Paul Scheer on Comedy, Kids and His Cancelled Star Wars Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And also let's just like call spade a spade to
a certain degree, like Star Wars has built this amazing legacy,
but in those first couple of years, it was still
just a goofy sci fi like. It wasn't you know,
it wasn't high art, it wasn't serious, it wasn't any
of the things that we ascribe to it.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Now you understand, Galley, Welcome to Around the Galaxy, the

(00:48):
Star Wars fan talk show.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I am your host, Pete Fltzer, and as always, joining
me on this journey is my co pilot, Nick Milke.
Every week we bring you the stories, the interviews, and
the conversations with the people who share our passion and
yours for that galaxy far far away from the creators
and actors, to the fans and insiders who make the
Star Wars universe feel a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
More like home.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
And this week we are thrilled to have a guest
who's about as versatile as they come. He's an actor,
he's a comedian, a writer, and a Star Wars super fan,
mister Paul Sheer. Now you might know Paul from his
hit shows like The League and Black Monday, or maybe
you know him from his podcast called How Did This
Get Made, where he dives into some of Hollywood's most

(01:31):
unforgettable films, which may be unforgettable for all the wrong reasons.
But today Paul is here to talk about all things
Star Wars. We're going to dive into what it's like
to share the Star Wars galaxy with the next generation
as Paul shares some incredible stories about his introduction of
Star Wars to his own kids. He opens up about

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those special moments of passing on this epic adventure to
a new audience and what it's really like to be
a Star Wars dad. So if you're a parent or
just a fan of sharing the magic, you're really gonna
connect with this part of the show. And for an
exclusive twist, Paul also takes us behind the scenes of
a project he worked on called After Darth, a Star

(02:14):
Wars parody series packed with comedy gold. It was set
to stream before The Force Weakens, and it ultimately was
sidelined by Lucasfilm, but Paul gives us a glimpse into
what could have been with plenty of laughs along the way. Plus,
he shares a little bit of information about his new
book called a joyful recollection of Trauma, a dive into
his career and life in comedy, packed with humor and heart.

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conversation with Paul Sheer. So sit back, relax, and enjoy

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this journey around the Galaxy.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
We are so excited to welcome Paul Sheer to Around
the Galaxy. Paul, Welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I am thrilled to be here and excited to just
geek out on Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
You are a huge Star Wars fan. I know that
from especially listening to how did this get made? Those
kinds of things have popped up over the years. But
you have also been involved, and we're going to talk
about this in a little bit in Star Wars in
a lot of other fun ways. So thank you again
for being here to do this.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, let me tease it and say that I am
a part of a Star Wars project that no one
will ever.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
I had you tease it that way. That's a question
we have ready to ask about.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
All right.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Right, that's like the best good news bad news thing
you can ever just sort of say, I got to
do something cool. The bad news is you don't get
to see it. I'm so you will never see it. Well, Paul,
maybe let's start by letting people know a little bit
about your Star Wars origin story, like when did Star
Wars become a part of your life, and like any early.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Memories you might have of seeing the saga. Oh absolutely,
I mean Star Wars has been with me since I
was born. I mean, and I know that that sounds
like a crazy thing, but it was the first movie
I ever saw. It was a it was a double
drive in a double feature with the drive in. It

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was The Jerk and Star Wars. And I remember my
parents snuck me in to the theater to see or
to the drive in. I had to have a blanket
over me because the Jerk was al rated to see
Star Wars. And you know I was born and ten
seventy six, so you know, that culture of Star Wars

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was so ever present in my youth. It was just
it was the blockbuster. It was the thing that we
sat around and we talked about. You know, I remember
playing kickball in the school parking lot and talking about,
Oh I heard Darth Vader fell into lava, right, that
was that was what we had heard, you know, And

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that and this is before anything else, you know. So
for me, I didn't collect J Joe's, I didn't collect
he Man. I collect Star Wars figures. If I did
go to my report card, I could get the rank
or pit Monster, you know, like all all everything was
Star Wars, from bed sheets to lunchboxes to Halloween costume.
So yeah, that that is that's my background, that's my

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ind There's no defining moment more than it was all
the moments.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I'd love that that comment. You made because we're of
you know, we're of age bracket.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'm a little bit older.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
But that memory that you just sparked in me of
like sort of filling in our own blanks talking about
things we heard. I mean, I remember after seeing Star Wars,
my dad take me.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I can.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I can still see like the candy shop we were
standing in, and my dad is like, what do you
think the Clone Wars were? And I was like, I
don't know, but we like when we got together with
our friends, were we you know, have lightsaber battles with
wrapping paper rolls and whatnot. We were making up our
own Star Wars and that that is something that's almost
almost non existent now because all the backstory is there.

(06:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Look, I think you know, whenever you get to something
that's so rich and dense as Star Wars, as far
as like the universe, you know, you're always gonna have
these books. I mean, I grew up, you know, walking
down that aisle and like Walden books, you know, seeing
these Star Wars books, these unofficial books of canon, right
or or maybe were they not out yet? I don't know.

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I feel like there's always like the things that were
filled and I remember being so excited when the sequel
to a Return of the Jedi came out in book
form and I'm I'm gonna you're gonna notice this very quickly,
terrible with names and but but the truth is I'm there.
I just don't forget all the names. But like Air
to the Empire, is that what it was called the

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first one? Yeah? Yeah, you know when that first came out,
that was like, oh my gosh. I think whenever you
have something that's so beloved like this, you have fans
like all of us who want to answer those questions.
It's like, oh, I want to tell the stories about
the colon Wars. I want to tell the stories about
this because someone said it for a long time, I
can talk about it now. I really wanted to do

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a like a series in in the in the Disney
Star Wars universe that was really about like an anthology
series called Tales from Java's Palace based on that book
that I like this idea of, like, oh, we could
just do like a story of the week. So I
think as a fan, we find these little nooks and
crevices that we think, oh, that's interesting. I'd like to

(08:04):
explore that when we go there. You know, you get
these things like Worldue one or you get you know,
even the Han solo movie. Obviously it's a major character.
But I think it's fine. Are we going to enjoy
everybody's version of it? No? But it's that weird thing
of we have ownership over it because we love it,
and yet when someone else who also loves it, who's

(08:26):
trying to fill in the blank, we just don't love
the way that they're doing it. It's a tricky balance.
I think you have to like the way I kind
of think of Star Wars now is I love the restaurant,
and I may not love every dish, but I can
you know, respect it and them them there. You know,
I'm not going to not go to that restaurant, you know.

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And that's I think that's the way any like any
fantom that is this expansive has to be.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
I want to bring it up also from your childhood
and something that is actually so fun. You were featured
pretty prominently in the Disturbances in or Disturbance in the
Forest documentary that was put together by Kyle and Omen
and a bunch of other folks. Kyle's been on the
show with us a bunch of times a great guy
talk about certainly talk about the Holiday Special, because one

(09:18):
of your things with how does this get made is
you know, bad, bad movies, bad things. But being in
that documentary like it was such a unique and that
documentary is fantastic and if anybody listening to this has
not seen it, I highly recommend you check it out.
But you were in that talk about the Holiday Special,
talk about you know what it meant to you seeing
it as a kid, but then your desire to be
involved in that project.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, well, you know, so I was, you know, for
lack of a better term, a nerdy kid, went to
a lot of Star Trek conventions. And I grew up
in New York, so Star Trek conventions came about once
a year. It was in New York City at the
Penta Hotel or one of these hotels, and you'd go
there and one of the cool things that they had
there besides a lot of Star Trek memorabilia. And again

(10:00):
we're talking about a time when this is a little
bit more novel. It's not like, you know, it's a
floor of a hotel or some of the conference area.
They'd had these videotapes and I remember that. That's when
I first got the videotape to the Star Wars Holiday
Special because I had not had any memory of it
when it came out, you know, I don't you know.
It was on once and that was it. And I
remember the back of the VHS said, if I had

(10:22):
a hammer and time, I'd go and destroy every single
copy of this George Lucas and I was like, I
got to get this and I watched it. It was
completely blown, well, no, completely bored. Honestly, when I first
I was like, this is boring. The Bubba Fect cartoon
is cool, and I forgot about it. Years later I've

(10:43):
rediscovered it, and I had made this documentary for Disney
Plus and Marvel. It was kind of about Brute Force,
this kind of a failed comic book series that was
reverse engineered. It was basically like a toy line, and
first that well, I wanna be toy line that was

(11:04):
going to launch through Marvel Books, but they never launched.
Long story short, I had made some friends and inroads
at Lucasfilm because I edited my documentary at Skywalker Ranch,
which was truly one of the best things, and I
got into conversations with them about doing a documentary about
the Christmas Special the same way that I kind of

(11:24):
tackled this one, like having fun with it and then
also paying you know, paying respect to it, and then
at the same time building a new Star Wars special.
And it was going great until Radio silence. And the
thing I learned very quickly was I think that Star
Wars or the powers that be in the Star Wars

(11:46):
universe don't like humor and comedy. And it's a very
and you're going to see with me throughout this conversation
that that comes up a handful of times. They are
afraid of it, you know. So I think what they
did was they wound up shifting focus to do like
a Lego Holiday special that kind of poke. Lego is

(12:07):
the outlier, right Lego. They get to do whatever they
want and Lego and that's awesome. And if we don't
get to it in a bit, I want to come
back to Lego Star Wars too. Uh So I left
really down trodden because I was like, oh, I really
felt that I could tell this story of the Holiday
special and it was like, ah, sucks, and I will
never be able to do that. And then here comes Kyle,

(12:28):
my friend, great guy who then tells me, I haven't
been working on this, and not only he's been working
on it, but what he found, and he kind of
showed me some of this research that he had. I
just leaned in so excited to be a part of
it because it had become something that I felt like
people didn't know the full story. And I think anyone

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who works in television and film they know that, like
it's very hard to make something good, and especially at
that time in CBS and trying to make this like special.
So I just I love that to do it. I
love that got to talk about it. I learned a
lot and just got to show something that you can
love and also think something's terrible at the same time.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Absolutely, And I think part of what was so fascinating
about that documentary. And I know that you you know,
talked about this as well. Obviously we all as Star
Wars fans talk about you know, the disavowed you know,
George Lucas disavowing it never wants to show it again
the quote like you said, but when you look at
what it is, and like the conversations about variety shows
in the seventies and what you know populated that thing

(13:31):
going from the Donnie and Marie, you know, Star Wars
bit to what this became like.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
To me, that was as fascinating as anything else.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Just that inside knowledge of like what TV was and
how we're trying, you know, or at that time, like
Disney or Star Wars was doing. Is like they were
trying to keep things going because we didn't know when
the next movie was going to come.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
And also let's just like call Spata spade to a
certain degree, like Star Wars has built this amazing legacy,
but in those first couple of years, it was still
just a goofy sci fi like it wasn't you know,
it wasn't high art, it wasn't serious, it wasn't any
of the things that we ascribe to it now, you know.

(14:10):
So it's a very fitting kind of you know, it's campy.
I mean Star Wars, the first Star Wars is campy
to a certain degree. Sure, great stuff in it, Like
and I love it, and I'm not I'm not here
to you know, but it's like but yeah, like it's
it's only in retrospect, Like I don't think anyone in
the in the moment was like, well, this is not

(14:31):
the film that I saw it feels very much like
the film, like it's not great, but it's not like
it's not so wildly wrong either. You know, it's it's
playing into Diana Ross is playing into Elo and all
this weird stuff. I mean, the variety show elements are
gonna make it wonky, but you know, but I think
they're trying to do something there.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
A portion of the fan base has started to take
it way too seriously, and I think that that you.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Know, you you we will.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
First of all, it's kind of this concept that you
will never relive that moment when you were eight, twelve, fifteen,
five years old when you first saw Star Wars. That's gone,
that will never happen again. It was a magic moment.
You got it and you should love it. But when
you start to when you start to take it too
seriously and start to pull away from other people who
are having those magic moments with Star Wars because it

(15:20):
doesn't fit your your sort of perfect picture of what
you think it should be, that's where the challenge is.
I mean, I have a twelve year old son and
his entree to Star Wars was Clone Wars, and that's awesome.
He doesn't he still doesn't have the attention span to
sit through a new Hope. It's just it's because it's
a seventies movie, right, so it feels completely different. So
but the magic is still coming out in different spots. Well, Pete,

(15:43):
let me let me blow your well, I don't know
I'm gonna blow your mind. But let me tell you
this story because I've been excited to talk to you
because I have two sons. I have an eight year
old and a ten year old. My eight year old
currently is obsessed with Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Obsessed. He's going as Boba fettea Halloween. And let me
tell you how he got into Star Wars through Lego
Star Wars the Skywalker Saga. He played through that and
he became he knows all the ins and outs from

(16:16):
the Lego Star Wars game right. And then he started
playing Battlefront and now he's like, oh, I want to
watch this, I want to watch I've been obsessed with
the game. He knows all the plot points. But he's
also it's been done through comedy too. And I'm very
proud of myself because as a parent, I didn't try

(16:39):
to control the experience, right. I saw him asking me
questions about stuff. Wait, a second, what about this? What
about that? And I'm like, well yeah, and I didn't
try to way, Well, you have to watch the movies
to enjoy it. It's like you're enjoying the Lego Star
Wars game if that's your entry point to it. He
is obsessed with Star Wars. But he came in that way.
My other son, when I showed it to him, I

(17:01):
went the other way, which was I'm going to show him.
I'm going to show him Phantom Menace and go forward.
And what I realized with that and this is like
when he was younger, was guess who he loves? George
our Banks Banks loves Jarge jar Binks. And I was like,
and it made me look at that movie completely differently. Right,

(17:22):
it's I and I think you're right, like this idea,
like get it, how you get it? And I'm watching
my kids who have no conception of how they're supposed
to consume this thing. It's all encompassing, it's all over
the place, and just be excited that they're there. And
that's and and you know there's I've read books like
well this is the way you show it, and this
is this and this is that you know I'm going

(17:43):
to show them the way I think, Like they like
my oldest son and my youngest son, they can agree
that they both like Darth Maul. So instead of trying
to show them Clone Wars, I'm going to show them
the Darth Maul Clone Wars episode that they want to
watch and what it's like, a two parter or the
train robbery one. It's like, great, that's what we're going
to watch. And you know I and I've found a
relief in that, like, oh, this is wonderful, Like great,

(18:05):
I don't have to control it. Let them get it,
and they'll they'll figure out if they like it or not.
Like no order is going to make a good no
sequence of events or this or that or completionist history
is going to make it better for them. They'll find
what they want to find one they want to find
it how they want to find it.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
And the other thing that's really cool about that is that.
And I'm with you because when the very first episode
I ever did for my podcast, I did a pilot
episode and I did it with my daughter, who at
the time was nine years old. And we have the
ten question segment, which we're going to get with you
in a couple in a little bit way. But one
of the questions used to be and I took it
off because it's such a in times negative question, you say,

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who's your least favorite charger, banks, ewoks or porks?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Right, I looked at all three trilogies.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Which was that yeah, people argued about and her response was, well,
that's not fair. I like them all And I was like, well, damn,
I've been looking at this wrong the whole time. Yeah, yeah,
super eye opening.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Well, I was going to ask you, Paul, because we
have talked about, you know, the holiday special which has
lots of weird, crazy stuff in it. We've talked about,
you know, the stuff that you do with your two
amazing co hosts, June and Jason on how did this
get made? If anybody's not listening to that such, I mean,
what do you doing with your life? I've been that
show pretty much since y'all started it, and I love listening.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
To y'all watch bad movies and you talk about them.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
One of the things that I've noticed as we go
throughout it, and a lot of times you'll ask at
the end of the episode, you know, each of you
will say, you know, would you recommend this or not.
But as you're watching these things that are so just
terribly bad and awful and silly and whatever they are
a lot of times as you're discussing it, by the
end you're like, it is terrible, but I like it,
Like it becomes it becomes that thing that you know,

(19:43):
it's just fun. And that's kind of what we're talking
about through this whole thing with Star Wars is it's
supposed to be fun. Movies are supposed to be fun.
What are some other things besides the holiday special and
for you in Star Wars that are just kind of
so bad that they're fun. What are some other things
can you put your finger on one or two?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
You know it's funny because I I mean in Star Wars,
I really do. I've gotten a different respect for things,
you know, Like, like again, watching it through my kid's eyes,
I'm I'm on PiZZ page where I'm like, I don't
necessarily they go like, oh, I don't like this. There
are things that I feel like, as a fan, I'm

(20:22):
bummed out about, like and I'll tell you like this
is where I'm a bummed out. I love the idea
of Book of Boba Fett, and I thought what they
were going to do was going to be very similar
to what the penguin is doing, which is kind of
doing like a Sopranos on tattooine, like, and I feel
like they kind of just rushed it or cheated it, right,
And I was like, Oh, there's not I feel like

(20:44):
sometimes there's not a confidence in what they're trying to do.
And when there is a confidence, you get something that's
really exciting, like and or is great, right, but it's
fully in its own little pocket, right, It's it's not
trying to check a bunch of boxes. You know. One

(21:05):
of my biggest regrets, or not my biggest regret, one
of my things I'm I'm most upset about, is like, oh,
we'll never see the Phil Lord Chris Miller han solo film. Right.
These guys have a track record for making great projects,
you know, a universally just respected creatively exciting projects, and

(21:29):
they get kind of pushed off this movie because it's different,
not what we expected, not what we wanted, right, And
and that's a damn shame because you know, as they
go to win their Oscars for Spider Man, you go like, oh,
maybe they made it they made it, you know, so
that so I don't know if I have like, oh

(21:49):
this is lame or this is bad. I really don't
look at Star Wars with those eyes. Yeah, I just
don't like I like it's funny because I'm trying to
think like, oh what could I rip on? And and
uh and I don't know if I I mean, I
am sorry to have like a lack of an answer
for you. But it's like, you know, I think that
so good it's bad and I'm sure I can have

(22:11):
people here challenged me that it was great. Is Droid's
the TV Show? But Droid's the TV Show was a
real misfire. You know. I think if I went back
and watched like the Ewok specials, I love them though
as a kid, I have every watched them in forever.
You know, it's you know, I just I feel like
I I'm all in, you know, I am all in,

(22:32):
you know, and that is it's a fun place to be.
I think it's better to approach it that way, like,
you know, how did this get made? We talk about
bad movies, but we are actors, writers, directors. We love it,
like we don't know how hard it is to make
something good on on school. We talk about great movies
and it's and we it's fun just to be a fan.
I like being a fan, and I think that you know,
obviously there's all this talk of toxic fandom and stuff

(22:54):
like that, but the truth is is, like, you know,
if you don't like the way that something's going, go
make your own thing that gets millions of people on
board around the world. Like you know, it's like, you know, yeah,
that's all it is.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
No, I think that's right, and I actually think that's
a better answer, you know, And we're very positive on
this show. We also love Star Wars, and sometimes we
try to find that line between like you even say,
you know, you can be critical of something without hating
it or being an asshole to somebody. You can just go, yeah,
this didn't work for me, or this is the reason
why I felt like the show was slow, or or

(23:29):
just don't watch it.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Resistance and Resistance Cartoon all. We don't talk all that
all the time.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
We didn't love it, but that's you know, we're not like,
we know there are people that absolutely love that show, right,
That's that's fantastic. It's a you know, we ash crossing
who you've seen on stage at Sandy Comic Con and
Entertainment tonight. When she was on the show, she said
it best. She said, Star Wars is like your baby brother.
You rip on them, you give them a hard time,
but just still love them. Right, it's the same kind

(23:55):
of concept.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, I think when you create something that's so massive,
you have to just have avenues for not everything too.
Like again, I want to go back. I've never said
that before, and now I feel like it was a
smart thing to say. The restaurant analogy, right, It's like,
I like the restaurant. I just don't like every dish,
and that's okay, but we treat it like we have

(24:16):
to like every dish. And I think then you get
this like weird feedback or this thing. It's like whether
it was I'm forgetting Leslie Hesland, the name of yes,
the Acolte, It's like, why does this have to appeal
to everyone? Right, it doesn't. I love the Rebuild the Galaxy.
I thought that was so fun, right, and it's like

(24:37):
different and cool and like what a great way to
like play in the Star Wars world and also subvert it.
And and I feel like it's just hard it's hard
when I think that there's such a control behind the
I'm gonna keep on saying the powers that be of
Star Wars that they release things one at a time.
So you get like this idea of like, well, this

(24:59):
is my next chapter, but it's not an ext chapter.
It's just another it's another thing. But it's but it's
viewed as like well, I have to like this or
I don't like this. It's like no, it's just it's
an option there. You know, we we pick a car,
but we all drive cars, right, Like, there's there's certain
things and I and I feel like it's what I
think I love about Star Wars and I think this

(25:20):
is what Foloni does. I think this is what you know.
I think this is what George Lucas said. Everybody, like
a lot of people across the board, it's if if
used effectively, star Wars is a director, creator medium. What
do you want to say? And can you be fully
can you deliver that product? And again like not to

(25:43):
keep on harping on and or but hand or and or,
and like the Mandalorian both felt like we have the tools,
we already have the tools, but we can build whatever
we want to build and I feel like that's that's
the mentality that I think is good, Like give creators
a chance to build their own little area of the
galaxy and it doesn't have to undercut anything. The one

(26:05):
you know what, Now, I'm going back to the one
thing that I think I haven't gotten over my disappointment on,
and I may have to go back and rewatch it.
And I think I'm going to with my eight year
old I really at the grand scheme of things, now,
this is how far I've come. The one that I'm
most disappointed, the one Star Wars thing that I'm like,

(26:26):
I didn't like it at all is Rise of Skywalker
and I have to rewatch it. Yes, okay, yeah, because
I'm like that felt to me on a level cowardly.
It just felt like if we were I don't know,
it's like we're not a commitment to anything. And to
get you this mishmash bundle, there's a bunch of stuff
in there. I described it as a movie I used

(26:48):
to I lived in New York City and on Sixth
Street in New York City, it's all these Indian restaurants
and you go in there and have the best meals
and always on the TVs are a movie that you've
never seen heard of, and you look at it and
you're like, whoa, this looks awesome. And I feel like
Rise of Skywalker is that like if you have on
the screen and you're not paying attention to any dialogue

(27:09):
or seeing what's going on. Like visually, Asis looks cool
as hell, but once he turned on and listen to
it to like, oh boy, but yeah, that's the one
I have not that's the one I've not turned around on.
I'm curious if I want. I'm a big fan of

(27:31):
Ryan Johnson's Last Jedi. I know it like I saw
it before there's any like I'm so happy the way
I saw it. So on Thursday night eight o'clock show
there had been no feedback, I saw with Jason man
Zukas and we both walked out more like that was
so fun. And then I was like watching the reviews
trickle and I was like, wow, wait what Like I

(27:51):
felt like I was like because I wasn't even prepared
for it not to be received amazingly, so you know,
but I do think that's the thing. It's like it's
you're trying so hard to get back to like to
make everything fit and work and do all this sort
of stuff. And I don't know if people necessarily want that.

(28:12):
I think that, like if I could say anything about
the new trilogy, and again, you guys might have different
opinions without this. I think that. And I'm a big
fan of jj Abrams and I watched that first one
again just this week, and I was like, oh, this
was really fun and I really like a lot of this.
I loved it when I saw it, actually, but he
definitely put a lot of things in a box, you know,

(28:36):
not in a box. He put a lot of things
out there, and I don't know if he had plans
for them. And when you're building a trilogy, I think
that that's a bad way to go about it. Star
Wars had the ability of going you look, they have
that fight scene between and overyone, the one fights thing
that everyone I bet wishes they could wreck on, right
Goobi Darth Vader fight scene, Like we have to back
into this in some weird way where like, oh, I

(28:58):
guess he will never really this is all a part
of the plant. But you know, but when you are
creating a trilogy, and I think that that's the thing
I read. I remember like Michael Arndt was going to
write the trilogy at one point and then he left
and and I, yeah, so I feel like that was
a really it was a misfire, like they should have
built out a trilogy, understood where they were going, and

(29:21):
then followed the line. I will say that I read
the the guy did Jurassic World, Colin Trevroe. I read
his I read the comic and I read his script.
I was like, I think I would have preferred that
version by a lot, Like and it's a shame to say,

(29:41):
like it's a shame to be like they had that
and they went with this. What it was so much
more fun or at least it seems look not perfect,
but way better, I think, a way better step in
the right direction.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Right. But that's the amazing thing about where we are
with Star Wars right now. I'm with you and you're
singing on the same song she just nicked and I
at the last Jedi. We both love that movie. Rice
Skywalker is my eleventh favorite live action Star Wars film. Yeah,
it'd be twelve if I could even if there were twelve,
I could push it down. But that being said, there's

(30:14):
this great you know there's so many people that love
that movie. And and that's that's your Star Wars restaurant, right.
You you love the steak, they love the seafood, and
it works out for everybody there.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, and and and that's why I think my whole
thing is I've said this, and I've been doing comedy
for a long time, and you know, there's this ability
when I was coming up at a certain point when
I was like, like when Human Giant was just about hitting.
So is like the blue collar comedy guys, right, And
people are like, oh, what do you think about the

(30:46):
blue cool comedy guys. I'm like, great, they're not taking
any of my audience. And they are like people like, well,
they're not funny. I'm like they they are. There's the
entire stadium full of people that aren't there because they're
forced to be there. They're having a good time. And
so I I you know, I have I can break

(31:06):
down on issues of comedy, but like, if people think
it's funny and it's selling out, like you can't deny
that it's making its working right, And that's and that's
the thing. And it may not be my cup of tea,
but that I don't have to dictate what my cup
of tea is everybody's cup of tea. That's the best
part of this. It's like what your favorite movie is
different than my favorite movie, And that doesn't mean that
either one of us is wrong, but we try to

(31:26):
convince each other that we are right. It's you're like,
well you're wrong, It's like sure, wow, how why?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
And that's that's the problem with with the Internet and
social media is it's it's it's just sort of the
same attitude that and I kind of take like there
I see people out there saying they love things that
I'm like, I don't get it. But yeah, I'm not
why it's the old yuck somebody else is young, right.
I mean, I use the Matrix as an example. I
love Matrix was one of my favorite movies. Two and

(31:55):
three and four were kind of unwatchable to me, but
I know people love them defend them, and I'm not
going to fight them on it because it's entertainment, right.
People may love a show on television or not, and
that's okay. And as you just said, there's enough people
who do like it that it's making money for studios
or whoever needs to make money and is being entertained

(32:18):
and so just run with it.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. Genre is really tricky, right, because I have this
theory where it's like it's very hard to say a
drama is bad, right, Like, just think about a straight
drama movie, right, No, Like it's very easy to say
a comedy movie not funny, didn't work bad, okay, genre movie,
didn't scare me, not scary bad? Right. Sequels, and they

(32:42):
were in the Lord of the Ring Star Wars matrix.
It's so much easier to pick them apart because we
love them so much. They're setting our imaginations a blaze,
and we all are different people and so our imaginations
get inspired and tickled by different things. So it's like
it's very hard. You know, we can both sit down
and have the same experience of loving something, and if

(33:04):
you drill down on why we love it, there might
be a lot of overlapping things, but there might be
some very specific things that we love that you know,
like again, I go to the Jarjar Banks example, watching
my kids like love Jarjar Binks and like, yeah, God
bless them, like God bless them. Like it's like they're
not faking it. They're not like, Oh, I I like no,
they love it. They love porks. I love porks. I
love a poor uh you know, and it's like but

(33:26):
it's you know, and I think that what people fail
to recognize too is that's my big theory on Ryan
Johnson is Ryan Johnson followed so many things thematically right
down the middle, but didn't do them the exact same way.
Right Like, there are level there's always a lovable creature

(33:49):
in all Star Wars movies. That's always something, you know,
whether it's a little probe droids or whatever they are,
and the that run around the desk start, there's always
a cute little thing. He puts porks right there's you know,
there's he's taking all the things. It's like, you know,
Yoda literally says I must go into exile. And when
people say Luke would never have run away, it's like, dude,

(34:09):
Yoda did it. He did it. Yoda literally did it.
George Lucas wrote that, I mean it's so clunky dialogue
as hell. It's like I must like immediately, Yoda's like
I'm out, Like Yola's figured out his game plan immediately,
which is just to articulate it like that. I don't
think we need to underline it, but like just the juzzle. Yeah, yeah,
he's gonna go, but like that he's following the pattern,

(34:31):
like and it's but it's, well, I don't like that.
I don't like that he would run away. But yet
that's we've built this world where it's like, yeah, we've
seen it happen before Obi Wan ran away. Yes, and
they were because they were being defeated, but they've felt
in some way responsible, guilty. That's exactly what he did,
but people don't want to see it that way. It's

(34:52):
it boggles my I don't know why that boggles my
mind so much, but it just bums me out because
it's like, I don't know, yeah, it's you see it though,
the thing that you like he's doing, He's doing the thing.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
There's so much there and it's so funny.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
But speaking of funny, and we want to get to
this before we get you out of here. We're gonna
do our ten question segment in a minute, but before
we do, we have to ask about after Darth because
it just go.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Ahead and explain what that is kind of what went
on so.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Before before the new Hope Wait, no, sorry, I knew Hope,
which is which is the first what's the first called
Force Awakens before Force Awakens comes out, which about a
New Hope. By the way, a lot of people say, yes,
it was funny. I was watching it last time. I
was like, I really can see it now. I watch

(35:42):
him moment back that. Uh So, when a New Hope
comes out or before, about a year before, we get
word that the people at Disney are nervous that people
don't remember Star Wars, so they want to create, we
ate some sort of viral web based show that will

(36:07):
kind of get Star Wars more than the zeitgeist. It
was already a flawed concept. It was like people don't
forget Star Wars, but they wanted to involve TikTokers and
YouTubers and and and kind of just find a way
to like get Star Wars back into the mix. So
back in the day when I was at the Upright
Citizens Brigade, which is a comedy theater in New York
im Provence Sketch started by Amy Poehler and Ian Walsh
and sorry Matt Walshan in Robertson, Matt Besser, I did

(36:33):
this show called The Darth Vader Talk Show, and it
was me as Darth Vader hosting a talk show, and
we did it for the premieres of every Star Wars film, right,
we did it every the fur of the prequel trilogy,
and it was as a dumb bits just people coming
out I would be Darth Vader, very traditional talk show host.

(36:55):
So when this, uh, this mandate came down, I was approached, like,
do you have any ideas on how to package a
funny way of doing Star Wars? And I had been
approached by Celebration at one point to bring that Darth
Vader talk show to Celebration. I was like, I don't
know if that fits. I just feel like I don't
want to piss off anybody because it was very comedy forward,

(37:17):
not Star Wars. And so I go, I did this
show called the Darth Vader Talk Show and they're like, great,
we want to do it, and I was like okay.
So they built the Throne Room from Return of the
Jedi and we put a wooden desk in there and
I and I had my Darth Vader costume on, and

(37:40):
I did a talk show from space and all of
our guests were comedians and YouTubers. Emperor Palpatine was the bandleader.
He you know, he sat in with a bunch of
people who looked like they were out of like Max
Rebo's band. And I was co hosting with my brother
who was like a guy Hawaiian shirt that had a

(38:01):
little bit of a Darth Vader helmet but not the
face mask and uh and it was just like dumb
funny bits. And because it was under the the Disney
and uh Star War with the Disney Star Wars mold,
we could use any costume do anything, and we had

(38:22):
people come in with bits, We wrote bits and it
was so funny. We did a thirty for thirty about
Anakin racing pod racer, you know, the pod racers, and
we had like all the We shot it early beautifully.
We did a sketch which was like we were in
Star We were in episode one the New Hope when
they're hiding from the Stormtroopers and the Millium Falcon and

(38:43):
everyone blames their farts on Chewy because no one can
understand Chewy like trying to defend himself. We uh, you know,
we had a U. I introduced Lobot and Lobot loves
to dance, and Lobot just did break dancing for his
entire segment I brought out like Amidala and just Almidala's courteson,
like her hers, and just was asking questions because she

(39:05):
talk about me. What did she say? You know? You know,
So it was like all these like really fun dumb bits.
You know, what's what's the weather like in bestment and cloudy?
You know, you know, and it was just it was
done with a lot of love and no, you know,
it was never mean spirited, but it was a super

(39:26):
fun show. And I guess what it happened was I'm
gonna I'm gonna leave out some names because I don't
want to get myself in trouble. Somebody high up in
the Star Wars world had heard that we were doing this,
and I guess it was not run by them, and
went in to the head of Disney and said, what

(39:47):
the f were you doing? Like we don't know. Star
Wars is not funny. Star Wars does not do this.
And from what I understand, and I'm talking at you know,
I understand that in that meeting, not only was our
show killed even though we shot all the episodes and
they were all edited. Uh so was Darth Vader break
dancing at Disneyland that was pulled because like he'll never

(40:10):
break dance again, he won't do the macarena, There'll be
no more dancing Darth Vader. And I also heard that
the Family Guy DVDs were were no more like it
was like it was a it was a wholesale moment
of no, we are controlling this anyway, are going forward
in a very we're pushing it out in the right way.

(40:32):
And now this is before New Hope comes out. So look,
there was an idea of like, let's wrangle the narrative.
I understand that from a certain point of view, But
that was it. Everything that was that was that was
like Anakin killing all those young Jedis dudes. It was
just coming in slash a wholesale and it's easy.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
To understand that that was probably what happened with De
Tours as well, which was another, you know, similar situation
that cam to seth Green.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
You know the folks that were involved in that.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And George Lucas, Yeah, I mean right, it was involved.
You know, I think it's it's a bummer because there's
a there's something really precious and I don't think they
should be so precious. Like I think it's like again,
Star Wars was like this poppy can't be fun thing
that became something big And look, there's religions around that,

(41:25):
people can speak certain languages they want to understand it,
and that's all fine. But again going back to that
creator thing that you should have a lot of different
people painting with that. Like it's like it's just look,
there are a million different churches in the world. The
way that people will preach and tell you how to
the same thing. They're working off the same Bible, but
they'll present it in a many myriad of different ways.
And I feel like that's the and I feel like

(41:47):
that's the best thing in the Marvel world and the
best thing in the Star Wars world. When you get
a clear, clean voice makes something. It may hit or
may miss, but it won't feel muddled. And when it
feels muddled, it's that's to me the worst Star Wars
where it feels like all lot of fingers in there,
and you know, I, I, you know, to uh be
too cheesy and quote Princess Leah from a New Hope,

(42:08):
but you know, the the tighter your grip, the more
will slip through your fingers, right, And I think that
if Star Wars could laugh at itself. I think you
would sort of peel off that top layer of people
who are taking it too seriously, right, the people who
are causing some of the challenges within fandom because they
are still like, no, that's not canon, and that's you know,
that's not what I remember from being a kid. But

(42:30):
if you can have fun with it, like the Lego shows,
do the Legos. I think that's why me and my
son love watching the Lego shows, because they're they're freaking funny.
It's just the love this world. It's like, it's like
and I think that that's the thing. It's like, you
gotta you have to. I think you just have to
allow it to be whatever it wants to be. Like,
I think canon is the worst thing that could happen

(42:51):
to Star Wars in a weird way, right, Like you
can say this is canon, this is not canon. But
like now that we have to put everything in a timeline,
it happened to Marvel too, it becomes too con like
too constricting, and you're just like, who cares. We don't
need to all like work out, we don't need to
like draw like this happened, and this happened then this happened.
It's like because then it becomes about like like forcing

(43:15):
a square peg in a round hole, and it's and
I think that that's some of the exhaustion that we
feel too. It's like, yep, oh right, yeah, that's what
happened that, Like, I mean again, you know, coming back
to this might be my favorite bad, favorite bad thing
of Star Wars. I just said I was doing a
whole rip on this. The other day. We meet Emperor

(43:35):
Palpatine in you know, in uh why I'm forgetting every
name of Phantom Menace, right, we Ian McDermott, right, uh
see him, and immediately we're like, wow, all right, well
let's see how he becomes. You know, he's a so
much time must have passed again, why are they not
sting out this trilogy? Right? Why aren't we making him

(43:55):
a little bit older at this point? Right? But like
so then the second movie you're like, well, he's not
it's not that much times fast. He doesn't really aged
that much. And then the third time the movies coming around,
they like, huh, all right, so I know that they're
gonna have a baby here, and it's about eighteen, so
I didn't get that older and they shoot him in
the face with lightning puls like I'm old now, Like

(44:16):
this is the dumbest, It's the dumbest. It is the
dumbest justification. And again that was a movie that they
knew it was going to be three. Just make it
fucking older, Like why don't we have to shoot him
with lightning?

Speaker 6 (44:29):
It's like the weirdest, like ah, like they becomes so
like that was the dumbest, and that that to me
is always like what why why are we doing this?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Why? Right? Like this?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Well, speaking about being right and wrong about Star Wars,
we have our ten questions segment. So we've been doing
this for a while. You can give long answers, you
get short answers, you can get quick fast, whatever you
want to do. There aren't no wrong answers. We won't
judge you, but the Internet of course will for sure.
Of course. So let me start with question number one.
It's the easiest of all time questions. Probably it's what

(45:09):
is your favorite Star Wars movie, TV show, or book.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I think Empire Strikes Back is to me the one
that probably taught me the most right because it was
the first time in my life as a kid that
I had seen the bad guys win, right Han Solo's frozen.

(45:33):
We end on this depressing note. There were things in
that that made me feel like wow, I'm watching like
this is wow, Like I'm getting something here, like you know,
he's his dad, Like it just blew my mind, like
we are living in a time of twists and turns.
As a kid, that was all like shocking, right, No
one's spoiling it for me, like I didn't know about it.

(45:55):
Like now my kids know, like Luke, I'm your father,
and they've never even seen Star Wars, right, Like so
that to me just blew my mind as far as
like what story could be? So I will always go
there as that excellent answer.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
All right, what isn't Who is an actor that you
would love to see in Star Wars? Who's a favorite
actor you have? Somebody you think would just be a
home run and a Star Wars project?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I think, okay, there there are a few that I
really like. Hmm. I don't know, I don't know why
I'm here, but I have two I'm going to give you,
and they both are similar. Mark Rylance, who I think

(46:40):
is a fantastic actor. He's been in a bunch of
like Spielberg films. He's a brilliant Broadway actor, just like
a top notch a plus stage actor. And I'm thinking
like Ed Harris, but I feel like I'm thinking Ed
Harris Apollo thirteen, not Ed Harris. Now, so like I
don't know Ed Harris now, like I'm like, huh as

(47:00):
he fits still, but Ed Harris would be interesting. I yeah,
and uh, you know, but those are two. I don't
know why. I don't know why either of them came
to my head, but that's it. I like it. That's
a good one.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Ed Harris is just he's just like he's just right
below that kind of a list right, I mean not
that he's not as if you're listening, I apologize, but
you know he's but he's he would work into Star Wars.
He would yeah, yeah, all right. So question number three
is if you could own any critter from Star Wars
as a pet.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Which one would you? What would your pay? Oh? Wow,
you know I definitely told you my fascination with porges
and we're critters. So this is these are not robots,
These are where these are purely I mean, look, I'd
be lying if I if I wouldn't want, right, now
on my desk to be a little salacious crumb, just

(47:56):
hanging out, laughing at my jokes, having a good time.
I think that every every person needs a Slati's Club crumb.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
That's right, that's the edification we all as a comedian and.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I know that's his name. I don't know what's creature
species he is, but that species, I think it's a comedian.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
That just makes sense just to have a guy who's
always gonna laugh no matter what. A little but he's gonna,
he's gonna, he's gonna tell you.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
It's like a higher pitched Ed McMahon just off tucking away. Awesome,
all right.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Our next question, and this is a very basic Star
Wars question, but what is your favorite Star Wars sound effect?

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Oh? Wow, I mean I think that you know, there
are so many great sounds in Star Wars. And again
when I got to be in uh On editing my
doc at Luke at Skywalker Ranch, my editor, it was
all we were doing our sound there. You know there's

(48:54):
and they're a locked there. It's a locked bunch of
sound effects you can't access, right, And I think that
an art too, beep is pretty stellar, like it is
a it just it brings me. Those beeps are pretty awesome,

(49:17):
and I I just I can think of it. I'm like, oh,
I like it, I would love it. I love the
art two beep yep.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
It's the text ton on my phone for exactly that reason.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Well, I back back in the day, I had a
Tandy computer. I'm dating myself at radio Shack, and I
had a disc where I could have all the Star
Wars sounds like you could associate with everything.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It was my favorite thing. Every everything on my computer
was at Paul. The longer this conversation goes, the more
I feel like we were related.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Uh. I had a computer. Oh, I love it. I've
learned to program on it for some reason, I don't know. Wow.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
So related to your R two beat though. The next
question is who is your favorite droid? Oh that's interesting.
We used to just limit it to R two and
three people, but the reality is there's so many different.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
The droid that I uh that I love is uh.
I believe he was played by Alan Tudic and uh
solo right?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
No, wait, was that Phoebe Waller Bridge was that droid?

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Who? Maybe Wola Bridge was in solo? Al was in
Rogue Rogue one. Okay, yes, I like the rogue one
Alan Tudic, I love that character. I think that's a
really fun droid. Always there it is. Yes, that's a
good that that is a fun droid. I was gonna
say my second favorite one, uh, I was going to

(50:48):
be the uh the Silver Protocol Droid and Empire strike
back to those like excuse me, Like I just like
the cursing, the I like the bad droids whenever you
like whenever they were hanging out in a bay full
of droids. The dickhead Droids are the ones I love absolutely.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
All Right, this is gonna be the most loaded and
controversial question probably, but it's a good one. What is
your favorite non Star Wars movie?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Oh, you know.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
I have as not a fair question.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
We know that, No, no, no, I know, yeah, And
I'm gonna go with what I always say to keep
it level. It's a Ghostbusters. Like Ghostbusters to me was
a movie that And look, there are certain movies that
I love that will rewatch a million times, like I
think two thousand and one is like one of my
favorite movies and recently got on that list when I

(51:44):
saw it in the theaters, Like holy shit, like this
is blowing my mind. But like Back to the Future
and Ghostbusters are two movies that are right in my
wheelhouse because they're genre comedy, big heart but also just
really really funny. And I don't think we make enough
of those movies that are high concept and also very accessible.

(52:07):
So Ghostbusters to me my favorite people. I love the idea,
I love the world, I love it.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
And what makes Ghostbusters great in my mind as well,
is similar to where you were going with it, I think,
is it encapsulated a time that I mean, you can
go back in time when you watch that movie.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
No intended with Back the Future, but same thing.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
It's like it captures a certain principle, a certain way
of life somehow, and it's yeah, it's absolutely yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
All right. Cool.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
So there's something about Star Wars fans. As you know,
we all are collectors in one form or another. Do
you have and what is your favorite Star Wars collectible?
It could be something you can buy off a shelf,
or it could be something that you just have through your experience.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Oh, I have so many good Star Wars things. Let's
have a couple just that probably aren't my favorites, but
they're good I have a funko pop of Yoda from
the Macy's Day Parade, so it's a or sorry, I
know it's a sorry, it's a man. Well no, it's
it's a my fab baby grogu floating up so everyone's

(53:15):
holding onto him with wires. I also have this exclusive
from kmart Uh the scanning crew from New Hope. So
it's just people scanning. The people who are like on
the Death Start is scanning. So it's just it's boxes
and two figures I've never seen. Oh I that is

(53:35):
one of my one of my favorite ones. And then
I would say that my favorite toy as a kid
was when you had to send away for the han
solng carbonite like that was that blew my mind? That

(53:55):
was truly awesome.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
All Right, the next one, and I'm gonna I'm gonna
throw a caveat in here because I know for fans
of our certain age, we tend to have this answer
if you could own any spaceship from the Star Wars universe,
but I take the Millennium Falcon off the table. Yeah,
what is the spaceship that you're picking, because we would
all pick the Millennium Falcon.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
It's oh yeah, I mean, look, I think speeder bikes
are great looking and they're fun. It seems very dangerous, though,
you know, there's a basic part of me that feels like, look,
I'm like an ad at I'm also the old school,
but atat like like I'm not gonna have room for that.

(54:35):
I can't do that. So I mean I like the
sand Speeder. Sand Speeder is a great like, oh my gosh,
it seems fun. It's perfect, you know, bad trunk space.
But it also really like raise vehicle in the New
movies too. I think a fun just a fun that
kind of very much. It feels like, oh the Star

(54:57):
Wars probably a little bit different, didn't get that much play.
But I think it's it's a cool looking vehicle. I
it's it's interesting because there's so many interesting ships. But
I think, I like, I think I'm gonna go. I
think I'm gonna really, I think it's to go Sands Peter.
I think Sands Peter to me.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Is yeah, the way to go, great choice. It feels
like something you could ride around in La with too.
I would love it. Yeah, hop down and it's nice
a little Courtvett action. Yeah, that's perfect, like an old
cassette player in it or something.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Okay, So we're coming up near the end here, but
more one of the last questions is what is your
favorite Star Wars moment? And that could be either from
the films or something in your life that was Star
Wars related that just sticks with you.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
You know, it may seem really silly, but the best
moment for me has been watching my kids enjoy Star
Wars and watching it with my kids. My dad watch
it with me. I get to watch it with them.
I'm building I built this Boba fet costume with my son,

(56:03):
and I think that that shared experience of like, oh,
this is something that was in my life and it's
in their life and it just feels really special. And
and again, because it's not forced, I'm not making them
watch it, I'm not making them be connected to it.
I feel really I don't know that that to me

(56:24):
from a like when I look on Star Wars now
that it took on a whole new meaning for me.
But if we're talking about a legit moment, it would
be waiting online for X amount of hours in front
of the Zigfield Theater for a screening of Joe Black.
The first screen of the day where they were going

(56:45):
to play the Star Wars trailer for The Phantom Menace,
and the theater was packed with nobody who wanted to
see me Joe Black. We all wanted to see the
Star Wars trailer. We saw that I need to sit
through Joe Black, which is terrible. But we only sat
through Joe Black because at the end they were going
to play the trailer one more time. And the amount
of excitement that I had as an adult to go

(57:07):
back into that world and that first trailer is awesome.
That first trailer is great. That was probably one of
the most exciting experiences I've ever had as a fan.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Well, and here's what makes that answer perfect today because
this week the episode of How Did This Get Made?
That dropped as a matine Monday, and it's lawnmower Man,
and the intro of that episode, you and Jason talk
about this exact thing, going to see Joe Black, and
you even talk about how to keep people through the movie.
They've showed the trailer again at the end. That's the

(57:42):
episode that dropped.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Oh look at that all right, Well, there he goes
all tied together. I love it.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
All ties together it's perfect, all right.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Last question and then I'm going to give you an
opportunity to talk about your book for a quick second,
because we definitely want to plug that.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Our final question is what is your go to Star
Wars quote?

Speaker 4 (57:57):
What is the Star Wars line that you use in
everyday life means something special to you. I mean we
all have a bunch of different ones. I tell my
kids when I get out of the car, I say
lock the door, and they usually go and hope they
don't have blasters. It's just those little dad. What is
your go to Star Wars quote?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I think the one that resonates the most for me.
Not that I say this all the time, but I
think about it because I think it's a really beautiful idea.
It's like, uh, fear leads to anger, and anger leads
to hate, and hate leads the dark side. But I
think that that is such a beautiful to think, you know,
succinct thing as we approach anything in life, like when

(58:37):
we fear something, we get angry at it. When we
get angry, it turns to like in that like we
always have to protect ourselves from that. And I think
that that's like and when I find myself like hating something,
or I find myself afraid to do something. I think
about that and I and I think that a lot
of times when you find people who are creatively blocked

(58:58):
or feeling like they're stuck in their life, it's because
they're afraid to make a change or change anything, you know.
So it's not a fun quote like oh and then
we say this, and you know, we run around the house,
but it is it's a way of like, look, it's
a very beautiful, I think statement about how to approach life.
How do you approach life without fear? And maybe fear

(59:21):
is about failure, but there's nothing in Star Wars that like,
you know, it's like you have to try, right, that's
the whole thing. You have to try, and that like
that the Yoda, the Yoda teachings are so beautiful in
that way, and I think that, like I'm so lucky
that I was a kid to get them because it

(59:43):
was it's it's something that like we miss out. I
think a lot of times in philosophy, you know, it's
like it's a great thing to hear as a young
kid because it's very basic, but it actually is more
true than anything else. You can hear.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
This has been so much fun, Paul. Like I said,
this has been an honor to have you on. I've
wanted to get to to talk to you for a
very long time before we get you out of here. Yeah,
you're working on a million different things. You've got a
million different projects. But we do know you have a
book that came out to have a book, you know,
Joyful Recollections of Trauma.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
I do tell everybody about the book.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, and I'm ashamed to say I haven't bought a
copy yet, but it's very well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You can get a copy. This is this is the
book right here. It's called Joyful Recollections of Trauma. It
is a it's a memoir, right And I'm a collector.
I've been collecting things my entire life, and this is
a collection of stories and about kind of being a
kid and coming up in a tough situation and having
movies and pop culture is like my outlet in those

(01:00:40):
tougher times. And then you know, and then also becoming
a parent and like and and going from a kid
who maybe had a tougher time growing up and then
dealing with that and figuring out how to become a parent. Myself.
So it's funny. If you've heard How Did This Get Made?
It has a lot of funny stories, a lot like
that in there, but it also it's got some more

(01:01:02):
weight to it, some serious stuff in there too. And
it's not my whole life, it's not my biography. It's
just really about a period of time. And you get
as an ebook, as an audiobook, get as a book book.
And if you want me to science something in it,
you just go to my website and there's a great
bookstore I work with in Los Angeles that will I
will personalize it to whatever you'd like and it's the

(01:01:23):
same exact price. Amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
That's so great, And I also want to encourage everybody
to check out How Did This Get Made?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Unspoiled. You are, I mean, you're the definition of a
multi hyphen it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
You do a little bit of everything, and that's why
we're trus seeing you pop up in so many different projects.
Thank you again so much for doing this, and we
just have really appreciated it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I loved it. Thank you so much, guys, I appreciate you. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
That wraps it up for this episode of Around the Galaxy.
Thanks to Paul Sheer and Thank you for joining us.
If you enjoyed today's conversation, make sure to follow us
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(01:02:09):
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