July 26, 2025 • 15 mins
Pod Crashing episode 380 with Dr Leslie Dobson from the podcast Intentionally Disturbing. Join Dr. Leslie Dobson on this podcast as she navigates the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people-all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, she offers a unique interview style and a low tolerance for b-s, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. She honors the seriousness while also appreciating wit. She's your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I want to thank you for being a part
of the conversation. Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number
three eighty is with doctor Leslie Dobson from the podcast
Intentionally Disturbing.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am upright and early drinking a Celsius.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey, before we even get started, I gotta tell you
I love the way that you allow real language to
be a part of this podcast, because you have to
know inside your soul as listeners, that we are using
the same words. We're sitting there going holy fuck. Are
you kidding me? What is going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, And I'm not going to make any money off this,
but fuck it, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On a mission.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I mean, when you first step into your podcast Intentionally Disturbing,
I don't think that the average person doesn't know what
to expect. But when you get into the stories, I
mean it it is so into what goes on in
a real life situation, especially since if you've seen Final Destination,
you're living these stories right here inside your podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh that isn't that true?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Actually every episode has some kind of horrifying final destination.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean, but they're here to live and talk about it,
so it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
H I mean, jumping onto a pirate ship, and the
only way you're going to survive is to whip out
that knife, because if you do a gun, it's going
to hit somebody else. I mean you, I mean your
guests will take it to the I mean beyond the
limit of because they want us to feel what they
were going through, right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And they feel comfortable telling me, which I appreciate, And
because I've gone through so much of my own shit
in life, working in prisons and being assaulted and you know,
having I've probably had fifteen different surgeries, emergency surgeries, and
I've been stocked, harassed, all of this. My stupid TikTok
video that went viral about a shopping cart.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think people can relate to me as much as
I can relate to them, even if they have these
crazy CIA cartel stories.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How is it you find the strength to waive through
the murky waters of human behavior?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I do drugs, do you? I?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You know, I watch bad television. I like a glass
of wine.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm married to a psychologist and I have been doing
it for twenty years. So I'm just I have this
healthy level of detachment to see the reality, but walk
away from it when I need to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well The one thing that I've learned though, over the
past I say ten years, is the fact that we
all think that we've got this legal license to say
whatever we feel. It's almost like listening to my daughter
tell our kids, tell me what you feel, use your words.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes, And you know, I think in the world of podcasting,
which now we can win awards for, so I am
sure more and more people will be doing this. People
don't have the education or the experience professionally to be
commenting and looking into the things they are. And so
if I'm we're going to talk to somebody who has
severe trauma like Tara Newall who murdered her stepfather and
(03:05):
stabbed him in the eye, I need to hand her.
I need to hold her with kid gloves. I have
to be careful.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah but yeah, but how are you able to get inside?
Because you know, you can't just show up with a
bunch of prepared questions. I mean, you've got to put
listening first.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I do. And what I've learned the biggest question I
had in school was you know, how the fuck do
you do that? And the answer was, you know, you'll
figure out how to be one hundred percent with yourself
and one hundred percent with the person you're listening to, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
To me that sounded obscene.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Does it involve to eye contact, then.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If they can handle it right, Some people can't all
handle it. But what I try to do is at
least be seventy percent present and then thirty percent with
my to do list and my own anxiety and neuroses.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Humanity, But I was gonna say humanity is naturally dark.
I mean, to me, I find energy in that. I mean,
what are you when you step into that dark zone?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's very powerful.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's very powerful to see people, to see the capacity
of a human when they don't present like that initially.
So I really enjoy getting into the depth and the
disturbing depth of humans and then sitting across from them
and seeing them as light hearted at times and joking
(04:27):
on a mission. They're so resilient, they're future oriented. You know,
they might have murdered and robbed and committed heinous crimes,
or they might have had a lot of dead babies
and they can save them as a doctor. They might
have been a lawyer and they were on the side
of the sex offender.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Imagine you know Sean Holmes's lawyers, right now, how do
they sleep at night? But at the end of the day,
we all are.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Human, and we all have the capacity to be dark,
vicious animals if need be, and I love that we
can tap into that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I have a friend that was one of the greatest
people on the planet, and then he became the photographer
for the police department taking pictures of dead people. He
went insane. He went insane. It's like and I did
not understand it until he explained it to me. He says,
I'm surrounded by death. Dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right, right, And.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What happens is it becomes very normalized. You know, if
you see a lot of suicide, then suicide is closer.
It is easier for you. You'll think about it more. If
you were to reach a level of depression, suicide is
an easier answer for you. And so our profession really
dictates how our mind starts to unfold. Now, I've been
(05:40):
lucky enough to not want to murder people or you know,
I don't have a desire to eat anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't want to pull my eyeballs out.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But I've taken the time to thoroughly understand why these
individuals are doing it and how they're going to recover
from it, or if they can't, where they need to
be locked away.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Lisa claims that she can see the dead. Now I
kind of chuckled when I saw that, because it's I
don't see the dead, but I feel the.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Dead because part of you is dead or uh.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know, because I believe that I've allowed myself to
be the receiver, and that I believe that there's life
after death. It's not death at all, it's a continuation.
And I believe in the energy that that that other
people hold and they're just waiting for somebody to give
it to as you pass them by.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
See.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm such a skeptic and I always hu been, but
Lisa was the first person I met where I really
truly believed she wasn't schizophrenic.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Wow, so she I mean for her to be so
open with it, though, I mean, I mean she had
to have been bumped into a lot of people that
go stop at Lisa, I'm tired of these dead stories.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
She she won't talk about it. You know, you don't
see it. She's she's a small, beautiful, young blonde girl.
But we will be getting cocktails and I will say
you know who's here, who's here?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Ha ha, Well see, I that's like Russell Crowe in
Beautiful Mind. I do believe that each and every one
of us are walking with people beside us, and that
we definitely feel their presence. We just don't want to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes and right.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It could be in this spiritual realm, or it may
be our own traumas and our own burdens as well.
And I think the great thing about Lisa is she
identifies as a medium, but she also has this capacity
to understand emotions and she works with first responders. Yeah,
and so she's a brilliant person to talk to. And
I loved that because I really did grow up evangelistically atheist.
(07:38):
To have Lisa in my life, I've really had to
learn to not be judgmental.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So let me ask you a question. Lisa being the
medium and you doing what you do, is it not
one and the same except you see live people.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And I send clients to her as well, when you
know when they're at a stock point.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Please do not move. There is more with doctor Leslie
Dobson coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to
my conversation with doctor Leslie Dobson. Her podcast intentionally disturbing
the dark spirits. I mean, it's it's the physical act
of acceptance. But when we step into those waters, though,
it can also be very dark. For instance, if you
walked into my studio and you saw all of my
(08:21):
Native American spirituality tools, you might look at me and say,
I'll come back a little bit later on.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know, I might dive right in. But yeah, I
mean walking to my studio, I have a prison cell
I built inside it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh my god, there see another reason to fall in
love with intentionally disturbing. Oh my god, So you do
walk the path.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
We have a working prison cell, which my black German
shepherd goes into because she's an attack dog. And then
we have a hot pink kitchen. And so depending on
your mood and your darkness, you can choose where you
sit it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So what is it about your studio that is attractive
to your dog? Because my dog Jazzy is really in
love with the presence of this studio. I don't know
if it's because there's it's soundproofd or there's so much
energy that goes on in here throughout the entire day.
What do you think it is? Using your professionalism what
are dogs feeling?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
What are dogs feeling? I think it studios feel so
safe where we genuinely can just be ourselves. Yeah, and
a dog can know that. And then when I have
clients coming in, the dog knows to stay with me
or stay with them, depending on who's more threatening.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wow, do you think that Jeremy Jeremy Viking, his story
is so authentic to me, it's a conversation starter. You
lived it before we received it. How did you accept
it as it was happening, and how did you keep
digging in for more.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Jeremy's an incredible person and having spent life and he
spent a lot long time in prison, and so we
have this, we have insight we didn't get before. We
hear Jeremy right. And I think the most incredible point
for me was when I was threatened. I was pregnant
and somebody wanted to kill me and kill my baby
(10:17):
in the prison and one of the more og gangsters
pulled me aside and he said, you know, I know
you've done a lot for me. I need to tell
you this is the last day you're stepping into the facility.
He said, you got to get out, And that was
the last day I was in there, and when I
told Jeremy that I assumed it was I assumed it
was inmates that were following me and tracking me on
the outside they knew I was pregnant. And Jeremy said,
(10:39):
no way, it was the guards.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was the staff.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right away. I'm thinking of that that prison break that
just took place last week. You know it was the guards.
And you know, we never look at the guards until
it's too late.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right, And I got to tell you, you know, I don't
want to go into conspiracies, but when people are high
profile and they're on suicide watch, they can't kill themselves.
So if we think about someone like Epstein, I really
don't think it is plausible unless the guard left him
alone long enough for him to end his life. And
(11:16):
we'll have talk like this on the show.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah well yeah, But see, that's why this show is
so important to real people. And you've got to be
able to put up your guard at first, so that
it's because you're going to hear stuff that is going
to shock you. And that's what I love about this
show is that you're shocked, but you're also going what
the hell?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yes, like you know, one of one of the people
on the show is a police officer who did child
trafficking that was a specialty and online child trafficking. And
you know, I'm by the beach, I'm in Orange County.
It's beautiful here, but that's right, one step away, one
block away is where people will put children to get
(11:57):
picked up to be trafficked. And you wouldn't know that,
nless you are a cop around here. Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know they say that Charlotte is number four in
a country for trafficking. I can so relate with what
you're talking about. And you know, and so many people
walk blindly through this city, yes.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And so many people are unaware of what these terms mean.
You know, what is sex work? What is trafficking? What
is racketeering? You know when when is somebody manipulated.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Or groomed or coerced?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And this podcast brings on individuals who have survived it,
who have been trafficked, but also the experts in the field,
the professionals, to help us understand what it actually is
outside of what the media explains it as and where
we are all censored. This is a completely uncensored podcast.
(12:48):
It will make no money, will probably be closed, but
we've got a good solid year of it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But you know what's really cool here, though, doctor, is
the fact that you are very open yourself because you
will not return a shopping cart because of predators. And
I totally understand that because one of my essential jobs
does I work at a grocery store. You have no
idea how many people that we escort out to their cars.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's wonderful to hear that you do that.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I said people are in fear right now.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I think people should be in fear. I mean, I
don't think people should live in a state of constant vigilance.
But if your intuition is telling you to look around,
to hurry up to leave the cart, trust your intuition
and tell everyone who's judging you to fuck off because
we need to keep yourself safe.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Hey, the Dalai Lama says, we have lived this life before.
I think that sometimes our memories are what we did
in the last lifetime.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There is something genuinely true about you know, we feel
in our body before we feel it in our brain.
And in especially in American society, we are told not
to trust that unless we have the words and the
articulate understanding to explain why we're doing something we shouldn't
do it. That doesn't make any fucking sense to me.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
When did you know in your life that you were
you were just getting That's it. There's no more bullshit
in my life. We're going to go ahead and where
I'm going to accept people for who they are. But
do not even give me any of that bs, because
I'm going to call your ass out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh. I was around ten years old. I say when
I heard adults arguing and I heard them gaslighting each
other and sweeping things under the rug, and I said,
I can't believe you're letting this happen when it's so
obviously pathological and unhealthy. I can't believe that you don't
have the capacity to just endure this conversation and come
(14:44):
to a resolution.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I said that my father at.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
One point, and he was like, Oh, stay in your lane, child. Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Where can people go to find out more about you,
doctor Leslie, Because I mean, it's more than just a
podcast in your life, you are living the path.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yes, my website, Doctor Leslie Doobson dot com intentionally Disturbing
dot com is the podcast website. And then I'm very,
very active on Instagram and TikTok with doctor Leslie Doctor
Leslie dot com, and then I genuinely will read your
comments and respond to you, and if they're rude comments,
I'll stick the SBI on you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Please come back to the show anytime in the future.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, Doctor I plan to be.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Thank you you too,
Hey, I want to thank you for being a part
of the conversation. Let's do some pod crashing. Episode number
three eighty is with doctor Leslie Dobson from the podcast
Intentionally Disturbing.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am upright and early drinking a Celsius.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey, before we even get started, I gotta tell you
I love the way that you allow real language to
be a part of this podcast, because you have to
know inside your soul as listeners, that we are using
the same words. We're sitting there going holy fuck. Are
you kidding me? What is going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, And I'm not going to make any money off this,
but fuck it, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
On a mission.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I mean, when you first step into your podcast Intentionally Disturbing,
I don't think that the average person doesn't know what
to expect. But when you get into the stories, I
mean it it is so into what goes on in
a real life situation, especially since if you've seen Final Destination,
you're living these stories right here inside your podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh that isn't that true?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Actually every episode has some kind of horrifying final destination.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean, but they're here to live and talk about it,
so it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
H I mean, jumping onto a pirate ship, and the
only way you're going to survive is to whip out
that knife, because if you do a gun, it's going
to hit somebody else. I mean you, I mean your
guests will take it to the I mean beyond the
limit of because they want us to feel what they
were going through, right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And they feel comfortable telling me, which I appreciate, And
because I've gone through so much of my own shit
in life, working in prisons and being assaulted and you know,
having I've probably had fifteen different surgeries, emergency surgeries, and
I've been stocked, harassed, all of this. My stupid TikTok
video that went viral about a shopping cart.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think people can relate to me as much as
I can relate to them, even if they have these
crazy CIA cartel stories.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
How is it you find the strength to waive through
the murky waters of human behavior?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I do drugs, do you? I?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You know, I watch bad television. I like a glass
of wine.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm married to a psychologist and I have been doing
it for twenty years. So I'm just I have this
healthy level of detachment to see the reality, but walk
away from it when I need to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well The one thing that I've learned though, over the
past I say ten years, is the fact that we
all think that we've got this legal license to say
whatever we feel. It's almost like listening to my daughter
tell our kids, tell me what you feel, use your words.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yes, And you know, I think in the world of podcasting,
which now we can win awards for, so I am
sure more and more people will be doing this. People
don't have the education or the experience professionally to be
commenting and looking into the things they are. And so
if I'm we're going to talk to somebody who has
severe trauma like Tara Newall who murdered her stepfather and
(03:05):
stabbed him in the eye, I need to hand her.
I need to hold her with kid gloves. I have
to be careful.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah but yeah, but how are you able to get inside?
Because you know, you can't just show up with a
bunch of prepared questions. I mean, you've got to put
listening first.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I do. And what I've learned the biggest question I
had in school was you know, how the fuck do
you do that? And the answer was, you know, you'll
figure out how to be one hundred percent with yourself
and one hundred percent with the person you're listening to, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
To me that sounded obscene.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Does it involve to eye contact, then.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If they can handle it right, Some people can't all
handle it. But what I try to do is at
least be seventy percent present and then thirty percent with
my to do list and my own anxiety and neuroses.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Humanity, But I was gonna say humanity is naturally dark.
I mean, to me, I find energy in that. I mean,
what are you when you step into that dark zone?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's very powerful.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's very powerful to see people, to see the capacity
of a human when they don't present like that initially.
So I really enjoy getting into the depth and the
disturbing depth of humans and then sitting across from them
and seeing them as light hearted at times and joking
(04:27):
on a mission. They're so resilient, they're future oriented. You know,
they might have murdered and robbed and committed heinous crimes,
or they might have had a lot of dead babies
and they can save them as a doctor. They might
have been a lawyer and they were on the side
of the sex offender.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Imagine you know Sean Holmes's lawyers, right now, how do
they sleep at night? But at the end of the day,
we all are.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Human, and we all have the capacity to be dark,
vicious animals if need be, and I love that we
can tap into that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I have a friend that was one of the greatest
people on the planet, and then he became the photographer
for the police department taking pictures of dead people. He
went insane. He went insane. It's like and I did
not understand it until he explained it to me. He says,
I'm surrounded by death. Dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right, right, And.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What happens is it becomes very normalized. You know, if
you see a lot of suicide, then suicide is closer.
It is easier for you. You'll think about it more. If
you were to reach a level of depression, suicide is
an easier answer for you. And so our profession really
dictates how our mind starts to unfold. Now, I've been
(05:40):
lucky enough to not want to murder people or you know,
I don't have a desire to eat anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't want to pull my eyeballs out.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But I've taken the time to thoroughly understand why these
individuals are doing it and how they're going to recover
from it, or if they can't, where they need to
be locked away.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Lisa claims that she can see the dead. Now I
kind of chuckled when I saw that, because it's I
don't see the dead, but I feel the.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Dead because part of you is dead or uh.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know, because I believe that I've allowed myself to
be the receiver, and that I believe that there's life
after death. It's not death at all, it's a continuation.
And I believe in the energy that that that other
people hold and they're just waiting for somebody to give
it to as you pass them by.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
See.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm such a skeptic and I always hu been, but
Lisa was the first person I met where I really
truly believed she wasn't schizophrenic.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Wow, so she I mean for her to be so
open with it, though, I mean, I mean she had
to have been bumped into a lot of people that
go stop at Lisa, I'm tired of these dead stories.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
She she won't talk about it. You know, you don't
see it. She's she's a small, beautiful, young blonde girl.
But we will be getting cocktails and I will say
you know who's here, who's here?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Ha ha, Well see, I that's like Russell Crowe in
Beautiful Mind. I do believe that each and every one
of us are walking with people beside us, and that
we definitely feel their presence. We just don't want to
talk about it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes and right.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
It could be in this spiritual realm, or it may
be our own traumas and our own burdens as well.
And I think the great thing about Lisa is she
identifies as a medium, but she also has this capacity
to understand emotions and she works with first responders. Yeah,
and so she's a brilliant person to talk to. And
I loved that because I really did grow up evangelistically atheist.
(07:38):
To have Lisa in my life, I've really had to
learn to not be judgmental.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So let me ask you a question. Lisa being the
medium and you doing what you do, is it not
one and the same except you see live people.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And I send clients to her as well, when you
know when they're at a stock point.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Please do not move. There is more with doctor Leslie
Dobson coming up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to
my conversation with doctor Leslie Dobson. Her podcast intentionally disturbing
the dark spirits. I mean, it's it's the physical act
of acceptance. But when we step into those waters, though,
it can also be very dark. For instance, if you
walked into my studio and you saw all of my
(08:21):
Native American spirituality tools, you might look at me and say,
I'll come back a little bit later on.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know, I might dive right in. But yeah, I
mean walking to my studio, I have a prison cell
I built inside it.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh my god, there see another reason to fall in
love with intentionally disturbing. Oh my god, So you do
walk the path.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
We have a working prison cell, which my black German
shepherd goes into because she's an attack dog. And then
we have a hot pink kitchen. And so depending on
your mood and your darkness, you can choose where you
sit it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So what is it about your studio that is attractive
to your dog? Because my dog Jazzy is really in
love with the presence of this studio. I don't know
if it's because there's it's soundproofd or there's so much
energy that goes on in here throughout the entire day.
What do you think it is? Using your professionalism what
are dogs feeling?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
What are dogs feeling? I think it studios feel so
safe where we genuinely can just be ourselves. Yeah, and
a dog can know that. And then when I have
clients coming in, the dog knows to stay with me
or stay with them, depending on who's more threatening.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wow, do you think that Jeremy Jeremy Viking, his story
is so authentic to me, it's a conversation starter. You
lived it before we received it. How did you accept
it as it was happening, and how did you keep
digging in for more.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Jeremy's an incredible person and having spent life and he
spent a lot long time in prison, and so we
have this, we have insight we didn't get before. We
hear Jeremy right. And I think the most incredible point
for me was when I was threatened. I was pregnant
and somebody wanted to kill me and kill my baby
(10:17):
in the prison and one of the more og gangsters
pulled me aside and he said, you know, I know
you've done a lot for me. I need to tell
you this is the last day you're stepping into the facility.
He said, you got to get out, And that was
the last day I was in there, and when I
told Jeremy that I assumed it was I assumed it
was inmates that were following me and tracking me on
the outside they knew I was pregnant. And Jeremy said,
(10:39):
no way, it was the guards.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was the staff.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right away. I'm thinking of that that prison break that
just took place last week. You know it was the guards.
And you know, we never look at the guards until
it's too late.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Right, And I got to tell you, you know, I don't
want to go into conspiracies, but when people are high
profile and they're on suicide watch, they can't kill themselves.
So if we think about someone like Epstein, I really
don't think it is plausible unless the guard left him
alone long enough for him to end his life. And
(11:16):
we'll have talk like this on the show.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah well yeah, But see, that's why this show is
so important to real people. And you've got to be
able to put up your guard at first, so that
it's because you're going to hear stuff that is going
to shock you. And that's what I love about this
show is that you're shocked, but you're also going what
the hell?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yes, like you know, one of one of the people
on the show is a police officer who did child
trafficking that was a specialty and online child trafficking. And
you know, I'm by the beach, I'm in Orange County.
It's beautiful here, but that's right, one step away, one
block away is where people will put children to get
(11:57):
picked up to be trafficked. And you wouldn't know that,
nless you are a cop around here. Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know they say that Charlotte is number four in
a country for trafficking. I can so relate with what
you're talking about. And you know, and so many people
walk blindly through this city, yes.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
And so many people are unaware of what these terms mean.
You know, what is sex work? What is trafficking? What
is racketeering? You know when when is somebody manipulated.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Or groomed or coerced?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And this podcast brings on individuals who have survived it,
who have been trafficked, but also the experts in the field,
the professionals, to help us understand what it actually is
outside of what the media explains it as and where
we are all censored. This is a completely uncensored podcast.
(12:48):
It will make no money, will probably be closed, but
we've got a good solid year of it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But you know what's really cool here, though, doctor, is
the fact that you are very open yourself because you
will not return a shopping cart because of predators. And
I totally understand that because one of my essential jobs
does I work at a grocery store. You have no
idea how many people that we escort out to their cars.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's wonderful to hear that you do that.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I said people are in fear right now.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I think people should be in fear. I mean, I
don't think people should live in a state of constant vigilance.
But if your intuition is telling you to look around,
to hurry up to leave the cart, trust your intuition
and tell everyone who's judging you to fuck off because
we need to keep yourself safe.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Hey, the Dalai Lama says, we have lived this life before.
I think that sometimes our memories are what we did
in the last lifetime.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There is something genuinely true about you know, we feel
in our body before we feel it in our brain.
And in especially in American society, we are told not
to trust that unless we have the words and the
articulate understanding to explain why we're doing something we shouldn't
do it. That doesn't make any fucking sense to me.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
When did you know in your life that you were
you were just getting That's it. There's no more bullshit
in my life. We're going to go ahead and where
I'm going to accept people for who they are. But
do not even give me any of that bs, because
I'm going to call your ass out.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh. I was around ten years old. I say when
I heard adults arguing and I heard them gaslighting each
other and sweeping things under the rug, and I said,
I can't believe you're letting this happen when it's so
obviously pathological and unhealthy. I can't believe that you don't
have the capacity to just endure this conversation and come
(14:44):
to a resolution.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I said that my father at.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
One point, and he was like, Oh, stay in your lane, child. Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Where can people go to find out more about you,
doctor Leslie, Because I mean, it's more than just a
podcast in your life, you are living the path.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yes, my website, Doctor Leslie Doobson dot com intentionally Disturbing
dot com is the podcast website. And then I'm very,
very active on Instagram and TikTok with doctor Leslie Doctor
Leslie dot com, and then I genuinely will read your
comments and respond to you, and if they're rude comments,
I'll stick the SBI on you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Please come back to the show anytime in the future.
The door is always going to be open for you.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, Doctor I plan to be.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Thank you you too,
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