December 23, 2025 • 23 mins
The great soul singer Sam Cooke was killed on December 11, 1964, and, surprisingly, his tragic early death never seems to be mentioned in the same breath as other early rock and roll luminaries who died young, like Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and many others. Perhaps it’s because of the brutal and suspicious nature surrounding it. The smooth, joyful soul singer was gunned down in the office of a seedy Los Angeles motel after being robbed by an alleged prostitute. In his latest article for the Strange Brew, Scott G. Shea celebrates the life, music and legacy of Sam Cooke through six songs that tell his story.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Merry Christmas is going really well.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's going by way too fast, isn't it always?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As you as always speaking of that word. You're digging
into a subject here that really does affect a lot
of the people that see. I would assume Sam Cook
it's going to be the older generation, and it was
proven to me wrong this past week when actually it
was a high school student that came up to me
and she goes, you're gonna be talking about Sam Cook,
and she gave me the history of Sam Cook and
(00:58):
I said, this is not your generation. She says, but
it is my generation because we're discovering these older songs
and I'm thinking that dang Scott is onto something at
all times. You're onto something.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I got my finger on the pulse of old artists.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well aren't you amazed though about how the I hit
it sound like an older guy? But the younger generation
really does have their fingers and their hands on on
these artists that so many other people have called their own.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean I would put myself in that category
because you know, I came well after Sam Cook's time, you.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Know, and uh, I mean I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I remember my dad had his Greatest Hits, very popular,
you know, album RCA with a yellow cover, you know,
in a big picture of Sam smiling on it. And
I remember he had it on he dooped it onto
a cassette when I was a kid, on Saday with
the Roy Orbison's Greatest Hits, and on side B was
Sam Cook's Greatest Hits. Wow, and man, that was just
(01:55):
like ear candy to me, two of them, you know.
And it's just it's just I don't know how you
can listen to that music and not just not be.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Absorbed by it, you know, or absorb yourself into it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And it's just it's so infectious, it's so joyous, it's
it's he's so such a pleasant vocalist. It's and he's authentic.
It's just it's just a great listen all around. And
you know, I think that's great that the younger people
are listening because it's it's all of our history, you know,
it's it belongs to everybody. History belongs to everybody, not
just the people who lived through it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, the one thing that they kept telling me was
that that it's about the poetry, and that's what they're
listening to. They're listening to the message that's in the songs.
And I'm thinking, Wow, when I grew up, we didn't
listen to lyrics. We just took in the entire vibe.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah right, you know, I let's hear about Dylan the fandom.
Yeah you know, so you no, but yeah, it's it's
he's got it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He's got it. There's just some artists that just transcend.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, I would put Frank Sinatra in that, and
you know, the Beatles obviously, And you know, I don't
know if Sam Cook jumps right out, but you know
he should because he is a really enjoyable listen on
so many different levels.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So what do you think his appeal is? Is it
the voice or was it the fact that he was
really top of the line an influencer right from the
very beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think it's just his melodies and his voice is first.
I think it's that's first. You know, that's the thing
that will first take you in, because it is it's
just a joy to listen to him. You know, even
when he's singing sad songs, he sounds he sounds you know,
kind of joyful and and pleasant, you know, like sad
mood or something like that, you know, uh, And it's
(03:38):
just a draw. I just remember being drawn into him
when I was a kid. I still get excited if
I hear you send me on the reim, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So this was he the writer of the songs? Or
does Holland does or Holland get credit somewhere on this on.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
This path, he's pretty much self contained. I mean, obviously
he did a lot of He did a lot of
cover songs and a lot of standards, you know, as
was the case back in those days, because you're trying
to appeal to not only to the kids, but you're
also trying to appeal to older folks. And he did
a lot of songs from the forties and the fifties,
a lot of things like Nat King cole covers and stuff,
(04:12):
and Billy Holliday did a.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Whole album tribute to Billy Holliday.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But his hits for the most part, I mean, there's
some written by others scattered in there, but for the
most part, it's him. It came from his pen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What speaking of pans, what fell from your writing instrument
into a storyline on this Really it's not about his
music necessary, but basically his life and why why has
music history forgotten a major chunk of something here?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I assume you're talking about his untimely death.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And you know, it's never really mentioned in the same
sentence with Buddy Holly or Janis Joplin or Jim Morrison
or any Otis Redding, any of these singers who died
tragically very young. And Sam was only thirty three when
he died, and he died really in a really scandalous way.
You know, he was at a dirty motel in the
(05:08):
Cedy part of Los Angeles, you know, chasing an alleged
prostitute into an office manager who stole his wallet, and
the office manager gunned him down, you know, so, and
I think maybe just it's just such a dichotomy of
this public image versus the way he died, that maybe
is the reason why. I don't know, it's hard to say.
(05:30):
There's a lot of conspiracy theories out there. I for one,
I'm kind of an Okham's razor kind of guy. I
think the simplest, excellent is all usually the right explanation.
And I think if the way it played out, it
just could have happened that way. I don't know if
the CIA was involved with the mafia, or Alan Klein
or you know, any of these people. There's a great
(05:51):
documentary on Netflix called The Two Killings of Sam Cook
and they kind of go into that. If you're a
conspiracy theory but conspiracy theory buff, you know, I would
recommend that. But to me, his life is more important
and more exciting than the way he.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Died, exactly, because I mean so many times, you know,
we sit there and we think of Jimmy Hendricks and
what's the first thing that people bring up, Oh, well,
you know he O deeed. There's a little bit more
to Jimmy Hendricks than him, O dean. I mean, you know,
it's you know, it's the threads that make up the
entire story.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Absolutely, it's the music that's the most important thing, I think,
and that indoors and carries on.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And that's the good thing about Stam and everything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know, the way he died, which was tragic and ugly,
and but it never affected his music. People still love it,
people still play it. It's still everywhere some commercials, it's
in movies, it's in television shows. You know, it's still
on the radio. You can still hear it. So you
know that that is you know, it's funny because you
mentioned Jimmy Hendricks, like dying of a drug overdose. Is
(06:50):
that's somehow a better way to die.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The way damn cold died.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't know. It's something we start, you know, we
start the nitpicking there.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
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Speaker 1 (07:03):
We're talking Sam Cook. Let's get back into that talk
with historian Scott Gha. They've always said that, you know,
mystery and mystique has always been one of the greatest
little secrets when it comes to someone's success in the
music industry. And I often wonder if the mystery of
his death has not added to that because it creates depth,
that creates conversation, because I mean, everything that went on
(07:24):
in his life is pretty much what goes on in
rock and roll as well as country music.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, you know, and he came through that really interesting
time of you know, the early fifties where he was
a gospel singer that transitioned to you know, rhythm and
blues and the pop sounds of the nineteen fifties that
are so infectious, and then too, you know, help really
develop the soul music movement. And it kind of said that,
(07:49):
like in my piece, I wrote that I feel he
kind of laid the blueprint out for the Memphis sound
in Stax records. You know, I think he was very
influential in that, and I I think that you're not
to say that he created it, but I think I
think there were a lot of the musicians now they
were greatly influenced by it and just built on it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So you bring up a very interesting point about his
gospel sound because right away I was taken back to
a fifty five year old African American man when I
brought up Sam Cook's name, and the first thing he
says was, yeah, that was my grandmother's favorite gospel singer,
and I went, really, really that's what you.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Remember him for.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So, I mean it's very I mean, I just it
was so widespread out on what where his music was,
you know, landing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He was incredibly popular as the gospel singer.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And for those who don't know, he was the from
nineteen fifty to nineteen to fifty five, he was the
lead singer of the Soul Stirs, which was a popular
black gospel group that formed in nineteen twenty six. And
you know, he joined as like a you know, a
fifteen year old or sixteen seventeen, something like that, you know,
old kid. But he could sing. And you know, in
(08:57):
that documentary The Two Killings of Sam Cook, some people
some people said that, you know that people who didn't
go to church would go to see him performing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
So that's that's just how just how the loves he was,
you know, and I think it was a major thing
when you know, when he first transitioned to pop music,
his first single was under the pseudonym Dale Cook because
you know, he had left the Solsiers and didn't want
that to get out, but you know, you couldn't miss
that voice. And then he eventually made the big move,
(09:28):
and you know still you know, had ties to the Solsterers.
He would produce them and stuff like that, and I
would I'm sure he would play a gospel you know,
in his live shows. He would do a gospel number
here and there, so you know he was he was
still very much tied to that. But he left his
impact on the gospel scene as well as the rhythm
and blues and pop scenes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So why hasn't Broadway embraced his storyline like they did
with Tina Turner and everybody else, because it really does
feel like a story that could really go into a musical.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, never say you know, they're always they're always looking
for something, you know, a story to tell on Broadway.
And that's kind of the thing. Now we've got Carol King,
we had the four Seasons, we had Diamond, you know, Dion,
I think beyond Muci's getting his life story made it
to a gospel or a Broadway show. So never say never.
(10:19):
With Sam maybe you could you could write that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Now there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So now do you think it was his PR department
that kept it underneath the carpet, this storyline, because I mean,
here's this, this brilliant talent, and it's like, what happened,
Oh God, let's keep this out of the headlines, Like
let's pretend like it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't know, you know, it was in the headlines there,
you know, when you go when I went back and researched,
it was all over the place for a few weeks,
you know, it was. It was in the newspapers. There
was you could read between the lines. They were a
little bit more a delicate back in those days of
how they framed things and things like that. But you know,
I think when he died, everything just scattered. I don't
(10:58):
know that his pr department was actively working because there
was no more artists to protect. He was gone, you know.
So you know, and then you know, three months after
he died, his widow married Bobby Womack, you know, who
was like nineteen. He was dam Cook's protege. You know,
so there was there was a whole lot of mess
(11:20):
going on there in Sam's personal life. So but the
fact that it all just kind of got.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, peple. Most people don't know that, Like, you
don't know that. I just surprised you with that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So it's it's you know, and if that happened today,
I mean that would be everywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well see, he always thought of Sam Cook as being
the next Johnny Mathis or there. There have been many
times I'll listen to a Sam Cook song and I'm going, wow,
I can tell that Marvin Gay found some vibes from
this man.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, he was. He was that way with everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know, he was very much looked up to. Smokey
Robinson said that he started growing Sam in like sixty
three and sixty four. He started to grow his hair out,
which was kind of like a little mini afro, you know,
because in the fifties in the early sixties a lot
of the black artists would put this chemical in their
(12:10):
heritage so they could slick it back like Elvis, right,
you know, so Sam was stam did that too, and
he got away from it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
He just screw it out naturally.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know. He was hanging out with people like Malcolm
X to Muhammad Ali and they wanted him to embrace
his culture and he did that, and then you know,
and then Smokey started doing that too. And then by
the late sixties, you know, it's the Afros are huge,
you know, into the early seventies, so you know, he
was he was influential, not in culturally and musically.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You bring up Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That man was not happy with our US government and
law enforcement because he felt that that was something that
was shoved underneath the cover. And where was the dang
FBI in this to do a full investigation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, that's really they really dropped the ball. I mean,
and I think it's just, you know, just the way
things were back then, you know, right or wrong, And
obviously it's wrong, but I guess I should say for
better or for worse, because I mean, he was a
black guy who was killed in a CD motel and
they just they just dismissed it. And and the fact
that he was a rock and roll you know what,
(13:12):
you know, they use the umbrella term rock and roll artist.
You know, the same thing Bobby Fuller when Bobby Fuller
was found dead in his car. I mean, he was
and here's a white guy in Los Angeles too, and
the LAPD just blew it off, like, Ay, he was
a rock and roll star. He's probably depressed and killed himself.
And you know the circumstances of his death are very
much like Sam's are very shrouded in in the haziness,
(13:34):
and you know, you know, nobody commits suicide and drinking gasoline.
You know, it's just it's it's it's just weird. And
so Sam had the dubious distinction of having a skin
color that wasn't looked on very well and also being
a rock and roll singer, and they just they just
dismissed it. And I think it should have been investigated.
You know, obviously in hindsight.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What's so interesting about this is the fact that we
live in this age where it seems like every time
we turn the page there's another rap artist that's gone down.
And I'm going you know, this isn't new to the
music industry. This has been going on since the beginning
of time, where where all of a sudden, someone like
Sam Cook is gone, and then and then yeah, and
then it's like okay, out of sight, out of mind,
who's next on the list?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, it's it just seems to be part and parcel
for that industry. You know, it doesn't seem to has
happened as much as it did in the past.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
And maybe it has, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I know air travel has gotten safer, but but you know,
you know for ods and and stuff like that. It's
you know, it's you still got to keep in mind
it's a very it's it's a it's a still a
seedy business. It's gotta it's got a dark underbelly.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The people that that really rise to the top are
very narcissistic. They have narcissistic qualities. You kind of have
to to achieve that level of fame and be able
to manage it. But it can be really dangerous, you know,
because you think of yourself first in the moment oftentimes,
and in a lot of times that can that can
cost you your life.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, because I mean Gene Simmons was the one that
said that if I don't feel like it's worth a
million dollars, how do I expect you to believe it?
And so I've always believed that's what all artists do.
They all believe that this is what has been delivered,
now accepted, let's move on with it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow, And here's the shocking part for me, and it
just proves once again that I'm too tall for fame.
Five to ten I in my mind, he Sam Cook
had to have been six seven six'.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Eight it's yeah, right, yeah you think, that it wasn't
It David, Bowie he, said don't you don't want to
meet your heroes because they're a lot shorter than.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You, yeah, yep, yep. Yep. Wow so now what have
you learned from?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
This AND I i always like asking that question because
you go into every one of these projects as a
student and then on the other side of it now
you're the.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Storyteller, well, yeah you, KNOW i think my biggest teguay
was really WHAT i said. Earlier That's sam AND i
didn't even think about this WHEN i started writing. It
But sam really laid the blueprint FOR i feel for
The stacks sound out of, memphit you, know with songs
Like Soothe, me Which sam And Dave took made a
(16:14):
hit out, of and you, know he, wrote he wrote
the blueprint really for Sweet Soul music By Arthur conley
with a song called Yeah. Man it's not the same exact,
song but it starts off with that opening line do
you like good? Music And arthur And Otis redding rewrote
it as sweet soul, music you, know which is one
of the Big memphis. Hits it wasn't A stack, song
(16:36):
but it was recorded In, memphis and you, know it
was a big hit For Arthur, Conley so you, know
it's incredible just how far reaching his influence.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Was, WELL i would love to find out what the
connection was Between Sam cook and the shaggers here in The,
south because and then and and was it the pied
pipers of rock and, roll those late night disc jockeys
that would pull A Sam cook forty five out because
the program director went to bed, good we're playing the
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now, yeah you, know he just gets your toe tap
and some and gets people up on the dance floor so,
many you, know all the. Time he was great for,
that and that's one of that was one of his.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hallmarks AND i fun, wonder you, know because he has
such even, today he's such a staple with the shagging
and the beach music THAT i often did he know
that he was doing that to this part of the,
country BECAUSE i, mean the reason why beach music even
happened was because they had to break away from their
parents to go hear this. Music and the only way
to go was to go To Myrtle beach to get.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It, YEAH i don't, KNOW i think that might have
that phenomenon might have taken place after he died or
was just starting when right as he, Died SO i
would my guess would be probably not. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Wow do you ever listen to music today and sit
there and, go, YEAH i know where you got? That
because AND i pulled that from an interview THAT i
just heard From Fleetwood mac that when it comes to
the album rumors that they went in there and listened
To Saturday Night fever over and over again and wanted
to have that drum beat From Saturday Night, fever but
in A Fleetwood mac, way and and all of a
sudden you go and you're listen to the. Songs it's,
(18:04):
like you've got to be kidding. Me So i'm wondering
the same thing About Sam. Cook you, know did did
he pull from? Somebody and are you do you hear
artists today still pulling From Sam?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Cook?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh, yeah obviously you know he was a big nat
king cole guy and, yeah and he loved that, vocally
so you, know and obviously his influences with you, Know
Silas Roy, crane with The soulsterers and And Rebert. Harris
SO i think He, YEAH i think any great artist
pulls from SOMETHING i remember seeing Hearing Billy. JOEL i
(18:34):
think he was On Howard stern years ago when he
was talking about, uh the still rock and roll to
me or one of some song was of. His was
he took the melody To Lay Lady lay By Bob
dylan and just sped it, up you, know and it's, like,
WOW i never knew. That you. Know it's, like but
you listen to you don't hear, it you. Know but,
yeah that's that's the musicians here for.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You you being the historian that you are with, music
do you do you find you, know yourself being compared
to The Casey casems of the, world The Dick clark's,
Who Jewel. WHITBURN i, MEAN i don't know if you
are you old enough to Remember Joel.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Whitburn, yeah Obviously billboard, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
YEAH i had.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
A top Forty hits book and from nineteen eighty eight
WHEN i was a. Kid. Yeah oh, Yeah, WELL i don't.
Know that's What i'm striving. FOR i don't know If
i'm there.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yet oh my, God, yes you are.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There it might because you, know because you, know it's
one of those things where you're getting to the point
where people see your name and they're, going, oh let's
jump into, this because he's going to take me some
place that a normal conversation is, not because we always
base everything on our. Interpretation and what you do is
you set us straight with your.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Stories, yeah that's that's you, know, well the truth.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Is you, know there was a line In The Man
Who Shot Literary bounce of one of my Favorite John wayne.
Movies when the you, know when the story becomes when
the legend becomes, truth print the, legend And i'm the.
OPPOSITE i like the truth, man BECAUSE i find the
truth to be way more interesting than the.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Legend.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Wow so now one of the things THAT i GUESS
i came from THE tv YouTube. Generation how did news
get out about A Sam cook when something went down
like that In Los?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Angeles?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh just by the, newspaper you know, mostly And i'm
sure it was On i'm sure television And Walter cronkak
probably broke the, story you, know or shared it on
the evening news or whoever was back, Then Roger, mudd you,
know but uh, yeah that was that was the main
way you, know there was and and news reached, slowly you,
know and and uh but back then they probably you,
(20:30):
know it was considered really. Fast it was on. Television you,
KNOW i don't know when that's a good. QUESTION i
don't know when it was broke ON. Tv but it
broke fairly quickly in the, newspaper you, know right right
as it, happened especially in THE la.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Papers speaking of, writing how's? That how's that book coming?
Along About Waylan, Jenny's Because i'm still burning, here, MAN
i asked second words of, THAT i want to have,
it give it to.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Me it's getting, plugged. MAN i might have some good
news on that in the new. Year so uh so,
hopefully uh he's still plugging, away my my literary, agents
still working behind the. Scenes so we're hoping for some
good news here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Soon with The Waylon, jennies are you gonna do? Anything
that that basically talks about the family tree of, music
on who he worked with and and how it came into.
Being and BECAUSE i, mean so many people they don't
realize it's like The Buddy holly story with Whyaln. Jenny's
there's so many that's that's a lost piece of. History
but so is the time With Willie. Nelson and BUT i,
Mean i'll play a song From willie And whalen and
(21:25):
the older generation gets into, it and then but then
you'll start seeing the thumping from the younger generation when
you jump into A Waylon jennings.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Song oh, yeah, yeah he's got an incredible. Story you.
Know you think of The Highwayman whalen With Johnny cash
And Willie nelson And Chris, christofferson and those are three
guys that he met in the mid to late, sixties you,
know for the first, time and started working with them
or just socializing with them or playing picking with, them you,
(21:53):
know so so that the story of his meeting, him
meeting them and their times together are all in there
and as well as other people.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Do as that, historian do you find yourself living a
lot in the past in the way of you, KNOW i,
mean how do you come back to the present if
everything that you're, finding the, drama the, action the, music
all that entertainment is happening in a place called the.
Past but here you have to be in the present
to bring this story.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
FORWARD i got a wife and, kids you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Know that's LIKE i told my.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wife it's like you, KNOW i you, know there's no
such thing as a time machine in writing, is for,
me is the closest thing to a time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Machine, yep well you're so right about.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That holy, CAL i would love to see what's in
your file so that you, know one, day you know
that we all just sit down and say this.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is what he was working. On oh my.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
GOD i, mean it's not that we're, snooping it's just
that we're just trying to continue your you, know your
you're pushed forward when it comes to a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Legacy.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, ABSOLUTELY i appreciate. IT i appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
On, wow where can we go to find out more
about everything that you're, doing because this is not just
A Sam cook.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Thing, no you can go to my website scottsjauthor dot.
Com it has links to all my articles that appear
exclusively On The Strange brew For. Now you, KNOW i
usually write one a, month so they're all up. There
it also links to my Book all The Leaves Are,
Brown how The mamas and The Papas Came together And Broke,
apart and also links to my socials are.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
There, wow well you know you got to come back
to this. SHOW i love the way you guys do.
It you give me like a like a. Headline i'm
going dah get him on the. Books we got to
talk about.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
THIS i appreciated Arrow.
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Man will you be brilliant today and happy, Holidays Merry
christmas and everything that goes along with.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Merry Christmas is going really well.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's going by way too fast, isn't it always?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
As you as always speaking of that word. You're digging
into a subject here that really does affect a lot
of the people that see. I would assume Sam Cook
it's going to be the older generation, and it was
proven to me wrong this past week when actually it
was a high school student that came up to me
and she goes, you're gonna be talking about Sam Cook,
and she gave me the history of Sam Cook and
(00:58):
I said, this is not your generation. She says, but
it is my generation because we're discovering these older songs
and I'm thinking that dang Scott is onto something at
all times. You're onto something.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I got my finger on the pulse of old artists.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well aren't you amazed though about how the I hit
it sound like an older guy? But the younger generation
really does have their fingers and their hands on on
these artists that so many other people have called their own.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean I would put myself in that category
because you know, I came well after Sam Cook's time, you.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Know, and uh, I mean I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I remember my dad had his Greatest Hits, very popular,
you know, album RCA with a yellow cover, you know,
in a big picture of Sam smiling on it. And
I remember he had it on he dooped it onto
a cassette when I was a kid, on Saday with
the Roy Orbison's Greatest Hits, and on side B was
Sam Cook's Greatest Hits. Wow, and man, that was just
(01:55):
like ear candy to me, two of them, you know.
And it's just it's just I don't know how you
can listen to that music and not just not be.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Absorbed by it, you know, or absorb yourself into it.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And it's just it's so infectious, it's so joyous, it's
it's he's so such a pleasant vocalist. It's and he's authentic.
It's just it's just a great listen all around. And
you know, I think that's great that the younger people
are listening because it's it's all of our history, you know,
it's it belongs to everybody. History belongs to everybody, not
just the people who lived through it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Well, the one thing that they kept telling me was
that that it's about the poetry, and that's what they're
listening to. They're listening to the message that's in the songs.
And I'm thinking, Wow, when I grew up, we didn't
listen to lyrics. We just took in the entire vibe.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah right, you know, I let's hear about Dylan the fandom.
Yeah you know, so you no, but yeah, it's it's
he's got it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He's got it. There's just some artists that just transcend.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, I would put Frank Sinatra in that, and
you know, the Beatles obviously, And you know, I don't
know if Sam Cook jumps right out, but you know
he should because he is a really enjoyable listen on
so many different levels.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So what do you think his appeal is? Is it
the voice or was it the fact that he was
really top of the line an influencer right from the
very beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think it's just his melodies and his voice is first.
I think it's that's first. You know, that's the thing
that will first take you in, because it is it's
just a joy to listen to him. You know, even
when he's singing sad songs, he sounds he sounds you know,
kind of joyful and and pleasant, you know, like sad
mood or something like that, you know, uh, And it's
(03:38):
just a draw. I just remember being drawn into him
when I was a kid. I still get excited if
I hear you send me on the reim, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So this was he the writer of the songs? Or
does Holland does or Holland get credit somewhere on this on.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
This path, he's pretty much self contained. I mean, obviously
he did a lot of He did a lot of
cover songs and a lot of standards, you know, as
was the case back in those days, because you're trying
to appeal to not only to the kids, but you're
also trying to appeal to older folks. And he did
a lot of songs from the forties and the fifties,
a lot of things like Nat King cole covers and stuff,
(04:12):
and Billy Holliday did a.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Whole album tribute to Billy Holliday.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But his hits for the most part, I mean, there's
some written by others scattered in there, but for the
most part, it's him. It came from his pen.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What speaking of pans, what fell from your writing instrument
into a storyline on this Really it's not about his
music necessary, but basically his life and why why has
music history forgotten a major chunk of something here?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I assume you're talking about his untimely death.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And you know, it's never really mentioned in the same
sentence with Buddy Holly or Janis Joplin or Jim Morrison
or any Otis Redding, any of these singers who died
tragically very young. And Sam was only thirty three when
he died, and he died really in a really scandalous way.
You know, he was at a dirty motel in the
(05:08):
Cedy part of Los Angeles, you know, chasing an alleged
prostitute into an office manager who stole his wallet, and
the office manager gunned him down, you know, so, and
I think maybe just it's just such a dichotomy of
this public image versus the way he died, that maybe
is the reason why. I don't know, it's hard to say.
(05:30):
There's a lot of conspiracy theories out there. I for one,
I'm kind of an Okham's razor kind of guy. I
think the simplest, excellent is all usually the right explanation.
And I think if the way it played out, it
just could have happened that way. I don't know if
the CIA was involved with the mafia, or Alan Klein
or you know, any of these people. There's a great
(05:51):
documentary on Netflix called The Two Killings of Sam Cook
and they kind of go into that. If you're a
conspiracy theory but conspiracy theory buff, you know, I would
recommend that. But to me, his life is more important
and more exciting than the way he.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Died, exactly, because I mean so many times, you know,
we sit there and we think of Jimmy Hendricks and
what's the first thing that people bring up, Oh, well,
you know he O deeed. There's a little bit more
to Jimmy Hendricks than him, O dean. I mean, you know,
it's you know, it's the threads that make up the
entire story.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Absolutely, it's the music that's the most important thing, I think,
and that indoors and carries on.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And that's the good thing about Stam and everything.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know, the way he died, which was tragic and ugly,
and but it never affected his music. People still love it,
people still play it. It's still everywhere some commercials, it's
in movies, it's in television shows. You know, it's still
on the radio. You can still hear it. So you
know that that is you know, it's funny because you
mentioned Jimmy Hendricks, like dying of a drug overdose. Is
(06:50):
that's somehow a better way to die.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The way damn cold died.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I don't know. It's something we start, you know, we
start the nitpicking there.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Please do not move. There's more with Scotchy Shake coming
up next.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
We're talking Sam Cook. Let's get back into that talk
with historian Scott Gha. They've always said that, you know,
mystery and mystique has always been one of the greatest
little secrets when it comes to someone's success in the
music industry. And I often wonder if the mystery of
his death has not added to that because it creates depth,
that creates conversation, because I mean, everything that went on
(07:24):
in his life is pretty much what goes on in
rock and roll as well as country music.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, you know, and he came through that really interesting
time of you know, the early fifties where he was
a gospel singer that transitioned to you know, rhythm and
blues and the pop sounds of the nineteen fifties that
are so infectious, and then too, you know, help really
develop the soul music movement. And it kind of said that,
(07:49):
like in my piece, I wrote that I feel he
kind of laid the blueprint out for the Memphis sound
in Stax records. You know, I think he was very
influential in that, and I I think that you're not
to say that he created it, but I think I
think there were a lot of the musicians now they
were greatly influenced by it and just built on it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So you bring up a very interesting point about his
gospel sound because right away I was taken back to
a fifty five year old African American man when I
brought up Sam Cook's name, and the first thing he
says was, yeah, that was my grandmother's favorite gospel singer,
and I went, really, really that's what you.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Remember him for.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So, I mean it's very I mean, I just it
was so widespread out on what where his music was,
you know, landing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
He was incredibly popular as the gospel singer.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And for those who don't know, he was the from
nineteen fifty to nineteen to fifty five, he was the
lead singer of the Soul Stirs, which was a popular
black gospel group that formed in nineteen twenty six. And
you know, he joined as like a you know, a
fifteen year old or sixteen seventeen, something like that, you know,
old kid. But he could sing. And you know, in
(08:57):
that documentary The Two Killings of Sam Cook, some people
some people said that, you know that people who didn't
go to church would go to see him performing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
So that's that's just how just how the loves he was,
you know, and I think it was a major thing
when you know, when he first transitioned to pop music,
his first single was under the pseudonym Dale Cook because
you know, he had left the Solsiers and didn't want
that to get out, but you know, you couldn't miss
that voice. And then he eventually made the big move,
(09:28):
and you know still you know, had ties to the Solsterers.
He would produce them and stuff like that, and I
would I'm sure he would play a gospel you know,
in his live shows. He would do a gospel number
here and there, so you know he was he was
still very much tied to that. But he left his
impact on the gospel scene as well as the rhythm
and blues and pop scenes.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So why hasn't Broadway embraced his storyline like they did
with Tina Turner and everybody else, because it really does
feel like a story that could really go into a musical.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, never say you know, they're always they're always looking
for something, you know, a story to tell on Broadway.
And that's kind of the thing. Now we've got Carol King,
we had the four Seasons, we had Diamond, you know, Dion,
I think beyond Muci's getting his life story made it
to a gospel or a Broadway show. So never say never.
(10:19):
With Sam maybe you could you could write that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Now there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So now do you think it was his PR department
that kept it underneath the carpet, this storyline, because I mean,
here's this, this brilliant talent, and it's like, what happened,
Oh God, let's keep this out of the headlines, Like
let's pretend like it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't know, you know, it was in the headlines there,
you know, when you go when I went back and researched,
it was all over the place for a few weeks,
you know, it was. It was in the newspapers. There
was you could read between the lines. They were a
little bit more a delicate back in those days of
how they framed things and things like that. But you know,
I think when he died, everything just scattered. I don't
(10:58):
know that his pr department was actively working because there
was no more artists to protect. He was gone, you know.
So you know, and then you know, three months after
he died, his widow married Bobby Womack, you know, who
was like nineteen. He was dam Cook's protege. You know,
so there was there was a whole lot of mess
(11:20):
going on there in Sam's personal life. So but the
fact that it all just kind of got.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
You know, peple. Most people don't know that, Like, you
don't know that. I just surprised you with that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So it's it's you know, and if that happened today,
I mean that would be everywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well see, he always thought of Sam Cook as being
the next Johnny Mathis or there. There have been many
times I'll listen to a Sam Cook song and I'm going, wow,
I can tell that Marvin Gay found some vibes from
this man.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, he was. He was that way with everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know, he was very much looked up to. Smokey
Robinson said that he started growing Sam in like sixty
three and sixty four. He started to grow his hair out,
which was kind of like a little mini afro, you know,
because in the fifties in the early sixties a lot
of the black artists would put this chemical in their
(12:10):
heritage so they could slick it back like Elvis, right,
you know, so Sam was stam did that too, and
he got away from it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
He just screw it out naturally.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know. He was hanging out with people like Malcolm
X to Muhammad Ali and they wanted him to embrace
his culture and he did that, and then you know,
and then Smokey started doing that too. And then by
the late sixties, you know, it's the Afros are huge,
you know, into the early seventies, so you know, he
was he was influential, not in culturally and musically.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You bring up Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That man was not happy with our US government and
law enforcement because he felt that that was something that
was shoved underneath the cover. And where was the dang
FBI in this to do a full investigation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, that's really they really dropped the ball. I mean,
and I think it's just, you know, just the way
things were back then, you know, right or wrong, And
obviously it's wrong, but I guess I should say for
better or for worse, because I mean, he was a
black guy who was killed in a CD motel and
they just they just dismissed it. And and the fact
that he was a rock and roll you know what,
(13:12):
you know, they use the umbrella term rock and roll artist.
You know, the same thing Bobby Fuller when Bobby Fuller
was found dead in his car. I mean, he was
and here's a white guy in Los Angeles too, and
the LAPD just blew it off, like, Ay, he was
a rock and roll star. He's probably depressed and killed himself.
And you know the circumstances of his death are very
much like Sam's are very shrouded in in the haziness,
(13:34):
and you know, you know, nobody commits suicide and drinking gasoline.
You know, it's just it's it's it's just weird. And
so Sam had the dubious distinction of having a skin
color that wasn't looked on very well and also being
a rock and roll singer, and they just they just
dismissed it. And I think it should have been investigated.
You know, obviously in hindsight.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What's so interesting about this is the fact that we
live in this age where it seems like every time
we turn the page there's another rap artist that's gone down.
And I'm going you know, this isn't new to the
music industry. This has been going on since the beginning
of time, where where all of a sudden, someone like
Sam Cook is gone, and then and then yeah, and
then it's like okay, out of sight, out of mind,
who's next on the list?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, it's it just seems to be part and parcel
for that industry. You know, it doesn't seem to has
happened as much as it did in the past.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
And maybe it has, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I know air travel has gotten safer, but but you know,
you know for ods and and stuff like that. It's
you know, it's you still got to keep in mind
it's a very it's it's a it's a still a
seedy business. It's gotta it's got a dark underbelly.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
The people that that really rise to the top are
very narcissistic. They have narcissistic qualities. You kind of have
to to achieve that level of fame and be able
to manage it. But it can be really dangerous, you know,
because you think of yourself first in the moment oftentimes,
and in a lot of times that can that can
cost you your life.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, because I mean Gene Simmons was the one that
said that if I don't feel like it's worth a
million dollars, how do I expect you to believe it?
And so I've always believed that's what all artists do.
They all believe that this is what has been delivered,
now accepted, let's move on with it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow, And here's the shocking part for me, and it
just proves once again that I'm too tall for fame.
Five to ten I in my mind, he Sam Cook
had to have been six seven six'.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Eight it's yeah, right, yeah you think, that it wasn't
It David, Bowie he, said don't you don't want to
meet your heroes because they're a lot shorter than.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
You, yeah, yep, yep. Yep. Wow so now what have
you learned from?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
This AND I i always like asking that question because
you go into every one of these projects as a
student and then on the other side of it now
you're the.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Storyteller, well, yeah you, KNOW i think my biggest teguay
was really WHAT i said. Earlier That's sam AND i
didn't even think about this WHEN i started writing. It
But sam really laid the blueprint FOR i feel for
The stacks sound out of, memphit you, know with songs
Like Soothe, me Which sam And Dave took made a
(16:14):
hit out, of and you, know he, wrote he wrote
the blueprint really for Sweet Soul music By Arthur conley
with a song called Yeah. Man it's not the same exact,
song but it starts off with that opening line do
you like good? Music And arthur And Otis redding rewrote
it as sweet soul, music you, know which is one
of the Big memphis. Hits it wasn't A stack, song
(16:36):
but it was recorded In, memphis and you, know it
was a big hit For Arthur, Conley so you, know
it's incredible just how far reaching his influence.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Was, WELL i would love to find out what the
connection was Between Sam cook and the shaggers here in The,
south because and then and and was it the pied
pipers of rock and, roll those late night disc jockeys
that would pull A Sam cook forty five out because
the program director went to bed, good we're playing the
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now, yeah you, know he just gets your toe tap
and some and gets people up on the dance floor so,
many you, know all the. Time he was great for,
that and that's one of that was one of his.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hallmarks AND i fun, wonder you, know because he has
such even, today he's such a staple with the shagging
and the beach music THAT i often did he know
that he was doing that to this part of the,
country BECAUSE i, mean the reason why beach music even
happened was because they had to break away from their
parents to go hear this. Music and the only way
to go was to go To Myrtle beach to get.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It, YEAH i don't, KNOW i think that might have
that phenomenon might have taken place after he died or
was just starting when right as he, Died SO i
would my guess would be probably not. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Wow do you ever listen to music today and sit
there and, go, YEAH i know where you got? That
because AND i pulled that from an interview THAT i
just heard From Fleetwood mac that when it comes to
the album rumors that they went in there and listened
To Saturday Night fever over and over again and wanted
to have that drum beat From Saturday Night, fever but
in A Fleetwood mac, way and and all of a
sudden you go and you're listen to the. Songs it's,
(18:04):
like you've got to be kidding. Me So i'm wondering
the same thing About Sam. Cook you, know did did
he pull from? Somebody and are you do you hear
artists today still pulling From Sam?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Cook?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh, yeah obviously you know he was a big nat
king cole guy and, yeah and he loved that, vocally
so you, know and obviously his influences with you, Know
Silas Roy, crane with The soulsterers and And Rebert. Harris
SO i think He, YEAH i think any great artist
pulls from SOMETHING i remember seeing Hearing Billy. JOEL i
(18:34):
think he was On Howard stern years ago when he
was talking about, uh the still rock and roll to
me or one of some song was of. His was
he took the melody To Lay Lady lay By Bob
dylan and just sped it, up you, know and it's, like,
WOW i never knew. That you. Know it's, like but
you listen to you don't hear, it you. Know but,
yeah that's that's the musicians here for.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You you being the historian that you are with, music
do you do you find you, know yourself being compared
to The Casey casems of the, world The Dick clark's,
Who Jewel. WHITBURN i, MEAN i don't know if you
are you old enough to Remember Joel.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Whitburn, yeah Obviously billboard, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
YEAH i had.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
A top Forty hits book and from nineteen eighty eight
WHEN i was a. Kid. Yeah oh, Yeah, WELL i don't.
Know that's What i'm striving. FOR i don't know If
i'm there.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yet oh my, God, yes you are.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There it might because you, know because you, know it's
one of those things where you're getting to the point
where people see your name and they're, going, oh let's
jump into, this because he's going to take me some
place that a normal conversation is, not because we always
base everything on our. Interpretation and what you do is
you set us straight with your.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Stories, yeah that's that's you, know, well the truth.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Is you, know there was a line In The Man
Who Shot Literary bounce of one of my Favorite John wayne.
Movies when the you, know when the story becomes when
the legend becomes, truth print the, legend And i'm the.
OPPOSITE i like the truth, man BECAUSE i find the
truth to be way more interesting than the.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Legend.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Wow so now one of the things THAT i GUESS
i came from THE tv YouTube. Generation how did news
get out about A Sam cook when something went down
like that In Los?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Angeles?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh just by the, newspaper you know, mostly And i'm
sure it was On i'm sure television And Walter cronkak
probably broke the, story you, know or shared it on
the evening news or whoever was back, Then Roger, mudd you,
know but uh, yeah that was that was the main
way you, know there was and and news reached, slowly you,
know and and uh but back then they probably you,
(20:30):
know it was considered really. Fast it was on. Television you,
KNOW i don't know when that's a good. QUESTION i
don't know when it was broke ON. Tv but it
broke fairly quickly in the, newspaper you, know right right
as it, happened especially in THE la.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Papers speaking of, writing how's? That how's that book coming?
Along About Waylan, Jenny's Because i'm still burning, here, MAN
i asked second words of, THAT i want to have,
it give it to.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Me it's getting, plugged. MAN i might have some good
news on that in the new. Year so uh so,
hopefully uh he's still plugging, away my my literary, agents
still working behind the. Scenes so we're hoping for some
good news here.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Soon with The Waylon, jennies are you gonna do? Anything
that that basically talks about the family tree of, music
on who he worked with and and how it came into.
Being and BECAUSE i, mean so many people they don't
realize it's like The Buddy holly story with Whyaln. Jenny's
there's so many that's that's a lost piece of. History
but so is the time With Willie. Nelson and BUT i,
Mean i'll play a song From willie And whalen and
(21:25):
the older generation gets into, it and then but then
you'll start seeing the thumping from the younger generation when
you jump into A Waylon jennings.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Song oh, yeah, yeah he's got an incredible. Story you.
Know you think of The Highwayman whalen With Johnny cash
And Willie nelson And Chris, christofferson and those are three
guys that he met in the mid to late, sixties you,
know for the first, time and started working with them
or just socializing with them or playing picking with, them you,
(21:53):
know so so that the story of his meeting, him
meeting them and their times together are all in there
and as well as other people.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Do as that, historian do you find yourself living a
lot in the past in the way of you, KNOW i,
mean how do you come back to the present if
everything that you're, finding the, drama the, action the, music
all that entertainment is happening in a place called the.
Past but here you have to be in the present
to bring this story.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
FORWARD i got a wife and, kids you.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Know that's LIKE i told my.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Wife it's like you, KNOW i you, know there's no
such thing as a time machine in writing, is for,
me is the closest thing to a time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Machine, yep well you're so right about.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
That holy, CAL i would love to see what's in
your file so that you, know one, day you know
that we all just sit down and say this.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is what he was working. On oh my.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
GOD i, mean it's not that we're, snooping it's just
that we're just trying to continue your you, know your
you're pushed forward when it comes to a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Legacy.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, ABSOLUTELY i appreciate. IT i appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
On, wow where can we go to find out more
about everything that you're, doing because this is not just
A Sam cook.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Thing, no you can go to my website scottsjauthor dot.
Com it has links to all my articles that appear
exclusively On The Strange brew For. Now you, KNOW i
usually write one a, month so they're all up. There
it also links to my Book all The Leaves Are,
Brown how The mamas and The Papas Came together And Broke,
apart and also links to my socials are.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
There, wow well you know you got to come back
to this. SHOW i love the way you guys do.
It you give me like a like a. Headline i'm
going dah get him on the. Books we got to
talk about.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
THIS i appreciated Arrow.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Man will you be brilliant today and happy, Holidays Merry
christmas and everything that goes along with.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
That the same to. You
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