December 31, 2025 • 26 mins
People don’t need a reinvention, they need a reason. Peter shows how identifying your personal “call” can create lasting motivation and transform the way you approach life’s challenges.Peter, President of The Prouty Project, TEDx speaker, global strategist, and author of The Epic of You, helps people apply the Heroic Journey Mindset to everyday life, a modern, practical take on Joseph Campbell’s classic monomyth. After decades of working around the world and surviving malaria, a tropical ulcer, and a near fall into a Saharan well, Peter learned that challenges aren’t detours, they’re training grounds. His approach helps people see their past not as a list of failures but as a chapter in a larger heroic story, and equips them to step into their next chapter with clarity, courage, and purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You think life is moving quickly. I've got a decade's
worth of conversations with everybody who's appeared on NBC's The Voice.
You can check them all out one place, Arrow dot net,
a r r Oe dot net. It's the podcast titled
That Voice. Hello and good morning. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hrah? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Peter Bailey here?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Peter Bailey, You've got a book here that if it's
not changing lives, I'm gonna have to tip this whole
entire planet up because you you are really bringing some
things in here that serve as a great tool as
we bust open a brand new year.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh I am so glad to hear you say that.
And by the way, I love your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I saw Casey Kasem was.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Something you were gonna follow and I thought you are
the only guy who could do that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well, Oh, thank you so much for that, you know,
and to be up for American Top forty in nineteen
eighty eight was such a you know, it's to me,
it really goes along with what your book is about
the epic of you, because it really if you don't
have any trust, love and support for what you're doing
and what you believe in our daily gifts are not
They're planted inside of us. We either accept it or
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we don't. And so so Casey was one of those impacts.
You walk into the studio and Casey's autograph is right there.
I touch it every single day before I come into
this room.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh that's cool. I love that. I'm from New York,
so I grew up with all that. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh my god, Well how did you get involved with
writing books and stories and connections with people? Because so
many times we live in this introvert world where people
just don't want to share. But here comes Peter. I
got a book here. It's called The Epic of You,
and you need to know it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, you know, I'm a people person, as are you,
I imagine, And you know one of my favorite sayings
is that you know, life is about the people you
meet and the experiences you have and what you do
about them. True and good things happen. Bad things happen,
and we tend to categorize them that way. It wasn't
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until I realized that I was separating the bad things
out when I realized, wait, some of these really helped me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Some of these gave me a honey to.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
My heart who gave me compassion, and others made me
stronger and gave me resilience, and those gave me what
I call strength to my stored arm. So why wouldn't
I put all those together?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Arrow? And that's why the epic of you came.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's like each of our lives is an epic, and
some people don't see that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But we got one shot, so let's make it the
best one see.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And that's one of the reasons why I love this book,
because I mean, one of the things that I did
during the lockdown was I went and got a job
at a grocery store because I just wanted to be
with people. And now I sit there and I go,
why am I working at a grocery store. I don't
need to, And then my heart says, because you want
to meet the people that have been your listeners for
forty years. And I'm going, that's it, that's it. They
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know things that I don't know. But if I listen, then,
my God, Peter, I mean, we're on a path.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Here, absolutely, absolutely, My kids, all that sort of wonder
my interactivity with other people. I remember stopping in the
New Jersey turnpikeing offering Twizzler sticks to the guy in
the in the toll booths and they're saying, why are
you talking to the guy in the toll booth?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I said, because he's in a toll booth.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
He's locked in there every day, and let's let's make
it brighten his day a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Tell him a joe, give him a twizzler.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, what is it about us as we start
to get older in life that it's like I'll look
at somebody at a Chick fil A and say, I
want to be the one that says it would be
my pleasure, it would be my pleasure to help you
get that chicken sandwich today. And even with the toll road,
I sat here and giggled like a child because I
want I want that job. I want to be able
to say I'm that guy I let you go to
your next level of travel.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Right, And it really is how do I make my
next interaction with this person a better interaction? How do
we brighten their day? How do I let them brighten
my day? You know, it's it's really about people.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How important are you using names? Because knocking on somebody's
heart to say, look, I'm tired of calling you dude,
and hey and yo, what's up? What is your name?
So I can say, Johnny Man, where have you been?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, it's funny you call that out because when I
work with corporate groups and we work with strategic planning
and leadership development and for the last seventeen years and
with one company with the Proudy Project, and I've done
it for forty five years, one of the things that
you arrow is to make sure that everybody in the
room knows that I know who they are. So, probably
up to a group of about forty people, I'll memorize
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everyone's name in the first two minutes, and then I'll
go around and I'll say, okay, before we get started,
I just want you to know that I know who
you are. And I'll go around the room and call
out their first names, and they're all like, give me
a round of applause, and then I sort of joke
and say, yep, that's all I got. But then I'll say,
you know what, how many do you say.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In your in your heads?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I can't imrized forty names, and of course everybody's name,
everybody's hand goes up, and I say, you know what,
neither can I until it made it important, And it
was really about that hook of we can do these things.
It's not a parlor trick. We can do these things
when we make it important.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
How important are nicknames? Since we're on this subject right now,
because I mean, even even with the people that I
work with, I won't sit there and say Erin.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I won't say Nelly, but I'll go now, I'll go Ernie.
She goes, why do you call me Ernie? Because you know,
Aaron just sounds like Ernie just sounds say that if
you were a guy, your name would be Ernie, not Aaron.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think nicknames are great
if they're positive.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But when I was teaching in South.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Front High School, there was a girl the nicknamed because
of the way her mouth was configured. They call her
Froggy ohh. And I was like, I will not call
this girl Froggy. And I called her her real name.
And I think that, you know, I learned early on
that teasing is an unsubtle form of aggression. So if
it's a negative nickname, I will not use it. But
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if it's a positive one, or it's a term of endearment, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You bring up some tools here that we all know of,
but we need someone like yourself to come knock me
upside the head. I mean you're talking about clarity, courage,
and purpose and that word purpose because we hear it
all the time. I don't know what my purpose is
in life? Yes, you do. You do know what it is,
you just choose not to chase it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I go back to Richard Lighter, who wrote the forward
of this book, and it's really a national speaker on purpose,
and he really helps us look at you know, we
are here for a reason, and it's not usually a
self based reason. It's for other people, whether it's our families,
our immediate community, our neighborhood. What is the gift we
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can bring to others? And I think that's the beginning
of purpose, is when we get out of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Do you believe in the philosophy that people are not
happy to see me, They're just happy that I saw them.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, now that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I do think we have to look at what is the.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Innerchange and if we if that person is limited enough
to only be seen by us, then I'll go to that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Sure. Let me let me use the names, and I'll
help you there.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And but I do think that there's levels of evolution
we can get to. If if they get beyond themselves,
I think they will actually have a better richer life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Peter, You've got to be going crazy with today's working
society because it's you know, no call, no shows has
become the acceptable. And we're in this this age where
if we're challenged by something, the first thing we want
to do is we want to shift gears and drop everything,
leave your team behind, and and and go and try
to do something else and then go through the same
exact experience at whatever job you've chosen to go to.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, well, you know, I did my Masters on the
Heroic Journey, which of course is all through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The book The Effort of You.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yes, and I did it on Bill Bridge's Change Management,
and he talks about endings and then that middle part
of ambiguity is called the neutral zone, and then there's
the new beginning. And my thesis is really on you
know what, we don't take much time in that neutral zone.
We tend to jump from an ending right away to
a new beginning. And my thesis is really that if
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we took more time in that middle zone, we would
have a better newer experience. In fact, to be honest,
if we go too quickly to that new beginning, that
new beginnings tend to look like our old endings. So
why not build more of a buffer and also give
people a permission, you know, note to go out and
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have more time between their old job and their new job.
Figure out what it is you want to do. In fact,
probably something completely different. If you've been working with people,
go work with plants. You know. I worked in New
York City as a social work an urban youth leader,
and when I took a break, I would go do carpentry.
And I would do carpentry in the city apartments in
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New York City or in Rhode Island. And I think
part of it is to try out the other muscles
in our or other tools and our toolkit.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, see that That's where I get in more arguments
with myself, because I don't think the Google calendar is
big enough. I mean, I can still put stuff on
there and then it say people going, you're always busy.
I'm not busy. That calendar is what keeps me busy,
but it's I don't look at it as being busy.
I call it being active.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Right right, And I think as long as we're doing
it in a way that again I talk about John
cabot Zen in mindfulness. If I'm taking some time, taking
a deep breath, sifting to the next thing, and doing it, well,
you can do fifty things in a day. But if
I try to do them all the same time, that multitasking,
I think is the bane of our existence.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Please do not move. There's more with Peter Bailey coming
up next. The name of his book, The Epic of You.
We are back with Peter Bailey.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
How do you feel about defragging? And defragging is what
what I do in just a regular tablet or a
yellow tablet, And it says you ask yourself the questions
and question the answers. Because I am convinced that we
waste a lot of time asking other people who've never
worn our shoes. We ask them questions, what would you do?
I don't know, I've never worn your shoes, you know?
And so do you think that maybe we need to
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start asking ourselves our own personal questions?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah? And I'm terrible at that too.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
For I can coach, I can coach somebody else through
their life. But if I asked me my own question,
I really have to take a deep breath and hold
my feet to the fire and say, you know what,
don't squirm out of this one.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Answer the question.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And when I give myself that quiet time to do that,
then I actually would get somewhere. And that's why I
heard you were a journaler is one of your previous
podcast and you've been writing all your life and I
have to. And I think that's where if you can't
answer the question or sit still to do it, write
it down, just start doodling on paper.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And what's the weather today? Is the time today?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'm in a doctor's office today, and then what am
I feeling today is more likely.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To come up. Yep, if I start those prompts a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you don't see ink on my hands when we
meet and I shake your hand, then you better check
my ID to find out if it's really me, Because
you're right. I just wish more people would pick up
a writing instrument, and don't call it a pen. You
get a pan from a dang drug store. You need
a writing instruments because it's going inside of you to
get that onto that paper where you can learn more
about that person on the inside of you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, and that's great. I've written with pencil, which I love.
I've written with purple crayon. I love mont Blanc pens,
you know, like, yeah, get a good pen, buy yourself
a good pen, buy yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I've got stacks of journals.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think part of it is that we don't go
back to the art of writing. I've got terrible handwriting,
but I love to write, and so I think part
of it is to let yourself just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, one of the things that you invite people to
do in the Epic of You is to explore their
own personal journeys in the way of you know, I mean,
you've got to pass. Most people are not proud of
their past because they should have. They should have found
victory somewhere around eighteen to twenty one. But you know what,
there is so much victory in our past. Why is
it we choose not to look at it?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And you know, I write this as the epic of You,
because it's not the epic of Peter.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's the epic of you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Would love people to look at the heroic journey and
begin to see those touch points of when did they
make a choice to do something hard, whether it's a
five K or to change countries to try a new job.
Those are turning points that are significant, and then we
need to use our allies to help us decide if
that's the right thing. And at some point we're a
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bump against the guardians of the gate. Those are those
barriers that push us back, and if we stay with it,
we will go through a hard part of that journey
and then come out with some type of achievement. But
to your point, I think we sometimes forget that our
daily lives can be heroic journeys. If you are getting
up every day as a single parent and going to
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a job, dropping your kids off at daycare, picking them
up at the end of a cold day, going to
a laundromat washing your clothes, that's heroic arrow, And I
think people don't give themselves enough credit for huge things
like what you are doing for your family or a
neighbor who you're making soup for.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So is that your way of saying that maybe we
should stop sweating the small stuff and start accepting the
small stuff as little days of victory which become big
things that we accomplish.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Today, absolutely, And I think it's also going back to
some of that mindfulness of chopping wood, carrying water. What
is the simple thing of looking out, feeding the birds
out in a bird feeder, of taking the neighbor's dog
for a walk, taking your dog, Like, what can we
do that's simplify?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
There are some.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Big things of Hey, I really want to go do
this big thing. Great that can be also a huge
heroic journey. But I too often think that people think
that they don't have heroic journey lives. And I think
we need to go back and do some of that
reframing that I talk about in the Book of Anything
that was painful and hard in our lives? Was there
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as a teacher? And what have we learned from that
so that we can actually go forward with some better choices.
I talk about experiential aed being the maturation of choice.
How can I improve my choices so that my choice
making is better and I've got better choices from which
to pick?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Are people afraid of their choices?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know? I think they often don't understand them. Oh yeah,
and I think that they you know, we don't always
know what is it? Consequences every choice is a consequence.
You've heard the saying we live our choices, So you know,
whether you're drinking or not drinking, smoking or not smoking,
running or not running, those are choices.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know. There's a wonderful writer out there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
If you have an interviewed her yet, go find her,
Jody Wellman, who says, do it before.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You don't So true, and I love that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's such a haunting phrase because there are so many
little voices in my head that we'll say, don't do it,
or I'll do it later. And it's so powerful to
have a sense of what are my choices? And am
I happy with those choices? And is that leading me
a more fulfilling life?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Should we be asking questions in the way? Because I
do a show that's called The Daily Mess, and one
of the lines that I put on there is is
that I'll sit there and I'll say, if I'm not
asking questions, then then how am I so expected to grow?
Because if we don't make those green. I'll give you
good example. My deck is twenty three feet off the
forest floor. I need to go out there and replace
some boards. Why am I not replacing those boards because
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I'm afraid of failure. How many people are like me
that won't do something so simple because they know if
I fail, then the guy that wants thirteen hundred dollars
is going to come here anyway. But we need to fail.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, and I like to try things. So I have
replaced more deck boards.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And do they look perfect now? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And and well that brand new wood look like the
gray wood. Well, I learned a secret that if you
take metal nails, not galvanized nails, but iron nails and
put them in a quart of vinegar and paint that
brand new wood with the vinegar and nail water, it'll
dye the wood the color of the gray, and it
blends it in crick I know. So there's lots of
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cool tricks out there to actually help you, you know,
figure out how to cut wood, to do it the
right way. I want to live this life learning fourteen
hundred things, not just things. You know you too, I've
played polo, I've gotten scuba certified. I'm a rock climber.
I roast coffee. You know everybody should do. That kind
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of thing is try out all your colors before you're dead.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, you bring up that reinvention kind of thing, now now,
of course, right away, I start going back to the
Madonnas of the world and those that have tried reinvention
and then haven't done well, what is that? Is it
because we're not finding a reason or a season in
that reinvention.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, you know, I think we're so hard on our
people who are famous. You know, actors can't do something
other than act and if we ever see them at
a costco or a grocery store store, we think they've
fallen from grace. It's like, oh my gosh, we are
so hard on our people of visible leadership.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't know all the details of Madonna's story, but
you know, we should be able to sing and dance
and write books and go quietly into the woods and
you know, raised dogs who cares, you know, But we
don't let our people to change their lives. But I
think the good news about being more invisible. The less
famous I am, the more choices I have.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Probably I love talking with people of acting in music
and things like that especially, And one of the reasons
why I don't do the zoom is because things happen
on a zoom camera that the rest of the world
does not need to see. I was with an Oscar
winner last week and she was just picking her nose
and I thought, that'll never be seen. I get to
see it because she's on the zoom. But my god,
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thank you for being human, because you are making my day,
miss nose picker.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Absolutely absolutely, And I think that's the humanness that we
don't give ourselves the benefit of. You know, we used
to judge the person who goes out to the newspaper
and their bathrobe, and I'm guilty of.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That too, and it's like, why not, why can't they?
You know, that's one of those things. If you asked me,
what would.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You tell your younger self, it would probably be to
not worry about what people think quite so much, because
I've been terrorized by that all my life and I
got it from my family, you know. And so because
of that, I'm judging, and then I judge others and
I take a deep breath. That's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Do you think our situations at work when it comes
to bad attitudes, because we do bump into that, even
in our neighborhoods and stuff like that. Do you think
the answer on that is to I always say, kill
them with kindness. If they're giving you a bad attitude,
don't feed the attitude. Say something positive and get them
onto a different track.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well I do. I think that's probably you're now. Am
I able to do it all the time? Not always?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But if I'm in my best self, I would like
to If somebody says something harsh to me, I might
say something a little de escalating, like I'm sorry you
feel that way, yeah, or well that's an opinion I
don't hold. Rather than taking immediate aim at them, I'll
try to de escalate or walk away. But it does
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require it does require being fairly attuned to your best
self that day two. Because if their bad self bumps
my bad self, we've got a problem.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, Because I've been known to tell people I'll look
at somebody deep in the eyes and say, how much
do I owe you for that? What do you mean? Well,
my god, if I'm going to go to a psychotherapist
and they're going to give me their opinion and I
have to pay them, I might as well pay you
for your opinion too. Oh my god, thank you so
much for being here today.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I think humor is a great way to sometimes, like
you know, challenging situations and I even mentioned that in
the book when I was in Africa whether throwing rocks,
that these kids are throwing rocks at us. Yeah, And
it was escalating very rapidly to this could go badly,
and and I just jumped up and down like a pogo.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Stick, going boying, boying, boying.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And it just completely changed the nature of the experience.
And all the kids in the villager are jumping up
and down going boing boing boing. You know, will to
we keep that sense of imagination to do what you
say and say, hey, that's better than therapy today, you know, like,
how can I keep that you know alive?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That would be helpful.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I've had a guy that's probably in his mid sixties
that hates it because I wear my hair. Every once
in a while, I'll wear my hair down and my
hair is in the middle of my back. Why Because
I'm sixty three and I have hair, so I wear
it long. And he goes, he says, I've never seen
a more homeless looking person than you, And I go, Wow,
my god, how am I going to react to this?
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But we have become so open with our opinion of others.
Why do we feel like they have to have the
upper hand.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, well, and I think we tend to in our
society also go to that one negative voice. You know,
a thousand people love you in the room, and the
one person who's got his arms crossed, you know, mad.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Dog in you. We go there and say, hey, what
didn't you like? Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I don't know whether it was Johnny Depp or someone else,
somebody who said what people think of me as none
of my business.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I try to adopt that because I don't. I'm
not very good at it. I do care more than
I should. I think that's when you hear that from somebody.
The next time it might be Wow, I'm sorry you
feel that way, and I'm sorry you feel like you
need to tell people your critical thinking, because that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You've got a number, and I'm into reading numbers and things,
but you you have a number here that is very
symbolic in your life. And right away, of course I
had to think of Taylor Swift because she did something
with the number twenty two, and right away I'm thinking
to myself it subliminally a Peter sitting here saying, maybe
you need to go back to your daily writing and
find out what were you doing at twenty two and
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maybe I mean, what what does twenty two represent to
your soul?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, you know I got sober at twenty one and
or twenty two. Yeah, I got sober twenty two. It
was August twenty first.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And so the twenty one twenty two is important for me.
And that's a long time ago. I'm sixty six and
to be able to have gotten enough messages from the
Cosmos that this wasn't working well for me is amazing.
And I think that those messages are available to anybody
who wants to make a big change in their life.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's just a.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Question of are we done, have we had enough? Are
we ready to start another way of living? And that
was significant for me at twenty two, and I hope
for other people who were at the point of you know,
they say that you hit bottom when you stop digging.
I got played of the digging, and when I laid
the shovel down, things changed. And the Cosmos does conspire
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on your behalf. When you make that type of major
shift in your consciousness.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Why are you not hosting podcast TV shows and doing
something where I mean, what is it? I mean, how
can we get people to you, in other words, to
where they can hear those vocal tones. Maybe it's a
radio thing inside of me, but I mean, pitch, volume
and tone are everything. Or do you want them to
put focus on the interpretation of what they see on
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the pages of the epic of you.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I'd love to do podcasts, and you're clearly a wizard
at it, so I could learn a lot from you.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Arrow.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Your tone is fabulous, your energy is fabulous, your questions
are fabulous. I would love to do more of this,
so I will. I'll talk with the offline.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We'll follow up on miss Yeah, because you definitely have something,
because we have.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And the thing about it is, though, is that, and
I'm sure that you've run into this, Peter, is that
timing is everything. And what I mean by that is
is that if I can get the attention of somebody
from seven to twenty five to thirty minutes, we have
a home run. But if we're gonna Joe Rogan the
Monkey and go two hours, I feel sorry for those
people at one thirty into that story.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I think I picture this being a commuting
you know, classroom.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, Yes, And you've got a half hour to forty
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's do something that's a pattern interrupt, you know, change
their thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What's the golden.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Nugget they can take today in the commuting classroom. That
is an opportunity to change my way of being to
the very next person I meet coming out of my car,
and that would be great.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow. Where can people go to find out more about you?
Because I really do want them to jump on your path?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
On My website is www dot peterdash Bailey dot com,
and I welcome interaction. I've got a Ted talk there.
I've got some podcasts. Your podcast I will post as
soon as it's live. And I love the work you're
doing and I love how you keep it moving and
you bring cool things to the to the people, So
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I'll keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
What's your power color?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh? Green? Oh? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What are you doing doing these which your months when
nothing's green out there?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't know what that is. I bought an old
Porsche and Boxer.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It's a rainforest metallic green and it's just a good
cool color. So I don't know what that means other
than let's keep things green in the world too, even
though we're full of snow right now.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh my god, you got to come back to this
show anytime in the future.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Peter.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The door is always gonna be open. If you get
a wild hair, you just gotta say, I'm gonna call erro,
I'm gonna run with this and see if we can
just get people and then direct them to your website
and all that kind of stuff. Use it as a tool,
because that's what I love about podcasting versus terrestrial radio.
It's a tool. It's not an entertainment piece.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, let's let's coin the commuting plasterom term and let's
do more of these.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
This is great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Okay, you too, and thanks for the sunny energy on
the phone on the radio.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
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That Voice. Hello and good morning. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hrah? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Peter Bailey here?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Peter Bailey, You've got a book here that if it's
not changing lives, I'm gonna have to tip this whole
entire planet up because you you are really bringing some
things in here that serve as a great tool as
we bust open a brand new year.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh I am so glad to hear you say that.
And by the way, I love your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I saw Casey Kasem was.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Something you were gonna follow and I thought you are
the only guy who could do that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well, Oh, thank you so much for that, you know,
and to be up for American Top forty in nineteen
eighty eight was such a you know, it's to me,
it really goes along with what your book is about
the epic of you, because it really if you don't
have any trust, love and support for what you're doing
and what you believe in our daily gifts are not
They're planted inside of us. We either accept it or
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we don't. And so so Casey was one of those impacts.
You walk into the studio and Casey's autograph is right there.
I touch it every single day before I come into
this room.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh that's cool. I love that. I'm from New York,
so I grew up with all that. That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh my god, Well how did you get involved with
writing books and stories and connections with people? Because so
many times we live in this introvert world where people
just don't want to share. But here comes Peter. I
got a book here. It's called The Epic of You,
and you need to know it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, you know, I'm a people person, as are you,
I imagine, And you know one of my favorite sayings
is that you know, life is about the people you
meet and the experiences you have and what you do
about them. True and good things happen. Bad things happen,
and we tend to categorize them that way. It wasn't
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until I realized that I was separating the bad things
out when I realized, wait, some of these really helped me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Some of these gave me a honey to.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
My heart who gave me compassion, and others made me
stronger and gave me resilience, and those gave me what
I call strength to my stored arm. So why wouldn't
I put all those together?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Arrow? And that's why the epic of you came.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's like each of our lives is an epic, and
some people don't see that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But we got one shot, so let's make it the
best one see.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And that's one of the reasons why I love this book,
because I mean, one of the things that I did
during the lockdown was I went and got a job
at a grocery store because I just wanted to be
with people. And now I sit there and I go,
why am I working at a grocery store. I don't
need to, And then my heart says, because you want
to meet the people that have been your listeners for
forty years. And I'm going, that's it, that's it. They
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know things that I don't know. But if I listen, then,
my God, Peter, I mean, we're on a path.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Here, absolutely, absolutely, My kids, all that sort of wonder
my interactivity with other people. I remember stopping in the
New Jersey turnpikeing offering Twizzler sticks to the guy in
the in the toll booths and they're saying, why are
you talking to the guy in the toll booth?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I said, because he's in a toll booth.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
He's locked in there every day, and let's let's make
it brighten his day a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Tell him a joe, give him a twizzler.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, what is it about us as we start
to get older in life that it's like I'll look
at somebody at a Chick fil A and say, I
want to be the one that says it would be
my pleasure, it would be my pleasure to help you
get that chicken sandwich today. And even with the toll road,
I sat here and giggled like a child because I
want I want that job. I want to be able
to say I'm that guy I let you go to
your next level of travel.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Right, And it really is how do I make my
next interaction with this person a better interaction? How do
we brighten their day? How do I let them brighten
my day? You know, it's it's really about people.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How important are you using names? Because knocking on somebody's
heart to say, look, I'm tired of calling you dude,
and hey and yo, what's up? What is your name?
So I can say, Johnny Man, where have you been?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, it's funny you call that out because when I
work with corporate groups and we work with strategic planning
and leadership development and for the last seventeen years and
with one company with the Proudy Project, and I've done
it for forty five years, one of the things that
you arrow is to make sure that everybody in the
room knows that I know who they are. So, probably
up to a group of about forty people, I'll memorize
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everyone's name in the first two minutes, and then I'll
go around and I'll say, okay, before we get started,
I just want you to know that I know who
you are. And I'll go around the room and call
out their first names, and they're all like, give me
a round of applause, and then I sort of joke
and say, yep, that's all I got. But then I'll say,
you know what, how many do you say.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In your in your heads?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I can't imrized forty names, and of course everybody's name,
everybody's hand goes up, and I say, you know what,
neither can I until it made it important, And it
was really about that hook of we can do these things.
It's not a parlor trick. We can do these things
when we make it important.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
How important are nicknames? Since we're on this subject right now,
because I mean, even even with the people that I
work with, I won't sit there and say Erin.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I won't say Nelly, but I'll go now, I'll go Ernie.
She goes, why do you call me Ernie? Because you know,
Aaron just sounds like Ernie just sounds say that if
you were a guy, your name would be Ernie, not Aaron.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think nicknames are great
if they're positive.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
But when I was teaching in South.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Front High School, there was a girl the nicknamed because
of the way her mouth was configured. They call her
Froggy ohh. And I was like, I will not call
this girl Froggy. And I called her her real name.
And I think that, you know, I learned early on
that teasing is an unsubtle form of aggression. So if
it's a negative nickname, I will not use it. But
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if it's a positive one, or it's a term of endearment, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You bring up some tools here that we all know of,
but we need someone like yourself to come knock me
upside the head. I mean you're talking about clarity, courage,
and purpose and that word purpose because we hear it
all the time. I don't know what my purpose is
in life? Yes, you do. You do know what it is,
you just choose not to chase it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I go back to Richard Lighter, who wrote the forward
of this book, and it's really a national speaker on purpose,
and he really helps us look at you know, we
are here for a reason, and it's not usually a
self based reason. It's for other people, whether it's our families,
our immediate community, our neighborhood. What is the gift we
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can bring to others? And I think that's the beginning
of purpose, is when we get out of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Do you believe in the philosophy that people are not
happy to see me, They're just happy that I saw them.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, now that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I do think we have to look at what is the.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Innerchange and if we if that person is limited enough
to only be seen by us, then I'll go to that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Sure. Let me let me use the names, and I'll
help you there.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And but I do think that there's levels of evolution
we can get to. If if they get beyond themselves,
I think they will actually have a better richer life.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Peter, You've got to be going crazy with today's working
society because it's you know, no call, no shows has
become the acceptable. And we're in this this age where
if we're challenged by something, the first thing we want
to do is we want to shift gears and drop everything,
leave your team behind, and and and go and try
to do something else and then go through the same
exact experience at whatever job you've chosen to go to.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, well, you know, I did my Masters on the
Heroic Journey, which of course is all through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The book The Effort of You.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yes, and I did it on Bill Bridge's Change Management,
and he talks about endings and then that middle part
of ambiguity is called the neutral zone, and then there's
the new beginning. And my thesis is really on you
know what, we don't take much time in that neutral zone.
We tend to jump from an ending right away to
a new beginning. And my thesis is really that if
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we took more time in that middle zone, we would
have a better newer experience. In fact, to be honest,
if we go too quickly to that new beginning, that
new beginnings tend to look like our old endings. So
why not build more of a buffer and also give
people a permission, you know, note to go out and
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have more time between their old job and their new job.
Figure out what it is you want to do. In fact,
probably something completely different. If you've been working with people,
go work with plants. You know. I worked in New
York City as a social work an urban youth leader,
and when I took a break, I would go do carpentry.
And I would do carpentry in the city apartments in
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New York City or in Rhode Island. And I think
part of it is to try out the other muscles
in our or other tools and our toolkit.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, see that That's where I get in more arguments
with myself, because I don't think the Google calendar is
big enough. I mean, I can still put stuff on
there and then it say people going, you're always busy.
I'm not busy. That calendar is what keeps me busy,
but it's I don't look at it as being busy.
I call it being active.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Right right, And I think as long as we're doing
it in a way that again I talk about John
cabot Zen in mindfulness. If I'm taking some time, taking
a deep breath, sifting to the next thing, and doing it, well,
you can do fifty things in a day. But if
I try to do them all the same time, that multitasking,
I think is the bane of our existence.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Please do not move. There's more with Peter Bailey coming
up next. The name of his book, The Epic of You.
We are back with Peter Bailey.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
How do you feel about defragging? And defragging is what
what I do in just a regular tablet or a
yellow tablet, And it says you ask yourself the questions
and question the answers. Because I am convinced that we
waste a lot of time asking other people who've never
worn our shoes. We ask them questions, what would you do?
I don't know, I've never worn your shoes, you know?
And so do you think that maybe we need to
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start asking ourselves our own personal questions?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah? And I'm terrible at that too.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
For I can coach, I can coach somebody else through
their life. But if I asked me my own question,
I really have to take a deep breath and hold
my feet to the fire and say, you know what,
don't squirm out of this one.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Answer the question.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And when I give myself that quiet time to do that,
then I actually would get somewhere. And that's why I
heard you were a journaler is one of your previous
podcast and you've been writing all your life and I
have to. And I think that's where if you can't
answer the question or sit still to do it, write
it down, just start doodling on paper.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And what's the weather today? Is the time today?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'm in a doctor's office today, and then what am
I feeling today is more likely.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To come up. Yep, if I start those prompts a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
If you don't see ink on my hands when we
meet and I shake your hand, then you better check
my ID to find out if it's really me, Because
you're right. I just wish more people would pick up
a writing instrument, and don't call it a pen. You
get a pan from a dang drug store. You need
a writing instruments because it's going inside of you to
get that onto that paper where you can learn more
about that person on the inside of you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, and that's great. I've written with pencil, which I love.
I've written with purple crayon. I love mont Blanc pens,
you know, like, yeah, get a good pen, buy yourself
a good pen, buy yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I've got stacks of journals.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think part of it is that we don't go
back to the art of writing. I've got terrible handwriting,
but I love to write, and so I think part
of it is to let yourself just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, one of the things that you invite people to
do in the Epic of You is to explore their
own personal journeys in the way of you know, I mean,
you've got to pass. Most people are not proud of
their past because they should have. They should have found
victory somewhere around eighteen to twenty one. But you know what,
there is so much victory in our past. Why is
it we choose not to look at it?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And you know, I write this as the epic of You,
because it's not the epic of Peter.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's the epic of you.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Would love people to look at the heroic journey and
begin to see those touch points of when did they
make a choice to do something hard, whether it's a
five K or to change countries to try a new job.
Those are turning points that are significant, and then we
need to use our allies to help us decide if
that's the right thing. And at some point we're a
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bump against the guardians of the gate. Those are those
barriers that push us back, and if we stay with it,
we will go through a hard part of that journey
and then come out with some type of achievement. But
to your point, I think we sometimes forget that our
daily lives can be heroic journeys. If you are getting
up every day as a single parent and going to
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a job, dropping your kids off at daycare, picking them
up at the end of a cold day, going to
a laundromat washing your clothes, that's heroic arrow, And I
think people don't give themselves enough credit for huge things
like what you are doing for your family or a
neighbor who you're making soup for.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So is that your way of saying that maybe we
should stop sweating the small stuff and start accepting the
small stuff as little days of victory which become big
things that we accomplish.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Today, absolutely, And I think it's also going back to
some of that mindfulness of chopping wood, carrying water. What
is the simple thing of looking out, feeding the birds
out in a bird feeder, of taking the neighbor's dog
for a walk, taking your dog, Like, what can we
do that's simplify?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Now?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
There are some.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Big things of Hey, I really want to go do
this big thing. Great that can be also a huge
heroic journey. But I too often think that people think
that they don't have heroic journey lives. And I think
we need to go back and do some of that
reframing that I talk about in the Book of Anything
that was painful and hard in our lives? Was there
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as a teacher? And what have we learned from that
so that we can actually go forward with some better choices.
I talk about experiential aed being the maturation of choice.
How can I improve my choices so that my choice
making is better and I've got better choices from which
to pick?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Are people afraid of their choices?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know? I think they often don't understand them. Oh yeah,
and I think that they you know, we don't always
know what is it? Consequences every choice is a consequence.
You've heard the saying we live our choices, So you know,
whether you're drinking or not drinking, smoking or not smoking,
running or not running, those are choices.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know. There's a wonderful writer out there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
If you have an interviewed her yet, go find her,
Jody Wellman, who says, do it before.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You don't So true, and I love that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's such a haunting phrase because there are so many
little voices in my head that we'll say, don't do it,
or I'll do it later. And it's so powerful to
have a sense of what are my choices? And am
I happy with those choices? And is that leading me
a more fulfilling life?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Should we be asking questions in the way? Because I
do a show that's called The Daily Mess, and one
of the lines that I put on there is is
that I'll sit there and I'll say, if I'm not
asking questions, then then how am I so expected to grow?
Because if we don't make those green. I'll give you
good example. My deck is twenty three feet off the
forest floor. I need to go out there and replace
some boards. Why am I not replacing those boards because
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I'm afraid of failure. How many people are like me
that won't do something so simple because they know if
I fail, then the guy that wants thirteen hundred dollars
is going to come here anyway. But we need to fail.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, and I like to try things. So I have
replaced more deck boards.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And do they look perfect now? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And and well that brand new wood look like the
gray wood. Well, I learned a secret that if you
take metal nails, not galvanized nails, but iron nails and
put them in a quart of vinegar and paint that
brand new wood with the vinegar and nail water, it'll
dye the wood the color of the gray, and it
blends it in crick I know. So there's lots of
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cool tricks out there to actually help you, you know,
figure out how to cut wood, to do it the
right way. I want to live this life learning fourteen
hundred things, not just things. You know you too, I've
played polo, I've gotten scuba certified. I'm a rock climber.
I roast coffee. You know everybody should do. That kind
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of thing is try out all your colors before you're dead.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, you bring up that reinvention kind of thing, now now,
of course, right away, I start going back to the
Madonnas of the world and those that have tried reinvention
and then haven't done well, what is that? Is it
because we're not finding a reason or a season in
that reinvention.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, you know, I think we're so hard on our
people who are famous. You know, actors can't do something
other than act and if we ever see them at
a costco or a grocery store store, we think they've
fallen from grace. It's like, oh my gosh, we are
so hard on our people of visible leadership.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't know all the details of Madonna's story, but
you know, we should be able to sing and dance
and write books and go quietly into the woods and
you know, raised dogs who cares, you know, But we
don't let our people to change their lives. But I
think the good news about being more invisible. The less
famous I am, the more choices I have.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Probably I love talking with people of acting in music
and things like that especially, And one of the reasons
why I don't do the zoom is because things happen
on a zoom camera that the rest of the world
does not need to see. I was with an Oscar
winner last week and she was just picking her nose
and I thought, that'll never be seen. I get to
see it because she's on the zoom. But my god,
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thank you for being human, because you are making my day,
miss nose picker.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Absolutely absolutely, And I think that's the humanness that we
don't give ourselves the benefit of. You know, we used
to judge the person who goes out to the newspaper
and their bathrobe, and I'm guilty of.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That too, and it's like, why not, why can't they?
You know, that's one of those things. If you asked me,
what would.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You tell your younger self, it would probably be to
not worry about what people think quite so much, because
I've been terrorized by that all my life and I
got it from my family, you know. And so because
of that, I'm judging, and then I judge others and
I take a deep breath. That's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Do you think our situations at work when it comes
to bad attitudes, because we do bump into that, even
in our neighborhoods and stuff like that. Do you think
the answer on that is to I always say, kill
them with kindness. If they're giving you a bad attitude,
don't feed the attitude. Say something positive and get them
onto a different track.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well I do. I think that's probably you're now. Am
I able to do it all the time? Not always?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But if I'm in my best self, I would like
to If somebody says something harsh to me, I might
say something a little de escalating, like I'm sorry you
feel that way, yeah, or well that's an opinion I
don't hold. Rather than taking immediate aim at them, I'll
try to de escalate or walk away. But it does
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require it does require being fairly attuned to your best
self that day two. Because if their bad self bumps
my bad self, we've got a problem.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, Because I've been known to tell people I'll look
at somebody deep in the eyes and say, how much
do I owe you for that? What do you mean? Well,
my god, if I'm going to go to a psychotherapist
and they're going to give me their opinion and I
have to pay them, I might as well pay you
for your opinion too. Oh my god, thank you so
much for being here today.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I think humor is a great way to sometimes, like
you know, challenging situations and I even mentioned that in
the book when I was in Africa whether throwing rocks,
that these kids are throwing rocks at us. Yeah, And
it was escalating very rapidly to this could go badly,
and and I just jumped up and down like a pogo.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Stick, going boying, boying, boying.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
And it just completely changed the nature of the experience.
And all the kids in the villager are jumping up
and down going boing boing boing. You know, will to
we keep that sense of imagination to do what you
say and say, hey, that's better than therapy today, you know, like,
how can I keep that you know alive?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That would be helpful.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I've had a guy that's probably in his mid sixties
that hates it because I wear my hair. Every once
in a while, I'll wear my hair down and my
hair is in the middle of my back. Why Because
I'm sixty three and I have hair, so I wear
it long. And he goes, he says, I've never seen
a more homeless looking person than you, And I go, Wow,
my god, how am I going to react to this?
(21:24):
But we have become so open with our opinion of others.
Why do we feel like they have to have the
upper hand.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, well, and I think we tend to in our
society also go to that one negative voice. You know,
a thousand people love you in the room, and the
one person who's got his arms crossed, you know, mad.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Dog in you. We go there and say, hey, what
didn't you like? Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I don't know whether it was Johnny Depp or someone else,
somebody who said what people think of me as none
of my business.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I try to adopt that because I don't. I'm
not very good at it. I do care more than
I should. I think that's when you hear that from somebody.
The next time it might be Wow, I'm sorry you
feel that way, and I'm sorry you feel like you
need to tell people your critical thinking, because that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You've got a number, and I'm into reading numbers and things,
but you you have a number here that is very
symbolic in your life. And right away, of course I
had to think of Taylor Swift because she did something
with the number twenty two, and right away I'm thinking
to myself it subliminally a Peter sitting here saying, maybe
you need to go back to your daily writing and
find out what were you doing at twenty two and
(22:33):
maybe I mean, what what does twenty two represent to
your soul?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, you know I got sober at twenty one and
or twenty two. Yeah, I got sober twenty two. It
was August twenty first.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And so the twenty one twenty two is important for me.
And that's a long time ago. I'm sixty six and
to be able to have gotten enough messages from the
Cosmos that this wasn't working well for me is amazing.
And I think that those messages are available to anybody
who wants to make a big change in their life.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's just a.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Question of are we done, have we had enough? Are
we ready to start another way of living? And that
was significant for me at twenty two, and I hope
for other people who were at the point of you know,
they say that you hit bottom when you stop digging.
I got played of the digging, and when I laid
the shovel down, things changed. And the Cosmos does conspire
(23:29):
on your behalf. When you make that type of major
shift in your consciousness.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Why are you not hosting podcast TV shows and doing
something where I mean, what is it? I mean, how
can we get people to you, in other words, to
where they can hear those vocal tones. Maybe it's a
radio thing inside of me, but I mean, pitch, volume
and tone are everything. Or do you want them to
put focus on the interpretation of what they see on
(23:55):
the pages of the epic of you.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I'd love to do podcasts, and you're clearly a wizard
at it, so I could learn a lot from you.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Arrow.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Your tone is fabulous, your energy is fabulous, your questions
are fabulous. I would love to do more of this,
so I will. I'll talk with the offline.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We'll follow up on miss Yeah, because you definitely have something,
because we have.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And the thing about it is, though, is that, and
I'm sure that you've run into this, Peter, is that
timing is everything. And what I mean by that is
is that if I can get the attention of somebody
from seven to twenty five to thirty minutes, we have
a home run. But if we're gonna Joe Rogan the
Monkey and go two hours, I feel sorry for those
people at one thirty into that story.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, and I think I picture this being a commuting
you know, classroom.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yes, Yes, And you've got a half hour to forty
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Let's do something that's a pattern interrupt, you know, change
their thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
What's the golden.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Nugget they can take today in the commuting classroom. That
is an opportunity to change my way of being to
the very next person I meet coming out of my car,
and that would be great.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow. Where can people go to find out more about you?
Because I really do want them to jump on your path?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
On My website is www dot peterdash Bailey dot com,
and I welcome interaction. I've got a Ted talk there.
I've got some podcasts. Your podcast I will post as
soon as it's live. And I love the work you're
doing and I love how you keep it moving and
you bring cool things to the to the people, So
(25:35):
I'll keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
What's your power color?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh? Green? Oh? Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
What are you doing doing these which your months when
nothing's green out there?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I don't know what that is. I bought an old
Porsche and Boxer.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It's a rainforest metallic green and it's just a good
cool color. So I don't know what that means other
than let's keep things green in the world too, even
though we're full of snow right now.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh my god, you got to come back to this
show anytime in the future.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Peter.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The door is always gonna be open. If you get
a wild hair, you just gotta say, I'm gonna call erro,
I'm gonna run with this and see if we can
just get people and then direct them to your website
and all that kind of stuff. Use it as a tool,
because that's what I love about podcasting versus terrestrial radio.
It's a tool. It's not an entertainment piece.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, let's let's coin the commuting plasterom term and let's
do more of these.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
This is great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Okay, you too, and thanks for the sunny energy on
the phone on the radio.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
This is Fabula.
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