Home foundation issues can be scary — but with the right knowledge, they don’t have to break the bank. In this episode of Ask the Expert, Brett Hodgden, owner of Foster Foundation Repair, joins us to talk about how changing weather patterns, poor drainage, and DIY missteps can lead to serious foundation problems. Brett shares expert insights on how to properly waterproof your basement, the difference between true waterproofing and water management, and why exterior solutions often provide the most long-term value.
We also hear a powerful testimonial from a caller whose elderly mother avoided thousands in unnecessary repairs thanks to Brett’s honest evaluation — a reminder of how the right advice can make all the difference. Whether you’re planning a basement remodel, dealing with water infiltration, or just want to protect your home investment, this conversation is packed with practical tips to help you make informed decisions and avoid costly mistakes.
We also hear a powerful testimonial from a caller whose elderly mother avoided thousands in unnecessary repairs thanks to Brett’s honest evaluation — a reminder of how the right advice can make all the difference. Whether you’re planning a basement remodel, dealing with water infiltration, or just want to protect your home investment, this conversation is packed with practical tips to help you make informed decisions and avoid costly mistakes.
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Twenty past State of Park. You're listening to as you
Expert w SHS the Voice of Charleston. I'm Dell Cooper.
Thanks for tuning in this morning. It is a jaunty
Wednesday morning outside and we have in studio with us
this morning. Always looking forward to our discussions. It's Brett Hodgton.
He is the owner of Foster Foundation Repair. The Expert
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Show that comes on every month here right on five ADWC.
Just breat Good morning. How you doing this morning?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Doing well, It's a pretty day out there, nice and
cool for the guys to be working.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, it's got to be. There's gotta be a little
bit of a sweet spot on either side of the year,
like when you get from winter into spring, and then
when you get from summer into autumn. There's gotta be
like kind of a sweet spot where you have really
nice mornings, where the days don't get too too hot,
where you can get some stuff done.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, we're we're doing that right now. It's more
dusty than dirt and muddy, so they enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And my poor mom has basically a whole mountain up
in Beaumont, and she does in her retirement. You know,
she's always caretaking the yard and things like that. But
I was talking to her last night and she basically
can't do anything right now because anything that requires working
with the ground just aerosolizes so much dust and everything
she's trying to work. Yeah, we's so dry.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We've got where dust mask just out out in the
open air right now, which is unusual.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Pretty crazy. And we'll talk about that in just a minute.
But that does, uh, that can can tend to lead
to some problems because we've had some uh uh some
cycles of intense water and then intense uh intense drought,
and it's gone back and forth a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, so this is really a second year. We've had
a pretty substantial drought throughout the summer and and now
kind of moving into fall that doesn't look like is
gonna let up much. And and last year we saw
quite a bit of settlement foundation settlement, and I'm still
we're kind of wrapping up all that work from last
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last summer and fall, and and I'm starting to see
it kind of repeat to where unfortunately people are suffering
from from that again.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Foster Foundation Repair. You can find out more information online.
It's Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Uh.
If we're starting, we're in uh really late September, now
mid late September is where we're looking at. Obvious, there's
a little bit of a of a landing time. As
far as work that you're able to do. You have
to schedule it out a little bit. What kind of
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work are you is typically best? If we start talking
about October November, and we start talking about the type
of work that generally homeowners should look into doing, then
what type of work is that you're looking to get
into during the winter months.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So right now we're wrapping up all our big, big
excavations where we dig out basement foundations or even cross
spaces and replace the water proofing and drainage systems. Network
is very very difficult to do in the winter. So
that kind of work the bigger, the bigger outside stuff,
we're trying to wrap that up or plan for our
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last last few month month and a half of that.
But interior work we can We can still do a
lot of interior work in the in the in the
winter to address water and foundation movement. A good example
is interior basement drains or interior cross based drains. If
if somebody's suffering from water infiltration, which ironically some people
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still do this time of year, if there's some sort
of spring or something that's feeding the water source, they
can still be getting water on a daily basis, even
even during a fairly dry period like we're experiencing now.
But there's a lot of things we can do inside
to like for for for the water for Boeing walls
is another good example. We can stabilize a Boeing or
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a leaning foundation wall from the interior. Oftentimes will do
these interior options when the situation is such that there's
a large hillside behind the house or steep hillside where
access is very poor, or or if somebody is very
budget conscious, we can we can typically do some work
inside to stabilize the house or to manage the water
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from the interior at a lesser cost than than the
outside excavation. Yeah, but I my preference is always to
do it from the outside, even though is more expensive
and the goal.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The reason I like.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
To do it from the outside is we're actually addressing
the source of the problem where we're collecting the water
outside and moving it around the building, rather than managing
it on the interior of the building.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Which at any point is going to be a more
solvent fix, I guess, right, because if you're I mean,
everybody familiar with the term of band aid fix or
something like that. But but if you're not addressing the
main problem, you're just going to have different symptoms basically
that's going to pop up at different times.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yes, I mean, like water is a good example we can.
We can collect it out on the outside. We can
waterproof foundation, and we can collect the water outside with
proper storm water management at the roof and at the
ground level. And then with a proper, properly functioning foundation drain,
we can collect the residual ground water or water that
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still migrates up next to the foundation. And that's that's
a true proper repair for a water system. There's also
the option and to manage it inside, which unfortunately I'm
hearing from from clients and potential clients that that others
in our industry are are pushing the interior drain as
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the best option and and that's not that's truly not
the case. Anytime you see a set of architectural drawings
with for a building, you're gonna you're not going to
see an interior foundation drain. You're going to see an
outside foundation drain.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
By the way, that's gott to drive you nuts. As
a professional right for people claiming a standard is something
that is in a standard, you know, like a best standard,
that's got to drive you a little nuts. It does.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It does, because I mean, that's that's half of what
my my job is when I'm out meeting with the
client is to educate them and explain the different options,
the pros, the cons which every every every option we
have has a prono con ones might be more expensive. Uh,
the interior drain we're we're collecting the water inside and
managing it and removing it from the interior. And another
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thing that the the end of a lot of people
in our industry do is they call that interior drain
system a waterproofing system. It is not a waterproofing system.
A waterproofing system is defined in the building code as
doing these steps on the exterior of the building. It
is a water management system. And again, we install these systems,
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but it's kind of I don't like when it's kind
of misconstrued. You had all these other all these websites
that say basement waterproofing, and they're they're doing an into
your foundation drain man.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That's a that's an important distinction and one that you
probably aren't going to run into if you're just casually
reading these things when you're trying to find when you're
trying to find someone to do the work for you.
You can find out more information on line Foster Foundation
Repair dot com. Give us a call this morn If
you have any questions for Bread about your foundation, about
some issue with your water management or waterproofing, or anything
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along those lines, you give us all this morning three
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I want to tell a little bit of a tail
on myself and then ask you some questions relative to this.
You know, we talk a lot about the uh, the
the eaves and uh and drainage off the roof and
things like that, and and and you've mentioned many times
that that's one of the main things that a homewner
can do, is make sure that that you're down, that
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your down spouts are clear, and that everything's good. I
tried to rig up something to save myself a little time.
So I have one of those big tree tremmors, you know,
with the big big pole with the little lever that
you that you pull on it. And so I rigged
up an old cell phone on to the top of
one of those and put it on video mode so
I could hold it above my uh, hold it above
my eaves and take a look and see how badly
that they're they're clogged up, you know, thinking that you know,
(08:33):
I could isolate some time. If I just needed to
get to certain corners of the house, I could get
to it and not have to worry about it. I
did that a while back, and I thought that I
was clever. So there was only a couple of places
that I really went into and went up and had
to pull some stuff out of. I was like, it's
not that bad. And it was the side of the
house I expected with the trees that kind of overhanging
a little bit and everything. So I thought I was
I was really clever. And then when we finally got
a rain, when was it we finally got rained, like
(08:53):
last weekend or whenever it was when we find out
of rain my back corner of the house that I
had some problems with once again, water just cascading over
the side. I'm like, I just did this. How in
the heck is this possible? So I took my lazy
butt up there. I should have done this the first time,
right with my ladder. I take my lazy butt up
there and take a look in and some dirt rocks,
basically all kinds of stuff had got compacted down into
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the hole. So although I had used my little camera
to look. I didn't see anything protruding. It was down
in there. I had to like basically poke it through
and then clear it out a little bit, almost like
you're clearing out of drain to get it to go through.
And it was fine now. But that was just something
being a knucklehead. If I was just taking the time
to do it right, that wouldn't fact it didn't cause
any damage. But still I would have done it right
the first time. And it just got me thinking when
(09:34):
I did that, and I was kind of kicking myself
for it. I bet you see tons of STFF. Now
that's relatively minor, but I bet you see tons of
stuff with people trying to fix things, add things, you know,
d y I type things that kind of mess up
the thing that you need to come in and fix later.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Uh yeah, I mean I kind of on your your
pole IDEA. There's actually that from my home inspection days,
there used to be there is a device out there
that is a exactly that. It's a it's for the
home inspection industry. It's a it's a camera on a stick.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I taped my cell phone, my old cell phone to
it worked fine. If I would have just taken a
little bit more time with it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, I mean to your point, you checked your gutters
and they were clean, and then they're not. That's I mean, trees,
trees are putting right now, the an acorns falling, so
we're you know, I've seen I've seen plenty of gutters
down spouts and the piping system full of acorns or
I don't know what they're called. I think the hickory
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balls of the spiky balls, just all those things. If
they hit the roof, they're going down to the gutter.
It's catching it and then the water flushes it out.
So the really commonplace for a gutter or a gutter
down spout system to get clogged is in the elbows
of the down spouts. That's that's a very commonplace.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I think. We have a caller who's called in this
morning has a question for you this morning, Brett caller,
you are on the air. What's your first name? Hey, Matt,
how you doing? Were you calling in for Brett?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I am Actually I just wanted to give him a
shout out because, oh, a year or so ago, when
he was first on here, I heard about his services.
My mom and Huntington was having some issues with a
front door closing and had two or three different estimates
to do some work to sort that out, and they
were pretty substantial. But I heard Brett called he himself,
(11:23):
came out there, used the lasers, everything else ended up
saving her multiple thousands of dollars. It's still sorted out.
It's been great. I just wanted to say that they
did a great job and took a lot of care.
Customer service was top notch, and you know, I've got
an eighty five year old mother who's very happy, So
I just wanted to say, great work. If you're wondering
(11:46):
about a problem you might have, I would give him
a call and have them come down. So that's all
I just want to say. It's We've been very happy
and thanks to the show and to Brett's it's been
a really good outcome for my mother.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, man, we really appreciate and we got to take
care of her.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Mom's right, Yeah, Matt, I really appreciate that. Did I'm
trying to remember, did we also do a vapor barrier
for your mother?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
You actually did, and it was a lot less expensive
than what she's been quoted.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Quality of work and the care that you took in
coming out and evaluating the problem pretty quickly sorted out
that a couple of things that she's been told were
not correct, and given your background, I trusted you and anyway,
it's it's I appreciate it. Just just pros there and
his wife and the customer service were wonderful.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So well, Matt, No, really really appreciate your words, Matt.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Thank you, Matt. We appreciate that. Thanks a bunch for
calling in this morning. Yeah, we appreciate that. And that's
that's Matt calling in. You can do the same. Hey,
we take testimonials too. There's nothing they're wrong with that
at all. You can give us a call this morning
at three zero four three four five fifty fifty eight.
Three zero four three four five fifty fifty just like
Matt did. It's an AUTOQ, so you'll be put on
to hold right away. You'll be able to hear the show.
But then we'll ask your name when you go in there,
(12:59):
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five zero zero eight. One of the things I was wondering,
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and you do such a great job explaining these things
when you're on the air, and so and I think
this is the Matt's call was a great opening for this.
One of the things that your services can help with.
If somebody is faced with where they know they have
a project ahead of them, they know that they have
a repair, the foundation repair they need to do, or
some other kind of major work that comes in like that.
One of the things you can help do is kind
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of calm down a little bit. They're faced with this, what,
to you know a lay person, seems like an insurmountable project,
and you know, suddenly you're getting all of these things.
I got to do this, and I gotta do this,
so what's going to mean for my house? Everything else?
You can really help take the panic down a little
bit and give step by step, this is what we're
going to do. This is how we're going to resolve
your issue.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yes, I mean there's a lot of people out there
that sort of like Matt. Matt kind of alluded to that.
I don't remember the exact situation with the other contractors,
but certainly sometimes things get blown out of proportion and
they're not that big of a deal. A good example
is a couple of days ago, I was at a
house that had a little bit of cracking. The owner stated,
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it just developed, it has just recently developed, and it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Was right now.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It is on the one side of a garage, next
on the driveway side of the garage, and she had
another contractor out quoted her installing three helical piers or
three push piers in this case, which are designed to
stabilize a house against settlement. But I set up a
laser level essentially zero changing in the elevation of anything
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that would suggest settlement. When I walked up to the house,
I pretty well knew what it was. It was just
based on the crack pattern. It was pretty obvious to me.
But what had happened in this case is somebody had
impacted the front of this building with a vehicle. She
had just had a roof replaced. She has a younger
son that lives in the house, so I suggested that
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she might want to check her son's venders. But it
was simply an impact and this person was quoted, this
contractor quoted or almost eight thousand dollars to install three
helical peers that would have not addressed the situation at all,
that were not warranted, and we were I just provided
her to the quote, but we were quite a bit
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less expensive, and it was more of just a reinforcement
of the masonry in that corner.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And that's exactly the kind of confidence that you want
to have in the work that's being quoted to you
we're going to have done. And it may not always
be a money saving situation, I mean, but you want
to make sure the work is done correctly, and sometimes
it turns into that because I mean, unfortunately, there's a
couple of different ways you can approach sales. And I
remember the first sales gig that ever had basically being
(16:01):
taught sales by a guy, and he was very good
at his job, and he was right. He said, there's
a couple of different ways that you can approach. When
you're going to talk to someone about the services you
can offer, you can take the fear approach. You can
try to scare them into your services, and that might work. Honestly,
that might work, but it works once you know, and
then over the years what happens is that person figures
out they shouldn't have been so scared, and then they're
not going to call you back. The other way you
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can try to do it is being an information based salesperson,
where you tell people and let them make an education decision,
give them the power to do it. Suddenly they're making
their own decisions. They're happy with the work. When they
need to work again, they're going to go to the
person that gave them the information, where they had the
power and an agency to make the right decision, and
not the person to try to scare them into doing something.
And so that's really the right way to do things.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That's very true, and I am certainly the latter. I'm
not a salesperson. That was never in my bones. I
don't like promoting myself in any real way. Your conversation
reminds me of things. Another estimate I went to last
week or so, another contractor had already been in to
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do repairs and they sold in a crawl space. They
sold this this older lady some new footings, posts and
beams to support her her floor system that was sagging,
and they they she was having issues still. After the
work was done, they created a big hump in the
floor and so she she called us to take another look,
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and I don't know what they charged her. They had
she had another quote from another contractor, but none of these,
none of their options were going to actually fix the
problem this. This was a situation where there was no
insulation around the perimeter of the floor and and condensation
was developing uh in the winter months on the floor
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system around the perimeter and it slowly deteriorated the sial
plate and the floor joists. So around the entire perimeter
of this crawl space, the floor joist had deteriorate in
and were crushing, and none of the repair options were
addressing this. So we ended up giving her the quote
to address the damage, but also the other sources, which
were the water issues she was having in the crawl space,
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but both the standing water and the liquid water, so
our in this situation, our price was substantially higher than
what everybody else was, but it was a phase approach
or gave her all the three options that she needed,
and number one being fixed the structure and then fixed
the water issues that cause of that to develop. Whereas
first off, the other individuals weren't able to identify the
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actual culprit for what was causing her problems and then
tried to get her to do something that wasn't even
going to help her. And the second estimate that I
saw was substantial. It was over twenty thousand dollars. And
I don't know what the first person charged. There was
not a big project that they that they did, but
they collected money and it hasn't helped.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh boy, now that's what you want to try to avoid.
Foster Foundation Repair more information online Foster Foundation Repair dot com.
Foster Foundation Repair dot com located on Woodrom Lane here
in Charleston. The phone number for Brett and Foster Foundation
Repair is threes are of four seven seven six sixty
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sixty three. We'll take some more phone calls when we
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come back. We're going to take a commercial break here
in just a moment. But one of the things I
was going I'm going to ask Brett about is is
the difference in technology. You know, you've been doing this
for a long time, and heck, we've done back in
year when you just started out, we did radio shows
what ten years ago or something I think just about
so you've seen a lot of things coming and going
in this industry. So we'll talk about how things maybe
(19:31):
have improved as far as the tools for your job
and things like that goes. And also your phone calls
and your questions as well. Want to talk about foundation
repair and how Brett Hodgton and Foster Foundation and Repair
can help you out. You give us a call three
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Brett Hodshton from Foster Foundation Repair. Having a great conversation
this morning about foundation repair, your basements, water management and waterproofing.
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zeros er eight. I was interested in talking about some
of the We've touched on this a little bit before,
but I was interested in talking about some of the
technology that's come about, either in products or in evaluations
or something like that. If somebody had had some foundation
work done at some point in the past, like you know,
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twenty years ago, they had some work done, and they
have some experience in their have things come Is there
a technology in services and in materials and things like
that that have changed in the last ten to fifteen
years or something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To some extent, yes, I mean first generation repairs were
typically like for example, for settlement issues, the first generation
repair back in the seventies eighties were concrete underpins, and
what that consisted of is digging down to the foot
or actually undermining the foot and pouring more concrete under
the foundation. And the hope was that you were getting
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deeper down into better, more competent soil. The problem with
that type of repair is you're adding a lot of weight.
Concretes very heavy, so oftentimes it actually exasperbated the problem
and the settlement continued or actually the pace increased. So
concrete underpins are really not a I don't see people
(23:50):
offering to do those anymore. For settlement issues. It's typically
a helical peer or a push pier. We exclusively install
helical peers because in our region, I just see there's
a lot of push piers that fail, and we do
a lot of repairs on foundations that have already had
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push piers installed and the problem continues. And the reason
for that is push peers are installed by using a
hydraulic ram that is attached to the house and you
use the weight of the house to push the pier down.
The problem with that is is once the push piers
down into soil that is equal to the weight of
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the house, the house starts to lift and at that
point in time, you have a one to one degree
one to one safety factor for the way of the
house to the capacity of the pile. A pushper is
perfect on a house that is heavy and you're able
to push it all the way down to bedrock, but
if you if it stopped short in a shale or something,
they tend to bleed off. So the difference with a
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pushpier to a helical pier is helical pier is spun
into the earth. It's like a big screw, and it's dependent.
Its depth is dependent on the capacity of the installation
equipment used to install it, so it is not relying
on the way to the house. It is spun into
the earth like a screw with a hydraulic drive head
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or a drive tool, and you install that until either
your equipment can no longer push it further or you
decide that that's adequate based on the pressure that's being applied,
and we're able to we're able to calculate a theoretical
capacity of the pile based on how much pressure it
takes to install it. So essentially we have a level
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of confidence of what that pile can hold when it's installed,
and our practices is to install it to refusal, so
essentially install it until our equipment is maxed out and
that gets it well passed where it needs to be
to hold a typical residential structure.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Now, when you just think about the kind of the
point to point that you illustrated there and talking about
to the steps that you take if you're on the
outside listening into something like this, I mean again the
confidence that goes into because these are all major projects.
Generally speaking, these are all major projects, and each.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
One of those is two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we were talking a little bit
during the break that I know somebody personally in my
family who unfortunately maybe was talked into who are who
was in kind of a struggling situation, who was maybe
talked into a repair that went the wrong direction and
invested a lot of money in a foundation repair that
wasn't the right thing, ended up having to redo it
at a later time, and so the cost of having
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that done twice was substantial. You want to have it
done right the first time and make sure that you
have the right person that's doing that, and just the
confidence that you have in walking through those steps and
illustrating to people exactly what that means and how it's
going to affect them. It should just give the client
a lot more a lot more confidence that they're not
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going to have to go back and redo this type
of thing.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I have seen a lot
of mixed misdiagnosises to kind of exactly to your point.
Where a house is suffering from lateral displacement and it
creates stairstep cracks, say the front wall is bowing in,
it will oftentimes create stairsteps cracks on the back side
of the house, which is oftentimes misdiagnosed for settlement cracks.
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So a contractor comes in and puts helical piers or
push piers on the back side of the house when
the problem was on the other side of the house.
And and I've seen that plenty of times. Somebody will
spend twenty thousand dollars over there and that it wasn't
warranted and and the problem was on the other side
of the house. But kind of back to your your
the evolution of our industry another you know, the push
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the helical peer to me is a great evolution from
the concrete underpin right. We've I've seen recently. This this
new to me, which is is a the intent of
this new system, it's a it's a way to manage
water inside of basement. The way the purpose of the
entire purpose of this new system is to cut cost,
(28:03):
to lower the cost of the install and I call
it a top of foot or drain, And what it
is is on the endside of the building, the concrete
basement floor is cut about four inches and it's replaced
with a rectangular shaped drain that has is perforated and
it sits on top of the footer, which presumably was
(28:23):
flat when it was installed, so the drain will have
no pitch. But probably most importantly, by removing that little
bit of concrete, you've eliminated the lateral support for the
bottom of the wall, and that concrete slab is counteracting
the pressure that is being exerted on the foundation by
all the soil that is retaining. So that's that's something
(28:47):
I don't like about what I'm seeing in our industry.
And again it's it's simply a cost saving method that
a lot of people are using. We do not install
that type of drain system when we when we do
our interior dreams we'll actually take more concrete out, put
the drain down below the floor slab, and replace the
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floor slab when we're complete. But the risk is, and
the reason I won't do it is there is it
is cheaper, and a lot of people will go for
that system, even after I've tried to do my best
to educate them, because it is there is cost savings.
But we won't do it because the first one I
would do, we would that foundation would fail and we'd
have a base wall share and we'd end up with
(29:30):
a very large problem that needed to be addressed. And
in fact, if you read their warranty documents, they don't
warrant what the risk is. They only want. They're only
warranting water entry. They're only guaranteeing that your basement is
going to be dry. Uh they're not. I mean it
specifically excludes the type of movement or failure that could
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occur as a result of that installation.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Wow, man, there's a lot said. That's exactly. You know,
we have John er Dad on here every Monday, And
obviously planning out your or financial future is a very
complicated thing, and you have to know all the tools
and the nuances that go behind it. I mean, this
is really I mean, it's a completely different industry, but
it's really not different from the fact of the matter
that you need to have the correct plan for your
house and for your situation. It's not a cookie cother situation.
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And people that come in trying to sell you products
and services first before taking a look at at what
it is that you actually need, you're going to get
yourself into a situation where you may not get be
getting the thing that matches up to what you need,
over paying for something that you don't need. And like
we said, the worst possible situation doing a full full
on Like you know, you get a second mortgage out
to take care of a foundation repair, you get it done,
(30:37):
and then you come to find out later it didn't
fix your problem. That's a major issue for somebody's life.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah yeah, or or it didn't you fix the wrong thing,
or they just didn't get it done right. And that
was another example. I saw last week a house in
Saint Albans was I happened I don't know why I
was in the area, but I happened to see a
house last winter when we had that the big snow
on they had all three or all four sides of
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this house excavated in the middle of the dead, middle
of winter, trying to do a new waterproofing system, and
I was called out last week or the week before
to look at it because she's still suffering water infiltration.
And I don't know if it was I think the
weather was probably a major factor in the fact that
that project wasn't successful, because that's why we don't do
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them that time of year, because you're digging a hole
and it just that's where all the water ends up
in a when we're doing those excavations. So, yeah, it's
very unfortunate to see these, you know, these situations where
people have invested so much money and they're still having
the problems.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That makes sense, That doesn't make sense and something you
would definitely want to uh to casting yourself on. You
can find out more about Foster Construction online Foster Foundation
Repair Online is Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Foster Foundation
Repair dot com located at the forty two twenty six
Woodham Lane here in Charleston. Their phone number threes are
A four seven seven six sixty two sixty three. Threes
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we have ten minutes or nine minutes or so left
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in the program this morning. You even give us a
call threes erre a four three four five fifty eight
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A four seven eight one. Can you waterproof a basement
that already has finished walls and carpet.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yes, that can be done from the exterior. That is
a true waterproofing system. So in a case like in
that case, we would excavate the soil along that along
that wall or whatever walls were needed, all the way
down to the footer. We would clean off the wall
apply We install a commercial grade waterproofing system called Carlisle.
(32:38):
It consists of a self adhering rubber membrane. So essentially
it's a piece of rubber and a sheet that we
roll out on the on the wall and that gets
installed in a shingle type fashion. Soever you start at
the bottom and the next the next row overhangs the
first row and you carry that all the way up
the wall. And then we install a product call mirror Dry,
(33:00):
which is a nippled membrane with a filter cloth on
it that goes directly against the wall there. So you've
got a rubber seal, and then you've got a vertical
drainage plane that directs all the water down at the
bottom of that excavation, we'll put a perforated pipe. Before
we put the pipe in, we'll put we'll wrap uh,
we'll put in non woven geotextile fabric to keep all
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the fine soil particles out of our new drainage plane,
and then we backfill that whole thing with gravel. So essentially,
any water that gets near the foundation has a direct
path down to the foot or drain, which is a
perforated pipe. Some people will call it a fringe drain,
but it's a perforated pipe that is then directed out
to the to the opposite side of the building.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
If someone is planning a basement remodel of some kind
and they're wondering about either a water management or a
water proofing system, is it always better to get the
xterior done if you're going to be doing anything. Is
it a situation dependent? For example, like if you're not
doing a full like carpet ceiling type of thing, and
you're just I'll use myself as an example. I'm looking
(34:02):
right now into I don't want to finish my basement,
but I want to think about putting like a half
bath down there and finish like a little area so
we have a little extra room down there. But I
don't need I'm not going to finish the whole thing now.
I have a current water management system where it whereas
funnels everything to the sump pump and it pumps it out,
and it seems to work okay as far as my
house goes. But if someone's looking to do various stages
of a remodel to their basement, either a partial one
(34:24):
where they're looking to just add more storage or something
or like a full on you know, man cave or
something along those lines, what is the best solution for them.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
It's very case dependent. You know, your house in Kanal
City is on flat ground, so we don't have a
great option for daylight drains. Basically, the foundation drain runs
downhill to a point where it pops out of the
hillside and the water's just draining via gravity. In situations
like that, we typically end up with an exterior sump
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pump or an interior sump pump. So it's really case dependent.
It depends on really the goals the budget. I mean,
there's a lot of different things to consider. Uh, if
there's been movement of the foundation, that's certainly a big consideration,
because if the if the wall is bowing in, for example,
the there's a lot of pressure on the wall and
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that water is is a is applying pressure, So that's
that's certainly a consideration. We interior foundation drains. I would
never install one with the intent of reducing pressure that's
acting on the wall. I have seen situations where it
appeared the wall relaxed after that system was installed. But
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the I mean essentially an interior drain is you're you're
drilling a hole through the face of the foundation, not
all the way to the outside, but just essentially we're
letting the water out of the block into our new
drainage system. So we're not we're not actually taking the
water from the outside and purposely bringing it in. We're
just managing it once it comes in. So the bottom line,
(36:02):
long answer to your question, it really is case dependent.
A lot of different factors have to be to be considered.
The situation, the location, budget, a lot of different things.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I think back on some people I've known in my life.
I've known two people, and this was years ago in Michigan,
but I still know two people that made significant investments
in one putting. In one case it was a family room.
In another case it was this elaborate man cave before
man cave was even a thing. A friend of mine
made his own, like Bruce Wayne Chamber with like all
(36:35):
of his suits and like all kinds of stuff. And anyway,
neither of them, they both of them did in the
basement of their house. Neither of them, I don't think
evaluated just how safe the structure was for that. Anyway,
they both got their basements flooded yea, and it kind
of all the fancy stuff they put in there and
everything else, electronics, carpet and all that stuff got relatively ruined.
Which leads me to another question. That stuff unfortunately happens
(36:56):
not to anything that you take care of. But if
someone knows that they need to get a water management
or waterproofing system done to their basement, and they just
got over a problem so they had to like I e.
Fifteen years ago, I had to go get a pump
and put it down in my basement and suck it
all out into my ba into my alley. To get
literally like a foot and a half of water out
of my basement though was terrible. So if you have that
much water standing in your basement for a while and
(37:17):
you have to suck it out, what do you have
to do first before you can even call you to
have you come in to to start taking a look
at helping water management, because there's some cleanup it's involved here, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Mean, this situation like that, obviously pump the water out.
You're probably gonna want to depending on damage you're I mean,
you'll probably want to discuss that with an insurance agent
or water like a restoration company. But as long as
you know we can get down in there, there's not
much to do. But kind of for people that are
considering that have exposed basements or you know, unfinished basements,
(37:50):
things to look for if you're considering to finish the
basement out before you would just go do that without
maybe taking some additional steps is obviously water standing. But
another very very good thing to look for is a
white powdery substance that might develop on the wall. It's
called efflorescence. Sometimes if the wall has been painted, the
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paint will kind of get bubbly and if you touch it,
it kind of gets crunchy. And what that is is
as the water is moving through the wall, it's picking
up salts and minerals. It gets to the inside face
of the foundation and then evaporates and it leaves those
minerals behind. And that's what that powdery substance is. The
problem is, when you know it's evaporating into the house,
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it might elevate your humidity in the home slightly. The
problem is is when somebody goes and puts a finished
material up there, now you're trapping that moisture behind the wall,
which could then lead to a mold related issue. So
there are certain that's one thing people can look for,
is that kind of white substance or a kind of
a bubbling paint or a flaky paint of some sort.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's great information. As always with bred Hodgton, the owner
of Foster Foundation Repair. As we wrap up the show
this morning, let me make sure that I get all
of the information out to you so you can get
a hold of a Brett for any future concerns that
you have to worry about. As we heard from Matt
a little bit earlier, Brett could definitely help you out,
make sure you get on the right path, make sure
you're not being sold a bill of goods that you
don't need, and to get the job done correctly. You
can contact Foster Foundation Repair first. You can check the
(39:16):
information Foster Foundation Repair dot com online. That's Foster Foundation
Repair dot Com located here in Charleston, forty two twenty
six Woodroum Lane in Charleston. The phone number three zer
A four seven seven six sixty two sixty three, three
zer A four seven seven six sixty two sixty three.
Once again three zer A four seven seven six sixty
two sixty three Foster Foundation Repair dot Com. Brett, thanks
a lot for your for your insights this week. Great conversation. Yeah,
(39:38):
thank you, sir, well, I appreciate see you back here
next month. Yep, sounds good, sounds great. That's Brett Hodston,
owner of Foster Foundation Repair. Foster Foundation Repair dot Com.
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Thanks for tuning in this morning. It is a jaunty
Wednesday morning outside and we have in studio with us
this morning. Always looking forward to our discussions. It's Brett Hodgton.
He is the owner of Foster Foundation Repair. The Expert
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Show that comes on every month here right on five ADWC.
Just breat Good morning. How you doing this morning?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Doing well, It's a pretty day out there, nice and
cool for the guys to be working.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, it's got to be. There's gotta be a little
bit of a sweet spot on either side of the year,
like when you get from winter into spring, and then
when you get from summer into autumn. There's gotta be
like kind of a sweet spot where you have really
nice mornings, where the days don't get too too hot,
where you can get some stuff done.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, we're we're doing that right now. It's more
dusty than dirt and muddy, so they enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And my poor mom has basically a whole mountain up
in Beaumont, and she does in her retirement. You know,
she's always caretaking the yard and things like that. But
I was talking to her last night and she basically
can't do anything right now because anything that requires working
with the ground just aerosolizes so much dust and everything
she's trying to work. Yeah, we's so dry.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
We've got where dust mask just out out in the
open air right now, which is unusual.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Pretty crazy. And we'll talk about that in just a minute.
But that does, uh, that can can tend to lead
to some problems because we've had some uh uh some
cycles of intense water and then intense uh intense drought,
and it's gone back and forth a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yeah, so this is really a second year. We've had
a pretty substantial drought throughout the summer and and now
kind of moving into fall that doesn't look like is
gonna let up much. And and last year we saw
quite a bit of settlement foundation settlement, and I'm still
we're kind of wrapping up all that work from last
(02:38):
last summer and fall, and and I'm starting to see
it kind of repeat to where unfortunately people are suffering
from from that again.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Foster Foundation Repair. You can find out more information online.
It's Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Uh.
If we're starting, we're in uh really late September, now
mid late September is where we're looking at. Obvious, there's
a little bit of a of a landing time. As
far as work that you're able to do. You have
to schedule it out a little bit. What kind of
(03:08):
work are you is typically best? If we start talking
about October November, and we start talking about the type
of work that generally homeowners should look into doing, then
what type of work is that you're looking to get
into during the winter months.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So right now we're wrapping up all our big, big
excavations where we dig out basement foundations or even cross
spaces and replace the water proofing and drainage systems. Network
is very very difficult to do in the winter. So
that kind of work the bigger, the bigger outside stuff,
we're trying to wrap that up or plan for our
(03:41):
last last few month month and a half of that.
But interior work we can We can still do a
lot of interior work in the in the in the
winter to address water and foundation movement. A good example
is interior basement drains or interior cross based drains. If
if somebody's suffering from water infiltration, which ironically some people
(04:02):
still do this time of year, if there's some sort
of spring or something that's feeding the water source, they
can still be getting water on a daily basis, even
even during a fairly dry period like we're experiencing now.
But there's a lot of things we can do inside
to like for for for the water for Boeing walls
is another good example. We can stabilize a Boeing or
(04:24):
a leaning foundation wall from the interior. Oftentimes will do
these interior options when the situation is such that there's
a large hillside behind the house or steep hillside where
access is very poor, or or if somebody is very
budget conscious, we can we can typically do some work
inside to stabilize the house or to manage the water
(04:48):
from the interior at a lesser cost than than the
outside excavation. Yeah, but I my preference is always to
do it from the outside, even though is more expensive
and the goal.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The reason I like.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
To do it from the outside is we're actually addressing
the source of the problem where we're collecting the water
outside and moving it around the building, rather than managing
it on the interior of the building.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Which at any point is going to be a more
solvent fix, I guess, right, because if you're I mean,
everybody familiar with the term of band aid fix or
something like that. But but if you're not addressing the
main problem, you're just going to have different symptoms basically
that's going to pop up at different times.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yes, I mean, like water is a good example we can.
We can collect it out on the outside. We can
waterproof foundation, and we can collect the water outside with
proper storm water management at the roof and at the
ground level. And then with a proper, properly functioning foundation drain,
we can collect the residual ground water or water that
(05:49):
still migrates up next to the foundation. And that's that's
a true proper repair for a water system. There's also
the option and to manage it inside, which unfortunately I'm
hearing from from clients and potential clients that that others
in our industry are are pushing the interior drain as
(06:11):
the best option and and that's not that's truly not
the case. Anytime you see a set of architectural drawings
with for a building, you're gonna you're not going to
see an interior foundation drain. You're going to see an
outside foundation drain.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
By the way, that's gott to drive you nuts. As
a professional right for people claiming a standard is something
that is in a standard, you know, like a best standard,
that's got to drive you a little nuts. It does.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
It does, because I mean, that's that's half of what
my my job is when I'm out meeting with the
client is to educate them and explain the different options,
the pros, the cons which every every every option we
have has a prono con ones might be more expensive. Uh,
the interior drain we're we're collecting the water inside and
managing it and removing it from the interior. And another
(06:57):
thing that the the end of a lot of people
in our industry do is they call that interior drain
system a waterproofing system. It is not a waterproofing system.
A waterproofing system is defined in the building code as
doing these steps on the exterior of the building. It
is a water management system. And again, we install these systems,
(07:18):
but it's kind of I don't like when it's kind
of misconstrued. You had all these other all these websites
that say basement waterproofing, and they're they're doing an into
your foundation drain man.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That's a that's an important distinction and one that you
probably aren't going to run into if you're just casually
reading these things when you're trying to find when you're
trying to find someone to do the work for you.
You can find out more information on line Foster Foundation
Repair dot com. Give us a call this morn If
you have any questions for Bread about your foundation, about
some issue with your water management or waterproofing, or anything
(07:50):
along those lines, you give us all this morning three
or four three four five fifty eight fifty eight threes
or a four three four five fifty eight fifty eight.
I want to tell a little bit of a tail
on myself and then ask you some questions relative to this.
You know, we talk a lot about the uh, the
the eaves and uh and drainage off the roof and
things like that, and and and you've mentioned many times
that that's one of the main things that a homewner
can do, is make sure that that you're down, that
(08:12):
your down spouts are clear, and that everything's good. I
tried to rig up something to save myself a little time.
So I have one of those big tree tremmors, you know,
with the big big pole with the little lever that
you that you pull on it. And so I rigged
up an old cell phone on to the top of
one of those and put it on video mode so
I could hold it above my uh, hold it above
my eaves and take a look and see how badly
that they're they're clogged up, you know, thinking that you know,
(08:33):
I could isolate some time. If I just needed to
get to certain corners of the house, I could get
to it and not have to worry about it. I
did that a while back, and I thought that I
was clever. So there was only a couple of places
that I really went into and went up and had
to pull some stuff out of. I was like, it's
not that bad. And it was the side of the
house I expected with the trees that kind of overhanging
a little bit and everything. So I thought I was
I was really clever. And then when we finally got
a rain, when was it we finally got rained, like
(08:53):
last weekend or whenever it was when we find out
of rain my back corner of the house that I
had some problems with once again, water just cascading over
the side. I'm like, I just did this. How in
the heck is this possible? So I took my lazy
butt up there. I should have done this the first time,
right with my ladder. I take my lazy butt up
there and take a look in and some dirt rocks,
basically all kinds of stuff had got compacted down into
(09:14):
the hole. So although I had used my little camera
to look. I didn't see anything protruding. It was down
in there. I had to like basically poke it through
and then clear it out a little bit, almost like
you're clearing out of drain to get it to go through.
And it was fine now. But that was just something
being a knucklehead. If I was just taking the time
to do it right, that wouldn't fact it didn't cause
any damage. But still I would have done it right
the first time. And it just got me thinking when
(09:34):
I did that, and I was kind of kicking myself
for it. I bet you see tons of STFF. Now
that's relatively minor, but I bet you see tons of
stuff with people trying to fix things, add things, you know,
d y I type things that kind of mess up
the thing that you need to come in and fix later.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Uh yeah, I mean I kind of on your your
pole IDEA. There's actually that from my home inspection days,
there used to be there is a device out there
that is a exactly that. It's a it's for the
home inspection industry. It's a it's a camera on a stick.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I taped my cell phone, my old cell phone to
it worked fine. If I would have just taken a
little bit more time with it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, I mean to your point, you checked your gutters
and they were clean, and then they're not. That's I mean, trees,
trees are putting right now, the an acorns falling, so
we're you know, I've seen I've seen plenty of gutters
down spouts and the piping system full of acorns or
I don't know what they're called. I think the hickory
(10:31):
balls of the spiky balls, just all those things. If
they hit the roof, they're going down to the gutter.
It's catching it and then the water flushes it out.
So the really commonplace for a gutter or a gutter
down spout system to get clogged is in the elbows
of the down spouts. That's that's a very commonplace.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I think. We have a caller who's called in this
morning has a question for you this morning, Brett caller,
you are on the air. What's your first name? Hey, Matt,
how you doing? Were you calling in for Brett?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I am Actually I just wanted to give him a
shout out because, oh, a year or so ago, when
he was first on here, I heard about his services.
My mom and Huntington was having some issues with a
front door closing and had two or three different estimates
to do some work to sort that out, and they
were pretty substantial. But I heard Brett called he himself,
(11:23):
came out there, used the lasers, everything else ended up
saving her multiple thousands of dollars. It's still sorted out.
It's been great. I just wanted to say that they
did a great job and took a lot of care.
Customer service was top notch, and you know, I've got
an eighty five year old mother who's very happy, So
I just wanted to say, great work. If you're wondering
(11:46):
about a problem you might have, I would give him
a call and have them come down. So that's all
I just want to say. It's We've been very happy
and thanks to the show and to Brett's it's been
a really good outcome for my mother.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, man, we really appreciate and we got to take
care of her.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Mom's right, Yeah, Matt, I really appreciate that. Did I'm
trying to remember, did we also do a vapor barrier
for your mother?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
You actually did, and it was a lot less expensive
than what she's been quoted.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Quality of work and the care that you took in
coming out and evaluating the problem pretty quickly sorted out
that a couple of things that she's been told were
not correct, and given your background, I trusted you and anyway,
it's it's I appreciate it. Just just pros there and
his wife and the customer service were wonderful.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So well, Matt, No, really really appreciate your words, Matt.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Thank you, Matt. We appreciate that. Thanks a bunch for
calling in this morning. Yeah, we appreciate that. And that's
that's Matt calling in. You can do the same. Hey,
we take testimonials too. There's nothing they're wrong with that
at all. You can give us a call this morning
at three zero four three four five fifty fifty eight.
Three zero four three four five fifty fifty just like
Matt did. It's an AUTOQ, so you'll be put on
to hold right away. You'll be able to hear the show.
But then we'll ask your name when you go in there,
(12:59):
so just be ready for that. If you call in
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five zero zero eight. One of the things I was wondering,
(13:20):
and you do such a great job explaining these things
when you're on the air, and so and I think
this is the Matt's call was a great opening for this.
One of the things that your services can help with.
If somebody is faced with where they know they have
a project ahead of them, they know that they have
a repair, the foundation repair they need to do, or
some other kind of major work that comes in like that.
One of the things you can help do is kind
(13:41):
of calm down a little bit. They're faced with this, what,
to you know a lay person, seems like an insurmountable project,
and you know, suddenly you're getting all of these things.
I got to do this, and I gotta do this,
so what's going to mean for my house? Everything else?
You can really help take the panic down a little
bit and give step by step, this is what we're
going to do. This is how we're going to resolve
your issue.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yes, I mean there's a lot of people out there
that sort of like Matt. Matt kind of alluded to that.
I don't remember the exact situation with the other contractors,
but certainly sometimes things get blown out of proportion and
they're not that big of a deal. A good example
is a couple of days ago, I was at a
house that had a little bit of cracking. The owner stated,
(14:24):
it just developed, it has just recently developed, and it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Was right now.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It is on the one side of a garage, next
on the driveway side of the garage, and she had
another contractor out quoted her installing three helical piers or
three push piers in this case, which are designed to
stabilize a house against settlement. But I set up a
laser level essentially zero changing in the elevation of anything
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that would suggest settlement. When I walked up to the house,
I pretty well knew what it was. It was just
based on the crack pattern. It was pretty obvious to me.
But what had happened in this case is somebody had
impacted the front of this building with a vehicle. She
had just had a roof replaced. She has a younger
son that lives in the house, so I suggested that
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she might want to check her son's venders. But it
was simply an impact and this person was quoted, this
contractor quoted or almost eight thousand dollars to install three
helical peers that would have not addressed the situation at all,
that were not warranted, and we were I just provided
her to the quote, but we were quite a bit
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less expensive, and it was more of just a reinforcement
of the masonry in that corner.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And that's exactly the kind of confidence that you want
to have in the work that's being quoted to you
we're going to have done. And it may not always
be a money saving situation, I mean, but you want
to make sure the work is done correctly, and sometimes
it turns into that because I mean, unfortunately, there's a
couple of different ways you can approach sales. And I
remember the first sales gig that ever had basically being
(16:01):
taught sales by a guy, and he was very good
at his job, and he was right. He said, there's
a couple of different ways that you can approach. When
you're going to talk to someone about the services you
can offer, you can take the fear approach. You can
try to scare them into your services, and that might work. Honestly,
that might work, but it works once you know, and
then over the years what happens is that person figures
out they shouldn't have been so scared, and then they're
not going to call you back. The other way you
(16:21):
can try to do it is being an information based salesperson,
where you tell people and let them make an education decision,
give them the power to do it. Suddenly they're making
their own decisions. They're happy with the work. When they
need to work again, they're going to go to the
person that gave them the information, where they had the
power and an agency to make the right decision, and
not the person to try to scare them into doing something.
And so that's really the right way to do things.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That's very true, and I am certainly the latter. I'm
not a salesperson. That was never in my bones. I
don't like promoting myself in any real way. Your conversation
reminds me of things. Another estimate I went to last
week or so, another contractor had already been in to
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do repairs and they sold in a crawl space. They
sold this this older lady some new footings, posts and
beams to support her her floor system that was sagging,
and they they she was having issues still. After the
work was done, they created a big hump in the
floor and so she she called us to take another look,
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and I don't know what they charged her. They had
she had another quote from another contractor, but none of these,
none of their options were going to actually fix the
problem this. This was a situation where there was no
insulation around the perimeter of the floor and and condensation
was developing uh in the winter months on the floor
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system around the perimeter and it slowly deteriorated the sial
plate and the floor joists. So around the entire perimeter
of this crawl space, the floor joist had deteriorate in
and were crushing, and none of the repair options were
addressing this. So we ended up giving her the quote
to address the damage, but also the other sources, which
were the water issues she was having in the crawl space,
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but both the standing water and the liquid water, so
our in this situation, our price was substantially higher than
what everybody else was, but it was a phase approach
or gave her all the three options that she needed,
and number one being fixed the structure and then fixed
the water issues that cause of that to develop. Whereas
first off, the other individuals weren't able to identify the
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actual culprit for what was causing her problems and then
tried to get her to do something that wasn't even
going to help her. And the second estimate that I
saw was substantial. It was over twenty thousand dollars. And
I don't know what the first person charged. There was
not a big project that they that they did, but
they collected money and it hasn't helped.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh boy, now that's what you want to try to avoid.
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in just a moment. But one of the things I
was going I'm going to ask Brett about is is
the difference in technology. You know, you've been doing this
for a long time, and heck, we've done back in
year when you just started out, we did radio shows
what ten years ago or something I think just about
so you've seen a lot of things coming and going
in this industry. So we'll talk about how things maybe
(19:31):
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zeros er eight. I was interested in talking about some
of the We've touched on this a little bit before,
but I was interested in talking about some of the
technology that's come about, either in products or in evaluations
or something like that. If somebody had had some foundation
work done at some point in the past, like you know,
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twenty years ago, they had some work done, and they
have some experience in their have things come Is there
a technology in services and in materials and things like
that that have changed in the last ten to fifteen
years or something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To some extent, yes, I mean first generation repairs were
typically like for example, for settlement issues, the first generation
repair back in the seventies eighties were concrete underpins, and
what that consisted of is digging down to the foot
or actually undermining the foot and pouring more concrete under
the foundation. And the hope was that you were getting
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deeper down into better, more competent soil. The problem with
that type of repair is you're adding a lot of weight.
Concretes very heavy, so oftentimes it actually exasperbated the problem
and the settlement continued or actually the pace increased. So
concrete underpins are really not a I don't see people
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offering to do those anymore. For settlement issues. It's typically
a helical peer or a push pier. We exclusively install
helical peers because in our region, I just see there's
a lot of push piers that fail, and we do
a lot of repairs on foundations that have already had
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push piers installed and the problem continues. And the reason
for that is push peers are installed by using a
hydraulic ram that is attached to the house and you
use the weight of the house to push the pier down.
The problem with that is is once the push piers
down into soil that is equal to the weight of
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the house, the house starts to lift and at that
point in time, you have a one to one degree
one to one safety factor for the way of the
house to the capacity of the pile. A pushper is
perfect on a house that is heavy and you're able
to push it all the way down to bedrock, but
if you if it stopped short in a shale or something,
they tend to bleed off. So the difference with a
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pushpier to a helical pier is helical pier is spun
into the earth. It's like a big screw, and it's dependent.
Its depth is dependent on the capacity of the installation
equipment used to install it, so it is not relying
on the way to the house. It is spun into
the earth like a screw with a hydraulic drive head
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or a drive tool, and you install that until either
your equipment can no longer push it further or you
decide that that's adequate based on the pressure that's being applied,
and we're able to we're able to calculate a theoretical
capacity of the pile based on how much pressure it
takes to install it. So essentially we have a level
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of confidence of what that pile can hold when it's installed,
and our practices is to install it to refusal, so
essentially install it until our equipment is maxed out and
that gets it well passed where it needs to be
to hold a typical residential structure.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Now, when you just think about the kind of the
point to point that you illustrated there and talking about
to the steps that you take if you're on the
outside listening into something like this, I mean again the
confidence that goes into because these are all major projects.
Generally speaking, these are all major projects, and each.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
One of those is two thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we were talking a little bit
during the break that I know somebody personally in my
family who unfortunately maybe was talked into who are who
was in kind of a struggling situation, who was maybe
talked into a repair that went the wrong direction and
invested a lot of money in a foundation repair that
wasn't the right thing, ended up having to redo it
at a later time, and so the cost of having
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that done twice was substantial. You want to have it
done right the first time and make sure that you
have the right person that's doing that, and just the
confidence that you have in walking through those steps and
illustrating to people exactly what that means and how it's
going to affect them. It should just give the client
a lot more a lot more confidence that they're not
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going to have to go back and redo this type
of thing.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I have seen a lot
of mixed misdiagnosises to kind of exactly to your point.
Where a house is suffering from lateral displacement and it
creates stairstep cracks, say the front wall is bowing in,
it will oftentimes create stairsteps cracks on the back side
of the house, which is oftentimes misdiagnosed for settlement cracks.
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So a contractor comes in and puts helical piers or
push piers on the back side of the house when
the problem was on the other side of the house.
And and I've seen that plenty of times. Somebody will
spend twenty thousand dollars over there and that it wasn't
warranted and and the problem was on the other side
of the house. But kind of back to your your
the evolution of our industry another you know, the push
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the helical peer to me is a great evolution from
the concrete underpin right. We've I've seen recently. This this
new to me, which is is a the intent of
this new system, it's a it's a way to manage
water inside of basement. The way the purpose of the
entire purpose of this new system is to cut cost,
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to lower the cost of the install and I call
it a top of foot or drain, And what it
is is on the endside of the building, the concrete
basement floor is cut about four inches and it's replaced
with a rectangular shaped drain that has is perforated and
it sits on top of the footer, which presumably was
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flat when it was installed, so the drain will have
no pitch. But probably most importantly, by removing that little
bit of concrete, you've eliminated the lateral support for the
bottom of the wall, and that concrete slab is counteracting
the pressure that is being exerted on the foundation by
all the soil that is retaining. So that's that's something
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I don't like about what I'm seeing in our industry.
And again it's it's simply a cost saving method that
a lot of people are using. We do not install
that type of drain system when we when we do
our interior dreams we'll actually take more concrete out, put
the drain down below the floor slab, and replace the
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floor slab when we're complete. But the risk is, and
the reason I won't do it is there is it
is cheaper, and a lot of people will go for
that system, even after I've tried to do my best
to educate them, because it is there is cost savings.
But we won't do it because the first one I
would do, we would that foundation would fail and we'd
have a base wall share and we'd end up with
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a very large problem that needed to be addressed. And
in fact, if you read their warranty documents, they don't
warrant what the risk is. They only want. They're only
warranting water entry. They're only guaranteeing that your basement is
going to be dry. Uh they're not. I mean it
specifically excludes the type of movement or failure that could
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occur as a result of that installation.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Wow, man, there's a lot said. That's exactly. You know,
we have John er Dad on here every Monday, And
obviously planning out your or financial future is a very
complicated thing, and you have to know all the tools
and the nuances that go behind it. I mean, this
is really I mean, it's a completely different industry, but
it's really not different from the fact of the matter
that you need to have the correct plan for your
house and for your situation. It's not a cookie cother situation.
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And people that come in trying to sell you products
and services first before taking a look at at what
it is that you actually need, you're going to get
yourself into a situation where you may not get be
getting the thing that matches up to what you need,
over paying for something that you don't need. And like
we said, the worst possible situation doing a full full
on Like you know, you get a second mortgage out
to take care of a foundation repair, you get it done,
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and then you come to find out later it didn't
fix your problem. That's a major issue for somebody's life.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah yeah, or or it didn't you fix the wrong thing,
or they just didn't get it done right. And that
was another example. I saw last week a house in
Saint Albans was I happened I don't know why I
was in the area, but I happened to see a
house last winter when we had that the big snow
on they had all three or all four sides of
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this house excavated in the middle of the dead, middle
of winter, trying to do a new waterproofing system, and
I was called out last week or the week before
to look at it because she's still suffering water infiltration.
And I don't know if it was I think the
weather was probably a major factor in the fact that
that project wasn't successful, because that's why we don't do
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them that time of year, because you're digging a hole
and it just that's where all the water ends up
in a when we're doing those excavations. So, yeah, it's
very unfortunate to see these, you know, these situations where
people have invested so much money and they're still having
the problems.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That makes sense, That doesn't make sense and something you
would definitely want to uh to casting yourself on. You
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A four seven eight one. Can you waterproof a basement
that already has finished walls and carpet.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yes, that can be done from the exterior. That is
a true waterproofing system. So in a case like in
that case, we would excavate the soil along that along
that wall or whatever walls were needed, all the way
down to the footer. We would clean off the wall
apply We install a commercial grade waterproofing system called Carlisle.
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It consists of a self adhering rubber membrane. So essentially
it's a piece of rubber and a sheet that we
roll out on the on the wall and that gets
installed in a shingle type fashion. Soever you start at
the bottom and the next the next row overhangs the
first row and you carry that all the way up
the wall. And then we install a product call mirror Dry,
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which is a nippled membrane with a filter cloth on
it that goes directly against the wall there. So you've
got a rubber seal, and then you've got a vertical
drainage plane that directs all the water down at the
bottom of that excavation, we'll put a perforated pipe. Before
we put the pipe in, we'll put we'll wrap uh,
we'll put in non woven geotextile fabric to keep all
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the fine soil particles out of our new drainage plane,
and then we backfill that whole thing with gravel. So essentially,
any water that gets near the foundation has a direct
path down to the foot or drain, which is a
perforated pipe. Some people will call it a fringe drain,
but it's a perforated pipe that is then directed out
to the to the opposite side of the building.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
If someone is planning a basement remodel of some kind
and they're wondering about either a water management or a
water proofing system, is it always better to get the
xterior done if you're going to be doing anything. Is
it a situation dependent? For example, like if you're not
doing a full like carpet ceiling type of thing, and
you're just I'll use myself as an example. I'm looking
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right now into I don't want to finish my basement,
but I want to think about putting like a half
bath down there and finish like a little area so
we have a little extra room down there. But I
don't need I'm not going to finish the whole thing now.
I have a current water management system where it whereas
funnels everything to the sump pump and it pumps it out,
and it seems to work okay as far as my
house goes. But if someone's looking to do various stages
of a remodel to their basement, either a partial one
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where they're looking to just add more storage or something
or like a full on you know, man cave or
something along those lines, what is the best solution for them.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
It's very case dependent. You know, your house in Kanal
City is on flat ground, so we don't have a
great option for daylight drains. Basically, the foundation drain runs
downhill to a point where it pops out of the
hillside and the water's just draining via gravity. In situations
like that, we typically end up with an exterior sump
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pump or an interior sump pump. So it's really case dependent.
It depends on really the goals the budget. I mean,
there's a lot of different things to consider. Uh, if
there's been movement of the foundation, that's certainly a big consideration,
because if the if the wall is bowing in, for example,
the there's a lot of pressure on the wall and
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that water is is a is applying pressure, So that's
that's certainly a consideration. We interior foundation drains. I would
never install one with the intent of reducing pressure that's
acting on the wall. I have seen situations where it
appeared the wall relaxed after that system was installed. But
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the I mean essentially an interior drain is you're you're
drilling a hole through the face of the foundation, not
all the way to the outside, but just essentially we're
letting the water out of the block into our new
drainage system. So we're not we're not actually taking the
water from the outside and purposely bringing it in. We're
just managing it once it comes in. So the bottom line,
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long answer to your question, it really is case dependent.
A lot of different factors have to be to be considered.
The situation, the location, budget, a lot of different things.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I think back on some people I've known in my life.
I've known two people, and this was years ago in Michigan,
but I still know two people that made significant investments
in one putting. In one case it was a family room.
In another case it was this elaborate man cave before
man cave was even a thing. A friend of mine
made his own, like Bruce Wayne Chamber with like all
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of his suits and like all kinds of stuff. And anyway,
neither of them, they both of them did in the
basement of their house. Neither of them, I don't think
evaluated just how safe the structure was for that. Anyway,
they both got their basements flooded yea, and it kind
of all the fancy stuff they put in there and
everything else, electronics, carpet and all that stuff got relatively ruined.
Which leads me to another question. That stuff unfortunately happens
(36:56):
not to anything that you take care of. But if
someone knows that they need to get a water management
or waterproofing system done to their basement, and they just
got over a problem so they had to like I e.
Fifteen years ago, I had to go get a pump
and put it down in my basement and suck it
all out into my ba into my alley. To get
literally like a foot and a half of water out
of my basement though was terrible. So if you have that
much water standing in your basement for a while and
(37:17):
you have to suck it out, what do you have
to do first before you can even call you to
have you come in to to start taking a look
at helping water management, because there's some cleanup it's involved here, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Mean, this situation like that, obviously pump the water out.
You're probably gonna want to depending on damage you're I mean,
you'll probably want to discuss that with an insurance agent
or water like a restoration company. But as long as
you know we can get down in there, there's not
much to do. But kind of for people that are
considering that have exposed basements or you know, unfinished basements,
(37:50):
things to look for if you're considering to finish the
basement out before you would just go do that without
maybe taking some additional steps is obviously water standing. But
another very very good thing to look for is a
white powdery substance that might develop on the wall. It's
called efflorescence. Sometimes if the wall has been painted, the
(38:10):
paint will kind of get bubbly and if you touch it,
it kind of gets crunchy. And what that is is
as the water is moving through the wall, it's picking
up salts and minerals. It gets to the inside face
of the foundation and then evaporates and it leaves those
minerals behind. And that's what that powdery substance is. The
problem is, when you know it's evaporating into the house,
(38:31):
it might elevate your humidity in the home slightly. The
problem is is when somebody goes and puts a finished
material up there, now you're trapping that moisture behind the wall,
which could then lead to a mold related issue. So
there are certain that's one thing people can look for,
is that kind of white substance or a kind of
a bubbling paint or a flaky paint of some sort.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's great information. As always with bred Hodgton, the owner
of Foster Foundation Repair. As we wrap up the show
this morning, let me make sure that I get all
of the information out to you so you can get
a hold of a Brett for any future concerns that
you have to worry about. As we heard from Matt
a little bit earlier, Brett could definitely help you out,
make sure you get on the right path, make sure
you're not being sold a bill of goods that you
don't need, and to get the job done correctly. You
can contact Foster Foundation Repair first. You can check the
(39:16):
information Foster Foundation Repair dot com online. That's Foster Foundation
Repair dot Com located here in Charleston, forty two twenty
six Woodroum Lane in Charleston. The phone number three zer
A four seven seven six sixty two sixty three, three
zer A four seven seven six sixty two sixty three.
Once again three zer A four seven seven six sixty
two sixty three Foster Foundation Repair dot Com. Brett, thanks
a lot for your for your insights this week. Great conversation. Yeah,
(39:38):
thank you, sir, well, I appreciate see you back here
next month. Yep, sounds good, sounds great. That's Brett Hodston,
owner of Foster Foundation Repair. Foster Foundation Repair dot Com.
Coming up next, Dave Allen on The Dave Allen Show
five eighty live, follow About talk Line, then midday. I'll
be back this afternoon at three oh six with Dave
Weekly on Hotline. Have a great day. Everyone listening to
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