September 15, 2025 • 8 mins
Season Two Out Now. Law & Order: Criminal Justice System tells the real stories behind the landmark cases that have shaped how the most dangerous and influential criminals in America are prosecuted. In its second season, the series tackles the threat of terrorism in the United States. From the rise of extremist political groups in the 60s to domestic lone wolves in the modern day, we explore how organizations like the FBI and Joint Terrorism Take Force have evolved to fight back against a multitude of terrorist threats. EPISODES AVILABLE HERE:Https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-law-order-criminal-justic-201119451/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I got to tell you something. A year ago,
we all got together and we shared a conversation about
the podcast. We're going, oh my god, how is this
even possible. We're so used to seeing it on TV.
You guys have made it to a podcast this season.
I actually feel inside my heart the TV show needs
to learn from what you're doing because I'm able to
move throughout the house, move throughout the office and not
miss a beat. It's in the art of listening. And
(00:23):
that's the stage that you have built.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That is the beauty of the podcast. You know, for
someone that used to be in the courtroom having to
talk directly to people, and as you pointed out, like
that is with television. You have to be focused because
it's not just what you hear, it's what you see.
And I think that is why podcasts have exploded because
to your point, you could be doing something in the house,
you could be commuting to work, you could be going
(00:47):
for a run or whatever it is you're doing, but
you can get totally absorbed and not miss a thing
in the story that you're telling. And I really think
that is very freeing to people, and it's certainly well
worked well for us. And I also think it sounds
like I personally like to listen to podcasts in the car.
It's my favorite place, and there's just something very immersive
about it. And just I find myself sometimes getting into
(01:09):
these stories, whether it's my own for research or hearing
other people tell them for other podcasts, that I walk
away with a deeper something than when I see it
on TV, like I'm more vested somehow.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I swear to God that I sound like my grandmother.
My grandmother would never really speak words, she would just
sit there and go.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And I do that all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But I think that's because the imagination can't see the
facial expressions. Therefore we feel the emotion even more with
podcasts such as Law and Order.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And I think that when you and also it's like
you read a newspaper and you hear your story like, okay,
this is what it says. You watch it on television
and it's put together, you know, in a twelve second
clip or the way that someone wants it portrayed. But
when you are hearing from people that directly work these
cases or were impacted by these crimes, with obviously the
storytelling that I give is around it. It does like
(02:07):
it you when you can see someone smile without seeing
their face, because you can see it in there. You
could hear it in their voice. I think you can
hear a raw emotion that impacts you differently when that
is all that you have, as opposed to the visual,
which can be distracting. So I also think that it
is really it can pull you in in a different way.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
One of the things that you cover on this brand
new season is terrorism in America. Now I'm old enough
to remember that when I was back in elementary school,
I remember my science teacher telling me that terrorism is
now in America and that scared the bajeebis out of me,
and it's gotten worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Agreed, So we did them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We looked at the Mafia last season, and then we
kept saying, you know, terrorism, A lot of people don't
focus on it because again, you don't want to fear
longer and have people say like I don't want to
get out of bed with all the badness that's around me.
Were like, you know what, these things are happening, and
maybe we can talk about it in a different way,
because I do think the best way to prevent things
in the future is to understand them now, and we
really said, like, let's look at how terrorism has evolved
(03:10):
and how the criminal justice system in particular has also
evolved to tackle it as we've seen it all of
a sudden on American soil, which really started in the seventies.
A lot of terrorism back then was focused on making
a statement, you know, blowing up a building but purposely
with no one in it, you know, all awful damage.
But then it started to transform, you know, nineteen seventy
(03:32):
five when it was LaGuardia Airport or the Fonss Tavern
in New York City to people now are being targeted
in these attacks, and we all know unfortunately as recently
as it even in the last few weeks, in the
last years, it's only increased exponentially, and it is figuring out,
you know, looking at how it's evolved and how law
(03:54):
enforcement has to has had to evolve to try to
tackle the threat. But you know, also that that I
loved when we were doing is looking at all the
cases that we never heard about because law enforcement got
there before the attack happened, and they are doing that
every day.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So you bring up something that is so important here
is that at one point in time it was radical groups.
Now it's lone wolves. And when you sit back and
look at that, you're going, oh, well, wow, now I
have to start watching people.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Or a person right to your point, who maybe is
sitting in their room ruminating, you know whatever they're watching
or listening to via social media and writing in a book,
and there isn't a group to try to find that
thread of one that it really has changed the game,
and certainly not for the better. And it's been talking
(04:43):
to members of law enforcement about this different shift in
radicalizing that really unfortunately, the Internet has made much easier
for people that are vulnerable or more inclined to kind
of tilt their ideology and their beliefs in this kind
of twisted sense of what they need, which is what
(05:04):
most think they need to be doing this to further
their goals, and it's much harder to tackle it before
they strike.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Please do not move. There's more with Anna coming up next,
the name of the podcast Law and Order Criminal Justice System.
We are back with Anna, but you know what though
in a really weird way, only because I've been a
daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four. So when
I hear that people put all of their thoughts into
the paper, good, I'm glad you're getting it on paper.
But the problem is, though, we're also creating a disaster
(05:34):
when it comes to people fearing putting things on paper,
believing that the interpreter will come by and think that
they were writing something bad about somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean writing is a
great relief.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
As someone who wrote, you know, forever, I love journaling,
and I think it's a great way to if you're.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Mad about something and you write it down, you can
feel better. Right. But here it's almost in the inverse.
But that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All this stuff is so layered, right, which is also
I'm not in the courtroom prosecuting these cases, but I'm
still it's the thing I care most about. Which is
why I think I continue to try to talk about
them now in podcasting, is because there's so many things
that people should be thinking about. There's so many of
these men and women people that work in this world
that they should hear from and know about. It's the
people that are impacted that I want you to hear
(06:17):
directly from, as supposed to just have someone else talk
about it on television because I also think in community
and remembering that hopefully we should be a community, which
sometimes we're two divided. I think for different reasons, it's
the best way to make things better. Yeah, I'm still
a believer in the glass is more full than empty,
even though I work in a very dark world.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm a broadcast instructor. I have used your podcast as
a great example for so many reasons, And the main
important reason is not only the writing, because you have
to write everything down, but it's the pace, the pitch,
the volume, the tone, the pausing and that you guys
have mastered that art. Who gets credit for that? Does
that come naturally to you or is that your director saying, ah,
bring it down, bring it down.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It takes a village. I think it is the person
that you never hear about is the person that is
editing it in the back room to make sure that
it is spaced the right way. It's on my end,
it's having spoken to people and knowing just the way
that you intonate your voice, because it's that you need
people to absorb the information you're giving them. It is
our amazing producers and writers that get it all down
(07:22):
and I do think it's a sum of all our
parts that make it what it is. And it's certainly
a group that I'm proud to work with. And I think,
as it would all Wolf productions, they make sure that
they it's it's no holds barred, you know, to try
to get it right and to try to give the
audience the best experience, because I.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Mean, you guys have really mastered the art of not
just you know, putting out there a storyline, but you'll
make a statement and the statement comes out in such
a way that, I mean, here's what a good example
the threat that hides in plain sight. I'm still holding
on to that, and it was in the fewest amount
of words, and yet the impact is still with me.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean, you know better than anyone. Like it's the
art of the word right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Words are powerful when used wisely, and when we don't
give too many and says the lawyer who can tend
to overtalk, you know, it's like less is more sometimes,
and we lawyers in particular need to remember that. And
I think that's how people absorb information. It's the language
you use, it's the way you talk to them. But
I'm also a believer in straight talk, which is what
(08:26):
I've really loved about partnering with iHeart and Wolf Entertainment
for Criminal Justice, for law and order, because they too,
It's like, just tell the story the way it happened,
tell it straight, you know, we don't need to embellish
because it's very it's interesting, it's exciting in its true
to life form.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is and I
love how you are bringing the story forward in real conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I appreciate it and really nice talking to you. Thank
you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Rah, will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Okay, thank you
And I got to tell you something. A year ago,
we all got together and we shared a conversation about
the podcast. We're going, oh my god, how is this
even possible. We're so used to seeing it on TV.
You guys have made it to a podcast this season.
I actually feel inside my heart the TV show needs
to learn from what you're doing because I'm able to
move throughout the house, move throughout the office and not
miss a beat. It's in the art of listening. And
(00:23):
that's the stage that you have built.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That is the beauty of the podcast. You know, for
someone that used to be in the courtroom having to
talk directly to people, and as you pointed out, like
that is with television. You have to be focused because
it's not just what you hear, it's what you see.
And I think that is why podcasts have exploded because
to your point, you could be doing something in the house,
you could be commuting to work, you could be going
(00:47):
for a run or whatever it is you're doing, but
you can get totally absorbed and not miss a thing
in the story that you're telling. And I really think
that is very freeing to people, and it's certainly well
worked well for us. And I also think it sounds
like I personally like to listen to podcasts in the car.
It's my favorite place, and there's just something very immersive
about it. And just I find myself sometimes getting into
(01:09):
these stories, whether it's my own for research or hearing
other people tell them for other podcasts, that I walk
away with a deeper something than when I see it
on TV, like I'm more vested somehow.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I swear to God that I sound like my grandmother.
My grandmother would never really speak words, she would just
sit there and go.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And I do that all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But I think that's because the imagination can't see the
facial expressions. Therefore we feel the emotion even more with
podcasts such as Law and Order.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And I think that when you and also it's like
you read a newspaper and you hear your story like, okay,
this is what it says. You watch it on television
and it's put together, you know, in a twelve second
clip or the way that someone wants it portrayed. But
when you are hearing from people that directly work these
cases or were impacted by these crimes, with obviously the
storytelling that I give is around it. It does like
(02:07):
it you when you can see someone smile without seeing
their face, because you can see it in there. You
could hear it in their voice. I think you can
hear a raw emotion that impacts you differently when that
is all that you have, as opposed to the visual,
which can be distracting. So I also think that it
is really it can pull you in in a different way.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
One of the things that you cover on this brand
new season is terrorism in America. Now I'm old enough
to remember that when I was back in elementary school,
I remember my science teacher telling me that terrorism is
now in America and that scared the bajeebis out of me,
and it's gotten worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Agreed, So we did them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We looked at the Mafia last season, and then we
kept saying, you know, terrorism, A lot of people don't
focus on it because again, you don't want to fear
longer and have people say like I don't want to
get out of bed with all the badness that's around me.
Were like, you know what, these things are happening, and
maybe we can talk about it in a different way,
because I do think the best way to prevent things
in the future is to understand them now, and we
really said, like, let's look at how terrorism has evolved
(03:10):
and how the criminal justice system in particular has also
evolved to tackle it as we've seen it all of
a sudden on American soil, which really started in the seventies.
A lot of terrorism back then was focused on making
a statement, you know, blowing up a building but purposely
with no one in it, you know, all awful damage.
But then it started to transform, you know, nineteen seventy
(03:32):
five when it was LaGuardia Airport or the Fonss Tavern
in New York City to people now are being targeted
in these attacks, and we all know unfortunately as recently
as it even in the last few weeks, in the
last years, it's only increased exponentially, and it is figuring out,
you know, looking at how it's evolved and how law
(03:54):
enforcement has to has had to evolve to try to
tackle the threat. But you know, also that that I
loved when we were doing is looking at all the
cases that we never heard about because law enforcement got
there before the attack happened, and they are doing that
every day.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So you bring up something that is so important here
is that at one point in time it was radical groups.
Now it's lone wolves. And when you sit back and
look at that, you're going, oh, well, wow, now I
have to start watching people.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Or a person right to your point, who maybe is
sitting in their room ruminating, you know whatever they're watching
or listening to via social media and writing in a book,
and there isn't a group to try to find that
thread of one that it really has changed the game,
and certainly not for the better. And it's been talking
(04:43):
to members of law enforcement about this different shift in
radicalizing that really unfortunately, the Internet has made much easier
for people that are vulnerable or more inclined to kind
of tilt their ideology and their beliefs in this kind
of twisted sense of what they need, which is what
(05:04):
most think they need to be doing this to further
their goals, and it's much harder to tackle it before
they strike.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Please do not move. There's more with Anna coming up next,
the name of the podcast Law and Order Criminal Justice System.
We are back with Anna, but you know what though
in a really weird way, only because I've been a
daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four. So when
I hear that people put all of their thoughts into
the paper, good, I'm glad you're getting it on paper.
But the problem is, though, we're also creating a disaster
(05:34):
when it comes to people fearing putting things on paper,
believing that the interpreter will come by and think that
they were writing something bad about somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean writing is a
great relief.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
As someone who wrote, you know, forever, I love journaling,
and I think it's a great way to if you're.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Mad about something and you write it down, you can
feel better. Right. But here it's almost in the inverse.
But that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
All this stuff is so layered, right, which is also
I'm not in the courtroom prosecuting these cases, but I'm
still it's the thing I care most about. Which is
why I think I continue to try to talk about
them now in podcasting, is because there's so many things
that people should be thinking about. There's so many of
these men and women people that work in this world
that they should hear from and know about. It's the
people that are impacted that I want you to hear
(06:17):
directly from, as supposed to just have someone else talk
about it on television because I also think in community
and remembering that hopefully we should be a community, which
sometimes we're two divided. I think for different reasons, it's
the best way to make things better. Yeah, I'm still
a believer in the glass is more full than empty,
even though I work in a very dark world.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm a broadcast instructor. I have used your podcast as
a great example for so many reasons, And the main
important reason is not only the writing, because you have
to write everything down, but it's the pace, the pitch,
the volume, the tone, the pausing and that you guys
have mastered that art. Who gets credit for that? Does
that come naturally to you or is that your director saying, ah,
bring it down, bring it down.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It takes a village. I think it is the person
that you never hear about is the person that is
editing it in the back room to make sure that
it is spaced the right way. It's on my end,
it's having spoken to people and knowing just the way
that you intonate your voice, because it's that you need
people to absorb the information you're giving them. It is
our amazing producers and writers that get it all down
(07:22):
and I do think it's a sum of all our
parts that make it what it is. And it's certainly
a group that I'm proud to work with. And I think,
as it would all Wolf productions, they make sure that
they it's it's no holds barred, you know, to try
to get it right and to try to give the
audience the best experience, because I.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Mean, you guys have really mastered the art of not
just you know, putting out there a storyline, but you'll
make a statement and the statement comes out in such
a way that, I mean, here's what a good example
the threat that hides in plain sight. I'm still holding
on to that, and it was in the fewest amount
of words, and yet the impact is still with me.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I mean, you know better than anyone. Like it's the
art of the word right.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Words are powerful when used wisely, and when we don't
give too many and says the lawyer who can tend
to overtalk, you know, it's like less is more sometimes,
and we lawyers in particular need to remember that. And
I think that's how people absorb information. It's the language
you use, it's the way you talk to them. But
I'm also a believer in straight talk, which is what
(08:26):
I've really loved about partnering with iHeart and Wolf Entertainment
for Criminal Justice, for law and order, because they too,
It's like, just tell the story the way it happened,
tell it straight, you know, we don't need to embellish
because it's very it's interesting, it's exciting in its true
to life form.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is and I
love how you are bringing the story forward in real conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I appreciate it and really nice talking to you. Thank
you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Rah, will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Okay, thank you
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