November 20, 2025 • 8 mins
A groundbreaking exploration of UFO crashes, government cover-ups, Congressional hearings, and humanity's mysterious origins, featuring shocking evidence and exclusive insights from top experts.New York Times bestselling author, Kent Heckenlively, JD, and acclaimed UFO documentary director, Michael Mazzola, collaborate to bring you the latest information on the Congressional disclosure hearings, as well as the unknown history of UFO crashes-such as the Trinity crash of 1945, just a month after the explosion of the first atomic bomb.Featuring interviews with leading figures in the UFO movement, this book delves deeply into the government's role in recovering these crafts, attempts to understand the technology, and postulates on the intentions of these beings.Much of this information will be shocking, and perhaps unbelievable to the average reader. But the book also reveals Congressional documents which lend credence to the claims of nonhuman intelligences visiting our planet. Despite allegations that these are simply birds, the planet Venus, or swamp gas, the government's multiple and continuing investigations demonstrate the lie, as well as the often hilarious secret programs they claim are responsible for such sightings.These objects have been seen by military pilots, presidents, and a United States senator, who chased a craft in his single-seat fighter jet over the Arizona desert. The authors were granted access to the extensive archive of UFO reports collected by Dr. Steven Greer, who has spearheaded the Disclosure Project for decades, and has briefed leaders in Congress, the Senate, and the intelligence community.In the final section, coauthor Michael Mazzola travels to Nazca, Peru, investigating seventeen-hundred-year-old mummies who show clear signs of genetic manipulation, raising disturbing questions of humanity's own origins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, if you're like me, you get a little tired
(00:01):
of searching for your favorite podcast on one of those
streaming outfits. You type something in and they say, oh,
did you mean this? No, the only place to go
is Arrow dot net A R r oe dot net.
All seventeen of my podcasts are waiting for you to
enjoy and to learn something. Thanks for supporting me throughout
the years. Good morning, Kent, How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Great Arrow?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I gotta tell you, man, I growing up in the
state of Montana, the home of the Big Sky Country,
and then moving to the Carolinas, I take books like
what you've got here, and they become my tools because
when I look up into that sky at a meteor
shower or a full moon, I want to see what
you're seeing. I want to see you know, everything that
you're researching, because I mean, you're giving us all of
this information now I want to see it in action. Okay,
(00:47):
I mean what is that like for you to be
able to transfer that power to your readers as well
as followers, because I mean, all of a sudden, I
mean it's like you've got new things to think about
here in this one.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, you know, one of the things that I really
enjoy arrow is I enjoy learning about things and then
sharing that information with people. And you know, one of
the things I work with a longtime editor, a guy
named Max Slawford, and whenever I send him a new chapter,
he'll always ask me, Ken, so how do you feel
about this? And I'll be like, you know, Max, I
(01:20):
don't know. I liked it, but the question is whether
you like it. An artist doesn't know if their work
is successful until they hear from the audience. And so
that's why this is such an exciting time for me,
because I've been laboring on this book for two years.
(01:41):
You know. I usually I'm one of those annoyingly fast
writers that I usually pop a book out in you know,
three to five months. I spent two years on this
one because I really wanted to get it right. I
wanted to talk to the leading figures in the field.
I wanted to you know, present their views fairly, and
you know, then I have my own, you know, opinions
(02:03):
about what they said. So, you know, I like to
be fair to people. I like to let them talk,
you know, have them share everything that they think, and
then you know, I'll chime in with well, what about this?
What about that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Ye don't you think it's because you are living in
a new age of journalism where you have that space
and that time where you can take, you know, to
really dive into a project, give it two years, but
by giving them the opportunity to speak, because so many
times when it comes to a journalist, they want that
two minute bite because that's what they're going to get
it for the six pm news.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and you know, it's something my wife and I
talk a lot about because you know, I'm not big
on social media or stuff like that, so I'm kind
of like, you know, I just like the long form,
you know. I like to really be able to take
my time really understand it, you know, and I like
to write my books. And it's it's kind of interesting
because I've heard some podcasters will say things like, oh,
(02:55):
I don't want to have somebody on just because they're
they're showing their new book, And I'm like, God, that's
the whole that's the wrong perspective. The perspective is don't
you want to hear from somebody who's taken their time
to thoroughly understand a subject? And you know, I find
a little anti intellectual to be down on somebody because
they wrote a book. To me, if somebody wrote a book,
(03:17):
I was like, wow, Okay, I really want to talk
to you because you took the time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I see. I love you where your heart is
because you know people will ask me, so, do you
want to talk with Elton John or the guy that
goes up there and vacuums the stairs going on to
the stage. Yep, that's who I want to talk to.
I want to talk to the vacuum cleaner guy because
he's got a story. Kn't's got a story? Yeah, please
do not move. There's more with kent Heck and Lively
coming up next. The name of the book Catastrophic Disclosure.
(03:45):
We're back with kent Heck and Lively. I can't look
into the sky the same anymore. And it's because of
the things that you do, Because I mean, here's this
Trinity Crash. Why is it in all of my love
for the sky? I've never heard of the Trinity Crash.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. Well, the reason you probably haven't heard about it
is because the book on it, by Jacques vl At
and Paula Harris is relatively new. It came out in
twenty twenty but that was what was interesting. And I
think what I do that's a little bit different is
I may give the readers a different spin on the narrative.
So everybody knows about the Roswell crash, okay, and we
(04:21):
spend some time on the Roswell crash. But something about
the Roswell narrative didn't make sense to me. And here's
what didn't make sense. Supposedly, our first nuclear bomb explosion
in July of nineteen forty five sent a distress signal
or something out to the rest of the galaxy, and
the Flying Saucer people came and I was like, well,
that makes no sense because we exploded that bomb in
(04:43):
July of nineteen forty five and it took them till
July of nineteen forty seven to show up. That's two years. Well,
along comes the Trinity Crash, which is covered in the
book by Jacques Vle and Paula Harris. And what it
says is that the first crash was not Roswell, but
this so called Trinity crash, which happened one month to
(05:04):
the day after we exploded that nuclear bomb, and it
was discovered by two young boys on horseback. Now, the
other thing That was interesting That this always bugged me
about Roswell is when I looked at the military response,
I couldn't help but think they know what the hell
they're doing. They're executing a plan, and I'm like, no, no,
I know how organizations work. If something unusual happens, they
(05:28):
don't know what the hell they're doing. Well, you go
to read the Trinity Crash and you go, oh, okay,
I got it. This is the government not having a
single clue. I mean, World War Two ended the day
before this crash, and so you know, I put myself
in the mind of a World War two general who's
just spent four years fighting the most brutal war in history.
He goes to work the next day, he wants to relax,
(05:51):
and an adjudant comes up to and says, Sir, we
had a crash in the New Mexico Desert. Oh what, Nazi, Russian, Japanese. No,
not from any of those places, sir.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So like the shocking information that you're putting inside the
new book, I guess I sit here and I always
think about the other communities that have their own information.
How do you bond with them? If everybody's coming at
you with different information at all times. Is it the
listener in you, because you kind of pointed that out
in the very beginning listen first then.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right, Yeah, I don't know, it's it's just always sort
of been my thing. You know, in my family, I
always kind of always noticed the family diplomat who listened
to everybody before I spoke. So I think I'm just
wired that way. I want to listen to people and
then I'll ask questions. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So then here's the situation. Then, how do you feel
about these cylinder spaceships as they're looking at them up
there in space right now, where they're already saying, well,
should we send up a bomb and get rid of it?
Or a planet that or a meteor that's you know
that could come really close to the United States. So
the thing is is that as that author, as that
journalist and historian, how do you deal with that going
(07:06):
I would say, put your bombs away and let let
it just happen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, So, so you know, there's a couple of different
questions in that. You know, when I was a kid,
I wanted to be a paleontologist. So the fact that
an asteroid slammed in the Earth and killed my dinosaurs
pisses me off. Yeah so so so you know, hey,
let's defend ourselves against you know, planet killing, you know, meteors.
(07:32):
I'm all in favor of that. But you know, this,
this nonsense that has been going on about this Atlas
comment just annoys the crap out of me, because you know,
it's this part of this threat narrative which which a
lot of the UFO people talk about, which is, hey,
UFOs are real, but the intelligence spooks are going to
(07:56):
try to scare you because they want to justify insane
amounts of spending to the defense contractors to defend us
against the threat from space, which the UFO people feel
is not real.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Wow, ten minutes with you is just not enough. I mean,
I wanted to dive into the Northern lights. I think
that they're guiding the aliens to the planet. I think
they're being used as a tool. I mean, I just
there's so much going on because the Northern lights are
being seen in the south and there's got to be
a reason why, and you are the man that's going
to have that answer. Well, you'd be brilliant today. Man.
It's always fun having a conversation with you, Sir, all right,
(08:34):
thanks so much, Erro
Hey, if you're like me, you get a little tired
(00:01):
of searching for your favorite podcast on one of those
streaming outfits. You type something in and they say, oh,
did you mean this? No, the only place to go
is Arrow dot net A R r oe dot net.
All seventeen of my podcasts are waiting for you to
enjoy and to learn something. Thanks for supporting me throughout
the years. Good morning, Kent, How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Great Arrow?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I gotta tell you, man, I growing up in the
state of Montana, the home of the Big Sky Country,
and then moving to the Carolinas, I take books like
what you've got here, and they become my tools because
when I look up into that sky at a meteor
shower or a full moon, I want to see what
you're seeing. I want to see you know, everything that
you're researching, because I mean, you're giving us all of
this information now I want to see it in action. Okay,
(00:47):
I mean what is that like for you to be
able to transfer that power to your readers as well
as followers, because I mean, all of a sudden, I
mean it's like you've got new things to think about
here in this one.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, you know, one of the things that I really
enjoy arrow is I enjoy learning about things and then
sharing that information with people. And you know, one of
the things I work with a longtime editor, a guy
named Max Slawford, and whenever I send him a new chapter,
he'll always ask me, Ken, so how do you feel
about this? And I'll be like, you know, Max, I
(01:20):
don't know. I liked it, but the question is whether
you like it. An artist doesn't know if their work
is successful until they hear from the audience. And so
that's why this is such an exciting time for me,
because I've been laboring on this book for two years.
(01:41):
You know. I usually I'm one of those annoyingly fast
writers that I usually pop a book out in you know,
three to five months. I spent two years on this
one because I really wanted to get it right. I
wanted to talk to the leading figures in the field.
I wanted to you know, present their views fairly, and
you know, then I have my own, you know, opinions
(02:03):
about what they said. So, you know, I like to
be fair to people. I like to let them talk,
you know, have them share everything that they think, and
then you know, I'll chime in with well, what about this?
What about that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Ye don't you think it's because you are living in
a new age of journalism where you have that space
and that time where you can take, you know, to
really dive into a project, give it two years, but
by giving them the opportunity to speak, because so many
times when it comes to a journalist, they want that
two minute bite because that's what they're going to get
it for the six pm news.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and you know, it's something my wife and I
talk a lot about because you know, I'm not big
on social media or stuff like that, so I'm kind
of like, you know, I just like the long form,
you know. I like to really be able to take
my time really understand it, you know, and I like
to write my books. And it's it's kind of interesting
because I've heard some podcasters will say things like, oh,
(02:55):
I don't want to have somebody on just because they're
they're showing their new book, And I'm like, God, that's
the whole that's the wrong perspective. The perspective is don't
you want to hear from somebody who's taken their time
to thoroughly understand a subject? And you know, I find
a little anti intellectual to be down on somebody because
they wrote a book. To me, if somebody wrote a book,
(03:17):
I was like, wow, Okay, I really want to talk
to you because you took the time.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I see. I love you where your heart is
because you know people will ask me, so, do you
want to talk with Elton John or the guy that
goes up there and vacuums the stairs going on to
the stage. Yep, that's who I want to talk to.
I want to talk to the vacuum cleaner guy because
he's got a story. Kn't's got a story? Yeah, please
do not move. There's more with kent Heck and Lively
coming up next. The name of the book Catastrophic Disclosure.
(03:45):
We're back with kent Heck and Lively. I can't look
into the sky the same anymore. And it's because of
the things that you do, Because I mean, here's this
Trinity Crash. Why is it in all of my love
for the sky? I've never heard of the Trinity Crash.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. Well, the reason you probably haven't heard about it
is because the book on it, by Jacques vl At
and Paula Harris is relatively new. It came out in
twenty twenty but that was what was interesting. And I
think what I do that's a little bit different is
I may give the readers a different spin on the narrative.
So everybody knows about the Roswell crash, okay, and we
(04:21):
spend some time on the Roswell crash. But something about
the Roswell narrative didn't make sense to me. And here's
what didn't make sense. Supposedly, our first nuclear bomb explosion
in July of nineteen forty five sent a distress signal
or something out to the rest of the galaxy, and
the Flying Saucer people came and I was like, well,
that makes no sense because we exploded that bomb in
(04:43):
July of nineteen forty five and it took them till
July of nineteen forty seven to show up. That's two years. Well,
along comes the Trinity Crash, which is covered in the
book by Jacques Vle and Paula Harris. And what it
says is that the first crash was not Roswell, but
this so called Trinity crash, which happened one month to
(05:04):
the day after we exploded that nuclear bomb, and it
was discovered by two young boys on horseback. Now, the
other thing That was interesting That this always bugged me
about Roswell is when I looked at the military response,
I couldn't help but think they know what the hell
they're doing. They're executing a plan, and I'm like, no, no,
I know how organizations work. If something unusual happens, they
(05:28):
don't know what the hell they're doing. Well, you go
to read the Trinity Crash and you go, oh, okay,
I got it. This is the government not having a
single clue. I mean, World War Two ended the day
before this crash, and so you know, I put myself
in the mind of a World War two general who's
just spent four years fighting the most brutal war in history.
He goes to work the next day, he wants to relax,
(05:51):
and an adjudant comes up to and says, Sir, we
had a crash in the New Mexico Desert. Oh what, Nazi, Russian, Japanese. No,
not from any of those places, sir.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So like the shocking information that you're putting inside the
new book, I guess I sit here and I always
think about the other communities that have their own information.
How do you bond with them? If everybody's coming at
you with different information at all times. Is it the
listener in you, because you kind of pointed that out
in the very beginning listen first then.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right, Yeah, I don't know, it's it's just always sort
of been my thing. You know, in my family, I
always kind of always noticed the family diplomat who listened
to everybody before I spoke. So I think I'm just
wired that way. I want to listen to people and
then I'll ask questions. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So then here's the situation. Then, how do you feel
about these cylinder spaceships as they're looking at them up
there in space right now, where they're already saying, well,
should we send up a bomb and get rid of it?
Or a planet that or a meteor that's you know
that could come really close to the United States. So
the thing is is that as that author, as that
journalist and historian, how do you deal with that going
(07:06):
I would say, put your bombs away and let let
it just happen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, So, so you know, there's a couple of different
questions in that. You know, when I was a kid,
I wanted to be a paleontologist. So the fact that
an asteroid slammed in the Earth and killed my dinosaurs
pisses me off. Yeah so so so you know, hey,
let's defend ourselves against you know, planet killing, you know, meteors.
(07:32):
I'm all in favor of that. But you know, this,
this nonsense that has been going on about this Atlas
comment just annoys the crap out of me, because you know,
it's this part of this threat narrative which which a
lot of the UFO people talk about, which is, hey,
UFOs are real, but the intelligence spooks are going to
(07:56):
try to scare you because they want to justify insane
amounts of spending to the defense contractors to defend us
against the threat from space, which the UFO people feel
is not real.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Wow, ten minutes with you is just not enough. I mean,
I wanted to dive into the Northern lights. I think
that they're guiding the aliens to the planet. I think
they're being used as a tool. I mean, I just
there's so much going on because the Northern lights are
being seen in the south and there's got to be
a reason why, and you are the man that's going
to have that answer. Well, you'd be brilliant today. Man.
It's always fun having a conversation with you, Sir, all right,
(08:34):
thanks so much, Erro
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