November 17, 2025 • 52 mins
VOS is a veteran-based singing quartet comprising of Ron Henry, Christal Rheams, Jason Hanna, and Caleb Green. They are four military veterans whose voices carry a mission of hope, healing, and unity by highlighting the experiences and resilience of service members, veterans, and their families. Known for their powerful performances, especially their rise to national fame on America’s Got Talent. The soul, gospel, pop, and patriotic music is help to those with visible and invisible wounds.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello and thank you for tuning in to a Sharp
Outlook on K four HD Radio and Talk or TV.
I am ANGELA Sharp Your host. Our arm chair discussions
with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and
information to be successful in business and to prepare you
to be your best self. Hello and welcome to a
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Sharp Outlook. It's great for you tuning in today. Do
you know one of the most valuable voices that you
carry with you all the time. It's your voice, and
your voice can be used for wonderful things like encouraging people,
lifting people up, singing beautiful songs, talking beautiful poems. We
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should raise our voices when we see things that are
not well, or if we have someone in our family
that's not doing well. Use your voice. Raise your voice
so that you can meet them at the point of need.
And when I say raise, it's just I want you
to talk to them or sing to them, but not yelling.
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That's not what I'm intending here. Today we have someone
from the Voices of Service. It is a veteran based
singing quartet comprising of Ron Henry, Crystal Rems, Jason Hannah,
and Caleb Green. There are four military veterans whose voices
carry a mission of hope, healing, and unity by highlighting
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the experiences and resilience of service members, veterans and their families.
Known for their powerful performances, especially their rise to national
fame on America's Got Talent. I remember watching that the
group blend's soul, gospel, pop and patriotic music to advocate
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for those dealing with invisible and invisible wounds, representing the
excellence and strength within the military community. Since twenty twelve,
their harmonious Blend has been more than music, It's been
a movement. Their journey took a powerful turn on September
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turn on season fourteen of America's Got Talent, where they
captivated millions in place fifth. In twenty twenty, their talent
earned them a spot on America's got talent champions, but
their impact extends far beyond that stage. Voices of Service
fuses various genres of music to deliver songs of resilience
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and purpose. Through their performances, they uplift communities, inspire recovery,
and create connections that transcend barriers. Rooted in service and
delivered with passion, their voices echo a message the world needs,
one of strength, unity, and unwavering hope, something we really
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need at this point in time. My guest is doctor
Jason Hannah. He is a member of the singing quartet
Voices of Service and an intricate part of Camo. CAMO
it stands for a center for American military music opportunities.
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They have utilized their performance to increase awareness of the
therapeutic impact and performing as well well as listening can
live can have on service men and women who are
coping with the challenges of post traumatic.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Stress.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Doctor Hannah has been singing with fellow military veterans Ron Henry,
Crystal Rhines, and Caleb Green and Voices of Service since
twenty twelve. Voices of Service continues to perform and use
their music to inspire, uplive communities and promote healing. CAMO,
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which I mentioned before, which is the Center for American
Military Music Opportunities, is a nonprofit organization that elevates and
empowers service members, veterans, and military connective families through music
on stage. Their musical performances include Voices of Service, American
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Military Spouses, Choir, Donnie Isaac's and CAMO Kids have been
in the spotlight on NBC's American Talent and an event
around the world. Off stage, CAMO provides music as therapy
and music healing services that focus on unique challenges of
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being a service member, veteran, or a family member. CAMO
is on the front lines of building a community of
military music, creating opportunities for and mentoring musically gifted military
members to join the music and entertainment industries. Doctor Jason
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Hannah is a vocalist and mentor in the military singing
quartet Voices of Service, best known for their top five
finish on American Scott Talent. A former Sergeant first Class
in the US Army, Doctor Hannah is also a life coach, speaker,
and advocate for mental health and music therapy. He uses
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his platform with Voices of Service to raise awareness for
service members and veterans and their families dealing with visible
and invisible wounds. I'd like to invite doctor Hannah to
join me. Hey, good morning.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Good morning, Miss Andrews.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm great, and I want you to know I was
watching America's Got Talent and saw you guys tear it down.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
All right. We appreciate that. We absolutely appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
One of the jokes I always give to people as
I say, yeah, you watched it, but did you vote?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And how many times did you vote? Yes, vot?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I voted, I voted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I appreciate it. Thank you, Miss Angela, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes. Well, you just have a full plate of things
that you are working on, and I just want to
say I'm just so thankful to have you here. Also,
you served as a Sergeant first Class in the Army.
I was still an active member during Voices of Service
twenty nineteen America's Got Talent appearance where you place fifth.
You hold a Bachelor of Science in healthcare science and
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a master's of Science in psychology, a license practical nurse
and EMT, and formerly worked as a sexual assault Response
coordinator for the Army. You are a head coach at
Positive Perspectives, LLC Coaching and Leadership Development company and a
certified Maxiwell Leadership Coach, trainer and speaker with expertise in relations,
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relationship coaching, career transitions and leadership development. And you previously
serve as the Associate Minister and Minister of Music for
a Victory a faith church man.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You have lots of jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You have been so busy and committed and dedicated to
helping others. How does music help those that have visible
and invisible wounds?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So, ANGELA a great question, and and also I want
to say thank you for having me on the show today.
I really appreciate it. Before before we get started, But
in terms of music, I think music has a unique
way of a unique way of reaching people where words can't.
So you have folks that are dealing with invisible and
visible wounds, and those wounds can be physical or it
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could be something that that's resulting from the from injury, trauma,
or just the weight of some other mental health struggles
that they have going on. So I think for me,
music reminds people that they're not alone, that there's a
shared story, and sometimes that that shared story is sung
and not said. It's just an interesting thing that music
has a way of bridging, bridging barriers or well destroying
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barriers and bridging gaps between folks. And if they can't
talk it out, sometimes they can hear a familiar melody
and they can sing it out and then that will
that will help them to break down those barriers, to
get them to the part where they can actually talk
about what their struggles were and what some of the
things were that they were facing. So music disarmed defenses,
brings connection, and it gives people hope.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Again.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Wow, it's really you know. I when I first was
thinking about this, it brought to mind my brother who
went into the military and he was even promoted. He
had his you know, got his little stripes and bars
and things like that, and then all of a sudden
he was discharged and came, you know, he called, and
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I said, sure, come on, come and stay with me.
And he was not my brother. There was just so
many things he was going through. He just walked all
all night. He never slept, he wouldn't go to sleep.
And I eventually called a doctor and they said he
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needed to be taken to the mental hospital, and they
took me in there and they would give him medication
to help him sleep, because he really needed to sleep.
He eventually came out and we got him into an apartment,
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but that behavior started back again, and one of his
friends came by to visit him, and he didn't answer
the door. They opened the door and there was the
smell and he had passed away. And the dead had
a massive heart attack because of the internal stress he
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was having from whatever he experienced. And very young man,
and I wish I had had the knowledge. I didn't
know what to do because it was frightening to my children.
He wasn't the same person. Sorry, but I have a
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passion to always reach out and to help veterans wherever
I can. I used to do homeless visit the homeless shelters.
I worked on the streets feeding the homeless. I found
a lot of veterans among the homeless, and I would
talk with them encourage them as much as I could.
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I even became a minister and I had a church
for the homeless because they didn't feel comfortable going to
the other go into churches. They did not feel welcome. Wow,
and there was you know, I just I couldn't help him,
but I had to help somebody who was going through
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like him, so that I could make this right as
much as I could. I just needed to share that
because it was just bubbling in my spirit. Yes, ma'am
thinking about him. You Voices of Service still performs. Where
do you perform? And how do listeners reach the group?
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Were a performance? How did he read your group?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So you know we're we're still performing actively and so
Voices of Service we've been blessed to sing on some
pretty incredible stages from of course A G T. We've
also been several NFL games, w n B, A NBA games,
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and even the White House, So it's you know, we
we we do a lot, and but I just wanted
to say this.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
One thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
What means the most to us, though, is it's not
the the the high profile performances. Those are great, don't
get me wrong, those are great. But what's what means
the most is when people are able to come up
to us after a performance or a concert or whatever
and they're able to say, you know, we were we
listened to your music on wherever they listen to it
on and they're like, you know, I listened to it
when I'm having a moment and your your words really
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you know, your words and your songs really have an
impact on us and it helps me get through a
tough time. So I think those are the things that
really resonate the most with me. Is A is A
is a as a healer, you know, as a healer,
a person that just has a natural tendency to want
to heal people. But to answer your question, to go
back to your question, you can contact contact us through
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our website, be of service dot com. It's the like
as in Voice, be of Service dot com, Camel's website,
as well as social media. So all of those places
are are places that you can contact us and reach
us for bookings and find out what we're going to
be doing, and subscribe to our newsletter and stuff so
we can send out information about what we're going to
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be doing and where we're going to be doing it at.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right now, you combine your group, you combine experience as
Maxwell Leadership certified coach with deep psychological insights. How does
this experience help and you're dealing with your clients?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So so the Maxwell well, to me, it the best
way I can describe it is it gives me the
best of both worlds. So with Maxwell, you have the
timeless leadership principles. That's stuff that you know, it's true
for across whatever spectrum of leadership that you're going to
be in. And psychology gives me the opportunity or gives
me the skill set to understand how people they think,
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how they grow, and how they process things and how
they change. So those things I can integrate both of
those to help clients not only set goals, but to
break through mental barriers or things that hold them back.
The thing that I say is moving them from stuck
to unstoppable. That's kind of like my catch line I
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have too. Yeah, so that's the thing. Yeah, using those
two skills, leadership principles and you know, psychological training to
help people move from stuff to unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
As a decorated US Army senior non commissioned officer, corporate trainer,
licensed practical nerves and minister, how do these skills meet
the needs of hurting people?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Okay, wow, great question.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So so those roles they okay, so they taught me
one thing. Really, to be honest with you, all of
those roles taught me one thing. People need care. They
need clarity. They need care and clarity. Honestly, So the army,
the army side of the house taught me discipline, taught
me to follow through to you know, check up on
the details. And nursing is all about taking care of
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your you know, being an advocate for your patient.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It's about compassion.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So those are things that I again, those are things
that come naturally for me. And ministry is about giving
people hope, right, caring for folks, serving folks, serving folks and.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Giving them hope.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And the corporate training gave me it basically sharpened my
ability to communicate to people across all different spectrums of life,
whether they are CEOs or whether they're interns. So I
was able to communicate with all folks across all the
spectrums of leadership. So when when somebody is hurting as
a result of all those things, and somebody's hurting and
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they happen to exist in those spheares, that mix of experiences,
it it helps me to meet them where they are well.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Very short, I know people to have some of those skills,
and they don't understand that that's the whole purpose of
the knowledge and experience that they have. The experiences that
we have, the knowledge that we have, they have a
purpose and there you put those together to actually achieve
something other than a paycheck. Absolutely, you know, reaching out.
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We have a lot of hurting people, especially the younger
generation right now seems to really be hurting and hurting
others in fact. And they grew up and during a
time where there was there's been a lot of violence.
I grew up, went to school. You know, the most
we did was like have like the bomb drill. We'd
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get under the desk and but you know, nothing was
going to happen, right, you know, they go to school
trying to figure out how they're even going to survive
every day because we're allowing people to just be active
shooters in school and things. When we can stop that.
I mean, that's what your skills are supposed to teach
you that, Okay, this doesn't make sense. Yes, it's called
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change it when you do the same thing over and over,
but it's called.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's to be right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Indeed, you know you're not learning what's wrong. Then you're
not understanding the picture when you just get doing it
over and you allow someone's child to be gone, you
know from their life that I just I don't understand
that kind of thought process. But that's why we have
this show is to help you to get to the
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point where you have different thought processes. You you analyze better,
you better, you use your voice for something better than
you know, screaming on you know, social media and and
and the rudeness and the violence that we perpetuate there.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So absolutely, yes, ma'am so.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Empowering, empowering the people, not dictating, and this is something
we try to do. Dictating creates a space for reflection
and you ask powerful questions and equip clients with practical,
actionable strategies. How is how is that help?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So? You know, the thing about empowering is is it's
it's not telling people what to do. You know, you
can always tell somebody what to do, but that doesn't
help them learn how to how to process and how
to think. So for me, it's about asking questions that
help them to see answers that and I use this
phrase carefully. It's not so much that it's within them
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that it's easily extracted, but it's that they may have
been thinking about. But there's this thing that we do
as humans, the psychological thing is where we want to
be safe. So success is actually a very risky and
an unsafe thing for our brain as a process. So
a lot of times we don't want to think about
those things. A lot of times we have to sit down,
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we have to sit with those things and think about them.
And when coaches come in as we say, hey, have
you thought about this, and they're like, ah, but no,
we need to think about this. We need to move
this thing from this fight flight of freeze thing that
you got going on in the back of your your
amigdala and move it to the front of your frontal
cortex where you can actually get you to think about it,
because when you're thinking about it, you're actually making better
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decisions because you're actually thinking about how to move things
from this part of this thing is happening to me too.
I'm going to take control in this situation as much
as control as I can. So that's the empowerment piece.
Asking the powerful questions, get in them to think about
things that they normally wouldn't think about, and helping them
to make those decisions that move them forward.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What do you particularly focus on to assist those not sure
of their purpose or their goals when you're you know,
doing your coaching and career, you know, transition training, and
leadership development. You know, how do you really assist them
in that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I think for me it's it's about starting with clarity.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I know that's my through line and I struggled with
that for a long time as a coach, because every
coach needs a coach, so you know, of course I'm
I'm talking to my fellow coaches, and the thing is
always have your through line, know why you do what
you do, right. So the thing is for me, it's
about starting with clarity. Start with clarity, because if you
know what you're, what you're supposed to be doing, if
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you have an ideal or where you're supposed to start,
that's that whole purpose piece, right, I mean, that's where
people get stuck mostly, is that that clarity piece. So
if we can get them to understand, let's start with
what you know, right, start with what you what you
where you want to go. Let's start building the scaffolding
from that standpoint, so uncovering what truly matters for people,
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and then help them align their choices that they're going
to make those decisions that I was talking about previously,
Help them align their choices with those decisions. So once
they get that clarity, they get that confidence, and once
they get the confidence, that consistency is the thing that
normally follows right after all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, and the thing is even for myself, I've always
wanted to help people. When I was a child, I
said I was going to be a doctor, but they didn't.
They didn't quite turn out that way. I ended up
becoming an accountant and a software engineer. You still help
you out, That's what I realized. I go in and
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I help companies right side their ship. I help companies
get out of, you know, tax issues. I help companies
get new software systems in to make things more efficient.
So I am helping. I help companies do the right
thing so they don't go to jail. So I'm always
helping companies, and then I'm always reaching out to help people.
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So in some ways I am helping and I don't
have to deal with some of the things that I realized.
I wasn't going to be able to look at yes
as being a position. It's like, ooh, I'm so glad
I didn't take that path. I would not be able
to handle that. So still doing it. So those skills
that you're talking about, you still are able to use them.
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As your goals and purpose, they just might transition into
a lot of different paths. I mean, I have so
many re imagining my life. I don't know where I'm
going to end up. By the time I'm one hundred
and twenty five. I am living to be one hundred
and twenty five.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I heard that talk about that me too. We're going
to do that together.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know, I said, You know, because some of the others,
you know, you read scriptures, they were in the seven
hundreds and ninehundred years. You know, we done lost a
couple of years here. I want to retreat, recoup some
of my years, and throw twenty five on the end
of one hundred. My grandmother was one hundred and four
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when she passed, So I know that I can reach,
you know, one hundred and twenty five. That's what I'm
shooting for. So I want to stay healthy so I
can do what I do help others as much as
I possibly can. So, doctor Hannam, you say, every person
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possesses seeds of growth, Yes, within themselves, yes, you know,
and so you help the clients to uncover those inherent
strengths and build the resilience needed to thrive. How in
the world. Is that done when most don't know they
have seeds?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So very simple and it's so okay. Here's the thing
about simple simplicity is it's simple, but it doesn't mean
it's easy to do. But it is simple. For me
as a coach, I look for the small winds. I
mean when I say small winds, I'm talking like, you
made your bed today, because for someone that's in depression,
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that beid may have not been made for a long time.
You know, the sheets may not have been changed. It
could have been a lot of different things. So the
small winds are the things that I really really hone
in on because when people can start seeing the small wins,
they can grab a foothold in life. They can or
even a toe hold in life.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So, and I always say that growth is hidden and
the things that people are already doing or the intent
to do it now we got to move them from
intent to actually action. But the growth is actually hidden
those spaces. So if we can name those things, those
little small winds and help them water those seeds. Hey,
you made your bed today, that's big. What was the
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thing that you know encourage you to do that today?
What was the thought that that was going through your
mind that helped you to do that, and then we
to encourage them to keep having that thought or what
was that thought. It's a placeholder, a mental monument, is
like call them. So those seeds, you keep wading those
seeds with the consistency and with reflection again, thinking about
your thinking, reflecting on those things, remembering why you did
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what you did, why did you do the thing, the
good thing that you did, and then let's let's keep
that going, keep those winning streaks going. So yeah, for me,
it's just a matter of helping clients see or people
not necessarily clients, but people see what what they already
have going on for them and what it takes from
the you know, what's working for them to help them thrive,
and then just keep nurturing that seed.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it seems like there's so many people that have
gone through trauma. And like I said, I come from
a military family, and I mean from great grandfathers to grandfathers,
to uncles, to cousins to nephews to my granddaughter's usband
right now is in the military. I mean, just wow,
it's just you know, everyone has known we need to
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contribute and be a part of what helps us to
be a nation that is free. And so you know,
my family has participated and been apart, but some have
come back, Like I said, my brother and then my
uncle's becoming alcoholics. I mean the trauma when they get
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stuck in that space of trauma and trying to you know,
maybe deaden it with with like the alcohol and things
like that. They're stuck. How do you get someone that's stuck?
How do you get them you know, unstuck.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Wow, that's a great another great question, how do you
get them there? So so to me, from stuck to
unstoppable is all about momentum. We we do have an
issue and it's just it's the human condition inertia and
is one of those things that is just it. We
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all have a form of it in one way or another,
you know, procrastination why because we're fearing something, or we
don't want to move forward because you know there's some
something attached to that memory, or maybe we don't know
what's behind behind this thing. But so in essence, being
stuck is about hesitation, doubt, it's the fear those things
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that uh and all those things are going to keep
us from moving forward. But to helping people to move
from that. It means giving them again again the through
line clarity, right, confidence and understanding, or at least helping
them to uncover their purpose. I mean, I don't I
don't claim to be the purpose the person that would say, hey,
I'm going to help you discover your purpose. It's not that.
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But I will help you with clarity, and I will
help you with confidence. And I believe that purpose is
found in those in those things. Finding those things, so
helping people to bridge those gaps and by breaking goals
into simple, small, simple steps and then showing them you
know that it's progress over perfection. That's what builds the momentum.
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That's what builds that unstoppable momentum. It's progress, not perfection.
That's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, so from stocked unstoppable. Yeah, there's a road map
to move past hesitation. Yes, I think all of us
self doubt absolutely building the confidence and purpose. But is
there a specific strategy to do that?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, there's there's several.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Uh, there's several frameworks that I that I use that
will help with that with that, with that road One
of those is Mission to Reimagine. I use that a
lot of times with the UH, with the veteran population,
because it helps them to kind of reframe what they
were doing, what they were doing before, and what they're
doing now. There's also what I call mental monuments. I
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alluded to that earlier. Mental monuments is all about helping
clients identify things that they already used in the past,
concrete moments, things that they can they notice from the
past that where they've been successful, and I help them say, hey,
there's this concrete moment that you had. You use this already,
that were a moment when you were resilient, where you
were faithful, where you were effective. Right, So let's go
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ahead and look back and look back at those monuments,
those times in spaces, and we're gonna we're gonna do
a few things. We're gonna notice what happened. We're going
to really notice it. We're gonna examine it. Then we're
gonna name it. We're actually gonna name the monument, you know,
kind of like in the Bible, where there were there
were monuments that were building, they named it. They said
this place is this place, and we're gonna name it
this thing so that way we remember, I mean, and
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what you have to do with that is you have
to remember and then tell somebody else about it, so
that way you can extend it. A lot of times
it didn't happen that way, but we're going to try
to do better. We're gonna name it, and we're gonna
remember what it was named, and we're gonna remember to
tell somebody else about it, so that way we can
help be held accountable. So then we're going to anchor
that thing, right, So that's the next thing. What does
this thing tell you about you? What is this story
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that you're telling yourself? What does it say about you?
What are the skills or the things that you get
you have to do to continue to keep these winning
streaks going. And then the last thing you're going to
do is apply it. You know, how could you how
could you this the same version that you that built
this monument? How could that same version of you show
up consistently all the time with that same clarity? How
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does that thing happen? So those those are the things
that notice the name, the anchor, and the and the
the applying the mental monument. So that's a really big one.
That's a powerful framework and it helps a lot of
people out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Especially probably those that have been in the environment of
such discipline as military, and their days were organized and
they know their successes and things like that, and everything's
on the plan. They're not like doing the wrong thing there.
You know, everything has a structure and a plan. And
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being able to at least bring back those that part
of the behaviors of the military. You know, I know
there was something that might traumatized them, but that wasn't
every day. So the good portion was probably just getting
those disciplines, doing that work, accomplishing that task or that
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you know, command that was that was done and being
successful does it But going back to that, are they
able to stay in that happy place where they're like, yeah, man,
I remember doing that and they you know, brighten up
or does it bring bring the trauma to the front.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
See that's interesting because now we're doving into therapy versus coaching. Right,
So with the therapy and the.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Coaching, would you do that right? Right? Interesting?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Interestingly enough so because I and I am very clear
on this, I am not a licensed therapist, right. I
do have a psychology degree, but it's more on the
you know, academia so that you know the research side.
But but that doesn't mean I don't have training in
that area, especially resilience training. So one of the things
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that you have to understand is a is A is
a mental health gatekeeper. Is to understand where you're not
in your depth. Say, for instance, a person has trauma
that comes up during coaching, that might be a good
time to pause and to maybe refer to someone another
practitioner that can help them with those with the trauma
because the trauma part, if we we can, we can
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work with a person that has some that's working with
the therapist as well, because trauma is about unpacking what happened,
why it happened, and moving forward from that from that space,
and then for the coaching aspect, we pick it up
and we say, hey, let's let's see what we can
do as far as moving forward despite the trauma or
even because of the trauma, we can and still move
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you forward with a specific goal or specific tasks. So
we work in tandem with the with therapists on that end.
So to your question about the happy place, sometimes the
happy place doesn't doesn't remain, and sometimes it does trigger
something else and you just have to be skilled to
be able to hear what they're saying and understand what
that's not my depth. I need to make sure that
you get the help you need and we can kind
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of pause, put a pause on what we're doing. Let's
get you to help. You need to deal with that
trauma so we can move forward with the with the
other parts of your life that we can address.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, I was just thinking, Like I said, I was
working with the homeless on the streets and maybould tell
me some things that happened in their lives and things
like that. I couldn't do anything but say, you know,
you survived it. You know, I didn't know what to say,
so that's the only thing I could say, is you
survived it. Now think about what you have experienced and
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others are experiencing some of those things. You can actually
be a voice to help them get through it because
you did get through it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I was trying to encourage them. I don't know whether
they followed it, but they got a happy and excited
face while I was talking to them. But they probably
do need to They need to reach out to someone
that has that, you know, experience and that knowledge because
it's also an area that's pretty tender and can cause
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severe reactions, like you said, triggers since cause them triggers
that could get serious. So I don't think novices like
myself should be trying to practice in areas that we
don't have the license, nor the experience, nor the capability.
We need to refer our friends and our family members
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to professionals who can, like you said, work them through
that trauma area and bring them to a point where
or they they can handle it, they can deal with
it and not live in it and move on. I mean,
I still have friends that we're from viet went to Vietnam,
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and they're okay, and then all of a sudden something
occur and set off a trigger, and it's a response
that I have to like kind of step back. Oh okay,
just be quiet right here, Angela. Don't try to be
You're not the boss here, right Absolutely, you need to
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just be quiet and let them work through this moment here,
but then just probably understanding them. Understanding those trigger triggers
are really really critical.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Right right, And and and to your point, I'm sorry,
I wanted to say something really quickly because I wanted
to say I know you said, Hey, I'm not a professional,
and but a lot of encouragement, care, compassion goes a
long way to help for people because if you're trying
to if you can get them to just you know,
to have hope for the moment, that's helpful because that
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moment can bridge them to the next moment to getting
to getting them to the to help the help that
they need. But yeah, I do not despise, you know,
Boble says, don't despise their small beginnings, those little small
tools that we have in our the chest of smiling
and encouraging and helping, you know, just talking to them
or sitting quiet. Those things are very helpful too. So
don't please how no, say, don't diminish your your you're
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you're working that area because it's it's helpful.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, I'm glad you're saying that, because one of the
things when I was working with the homeless people, especially
the veterans, they really what's saddened them the most. You know,
you sign up and you put your life on the
line for us back home and then yes they've come home,
Yes they're having some issues. They're sitting there on the
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side of the sidewalk or there's just leaning on against
the building or whatever, and they say, people walk past
me like they're a tree, like they're not even a
human being. They won't even look them in the eye.
They won't even smile. They could say hello, They're not
going to jump out and bite. I know because I've
worked with them for like ten years. Every Friday down
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you know, downtown, you know, in this parking lot. We
would have food, we would have clothes, We had musicians,
Like you said, music. They were happy when they heard
that music and clapping and everything. And they just when
they talked to me, they said, I'm still human, And
I said, I know, and I'm so glad. And I
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would even look for opportunities for you know, restaurants or
whatever that would even give them a little little work
or something to give them that pride. But hey, they might.
They went over there for you to be able to
have freedoms, and I think we owe it to them
to at least give them a hello and a smile.
Can we do that? Can we start saying hello and
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smiling and some of the people who are suffering because
they were trying to provide you with the freedoms and
all the things you enjoy and take advantage of on
a daily basis. Just say hello.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the things I heard that.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You know, you mentioned something that you mentioned that and
it reminded me of I can't remember where I heard
it from, but I was thinking about homeless population, specifically
in veterans, homeless veterans, and one of the things they
said they could deal with almost anything, but one of
the things that they was the most heartbreaking to them
(38:35):
was the sense that they were invisible, Like like what
you just said, It's like, you know, it's like he
won't even say hi to me. It's like, I'm a person,
Please just hello, you know, you know, because I guess
most people think that, you know, if I say hi,
then I mean I'm gonna you know, now I got
to give them money, and now I got to give something.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like a lot of times you'd be surprised. It's like, no,
they just want to say hi.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, and you know what, so put some change in
your darned pocket so if they do need some money.
That's what we were supposed to do. Yeah, love our
neighbor as ourselves. We're supposed to feed the hungry, We're
supposed to clothe the naked. So all of you are
saying that you're following the book, well, you must have
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missed a few verses. And I'm speaking for those that
are hurting because you're ignoring them. And if you know
you're going to go down the street and you might
run into them, take a few dollars, take some change,
do something so they at least go buy a coffee.
It would make their day. You have no idea how
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much that would help with the healing process. I'm sorry
I got on.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
No, you're good, but you know what. Challenge accepted? Yeah,
challenge accepted.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
My wife always asked me, hey, you know we you know,
because homeless everywhere. As a matter of fact, any one
of us could be homeless. We're like one pay check
away from a lot of times capacity.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
For the grace of God, you know, it's only the
grace of God that keeps you from maybe being in
that position. And like I said, working with them, it's
just given me a different outlook on life. And yeah,
I'm always trying to help somebody. I mean able to help.
People say why don't you just slow down and stop?
(40:26):
I can't because somebody needs help. And if I'm able
to help, I'm going to do so, because that's what
my hands and my feet and my mouth is for
is to help others. I may not be suffering, but
I'm going to speak up for those who are suffering.
And you know, veterans who have put their lives on
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the line should not be needing to fight government to
get their benefits. In fact, my father went to war,
my uncles went to war, and they did didn't get
their benefits when they returned. And I think something still
needs to be done about that. Wow, because there's still
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generations of them existing, and so let's make that right.
How about that? Just how about that? Do the right thing? Absolutely,
it goes a long way. So you've told us about
reflection and things like that, a reflective practice designed to
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help clients recognize and celebrate their progress, their growth and resilience.
So you said that you give them a mission, reimagined
the framework. So tell me how that works with veterans.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So with the mission reimagine, there's a lot of folks.
Matter of fact, I talked to a young man who
he went through his the way he described it, and
I get it because a lot of us go through
a version of this as retirees or folks that get
out of the army or the military, whatever branch you're in.
And he said, he went through his Alpha and Bravo
plan and now he was in his Charlie Plan. So
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he's doing a job that he did not intend to
be doing when he got out, because he had all
of these plans and had you know, he didn't have
he didn't have a degree, but he was had all
these plans going to business and do all these other things,
but all of that fell through. So long story short,
he was kind of like in a sense where he
was aimless, didn't exactly know fel kind of lost. I
(42:33):
guess that's the word the best word to use, was lost.
And he wasn't sure exactly what he was supposed to
do with that Charlie plan, because I mean, he was
earning money, but he's working hisself, like he's working fifteen
sixteen hour days, comes home, sleeps for a couple hours,
and then goes back to work at four o'clock in
the morning and he's working until seven, eight o'clock at night.
So yeah, it's a lot. But one of the things
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I was able to help him with was to kind
of tie his the mission that he's on now because
he's in a service profession, and he was able to
understand that, well, he wants to be a person that
serves because that's why his business model was to be
able to do service things. But he's also serving in
this role that he's in currently. So he's working, you know,
(43:17):
his dual, Hattie's still working in the business, trying to
get the business off the ground. But in the meantime,
I was like, well, let's let's let's figure out what
this thing that you're doing now, how it's caused, you know,
how it's helping you to be able to serve, but
in a different way, you know, kind of like the
mission reimagine. Let's let's reimagine it. So giving you a
little bit of again clarity, clarity of the mission that
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you're on currently, because it is a mission. You are
serving people, You're just not serving people in the way
that you thought you might be. So once we get that,
get that clarity out of the way, this is what
you're doing, you're actually serving right, so now you can work.
You can walk into that situation with confidence and knowing that, Okay,
I'm doing this for a period of time. It's a season,
not forever, but it's a season but while I'm in
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the season, I'm not just biding time. I'm not just
you know, just marking time. I'm actually doing something. I'm
making connections. I'm working with people. I'm having you know,
building relationships with folks that he's serving and and helping
him to remember that is what you were kind of
doing in the military when you were when you had
the mission, it was readily defined. Now we're going to
redefine the mission. You have to define the mission this time.
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Someone's not going to do it for you.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
You have to do it.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
And I'm going to help you figure out what that
what that mission is. So now we have that clarity
of what the mission is, we moved through that identity piece.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Who are you now? Who you were?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Sergeants so and so, or specialists so and so. We're
major so and so, lieutenant colonel so and so. But
who are you now? Who is that person? You still
have those experiences, but who are you now? And now
once we get that identity piece, we can work on Okay,
what am I supposed to be doing? What on Earth
am I meant for?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
That purpose piece? And so then we move it to
the stages of practical planning. So what's the next chapter
look like, what's the next few months look like, what's
the next few weeks look like. Maybe we could do
a five year, ten year, but let's work on weeks
months and then we work on the year plan and
then we work through that. So those practical steps. But
really it's about structure, you know, because a lot of
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times folks that are in the military, they just we
folks that were in the military need that structure.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
They need that.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah, they need that structure, And you got to just
bring it back to the to the basics. What were
we doing before? Now that you're in charge of it,
now you know it's not your commander. You are the
commander now, you know. You know, if you're praying, if
you're a praying person, if you're a believer, then you
know God has given you the instructions. But we got
we're gonna tease it out. We're going to figure out God,
what do you say, help me to hear you more clearly?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I also think about the
military families. You know, there are family members that are
involved in the healing of some of the veterans themselves. Absolutely,
their families are part of that healing too, because they're
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been part of the trauma and part of the restructure
in their lives and things. So your organization also counsels
the family members too, because it has an impact on
them for sure.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, my carrious trauma. Yeah all yeah, because they go
through the same things. Even I'm looking at my I'm
thinking of my relationship at home with my you know,
I have seven kids, seven kids, me and my wife,
and they're all adults now, which is which is great.
It has its own challenges as then being adults, but
that's another story for another time. But I think about
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the almost thirty years that I served and everything that
I went through, my wife went. My wife, she's she
went through it in her own way because when I
had challenges that were, you know, just ridiculous, she had
to work with me to figure that out. When I'm
struggling with different things or whatever, she had to work
with me. So she was some you know, vicariously trauma
(47:00):
by that. And my kids also got a little bit
in that they didn't feel it the same way, but
it was still the same thing. So to your point, yeah,
families go through some of the same things, so you
have to be able to you know, incorporate the families
and the discussion as well, and as as the And
for me, it's about what the you know, the client.
The client could be a family member, but sometimes it's
the client is the military person of the veteran and
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sometimes they just they want to get clarity for themselves.
But you know, we also try to work the families
in as well as much as we can. However, sometimes
it's the family members that come for for services because
they know, oh, you're a family you work with family
members too, Yeah, because we want to help you guys
figure that out too, you know, and help your help
your spouse who's struggling with different things, help them, you know,
(47:44):
figure out what the next what the next best steps are,
and and for you as well, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So tell us to our listeners, what can we do
to encourage to help to to lift our voices or
whatever to make things better for our veterans and especially
those that have been, you know, out of the active
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military for a long period of time. What would you
recommend to our listeners.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Oh, let's see, if if you are a if you
are a retiree and you are let's say you you
are retiring you've you've maybe you have a modicum of
success or or you you've figured some things out. One
of the first things I would say, reach back, I
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mean seriously, reach back and help some of your brothers
and sisters out because there is a So we've gone
through transition assistance programs and that's the program that the
military uses. So when folks are getting out of the
military for whatever, you know, whether they're retiring or their
their their services over for whatever reason, that taps is great.
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The problem is it's a fire hose. So you get
all of this information and then you get out, and
then you find out that you miss so much because
you were focusing on trying to you know, clear you
had for the army at CIF, you got to clear
CIF all this other stuff that you got to do,
so you weren't really paying attention. You were just trying
to get out and figure it, you know, and get
(49:24):
on with your life. And they're giving you, hey, we
got all this information. It's going to help you transition.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well, la la la la la. Great.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
But the problem is that once you get out those services,
at at some point those services will THEND. It might
be a while, but they will end, and a lot
of times folks are trying to figure out how they're
going to make ends meet, pay their bills. Then there's
then there are those folks that are further out, that
have been out for three or four years, that have
figured out some things. They had some time and now
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they know, Hey, there's these things that are that I
wish I had known. Those are the things. Those are
the things. I want to encourage people. The things that
you wish you had known that you know now, talk
to your people, go reach back to those folks, to
those folks. Don't if you put it on social media,
that's great. I'm always an advocate for saying use the
social media. Hey, soldiers, did you know about this? You know,
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there's a lot of folks I'm going to shout out
that are doing great work. LaToya Green is one of them,
retired Starry first Class Flea Toya Green. She does a
great job of advocating the soldiers and she's retired. There's
other folks that are working with folks that are getting
their military benefits, their disability benefits. There are folks that
are doing it for free. They just want to help
them out. Reach back, yes, exactly, help reach out and
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help those people out. Take the information that you have,
the knowledge that you have, and help those people out.
Because really that's what we're here for is to work
in community. So if we're not doing the community thing,
then what are we really doing. That's that's my Yeah,
that's that's my biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I get.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I can get passionate about that. I get really passionate
about that. So I'm going to stop at this point.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, I just want to say I've enjoyed our conversation.
Thank you so much for being here on Sharp Outlook,
and for those that listening today, you heard what he said.
You know, reach back if you've been in the military,
reach back if you've been a family member, and help
your other brothers and sisters that might be experiencing some
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of the same things and we who have not, that
doesn't mean we can't be involved and lift our voices
that make sure they're getting their benefits, donating to organizations
that are helping the veterans, and just finding out what's
going on. Go out there in social media, whatever, and
get informed and find out what is happening in that
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area with our veterans. Thank you so much, doctor Hannah
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to be your best self. Hello and welcome to a
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Sharp Outlook. It's great for you tuning in today. Do
you know one of the most valuable voices that you
carry with you all the time. It's your voice, and
your voice can be used for wonderful things like encouraging people,
lifting people up, singing beautiful songs, talking beautiful poems. We
(01:17):
should raise our voices when we see things that are
not well, or if we have someone in our family
that's not doing well. Use your voice. Raise your voice
so that you can meet them at the point of need.
And when I say raise, it's just I want you
to talk to them or sing to them, but not yelling.
(01:38):
That's not what I'm intending here. Today we have someone
from the Voices of Service. It is a veteran based
singing quartet comprising of Ron Henry, Crystal Rems, Jason Hannah,
and Caleb Green. There are four military veterans whose voices
carry a mission of hope, healing, and unity by highlighting
(02:02):
the experiences and resilience of service members, veterans and their families.
Known for their powerful performances, especially their rise to national
fame on America's Got Talent. I remember watching that the
group blend's soul, gospel, pop and patriotic music to advocate
(02:25):
for those dealing with invisible and invisible wounds, representing the
excellence and strength within the military community. Since twenty twelve,
their harmonious Blend has been more than music, It's been
a movement. Their journey took a powerful turn on September
(02:47):
turn on season fourteen of America's Got Talent, where they
captivated millions in place fifth. In twenty twenty, their talent
earned them a spot on America's got talent champions, but
their impact extends far beyond that stage. Voices of Service
fuses various genres of music to deliver songs of resilience
(03:10):
and purpose. Through their performances, they uplift communities, inspire recovery,
and create connections that transcend barriers. Rooted in service and
delivered with passion, their voices echo a message the world needs,
one of strength, unity, and unwavering hope, something we really
(03:32):
need at this point in time. My guest is doctor
Jason Hannah. He is a member of the singing quartet
Voices of Service and an intricate part of Camo. CAMO
it stands for a center for American military music opportunities.
(03:52):
They have utilized their performance to increase awareness of the
therapeutic impact and performing as well well as listening can
live can have on service men and women who are
coping with the challenges of post traumatic.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Stress.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Doctor Hannah has been singing with fellow military veterans Ron Henry,
Crystal Rhines, and Caleb Green and Voices of Service since
twenty twelve. Voices of Service continues to perform and use
their music to inspire, uplive communities and promote healing. CAMO,
(04:31):
which I mentioned before, which is the Center for American
Military Music Opportunities, is a nonprofit organization that elevates and
empowers service members, veterans, and military connective families through music
on stage. Their musical performances include Voices of Service, American
(04:52):
Military Spouses, Choir, Donnie Isaac's and CAMO Kids have been
in the spotlight on NBC's American Talent and an event
around the world. Off stage, CAMO provides music as therapy
and music healing services that focus on unique challenges of
(05:15):
being a service member, veteran, or a family member. CAMO
is on the front lines of building a community of
military music, creating opportunities for and mentoring musically gifted military
members to join the music and entertainment industries. Doctor Jason
(05:35):
Hannah is a vocalist and mentor in the military singing
quartet Voices of Service, best known for their top five
finish on American Scott Talent. A former Sergeant first Class
in the US Army, Doctor Hannah is also a life coach, speaker,
and advocate for mental health and music therapy. He uses
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his platform with Voices of Service to raise awareness for
service members and veterans and their families dealing with visible
and invisible wounds. I'd like to invite doctor Hannah to
join me. Hey, good morning.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Good morning, Miss Andrews.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm great, and I want you to know I was
watching America's Got Talent and saw you guys tear it down.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
All right. We appreciate that. We absolutely appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
One of the jokes I always give to people as
I say, yeah, you watched it, but did you vote?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And how many times did you vote? Yes, vot?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I voted, I voted.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I appreciate it. Thank you, Miss Angela, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes. Well, you just have a full plate of things
that you are working on, and I just want to
say I'm just so thankful to have you here. Also,
you served as a Sergeant first Class in the Army.
I was still an active member during Voices of Service
twenty nineteen America's Got Talent appearance where you place fifth.
You hold a Bachelor of Science in healthcare science and
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a master's of Science in psychology, a license practical nurse
and EMT, and formerly worked as a sexual assault Response
coordinator for the Army. You are a head coach at
Positive Perspectives, LLC Coaching and Leadership Development company and a
certified Maxiwell Leadership Coach, trainer and speaker with expertise in relations,
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relationship coaching, career transitions and leadership development. And you previously
serve as the Associate Minister and Minister of Music for
a Victory a faith church man.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You have lots of jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You have been so busy and committed and dedicated to
helping others. How does music help those that have visible
and invisible wounds?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So, ANGELA a great question, and and also I want
to say thank you for having me on the show today.
I really appreciate it. Before before we get started, But
in terms of music, I think music has a unique
way of a unique way of reaching people where words can't.
So you have folks that are dealing with invisible and
visible wounds, and those wounds can be physical or it
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could be something that that's resulting from the from injury, trauma,
or just the weight of some other mental health struggles
that they have going on. So I think for me,
music reminds people that they're not alone, that there's a
shared story, and sometimes that that shared story is sung
and not said. It's just an interesting thing that music
has a way of bridging, bridging barriers or well destroying
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barriers and bridging gaps between folks. And if they can't
talk it out, sometimes they can hear a familiar melody
and they can sing it out and then that will
that will help them to break down those barriers, to
get them to the part where they can actually talk
about what their struggles were and what some of the
things were that they were facing. So music disarmed defenses,
brings connection, and it gives people hope.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Again.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Wow, it's really you know. I when I first was
thinking about this, it brought to mind my brother who
went into the military and he was even promoted. He
had his you know, got his little stripes and bars
and things like that, and then all of a sudden
he was discharged and came, you know, he called, and
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I said, sure, come on, come and stay with me.
And he was not my brother. There was just so
many things he was going through. He just walked all
all night. He never slept, he wouldn't go to sleep.
And I eventually called a doctor and they said he
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needed to be taken to the mental hospital, and they
took me in there and they would give him medication
to help him sleep, because he really needed to sleep.
He eventually came out and we got him into an apartment,
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but that behavior started back again, and one of his
friends came by to visit him, and he didn't answer
the door. They opened the door and there was the
smell and he had passed away. And the dead had
a massive heart attack because of the internal stress he
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was having from whatever he experienced. And very young man,
and I wish I had had the knowledge. I didn't
know what to do because it was frightening to my children.
He wasn't the same person. Sorry, but I have a
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passion to always reach out and to help veterans wherever
I can. I used to do homeless visit the homeless shelters.
I worked on the streets feeding the homeless. I found
a lot of veterans among the homeless, and I would
talk with them encourage them as much as I could.
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I even became a minister and I had a church
for the homeless because they didn't feel comfortable going to
the other go into churches. They did not feel welcome. Wow,
and there was you know, I just I couldn't help him,
but I had to help somebody who was going through
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like him, so that I could make this right as
much as I could. I just needed to share that
because it was just bubbling in my spirit. Yes, ma'am
thinking about him. You Voices of Service still performs. Where
do you perform? And how do listeners reach the group?
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Were a performance? How did he read your group?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So you know we're we're still performing actively and so
Voices of Service we've been blessed to sing on some
pretty incredible stages from of course A G T. We've
also been several NFL games, w n B, A NBA games,
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and even the White House, So it's you know, we
we we do a lot, and but I just wanted
to say this.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
One thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
What means the most to us, though, is it's not
the the the high profile performances. Those are great, don't
get me wrong, those are great. But what's what means
the most is when people are able to come up
to us after a performance or a concert or whatever
and they're able to say, you know, we were we
listened to your music on wherever they listen to it
on and they're like, you know, I listened to it
when I'm having a moment and your your words really
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you know, your words and your songs really have an
impact on us and it helps me get through a
tough time. So I think those are the things that
really resonate the most with me. Is A is A
is a as a healer, you know, as a healer,
a person that just has a natural tendency to want
to heal people. But to answer your question, to go
back to your question, you can contact contact us through
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our website, be of service dot com. It's the like
as in Voice, be of Service dot com, Camel's website,
as well as social media. So all of those places
are are places that you can contact us and reach
us for bookings and find out what we're going to
be doing, and subscribe to our newsletter and stuff so
we can send out information about what we're going to
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be doing and where we're going to be doing it at.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right now, you combine your group, you combine experience as
Maxwell Leadership certified coach with deep psychological insights. How does
this experience help and you're dealing with your clients?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
So so the Maxwell well, to me, it the best
way I can describe it is it gives me the
best of both worlds. So with Maxwell, you have the
timeless leadership principles. That's stuff that you know, it's true
for across whatever spectrum of leadership that you're going to
be in. And psychology gives me the opportunity or gives
me the skill set to understand how people they think,
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how they grow, and how they process things and how
they change. So those things I can integrate both of
those to help clients not only set goals, but to
break through mental barriers or things that hold them back.
The thing that I say is moving them from stuck
to unstoppable. That's kind of like my catch line I
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have too. Yeah, so that's the thing. Yeah, using those
two skills, leadership principles and you know, psychological training to
help people move from stuff to unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
As a decorated US Army senior non commissioned officer, corporate trainer,
licensed practical nerves and minister, how do these skills meet
the needs of hurting people?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Okay, wow, great question.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So so those roles they okay, so they taught me
one thing. Really, to be honest with you, all of
those roles taught me one thing. People need care. They
need clarity. They need care and clarity. Honestly, So the army,
the army side of the house taught me discipline, taught
me to follow through to you know, check up on
the details. And nursing is all about taking care of
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your you know, being an advocate for your patient.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It's about compassion.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So those are things that I again, those are things
that come naturally for me. And ministry is about giving
people hope, right, caring for folks, serving folks, serving folks and.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Giving them hope.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And the corporate training gave me it basically sharpened my
ability to communicate to people across all different spectrums of life,
whether they are CEOs or whether they're interns. So I
was able to communicate with all folks across all the
spectrums of leadership. So when when somebody is hurting as
a result of all those things, and somebody's hurting and
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they happen to exist in those spheares, that mix of experiences,
it it helps me to meet them where they are well.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Very short, I know people to have some of those skills,
and they don't understand that that's the whole purpose of
the knowledge and experience that they have. The experiences that
we have, the knowledge that we have, they have a
purpose and there you put those together to actually achieve
something other than a paycheck. Absolutely, you know, reaching out.
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We have a lot of hurting people, especially the younger
generation right now seems to really be hurting and hurting
others in fact. And they grew up and during a
time where there was there's been a lot of violence.
I grew up, went to school. You know, the most
we did was like have like the bomb drill. We'd
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get under the desk and but you know, nothing was
going to happen, right, you know, they go to school
trying to figure out how they're even going to survive
every day because we're allowing people to just be active
shooters in school and things. When we can stop that.
I mean, that's what your skills are supposed to teach
you that, Okay, this doesn't make sense. Yes, it's called
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change it when you do the same thing over and over,
but it's called.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's to be right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Indeed, you know you're not learning what's wrong. Then you're
not understanding the picture when you just get doing it
over and you allow someone's child to be gone, you
know from their life that I just I don't understand
that kind of thought process. But that's why we have
this show is to help you to get to the
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point where you have different thought processes. You you analyze better,
you better, you use your voice for something better than
you know, screaming on you know, social media and and
and the rudeness and the violence that we perpetuate there.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So absolutely, yes, ma'am so.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Empowering, empowering the people, not dictating, and this is something
we try to do. Dictating creates a space for reflection
and you ask powerful questions and equip clients with practical,
actionable strategies. How is how is that help?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
So? You know, the thing about empowering is is it's
it's not telling people what to do. You know, you
can always tell somebody what to do, but that doesn't
help them learn how to how to process and how
to think. So for me, it's about asking questions that
help them to see answers that and I use this
phrase carefully. It's not so much that it's within them
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that it's easily extracted, but it's that they may have
been thinking about. But there's this thing that we do
as humans, the psychological thing is where we want to
be safe. So success is actually a very risky and
an unsafe thing for our brain as a process. So
a lot of times we don't want to think about
those things. A lot of times we have to sit down,
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we have to sit with those things and think about them.
And when coaches come in as we say, hey, have
you thought about this, and they're like, ah, but no,
we need to think about this. We need to move
this thing from this fight flight of freeze thing that
you got going on in the back of your your
amigdala and move it to the front of your frontal
cortex where you can actually get you to think about it,
because when you're thinking about it, you're actually making better
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decisions because you're actually thinking about how to move things
from this part of this thing is happening to me too.
I'm going to take control in this situation as much
as control as I can. So that's the empowerment piece.
Asking the powerful questions, get in them to think about
things that they normally wouldn't think about, and helping them
to make those decisions that move them forward.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What do you particularly focus on to assist those not sure
of their purpose or their goals when you're you know,
doing your coaching and career, you know, transition training, and
leadership development. You know, how do you really assist them
in that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I think for me it's it's about starting with clarity.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I know that's my through line and I struggled with
that for a long time as a coach, because every
coach needs a coach, so you know, of course I'm
I'm talking to my fellow coaches, and the thing is
always have your through line, know why you do what
you do, right. So the thing is for me, it's
about starting with clarity. Start with clarity, because if you
know what you're, what you're supposed to be doing, if
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you have an ideal or where you're supposed to start,
that's that whole purpose piece, right, I mean, that's where
people get stuck mostly, is that that clarity piece. So
if we can get them to understand, let's start with
what you know, right, start with what you what you
where you want to go. Let's start building the scaffolding
from that standpoint, so uncovering what truly matters for people,
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and then help them align their choices that they're going
to make those decisions that I was talking about previously,
Help them align their choices with those decisions. So once
they get that clarity, they get that confidence, and once
they get the confidence, that consistency is the thing that
normally follows right after all of that.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, and the thing is even for myself, I've always
wanted to help people. When I was a child, I
said I was going to be a doctor, but they didn't.
They didn't quite turn out that way. I ended up
becoming an accountant and a software engineer. You still help
you out, That's what I realized. I go in and
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I help companies right side their ship. I help companies
get out of, you know, tax issues. I help companies
get new software systems in to make things more efficient.
So I am helping. I help companies do the right
thing so they don't go to jail. So I'm always
helping companies, and then I'm always reaching out to help people.
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So in some ways I am helping and I don't
have to deal with some of the things that I realized.
I wasn't going to be able to look at yes
as being a position. It's like, ooh, I'm so glad
I didn't take that path. I would not be able
to handle that. So still doing it. So those skills
that you're talking about, you still are able to use them.
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As your goals and purpose, they just might transition into
a lot of different paths. I mean, I have so
many re imagining my life. I don't know where I'm
going to end up. By the time I'm one hundred
and twenty five. I am living to be one hundred
and twenty five.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I heard that talk about that me too. We're going
to do that together.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know, I said, You know, because some of the others,
you know, you read scriptures, they were in the seven
hundreds and ninehundred years. You know, we done lost a
couple of years here. I want to retreat, recoup some
of my years, and throw twenty five on the end
of one hundred. My grandmother was one hundred and four
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when she passed, So I know that I can reach,
you know, one hundred and twenty five. That's what I'm
shooting for. So I want to stay healthy so I
can do what I do help others as much as
I possibly can. So, doctor Hannam, you say, every person
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possesses seeds of growth, Yes, within themselves, yes, you know,
and so you help the clients to uncover those inherent
strengths and build the resilience needed to thrive. How in
the world. Is that done when most don't know they
have seeds?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So very simple and it's so okay. Here's the thing
about simple simplicity is it's simple, but it doesn't mean
it's easy to do. But it is simple. For me
as a coach, I look for the small winds. I
mean when I say small winds, I'm talking like, you
made your bed today, because for someone that's in depression,
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that beid may have not been made for a long time.
You know, the sheets may not have been changed. It
could have been a lot of different things. So the
small winds are the things that I really really hone
in on because when people can start seeing the small wins,
they can grab a foothold in life. They can or
even a toe hold in life.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
So, and I always say that growth is hidden and
the things that people are already doing or the intent
to do it now we got to move them from
intent to actually action. But the growth is actually hidden
those spaces. So if we can name those things, those
little small winds and help them water those seeds. Hey,
you made your bed today, that's big. What was the
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thing that you know encourage you to do that today?
What was the thought that that was going through your
mind that helped you to do that, and then we
to encourage them to keep having that thought or what
was that thought. It's a placeholder, a mental monument, is
like call them. So those seeds, you keep wading those
seeds with the consistency and with reflection again, thinking about
your thinking, reflecting on those things, remembering why you did
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what you did, why did you do the thing, the
good thing that you did, and then let's let's keep
that going, keep those winning streaks going. So yeah, for me,
it's just a matter of helping clients see or people
not necessarily clients, but people see what what they already
have going on for them and what it takes from
the you know, what's working for them to help them thrive,
and then just keep nurturing that seed.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it seems like there's so many people that have
gone through trauma. And like I said, I come from
a military family, and I mean from great grandfathers to grandfathers,
to uncles, to cousins to nephews to my granddaughter's usband
right now is in the military. I mean, just wow,
it's just you know, everyone has known we need to
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contribute and be a part of what helps us to
be a nation that is free. And so you know,
my family has participated and been apart, but some have
come back, Like I said, my brother and then my
uncle's becoming alcoholics. I mean the trauma when they get
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stuck in that space of trauma and trying to you know,
maybe deaden it with with like the alcohol and things
like that. They're stuck. How do you get someone that's stuck?
How do you get them you know, unstuck.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Wow, that's a great another great question, how do you
get them there? So so to me, from stuck to
unstoppable is all about momentum. We we do have an
issue and it's just it's the human condition inertia and
is one of those things that is just it. We
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all have a form of it in one way or another,
you know, procrastination why because we're fearing something, or we
don't want to move forward because you know there's some
something attached to that memory, or maybe we don't know
what's behind behind this thing. But so in essence, being
stuck is about hesitation, doubt, it's the fear those things
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that uh and all those things are going to keep
us from moving forward. But to helping people to move
from that. It means giving them again again the through
line clarity, right, confidence and understanding, or at least helping
them to uncover their purpose. I mean, I don't I
don't claim to be the purpose the person that would say, hey,
I'm going to help you discover your purpose. It's not that.
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But I will help you with clarity, and I will
help you with confidence. And I believe that purpose is
found in those in those things. Finding those things, so
helping people to bridge those gaps and by breaking goals
into simple, small, simple steps and then showing them you
know that it's progress over perfection. That's what builds the momentum.
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That's what builds that unstoppable momentum. It's progress, not perfection.
That's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, so from stocked unstoppable. Yeah, there's a road map
to move past hesitation. Yes, I think all of us
self doubt absolutely building the confidence and purpose. But is
there a specific strategy to do that?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, there's there's several.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Uh, there's several frameworks that I that I use that
will help with that with that, with that road One
of those is Mission to Reimagine. I use that a
lot of times with the UH, with the veteran population,
because it helps them to kind of reframe what they
were doing, what they were doing before, and what they're
doing now. There's also what I call mental monuments. I
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alluded to that earlier. Mental monuments is all about helping
clients identify things that they already used in the past,
concrete moments, things that they can they notice from the
past that where they've been successful, and I help them say, hey,
there's this concrete moment that you had. You use this already,
that were a moment when you were resilient, where you
were faithful, where you were effective. Right, So let's go
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ahead and look back and look back at those monuments,
those times in spaces, and we're gonna we're gonna do
a few things. We're gonna notice what happened. We're going
to really notice it. We're gonna examine it. Then we're
gonna name it. We're actually gonna name the monument, you know,
kind of like in the Bible, where there were there
were monuments that were building, they named it. They said
this place is this place, and we're gonna name it
this thing so that way we remember, I mean, and
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what you have to do with that is you have
to remember and then tell somebody else about it, so
that way you can extend it. A lot of times
it didn't happen that way, but we're going to try
to do better. We're gonna name it, and we're gonna
remember what it was named, and we're gonna remember to
tell somebody else about it, so that way we can
help be held accountable. So then we're going to anchor
that thing, right, So that's the next thing. What does
this thing tell you about you? What is this story
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that you're telling yourself? What does it say about you?
What are the skills or the things that you get
you have to do to continue to keep these winning
streaks going. And then the last thing you're going to
do is apply it. You know, how could you how
could you this the same version that you that built
this monument? How could that same version of you show
up consistently all the time with that same clarity? How
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does that thing happen? So those those are the things
that notice the name, the anchor, and the and the
the applying the mental monument. So that's a really big one.
That's a powerful framework and it helps a lot of
people out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Especially probably those that have been in the environment of
such discipline as military, and their days were organized and
they know their successes and things like that, and everything's
on the plan. They're not like doing the wrong thing there.
You know, everything has a structure and a plan. And
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being able to at least bring back those that part
of the behaviors of the military. You know, I know
there was something that might traumatized them, but that wasn't
every day. So the good portion was probably just getting
those disciplines, doing that work, accomplishing that task or that
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you know, command that was that was done and being
successful does it But going back to that, are they
able to stay in that happy place where they're like, yeah, man,
I remember doing that and they you know, brighten up
or does it bring bring the trauma to the front.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
See that's interesting because now we're doving into therapy versus coaching. Right,
So with the therapy and the.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Coaching, would you do that right? Right? Interesting?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Interestingly enough so because I and I am very clear
on this, I am not a licensed therapist, right. I
do have a psychology degree, but it's more on the
you know, academia so that you know the research side.
But but that doesn't mean I don't have training in
that area, especially resilience training. So one of the things
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that you have to understand is a is A is
a mental health gatekeeper. Is to understand where you're not
in your depth. Say, for instance, a person has trauma
that comes up during coaching, that might be a good
time to pause and to maybe refer to someone another
practitioner that can help them with those with the trauma
because the trauma part, if we we can, we can
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work with a person that has some that's working with
the therapist as well, because trauma is about unpacking what happened,
why it happened, and moving forward from that from that space,
and then for the coaching aspect, we pick it up
and we say, hey, let's let's see what we can
do as far as moving forward despite the trauma or
even because of the trauma, we can and still move
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you forward with a specific goal or specific tasks. So
we work in tandem with the with therapists on that end.
So to your question about the happy place, sometimes the
happy place doesn't doesn't remain, and sometimes it does trigger
something else and you just have to be skilled to
be able to hear what they're saying and understand what
that's not my depth. I need to make sure that
you get the help you need and we can kind
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of pause, put a pause on what we're doing. Let's
get you to help. You need to deal with that
trauma so we can move forward with the with the
other parts of your life that we can address.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, I was just thinking, Like I said, I was
working with the homeless on the streets and maybould tell
me some things that happened in their lives and things
like that. I couldn't do anything but say, you know,
you survived it. You know, I didn't know what to say,
so that's the only thing I could say, is you
survived it. Now think about what you have experienced and
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others are experiencing some of those things. You can actually
be a voice to help them get through it because
you did get through it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I was trying to encourage them. I don't know whether
they followed it, but they got a happy and excited
face while I was talking to them. But they probably
do need to They need to reach out to someone
that has that, you know, experience and that knowledge because
it's also an area that's pretty tender and can cause
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severe reactions, like you said, triggers since cause them triggers
that could get serious. So I don't think novices like
myself should be trying to practice in areas that we
don't have the license, nor the experience, nor the capability.
We need to refer our friends and our family members
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to professionals who can, like you said, work them through
that trauma area and bring them to a point where
or they they can handle it, they can deal with
it and not live in it and move on. I mean,
I still have friends that we're from viet went to Vietnam,
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and they're okay, and then all of a sudden something
occur and set off a trigger, and it's a response
that I have to like kind of step back. Oh okay,
just be quiet right here, Angela. Don't try to be
You're not the boss here, right Absolutely, you need to
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just be quiet and let them work through this moment here,
but then just probably understanding them. Understanding those trigger triggers
are really really critical.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Right right, And and and to your point, I'm sorry,
I wanted to say something really quickly because I wanted
to say I know you said, Hey, I'm not a professional,
and but a lot of encouragement, care, compassion goes a
long way to help for people because if you're trying
to if you can get them to just you know,
to have hope for the moment, that's helpful because that
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moment can bridge them to the next moment to getting
to getting them to the to help the help that
they need. But yeah, I do not despise, you know,
Boble says, don't despise their small beginnings, those little small
tools that we have in our the chest of smiling
and encouraging and helping, you know, just talking to them
or sitting quiet. Those things are very helpful too. So
don't please how no, say, don't diminish your your you're
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you're working that area because it's it's helpful.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, I'm glad you're saying that, because one of the
things when I was working with the homeless people, especially
the veterans, they really what's saddened them the most. You know,
you sign up and you put your life on the
line for us back home and then yes they've come home,
Yes they're having some issues. They're sitting there on the
(36:53):
side of the sidewalk or there's just leaning on against
the building or whatever, and they say, people walk past
me like they're a tree, like they're not even a
human being. They won't even look them in the eye.
They won't even smile. They could say hello, They're not
going to jump out and bite. I know because I've
worked with them for like ten years. Every Friday down
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you know, downtown, you know, in this parking lot. We
would have food, we would have clothes, We had musicians,
Like you said, music. They were happy when they heard
that music and clapping and everything. And they just when
they talked to me, they said, I'm still human, And
I said, I know, and I'm so glad. And I
(37:36):
would even look for opportunities for you know, restaurants or
whatever that would even give them a little little work
or something to give them that pride. But hey, they might.
They went over there for you to be able to
have freedoms, and I think we owe it to them
to at least give them a hello and a smile.
Can we do that? Can we start saying hello and
(37:59):
smiling and some of the people who are suffering because
they were trying to provide you with the freedoms and
all the things you enjoy and take advantage of on
a daily basis. Just say hello.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the things I heard that.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You know, you mentioned something that you mentioned that and
it reminded me of I can't remember where I heard
it from, but I was thinking about homeless population, specifically
in veterans, homeless veterans, and one of the things they
said they could deal with almost anything, but one of
the things that they was the most heartbreaking to them
(38:35):
was the sense that they were invisible, Like like what
you just said, It's like, you know, it's like he
won't even say hi to me. It's like, I'm a person,
Please just hello, you know, you know, because I guess
most people think that, you know, if I say hi,
then I mean I'm gonna you know, now I got
to give them money, and now I got to give something.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Like a lot of times you'd be surprised. It's like, no,
they just want to say hi.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, and you know what, so put some change in
your darned pocket so if they do need some money.
That's what we were supposed to do. Yeah, love our
neighbor as ourselves. We're supposed to feed the hungry, We're
supposed to clothe the naked. So all of you are
saying that you're following the book, well, you must have
(39:19):
missed a few verses. And I'm speaking for those that
are hurting because you're ignoring them. And if you know
you're going to go down the street and you might
run into them, take a few dollars, take some change,
do something so they at least go buy a coffee.
It would make their day. You have no idea how
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much that would help with the healing process. I'm sorry
I got on.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
No, you're good, but you know what. Challenge accepted? Yeah,
challenge accepted.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
My wife always asked me, hey, you know we you know,
because homeless everywhere. As a matter of fact, any one
of us could be homeless. We're like one pay check
away from a lot of times capacity.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
For the grace of God, you know, it's only the
grace of God that keeps you from maybe being in
that position. And like I said, working with them, it's
just given me a different outlook on life. And yeah,
I'm always trying to help somebody. I mean able to help.
People say why don't you just slow down and stop?
(40:26):
I can't because somebody needs help. And if I'm able
to help, I'm going to do so, because that's what
my hands and my feet and my mouth is for
is to help others. I may not be suffering, but
I'm going to speak up for those who are suffering.
And you know, veterans who have put their lives on
(40:47):
the line should not be needing to fight government to
get their benefits. In fact, my father went to war,
my uncles went to war, and they did didn't get
their benefits when they returned. And I think something still
needs to be done about that. Wow, because there's still
(41:11):
generations of them existing, and so let's make that right.
How about that? Just how about that? Do the right thing? Absolutely,
it goes a long way. So you've told us about
reflection and things like that, a reflective practice designed to
(41:31):
help clients recognize and celebrate their progress, their growth and resilience.
So you said that you give them a mission, reimagined
the framework. So tell me how that works with veterans.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So with the mission reimagine, there's a lot of folks.
Matter of fact, I talked to a young man who
he went through his the way he described it, and
I get it because a lot of us go through
a version of this as retirees or folks that get
out of the army or the military, whatever branch you're in.
And he said, he went through his Alpha and Bravo
plan and now he was in his Charlie Plan. So
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he's doing a job that he did not intend to
be doing when he got out, because he had all
of these plans and had you know, he didn't have
he didn't have a degree, but he was had all
these plans going to business and do all these other things,
but all of that fell through. So long story short,
he was kind of like in a sense where he
was aimless, didn't exactly know fel kind of lost. I
(42:33):
guess that's the word the best word to use, was lost.
And he wasn't sure exactly what he was supposed to
do with that Charlie plan, because I mean, he was
earning money, but he's working hisself, like he's working fifteen
sixteen hour days, comes home, sleeps for a couple hours,
and then goes back to work at four o'clock in
the morning and he's working until seven, eight o'clock at night.
So yeah, it's a lot. But one of the things
(42:55):
I was able to help him with was to kind
of tie his the mission that he's on now because
he's in a service profession, and he was able to
understand that, well, he wants to be a person that
serves because that's why his business model was to be
able to do service things. But he's also serving in
this role that he's in currently. So he's working, you know,
(43:17):
his dual, Hattie's still working in the business, trying to
get the business off the ground. But in the meantime,
I was like, well, let's let's let's figure out what
this thing that you're doing now, how it's caused, you know,
how it's helping you to be able to serve, but
in a different way, you know, kind of like the
mission reimagine. Let's let's reimagine it. So giving you a
little bit of again clarity, clarity of the mission that
(43:38):
you're on currently, because it is a mission. You are
serving people, You're just not serving people in the way
that you thought you might be. So once we get that,
get that clarity out of the way, this is what
you're doing, you're actually serving right, so now you can work.
You can walk into that situation with confidence and knowing that, Okay,
I'm doing this for a period of time. It's a season,
not forever, but it's a season but while I'm in
(44:00):
the season, I'm not just biding time. I'm not just
you know, just marking time. I'm actually doing something. I'm
making connections. I'm working with people. I'm having you know,
building relationships with folks that he's serving and and helping
him to remember that is what you were kind of
doing in the military when you were when you had
the mission, it was readily defined. Now we're going to
redefine the mission. You have to define the mission this time.
(44:23):
Someone's not going to do it for you.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
You have to do it.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
And I'm going to help you figure out what that
what that mission is. So now we have that clarity
of what the mission is, we moved through that identity piece.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Who are you now? Who you were?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Sergeants so and so, or specialists so and so. We're
major so and so, lieutenant colonel so and so. But
who are you now? Who is that person? You still
have those experiences, but who are you now? And now
once we get that identity piece, we can work on Okay,
what am I supposed to be doing? What on Earth
am I meant for?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
That purpose piece? And so then we move it to
the stages of practical planning. So what's the next chapter
look like, what's the next few months look like, what's
the next few weeks look like. Maybe we could do
a five year, ten year, but let's work on weeks
months and then we work on the year plan and
then we work through that. So those practical steps. But
really it's about structure, you know, because a lot of
(45:10):
times folks that are in the military, they just we
folks that were in the military need that structure.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
They need that.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah, they need that structure, And you got to just
bring it back to the to the basics. What were
we doing before? Now that you're in charge of it,
now you know it's not your commander. You are the
commander now, you know. You know, if you're praying, if
you're a praying person, if you're a believer, then you
know God has given you the instructions. But we got
we're gonna tease it out. We're going to figure out God,
what do you say, help me to hear you more clearly?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I also think about the
military families. You know, there are family members that are
involved in the healing of some of the veterans themselves. Absolutely,
their families are part of that healing too, because they're
(46:00):
been part of the trauma and part of the restructure
in their lives and things. So your organization also counsels
the family members too, because it has an impact on
them for sure.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, my carrious trauma. Yeah all yeah, because they go
through the same things. Even I'm looking at my I'm
thinking of my relationship at home with my you know,
I have seven kids, seven kids, me and my wife,
and they're all adults now, which is which is great.
It has its own challenges as then being adults, but
that's another story for another time. But I think about
(46:38):
the almost thirty years that I served and everything that
I went through, my wife went. My wife, she's she
went through it in her own way because when I
had challenges that were, you know, just ridiculous, she had
to work with me to figure that out. When I'm
struggling with different things or whatever, she had to work
with me. So she was some you know, vicariously trauma
(47:00):
by that. And my kids also got a little bit
in that they didn't feel it the same way, but
it was still the same thing. So to your point, yeah,
families go through some of the same things, so you
have to be able to you know, incorporate the families
and the discussion as well, and as as the And
for me, it's about what the you know, the client.
The client could be a family member, but sometimes it's
the client is the military person of the veteran and
(47:24):
sometimes they just they want to get clarity for themselves.
But you know, we also try to work the families
in as well as much as we can. However, sometimes
it's the family members that come for for services because
they know, oh, you're a family you work with family
members too, Yeah, because we want to help you guys
figure that out too, you know, and help your help
your spouse who's struggling with different things, help them, you know,
(47:44):
figure out what the next what the next best steps are,
and and for you as well, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So tell us to our listeners, what can we do
to encourage to help to to lift our voices or
whatever to make things better for our veterans and especially
those that have been, you know, out of the active
(48:14):
military for a long period of time. What would you
recommend to our listeners.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Oh, let's see, if if you are a if you
are a retiree and you are let's say you you
are retiring you've you've maybe you have a modicum of
success or or you you've figured some things out. One
of the first things I would say, reach back, I
(48:40):
mean seriously, reach back and help some of your brothers
and sisters out because there is a So we've gone
through transition assistance programs and that's the program that the
military uses. So when folks are getting out of the
military for whatever, you know, whether they're retiring or their
their their services over for whatever reason, that taps is great.
(49:04):
The problem is it's a fire hose. So you get
all of this information and then you get out, and
then you find out that you miss so much because
you were focusing on trying to you know, clear you
had for the army at CIF, you got to clear
CIF all this other stuff that you got to do,
so you weren't really paying attention. You were just trying
to get out and figure it, you know, and get
(49:24):
on with your life. And they're giving you, hey, we
got all this information. It's going to help you transition.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well, la la la la la. Great.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
But the problem is that once you get out those services,
at at some point those services will THEND. It might
be a while, but they will end, and a lot
of times folks are trying to figure out how they're
going to make ends meet, pay their bills. Then there's
then there are those folks that are further out, that
have been out for three or four years, that have
figured out some things. They had some time and now
(49:51):
they know, Hey, there's these things that are that I
wish I had known. Those are the things. Those are
the things. I want to encourage people. The things that
you wish you had known that you know now, talk
to your people, go reach back to those folks, to
those folks. Don't if you put it on social media,
that's great. I'm always an advocate for saying use the
social media. Hey, soldiers, did you know about this? You know,
(50:12):
there's a lot of folks I'm going to shout out
that are doing great work. LaToya Green is one of them,
retired Starry first Class Flea Toya Green. She does a
great job of advocating the soldiers and she's retired. There's
other folks that are working with folks that are getting
their military benefits, their disability benefits. There are folks that
are doing it for free. They just want to help
them out. Reach back, yes, exactly, help reach out and
(50:33):
help those people out. Take the information that you have,
the knowledge that you have, and help those people out.
Because really that's what we're here for is to work
in community. So if we're not doing the community thing,
then what are we really doing. That's that's my Yeah,
that's that's my biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I get.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I can get passionate about that. I get really passionate
about that. So I'm going to stop at this point.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, I just want to say I've enjoyed our conversation.
Thank you so much for being here on Sharp Outlook,
and for those that listening today, you heard what he said.
You know, reach back if you've been in the military,
reach back if you've been a family member, and help
your other brothers and sisters that might be experiencing some
(51:15):
of the same things and we who have not, that
doesn't mean we can't be involved and lift our voices
that make sure they're getting their benefits, donating to organizations
that are helping the veterans, and just finding out what's
going on. Go out there in social media, whatever, and
get informed and find out what is happening in that
(51:37):
area with our veterans. Thank you so much, doctor Hannah
for being here and thank you for tuning into a
Sharp outlook. We're here every Monday at eleven am Eastern
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