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June 4, 2025 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody for another deep dive, and this time
we are talking AI art. Oh yeah, which is a
topic that honestly, I'm I find kind of mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
So you send over some excerpts from an article discussing
you know, can machines actually be creative? Right? Can we
consider them artists? Yeah? That's a big question, and I
think we're going to kind of unpact that today.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I think that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
So one of the things that this article talks about
is deep art, which I have to admit i'd never
heard of before. Oh really, but it is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
So this is an AI that can take a photo
and turn it into a painting in the style of
like vang or Picasso.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah. So it's using neural networks, which everyone kind of
talks about now with AI, but it's basically finding patterns.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
So it's looked at, you know, thousands and thousands of
paintings by Van Go or Picasso or whoever it is, okay,
and it's found the patterns that make that artist's style unique.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So then when you feed it like a photo of
your dog, exactly, it's not just like cop being a painting.
It's actually applying those.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Like deep underlying pattern Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Underlying patterns of the style. That is crazy, It is
pretty wild. So, I mean that's impressive. But is it
art right? You know, like, if it's learning from these
existing works, is it really being creative or is it
just a super sophisticated copycat.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, this is this is the heart of it, isn't it.
I Mean if I, you know, took a famous painting
and I, you know, changed a few brushstrokes and called
it my own, right, we'd call.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
That plagiarism, total plagiarism.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
But if an AI takes, you know, the patterns from
thousands of different artworks and mashes them up in a
new way, is that still stealing or is that creating
something new?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
And this isn't just a theoretical thing anymore either, right,
Like people are buying and selling AI art right, So
this raises legal and ethical questions too, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like who owns the copyright to a piece of AI art?
Is it the programmer who created the AI? Is it
the person who owns the AI you know system? Could
it even be the AI itself? I mean these are
all questions that we are just starting to grapple with.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I mean ais art owner.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's yeah, that's greaty far out.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, So let's flip this for a second, because the
article also talks about how AI could push the boundaries
of art beyond human limitations. Yeah. Yeah, so how would
that work?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I mean, you know, think about it. AI has
this insane processing power. It can turn through data, you know,
look at all these different styles and genres and combine
them in ways that we, you know, as humans, with
our limited brands, we might never think of.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So, like, imagine an AI creating a painting that combines
like Renaissance realism with like the abstract shapes of Cubism,
right exactly, something totally new that wouldn't have existed without
the AI.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah. And it goes beyond like traditional art forms too,
So you know, AI can design buildings, optimize city layouts,
create fashion designs.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
So it's not just about paintings on a wall, no, No,
it could impact like the way we live totally.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I mean, what if AI could help us build cities
that are not only you know, more beautiful, but more
efficient and sustainable. And it could even you know, revolutionize fashion.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, but wouldn't that make the world kind of generic? Though?
You know, like, if AI is designing everything based on
you know, this massive data set, wouldn't everything start to
look and feel the same.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's a good question, and I think it's a you know,
valid concern. I think it comes down to how we
use the AI though. Okay, right, we could use AI
to you know, create a million cookie cutter designs, or
we could use it to explore new possibilities and create
things that are really unique and surprising.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
So are there actually artists out there who are using
AI in that way?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, as a tool for exploration, not just mass production.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Absolutely, And that's where things get really interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, So let's get into that there, right because I
want to hear about the artists who are really pushing
the boundaries with this technology.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
We've talked about some of the big picture stuff, but
I want to get into the nitty gritty, like what
are artists actually doing with AI right now?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah? This is where it gets really exciting. I Mean,
it's easy to get caught up in the theoretical you know,
can AI be creative? But there are artists out there
who are actually making art with AI, right, And it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
What they're doing so. The article mentions music, visual art, architecture.
Are there like common threads in how artists are using
this tech across these different fields?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, One really interesting trend is this idea of AI
as a collaborator, okay, like a creative partner. So it's
not about, you know, letting the AI just go off
and make something on its own. It's about using it
as a source of inspiration, a way to explore new ideas,
break through creative.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Blocks, like a superpowered brainstorming buddy exactly. I can see
how that would be appealing. Yeah, but can you give
me an example of what that looks like in practice?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Sure? So, imagine a musician who's working on a new
song and they get stuck, okay, hit a wall, they
can't figure out the next melody or chord progression. They
can take what they have so far and feed it
into an AI. Okay, like that muse neet we talked.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
About earlier, right, the one. They can compose in.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Different styles exactly, and the AI can then generate variations
on those ideas and give the musician a bunch of
different options to play with.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
So it's like the AI is offering suggestions kind of
like a co writer.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, in a way.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
But wouldn't that make the music less original?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well that's where the human element comes in. Okay, the
AI might provide the raw materials, but it's still up
to the musician to decide what to do with them,
to shape them, mold them, add their own unique voice
and perspective.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I see. So it's like the AI is giving you
a bunch of different colors of paint. Yeah, but it's
up to the human artists to decide how to use
those colors, what kind of picture to paint exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
And this isn't just limited to music, you know. Visual
artists are using AI in similar ways. Like a painter
who's struggling with a composition or a color palette, they
can feed their work in progress into an AI and
get back variations, suggestions, different ways to approach the painting.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That's cool. So it's not just about creating the art
from scratch, it's about using AI to refine and enhance
the creative process.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, it's like having an instant art critic, but one
that can actually show you what those suggestions would look like.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's a good way to put it in.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
The article mentions that this could democratize art, which is
a really interesting idea, right.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, it lowers the barriers to entry. It makes
it easier for people who maybe don't have, you know,
traditional artistic skills to express themselves creatively.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
So you're saying someone who can't play an instrument or
paint a portrait could still use AI to create music.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Or art exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
But wouldn't that kind of devalue art in a way,
Like if anyone can do it, does it become less special?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's a big question, and it's something that the art
world is really grappling with right now.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
You know, some people argue that AI art lacks the authenticity,
the emotional depth of human created.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Art, right, Like it's all technique and no soul.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah exactly. But I also think, you know, limiting creativity
to those with traditional skills is kind of limiting. What
if AI allows people who never thought they were artistic
to suddenly discover a whole new way to express themselves.
I mean, that's a really cool possibility, right, And I
think that's what's so exciting about this whole thing. It's
not about replacing human creativity, Okay, It's about expanding the

(07:25):
definition of what creativity can be and who gets to
participate in it.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So it's like we're at the beginning of a whole
new era of art, one where the lines between human
and machine are blurred and anything as possible exactly. Okay,
so we've talked about music, we've talked about visual art,
but what about some of those other fields that the
article mentioned, like architecture and design. Is AI playing a
role there too?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh, definitely. And it's not just about aesthetics. It's about
using AI to solve real world problems. Like architects are
using AI to design buildings that are not only visually striking,
but also energy efficient and sustainable, so like a I.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Could help us build cities that are both beautiful and
environmentally friendly exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
And fashion designers are using AI to you know, analyze trends,
create new patterns and fabrics, even design entire collections.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
So it's like AI is becoming this all purpose creative tool.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, it really is, and it's just the beginning. You know,
We're only scratching the surface of what's possible.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's kind of mind blowing to think about all the
ways AI could be used in these creative fields. It
is Okay, Well, I want to hear about some specific examples. Yeah, like,
are there any artists or projects that you think really
exemplify this human AI collaboration?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Absolutely, and that's what we'll get into in part three
of our deep dive.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, So we've talked a lot about the potential of
AI and art, but I'm ready for some real world examples,
like who are the artists out there who are really
using AI in cool ways?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, one really interesting example is this musician Holly Herndon.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
She's been working with AI for years now, Okay, and
she actually created this AI baby, an AI baby. Yeah,
she trained on recordings of her own voice, and now
this AI baby can sing and harmonize with her in
real time.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Whoa, that's trippy. It is.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It is like this incredible, haunting, otherworldly sound.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
It's like we always say, AI is pushing us into
uncharted territory.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, totally, it's making us rethink what music even is.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, and it sounds like Herndon is really using it
as a collaborator.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, it's not just replacing her, it's adding this whole
new dimension to her music.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
That's so cool. Yeah, and I know you had another
example too.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh yeah. So there's this visual artist refiic anadol okay,
and he uses AI to create these massive immersive installations.
So he'll feed data like cityscapes or weather patterns into
an AI okay and then it generates these constantly evolving
visuals that are projected onto like buildings or entire rooms.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
So instead of painting on a canvas, he's using AI
to paint with like light and space exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And the crazy thing is these installations are interactive too.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh wow, how does that work?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
So like the way the visuals move and change is
influenced by the people in the space, their movements, their emotions.
It's like a giant AI powered mood ring.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's wild. Yeah. You know, when we first start talking
about AI, I was worried that it would make everything
look the same, right, But these examples are so unique,
so dynamic.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah yeah, I think it really shows that AI can
be used to create things that are truly original and unexpected.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
So what does all this mean for the future of art?
Is everything going to be AI generated? Will human artists
become obsolete?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know? I don't think so. I think AI will
definitely become a bigger part of the art world. But
I don't think it will ever replace human.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Artists because at the end of the day, art is
about communication and emotion.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Exactly, and those are things that AI just can't replicate.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I think the most exciting possibility is this hybrid future
where humans and AI work together.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, like a true collaboration to.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Create things that neither could have created alone.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I think that's already happening. You know, we're seeing
artists like Holly Herndon and ruffic Anodol pushing the boundaries
and I can't wait to see what the next generation
of artists will do.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
It's both exciting and a little bit scary.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
But one thing is for sure. The art world is
changing and AI is a big part of that change.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Absolutely, and it's not just the art world. I think
AI is going to change everything about the way we
live and create.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
So buckle up, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Stay curious, stay open minded, and who knows, you might
be the one who creates the next AI powered masterpiece.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's a great way to end it, and that brings
us to the end of our deep dive into AI art.
Thanks for joining us and keep exploring this fascinating topic,
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