September 20, 2025 • 17 mins
Pod Crashing episode 389 with Hope Woodard from the podcast The Boy Sober Movement. Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns-all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, welcome back to the conversation. Let's do some podcrashing.
Episode number three eighty nine is with Hope Wodd from
the podcast The Boy Sober Movement.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm great, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with you,
because very easily on this podcast you could have gone psychological,
you could have gone so dang deep that you know
that it was very spiritual. But I love the fact
that you added your personality to it. There are many
times that I feel and experience the humor and your
open heartedness, and I mean, I just love the way
that you designed this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
M thank you so much. That's so kind of you
to say.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What was it like to be this honest or transparent
on the podcast because a lot of heep.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, yeah, you know, it's interesting because I guess I
got my start in this world of like entertainment and
talking for a living or whatever on the internet. So
being extremely honest and extremely vulnerable online is sort of
what got me to this podcast. And you know what,
(01:03):
it's a double edged sword sometimes, but I do think
that like it's one of the only ways to really
create something meaningful or maybe create something that is, you know,
you want I guess I want my projects to feel vulnerable.
And because I think the most honest and vulnerable someone
(01:23):
can be.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hopefully calls people.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In and hopefully people can like sense that vulnerability and
want to put it out in the world themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So is it always easy.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's not always easy, but I do think it is
always worth it, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And one of the things that I mean, do do
you fear that once you record a show, is it like,
can we go back in there and re record that.
I know I want to give it one more touch.
I know I can say one more thing, or do
you just say okay right now?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, like listening back to the episodes of course,
like every now and again where I'm like, oh gosh, maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I should have said this this way, maybe I should
have said that way.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
But even sometimes it happens for people, and like interviewing,
like I've got a great friend who like wrote a
Christian like me and sort of left the church for
a while and came onto the podcast to talk about
sort of like you know, relearning religion and relearning Christianity
because it can be twisted in a way that does
(02:27):
I think more harm than good, as you know all
religions can be. And I think after we did the interview,
they were like really nervous. They misspoke about like the
community that that that they kind of came from, you know.
So we like worked together to sort of like cushion
that honesty and so yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You know, like being honest and being vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's like it's it's scary stuff, but it really is,
I think the only way to like create something meaningful.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't want with you just saying that. It took
me right to Stephen Fredick, my pastor at Elevation Church,
in the way that he says, drop the four walls
of the church and get out there on the streets.
And now that I've listened to and experienced boy sober,
I'm going she's doing exactly that. She is helping people,
She's doing that Christian thing, but in a way that
isn't offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, you know, like you know, like I heard this
one preacher once say, like the like honestly, the only
sin is anything that works a great against the grain
of love, you know. And I think so often in religions,
like people can become like a bit obsessed with who's
(03:39):
doing something right, who's doing something wrong, who's sinful, who's not?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Da da da da da.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And I just think like the only way to be
like a truly kind of like the best Christian you
can possibly be or whatever is to just be truly
inclusive and loving and caring and to try and like
create that connection constantly, to try to like really shine
light on people and what they're going through, and how
(04:06):
to sort of like use that for more connection and
more honesty. So it's been an exciting project, you know,
and I feel I can't kind of I'm really excited
to see where it goes, Yeah, where it takes us.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But you know how people are hope because they'll sit
there and they'll say, I'm gonna help out this person.
I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be compassionate, I'm gonna
I'm gonna show them support. But now I'm gonna get
something in return, Which is what led me to this
question in the way of what would happen is if
in life we stopped feeling this need of being wanted
and focused on and we just showed up without having
to have a pat on the back.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, there's there's this really great kind of like coffee
table book quote I got from a friend of mine
that was like, when you walk into a room, you
shouldn't say like, hello, here I am. You should walk
into a room and say, oh my gosh, there you are,
you know, And that's it's just like something that's always
(05:01):
stuck with me. And so yeah, this feeling of like
not acting in a way to be wanted, but just
or like to not like constantly constantly be looking for something,
looking for love, but to be the person who is loving,
who is giving that love. And so that's something this
(05:22):
podcast is really about to most definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, you open up the door for that. It's almost
like you're saying, hey, look when when when you do
walk into that room, don't sit there and say are
people happy to see me? No, you take the step
so you can see them they want to be.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, exactly, be happy to see them, Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You say something in this podcast that what is a
voiceover journey? I know what a voiceover actor is and
a voiceover commercial star is, but what is a voiceover journey?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, it's because the word voice sober sounds so similar
to the word voiceover, and even when you like talk,
like if I were to put closed captions on a
video or something, the close captions always autocorrect boice sober
to voiceover, so.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They sound so so similar.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So I think that like something might have gotten mixed
up in the interpretation there, But a boy sober journey
is definitely just like taking time to step back and
be with yourself and to ask yourself, like sort of
taking like an inventory of love and what you've been taught,
(06:37):
how you've been taught to love and find love, what
you've done that has maybe not gotten you where you
want to be yet, because I think so often, especially
now in like times of finding love and finding dating,
especially even in times between men and women right now,
it's like I feel like there's so much blaming being done,
(07:01):
Like men who can't find love are blaming women for something,
and women who can't find love are blaming men for something,
and there's just so much blame.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I think this like.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
To sort of be on this journey and to be
on this path, what it overall is is to stop
blaming everything and anyone else and to just kind of
take like full responsibility and full onto autonomy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
When it comes to like interacting with finding love.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
See I love that because in my heart you're telling
me that love is great. But the thing is, though, See,
I look at love as being a business partner, and
we work together. You have your side of the business
that needs to be done. I have my side of
the business. Will meet somewhere in the.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Middle, right m M yeah, yeah, No, definitely compromise is
a piece of that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Absolutely, Please do not move.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
There's more with Hope. What are coming up next? The
name of the podcast is Boy Sober with Hopewordard. We're
back with that conversation the COVID Lockdown. Didn't that prove
to a lot of people that I can do this
on my own? I love doing this on my own.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Hmmm, an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I feel like the COVID Lockdown in a way kind
of brought us all together. And it's an interesting thing
because like, of course, this podcast and this entire conversation,
you know, says to somebody like learn how to be alone, figure,
you know, like understand that you can do this on
your own. But I think it's specifically references like when
(08:39):
it comes to like having a romantic partner. I think
that like community and friendship and understanding the fact that
actually you cannot do everything on your own. And I
think like so often, like especially between like me extraightmen
and women and relationships together, like we're kind of looking
for each other to complete one another. And I know that, Like,
(09:05):
I just don't think friendship is as often.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Celebrated or encouraged, And so people.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Get in these like really intense kind of codependent relationships
where all they have is each other, where like your
partner is your everything, and the honest to goodness truth
about that is that's just like not a sustainable way
to be.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's just too much pressure on people, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And so I think it's like the point of this
is like, yes, absolutely take time for yourself, but also
understand like that time alone does not mean time like
without connection and love and community and friendship. It's just
asking you and like challenging you to find it in
a way, in a way outside of like romance.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Are you a deefrager? And what I mean by that
is is that you sit down and you ask yourself
the questions, then question the answers, and you're able to
put a path together because you're you know how to
listen to yourself and grow forward.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Oh my gosh, listen, I try my best, but I'm
only human, you know, like absolutely, Like I try my darnedest,
but I can't say that I'm like, you know, hitting
it out of the park every time.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's you know, I'm human. In life is long?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What was it like to sit down with Megan Keen,
because we're talking about a person that put a book
out there that really really has touched a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, she's amazing. She's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Something that I thought was so interesting about her story
is like she was single for a really long time and.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She wrote this book. She pitched this book.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
You know, to get bought and to sell or whatever,
and she had been single forever and ever. She was
talking about like just could never find a partner. But
as soon as she sold a book pitch to write
a book on being single, she found somebody who she
is now probably going to get married to. So she
wrote this book on how to be single. Well, I
(11:04):
like kind of after she found.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The love of her life.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But she was talking about how like so many of
the tools and the things that you learn while being
single are absolutely applicable to like your life in a relationship,
and she talks a lot about how like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Time alone is so helpful to being with someone.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Finally, so she was great, She was amazing, and yeah,
gave us a bunch of good advice and like expert
insight into how to like how to be alone.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, well you share great advice as well, because when
it comes to relationships, you kind of say, it's not
about what's going on in your present place of now.
You brought your mother into this picture and you feel
like that you became a part of her life and
learned things from that and became who you are.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mean listen, like the apple rarely falls far from
the tree, you know what I mean? And I think
for everybody, for us to figure out like who we
are and both our best qualities and our worst qualities,
and those qualities are so often the same, you know
what I mean, Like, my best quality is can also
(12:16):
be my worst quality. I think looking around at your
first family, you know, the people who raised you, the
people you grew up with, and everything, just looking around
with kind of like loving understanding again to not blame,
but to just sort of analyze and be like, Okay,
(12:37):
what did I get from you that maybe would be
better for both of us if I let go of
you know, I think that's just like a really great
way to understand who we are as people is to
look around and understand, you know, the people who raised you.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I actually work with people that think love does not exist.
We make it up a lot the way.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
About that, What do you mean we make it up
along the.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Way, We just make it up. We just feel like that,
you know, we're trying to keep up with the Joneses. Okay,
this is how they're loving. Oh I love the way
that they're loving each other. They're holding onto hands. Okay,
I'm going to do that too, or I'm going to
try to. Oh god, I'm not doing it. I must
be failing at this game totally.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I do think there's absolutely like a lot of comparison
when it comes to like what's correct and what's not.
It can absolutely be a lot of keeping up with
the jones Is, I'm sure, especially.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For like married couples. But it's just so like it's
so individual.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, are we evolving into a more freedom of
self generation?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Freedom of self generation?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh gosh, that's hard to tell me what you mean
by that, because I think I know, but I want
to say a little bit more about that because I
want to give an answer, but I want to be
sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Freedom of self. Yeah, you're my good friend, but we're
not going any further than that. I'll let you be
in my circle. But yeah, I don't know, I don't
know if I want to have, you know, anybody invade
my shape.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Freedom of self. So, like you're talking about freedom from
sort of like letting people in too much.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think I think people are waking up to the
fact that maybe they do let too many people in
too close.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, we're in a
time I think where people are trying to hold better
boundaries and people like have that language and they're trying
to make sure they're not overextending. It's an interesting thing though,
because again, like definitely one of my values is like
(14:43):
inclusivity and support and connection and calling in. So I
do have a difficult time with keeping people out of
my life, but it's it's only in the romantic space
where I think this, this uh, taking time in space
is is important, yeah, and can lead to something a
(15:03):
bit a bit more sustainable.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
See, because I've always wondered, and I do everything I
can to understand ghosting, because you know, you can have
the greatest friend in the world and all of a
sudden it's gone, It's okay. And I I'm even talking
about romances as well.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Here, Oh man.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, I talk to a lot of guy friends
before about going through friend breakups, and I think when
most women go through friend.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Breakups, we really have it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We're like send long text messages and we're saying, like
exactly how we were hurt. And from what I can tell,
when it comes to guy friends going separate ways, they
really do just they go they ghost.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think that what happens is there's so much content
and things going on around us, we just totally forget
what's really you know, where the foundation is because we're
walking on stones?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Mm on stones? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
In other words, I always envision that we're trying to
get across a creek on a mountain side, and life
is taking it one stone at a time, and there's
moss on the next one. Where are we going to go?
We're stuck here in the middle. I'm like, god, if
I step on that rock and I fall, Oh my.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
God, Yeah, it's done right, and you're just holding back. Yeah, no,
I understand that completely ghosting is difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What are you learning on your side of the show prep?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah? Oh, on my side of the show prep, I
have a wonderful team. First of all, I'm learning a
lot about the ins and outs of like a true
audio production, and I'm just like, oh, so thankful for
my team. I'm just absolutely like in the best hands,
and we're having so much fun collaborating, you know, and
(16:51):
this conversation like is so it's such a deep well
of like topics and ways we could go. Working with
the team has been like really exciting because you know,
we all have experience with this stuff, like we all
and even if you find a partner, even if you
do find your life partner, like that doesn't necessarily mean
(17:14):
shit is going to get.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Easier, you know. I Mean, it's just that it's going
to be different, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And so it's just been like so much fun to
collaborate with my team and to like draw in all
these stories that are under this umbrella right of like
how to love and find love a bit more correctly.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You've got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, Hope, Okay, that sounds great. You too,
Hey, welcome back to the conversation. Let's do some podcrashing.
Episode number three eighty nine is with Hope Wodd from
the podcast The Boy Sober Movement.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hi, I'm great, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with you,
because very easily on this podcast you could have gone psychological,
you could have gone so dang deep that you know
that it was very spiritual. But I love the fact
that you added your personality to it. There are many
times that I feel and experience the humor and your
open heartedness, and I mean, I just love the way
that you designed this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
M thank you so much. That's so kind of you
to say.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What was it like to be this honest or transparent
on the podcast because a lot of heep.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, yeah, you know, it's interesting because I guess I
got my start in this world of like entertainment and
talking for a living or whatever on the internet. So
being extremely honest and extremely vulnerable online is sort of
what got me to this podcast. And you know what,
(01:03):
it's a double edged sword sometimes, but I do think
that like it's one of the only ways to really
create something meaningful or maybe create something that is, you know,
you want I guess I want my projects to feel vulnerable.
And because I think the most honest and vulnerable someone
(01:23):
can be.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hopefully calls people.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In and hopefully people can like sense that vulnerability and
want to put it out in the world themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So is it always easy.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's not always easy, but I do think it is
always worth it, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And one of the things that I mean, do do
you fear that once you record a show, is it like,
can we go back in there and re record that.
I know I want to give it one more touch.
I know I can say one more thing, or do
you just say okay right now?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, like listening back to the episodes of course,
like every now and again where I'm like, oh gosh, maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I should have said this this way, maybe I should
have said that way.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
But even sometimes it happens for people, and like interviewing,
like I've got a great friend who like wrote a
Christian like me and sort of left the church for
a while and came onto the podcast to talk about
sort of like you know, relearning religion and relearning Christianity
because it can be twisted in a way that does
(02:27):
I think more harm than good, as you know all
religions can be. And I think after we did the interview,
they were like really nervous. They misspoke about like the
community that that that they kind of came from, you know.
So we like worked together to sort of like cushion
that honesty and so yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You know, like being honest and being vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's like it's it's scary stuff, but it really is,
I think the only way to like create something meaningful.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't want with you just saying that. It took
me right to Stephen Fredick, my pastor at Elevation Church,
in the way that he says, drop the four walls
of the church and get out there on the streets.
And now that I've listened to and experienced boy sober,
I'm going she's doing exactly that. She is helping people,
She's doing that Christian thing, but in a way that
isn't offensive.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, you know, like you know, like I heard this
one preacher once say, like the like honestly, the only
sin is anything that works a great against the grain
of love, you know. And I think so often in religions,
like people can become like a bit obsessed with who's
(03:39):
doing something right, who's doing something wrong, who's sinful, who's not?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Da da da da da.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And I just think like the only way to be
like a truly kind of like the best Christian you
can possibly be or whatever is to just be truly
inclusive and loving and caring and to try and like
create that connection constantly, to try to like really shine
light on people and what they're going through, and how
(04:06):
to sort of like use that for more connection and
more honesty. So it's been an exciting project, you know,
and I feel I can't kind of I'm really excited
to see where it goes, Yeah, where it takes us.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But you know how people are hope because they'll sit
there and they'll say, I'm gonna help out this person.
I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be compassionate, I'm gonna
I'm gonna show them support. But now I'm gonna get
something in return, Which is what led me to this
question in the way of what would happen is if
in life we stopped feeling this need of being wanted
and focused on and we just showed up without having
to have a pat on the back.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, there's there's this really great kind of like coffee
table book quote I got from a friend of mine
that was like, when you walk into a room, you
shouldn't say like, hello, here I am. You should walk
into a room and say, oh my gosh, there you are,
you know, And that's it's just like something that's always
(05:01):
stuck with me. And so yeah, this feeling of like
not acting in a way to be wanted, but just
or like to not like constantly constantly be looking for something,
looking for love, but to be the person who is loving,
who is giving that love. And so that's something this
(05:22):
podcast is really about to most definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, you open up the door for that. It's almost
like you're saying, hey, look when when when you do
walk into that room, don't sit there and say are
people happy to see me? No, you take the step
so you can see them they want to be.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, exactly, be happy to see them, Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You say something in this podcast that what is a
voiceover journey? I know what a voiceover actor is and
a voiceover commercial star is, but what is a voiceover journey?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You're so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, it's because the word voice sober sounds so similar
to the word voiceover, and even when you like talk,
like if I were to put closed captions on a
video or something, the close captions always autocorrect boice sober
to voiceover, so.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They sound so so similar.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So I think that like something might have gotten mixed
up in the interpretation there, But a boy sober journey
is definitely just like taking time to step back and
be with yourself and to ask yourself, like sort of
taking like an inventory of love and what you've been taught,
(06:37):
how you've been taught to love and find love, what
you've done that has maybe not gotten you where you
want to be yet, because I think so often, especially
now in like times of finding love and finding dating,
especially even in times between men and women right now,
it's like I feel like there's so much blaming being done,
(07:01):
Like men who can't find love are blaming women for something,
and women who can't find love are blaming men for something,
and there's just so much blame.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I think this like.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
To sort of be on this journey and to be
on this path, what it overall is is to stop
blaming everything and anyone else and to just kind of
take like full responsibility and full onto autonomy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
When it comes to like interacting with finding love.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
See I love that because in my heart you're telling
me that love is great. But the thing is, though, See,
I look at love as being a business partner, and
we work together. You have your side of the business
that needs to be done. I have my side of
the business. Will meet somewhere in the.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Middle, right m M yeah, yeah, No, definitely compromise is
a piece of that.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Absolutely, Please do not move.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
There's more with Hope. What are coming up next? The
name of the podcast is Boy Sober with Hopewordard. We're
back with that conversation the COVID Lockdown. Didn't that prove
to a lot of people that I can do this
on my own? I love doing this on my own.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Hmmm, an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I feel like the COVID Lockdown in a way kind
of brought us all together. And it's an interesting thing
because like, of course, this podcast and this entire conversation,
you know, says to somebody like learn how to be alone, figure,
you know, like understand that you can do this on
your own. But I think it's specifically references like when
(08:39):
it comes to like having a romantic partner. I think
that like community and friendship and understanding the fact that
actually you cannot do everything on your own. And I
think like so often, like especially between like me extraightmen
and women and relationships together, like we're kind of looking
for each other to complete one another. And I know that, Like,
(09:05):
I just don't think friendship is as often.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Celebrated or encouraged, And so people.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Get in these like really intense kind of codependent relationships
where all they have is each other, where like your
partner is your everything, and the honest to goodness truth
about that is that's just like not a sustainable way
to be.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's just too much pressure on people, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And so I think it's like the point of this
is like, yes, absolutely take time for yourself, but also
understand like that time alone does not mean time like
without connection and love and community and friendship. It's just
asking you and like challenging you to find it in
a way, in a way outside of like romance.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Are you a deefrager? And what I mean by that
is is that you sit down and you ask yourself
the questions, then question the answers, and you're able to
put a path together because you're you know how to
listen to yourself and grow forward.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Oh my gosh, listen, I try my best, but I'm
only human, you know, like absolutely, Like I try my darnedest,
but I can't say that I'm like, you know, hitting
it out of the park every time.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's you know, I'm human. In life is long?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What was it like to sit down with Megan Keen,
because we're talking about a person that put a book
out there that really really has touched a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, she's amazing. She's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Something that I thought was so interesting about her story
is like she was single for a really long time and.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
She wrote this book. She pitched this book.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
You know, to get bought and to sell or whatever,
and she had been single forever and ever. She was
talking about like just could never find a partner. But
as soon as she sold a book pitch to write
a book on being single, she found somebody who she
is now probably going to get married to. So she
wrote this book on how to be single. Well, I
(11:04):
like kind of after she found.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The love of her life.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But she was talking about how like so many of
the tools and the things that you learn while being
single are absolutely applicable to like your life in a relationship,
and she talks a lot about how like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Time alone is so helpful to being with someone.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Finally, so she was great, She was amazing, and yeah,
gave us a bunch of good advice and like expert
insight into how to like how to be alone.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, well you share great advice as well, because when
it comes to relationships, you kind of say, it's not
about what's going on in your present place of now.
You brought your mother into this picture and you feel
like that you became a part of her life and
learned things from that and became who you are.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mean listen, like the apple rarely falls far from
the tree, you know what I mean? And I think
for everybody, for us to figure out like who we
are and both our best qualities and our worst qualities,
and those qualities are so often the same, you know
what I mean, Like, my best quality is can also
(12:16):
be my worst quality. I think looking around at your
first family, you know, the people who raised you, the
people you grew up with, and everything, just looking around
with kind of like loving understanding again to not blame,
but to just sort of analyze and be like, Okay,
(12:37):
what did I get from you that maybe would be
better for both of us if I let go of
you know, I think that's just like a really great
way to understand who we are as people is to
look around and understand, you know, the people who raised you.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I actually work with people that think love does not exist.
We make it up a lot the way.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
About that, What do you mean we make it up
along the.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Way, We just make it up. We just feel like that,
you know, we're trying to keep up with the Joneses. Okay,
this is how they're loving. Oh I love the way
that they're loving each other. They're holding onto hands. Okay,
I'm going to do that too, or I'm going to
try to. Oh god, I'm not doing it. I must
be failing at this game totally.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I do think there's absolutely like a lot of comparison
when it comes to like what's correct and what's not.
It can absolutely be a lot of keeping up with
the jones Is, I'm sure, especially.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For like married couples. But it's just so like it's
so individual.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, are we evolving into a more freedom of
self generation?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Freedom of self generation?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Oh gosh, that's hard to tell me what you mean
by that, because I think I know, but I want
to say a little bit more about that because I
want to give an answer, but I want to be
sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Freedom of self. Yeah, you're my good friend, but we're
not going any further than that. I'll let you be
in my circle. But yeah, I don't know, I don't
know if I want to have, you know, anybody invade
my shape.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Freedom of self. So, like you're talking about freedom from
sort of like letting people in too much.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think I think people are waking up to the
fact that maybe they do let too many people in
too close.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, we're in a
time I think where people are trying to hold better
boundaries and people like have that language and they're trying
to make sure they're not overextending. It's an interesting thing though,
because again, like definitely one of my values is like
(14:43):
inclusivity and support and connection and calling in. So I
do have a difficult time with keeping people out of
my life, but it's it's only in the romantic space
where I think this, this uh, taking time in space
is is important, yeah, and can lead to something a
(15:03):
bit a bit more sustainable.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
See, because I've always wondered, and I do everything I
can to understand ghosting, because you know, you can have
the greatest friend in the world and all of a
sudden it's gone, It's okay. And I I'm even talking
about romances as well.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Here, Oh man.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, I talk to a lot of guy friends
before about going through friend breakups, and I think when
most women go through friend.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Breakups, we really have it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
We're like send long text messages and we're saying, like
exactly how we were hurt. And from what I can tell,
when it comes to guy friends going separate ways, they
really do just they go they ghost.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think that what happens is there's so much content
and things going on around us, we just totally forget
what's really you know, where the foundation is because we're
walking on stones?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Mm on stones? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
In other words, I always envision that we're trying to
get across a creek on a mountain side, and life
is taking it one stone at a time, and there's
moss on the next one. Where are we going to go?
We're stuck here in the middle. I'm like, god, if
I step on that rock and I fall, Oh my.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
God, Yeah, it's done right, and you're just holding back. Yeah, no,
I understand that completely ghosting is difficult.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What are you learning on your side of the show prep?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah? Oh, on my side of the show prep, I
have a wonderful team. First of all, I'm learning a
lot about the ins and outs of like a true
audio production, and I'm just like, oh, so thankful for
my team. I'm just absolutely like in the best hands,
and we're having so much fun collaborating, you know, and
(16:51):
this conversation like is so it's such a deep well
of like topics and ways we could go. Working with
the team has been like really exciting because you know,
we all have experience with this stuff, like we all
and even if you find a partner, even if you
do find your life partner, like that doesn't necessarily mean
(17:14):
shit is going to get.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Easier, you know. I Mean, it's just that it's going
to be different, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And so it's just been like so much fun to
collaborate with my team and to like draw in all
these stories that are under this umbrella right of like
how to love and find love a bit more correctly.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You've got to come back to this show anytime in
the future. I love where your heart is.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Will you be brilliant today?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay, Hope, Okay, that sounds great. You too,
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