to the website coming up soon as
we continue to not be old, and we're going to
explain our silly little monthly action figure toast game. But
I'm not doing that tonight. It is ag Soca. I
have my Ahsoka action figure perched on my beer. She's
about to take a dive here in just a second.
But it's only appropriate that tonight, as I mentioned the piano,
and our friend Brian Linley is in the chat. Brian

(06:22):
was one of my three dedicated good friends who helped
came and helped me move this piano. Today did several
of my buddies and said, it's like that Seinfeld thing
about you. He asked you to help him move, like
it's a big deal to ask people to move things,
especially when it's as obnoxious as a piano. So tonight
I'm raising my ag Soca toast to Brian Linley, Brian Reeves,

(06:44):
and my good friend John McPhee.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
So it is happy Star Wars and happy og Soca.
Did it again? Neck, you're a pro and it's it's

(07:08):
every week it becomes a little bit more scary and
starting soon. That is true. To get ready, that is true.
That is very true.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
Well, because my team's gonna suck, so I'm gonna have
to tug a lot of beer.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
So you're you're Auburn, I'm an Auburn fan.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
That is correct.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Yeah, I just the reason I need to ask that
is because my son plays n Cuba twenty six football
and I want to He always asked me to play,
and I want to see how bad they can get
my ass kicked. And Auburn would probably.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
So.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Uh, Well, we're gonna take a quick break. We have
a fantastic show coming up tonight. We got JC Raefenberg
joining us, and we're gonna look for your questions in
the chat. We want to hear what you have to say.
And then of course we're gonna hit the news. There's
been a little bit of news in the Star Wars
world this week, so we're gonna take a real quick
break and when we come back, we'll be joined by
JC and we'll be back with more ATG Live. Well,

(08:01):
welcome back to ATG Live, your Thursday night home for
all things Star Wars, star Wars, trivia, star Wars, collectible, stars, conversation,
stars interviews, uh, star Wars collector's tips. I don't know,
didn't you know? I saw paul Son Young Lee in
our little clip there, and it reminded me his figure
is on shells now I believe, so figure go get yours.

(08:25):
You know, we just had a new target opened in
our neighborhood, so I eagerly went to UH to check
it out, and they didn't happen and they had.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Not spoiler alert.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
If you want to be prepared, if you want to
get ahead of.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
The game, I'm pretty sure that next month's Action Figure
chug is going to be Septeva. Sot your figure, get
ahead of the game and be prepared for the month
of Septeva.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
As we continue to join us for our chugging adventures. Well,
we are joined tonight by Jac Raefenberg. He started working
professionally at the age of sixteen, creating multimedia presentations for
local business. He's a graduate of miam Film School. He
has worked for Major League Baseball Network. He's done music videos.
He has also a podcast host. He's a producer, including

(09:10):
the Star Wars Pot of Rebellion, which all of you
are very familiar with. Jac and his wife are the
Coke are the creators and proprietors of the Scum and
Villainy Cantina in Los Angeles. Near the top of my
list of things that I need to get to soon.
Please welcome to the show. J c Riefenberg. There he is.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Oh my gosh, guys. First off, even just sitting here
for the first whatever ten minutes of the show watching Uh, Carson,
Teva Helmet right there.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Yes, nailing it.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Also, I feel like everybody I know has been on
your show, but me, God, it was just it was
just a matter of time. Grunberg was on the show,
Shelby Uh was on the show. Newman was on the show.
Vanessa has been on the show. Yep.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
So you've been the hardest one to get.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Best for last.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
I guess it is the last.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Going out with a bang.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
We finally got him, guys, But thank you for being here.
This is fun.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I can't it's it's fun. It's wild. Like we talk
on part of Rebellion a lot of sports, and people
are always like, I love this podcast, but like they
talk about football way too much, basketball, way too much.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
We're sports friend here.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah. I went to University of Miami, which you mentioned
in my intro, from two thousand and three to two thousand, No,
nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three, so if
you're familiar with them, that was like the greatest four
years of football in the history of college football. If

(11:17):
you're talk it was domination and first round draft picks
and then first round draft picks. They went on to
be Hall of Fame NFL players. So welcome to the
Star Wars Football podcast.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Yeah, well, I mean we talk baseball all the time.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
A little bit of all of it. We're oh my god.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I mean, I worked at Major League Baseball from two
thousand and four until two thousand and eight. I worked
for the Dodgers in two thousand, No, two thousand and
four to two thousand and eight. Two thousand and nine,
I worked for the LA Dodgers, and then from twenty
ten to like twenty twelve or thirteen, I worked for
the MLB Players Union.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
I'm like that rare breed.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Obviously, you guys too, it does both like intensely.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Yes, yeah, yeah for sure. Well, I mean, if you're
still a Dodgers fan, I'm a big Phillies fan, so
I'm just waiting for us to have to face off
again this year or not again. But we didn't make
it past the Mets last year.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
But I'm not a Dodger fan.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
You're not a Dodgers because okay, so who's your team?

Speaker 5 (12:23):
That's right. I grew up a White Sox fan, but
now I'm like more of just like I like players.
I like the sport. I feel like teams are kind
of like it's over corporate.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Yeah, it's true. What is it, Billy Crystal? You say
you're just really rooting for a uniform at times, you
know you're not really.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah, it's like you know how there's just like they
always say, like don't like, don't make a business out
of something you love. Like working in baseball for a decade,
it was like you see all the ross things and
you're people are like, what's your team? And I'm kind
of like, well, it's kind of like asking me, like

(13:07):
do you root for Walmart or Target or Steer it's
in the stock market. I'm like, none of them. Yeah,
like none of them care. I mean a few a
few team owners care if they win or not a handful,
but most of them are just business people. But players,
players want to win. Like, you can't be a pro

(13:27):
anything if you're not, Like you cross that white line
and you're like one hundred percent in, like that's got Yeah,
like you've got to be in it up here to
even get to that spot. You can't turn it off.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
So yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, Yeah, it's tough. You know,
like my son is that he's twelve and he's a
big Phillies fan, and like, we got a couple of
players that are like, they're free agents, and I'm like,
don't get too attached, because that's gonna be It's gonna
be a rough winter if that happens some of those guys.
I mean, I like, like you said, I get it,
but it's gonna it's gonna bum my mouth. Sorry, it's

(14:01):
part of growing up.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
I suppose, right, learn those lessons the hard way.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
But so we want to bring it into Star Wars
for a little bit, maybe we should no, no, and
we'll bounce back to sports. I'm sure we'll be back,
jumping off kind of the classic question when you get
somebody new on a show. Earliest Star Wars memories, what
hooked you? You know, what brought you into the Star
Wars world? You know, early in your life?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Okay, So I was born in nineteen eighty one January
of nineteen eighty one. One of my first memories that
of anything in my life, was my dad taking my
cousins and I to see Return of the Jedi in
the movie theater and people are like, you were two.
I was like, well, I was probably thre to three,
and I don't remember, like I don't remember like Vader

(14:53):
throwing the Emperor down the Death Star shafter, but I
remember the event of it, like I remember the hype.
I remember the like how excited everybody was in the
movie theater and what an event it was. And I've
I've cross referenced that memory with my dad and just
been like, hey, wasn't like in the movie theater because

(15:15):
there was a balcony. I was like, we were sitting
in the last row of the like non balcony seats,
We're like in the middle, and like you were sitting here,
and I was sitting here, and Sean was sitting here,
and Brian and Kevin and like Sean had like one
of those whistle things that were and you like made
this garbage comment to him about he was going to

(15:35):
swallow it and then sound like that, like and my
dad was like, I cannot believe you remember that. So
like that, it's like burned in my brain that event
attending that thing. And then of course I got all
the Return of the Jedi action figures in a C
three po carrying case, which I literally like for people

(16:02):
watching at home literally have and like it's not the
nineteen ninety seven Power of the Force non Vack Medal
life one, you know. So I got that and the
Ewok Village that year of Christmas nineteen eighty four. I
got all that stuff and then it kind of faded

(16:25):
into by the way, you guys, I'm so sorry. I
also produced Kevin Smith's podcast, and I've been doing stuff
with him for ten years, So like, tell me to
shut up, because I spend an hour and a half
on this one question. When I was in third grade,
my friend Trevor and I I kind of got not
out of it, but like Transformers and g I Joe

(16:47):
and Ninja, like all of that stuff kind of like
seeped in. But then when I was in third grade,
my friend Trevor and I discovered a toy chest of
his older brothers Star Wars toys and he had all
all the stuff that I never had and I like
and we like took it out and started playing with
it and and and from then on it was just

(17:10):
like went so deep on it. Like he and I
had sleepovers every weekend and sometimes we do like the duel,
Like after school, I went home, I ate dinner I
went to his house after dinner. We like played Star
Wars with those toys from Friday night until Sunday morning

(17:30):
type of stuff like crazy, absolutely awesome and crazy and
so like just from then, like you know, and you
guys know, like back then, like your son is twelve,
yeah he has. We were doing Pot of Rebellion earlier,
and I was I fact checked the amount of Star

(17:54):
Wars that is released now, right, and so the amount
of Star Wars that is released now. I still have
my fact check document up. It's absolutely insane. There are
thirty hours of Rebels, sixty six hours of Clone Wars,
eighty five total hours of live action Star Wars. When

(18:16):
I was in third grade, there was six hours and
twelve minutes yep. So you consumed everything. You knew every
character in Jabas Palace and what their backstory was, and
you know, and then the Decipher Star Wars CCG game
came out. Oh, and like you know, being the cool
kid I was, like I went from football practice. I

(18:41):
went from school to football practice to my nerdy friend's
house and we just played that all night and all
day Saturday or like went to the comic bookshop. So
obviously I had a lot of friends on the football team,
but I was already like three hours late to the
game by the time I got home fall practice. Obviously
I fit in well everywhere, but like those cards, just

(19:05):
memorizing the details, like, oh my god, did you know
that the guy that in the canteena that Obi Wan
tries to hire, his name is Bosk. And then after
that encounter, like Bousk went on and changed his life
and maybe that's card more is why in episode two

(19:29):
when they go into the Outlander, Obi Wan's you want
to go home and rethink your life because this guy
from Decipher wrote that. Obviously I'm in.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
As a as a late to the trilogy, right, you
came in at the end of the trilogy original trilogy.
How did the how did the prequels strike you? Did
you come in as a fan or I mean because
me and Nick have you know, we've we borrow from
Ken Knapstock and say, you know, we're uh from prequelists, right,
and so I'm always curious as too the way the

(20:04):
prequels hit you when they came out.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Okay, so you have to think, like I never really
saw Star Wars in movie theaters. I saw it on VHS,
and most of it was I saw it on VHS
recorded off of ABC. So when I was in seventh
or eighth grade, I got that box set, the blue
and Red one, and then all of a sudden, I'm

(20:28):
seeing like stuff that got cut out of the ABC
and it's like brand new stuff. And then in ninety
seven we got the special editions and I'm like, oh
my gosh, even new, more new stuff. And then we
got the Behind the Magic ce rom where you got
to see like the big scenes and you're like, oh
my god. And then the prequels came out, and and

(20:53):
I was eighteen when episode one came out. I saw
it a little bit early. I saw it on the sixteenth.
It released on the nineteenth, and I was actually on
the Rose O'Donnell Show doing Star Wars trivia on the
nineteenth with Jake Wood. And and it's interesting, like it's

(21:14):
obviously not what any of us expected, right, but the
idea that when I was in Star Wars, like I
got into Star Wars during the Dark Ages, and like
the Timothy Zahn books came out and I was like
Air to the Empire. I was like the only fourth
grader reading Air of the Empire in nineteen ninety one.

(21:38):
So the thing was is like seeing the new Star
Wars and like, to me, Star Wars is the lore,
Like I am not. I don't care about the space battles,
I don't care about like the acting, or I don't
care about any of that. I like the lore. And
so the lore in the prequels is so deep and

(22:01):
it provides so much context. And so if you want
to say, like the prequel suck or like I wasn't
into it or whatever, that's fine, Like I get it.
The prequels are brilliant stories told kind of clunkily right right,
kind of clunkily, which I much prefer to. Like other

(22:23):
stuff that's come out that I'm not going to name
by name because I get in trouble on the internet
every time I do. But other stuff that's come out
that is like just video game where you're like, there's
no story here, there's no law here. This is like
the worst fan fiction of all time. But like, hey,
there's red curtains in a lightsaber fight that makes no sense.

(22:45):
You know, yep, yep. I couldn't do it. I couldn't
not make you couldn't had to go there. Yeah, but
do you know what I'm saying, Like I want the
lore like and so for me, the prequels were like
it was so rich in bad story and lore that
like people are like, I don't buy Anakin and Padme
getting together in episode two. It's so terrible. And I'm like,

(23:08):
but like the lore, Yeah, so I didn't. I didn't
approach it that way. And I think the more time
has passed since the prequels, you know, like we're what
twenty years on from.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
One end of the ship.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, you go back and you watch those against some
of the stuff that we're watching today, yep, and even
the good stuff today, you're like, oh, these still like
there's still like a depth to it. Like again, tell
me to shut up, but like, for example, and I

(23:47):
have some insight here and and I'm just gonna spill it.
Like the the way that George Lucas did world building
is George Lucas would take some buddy who's like really
good like a creature designer and like a a somebody
who's really good at like anthropology and geography, and somebody

(24:12):
else who's really good at technology, and he'd be like,
the three of you guys go into a room and
come up with udapow. Right, So you have these three
people who are very good at different disciplines being like
well the spaceships of like if Udapau is like a
planet that's like made out of sinkholes, then the creatures

(24:34):
who grow who were spawned from Udapaw would look like
this because they wouldn't have some exposure and they wouldn't
have this, and their skin tone would be this way,
and they'd write. So it was like this holistic view
to creating society versus the new stuff, which is like
you come up with twenty planets, you come up with

(24:54):
twenty characters, you come up with twenty spaceships, and the
director or the showrunners like like that and that and that,
and then they smash it together and you're like, there's
no cohesion here, Like it's what looks the coolest versus
what was built organically to work in tandem. And I

(25:16):
think that's like why even today I love the Prequels
even more than ever before, because like it is cohesion
that you feel as a human being in a way
that that like the piece is just fit in a
way that like even like the best stuff today doesn't

(25:37):
quite fit that way except for and or, which.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
Is like, well, yeah, that's that's yeah, nearly perfect. But
I think I mean even when you say that, I
think of things like like Tatooine in a New Hope.
Like if that was you know, the typical nineteen seventy
sci fi film, it would have been people in flashy
silver costumes, and but it was Jahua's and sandpeople and

(26:01):
you know, lizards that lived in the It was. It
was so well thought out that you never once questioned
what went into the thinking, which I think is that
that's the magic to me of Star Wars is when
it's done right, you don't question what's happening. You're just like,
oh yeah, of course that that just makes sense. This
is what happens.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Well, speaking of of Tatooine, I got to talk we
got to talk a little bit about scum and Villainy.
When for those who aren't familiar, that's it's a geek
bar in Los Angeles where every every genre is welcome.
And I mean you can't help but be uh just

(26:40):
I mean, the name is scum and villainy, so it
evokes this image that you love. But tell us about
the bar. Tell Us, I want to know the story
of how it came about because it's I I remember
hearing about it when it first hit nine years ago
and it's been on my list. But tell us a
little bit about the story.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
So we announced it through Nerdiced almost exactly nine years ago.
As we record this, it's like August fourteenth. We announced
it on Nerdice August seventeenth, twenty sixteen, so it's been
we've been around a while. The uh, the genesis of
it is my wife was a bar and restaurant designer

(27:22):
and I am a film person by trade, and we
went I'm going to try to keep this part of
the story short because there's no way we're getting out
of here in an hour fifteen. I'm so sorry. We
went to a pop up bar in Chicago called Saved
by the Max by a guy named Derek Berry, who's

(27:44):
become a friend of mine. Because the world of pop
culture pop up bars is very, very small, there's like
three of us that do it. And uh, because she
loves Saved by the Bell and I grew up in Chicago,
so like we went and much longer story, but we
didn't get in and I was at my mom's house

(28:07):
where my whole collection was at the time, and I
just started thinking about it, and so we went the
next morning and got in line like five hours before
they opened, and like, I just was like, we could
do something like this, and she's like, what do you mean?
And so Simon villain Canteen is what happens when a
filmmaker who loves Star Wars teams up with a bar

(28:27):
and restaurant designer. But the build and the concept came
from I've been to a lot of Star Wars celebrations.
I've been to every single Star Wars celebration in the
United States since Star Wars Celebration two, and I went
to London a couple of years ago.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
Cool and.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
The best part of Star Wars celebration. And I think
this is where like a lot of current Star Wars
misses it where they're like Star Wars fans want license merch.
It's like Star Wars fans want community. And I always
found that, like when I got back from Star Wars
celebrations that I never really remembered what Mark Hamill said

(29:14):
in the panel that I waited six hours to get
into or Carrie Fisher or even George Lucas. I waited
overnight at Star Wars Celebration three to get into. I
have no idea what he said in that panel, but
I still keep in touch with the people who stood
in line in front of me and after me twenty
five years, twenty years later, and so it's like, why

(29:37):
doesn't that exist for people on a daily basis? Right?
The best part about a comic con, the best part
about a convention doesn't happen at the convention. It happens
at the bar after the convention, where you share with people.
Oh my god, Mark Hamill said this. Oh I didn't
get into the Mark Hamil panel. But the new video

(29:59):
game that's coming out for Sunleash. You're never going to
believe how cool that looks. Right, that's the best part
about it. And it's the community part. So we wanted
to create a comic con after environment that's open every
single day, And how do you do that? How do
you achieve that? Especially for people like us who's you know,

(30:24):
like a lot of us are not cool, a lot
of us didn't fit in, a lot of us are
on the spectrum a little bit, and so like, what
do you do? How do you get those people who
are traditionally hanging out at a comic bookshop or traditionally
hanging out and look, times have changed a lot, even
in the last nine years since we opened scumm and Villainy,

(30:45):
But like, how do you get those people from like
a homebody playing magic, the gathering at home out into
an environment that they typically are uncomfortable? And I met
in two thousand an eleven Ernie Klein, who now goes
my farnest client. Yes, yes, the writer Already Player one

(31:09):
and and you know the wonderful thing about Ready Player
one is it was about nerds, right and like, yes, uh,
the characters in Ready Player one like H's Basement and
Ready Player one wasn't like a faithful recreation of the

(31:30):
arcade from something something. It's it's a celebration of everything
that you love. Right when I was growing up, I
didn't just play Star Wars toys. I like Luke Skywalker
teamed up with he Man, teamed up with Lione and
they battled Sirpentor and Mamra and uh, you know whoever

(31:53):
the bad guy from the Centurions was, or Miles may
have from Masks, right, like they all teamed up like
the good guys team up and fought the bad guys
and so with scum and villainy, Like it's important to
me that like it embodies the oasis, it embodies like
the things that we actually love. Like very early on,

(32:14):
I have a klingon batlift hanging behind the bar, and
somebody got into it with me about like you know
that this is a Star Wars bar. Why do you
have a klingon bat lift? Like you clearly, And I
was like, I love it when people like actually met
especially about like one my bar and and and Star Wars.

(32:41):
But it's it's I was like, look, man, here's the thing.
There's the then diagram of what makes somebody a geek.
It's like, okay, cool, Like I don't personally really care
for Star Trek all that much, but like the thing
is that, like, Okay, you love Star Wars and I

(33:02):
love Star Trek and we can't be friends. It's like, no,
but we both love Battlestar Galactica and Firefly and Buffy
and and and and and and so we're going to
pick the one thing that like splits us apart and
focus on that instead of the ninety nine things that
bring us together, you know, And to tie it back

(33:23):
into Star Wars.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
George Lucas was very into Joseph Campbell and myth and
the thing that Joseph Campbell kind of pioneered was the
way that things were always studied was by the differences
as texts believe this, and you know, ancient Chinese believe this,
and that's how they're different. But Joseph Campbell studied the

(33:47):
same the things that the stories that were told from
civilizations that were isolated from each other, and found so
many similarities, like a virgin birth. That's not just Christianity.
There there are multiple virgin birds across multiple religions that
all happened right around the same time. So like there's

(34:11):
something human about that story. And that's what Joseph Campbell studied.
And in a way, that's the idea behind Skimmon Villainy,
where it's just like, hey, like let's stop looking at
your starfleet insignia and my you know, rebel pin or
New Republic pin, and start like celebrating the things that
bring us together, especially like today and community, Like let's

(34:35):
do that.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
And you talk about community, the connecting points, and I
love that it's across fandoms, it's not just star Wars.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
It's all the things like you.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
My dad would introduce me to Star Wars and sci fi,
but my dad was much more a Star Trek guy,
and so I grew up watching all that because of
my dad, but it's not as much my thing. So
I hear what you're saying the connecting point and what
I love is Pete and I have said for a
long time and I I've been doing working kind of
side by side for a bunch of years and then.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Directly together over the last few years.

Speaker 8 (35:06):
But we've set around the galaxy kind of our longer
form interview podcast. When we get guests on, it's what
happens when a couple of Star Wars fans meet for
the first time. What is that conversation? Like the same
thing if we met up in a bar and you
have a T shirt on, You're like Star Wars. I'm like,
hell yeah, Star Wars, and that's where it goes. Like,
that's the conversation. That's the connecting point. Like when you're
a kid, you like food.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
I like food.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Let's be best friends. It's not complicated. It's a chance
to connect and to create community, which is what y'all
have done. I want to ask before we get to it.
We're going to take a break in just a minute.
We're gonna play our news game. But before we do that,
you guys have had so many things going on. You're
in a great spot in LA. There's cons, there's conventions there.

(35:47):
I mean cons aren't conventions? Excuse me?

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Special events?

Speaker 8 (35:51):
What are a couple of highlights for you, celebrities who
have come and been there, Special events that y'all have done,
things that have been a lot to you guys creating
this space, that have just really been highlights of what
you've created and what it's turned into.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I love that question, and I have way too many answers,
so I'll try to make it quick. First answer, Roddenberry
Foundation did a Night with us Wow, which was really cool.
We've hosted premiere parties for Star Trek Prodigy and Star
Trek's Strange New Worlds, which I really love.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Strange Worlds is great. I'm not even a Star Trek fan.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
I love that show though we've done. Maybe my favorite
thing of all time is obviously May the fourth is
a huge day. First, it's the biggest day we've ever had.
Every year, it's our biggest day. But when x n
ninety seven came out, and again, remember I told you
like I would play Star Wars CCG all night with

(36:54):
my friends and have a sleepover. Saturday mornings we watched
Batman the animated series, X Men ninety seven, Spider Man
animating series, and The Tick and that was their Saturday morning.
And so when X Men ninety seven came out, Digital
La and the God I'm forgetting the other guy's name,

(37:22):
it's Chris Riley of Something Experience, and they reached out
and they were like, Hey, Lenore Zan who voices Rogue,
would love to come and do a watch along of
X Men ninety seven at Scum and Villainy. Would you
be up for hosting? I was like hell yeah. So

(37:43):
we did that and we had like a handful of
people show up in costume and stuff. And then the
next week they were like, Hey, we have aj Locasio
who plays Gambit and Lenore is going to come back,
so we're gonna have Gambit in Rogue. Do you want
to host again? And so each week we hosted and
like it got bigger and bigger, and then the show

(38:03):
runner started coming, and then the writers started coming, so
everybody who created that show, every Wednesday at five o'clock,
showed up at Scum and Villainy. All the fans showed
up in cosplay and everything, and it was like this
amazing thing for X Men fans who had been so hungry,

(38:24):
and amazing thing for like the LGBTQ community because they
haven't had something that represented them in the way that
X Men did and x Mend, the original animated series
back then for that community, spoke to them in a
way that no other thing out there was speaking to them.

(38:45):
And so they finally got to have their moment and
unleash and be themselves. And that all happened at Scum
and Villainy. And the reason I mentioned May the fourth
is X Men ninety seven did their rap party at
SKU on that Wednesday night, and it was just for
like the creators and the people who were in the

(39:06):
show and things like that, and we shut down. It's
the only Wednesday we've ever shut down because we do
trivia on Wednesday. But it was like, I couldn't not
do it that Tuesday night, at midnight, on a school night,
on a work night. I was like, let's uh. I
was like, I feel so bad for all the people
who've come for the last nine weeks. They're not going

(39:28):
to get to see the show with each other. Let's
open at midnight when the show drops on Tuesday and
just invite people out and maybe, like I don't know,
maybe like thirty or forty people will show. We had
like two hundred and sixty plus people show. It was
busier than May the fourth at a Tuesday night at midnight.
And it was just magical because for me, as a creator,

(39:53):
you don't ever get to experience the work you make
with the audience it's in tended for, especially on TV right,
and so you just, yeah, you're left with like rotten
tomatoes and reading reviews and there's like so much garbage
on the internet and like contrarians. To experience with the creator,

(40:15):
and especially because there was a lot of drama that
happened with the creator of that show in the midst
of that show. Correct to experience that with the actors
who worked hard to bring it, and the producers and
the directors and the writers and the original creators of
the X Men series who showed up, and the people
who wrote the theme song showed up. Like to experience

(40:36):
that with them week to week was like it was
what the bar was created for, even if I didn't
realize it at the time. And I'll just end it
there because I already talked about this.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
Yeah, well, and I think that's a I think you
hit the nail on the head at the end. And
what I was going to tack on is simply the
fact that it's one thing that you get to do
that with the fans, that's incredible. It's another thing, like
you said, to have of that space and that refuse
representation for the LGBTQ comany connected to that series.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
But the other side of that coin is the creatives.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
The creatives have the opportunity to alongside the fans feel
the love because they're the ones working in the background,
and we forget that, Like we see the thing that
shows up in Disney Plus and it's there and it's
waiting for us, and it's awesome and we're excited, but
we have to stop and go there's writers, there's producers,
there's story editors, there's you know, video editors, and affects

(41:30):
people and so the fact that you created a space,
that you all have created a space that allows those
connections to be made and somebody gets to go, oh yeah,
I got to watch it with a bunch of people
who loved it because they don't know. You hear those
stories about a movie star who sneaks into a theater
and a hoodie and watches their show and watches the
audience lose their mind. That's fine, you're a movie star.

(41:51):
You're probably feeling fine because you got paid. But when
you're on the front line and you're producing and you're
editing and you're writing and you're doing that, it's a
has to be a really special feeling. So I love
that y'all have created a space that creates opportunities like
that that really is incredible.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
It was, Yeah, it was. It was awesome. I mean,
I have one hundred more stories I've been to, like
multiple weddings, like of people who met there, because it's
like if you walk into a any other restaurant or bar,
it's like you don't quite know who the people are
there that you're next sitting next to, but it's scum

(42:28):
and villainy. You're just like, oh, I know you're a nerd,
so like, what's your favorite movie? And like the like
first six Icebreaker questions are already done.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Yeah that's it. Yeah, Well, so.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, can I answer a question because I saw it
pop up in chat. You certainly, Michael wanted to know
what I thought about fanboys. Absolutely loved fanboys, adored fanboys, uh,
in every single way. Anyway.

Speaker 8 (42:57):
Sorry, it's a classic, and we've had Kyle on a
couple of different times and we love talking to him.
Here's what I know right off the bat, We're gonna
have to have you back multiple other times so we
can get into all these other stories.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
You're a part of the team now, it's fine.

Speaker 8 (43:13):
But what we're gonna do right now, we're gonna take
a quick break, and when we get back from that break,
it's going to be time for Around the Galaxy, which
is our weekly Star Wars news show with points and
opinions and all those kinds of things. If you've seen
Around the Horn on ESPN, which is now retired, rip,
you know what we're gonna do. So we're gonna take
a quick break and when we come back, it's gonna

(43:33):
be time to go Around the Galaxy.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Well, it's time to go around the Galaxy again.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
And welcome to the segment.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Where our producer Chalousy clearly the most powerful visits in
the Galaxy Selex this week's most overhyped star war news
from our website, and forces are hell of more gallic life.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Forms to find you.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Mary thanks loudly for points that she gives out, however
she wants this makes no sense to get at all.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
This week's special guests.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You will also join the chaos, pretending to their opinions
matter while Kelsey quietly calculates who lives, who dies.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
And who gets muted.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
And at the end, the so called the Winter get
sixty seconds of uninterrupted airtime because that's what the show needs.
More talking, So hold on to your motivator and race
for I bet this is around the Galaxy?

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Do I have to say it?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Do I really?

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Roger?

Speaker 6 (44:36):
Roger, Well, welcome back here we are. It is time
for around the Galaxy. Once I put the faces in
the right places on the screen. Kelsey, how's it going?
You minus tent already?

Speaker 7 (44:55):
You told me you were going to hit Clinker and
then you did it.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
Like it's only fair.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
It starts out down because they can't follow his own instructions.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
That's that's all right, I can I can live with that.

Speaker 7 (45:08):
See, you dig yourself in a hole every week, like
you think you learn you think you would learn.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
But I win a remarkably large number of times, considering
how how deep I guess I kind of.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Like you a little bit, or else I want to
be here.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
I appreciate it so well.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
I will allow you to start, because like you're already
in a hole, So I'm gonna go.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I'll set the tone for everybody here.

Speaker 7 (45:33):
Oh yeah, all right. So after you and McGregor had
fans speculating about an Obi Wan cameo in Asoka season two,
Lucasfilm came out and denied it. Do you buy this
or do you think they're trying to keep the appearance
of surprise.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
I don't buy it for a second. I think he's
definitely in there. It's sort of like when when Liam
Neeson just happened to have his lightsaber on the desk
when he was on with Jimmy Fallon. I think I
think what happened was there was some sort of I
didn't hear the exact quote at I think it was
Boston Fan Expo and I didn't hear the exact quote,

(46:10):
but I think it was one of those things where
Lucas Will was like, no, don't say that, you know,
I'm supposed to say that yet, and so they covered
it up. But I one hundred percent believe. And let's
hang out to this clip because when I'm wrong, we
can play it for me. But I believe that Ewan
McGregor will be in Ahsoka in one way or another.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
What do you think, jac.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Okay, this is around the horn cell, right, So I've
got a limited time. Yes, I think that there's a
good chance he is. I think that because it's you
and McGregor. The famous Obi Wan Kenobi quote is from
a certain point of view, So from a certain point
of view, perhaps the ghost of Obi Wan Kenoby is
in Ahsoka and he himself is not so plausible deniability

(46:55):
for you and McGregor. Lucasfilm wins and Ewan McGregor wins.
I also think that. And I'm gonna get in trouble here.
I think Ahsoka Season two needs all the help it
can get, So why not bring back Ewan McGregor and
and uh, we know Hayden Christensen is going to be
in it. That combination is a winning combination. You know

(47:16):
those guys are great friends, Ewen. When Ewan had his
star put in the Hollywood Walk of Fame and again.
Skywalker aka Hayden Christensen was the person who gave the
speech at his star ceremony, So yeah, why not? Why
wouldn't you do it? And you know that Ewan loves
playing obi Wan. He's the guy that always his game

(47:39):
to come back at this point, So yeah, I'm gonna
go with Ewen and not with the corporate empire of
Lucasfilm Disney.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
All right, Nick, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (47:52):
All right?

Speaker 8 (47:53):
So I'm gonna take the contrary position here. No, not
in a Soca season two, But there's a bigger plan here.
There's an obi Wan Kenoby season two that's going to come.
And we've said it on this show before. It's the
flag that I've carried. It's like printing money for people
our age. And even if the Kenobi show the first
season was not your favorite thing, there's a lot of

(48:14):
good stuff in there. If you go back and rewatch it,
I think there's a lot of good stuff. And like
JC said, this is the guy that's always ready to
come back, So let's give him something to actually do.
If you're gonna spend that money, we're not going to
spend it on a cameo or a flashback or a
forced ghost into Soca season two, and if they do that, great,
that's a tease. I think there's more to do there,
and I think the opportunity to do one more round

(48:37):
of Kenobi in that Kenobi show.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
That's what we're heading towards.

Speaker 8 (48:41):
Because if you want to unify some folks, if you
want to draw the olds like us and some of
the younger folks back together, get somebody who is mainline,
mainstream marketable, like Ian McGregor, do that Obi Wan season two.
That's what I'm calling.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
All right, I'm going to stick with you, Nick.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
So.

Speaker 7 (49:00):
John Boyega revealed that after reading the script for Force Awakens,
he saw his character following a similar path with Ray
and as Obi Wan and Anakin. While that never materialized,
what do you think about his idea? We all saw that.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
It was on the poster. We've got a guy with
the lightsaber.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
The seeds were planted, and somewhere along the line, stories changed,
ideas changed, things were not the same. We want Jedi fin,
we want you know, we get the stuff in the
Lego special where he's being trained. It's sewn throughout all
three of the sequel movies. He's not wrong and he's
on the inside. He gets to see scripts, he gets

(49:40):
to hear stories. Chris is in the chat. I'm gonna
give Chris a shout out. Don't get me started, Chris.
I'm on your side of here, Jedi Finn, and so
I think he's right. I think there was something there,
and I think things changed. And we know that that
happens in Hollywood. We know that happens in movies and
stories and all that kind of stuff. But Jedi Finn,
I feel you, I want you, and I hope that

(50:02):
going forward in the new Ray movie and the things
that we haven't heard announced yet, I hope there's something
that's planted in there that's going to bring some of
that full circle.

Speaker 7 (50:11):
Pete, do you have any thoughts that are going to
infuriate Chris.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
No.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
I'm with Nick on this and with Chris. I still
feel like you guys all know my feelings about the
Rise of Skywalker and how it was two hours and
fifteen minutes of missed opportunities, and one of them was
certainly doing more with Finn and if Boega saw something
and thought something different in the script, as Nick said,

(50:36):
I totally agree with him, and yeah, I want to
see if they're going to bring Ray back, they got
to bring back Ben as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
So, Jase, what do you think.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
I'm going to go contrarian on this. I think Finn
as a Jedi is a terrible idea. I think the
opportunity with Finn that was squandered is the fact that
he was a stormtrooper who who went through the indoctrination,
whose heart was so good. He was such a good
human being. He didn't need to be a Jedi to
break the doctrination. It was his heart. It was who

(51:10):
he was as a human, as a citizen of the
galaxy that caused him to break that indoctrination not want
to see his friends die. And I think as soon
as you slap a Jedi label on it, similar to
Sabine Wren in Ahsoka, you crush the thing that made
them a character. Not every character in Star Wars needs

(51:30):
to be a Jedi. It just doesn't need to happen,
and it always does happen. Why do you keep going
there because you're trying to sell a lightsaber toy to
a kid at Target. Don't stick with the lore, stick
with the idea that like Han Solo's everybody's favorite character,
not Luke Skywalker. Han Solo never picked up a lightsaber,
not true an Empire strikes back. He did, but that

(51:51):
doesn't really count, you know what I mean? Like, no, no,
Finn doesn't need to be a Jedi. Give Finn his
own path. Let him be the hero that he was
written should have been written to be. Also, just on
a side note, was episode seven and episode nine actually
shot with a script or did they just kind of
go with their gut day after day? Because that's kind

(52:12):
of what it feels like.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Stick. I love that. Yeah, my goodness, it came with
the fire. All right, I'm going to go back to you, Pete,
because we're talking about your favorite person now. After a
lengthy legal battle, Gina Carano has reached a settlement with Lucasfilm.
Both parties have hinted at possible future collaborations, But do

(52:38):
you buy that she'll actually come back to the franchise.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
I can't think of a more awkward first day of
work than Gina Kurana walking on the set. Hey guys, listen,
I I My bigger issue with the whole thing is
the fact that they we knew that. I mean, Nick
and I said when the thing first hit, Disney will
settle because it's a lot easier than going through all

(53:03):
the things that go with it. I think the problem is,
and I think it's reflective of all the weird stuff
going on politically in this country right now, is it's
just sort of turning a blind eye to just how
horrible somebody can be with their opinions and the way
they put things and the way they position things and
the way they're disrespectful. It's easier to turn a blind eye.

(53:27):
And again, it's a win for the corporate world right that.
I don't know how much the settlement's for and what
all the details are going to end up being, but
Disney decided it was easier to just sort of say, yeah,
I guess it's not as bad as we thought and
move on. And that's that's really what's wrong with where
we are as a country today. And so that's the
deeper thought on it. And she's not coming back. We're

(53:50):
not going to see her in Star Wars at anything.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
I don't think, Nick, what do you think?

Speaker 8 (53:55):
So Pete's exactly right? Awkward first day back at work.
This is is like when you're a kid and you
get your parents let you act of an actual birthday party,
and you get to invite your friends from school. But
there's that one kid that your parents like you have
to invite them too, and you're like, but I don't
want to, we're not really friends, but you have to
because it's your class and it's the one kid. It's

(54:17):
the one kid thing. Here's what I think they're gonna
do if something happens. And I don't think something's gonna happen.
I think this is a way for them to kind
of all make a statement, move on, you know, Oh,
we'll look at it in the future, and the future
never happens and people forget. But if it is, this
character is going to show up in some sort of

(54:38):
animation something and she's going to get to do the
voice for it, and everybody get to go, yeah, hey,
we gave you a chance, and you got We said
we'd do something. We didn't tell you what it was,
but we told you we'd do something. That's what I
think it could be.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
They see.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
Do you have any thoughts there.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
With the exception of perhaps animation, I'm going to say
that there's no way Gena's coming back. The quickest way
to get this all to go away is just to
settle it and bury it. I imagine part of the
settlement is both sides coming out being like, yeah, we
might work again together. No no, no, no, no, this
is Hollywood. That's not happening. That was part of the

(55:14):
agreed upon things that like everybody's going to apologize to
everybody and we're all gonna move on with our lives.
I also just don't think even from any sort of
world like we're never getting Rangers of the New Republic,
We're not gonna get Mando season four, Like none of
that stuff is happening. We're gonna wrap that whole thing

(55:36):
up with Mando and Grogu next year, and that storyline,
I think is gonna be pretty much done. I don't
think we're gonna be revisiting any of those little offshoot stuff.
Maybe in Ahsoka a little bit like beloved people like
Carsoneva will make an appearance, But there's no way Gina

(55:57):
Carano showing up in Ahsoka, Like it doesn't even make
sense again law wise, like not even politically. So yeah, no,
she's she's not coming back. I'll make the exception, like
Nick said, maybe she'll voice an animation character in Star
Wars what if or whatever at some point?

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Yeah? Nice, All right, Pete, I'm actually going back to
you just because I wrote one of my longest questions
ever and we know how well. Yeah so. An excerpt
from the upcoming reference book, The Mandalorian Visual Guide confirms
when Dinjarren was orphaned. The book states his real name

(56:38):
is Dinjarn in a tragic day during the Clone Wars
on his homeworld of Avetina. Question mark, I don't know.
The Clone still haunts him.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (56:50):
It was the day his parents were killed by battle
droid fire, the day he nearly met his same fate,
the day Mandalorians came rocketing in to rescue him, the
day he became a What do you think about this
addition to the lore.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
I think I'd rather have seen it on screen than
read it in a behind the scenes book. Yeah, no,
I think it's it's pretty cool. It's a cool story.
I you know, if it's gonna I as you can tell.
I mean, I'm a big fan. I can't see that.
I'm a big fan of Battle Droids. I'm a big
fan of the Clone Wars era tech. So I would

(57:25):
have loved to have seen more of that. I think
it's it's a cool part of the story. I just
hope it's not something that you need to know before
you go into Mandalorian and Grogu in the spring. But
I think we know enough about that story, so it's cool.
It's cool backstory. But again I would have rather have
seen it maybe, But you know, so interesting how Star

(57:47):
Wars characters they continue to live through through lore as
as j C has referenced a number of times in
these it's these backstories that either we make up as
fans or that we we get the details on. So it's,
like I said, basic answers, it's pretty cool, but it
will be cool to see it.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
So and I'm going to go to the low guy
next to JC your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
I mean, it's cannon until Jon Favreau decides he wants
to do something else, and then that becomes the job
of Pablo Hidalgo to rewrite why that book was wrong
from a certain point of view. Again, you know, Star
Wars invented, invented ret conning, So like you're saying that,

(58:33):
but like it might be written in that book because
it's going to show up in Mandoin Grogu and we're
going to have the chance to see it, so I
don't know. I mean, there's so much stuff in books
and comics, like why does C three po have a
Red Arm by the thirty six issue comics series, Like
it's so hard to keep up with all of it.

(58:55):
That like, as long as the stuff that I'm watching
is self contained, like I know, like it all makes sense.
I don't have to go buy the comic book to
read about the Red Arm. I'm I'm cool with any
of it. Great cool backstory, thank you. We'll probably get
seventeen comic books from it, and maybe Pete if we're lucky,

(59:20):
we'll get a Tales of Mandolor similar to like Tales
of the Jedi, which those series have been wonderful, and
we'll get to see it in animation in a little way,
which is people are more forgiving of that it's cheaper.
And the guy read Richards whose name I'm blanking on,

(59:46):
Pedro Pascal Pedro Pescal is used to just doing voiceover
work for that character anyway, so he's doing it in
his bathrobe from his basement anyway. What difference does it
make if it's animation or if it's light.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Action and they anybody need to tell him which one?

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
It is?

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
Just here to read these lines. Send him in by Freddy.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Okay, I was.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Going to give you a couple extra points. How did
you forget Pedro Pascal like he's everywhere?

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
It's crazy, man.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
I knew it was a pe all right?

Speaker 7 (01:00:20):
Then you want to take us home.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
On this one? I will try. And this is the part.

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
Somebody can get the fan card revoked button ready, because
I did tell you that this is the first week
in a couple of weeks that I didn't read all
of the news stories as we got into this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Didn't we see this already? This was in the Mandalorian.

Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
There's the part where there's the bunker and the droids
and the guy lands and he picks up the kid
and he flies away. We've seen this. Why are we
talking about creating this again? Do we need a fuller
version of it? Do we need at this point? And
it's not at this point because we've only had kind
of this one thing, But is this Batman like? Are
we showing every time Martha Wayne and Thomas Wayne are

(01:00:57):
killed again and the pearls break and the gun off
and there's a kid that's scared, like, how many times
do we have to do this? Can we say one time?
Can we understand that one flashback that was in Mandalorian
season one or two?

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
That's enough. I'm good. We don't need anything else from that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:13):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:01:13):
It doesn't have to be a key factor in the
movie next Spring, which I'm humped about. Let's just keep moving,
let's keep going, let's create lore for other things. That's
all there, All right, all right, all fair points.

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
But my fellow sports and spart I guess a Star
Wars fan kicked your guys's asses. So j the war
right now?

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
All right, I got sixty seconds. So here's what I'm
gonna say. Throughout the course of this podcast. You've heard
me dump on, veiled some other Star Wars things that
I don't enjoy. But the wonderful thing about Star Wars
today is that there's not just six hours of it anymore.
There's hundreds of hours of Star Wars, including Clone Wars, animation, visions,

(01:01:59):
all of this stuff. So if I don't like a
particular thing of Star Wars, I'm not saying that you're
wrong for liking it, and I'm not attacking you for
liking I think it's wonderful that there is Star Wars
that is still being made that speaks to old guys
like us, and that there's Star Wars that's being made
that speaks to you, that you get to see a
different thing in it than what we see, and I

(01:02:20):
think that's okay. I don't think as a sports guy,
there are fans of sports, and fans are allowed to
be critical of a team, Like if you're a New
York Mets fan and you're not allowed to be critical
of the New York Mets, like what are you? You're
a cheerleader, and it's okay. There are Mets cheerleaders and
there are Mets fans, and I think that's okay. And

(01:02:43):
I think in Star Wars we need to get away
from the fact that everybody needs to be a cheerleader.
People are allowed to have opinions about Star Wars. People
are allowed to think that not all Star Wars is good.
Star Wars similarly to like gummy bears. I love gummy
bears more than anything, but you get to a certain
point and you've eaten enough gummy bears and they make
you sick. So I would rather have more quality Star

(01:03:05):
Wars put out there even if I don't like it.
There's something for everyone at this point, I think that's
what's important.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Well, jac we didn't get into it enough at the beginning.
Where can people keep up with you and scum and
villainy and all the cool stuff that you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
I am J C. Reifenberg on Instagram. I never post.
I rarely post Star Wars stuff. I post I'm playing
in adult League baseball again, So like, if you want
to see me, take pictures of my cleats and get
my batting average, follow me on Instagram Scum and villain
and Cantina, or right into Pot of Rebellion and follow

(01:03:45):
Pot of Rebellion on Instagram. There's nothing I love more
than reading people talk about how much they love my
fact checks on that, because that's the ten minutes a
week I get to geek out about, like deep deep
Star Wars lore, which I love.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
That's awesome. Well, Jase, thank you. You said it yourself,
and we agree. We sound like we have a ton
more to talk to talk about, so we would love
to have you back on sometime. We'll keep in touch,
for sure. We loved having you, We love hearing the stories,
and you know, it's definitely if you if you've never

(01:04:22):
heard of Scummon Villainy, go to the website check it out.
And if you're like me and Nick and Kelsey, you
got to go right. So I gotta get there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Are you guys coming out for Star Wars celebration? Yeah,
I mean that's the case, and there is. I can't
say it yet, but by twenty twenty seven, there's going
to be.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Nice, something cool. Bry Early on the show. Brian Early
in the show, he called it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
He said, I imagine the Canteen has events booked every
night during Star Wars celebration in La.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
Already stuff is that's going to go?

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Oh, it's gonna be so cool. I'll tell you one
thing I really want to do. I want to do
and it's something I wanted to do forever. And I'm
sorry I told you this. We're never gonna get No,
We're great. I want to do and I've always wanted
to do it. I want to do Star Wars Olympics,
and I want to do like different events, so like
bust out the old N sixty four and do like

(01:05:24):
best lap times on racer. I want to do like
I want to do like death star corn Hole. I
want to do like all of these, like like the Olympics,
but it's all Star Wars type games and like we
track and we have like trophies and medals to give away.

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
We would like to go ahead and offer our services
as the official podcast sponsors.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Wars Olympics.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
I produced literally that on the show, like Star Wars. Yes, yes,
I did so. I have some ideas for you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
Yeah, all right, yeah, let's I mean, that's something that
I'm dying to do. And there's gonna be again. I
can't say it, but like there will be plenty of
scumming villainy for everybody by seven.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
I love it. That's awesome, Nick. What do we have
going on next week? Do we know yet?

Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Do we we?

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
We are working on some things. We are efforting, as
we like to say. We've got some stuff in the works.
It's you know, TBD t b A. We're gonna announce
it soon. It might be Star Wars sports Ball Draft,
might be the Star Wars sports Ball Draft, it might not.
We We've got some things going. I do want to
throw out one. I guess this is Amya Kulpa. Andrew

(01:06:43):
has been in the chat all night. Our friend Andrew
who lives in Australia a couple of weeks ago. Actually
it's probably been a month now because I'm a slacker.
Andrew won the Ziggi Stormtrooper stickers that I'm going to
send him in the mail to Australia. Andrew, I haven't
done that yet, and that's my fault, but those are coming.
This is my way of calling myself and holding myself

(01:07:05):
accountable to say, I've got your stickers. I'm going to
get them in the mail in the next couple of days.
Heading your way down Under where it's already like two
weeks from now.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Time is crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:07:14):
I don't know how it works, but I've got your
stickers and I haven't forgotten nice.

Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Well, great, well we are. We are going to wrap
things up for tonight. We appreciate everybody hanging out and
if you're listening again on the replane next week, I
hope it was a good weekend. But we're just we're
we're really excited that you join us every week and
next week we'll have some more fun. Go check out
JC and Scummon Villainine. If you're in LA and you

(01:07:39):
haven't been there yet, what are you waiting for go
go check it out. So Nick, as we say every
single week, may the Force be with you always.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Just run around.

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
Friends've been a homework by friends. Don't look at me
in your dreams. Just one more song friend, The night
a long friend, the nights get shorter.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
It seems just one more rhyme friend.

Speaker 9 (01:08:17):
Yes, it's a crime friend, but you know time, friend.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Time can fly. So it's good night friend, good night.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
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