November 5, 2025 • 6 mins
In the immediate aftermath of the Second World War, as the world grapples with the unveiled horrors of the Holocaust, U.S. Army psychiatrist Lt. Col. Douglas Kelley (Rami Malek) is assigned the extraordinary task of assessing the mental state of Hermann Göring (Russell Crowe), the notorious former Reichsmarschall and Hitler's second in command, along with other high-ranking Nazi officials. As the Allies - led by the unyielding chief U.S. prosecutor, Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson (Michael Shannon) alongside Sgt. Howie Triest (Leo Woodall), David Maxwell-Fyfe (Richard E. Grant), Gustave Gilbert (Colin Hanks), Col. John Amen (Mark O'Brien) and Burton C. Andrus (John Slattery) - navigate the monumental task of creating an unprecedented international tribunal to ensure the Nazi regime answers for its atrocities, Kelley gets to know his 'patients'. But he soon finds himself locked in a psychological duel with Göring, whose charisma and cunning reveal a sobering truth: that ordinary men can commit extraordinary evil.Here's the trailer:Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvAy9C-bipY
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that arow
dot net is the place to get all seventeen of
my podcast. You don't have to go to these streaming
outfits and sit there and say where did he say
he was? Again? Yeah, Ero dot net A R r
Oe dot net. Hello on good morning you two. How
are you doing great er?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I am so proud of the two of you putting
this together. And I'm gonna it's probably gonna be way
deeper than what I should be going. But my father
and my grandfather both fought in World War One and
World War Two. They did not tell me the stories.
I don't know who told them not to tell me
the stories, But I need stories like Numberg in the
way of trying to understand the way they thought, the
way that they did things, because, as my father used
(00:41):
to tell me all the time, in all wars, there
are liars, stealers, and cheaters, and this this movie proves
that true.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's thank you very much. I had
similar situation. Both my grandfathers were in World War Two,
so I grew up with the stories, not the horrible stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Obviously, when I was a kid wanted to keep that
from me, but that was definitely a big part of
their lives. And so I think for my generation, you know,
and probably your generation, it feels like, even though we
didn't live through it, it's a past we can sort
of reach out in touch and bringing it back to
life again with something that was very exciting for us.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Taking miness well, James, you make it seems so real
that I gotta tell you, I jump when I watch
these scenes because there are certain scenes in this because
I get so emotionally involved with what's going on. And
that's kudos to the actors and the writing and everybody
all the way down to the grips that made that possible.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, it was a great quaer. First of all, thank
you very much. And we wanted this film to feel
like a thriller. We want it to be emotionally involving.
You know, it's not just a history lesson. It's not
as a friend of mine calls them, spinach movies, where
you go, I guess I should watch the thing that's
supposed to be about and important. You know, we built
this as a thriller, and we built this to take
you on this emotional ride so that you care about
(01:57):
these characters, you care what they're going through, and so
when the dark moments come, and there are dark moments
in this movie, you know they affect you the way
that that that hopefully they should.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Please do not move. There's more with John Slattery and
James Vanderbilt coming up next. The name of the movie Nuremberg.
We are back with John Slattery and James Vanderbilt as
the actor. John, how did it affect you and did
you have to do some research before you jumped into
those shoes.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I did do research. The character I play wrote a
book of his own which I read, and obviously the
book on which the script is based.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And uh yeah, I mean you just try to sort
of pick elements of what actually happened that that.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
That fit and coincide with the story, because ultimately you're
acting the scenes written on the page and and trying
I'm you know, my job in this in this film
is is just to be a part of the telling
of this story. It isn't about me, and it isn't
it's not Colonel and Andris's story, but he provides a
(03:07):
function to the actual proceeding and it was sort of
my job to just contribute to the telling of the
overall story.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, even the trial scenes, I mean to me, I mean,
we have become such a true crime addicted generation, and
it's almost like it says, step back here and look
at this true crime. Go back here. It's more than
just what's going on the streets of where we are today.
But this affected the entire planet.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, And it was the first sort of media trial,
you know, which was sort of fascinating to me too.
It was you know, that courtroom was rebuilt because it
had been bombed out during the Nazis last stand in
the city, and was rebuilt to have camera in placements
wired for sound.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The lights they put in there were so bright that
the courtgoers were issued sunglasses, you know, because they had
to be that bright so the film cameras could get
to the right exposure. So the whole point of this
trial was to be recorded, to be memorialized, so that
people didn't forget or disbelieve the war crimes that have
been committed. It was also the first trial in history
(04:13):
where film footage was used to convict.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So it's sort of it's this fascinating kind of inflection
point in terms of legal history. Not only the first
international tribunal ever held, which basically meant the lawyers were
sort of building the airplane as they flew it. So
it's just an incredible moment in the history.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, John, you're sharing the screen with actual footage from
that era, and it's like, what was that like for
you to be able to be able to do that,
because we're talking about authenticity and then you've got to
come in and bring it forward where it all ties
together as a single unit.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know that footage that James just mentioned, that was
the first time that that was shown to the world,
and he asked us prior to shooting not to go
and seek out the footage because you could find it,
and I hadn't seen that particular you know, a chunk
of film. So we came into the courtroom, which, as
(05:12):
he said, was recreated to the exact dimensions. There were
three hundred or so Hungarian extras, of many of whom
were of a certain age where they were either there
for a lot of these events or certainly their friends
and family were. And we were shown this footage for
(05:33):
the first time, and four cameras were placed around the
room and so what you see, I think there's a
cut to me reacting to this footage is us is
me seeing it for the first time? And I mean
I think we were all trying to figure out, well,
are we supposed to act this? I mean, is this
How different would my reaction be from this characters? And
in the end you just sort of just sit there
(05:57):
and watch and it's certainly is stunning to say the least,
but those reactions are are what you see in the film.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wow, ten minutes with you, guys is just not enough.
But once again, I cannot thank you enough for this
movie and because it is going to bring people together
to finally talk about where we've been and how we
can learn from it in our present place of now.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Row you guys be brilliant today.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, thank you
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that arow
dot net is the place to get all seventeen of
my podcast. You don't have to go to these streaming
outfits and sit there and say where did he say
he was? Again? Yeah, Ero dot net A R r
Oe dot net. Hello on good morning you two. How
are you doing great er?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I am so proud of the two of you putting
this together. And I'm gonna it's probably gonna be way
deeper than what I should be going. But my father
and my grandfather both fought in World War One and
World War Two. They did not tell me the stories.
I don't know who told them not to tell me
the stories, But I need stories like Numberg in the
way of trying to understand the way they thought, the
way that they did things, because, as my father used
(00:41):
to tell me all the time, in all wars, there
are liars, stealers, and cheaters, and this this movie proves
that true.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's thank you very much. I had
similar situation. Both my grandfathers were in World War Two,
so I grew up with the stories, not the horrible stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Obviously, when I was a kid wanted to keep that
from me, but that was definitely a big part of
their lives. And so I think for my generation, you know,
and probably your generation, it feels like, even though we
didn't live through it, it's a past we can sort
of reach out in touch and bringing it back to
life again with something that was very exciting for us.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Taking miness well, James, you make it seems so real
that I gotta tell you, I jump when I watch
these scenes because there are certain scenes in this because
I get so emotionally involved with what's going on. And
that's kudos to the actors and the writing and everybody
all the way down to the grips that made that possible.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, it was a great quaer. First of all, thank
you very much. And we wanted this film to feel
like a thriller. We want it to be emotionally involving.
You know, it's not just a history lesson. It's not
as a friend of mine calls them, spinach movies, where
you go, I guess I should watch the thing that's
supposed to be about and important. You know, we built
this as a thriller, and we built this to take
you on this emotional ride so that you care about
(01:57):
these characters, you care what they're going through, and so
when the dark moments come, and there are dark moments
in this movie, you know they affect you the way
that that that hopefully they should.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Please do not move. There's more with John Slattery and
James Vanderbilt coming up next. The name of the movie Nuremberg.
We are back with John Slattery and James Vanderbilt as
the actor. John, how did it affect you and did
you have to do some research before you jumped into
those shoes.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I did do research. The character I play wrote a
book of his own which I read, and obviously the
book on which the script is based.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And uh yeah, I mean you just try to sort
of pick elements of what actually happened that that.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
That fit and coincide with the story, because ultimately you're
acting the scenes written on the page and and trying
I'm you know, my job in this in this film
is is just to be a part of the telling
of this story. It isn't about me, and it isn't
it's not Colonel and Andris's story, but he provides a
(03:07):
function to the actual proceeding and it was sort of
my job to just contribute to the telling of the
overall story.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, even the trial scenes, I mean to me, I mean,
we have become such a true crime addicted generation, and
it's almost like it says, step back here and look
at this true crime. Go back here. It's more than
just what's going on the streets of where we are today.
But this affected the entire planet.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, And it was the first sort of media trial,
you know, which was sort of fascinating to me too.
It was you know, that courtroom was rebuilt because it
had been bombed out during the Nazis last stand in
the city, and was rebuilt to have camera in placements
wired for sound.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The lights they put in there were so bright that
the courtgoers were issued sunglasses, you know, because they had
to be that bright so the film cameras could get
to the right exposure. So the whole point of this
trial was to be recorded, to be memorialized, so that
people didn't forget or disbelieve the war crimes that have
been committed. It was also the first trial in history
(04:13):
where film footage was used to convict.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So it's sort of it's this fascinating kind of inflection
point in terms of legal history. Not only the first
international tribunal ever held, which basically meant the lawyers were
sort of building the airplane as they flew it. So
it's just an incredible moment in the history.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, John, you're sharing the screen with actual footage from
that era, and it's like, what was that like for
you to be able to be able to do that,
because we're talking about authenticity and then you've got to
come in and bring it forward where it all ties
together as a single unit.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know that footage that James just mentioned, that was
the first time that that was shown to the world,
and he asked us prior to shooting not to go
and seek out the footage because you could find it,
and I hadn't seen that particular you know, a chunk
of film. So we came into the courtroom, which, as
(05:12):
he said, was recreated to the exact dimensions. There were
three hundred or so Hungarian extras, of many of whom
were of a certain age where they were either there
for a lot of these events or certainly their friends
and family were. And we were shown this footage for
(05:33):
the first time, and four cameras were placed around the
room and so what you see, I think there's a
cut to me reacting to this footage is us is
me seeing it for the first time? And I mean
I think we were all trying to figure out, well,
are we supposed to act this? I mean, is this
How different would my reaction be from this characters? And
in the end you just sort of just sit there
(05:57):
and watch and it's certainly is stunning to say the least,
but those reactions are are what you see in the film.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wow, ten minutes with you, guys is just not enough.
But once again, I cannot thank you enough for this
movie and because it is going to bring people together
to finally talk about where we've been and how we
can learn from it in our present place of now.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Row you guys be brilliant today.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, thank you
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