October 26, 2025 • 20 mins
Pod Crashing episode number 400 is with Simmon Boyce from the podcast The Bright Side The Bright Side, the hit podcast from Hello Sunshine, is back for a brand-new season! Every Monday, join Emmy-nominated host Simone Boyce as she brings you a dose of culture and inspiration with celebrity interviews, the latest in health and wellness, smart takes on pop culture, and real conversations with women doing amazing things. EPISODES AVAILABLE HERE:Https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-the-bright-side-149753542/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every podcaster goes through it. People are always asking where
going to forge your podcast? I don't do iHeartRadio or Spotify.
Well it's very easy now Arrow dot net A r
r o e dot net. There are seventeen different podcasts
that you can put into your lifestyle. Arro dot net
A r R o e dot net. Hey, welcome back
to the conversation. Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number
(00:22):
four hundred is with Simone voice from the podcast The
bright Side. Hi Er, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm better now that I'm speaking to you. I remember
you from our last radio tour and you are such
a thoughtful host. I'm so excited to speak with you again.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You know, I gotta tell you, I am such a
big fan of you because you believe in the path
that I walk upon. That and I don't find that
too often in a lot of people who want to
really reach out and touch people's lives. In fact, in
my writing today, I said, I'll bet you Simone today
will pick up five or six different new ideas from
everybody she's going to be interviewed by. Because you are
a student of life and you're gonna be hanging out
(00:59):
with co co student basically.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, of course. I mean I go through life looking
for opportunities to learn, and I think that just comes
from having this innately curious spirit. I've been that way
ever since I was a little girl, and I can
tell you have that as well. You're a curious person,
which is a beautiful trade.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it's because I like asking questions and then questioning
the answers. And I don't know where I pick that
up from, but I get better answers if you go
oh really okay, Simone, really go deeper than.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That wait erro That is so good. You said I
like asking questions and questioning the answers. I'm writing that
down because that's such a beautiful quote.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, the goal is is to really I mean, because
I'm always thinking about the listener, and so were you.
Because I feel like that you are my partner when
I'm driving in that car to go uptown Charlotte, and
you know, it's because I need someone to be in
there with me, and it's like I can sit there
and go, oh, okay, Simone, I know where you're going
with this, and your guests are so honest.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, yes, the honesty is a real win for me.
As you know someone who's spent many years as a
journalist and now transitioning into podcast hosting, But honesty is like, Wow,
if I can come away from a conversation, from an
interview and feel like I got the most honest, real
(02:18):
candid version of that person, that feels really gratifying. And
I think it not only feels gratifying for me, but
it also is really rewarding for the listener too, because
there's so much insincerity. Did I just make up a word?
There's so much there's so many elements of our world
(02:38):
today that are artificial or you know, hard to suss
out the integrity of. But when when you hear someone
really telling their story openly and honestly, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You made that comment about jumping from a journalist to
a podcaster. How long did it take you to adjust
to that new voice, because as that journalist, it's always like, well, Johnny,
I'm down here on the corner of fifth and seventh,
and there has been so something that's taking place. We
don't talk like that in podcasting. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It's so true. It took me. It took me, I
want to say, it took me a couple of months. Honestly,
when we were launching this show, we had the benefit
of a development period, so we were able to get
in the studio play around, really acquaint ourselves with the
producing staff, and in that time, I really tried to
(03:24):
work on that transition from one career path where all
of the emphasis is out right, I'm not the focus
of the story, that the focus and the attention is
on the subject of the news story, and in podcasting
you got to flip it around and you gotta go
into that internal world and you have to be willing
(03:47):
to share more of yourself. So that was definitely a
new experience for me. But I find that it gets
easier all the time, and it gets easier through the
incredible guests that we that I've had on the season,
like Rachel Platten. She and I had an incredibly honest
conversation about motherhood. Sarah Spain, a sports journalist, We talked
(04:07):
and shared a lot of common ground around fighting for
legitimacy as a young reporter. So yeah, I find that
embracing this new role, as a relatively new role as
a podcast house that gets easier all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm so glad that you brought up Rachel Platten because
that's somebody I wanted to talk about because she's teaching
people how to find their voice again, which then inspired
me to step into the world of these younger people
that I'm with that seem to be quiet, and so
I'm learning it is the art of listening that will
bring somebody out of their shell.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
M the art of listening that will bring somebody out
of their shell. That's really good. Yeah, I think, well,
listening can be a really intimate experience, right, And it's
so when you feel like someone is really listening to you,
it touches you on a really deep level. And on
(04:59):
the other side, if you feel like someone is not
listening to you, then that touches you as well. But
I think one of the greatest gifts that we can
give each other, and a gift that I hope to
give my guests on the bright side, is the feeling
of being truly seen. That's something that has been so
powerful for me when I have friends who I feel
(05:20):
like truly see me. I know, I'm sure you feel
that way too, ero, So yeah, I just want to
give people that gift of feeling seen.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
See this proves that you and I are walking on
this same path, and because I don't believe people are
happy to see me, they're happy that I see them.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh yeah, that's so good. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And that to me is the relationship, that is the communication.
That's why I like right now, I'm doing so much
research on this thing called chaos, and I believe that
we're in a situation where we're creating chaos to get attention.
And that's not what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
M What are we supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We're supposed to be working into the channels of peace, forgiveness,
working into this area where we can work together, collaborate, communicate.
And I believe that it's not on a text message,
it's not on an email we've In fact, I was
just doing some research today on what's more important, zoom
or speaking on the telephone, And it's zoom because we
get to see your facial expressions and then both of
(06:20):
us are neither one of us are looking at each
other right now, but yet we're connected.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, that's exactly. Wait, I'm so curious to hear where
you're learning about chaos? Are you reading? I am? What
are you?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I will dig into everything. I mean, I go. I mean,
if you you would look at me in my living
room and say you're so boring. You're just always reading books.
You're always into this stuff. And because I don't read novels,
I read, you know, things that are about the heart.
I believe things that are about building the mind, replenishing
the soul, and not in a religious way, but in
a leadership role.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What about Absolutely so in terms of what I'm reading
right now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Reading studying, because your connection with everything is that it's
like you're wide open, but you're also very protective of
that openness.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh yeah, that's so accurate. So I'm lucky because through
this show I'm able to enjoy a lot of books
for potential guests that come on, and there are a
few that stood out to me recently. So we have
a guest that will be that you'll hear on our
show soon. Her name is Kasha or Boniac, and she
(07:31):
wrote a book called Unbound, A Woman's Guide to Power. Now,
this woman has a really interesting, unconventional background. She was
studying to be a dallast nun and the way that
she paid for that for that education was by being
a dominatrix in Manhattan, and what she learned through both
(07:54):
of these disciplines is that they actually have a lot
of overlap. She learned so much about power, how to
tap into it, and how to teach others how to
tap into it. And she shared what she learned through
this book and in her interview with me, and I
learned so much just about the idea of attention, like
how can we wield attention and how power changes and
(08:17):
shifts when our attention is out as opposed to when
our intention is in on our internal landscape. So that's
a book that I can think of recently that really
just got my wheels turning. There's there's so many, honestly,
But I also love I read nonfiction, and I also
do love fiction too. I love I Love My Dragon
and fantasy novels.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Please Do Not Move. My conversation with Simone Boys gets
even deeper. The name of the podcast, The bright Side.
It's season two. We're with Simone Voice. You brought up
some memories for me here when you were talking about,
you know, gaining that power and understanding what you're going
to do with your power, because in martial arts, we're
taught on what is your dongeon doing? Right now. The
(09:02):
dongeon is the lower part of your stomach where your
energy comes from. All of your energy comes from your dongeon.
And so when I bump into people that really are
kind of grumpy, I'll go, how tight are your pants
right now? And they'll say they're pretty tight. Well, your
dongeon is messed up. And I believe that when when
you feel loose that energy, your ore comes out in it.
And that, to me is what I feel on your show,
because you talk about health and wellness, you talk about
(09:23):
how we can learn to like with doctor Emily staying
emotionally fit. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that
people want to know, but nobody's talking about it unless
they find your podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, I am so glad you brought up that episode
with doctor Emily Anhalt. She wrote a book called Flex
Your Feelings, and this book was so it was this
conversation was so eye opening for me. The whole premise
of her work is teaching people that, you know, we
have these traits that we think are fixed in ourselves,
like curiosity, for example. We were talking about that earlier,
(09:58):
and we have this tendency to believe that, oh, we're
either born a curious person, or we're just born without
that curiosity. But doctor Emily Anhalt challenges us to believe
that we can actually do exercises and you know, workouts
to strengthen muscles like curiosity or self awareness. She actually
said that self awareness is the tool that we all
(10:20):
need to design our own life, because if we have
those blinders on, then we're not able to really see
ourselves authentically. Then we can't then make the changes that
we want to optimize our lives. And she also talked
about play too, which I think is so important our
as adults, we lose that sense of play and it
shows up in conversations whenever you made a stranger right, Like,
(10:43):
one of the tendencies is to ask, oh, what do
you do for work now? Ero? I'm thinking to myself,
maybe I'll start asking people when's the last time you played?
How hard did you play this week? What are you
doing for play?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Or did you have that Selena Gomez cookie yet? Because
dang it it's good?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Oh wait, can you can you tell me more about this?
I need to try this.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It tastes like red velvet cake. It is such an
incredible Oreo cookie. And what they've done is it's got
this caramel in it, and and the way that they've
mixed the normal Oreo little goofy stuff in it. It's
so amazing that that when you have one, you might
as well just take the entire package and go sit
alone and don't let anybody see you eat that whole package.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Arrow, this was going really well until you dropped this
new indulgence on me, because I already have a crumble
cookie problem. Okay, I cannot take another cookie addiction in
my life.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you go into these episodes knowing the agenda or
do you go in there as the listener and then
that then the path comes into play. In other words,
you give it to the universe and then because of
your skills, you're able to take it and run with it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Such a great question, Arrow, I've always been someone who
likes to really prepare for things. I think it just
makes me feel more confident as a performer and as
an interviewer. But then you do have to know when
to let go of that, and when to let go
of the preparation, and when to just let the humanity
and the energy of the conversation take on a life
(12:14):
of its own. So typically what I do is. I
really try to do my research as you do aero.
It's so evident that you care so much about that.
Try to do my research. I think about what questions
I want to ask, and then I go in. I
try to make the conversation flow and feel accessible for
the listener, but also create those pockets for following up.
(12:37):
I think it's all about the following up and all
about following up and just listening and knowing okay, yeah,
I want to press deeper here and leaning into that instinct.
How about you? How do you approach your interviews?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I show a prep a week out. In other words,
what we were talking, what we're talking about today was
actually show prepped way last week. And it's only because
when we come into this conversation, I have gone over
everything so many times that it's it's got to become
a conversation. It can't be sitting here going, well, how
are you doing simone today? Are we are we going
to talk about this? Because I mean I want to.
(13:10):
Maybe it's that curiosity thing, because it's it's and it's
not always in the question. Sometimes it's in the statement.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Uh huh, uh huh, exactly like you just did there.
I see what you did there. Yeah, no, it's so true.
I think the having that foundation of preparation and knowledge
about the guests then gives you that comfort and that
confidence to be able to go off the script.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yep. Yeah. Let's talk about Sarah Pain or Spain, because
because the thing that that that she does is something
that so many people in our creative world, we don't
know what to do when it happens, when those stupid
critics say no to us. How do we pick ourselves
back up and say yes, it's a battle and it's
like we've got to get through this wall, and if
we don't, oh my god. Which is why Sarah Spain
(13:57):
was a great guest.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
She's so inspiring and I was so motivated by her
story talking about how she was kind of pushed out
of a job, which you know, we don't often talk
about this, but like that comes with a lot of
shame and embarrassment yep. And those are really heavy emotions
(14:19):
to wade through and navigate, and we will all experience
it at some point in our careers. But she recognized
that moment as a moment for her to rise up
and bet on herself, and that I think that's what
I took away from that conversation was the level of
discernment that we need to have to examine our own
(14:42):
life and say, ooh, okay, this did not go the
way that I wanted it to. But maybe this is
actually an opportunity, you know, maybe this is an opportunity
for me to realize everything that I need is already
inside of me. For so long, I thought that I
needed permission from I'm a gatekeeper or you know, permission
(15:02):
from a stakeholder in order to do this thing that
I'm so passionate about. But well, when that permission goes away,
you got to give yourself the green light.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Do you live the lifestyle of just get it down?
In other words, if an idea comes to you and
you're going, oh, I'll get around to it, No, just
get it down, Get the idea down, and then build
upon it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I have a chaotic notes folder on my phone, and
so that should answer your question right there. I absolutely
have to write it down, because the way my brain works,
I will I will forget it. Are you that way? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. If I don't get it down, I'll walk away
and I'll find something new to play with.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, totally, totally I swear, and I know this is
so cliche now because everyone's talking about it, but I
swear I have undiagnosed ADHD. I really need to go
get that checked out. And because I can only imagine
how nice it would be to actually be able to
focus and hold all these thoughts together at once. But
I have kind of this like chaotic creative brain, which
(16:03):
has its benefits too.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
One of the things that you talk about is relaxation.
You say that can help us become even better at
being ourselves. But the problem is, though we've gotten to
the point now where rain from the sky is creating,
you know, chaos in our lives, and it's like, how
are you finding relaxation in this world that is just
being damaged?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
M It's so true. I am finding relaxation by giving
myself permission to not be part of that world, you know,
giving myself permission to disconnect. I took a social media
break earlier this year for about three months because the
pressure of just like keeping up with social media every
(16:46):
day and the algorithm and feeding the algorithm just really
started to impact my mental health. And taking a step
back and disconnecting really allowed my creativity to flourish. I
started writing and just felt really empowered as a creative
and as a storyteller. So I think it's about acknowledging. Yeah,
(17:11):
I can unplug, even though this world is chaotic. I
can you turn off the TV. I don't have to
watch the news right now. I can log off of
social media. I can get outside. Those are the things
that helped me. And also hang out with my kids.
Spending time with my kids. There's nothing like the energy
and the joy of a child to remind you how
(17:33):
to be truly present.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
In a split second, grandkids become twenty one year olds,
and that's where I am in life right now, a
twenty one year old granddaughter, And it's like, how in
God's name did this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh my gosh, I can only imagine. That's such a trip,
the way that time flies.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It does. But the good thing about it is I'm
a daily writer. So it's all documented in these journals
and and people go, what are you doing that for?
I don't know. I just know I'm supposed to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow, no way. So you have journals dating back to.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When nineteen ninety four July of nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Wow, and what was the catalyst that led you to
start journaling.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wrote a letter you know, Actually no, it wasn't. The
letter to my sister. Julia Cameron's The artist Way.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh my gosh, Julia Cameron. I'm such a big fan.
I love the Artist's Way. So you started doing you
started doing your morning pages.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
My morning pages, and I do it to this day.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wow. Okay, So, Errol, you know what, You're just the
homie Okay, because when I was talking about unplugging from
everything for a few months, I was doing the Artist's
Way and I felt so I felt so just aligned
and like lit up and empowered. Julia Cameron is my
dream guest for the bright Side. Fingers crossed that she
(18:50):
will make her way onto my show later this year.
But rash, that book is such a gift.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Reach out to her because she's been on my show.
I would, oh she has yeah, Oh my god, so
blown away by it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, I need to go back and listen to this.
Can you quickly tell me everything about it and her
and what it was like for you.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
She knew I was a student and she felt it,
and that's where we put our focus. It wasn't about me,
you know, doing my daily Pages. It was about what
are you going to do with what you have? And so,
and then we got into the vein of gold and
everything else because every book is sitting right here in
this room.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Wow. Oh that's so cool. Okay, I'm gonna have to
look up this interview. Can I Can I listen to
it online? Please? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Just go Arrow Collins with an E and then Julia
Cameron and it'll come up.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
We got to get together again. My god, twenty minutes
with you is not enough.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It really is an arrow you are. I mean, talk
about a gift. You are such a gift to this world,
such a gifted storyteller. And the way that you listen
and you can just hear it in your voice. You
care so much about each person that comes on your show.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Thank you, will you'd be Brillian today and I expect
to hear from you on season three.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, yes, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Thank you, Thank you, Erro
Every podcaster goes through it. People are always asking where
going to forge your podcast? I don't do iHeartRadio or Spotify.
Well it's very easy now Arrow dot net A r
r o e dot net. There are seventeen different podcasts
that you can put into your lifestyle. Arro dot net
A r R o e dot net. Hey, welcome back
to the conversation. Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number
(00:22):
four hundred is with Simone voice from the podcast The
bright Side. Hi Er, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm better now that I'm speaking to you. I remember
you from our last radio tour and you are such
a thoughtful host. I'm so excited to speak with you again.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
You know, I gotta tell you, I am such a
big fan of you because you believe in the path
that I walk upon. That and I don't find that
too often in a lot of people who want to
really reach out and touch people's lives. In fact, in
my writing today, I said, I'll bet you Simone today
will pick up five or six different new ideas from
everybody she's going to be interviewed by. Because you are
a student of life and you're gonna be hanging out
(00:59):
with co co student basically.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, of course. I mean I go through life looking
for opportunities to learn, and I think that just comes
from having this innately curious spirit. I've been that way
ever since I was a little girl, and I can
tell you have that as well. You're a curious person,
which is a beautiful trade.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it's because I like asking questions and then questioning
the answers. And I don't know where I pick that
up from, but I get better answers if you go
oh really okay, Simone, really go deeper than.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That wait erro That is so good. You said I
like asking questions and questioning the answers. I'm writing that
down because that's such a beautiful quote.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, the goal is is to really I mean, because
I'm always thinking about the listener, and so were you.
Because I feel like that you are my partner when
I'm driving in that car to go uptown Charlotte, and
you know, it's because I need someone to be in
there with me, and it's like I can sit there
and go, oh, okay, Simone, I know where you're going
with this, and your guests are so honest.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, yes, the honesty is a real win for me.
As you know someone who's spent many years as a
journalist and now transitioning into podcast hosting, But honesty is like, Wow,
if I can come away from a conversation, from an
interview and feel like I got the most honest, real
(02:18):
candid version of that person, that feels really gratifying. And
I think it not only feels gratifying for me, but
it also is really rewarding for the listener too, because
there's so much insincerity. Did I just make up a word?
There's so much there's so many elements of our world
(02:38):
today that are artificial or you know, hard to suss
out the integrity of. But when when you hear someone
really telling their story openly and honestly, that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You made that comment about jumping from a journalist to
a podcaster. How long did it take you to adjust
to that new voice, because as that journalist, it's always like, well, Johnny,
I'm down here on the corner of fifth and seventh,
and there has been so something that's taking place. We
don't talk like that in podcasting. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It's so true. It took me. It took me, I
want to say, it took me a couple of months. Honestly,
when we were launching this show, we had the benefit
of a development period, so we were able to get
in the studio play around, really acquaint ourselves with the
producing staff, and in that time, I really tried to
(03:24):
work on that transition from one career path where all
of the emphasis is out right, I'm not the focus
of the story, that the focus and the attention is
on the subject of the news story, and in podcasting
you got to flip it around and you gotta go
into that internal world and you have to be willing
(03:47):
to share more of yourself. So that was definitely a
new experience for me. But I find that it gets
easier all the time, and it gets easier through the
incredible guests that we that I've had on the season,
like Rachel Platten. She and I had an incredibly honest
conversation about motherhood. Sarah Spain, a sports journalist, We talked
(04:07):
and shared a lot of common ground around fighting for
legitimacy as a young reporter. So yeah, I find that
embracing this new role, as a relatively new role as
a podcast house that gets easier all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm so glad that you brought up Rachel Platten because
that's somebody I wanted to talk about because she's teaching
people how to find their voice again, which then inspired
me to step into the world of these younger people
that I'm with that seem to be quiet, and so
I'm learning it is the art of listening that will
bring somebody out of their shell.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
M the art of listening that will bring somebody out
of their shell. That's really good. Yeah, I think, well,
listening can be a really intimate experience, right, And it's
so when you feel like someone is really listening to you,
it touches you on a really deep level. And on
(04:59):
the other side, if you feel like someone is not
listening to you, then that touches you as well. But
I think one of the greatest gifts that we can
give each other, and a gift that I hope to
give my guests on the bright side, is the feeling
of being truly seen. That's something that has been so
powerful for me when I have friends who I feel
(05:20):
like truly see me. I know, I'm sure you feel
that way too, ero, So yeah, I just want to
give people that gift of feeling seen.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
See this proves that you and I are walking on
this same path, and because I don't believe people are
happy to see me, they're happy that I see them.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh yeah, that's so good. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And that to me is the relationship, that is the communication.
That's why I like right now, I'm doing so much
research on this thing called chaos, and I believe that
we're in a situation where we're creating chaos to get attention.
And that's not what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
M What are we supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We're supposed to be working into the channels of peace, forgiveness,
working into this area where we can work together, collaborate, communicate.
And I believe that it's not on a text message,
it's not on an email we've In fact, I was
just doing some research today on what's more important, zoom
or speaking on the telephone, And it's zoom because we
get to see your facial expressions and then both of
(06:20):
us are neither one of us are looking at each
other right now, but yet we're connected.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yes, that's exactly. Wait, I'm so curious to hear where
you're learning about chaos? Are you reading? I am? What
are you?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I will dig into everything. I mean, I go. I mean,
if you you would look at me in my living
room and say you're so boring. You're just always reading books.
You're always into this stuff. And because I don't read novels,
I read, you know, things that are about the heart.
I believe things that are about building the mind, replenishing
the soul, and not in a religious way, but in
a leadership role.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
What about Absolutely so in terms of what I'm reading
right now.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Reading studying, because your connection with everything is that it's
like you're wide open, but you're also very protective of
that openness.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh yeah, that's so accurate. So I'm lucky because through
this show I'm able to enjoy a lot of books
for potential guests that come on, and there are a
few that stood out to me recently. So we have
a guest that will be that you'll hear on our
show soon. Her name is Kasha or Boniac, and she
(07:31):
wrote a book called Unbound, A Woman's Guide to Power. Now,
this woman has a really interesting, unconventional background. She was
studying to be a dallast nun and the way that
she paid for that for that education was by being
a dominatrix in Manhattan, and what she learned through both
(07:54):
of these disciplines is that they actually have a lot
of overlap. She learned so much about power, how to
tap into it, and how to teach others how to
tap into it. And she shared what she learned through
this book and in her interview with me, and I
learned so much just about the idea of attention, like
how can we wield attention and how power changes and
(08:17):
shifts when our attention is out as opposed to when
our intention is in on our internal landscape. So that's
a book that I can think of recently that really
just got my wheels turning. There's there's so many, honestly,
But I also love I read nonfiction, and I also
do love fiction too. I love I Love My Dragon
and fantasy novels.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Please Do Not Move. My conversation with Simone Boys gets
even deeper. The name of the podcast, The bright Side.
It's season two. We're with Simone Voice. You brought up
some memories for me here when you were talking about,
you know, gaining that power and understanding what you're going
to do with your power, because in martial arts, we're
taught on what is your dongeon doing? Right now. The
(09:02):
dongeon is the lower part of your stomach where your
energy comes from. All of your energy comes from your dongeon.
And so when I bump into people that really are
kind of grumpy, I'll go, how tight are your pants
right now? And they'll say they're pretty tight. Well, your
dongeon is messed up. And I believe that when when
you feel loose that energy, your ore comes out in it.
And that, to me is what I feel on your show,
because you talk about health and wellness, you talk about
(09:23):
how we can learn to like with doctor Emily staying
emotionally fit. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that
people want to know, but nobody's talking about it unless
they find your podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, I am so glad you brought up that episode
with doctor Emily Anhalt. She wrote a book called Flex
Your Feelings, and this book was so it was this
conversation was so eye opening for me. The whole premise
of her work is teaching people that, you know, we
have these traits that we think are fixed in ourselves,
like curiosity, for example. We were talking about that earlier,
(09:58):
and we have this tendency to believe that, oh, we're
either born a curious person, or we're just born without
that curiosity. But doctor Emily Anhalt challenges us to believe
that we can actually do exercises and you know, workouts
to strengthen muscles like curiosity or self awareness. She actually
said that self awareness is the tool that we all
(10:20):
need to design our own life, because if we have
those blinders on, then we're not able to really see
ourselves authentically. Then we can't then make the changes that
we want to optimize our lives. And she also talked
about play too, which I think is so important our
as adults, we lose that sense of play and it
shows up in conversations whenever you made a stranger right, Like,
(10:43):
one of the tendencies is to ask, oh, what do
you do for work now? Ero? I'm thinking to myself,
maybe I'll start asking people when's the last time you played?
How hard did you play this week? What are you
doing for play?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Or did you have that Selena Gomez cookie yet? Because
dang it it's good?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Oh wait, can you can you tell me more about this?
I need to try this.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It tastes like red velvet cake. It is such an
incredible Oreo cookie. And what they've done is it's got
this caramel in it, and and the way that they've
mixed the normal Oreo little goofy stuff in it. It's
so amazing that that when you have one, you might
as well just take the entire package and go sit
alone and don't let anybody see you eat that whole package.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Arrow, this was going really well until you dropped this
new indulgence on me, because I already have a crumble
cookie problem. Okay, I cannot take another cookie addiction in
my life.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you go into these episodes knowing the agenda or
do you go in there as the listener and then
that then the path comes into play. In other words,
you give it to the universe and then because of
your skills, you're able to take it and run with it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Such a great question, Arrow, I've always been someone who
likes to really prepare for things. I think it just
makes me feel more confident as a performer and as
an interviewer. But then you do have to know when
to let go of that, and when to let go
of the preparation, and when to just let the humanity
and the energy of the conversation take on a life
(12:14):
of its own. So typically what I do is. I
really try to do my research as you do aero.
It's so evident that you care so much about that.
Try to do my research. I think about what questions
I want to ask, and then I go in. I
try to make the conversation flow and feel accessible for
the listener, but also create those pockets for following up.
(12:37):
I think it's all about the following up and all
about following up and just listening and knowing okay, yeah,
I want to press deeper here and leaning into that instinct.
How about you? How do you approach your interviews?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I show a prep a week out. In other words,
what we were talking, what we're talking about today was
actually show prepped way last week. And it's only because
when we come into this conversation, I have gone over
everything so many times that it's it's got to become
a conversation. It can't be sitting here going, well, how
are you doing simone today? Are we are we going
to talk about this? Because I mean I want to.
(13:10):
Maybe it's that curiosity thing, because it's it's and it's
not always in the question. Sometimes it's in the statement.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Uh huh, uh huh, exactly like you just did there.
I see what you did there. Yeah, no, it's so true.
I think the having that foundation of preparation and knowledge
about the guests then gives you that comfort and that
confidence to be able to go off the script.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yep. Yeah. Let's talk about Sarah Pain or Spain, because
because the thing that that that she does is something
that so many people in our creative world, we don't
know what to do when it happens, when those stupid
critics say no to us. How do we pick ourselves
back up and say yes, it's a battle and it's
like we've got to get through this wall, and if
we don't, oh my god. Which is why Sarah Spain
(13:57):
was a great guest.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
She's so inspiring and I was so motivated by her
story talking about how she was kind of pushed out
of a job, which you know, we don't often talk
about this, but like that comes with a lot of
shame and embarrassment yep. And those are really heavy emotions
(14:19):
to wade through and navigate, and we will all experience
it at some point in our careers. But she recognized
that moment as a moment for her to rise up
and bet on herself, and that I think that's what
I took away from that conversation was the level of
discernment that we need to have to examine our own
(14:42):
life and say, ooh, okay, this did not go the
way that I wanted it to. But maybe this is
actually an opportunity, you know, maybe this is an opportunity
for me to realize everything that I need is already
inside of me. For so long, I thought that I
needed permission from I'm a gatekeeper or you know, permission
(15:02):
from a stakeholder in order to do this thing that
I'm so passionate about. But well, when that permission goes away,
you got to give yourself the green light.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Do you live the lifestyle of just get it down?
In other words, if an idea comes to you and
you're going, oh, I'll get around to it, No, just
get it down, Get the idea down, and then build
upon it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I have a chaotic notes folder on my phone, and
so that should answer your question right there. I absolutely
have to write it down, because the way my brain works,
I will I will forget it. Are you that way? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. If I don't get it down, I'll walk away
and I'll find something new to play with.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, totally, totally I swear, and I know this is
so cliche now because everyone's talking about it, but I
swear I have undiagnosed ADHD. I really need to go
get that checked out. And because I can only imagine
how nice it would be to actually be able to
focus and hold all these thoughts together at once. But
I have kind of this like chaotic creative brain, which
(16:03):
has its benefits too.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
One of the things that you talk about is relaxation.
You say that can help us become even better at
being ourselves. But the problem is, though we've gotten to
the point now where rain from the sky is creating,
you know, chaos in our lives, and it's like, how
are you finding relaxation in this world that is just
being damaged?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
M It's so true. I am finding relaxation by giving
myself permission to not be part of that world, you know,
giving myself permission to disconnect. I took a social media
break earlier this year for about three months because the
pressure of just like keeping up with social media every
(16:46):
day and the algorithm and feeding the algorithm just really
started to impact my mental health. And taking a step
back and disconnecting really allowed my creativity to flourish. I
started writing and just felt really empowered as a creative
and as a storyteller. So I think it's about acknowledging. Yeah,
(17:11):
I can unplug, even though this world is chaotic. I
can you turn off the TV. I don't have to
watch the news right now. I can log off of
social media. I can get outside. Those are the things
that helped me. And also hang out with my kids.
Spending time with my kids. There's nothing like the energy
and the joy of a child to remind you how
(17:33):
to be truly present.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
In a split second, grandkids become twenty one year olds,
and that's where I am in life right now, a
twenty one year old granddaughter, And it's like, how in
God's name did this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh my gosh, I can only imagine. That's such a trip,
the way that time flies.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It does. But the good thing about it is I'm
a daily writer. So it's all documented in these journals
and and people go, what are you doing that for?
I don't know. I just know I'm supposed to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Wow, no way. So you have journals dating back to.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When nineteen ninety four July of nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Wow, and what was the catalyst that led you to
start journaling.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Wrote a letter you know, Actually no, it wasn't. The
letter to my sister. Julia Cameron's The artist Way.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh my gosh, Julia Cameron. I'm such a big fan.
I love the Artist's Way. So you started doing you
started doing your morning pages.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
My morning pages, and I do it to this day.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wow. Okay, So, Errol, you know what, You're just the
homie Okay, because when I was talking about unplugging from
everything for a few months, I was doing the Artist's
Way and I felt so I felt so just aligned
and like lit up and empowered. Julia Cameron is my
dream guest for the bright Side. Fingers crossed that she
(18:50):
will make her way onto my show later this year.
But rash, that book is such a gift.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Reach out to her because she's been on my show.
I would, oh she has yeah, Oh my god, so
blown away by it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Okay, I need to go back and listen to this.
Can you quickly tell me everything about it and her
and what it was like for you.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
She knew I was a student and she felt it,
and that's where we put our focus. It wasn't about me,
you know, doing my daily Pages. It was about what
are you going to do with what you have? And so,
and then we got into the vein of gold and
everything else because every book is sitting right here in
this room.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Wow. Oh that's so cool. Okay, I'm gonna have to
look up this interview. Can I Can I listen to
it online? Please? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Just go Arrow Collins with an E and then Julia
Cameron and it'll come up.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Fantastic.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
We got to get together again. My god, twenty minutes
with you is not enough.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It really is an arrow you are. I mean, talk
about a gift. You are such a gift to this world,
such a gifted storyteller. And the way that you listen
and you can just hear it in your voice. You
care so much about each person that comes on your show.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Thank you, will you'd be Brillian today and I expect
to hear from you on season three.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, yes, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Thank you, Thank you, Erro
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