June 10, 2025 • 17 mins
Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns-all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Hope. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi, I'm great, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with you,
because very easily on this podcast you could have gone psychological,
you could have gone so dang deep that you know
that it was very spiritual. But I love the fact
that you added your personality to it. There are many
times that I feel and experience the humor and your
open heartedness, and I mean, I just love the way
that you designed this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
M thank you so much. That's so kind of you
to say.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What was it like to be this honest or transparent
on the podcast because a lot of peop well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You know, it's interesting because I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I got my start in this world of like entertainment
and talking for a living or whatever on the internet.
So being extremely honest and extremely vulnerable online is sort
of what got me to this podcast. And you know what,
it's a double edged sword sometimes, but I do think
(01:00):
that like it's one of the only ways to really
create something meaningful or maybe create something.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That is you know, you want.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I guess I want my projects to feel vulnerable, and
because I think the most honest and vulnerable someone can be.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hopefully calls people in.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And hopefully people can like sense that vulnerability and want
to put it out in the world themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So is it always easy.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
It's not always easy, but I do think it is
always worth it, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And one of the things that I mean, do do
you fear that once you record a show? Is it
like can we go back in there and re record that.
I know, I want to give it one more touch.
I know I can say one more thing, or do
you just say okay right now?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, like listening back to the episodes, of course,
there's like every now and again where I'm like, oh gosh,
maybe I should have said this this way, maybe I
should have.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Said that way.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But and sometimes it happens for people, and like interviewing,
like I've got a great friend who like wrote a
Christian like me and sort of left the church for
a while and came onto the podcast to talk about
sort of like you know, relearning religion and relearning Christianity
because it can be twisted in a way that does
(02:21):
I think more harm than good, as you know, all
religions can be.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And I think after we did.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The interview, they were like, really nervous, they misspoke about
like the community that that that they kind of came from,
you know, so we like worked together to sort of
like cushion that honesty and so yeah, of course, you know,
like being honest and being vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's like it's it's.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Scary stuff, but it really is, I think the only
way to like create something meaningful for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know what with you just saying that, it took
me right to Stephen Fredick, my pastor at Elevation Church,
in the way that he says, drop the four walls
of the church and get out there on the streets.
And now that I've listened to and experienced boys sober,
I'm going she's doing exactly that. She is helping people,
She's doing that Christian thing, but in a way that
isn't offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, you know, like you know, like I heard this
one preacher once say, like the like honestly, the only
sin is anything that works a great against the grain
of love, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I think so.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Often in religions, like people can become like a bit
obsessed with who's doing something right, who's doing something wrong,
who's sinful, who's not da da da da da, And
I just think like the only way to be like
a truly kind of like the best Christian you can
possibly be or whatever is to just be truly inclusive
(03:48):
and loving and caring and to try and like create
that connection constantly, to try to like really shine lights
on people and what they're going through. And how does
sort of like use that for more connection and more honesty.
So it's been an exciting project, you know, and I
feel I can't kind of I'm really excited to see
(04:10):
where it goes, Yeah, where it takes us.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But you know how people are hope because they'll sit
there and they'll say, I'm gonna help out this person.
I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be compassionate, I'm gonna
I'm gonna show them support. But now I'm gonna get
something in return, which is what led me to this
question in the way of what would happen is if
in life we stopped feeling this need of being wanted
and focused on and we just showed up without having
to have a pat on the back.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, there's this really great kind of like coffee table
book quote I got from a friend of mine that
was like, when you walk into a room, you shouldn't
say like, hello, here I am. You should walk into
a room and say, oh my gosh, there you are,
you know. And that's just like something that's always stuck
(04:55):
with me. And so yeah, this feeling of like not
acting in a way to be wanted, but just or
like to not like constantly constantly be looking for something,
looking for love, but to be the person who is loving,
who is giving that love. And so that's something this
(05:15):
podcast is really about to most Definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, you open up the door for that. It's almost
like you're saying, hey, look when when when you do
walk into that room, don't sit there and say are
people happy to see me? No, you take the step
so you can see them they want to.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Be Yeah, exactly, be happy to see them, Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You say something in this podcast that I what is
a voiceover journey? I know what a voiceover actor is
and a voiceover commercial star is, but what is a
voiceover journey?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, it's because the word voice sober sounds so similar.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To the word voiceover.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And even when you like talk like if I were
to put closed captions on a video or something, the
close captions always autocorrect boy Sober to voiceover. So they
sound so so similar, So I think that like something
might have gotten mixed up in the interpretation there, But
a boy sober journey is definitely just like taking time
(06:19):
to step back and be with yourself and to ask yourself,
like sort of taking like an inventory of love and
what you've been taught, how you've been taught to love
and find love, what you've done that has maybe not
gotten you where you want to be yet, because I
(06:40):
think so often, especially now in like times of finding
love and finding dating, especially even in times between men
and women right now, it's like I feel like there's
so much blaming being done, Like men who can't find
love are blaming women for something, and women who can't
find and love are blaming men for something, and there's
(07:02):
just so much blame.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So I think this like to sort of be.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
On this journey and to be honest path what it
overall is is to stop blaming everything and anyone else
and to just kind of take like full responsibility and
full on autonomy when it comes to like interacting with
finding love.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
See I love that because in my heart you're telling
me that love is great. But the thing is though,
see I look at love as being a business partner,
and we work together. You have your side of the
business that needs to be done. I have my side
of the business. Will meet somewhere in the middle, right
m h yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, No, definitely compromised is a piece of that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Absolutely, Please do not move. There's more with Hope Woodard
coming up next. The name of the podcast is Boy
Sober with Hopewordard. We're back with that conversation the COVID Lockdown.
Didn't that prove to a lot of people that I
can do this on my own? I love doing this
on my own.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Hmmm, an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I feel like the COVID Lockdown in a way kind
of brought us all together.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And it's an interesting thing because like, of.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Course, this podcast and this entire conversation, you know, says
to somebody like learn how to be alone, figure, you know,
like understand that you can do this on your own.
But I think it's specifically references like when it comes
to like having a romantic partner. I think that like
(08:37):
community and friendship and understanding the fact that actually you
cannot do everything on your own. And I think like
so often, like especially between like me e straight men
and women and relationships together, like we're kind of looking
for each other to complete one another. And I know that, Like,
(08:58):
I just don't think friendship is as often.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Celebrated or encouraged.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And so people get in these like really intense kind
of codependent relationships where all they have is each other,
where like your partner is your everything, and the honest
to goodness truth about that is that's just like not
a sustainable way to be.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's just too much pressure on people, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
And so I think it's like the point of this
is like, yes, absolutely take time for yourself, but also
understand like that time alone does not mean time like
without connection and love and community and friendship. It's just
asking you and like challenging you to find it in
a way, in a way outside of like romance.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Are you a deefrager? And what I mean by that
is is that you sit down and you ask yourself
the questions, then question the answers, and you're able to
put a path together because you're you know how to
listen to yourself and grow forward.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh my gosh, listen, I try my best, but I'm
only human, you know, Like absolutely, Like I try my darnedist.
But I can't say that I'm like, you know, hitting
it out of the park every time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's you know, I'm human in life is long.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
What was it like to sit down with Megan Keen,
because we're talking about a person that put a book
out there that really really has touched a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, she's amazing, She's really interesting. Something that I thought
was so interesting about her story is like she was
single for a really long time and she.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wrote this book.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
She pitched this book, you know, to get bought and
to sell or whatever, and she had been single forever
and ever. She was talking about like just could never
find a partner. But as soon as she sold a
book pitch to write a book on being single, she
found somebody who she is now probably going to get
married to. So she wrote this book on how to
(10:54):
be single. Well, I like kind of after she found.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
The love of her life.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But she was talking about how, like so many of
the tools and the things that you learn while being
single are absolutely applicable to like your life in a relationship.
And she talks a lot about how like that time
alone is so helpful to being with someone. Finally, so
(11:23):
she was great. She was amazing, and yeah, gave us
a bunch of good advice and like expert insight into
how to like how to be alone.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, well you share great advice as well, because when
it comes to relationships, you kind of say, it's not
about what's going on in your present place of now.
You brought your mother into this picture, and you feel
like that you became a part of her life and
learned things from that and became who you are.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I mean, listen, like the apple rarely falls far from
the tree, you know what I mean? And I think
for everybody, for us to figure out like who we are,
and both our best qualities and our worst qualities, and
those qualities are so often the same, you know what
I mean, Like my best quality is can also be
(12:10):
my worst quality. I think looking around at your first family,
you know, the people who raised you, the people you
grew up with and everything, just looking around with kind
of like loving understanding again to not blame, but to
just sort of analyze and be like, Okay, what did
(12:31):
I get from you that maybe would be better for
both of us if I let go of you know,
I think that's just like a really great way to
understand who we are as people is to look around
and understand, you know, the people who raised you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I actually work with people that think love does not exist.
We make it up along the way.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Say more about that. What do you mean we make
it up along the way.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
We just make it up. We just feel like that,
you know, we're trying to keep up with the Joneses. Okay,
this is how they're love me. Oh I love the
way that they're loving each other. They're holding onto hands. Okay,
I'm gonna do that too, or I'm going to try to.
Oh god, I'm not doing it. I must be failing
at this game totally.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I do think there's absolutely like a lot of comparison
when it comes to like what's correct and what's not.
It can absolutely be a lot of keeping up with
the Jones's, I'm sure, especially for like married couples.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But it's just so like it's so individual.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, Are we evolving into a more freedom of
self generation?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Freedom of self generation?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Oh gosh, that's hard to tell me what you mean
by that, because I think I know. But I want
to say a little bit more about that, because I
want to give an answer, but I want to be
sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Freedom of self. Yeah, you're my good friend, but we're
not going any further than that. I'll let you be
in my circle, but I don't know, I don't know
if I want to have, you know, anybody invade my shape.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Of self.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So, like you're talking about freedom from sort of like
letting people in too much.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think I think people are waking up to the
fact that maybe they do let too many people in
too close.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, we're in a
time I think where people are trying to hold better
boundaries and people like have that language and they're trying
to make sure they're not overextending. It's an interesting thing though,
because again, like definitely, one of my values is like
(14:36):
inclusivity and support and connection and calling in. So I
do have a difficult time with keeping people out of
my life, but it's it's only in the romantic space
where I think this this uh taking time and space
is important, yeah, and can lead to something a bit
(14:57):
a bit more sustainable.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I've always wondered, and I do everything I can to
understand ghosting, because you know, you can have the greatest
friend in the world and all of a sudden, it's gone,
It's okay. And I'm even talking about romances as well. Here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know, I talk to a lot of guy friends
before about going through friend breakups, and I think when
most women go through friend.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Breakups, we really have it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We're like send long text messages and we're saying like
exactly how we were hurt. And from what I can tell,
when it comes to guy friends going separate ways, they
really do just they ghost.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think that what happens is there's so much content
and things going on around us, we just totally forget
what's really you know, where the foundation is because we're
walking on stones.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
M walking on stones? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
In other words, I always envision that we're trying to
get across a creek on a mountain side, and life,
life is taking it one stone at a time, and
there's moss on the next one. Where are we going
to go? We're stuck here in the middle. I'm like, God,
if I step on that rock and I fall, oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, it's done right, And you're just holding back.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, no, I understand that completely. Ghosting is difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What are you learning on your side of the show prep?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, oh, on my side of the show prep, I
have a wonderful team. First of all, I'm learning a
lot about the ins and outs of like a true
audio production, and I'm just like, oh, so thankful for
my team. I'm just absolutely like in the best hands,
and we're having so much fun collaborating, you know, and
(16:45):
this conversation like is so it's such a deep well
of like topics and ways we could go. Working with
the team has been like really exciting because you know,
we all have experience with this stuff, like we all
and even if you find a partner, even if you
do find your life partner, like that doesn't necessarily mean
(17:07):
shit is going.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
To get easier, you know. I mean, it's just that
it's going to be different, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And so it's just been like so much fun to
collaborate with my team and to like draw in all
these stories that are under this umbrella right of like
how to love and find love a bit more correctly.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You've got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, hope, Okay, that sounds great. You too,
Good morning, Hope. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi, I'm great, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with you,
because very easily on this podcast you could have gone psychological,
you could have gone so dang deep that you know
that it was very spiritual. But I love the fact
that you added your personality to it. There are many
times that I feel and experience the humor and your
open heartedness, and I mean, I just love the way
that you designed this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
M thank you so much. That's so kind of you
to say.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What was it like to be this honest or transparent
on the podcast because a lot of peop well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You know, it's interesting because I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I got my start in this world of like entertainment
and talking for a living or whatever on the internet.
So being extremely honest and extremely vulnerable online is sort
of what got me to this podcast. And you know what,
it's a double edged sword sometimes, but I do think
(01:00):
that like it's one of the only ways to really
create something meaningful or maybe create something.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That is you know, you want.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I guess I want my projects to feel vulnerable, and
because I think the most honest and vulnerable someone can be.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hopefully calls people in.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
And hopefully people can like sense that vulnerability and want
to put it out in the world themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So is it always easy.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
It's not always easy, but I do think it is
always worth it, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And one of the things that I mean, do do
you fear that once you record a show? Is it
like can we go back in there and re record that.
I know, I want to give it one more touch.
I know I can say one more thing, or do
you just say okay right now?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, like listening back to the episodes, of course,
there's like every now and again where I'm like, oh gosh,
maybe I should have said this this way, maybe I
should have.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Said that way.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But and sometimes it happens for people, and like interviewing,
like I've got a great friend who like wrote a
Christian like me and sort of left the church for
a while and came onto the podcast to talk about
sort of like you know, relearning religion and relearning Christianity
because it can be twisted in a way that does
(02:21):
I think more harm than good, as you know, all
religions can be.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And I think after we did.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The interview, they were like, really nervous, they misspoke about
like the community that that that they kind of came from,
you know, so we like worked together to sort of
like cushion that honesty and so yeah, of course, you know,
like being honest and being vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's like it's it's.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Scary stuff, but it really is, I think the only
way to like create something meaningful for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know what with you just saying that, it took
me right to Stephen Fredick, my pastor at Elevation Church,
in the way that he says, drop the four walls
of the church and get out there on the streets.
And now that I've listened to and experienced boys sober,
I'm going she's doing exactly that. She is helping people,
She's doing that Christian thing, but in a way that
isn't offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, you know, like you know, like I heard this
one preacher once say, like the like honestly, the only
sin is anything that works a great against the grain
of love, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I think so.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Often in religions, like people can become like a bit
obsessed with who's doing something right, who's doing something wrong,
who's sinful, who's not da da da da da, And
I just think like the only way to be like
a truly kind of like the best Christian you can
possibly be or whatever is to just be truly inclusive
(03:48):
and loving and caring and to try and like create
that connection constantly, to try to like really shine lights
on people and what they're going through. And how does
sort of like use that for more connection and more honesty.
So it's been an exciting project, you know, and I
feel I can't kind of I'm really excited to see
(04:10):
where it goes, Yeah, where it takes us.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But you know how people are hope because they'll sit
there and they'll say, I'm gonna help out this person.
I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be compassionate, I'm gonna
I'm gonna show them support. But now I'm gonna get
something in return, which is what led me to this
question in the way of what would happen is if
in life we stopped feeling this need of being wanted
and focused on and we just showed up without having
to have a pat on the back.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, there's this really great kind of like coffee table
book quote I got from a friend of mine that
was like, when you walk into a room, you shouldn't
say like, hello, here I am. You should walk into
a room and say, oh my gosh, there you are,
you know. And that's just like something that's always stuck
(04:55):
with me. And so yeah, this feeling of like not
acting in a way to be wanted, but just or
like to not like constantly constantly be looking for something,
looking for love, but to be the person who is loving,
who is giving that love. And so that's something this
(05:15):
podcast is really about to most Definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, you open up the door for that. It's almost
like you're saying, hey, look when when when you do
walk into that room, don't sit there and say are
people happy to see me? No, you take the step
so you can see them they want to.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Be Yeah, exactly, be happy to see them, Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You say something in this podcast that I what is
a voiceover journey? I know what a voiceover actor is
and a voiceover commercial star is, but what is a
voiceover journey?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, it's because the word voice sober sounds so similar.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To the word voiceover.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And even when you like talk like if I were
to put closed captions on a video or something, the
close captions always autocorrect boy Sober to voiceover. So they
sound so so similar, So I think that like something
might have gotten mixed up in the interpretation there, But
a boy sober journey is definitely just like taking time
(06:19):
to step back and be with yourself and to ask yourself,
like sort of taking like an inventory of love and
what you've been taught, how you've been taught to love
and find love, what you've done that has maybe not
gotten you where you want to be yet, because I
(06:40):
think so often, especially now in like times of finding
love and finding dating, especially even in times between men
and women right now, it's like I feel like there's
so much blaming being done, Like men who can't find
love are blaming women for something, and women who can't
find and love are blaming men for something, and there's
(07:02):
just so much blame.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So I think this like to sort of be.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
On this journey and to be honest path what it
overall is is to stop blaming everything and anyone else
and to just kind of take like full responsibility and
full on autonomy when it comes to like interacting with
finding love.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
See I love that because in my heart you're telling
me that love is great. But the thing is though,
see I look at love as being a business partner,
and we work together. You have your side of the
business that needs to be done. I have my side
of the business. Will meet somewhere in the middle, right
m h yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, No, definitely compromised is a piece of that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Absolutely, Please do not move. There's more with Hope Woodard
coming up next. The name of the podcast is Boy
Sober with Hopewordard. We're back with that conversation the COVID Lockdown.
Didn't that prove to a lot of people that I
can do this on my own? I love doing this
on my own.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Hmmm, an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I feel like the COVID Lockdown in a way kind
of brought us all together.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And it's an interesting thing because like, of.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Course, this podcast and this entire conversation, you know, says
to somebody like learn how to be alone, figure, you know,
like understand that you can do this on your own.
But I think it's specifically references like when it comes
to like having a romantic partner. I think that like
(08:37):
community and friendship and understanding the fact that actually you
cannot do everything on your own. And I think like
so often, like especially between like me e straight men
and women and relationships together, like we're kind of looking
for each other to complete one another. And I know that, Like,
(08:58):
I just don't think friendship is as often.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Celebrated or encouraged.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And so people get in these like really intense kind
of codependent relationships where all they have is each other,
where like your partner is your everything, and the honest
to goodness truth about that is that's just like not
a sustainable way to be.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's just too much pressure on people, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
And so I think it's like the point of this
is like, yes, absolutely take time for yourself, but also
understand like that time alone does not mean time like
without connection and love and community and friendship. It's just
asking you and like challenging you to find it in
a way, in a way outside of like romance.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Are you a deefrager? And what I mean by that
is is that you sit down and you ask yourself
the questions, then question the answers, and you're able to
put a path together because you're you know how to
listen to yourself and grow forward.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh my gosh, listen, I try my best, but I'm
only human, you know, Like absolutely, Like I try my darnedist.
But I can't say that I'm like, you know, hitting
it out of the park every time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's you know, I'm human in life is long.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
What was it like to sit down with Megan Keen,
because we're talking about a person that put a book
out there that really really has touched a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, she's amazing, She's really interesting. Something that I thought
was so interesting about her story is like she was
single for a really long time and she.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wrote this book.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
She pitched this book, you know, to get bought and
to sell or whatever, and she had been single forever
and ever. She was talking about like just could never
find a partner. But as soon as she sold a
book pitch to write a book on being single, she
found somebody who she is now probably going to get
married to. So she wrote this book on how to
(10:54):
be single. Well, I like kind of after she found.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
The love of her life.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But she was talking about how, like so many of
the tools and the things that you learn while being
single are absolutely applicable to like your life in a relationship.
And she talks a lot about how like that time
alone is so helpful to being with someone. Finally, so
(11:23):
she was great. She was amazing, and yeah, gave us
a bunch of good advice and like expert insight into
how to like how to be alone.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, well you share great advice as well, because when
it comes to relationships, you kind of say, it's not
about what's going on in your present place of now.
You brought your mother into this picture, and you feel
like that you became a part of her life and
learned things from that and became who you are.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I mean, listen, like the apple rarely falls far from
the tree, you know what I mean? And I think
for everybody, for us to figure out like who we are,
and both our best qualities and our worst qualities, and
those qualities are so often the same, you know what
I mean, Like my best quality is can also be
(12:10):
my worst quality. I think looking around at your first family,
you know, the people who raised you, the people you
grew up with and everything, just looking around with kind
of like loving understanding again to not blame, but to
just sort of analyze and be like, Okay, what did
(12:31):
I get from you that maybe would be better for
both of us if I let go of you know,
I think that's just like a really great way to
understand who we are as people is to look around
and understand, you know, the people who raised you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I actually work with people that think love does not exist.
We make it up along the way.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Say more about that. What do you mean we make
it up along the way.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
We just make it up. We just feel like that,
you know, we're trying to keep up with the Joneses. Okay,
this is how they're love me. Oh I love the
way that they're loving each other. They're holding onto hands. Okay,
I'm gonna do that too, or I'm going to try to.
Oh god, I'm not doing it. I must be failing
at this game totally.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I do think there's absolutely like a lot of comparison
when it comes to like what's correct and what's not.
It can absolutely be a lot of keeping up with
the Jones's, I'm sure, especially for like married couples.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But it's just so like it's so individual.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know, Are we evolving into a more freedom of
self generation?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Freedom of self generation?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Oh gosh, that's hard to tell me what you mean
by that, because I think I know. But I want
to say a little bit more about that, because I
want to give an answer, but I want to be
sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Freedom of self. Yeah, you're my good friend, but we're
not going any further than that. I'll let you be
in my circle, but I don't know, I don't know
if I want to have, you know, anybody invade my shape.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Of self.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
So, like you're talking about freedom from sort of like
letting people in too much.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think I think people are waking up to the
fact that maybe they do let too many people in
too close.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, we're in a
time I think where people are trying to hold better
boundaries and people like have that language and they're trying
to make sure they're not overextending. It's an interesting thing though,
because again, like definitely, one of my values is like
(14:36):
inclusivity and support and connection and calling in. So I
do have a difficult time with keeping people out of
my life, but it's it's only in the romantic space
where I think this this uh taking time and space
is important, yeah, and can lead to something a bit
(14:57):
a bit more sustainable.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I've always wondered, and I do everything I can to
understand ghosting, because you know, you can have the greatest
friend in the world and all of a sudden, it's gone,
It's okay. And I'm even talking about romances as well. Here.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know, I talk to a lot of guy friends
before about going through friend breakups, and I think when
most women go through friend.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Breakups, we really have it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
We're like send long text messages and we're saying like
exactly how we were hurt. And from what I can tell,
when it comes to guy friends going separate ways, they
really do just they ghost.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I think that what happens is there's so much content
and things going on around us, we just totally forget
what's really you know, where the foundation is because we're
walking on stones.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
M walking on stones? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
In other words, I always envision that we're trying to
get across a creek on a mountain side, and life,
life is taking it one stone at a time, and
there's moss on the next one. Where are we going
to go? We're stuck here in the middle. I'm like, God,
if I step on that rock and I fall, oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, it's done right, And you're just holding back.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, no, I understand that completely. Ghosting is difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What are you learning on your side of the show prep?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, oh, on my side of the show prep, I
have a wonderful team. First of all, I'm learning a
lot about the ins and outs of like a true
audio production, and I'm just like, oh, so thankful for
my team. I'm just absolutely like in the best hands,
and we're having so much fun collaborating, you know, and
(16:45):
this conversation like is so it's such a deep well
of like topics and ways we could go. Working with
the team has been like really exciting because you know,
we all have experience with this stuff, like we all
and even if you find a partner, even if you
do find your life partner, like that doesn't necessarily mean
(17:07):
shit is going.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
To get easier, you know. I mean, it's just that
it's going to be different, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And so it's just been like so much fun to
collaborate with my team and to like draw in all
these stories that are under this umbrella right of like
how to love and find love a bit more correctly.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You've got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, hope, Okay, that sounds great. You too,
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