7 Winning Auction Moves; Plus Guest Brian Drake from Fantasy Points

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Auction Brief. They're to join these games
or not, taking you on a journey through fantasy football,
the law, and life. These all yours today. It depends
on how much you want. And now you're legal analyst

(00:22):
and auction draft expert here to help you dominate your
fantasy drafts.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Your host, Drew Davenport, there.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Are full hearts.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let's go play some football.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hey, everybody, welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
I am your host, Drew Davenport. You're fantasy football lawyer,
and thank you so much for joining me for episode
ten of season four of the Auction Brief. We are
now in it, folks. There's been real football on the TV.
We had the Hall of Fame game, even though it
was canceled at the end. Who was really still watching

(00:57):
at that point? Were you? Were you really still watching
at that point? I wasn't. Let me let you in
on a little secret. I don't listen to a lot
of preseason nonsense. I watch almost zero minutes of preseason
football because I really don't want it messing up all
the months of work I do leading up to those

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somewhat sometimes meaningless games. Does everyone remember Josh Jacobs a
couple of years ago playing into the fourth quarter of
a meaningless preseason game and everyone flipped out like Josh
Jacobs is never going to touch the ball, and then
he had three hundred billion touches and was the ppr
RB three. So anyway, great that football is back. It

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means we're closer to the season and we've got a
just a very limited time left to talk about what
we need to talk about before we're into our auctions
and we're done for the summer. I've had a great
time this summer. I think that we've had a really
nice coher build up from the beginning of the summer,

(02:02):
learning from our past mistakes, learning some more basic concepts.
Coming into the last couple of episodes here, I felt
like we've built our auction mansion and we just got
a couple of things left to do. Next week, we're
gonna do inflection points. That is easily the most confusing, nebulous,
sort of amorphous concept that's just not concrete and tough

(02:25):
to nail down. But we're going to talk about inflection
points next week, and then of course the final episode
is just pulling everything together, trying to hit the highlights
of everything we did all summer into one neat little
package that you can listen to before you go into
your auctions. Everyone loves that episode, and I'm gonna do
it again this summer. But today, what are we gonna do? Well,

(02:47):
we have a first, a little bit of an FF
legal update on Jordan Addison and the Vikings, but we're
going to do my seven winning auction moves this week.
And I started to think think about what we were
going to do today, and I wanted to talk a
little bit about some miscellaneous things, some stuff that's just
kind of been hanging out there that I wanted to

(03:09):
get to but haven't been able to because some of
these things don't really fit into a neat little bucket.
So I'm just pulling together these seven things because when
I started thinking about, well, what do people really need
when they get into an auction room, Well, it's hard
to think about all the stuff, all the hours and
hours of content you're going to have, probably twenty five

(03:29):
to twenty eight hours of auction content you've heard from
me this summer, and so it's hard to remember all
that stuff. But there are some things that are going
on that I want you to be able to just
sort of come back and think of the catchy thing
that you heard in episode ten that's going to help
you in the middle of your auction. And the best
thing about these seven winning auction moves is that there

(03:52):
are things that happen all the time, and there are
some of my personal moves that I use during my auctions. So,
my friends that are listening to this that are in
my home leagues, why don't you go ahead and skip
on to discussions with Drew this week? Don't listen to
any of this stuff. No, I mean, you know, y'all
who are listening to me know most of this stuff

(04:14):
anyway about me. So but hey, I'm really about to
unveil some things that I just don't talk about a
lot to a lot of people. I'm not saying I've
been holding back on advice. It's just that some of
this stuff is just things that I do that I
think work, and they're not necessarily anything that you're going
to be like, oh wow, that's super crazy, that's awesome,

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but you're going to say, Okay, I can see how
that can work. So I'm going to tell you seven
winning auction moves today. I think that's going to be
a lot of fun. And then in discussions with Drew,
I have my buddy Brian Drake. We're going to talk
a little bit about Canton and the King's classic how
to attack bigger leagues, but also some of our favorite
players and some of our favorite guys that were sitting
here saying what are we doing here with these type

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of guys. So that's a fun conversation with Brian. Don't
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listening to that stuff. But what do you say we
get into. We've got an FF legal update, my seven
winning auction moves, and then discussions Withdrew and Brian Drake.

(06:05):
Let's hit it. It is prunch time. Let's jam some
information into our ear holes.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Let's go now, it's time for your legal update.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, the reason we have to do an FF legal
update this week is because some news dropped about Jordan Addison,
the Viking second year wide receiver who was arrested on
allegations of impaired driving. We talked about this a couple
episodes ago. There hasn't been an update since then, but
it dropped this week that charges have been filed against
Jordan Addison and he is facing, like we thought, a

(06:39):
DUI charge, and under the California Code they've charged him
with two violations of the DUI section there in California.
That's not unusual. Don't get hung up on the fact
that he got charged with two different sections. They do
that on purpose, because one of them is saying he
had a prohibited concentration of alcohol in his blood over
point oh eight, which is the legal limit. And then

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they charge them with what I call the garden variety duy,
which is just saying you can't drive impaired. And they
do that on purpose so that if they lose the
breath test somehow because it was done incorrectly or the
test comes back low, they can still make the argument
that the person was impaired with circumstantial evidence. So it's
a very normal type of charge. It's a misdemeanor. I

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don't expect Jordan Addison to spend any time in jail.
But what's notable that came out of the case is
two things. The first is something I talked about the
last time I did the update, and that was I
didn't know whether or not this was going to be
alcohol based or marijuana based or something like that. That's
important stuff to know, and we have got the confirmation.

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I believe that it's going to be alcohol based because
they're saying he was over point zero eight the legal limit,
and that triggers the NFL's policy on substance abuse, and
there is a presumption of a three game suspension if
found guilty of an alcohol related fIF. Now this gets
a little bit tricky because a lot of times in
these situations, players can get cases reduced to something not

(08:07):
alcohol related and then the NFL doesn't have to suspend
them three games. But the language in the policy is
very clear to say, just because you weren't convicted of
an alcohol related defense doesn't mean we can't suspend you
as though you were. So he can still get suspended
three games even if he gets reduced to say, like

(08:28):
a reckless operation or something like that. I'm not saying
that's going to happen, but what I'm saying is three
games is very much on the table, although I will
say that I'm not convinced it's going to be three
when all a said and done. But that was the
first thing that we got was that this is alcohol based,
so we have to start thinking about that three game window.
But then the second thing, which is the most impactful

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of all of this, Yeah, I bury the lead a
little bit his initial appearance on this, and I had
to check this to make sure this is right, because
I saw the reporting on it. I thought, there's no
way this is right. His initial appearance is set for
October seventh. October seventh, So I went, I checked the docket,
and I found the case. It turns out that the

(09:11):
case was filed on July thirty. First, the news broke,
I think on the second or the third, and then
the case isn't set for an arraignment until October seventh. Now,
I know, LA is a big place, and that's something
that we have to consider here. LA is a big place.
They have court running. I think there are courts that
run twenty four hours a day over there because they
have too many cases. That's how it is in New

(09:31):
York City. But what we have to understand here is
that this changes the timeline on the case a lot.
This is a huge development here. Now. A lot of
people are saying, well, maybe they wanted it that way
on purpose, and I'm saying, hey, look that could be
and it could be that there are negotiations going on
behind the scenes that, of course I'm not privy to.
Nobody is. And if that's the case, maybe they come

(09:53):
out with a deal here and he settles the case
and he gets a couple of games. And I'm wrong
on this, but really leaning heavily now towards Jordan Addison
playing all of twenty twenty four because I think Okham's
razor is really at play here. Ockham's razor is just
you know, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one,
rather than trying to explain away, oh, well, the Vikings

(10:16):
they want him to be suspended this year because it's
a rebuilding year, or or Addison doesn't want to get
suspended this year because his salary goes up next year,
or whatever the case. Instead of trying to explain all
that to yourself, what's the simplest explanation is that the
LA courts are busy as hell and they couldn't get
him until October seventh. Because I know where I practice
in Dayton, Ohio. This is not a small town. Dayton's

(10:40):
a pretty big town. And when you get a ticket,
you're usually arraigned within a week to ten days, you know,
two weeks at most. It sures how late, nine weeks.
So that's a big development. And that tells me that
their dockets are clogged, which, as you would expect in LA,
their dockets are clogged. I don't think this thing's moving
very fast. The only way it moves any faster is

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if they get their paperwork in sooner and say, hey,
here's our not guilty plea in our entry of appearance.
For Addison's attorney, you file paperwork and get the case moving.
But if he's not even supposed to be there till
October seventh, I don't think anything's happening before then. And
then they're going to set a pre trial or emotion
hearing or something like that. It's going to be in December.
We're done. Addison's here for the whole twenty twenty four season.

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That's my opinion. I don't see that as a far
fetched opinion or hot take now after we've seen this
arrangement date of ten to seven. So if something changes,
you're certainly gonna know, and you're going to hear it
from me right now. I think you can draft Jordan
Aison as though he's going to be suspended in twenty
twenty five, not twenty twenty four. So I'll keep you
updated on that. That has been this week's Jordan Aison

(11:47):
FF legal update. All right, let's do a little bit
auction talk. We only have three episod is left to
talk auctions. But I think you're gonna really have fun
with this topic today, auction talk. My seven winning auction

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moves are just seven things that I do, and there's
seven things that I see all the time in auction
rooms that are effective. But these are not concepts that
you haven't heard before or concepts that you aren't familiar with.
It's just that these are the ones I found work
the best. So that's why I want to put him
in today's show. And a couple of them you're gonna say, duh,

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But they're important and that's why we're talking about them.
So let's get into my seven winning auction moves. And
the first one is one that I think might surprise
you a little bit. I'm going to call it dropping
your par sheet. Dropping your par sheet, and you're all
recoiling in horror. Oh lord, I thought he really liked

(12:57):
pass sheets. Take Paula, I do. I love par sheets.
This is a very specific situation, but it's something that
does happen and something that I find I do fairly frequently.
I'm not here to tell you to ditch your par sheets.
I love par sheets and I think they're great. For
the first seventy five percent of the draft, but I

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think when you get near the end of the draft,
you need to be working on what's left, and it's
not always about what number you have left on your
par sheet. And one of my favorite moves is something
that we talked about last summer and I called it
dropping the hammer. But I think people tend to get
confused with say I wield the hammer because I have
the most money left. I'm not talking about having the

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most money left, although you're going to have more often
than not, you're going to be near the top of
the pile with that. But that's going to be something
I'm going to talk about here in just a minute.
With getting back to the top of the pile that
I referenced a few episodes ago. This is when I
say dropping the hammer, let's maybe change that up. I
don't know what we can call it, except to maybe
say drop your par sheet and crush the last available player.

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Crush the last best available player. But it's a really
fun tactic and I think it's an effective tactic. Let
me explain it like this. You're only using this move
when you have most of your starting lineup, and let's
say one bench player. We're talking about six bench spots.

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Let's say that you have all of your starting lineup
except one player, and you have one bench person. That
means you still need six players, and that's a lot
of players still, but you have saved money on the
players on your team, and you're looking at your team
and this is a this is a thing that's a
satisfaction with your team kind of comment. Okay, so you're

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looking at your team and you're thinking to yourself, I'm
killing this draft. I'm absolutely slaying this draft. I have
great players. Everything that I've tried to do has worked
fairly well, and I'm going to good situation where I
have some decent amount of money left and I don't
necessarily care about getting a lot more depth because my
team is so good already. That happens a lot. It's

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gonna happen to you if you're listening to me. Hopefully
you're going to go in and you're gonna feel that
way about every auction. But if you start to see
this shaping up, I want you to drop that par
sheet and I want you to go take the best
player left on the board and make them yours. I
don't care how much money it costs. Let's say that
you're getting deep into a draft. You're about seventy five

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percent through. There's still plenty of people with fifty sixty
bucks left, and you're sitting there with approximately that amount
of money left as well. So you have some competition,
but you're sitting in a good spot where you know
that you've got most of your top players. And what
I'm advising you to do means that you're going to

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have almost no bench. Okay, so get comfortable with that idea. Sometimes,
are you gonna work the waiver wire? Are you gonna
work hard during the season? Of course you are. You
can fill in some of those spots on the bench.
I'm not worried about that right now. You already have
one bench player you like, but you need one more
player for your starting lineup. Go crush that last player
on the board. Let's say that Deebo Samuel is still

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there and you're deep into a draft and you know
that you still need quite a few players. But he
comes up and you look at your team and you say, boy,
I have a really good team. I'm feeling great, but
I'm going to take this team over the top I'm
going to make this team a championship team right now
coming out of the draft by just landing Deebo Samuel
and not worrying about it. And the reason I give

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you the specific example of Deebo Samuel is I want
you to remember that price doesn't matter when you're pulling
this move. It does not matter. Let's say you have
fifty five dollars left and you've got six spots or seven.
Let's say you've got seven spots left, and Deebo Samuel
gets up to thirty eight bucks forty six bucks. That's

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a crazy price. That's a silly price. Who cares go
pay that money for Deebo Samuel? Put them on your team,
and then sit back, kick up your feet, and draft
some one dollar players and smile all the way to
the title because I love dropping the hammer when you
have that spot to crush that last player on the board,

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because you're going to get in auctions where you see
there's one or two guys left and then everybody else
is like below, wide receiver thirty six or running back
forty or whatever. You're gonna see, Oh my gosh, there's
nobody left except these two players. Go get those players.
Other people are gonna be conservative. They're gonna say, I
don't want to spend all that for deebo. Anybody spend

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forty six dollars? Who cares? Go get that player. You're
going to win a title off of that move. Okay,
drop the hammer, drop your par sheet, and crush the
last top player on the board. Make him yours, making
yours for any price, and then don't worry about your bench.
Give it a shrug, shrug it off, Go work the

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waiver wire. You've just crushed your auction all right. Number
two in my seven winning auction moves is a boring
one and a quick one. Have some patience. Have some patience,
not just some patients. Have a lot of patients. Practice
patients if you need to. This is one of those
moves that takes zero skill. Now I consider it, I

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guess to be a skill. To be able to control
yourself and to control your bidding and control your emotions
during a draft. I guess that's a skill. But patients
just takes sitting there. It just takes keeping your FWM shut.
I talked about this last week. Sometimes just keep your
damn mouth shut. Patience takes no skill. It just takes willpower,

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and I have seen it time and time and time again.
The people with the patients are the ones who profit
in auction drafts. I'm not here to tell you just
wait till your team's detriment. I'm telling you strike when
you need to strike, and then sit back and wait.
I can't tell you how many times I'm in a
lot of ten team auctions for my home leagues, and

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I can't tell you how many times I jump out
in a We have a couple of leagues that are
three hundred dollars caps and one's two hundred and seventy.
I know that's weird, but I can't tell you how
many times in those drafts that I have spent one
hundred and thirty or one hundred and forty bucks on
my first two players, so almost half my cap on
my first two players. And then I've sat there for

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two hours, sat there, just didn't do anything for two hours. Now,
I'm not saying I wasn't bidding or trying to, you know,
play at my table image which we're going to talk
about in a minute. You know, I'm still involved, I'm
still engaged, but I don't buy a player for two
hours it's there's so many instances of doing this, and
you know what, I watch a lot of players fly

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off the board. I don't care. I've got two elite
players and I'm about to strike when everyone else has
exhausted themselves. You can't get too deep where the player
pool is just gone. But you'll know the spot, and
we're going to talk about it with inflection point. You'll
know the spot. You'll see it coming where the player
pools getting a little bit scarce. It's not there yet,
but it's getting a little bit. And then you jump

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in because you got all this money. Patience in auction
drafts will pay off sometimes. Just keep your damn mouth shut.
Learn patients, Learn that ability to have the willpower over
the need to bid on every player. All right, Number
three in my seven winning auction moves, make a grocery
list when you're sitting in the draft, make a grocery list,

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Cool Drew, What does that mean? Okay? We talked last
week about getting to the top of the pile, and
I say that sometimes I want you to get to
the top of the pile by forcing others to spend
their money, or by the way that you're having your
patience for number two. Get to the top of the
pile with the most money. But even if you're not

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at the very top, just get near the top, or
even with somebody, whatever it takes. But before that happens,
I want you to make your grocery list of players
that are left on board that you either need or want.
And what do I mean by that. There's a lot
of great players left on the board, say fifty or
sixty percent of the way through the draft, but not

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every one of those players is a player that you're
really that interested in. And you know that this is
the time when you want to go through and start saying,
here are the players that I want to land. And
it may be even a little bit deeper, maybe sixty
or seventy percent of the way through, whatever the case
may be. When things start to get a little thin,
you can try to turn this thing into a modified

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snake to your benefit, because you're going to make a
list of players you need or want, and then you're
going to go, Okay, do any of these intersect? First
of all, do I need this guy and want them? Okay,
that's a guy you're going for. And then I want
you to pick two or three players from that list
and say I'm going to land these players, and I
want you to make that grocery list part way through

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this draft. And you know what it's there's never a
time that's too early for the grocery list. But what
I want it to be for you is an advantage
of taking the last talent on the board with your
money from the top of the pile. And this kind
of relates a little bit to number one. But this

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isn't about dropping it on one player. It's about looking
at the board and saying, Okay, we're pretty deep into
this draft. I already have four wide receivers, but Keenan
Allen and Calvin Ridley are still on the board. So
are Mike Williams Lad McConkey. So you're looking at those
guys and saying, Okay, I don't really I'm not that
interested in Williams, I'm not that interested in McConkey. But

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Keenan Allen and Calvin Ridley. I've got four wide receivers.
They're going to be my wide receiver five, okay. So
it would really be dynamic if you land in one
of those players as your wide receiver five. Right, So
make your list. Make your grocery list and say, what
are the guys left. There's there may be forty players
left that are viable fantasy players, but you're probably gonna

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be able to whittle that down to six r eight
guys you really like, right, And you can make this
grocery list part way through the draft, and then you
can also make it again at the end of the
draft for your one dollar players. Have a scratch piece
of paper next to you during the draft and start
going through the players that are on your grocery list.
Who do I want. I'm going to go to the
store and I'm going to pick this stuff out. Assume

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you have the money. Turn it into a modified snake
by getting to the top of the pile and just
pick the two guys you want and then go get them,
or three guys you want and then go get them.
Make your grocery list, make it to the top of
the pile, and then land those last two or three guys.
This isn't a hammer. This isn't an argument from number
one where we're just spending all on one player. This
is a thing where the talent's pretty thin and you're saying, okay,

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which are the most talented players still left on the board.
I'm going to get them all right. Number three is
making your grocery list. Number four and my seven winning
auction moves is land some players you didn't expect to land,
land some players you didn't expect to land. Now, I

(23:58):
know this goes contrary to the idea of an auction. Hey,
I want to go in there and pick my players.
I want to go get the guys that I want
to get. I agree with you. That's what you want
to do for the majority of your draft, and I
totally understand that. But let's remember something that is a
staple of the auction brief. We are gonna be wrong, right,

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We're going to be wrong a lot, right. Don't have
the hubris to think that you're not going to be
wrong and that you're going to be right about all
your calls. I was talking about this with somebody recently.
I'll never forget this Stefan Diggs thing when he was
traded to the Bills and I just had zero percent
Stefan Diggs. He's a good example of somebody that I
want to talk about for this year because forgive another

(24:40):
poker analogy, but if you're on a poker table, and
every time you call somebody you win the pot. You're
not making enough calls. Sometimes you need to call and
be wrong because otherwise your calling range isn't wide enough.
That means people are bluffing you. They're getting away with
things against you. Now, you don't want to turn into
a calling station. You got to pick your spot. It's

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the same thing with bluffs. If you're never getting called
on a bluff, you're not bluffing enough. There are chips
out there in a no limit hold them game that
you need to be picking up with bluffs. Again, you
don't want to be a person that's known as as
being somebody that bluffs all the time or else it
never works. But you got to pick your spots. And
so that's the same thing in an auction draft. If
you're not walking out of an auction draft with one

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or two players that you didn't think you were going
to get, then you're not being tuned in enough to
the value. You have too much faith in your own calls.
And I'm not saying to not have your own calls
or to not be confident about what you're doing. That's
not it at all. You're gonna be wrong sometimes, Okay,
be big enough to admit that and then say, all right,

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there's going to be some guys I land just because
the price was too low and because I bid, Like,
why is this price so low? I've got to be
open to the idea that this player is going to
be productive. You know a guy I just drafted and
I'm in a snake, but I just drafted Austin Eckler.
It's so weird. I've never expect to have Austin Eckler.
But I'm sitting there in the tenth round and I

(26:03):
need an RB three and I'm like, Okay, I guess
I'll take Austin Eckler. Maybe he's done. I don't know,
but in the tenth round, like, who really cares? I
never expected to get him, but the value was too good.
That's the same thing in an auction draft. I want
to talk about Steffan Diggs again, and with this example,
if I'm in a draft and I've got three or
four wide receivers, now I'm not in on Stefan Diggs

(26:24):
this year. That's not a secret, it's not anything earth shattering,
but I think he's just being drafted too high. Now
you could disagree with me, that's fine. I just think
the young guys are too good. The market share is
going to be too high for those two young guys.
They're going to use digs. I think a lot underneath,
just like Matt Harmon said, they're going to use him
for his separation out of the slot in short routes.

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I think PPR value it's going to be fine. I
just think he's too rich. Okay, so that's my reason.
I'm not in on digs. But if I'm in a
draft and I've got three or four wide receivers on
my team and Stefan Diggs, the bidding slows down at
eight or nine bucks because it was too late in
the draft and people don't have any money. Be damn sure,
I'm saying nine or ten. I don't want him for fourteen,

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but I ain't letting him go for nine. I'm just
gonna say nine. And if I end up with Steffan
Dick's okay, weird. I never would have drafted him, however,
he was nine dollars and he was my wide receiver five.
That's how you build championship rosters. Sometimes you're going to
land people you didn't expect to land. You don't always
have to be in on everybody that you land. There's
a player that I can't I can't remember. It's it's

(27:27):
not coming to me right now. But there was a
couple of players that I took last season I never
expected to have, and I drafted him and it worked
out just fine. You know, I never expected to be
all in on Bresee Hall like I was, but he
was just too cheap. He just kept going too cheap
in every auction I was in, and I'm like, this
is crazy, why is this happening. I'm just going to
keep drafting him. Now that worked out. Of course I

(27:48):
could have not worked out. I understand that. But land
some players you didn't expect to land. That's my fourth
auction winning move. Land somebody you didn't expect to land.
And if you don't walk out there landing at least
one or two players that you didn't think you would,
then I don't think you're playing the game hard enough,
and I don't think you're playing the market equity game

(28:09):
as well as you could. Okay, all right. My fifth
winning auction move of my seven moves that I'm talking
about today is called the Silent Sniper. This is not
one that you're unfamiliar with. But I want to explain
it a little bit more in detail. But this is
something that I like to do every once in a while,
and I want to caution you that this is not

(28:30):
something I do a lot, because I think then people
start to know that when you open your mouth after
you haven't said anything for a while, that you want
that player. But a silent sniper is basically this. It's
basically watching two people go back and forth in a
battle to try to get a player. This is a
fairly high priced player. We're not talking about, hey, this
player gets up to nine or ten bucks or whatever,

(28:51):
although it can work there as well. I'm talking about
a little bit more about like some higher price players
twenty five to thirty bucks or up from there. But
you watch two people compete for a player, back and forth,
back and forth. Everyone else is dropped out. It's just
these two players. But you know you want the guy
that's on the block right now. Let them go, let
them have their bids. And I got an interesting message

(29:12):
this week, and I appreciate the message from the draft auctioneer.
I'm terrible with names. Matt. I believe I see him
every year in Canton. I love hanging out with him,
love talking to him. I'm terrible with names. I could
pick him out of a crowd, but I'm terrible with names.
I think it's Matt. But anyway, if I get that wrong,
so sorry, I'll see you in a couple of days
and I'll buy you a beer for being an idiot.

(29:34):
But he's an actual auctioneer in real life, So what
he said was something interesting and I wholeheartedly agree with it.
It's not something I talked about on my Bidding Strategies episode,
but it is something I want you guys to think about.
He says that generally the best deals, or generally the
best prices that people are going to see are from

(29:55):
you just staying out of the bidding and not contributing
to the inflation of the price, essentially just saying the
more bids, the higher the price. So this is good
insight from an actual auctioneer who's watched this a lot.
You know, he's telling me that it's a savvy move
to not open your mouth when two other people are bidding.
And then he followed that up by saying something which
I think is absolutely a home run idea, that is

(30:20):
that when you sit there and wait and two people
go back and forth and then you jump in at
the last minute with a bid or two, it's completely
deflating to that person. It's completely deflating. So you get
all the way to the end they think they've beat
the other person, which they have, and then before the
timer runs out, you say your bid and it's like, oh,

(30:40):
I just went through all that, and now somebody else
is in the bidding. Oftentimes you'll win that player with
one or two bids because they're just exhausted. They don't
want to go through it again. And that may not
even be a conscious thought. They may not think I
don't want to bid anymore. They're just over it. They're like,
I I got this far and I didn't really want to
pay that much. I'm over and I'm done, you know,
to be kind of an emotional like tap out and

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then you win the player. So the silent sniper is
not something I use very long. I use it maybe
once or twice every draft. But it's a nice weapon
when you use it, and that's why it's that's why
it's effective. So I do agree more bids equal a
higher cost. So that goes back to Number two, Have
some patience sometimes, keep your mouth shut. When two people
are going at a player, they're not even thinking about you.

(31:23):
They're not thinking about you. I promise they're not thinking
about you, whether you're going to jump in or not.
So don't say a damn word and then get to
the end and put that bid out there and hope
that your sniper bid gets the player with one or
two bids. This is the tactic I love, and a
tactic that I think works, and that's backed up by
real life auction experience from our auction buddy that I

(31:44):
get to see in Canton in a couple days. That
is number five, the silent sniper move, all right. Number
six of my seven winning auction moves is pay attention
to your table image. Your table image. Again, it's a
poker analogy. I'm sorry, I keep going back to the well,
but it just works so well. Oh that was dumb.

(32:04):
Pay attention to your table image. And what do I
mean by that? I want you to be the nicest
guy in the room. I want you to be the
nicest guy in the room, the happiest guy, the jokingest guy,
the guy that's just having a blast being at the draft.
Let me say something that shouldn't be acting. I mean,
draft day is one of my favorite days of the year.
So I'm not here trying to tell you to be
fake nice. Okay, so all my guys in my league

(32:27):
are listening like Drew's faking all these years. He's been
faking for twenty four years. No, no, I'm not saying that.
Don't be fake nice. You know you're happy to be there, right.
You don't have to walk in there with a scowl
on your face like Ivan Drago You vill lose. I
don't think that was very good Russian? Was it? You

(32:47):
vill lose? That was much better. He had some important stuff.
We're gonna nail down the Ivandrago or else we can't
move on. But no, be the happiest person there, make jokes,
gregarious and outgoing, talkative. People will like you. When people
like you, they don't want to go up against you.
You know, if you're a good auction drafter, people will

(33:08):
know that in your room, they're gonna try to play
back at you. I used to be on full tilt
Poker and some of the pros would have to come
on there and play a certain number of hours so
you could the regular people will get to see the
pros at the tables. And every time I, you know,
would run into one of the pros. Yeah, I want
to play a pot with them. I want to try
to knock them out. You want a T shirt if
you knock him out? Like whatever. But people play at me.

(33:30):
You know, they know I'm an auction guy. They play
at me during the auctions. That's fine, But I'm here
to tell you that humanity works sometimes. You know, when
I'm sitting at a poker table, if everyone hates me,
they're gonna try to take my chips, right. I want
them to like me. Now. You know, I'm notorious for
running my mouth when I get knocked out by a
bad play. I have a problem with that, working on it.

(33:53):
I was sitting at the table the other night and
I got a pair of kings. This guy has a
pair of eights. He raises, I shove. He calls with
his ates, we're gonna have to one favorite. And here
I am telling you the story about how he beat me.
When I stood up, I looked at the guy next
to me and I was like, yeah, I'm supposed to
be shoving those eights out there, right, Yeah, Look at
the guy next to me. I'm like, I was just
terrible play. That was a terrible play. Now I know

(34:14):
the guy can hear me. Now, I'm not doing myself
any favors there. If I play that guy again, he's
not gonna like me. He's gonna want to take my chips.
That's a dumb move on my part. You know, people
will say to me, oh, well, don't teach him, don't
tell him he made a bad play. I'm sorry, but no,
nobody that makes a play like that calling off all
their money with a pair of eights. Nobody that makes
that play is going to learn anything from me telling

(34:35):
them that they did it wrong. Okay, they don't learn,
they don't learn. Okay, but no, the real persuasive reason
not to do that is you don't want people to
dislike you because they won't play. They will come play
at you if they don't like you. You know, a
lot of times when I'm sitting at the table and
I hit a big hand, people will be like, oh,
nice hand or this or that, or I'll just be like, wow,
what a lucky card. Yeah, I can't believe that lucky

(34:58):
I got lucky me. You know, it sound like an idiot.
But I'll be like, Wow, lucky lucky card man, whoa
that was bighh wow. But for the grace of God,
I wouldn't have won that pot. That's the aw shucks performance.
But they just think I'm an easy going guy. That's
you know, that's relaxed, that's raking a pot like oh wow,
hit a flustraw. You want them to like you. And

(35:19):
I'll tell you what, you're gonna be in drafts where
you're gonna see the same people over and over again.
If you're a jerk. If you're constantly being a jerk,
they're gonna play back at you. They're gonna want to
take your money, be happy, be the person in the
room that everyone likes. And sometimes the humanity of the
moment's gonna save you. And I tell you what, sometimes
people are gonna think like, oh, well, you know, I'm

(35:41):
still gonna play it this guy anyway. The problem is
a lot of times people say, oh, well, you're being
a pushover, and people are just gonna think you're a
pushover and they're gonna try to push you around. No,
I don't think that's true, because you know you have
it in you to be a jerk right, I mean right,
you can stop being nice at any time. You want
being nice as a choice, and you're being nice in

(36:02):
the room, You're being fun, You're being somebody that everyone
enjoys being around. And again I'm not saying to fake this.
I'm saying, be a nice person. Okay, but it's gonna
pay off. And then if people want to be jerks
and they want to play at you, okay, you can
turn on jerk mode. You can go into your shell,
you can go into killer mode. You can start saying, okay,
how am I gonna stick these people? And my favorite part,

(36:22):
my absolute favorite part of this one when you stick
them with a player, or when you stack them on
the table, and then you can just go on being happy. Hey,
you don't bother me. I just stuck you. You just got
a player you didn't want because you wanted to bid
me up because you thought I was nice and I
was easy going and I'm having a good time and
I'm making jokes in the middle of my beds. Sorry, bro,
you can't play back at me. If you think you're

(36:43):
gonna push me over, if you think I'm gonna be
a pushover, you can't have it. Both ways that you
think I'm a good auction player, so you want to
play at me, and then you don't think I'm gonna
stick you. You have that evil side, you have that side
you can pull out, but for the most part, you
don't want to pull it out because it serves you
better to be the guy that everybody likes. All right,
that's number six. My final winning auction move. My seventh

(37:06):
winning auction move is one that you've heard me talk
about before, but one I think is essential to pay
attention to, and that is grabbing your sitting down bonus.
We will hit the sitting down bonus next week briefly
when I talk about inflection points, but it's so important
I wanted to put it in here. I've had people
ask me about before. Hey have you noticed, Yeah, you
have noticed, And I don't talk about it all the

(37:28):
time because I feel like y'all have heard it before.
But it has to go in the top seven winning
auction moves. What is the sitting down bonus? Well, I
pulled the name from an episode of Friends. It was
just a dumb episode of Friends where Chandler made up
a card game because he wanted to give Joey money
and help him out with his bills, and Joey was
too proud to take the money. So they're playing a

(37:51):
made up card game and Chandler says, oh my gosh,
you got the sitting down bonus. I'm going to double
your money. But I tell you what, there is a
sitting down bonus. In auction drafts. There will be a
moment at the beginning of the draft where people will
be nervous, they'll be timid, they'll be scared, they'll be anxious,
they won't be paying attention, whatever the case may be.

(38:11):
There's a myriad of reasons why people will sit down
in an auction draft and not spend money right out
of the gate. It's a weird thing. It may only
happen for one or two players. Sometimes it can even
happen for three or four or five. The room can
stay cold, the room can have trouble warming up. If
you don't have players or managers in your room that

(38:33):
are big auction drafters and know what they're doing and
recognize what's happening, that room could stay cold and you
can end up landing some deals. Somebody calls out Tyreek
Hill and people are just excited about having two hundred dollars.
They don't want to spend fifty five or sixty dollars
on Tyreek Hill right away. Ah, there's too many players left. Ceedee,
Lambs still available, justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, They're all still available.

(38:56):
All of a sudden, you own Tyreek Hill for forty
nine bucks. Now, not huge bargain, but I can guarant
damnt that Lamb, Jefferson, and Chase are going for more
than forty nine. Early on in a draft, people aren't
sure about what the market's going to be, and they
aren't sure about spending a significant portion of their cap.
But guess what, you have a par sheet in front

(39:17):
of you, don't you, and you know that you can
afford to spend a certain amount of money. So call
out those players early. If you're in the top half
of round one, I want you to try to get
a sitting down bonus by calling out a player that
maybe isn't the number one player, but maybe a second, third, fourth,
maybe top of the second tier, something like that. Try
to get your sitting down bonus and land somebody much

(39:40):
cheaper than you'll be able to land them in another
ten picks. That's my favorite part of knowing auctions is
that you can stack all these little tiny advantages one
on top of the other. You've heard my seven winning
auction moves today. Not every one of those is going
to work all the time, but a couple of them
are going to work, maybe even more than a couple

(40:01):
of them. And if you get a couple of deals
along the way because you remembered to make your grocery list,
to have some patience, to drop your par sheet late
in the draft, to land somebody who didn't expect, to
use the silent sniper move, to be a happy, fun
person to be around, so that people don't want to
play against you, to get your sitting down bonus. If

(40:23):
you use a couple of these things to land a
couple players at a couple dollars discount, you have increased
your positive expected value. You have made your auction draft
that much better by stacking some of these moves we
talked about today. I love the seven winning auction moves,
and I hope that you love them too. That is

(40:44):
going to do it for me and the auction talk today.
What do you say we move on and talk to
Brian Drake because it is Expo week, and I think
you're going to have a lot of fun listening to
Brian and I just have a conversation about some players
we like and don't and we're going to do a
little segment called so what are we doing here? That
I think you're gonna love as well. Let's move on

(41:04):
to this week's Discussions with Drew.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Time for Discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
brightest minds in the fantasy industry.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew. Our guest for
this week is one of my favorite guests that we
have the entire summer. I look forward to this episode,
and I gather from the reactions every year that all
of you look forward to it too. So we're gonna
have a little fun today with my buddy, my best friend,
Brian Drake. And I tell you what Brian is. Every

(41:39):
time I look around, Brian is leveling up man. He's
got a Fantasy Points podcast over there with John Hanson.
He's got a show on Sirius XM called The Fantasy
Football Morning, also sponsored by Fantasy Points. And I tell
you what, last year, this guy wins Article of the
Year for the Fantasy Sports Writers association leveling up all

(42:01):
over the place. Man, great to have you on the show.
How you've been.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm great, thanks for having me back. I love the
auction brief. The information you give out here is really
second to none. I enjoy the guests, but really, I'll
be honest, I tune in for just the early ramblings
of Drew Davenport, you know, the poker stuff. You kind
of lose me a little bit there. I'm not gonna lie,
but I love when you start going off on you know,

(42:25):
just auction theory and you know how to attack things
and your par sheets, and that's to me my favorite part,
because you can never be too prepared for auction leagues
or just deep league drafts, which I think a lot
of what you do here applies to and what we're
going to do today.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, man, And you know, I know this is a
different spot for you because you're always the one leading
the discussion. You're a fantastic host, and let me do
a little bit of a heavy lifting today and you
can just talk about your fantasy knowledge. Because one of
the things I love about Brian and the reason that
I think we were originally clicked as friends, you know,

(43:06):
he has a way of cutting through all the garbage.
There's something to be said for me. And you have
a ton of fantasy experience, and there's some people that
are giving out fantasy advice that haven't played fantasy football
very long. And you can kind of tell sometimes, but
you've been playing forever. I've been playing forever. I think
maybe that's why we click yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
And I appreciate that. I like sitting in this number
two chair. I guess it is the analyst because I
can sit here in my red bull and just enjoy
spouting information. But you made a great point, and there's
so many folks on social media, maybe it's Twitter, TikTok, Instagram,
wherever people are finding their fantasy football information. And let's

(43:48):
be honest, a lot of it is from kids. And
some of the kids are good and they've got really
good information. And some of them you can tell had
literally watched football for five years because they're twenty years old.
So like their frame of reference goes back to like
Tom Brady as a buccaneer, Like that's kind of where
their football experience starts to stop. So everybody who currently

(44:09):
plays in the NFL is the greatest of all time.
At their position, and they have no frame of reference
for anybody who played in the two thousands or the
nineties or the eighties. So you know, us old guys,
we've got to stick together out there and keep bringing
this information to the masses.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, And one of the things I was talking about
is stats are nice, they're fun. Some of them are
even predictive, and they can tell us kind of context
about what's going on. But you have to mix that
stuff with common sense, and that is where some people
are lacking. And I think people are going to like
our second topic today. We're going to get into this

(44:47):
in a little bit. Whenever Drake and I are on
the phone, we sometimes come to the conclusion what are
we doing here? And it doesn't even have to be
about fantasy football. It's about life, it's about whatever. Sometimes
are just like, gosh, what are we doing here? You know,
this isn't that hard, and yet sometimes people make it hard.
So we're going to talk about that in our second segment,

(45:08):
which I think is going to be really fun. What
are we doing here? Sometimes we make fantasy football too difficult.
Sometimes you just got to step back and take the
thirty thousand foot view and you know, here we are
at the beginning of August. A lot of us have
been doing this. I mean, if you're listening to the show,
you're probably fairly hardcore. You've been doing this a couple months.
So you get to that point where over analysis can

(45:29):
lead to paralysis. That is what our buddy Drake is
here to cut through and hopefully me a little bit
as well. But hey, let's get into the first topic
today that is more pressing, and that is can't ohio right,
it's back baby a couple of days. Now. You're abandoning
me on Thursday, but you're coming in on Friday, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Unfortunately, I have to work. I have a new job,
So I'll do the morning show on Sirius Thursday morning
or Friday. What day is it, Yeah, Thursday morning. Then
I have to work all day Thursday, so I can't
drive out there on Thursday. But I'll get up bright
and early on Friday and get my butt out there
to start partaking in the drinking of I pas and
making fun of people, and you know, just meeting everybody

(46:15):
who's there, because that's what the expo.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Is really all about.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's a blast getting to meet and see all these
people that you meet on the internet. Is so much fun.
And you know, if you're just a casual fan out
there and you're thinking, hey, I live in driving distance
of Canton, Ohio. This seems like a good time. Trust me,
it is to hop in your car, bring a buddy,
and come hang out. It's just a couple of nights
of really just booze fests where you can just freely

(46:41):
walk around, go up, talk to people. Imagine it's just
a giant frat party with dorks from the internet that
talk about fake football. That's what the expo is. Okay,
it's the fraternity party for guys who couldn't get in fraternities.
So you know, go get and enjoy yourself. I wasn't
a fraternity. I don't know why they let me come
to the x bo.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
You're overqualified, man, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
You do to me. I'm the consultant they bring in
from the outside. They're like, all right, how do we
do this here? How do we get the girls to
show up?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I can't help you there, buddy, Yeah, I can't help
you with that either.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
And then I come in here.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah. It reminds me of that meme and the guy
standing in the corner. They don't know. I'm a fantasy
football analyst part time. Everybody. I know that's hot. The
ladies love it. But we are actually conducting some business
while we're in Canton. We have the King's Classic drafts,
so I thought this would be a fun thing to do,

(47:38):
not only because I know that people enjoy hearing about
what happens in these rooms, but people also like to
have a little bit of a different focus because so
much of our content that we put out there is
for the right up the middle twelve team PPR sixteen
roster spots. Everything's sort of right up the middle and

(47:58):
geared towards that. But I do get requests quite a
bit to expand things, talk about super flex, talk about
deeper leagues, that kind of thing. So let's do that.
Not necessarily the superflex today, because I'm going to hit
that next week, but I want to talk about deeper
leagues because this King's Classic is probably the deepest league
I've ever played in. And if you don't know the format,

(48:21):
the way it works is a couple of years ago,
Bob cut out kickers and defenses and slid in flexes
in their place, which exploded the market, and I tell
the story every summer, but a couple of years ago
when that happened, I came out of the draft just
despond it about my team. And this is in twenty twenty,

(48:44):
because I didn't realize the effect the price was going
to have from the changes, but everyone felt that way.
I ended up doing fine that year, but everyone felt
that way. And it's a unique pressure because there's fourteen
teams and on time of that, we're starting ten position players.
There's no kicker, no d You're starting three flexes along

(49:06):
with three wide receivers. You can end up starting up
to six wide receivers. So the pass catchers, of course,
I know that that's in vogue right now to be
chasing them. It amplifies in this type of a league.
What have been some things that you've noticed about this
deep league approach that you have to just change things up,
or what's been your attitude that's worked in this kind

(49:28):
of a league. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
So I've had some pretty good success in the King's Classic,
in the Snake Division, the Snake Draft of the Brown
Division the last two years. I finished well. Two years
ago in the Blanda, I lost in the finals literally
on the last drive of the last game of the season.
This past year, I had a top four team. I

(49:50):
think I finished as maybe the number one overall seed
in the regular season, ended up losing on some freak
stuff in the semi finals, and of course what would happen.
I'm the highest scoring team in the finals, but I'm
in the third place game. Of course, But woe is me?
When you're playing in a deep league, Drew and everybody
out there listening, who can set you apart?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I went last year and I took Jalen Hurts. I
believe this was a third fourth round something like that.
I wanted to have a difference maker at the quarterback
position because I knew in a league like this, everybody
was gonna wait, they were going to take, you know,
the lowest guy, Like how long can I wait to
get the you know, Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott or
you know this year's Jordan Love and those kind of guys.

(50:35):
And that's fine, But I wanted a dual threat quarterback
who I thought could win me a week. And Jalen
Hurts did you know he was very good last year?
He maybe wasn't hidting payoff to what we wanted him
to when we when we draft him the third fourth round.
But again, if you get a guy that rushes for
double digit touchdowns, I doubt it's gonna be you know,
fifteen eighteen again this year. But you know, having a

(50:57):
guy like that is a difference maker. Josh Allen is
difference maker in a league like this. I think Anthony
Richardson in twenty twenty four is going to be a
difference maker because of what he can do. And again
it's knowing you're scoring. But a running quarterback in a
deep league, I think is a difference maker. Something else
that's a difference maker, Drew, I think is making sure
you have really good depth at a position like tight end.

(51:20):
I've won a lot of games because I have good
tight ends, and then I have tight end depth. I
want to walk out of this deep league with like
three tight ends, two of which I can play because
I'll flex tight ends. Once these buys start hitting and
teams have injuries, you're gonna want some tight ends that
can go in your lineup. Like yeah, it's great to
sit here and say, Okay, I'm gonna take a shot

(51:42):
on this eighteenth round running back and maybe he'll come through.
But let's say early in the draft you take a
Trey McBride and then you come back a few rounds
later with Dallas Goddard. Now you've got two guys who
every single week can give you tight end one numbers.
And you know, Dallas Goddard as a flex in a

(52:02):
fourteen team league is probably gonna score you more points
on average than if you're like, oh my god, I
gotta start Kamanie Vidal this week because I got nobody
else left. So that's kind of you know where I
stand with these deep leagues, and you'll keep firing shots
at some of these wide receivers in a PPR like
I kind of become the slot machine. Guys like Wandel

(52:22):
Robinson this year I think is being massively overrated or overlooked.
I should say Wandell Robinson's gonna start for the Giants,
and he's gonna play in the slot. This is a
team that has a horrible offensive line, Drew. They can't
if you're watching anything from preseason camp, they can't get
out of the way on Dania Jones's way. So it's
Danda Jones is gonna be taking literally catching the ball,

(52:44):
take two steps he's gonna be throwing it down the
field and everyone loves my league neighbors. Okay, no question
about it. He's impactful. Wandell Robinson is a guy nobody
wants to draft who's gonna catch eighty five balls this
year for the New York Giants if he could stay healthy,
and you can get him for nothing at the end
of your draft. So those kind of guys in a
PPR are going to be every single week starters. And

(53:04):
while people are searching the waiver wire for any help
they can get, you're sitting there with wan Dell that
you've got in the seventeenth round and now he's, you know,
in every week flex for it.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Well, I'm very fond of saying that m Kwan Treadwell
won me two titles a couple of years ago. When
he was catching. He was literally putting up ten points
a game every single game. If I needed eighteen, he
was going to get me ten. But if I needed six,
he was going to get me ten. But it was

(53:34):
great that consistency was important. And that's something that you
mentioned that I wanted to hit on that you talked
about taking hurts and knowing that production that you could
have every week not only could win you a week,
but you knew you could count on that for the
most part. And that's something that I discovered a couple
of years ago. Now, I had a couple bad injuries,

(53:54):
like a couple bad injury weeks where I lost a
couple guys per week, But I realized that when you
don't have the backbone of your team properly set up
in these deeper leads, your bad weeks are bad. They
crater and everybody fights that issue. But if you have

(54:15):
some consistent producers like you were talking about, you maybe
go for one of those higher level quarterbacks, or you
end up going for a higher level tight end that
provides some production that not everyone in that league is
counting on every week. They just don't have that set
up because they are doing the thing where they try
to wait. They played chicken. You know, my buddy Mike
and I talk about this all the time. We were

(54:37):
laughing about a guy we were in a mock draft
one time and the guy was getting near the end
of the draft and he made a joke about, oh
my gosh, I almost forgot to draft a quarterback, Like
he really thought it was a badge of courage like
that he had played chicken with the late round quarterbacks
and they almost forgot to draft one. We laugh about
that to this day because it's almost like something like

(54:59):
this zero RB trend now where it's like how cool
can I be waiting on a running back? And it
used to be that way about quarterbacks. But I tell
you what, that's a personality of an analyst league, like
we're in and you have to and I'm not saying, hey,
you're going to be in an analyst league if you're
listening to the show, but number one, if you are,

(55:21):
you have to remember there's a league personality to analysts too.
But in your home leagues, figure out what that personality
is and know that going in, like is this maybe
it's the opposite in the home league where I know
these people are going to overpay for quarterbacks so I
can slam my money into receiver. That's where I'm going
to find my difference. But it's a great point about
you know, two things that I wanted to highlight from

(55:42):
what you said. The consistency angle of grabbing a guy
like Hurtz gives you that floor that you need in
this kind of a format. So deeper leagues. I always say, like,
spread your money out a little bit more when you're
in an auction, and that's true, but at the same time,
you got to have one or two guys that you
know are going to be a backbone that are going

(56:03):
to give you that for every week. And then the
second thing, you know, learn your league personality. And you've
done a great job of that highlighting the quarterback tight
end tendencies. They're going to play chicken again this year,
I'm certain of it. So finding those flexes is so important.
You know, what do we do when we've got these
short benches too? I mean, that's a problem. We're starting

(56:24):
ten guys, we've only got six on our bench. It's
really hard to go deep and say, oh, I'm going
to draft a backup quarterback or whatever the case may be.
How have you handled the short benches in the Kings Classic, Well.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It goes back to you look at those three flex spots.
They're starters, and you could say, wow, they're kind of
also bench spots. That might not make sense to people
out there, like wait, how can you be a starter
and a bench player. But if you're looking at guys
this year who could probably be starters. In a flex league,
you're looking at the Curtis Samuels of the world. Like

(56:57):
I just mentioned Wandale Robinson. A guy for me last
year was Jacoby Myers. In a normal league, your twelve
team league during the year with your buddies, Jacoby Myers
would have been probably on your bench. Jacoby Myers started
me for me every single week last year, and he
was a really good player. I think he ended up
finishing jeez, I I could pull it up here. He
finished twenty fifth in points per game in a PPR.

(57:18):
But guys like Myers, guys like Adam Feelen, guys like
you scroll down a little farther Josh Palmer, who I
like a lot this year, those are the guys who
you've got to hit on. You've got to have productive
players in your flex so that you know at the
bench spots you're not like, you know, just desperate, like

(57:39):
every week cycling through a guy. I don't want to
have my bench be just guys who can never play either.
Playable depth is a term that I've used over and
over again. So I want my depth players to be
guys I can plug in the lineup any week, now,
do I want to take a home run swing on
you know we mentioned Kamani Vidal or maybe you know

(58:00):
Kenny Gainwell, you're hoping that Saquon Barkley gets hurt something
like that. You know that's fine, but push comes to
shoved during bye weeks in a really deep league, you're
gonna be dropping those guys. So I want guys that
are going to play. I don't mind carrying a backup
quarterback either. Last year I made the mistake I had
Hurts and Brock Purdy was on the waiver wire. I
stared at him for a week or two, just look

(58:22):
at like, God, I should pick him up. But I
didn't want to drop these flyer running backs that I had.
I should have picked up Rock Party to have him,
you know, for the inevitable. Oh, we got to miss
a game or two of Jalen Hurts. So I'm fine
with having a really nice backup quarterback. Now I'm not
gonna have like Russell Wilson as my backup. I'd rather

(58:42):
just throw him to the waiver wire. But once buys
an injury, start, try finding a quarterback in a fourteen
team league on the bench, Like you're better off to
just sit there and eat the roster spot with Brock Purdy, who,
by the way, is an incredible high end backup that
you can get in any league. I mean, he should
be starting to be honest, in most twelve team leagues,

(59:02):
but you're gonna get him as a backup, I think
in probably half the leagues you draft the summer.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Absolutely, that's what I've been seeing, and especially in auctions.
A few bucks that's all it takes to get him.
I like the way that you broke that down because
the short benches are such an interesting thought exercise, because
you really have to decide what is the most important,
and so often people choose that upside, and I think
we're I'm going to flip that on its head here

(59:29):
in the third segment because I want to talk about
some guys that you absolutelystely should be adding at cheaper
wide receiver four wide receiver price five prices because of
their upside. But in this format, you know, we're talking
about deeper leagues with shorter benches, that kind of thing.
I know plenty of you out there playing those type
of leagues. You really have to guard those roster spots

(59:51):
and guard him well, because, like you said, if you
let a backup quarterback get out there on the wire.
That's worth something. Because you're holding on to Ray Davis
hoping for Week twelve magic. Then somebody's going to snap
them up. And productive players are productions production in a
league like that. And one of the things that I

(01:00:12):
leaned into last year, and this is something that I
think follows along exactly with what you're saying. I leaned
into the idea that there were players out there that
these analysts were turning their nose up at because their
prospects were not what they necessarily wanted them to be.
But these players were going to touch the ball a lot. Now,

(01:00:32):
a couple of these guys worked out, a couple didn't.
I got Isaiah Pacheco pretty cheap, and I got Travis
Etn pretty cheap. Both of those guys I knew were
going to touch the ball a lot, but people were
down on them because of whatever reason. Pacheco doesn't score
catch passes, Etn's got bigsby looking over his shoulder. Now,
on the other side of the coin, I also took

(01:00:54):
aj Dillon and Marquez Valdez scaling. So it didn't work
out in every instant, but those guaranteed touches. Like you said,
they become so much more important in this deep kind
of format.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, look at a guy like DeMarcus Robinson and what
he did last year down the stretch again, is then
even gonna win their league? Because if they have DeMarcus
Robinson on their their roster, I don't know, probably not.
He's not the sexiest name out there, but you know
what he starts for the Rams. He's gonna be their
third receiver all year long. He's gonna get you ten
points a week in a PPR if he scores, maybe

(01:01:30):
even more. You know who knows about Cooper Cup. We'll
talk about him a little later, but that's Those are
the guys I love, rondel Moore, Greg Dortsch this year.
Some of these little PPR machines that are not sexy
at all, maybe Khalil Shakir and Buffalo breaks out a
little bit. Uh, those are the guys that are gonna win,
you know, you every single week. It's about stacking wins.

(01:01:51):
It's not about having the sexiest team. It's not about
leaving the draft and everybody goes, oh, look at all
the upside guys that he has. He's got, you know,
Kean Coleman on it team and all that. Great. You
can have Keyan Coleman. I'll take Curtis Samuel and Khalil
Shakir you know, a couple of rounds later and they're
going to outscore him by fifty points this year. So
you know, just get guys who are going to touch

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the football. You said it very well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah, you get guys that are going to touch the football,
and sometimes you think you know what's going to happen
with their touches and you're and you're wrong. So just
bet on the volume. And that's what happened with Pacheco
last year. He caught more passes than we thought and
same thing with Etn he scored more touchdowns and did
more than we thought they were going to do. We

(01:02:34):
don't always know exactly what they're going to do. Just
get the guys who are going to touch the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
We don't have access to the results. And in fantasy
football we always get this mistake of like we know
what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Okay, we're playing a game where we're essentially betting on
what an offensive coordinator is going to call and how
that's going to be executed. Fantasy doesn't need to be
that hard. Stick to good play callers, good quarter good schemes.
That's it. That's all fantasy football is. Don't draft a
bunch of guys on the Raiders. Raiders stink, Okay, Don't
draft guys with Donkey offensive coordinators. You know, like they're

(01:03:11):
not gonna you know, sustain drives. You know, find guys
that play in good pace. Do they have a good
offensive line. Like, it's not brain surgery here, folks. Like
if you leave your draft and you're looking around, you're like, yeah,
I got a lot of guys on Seattle and you know, uh,
I don't know Minnesota this year, Like got teams that
aren't gonna be that great. You're like, oh, man, I
think this team's gonna suck. And then you find the
guys who just ho hum through the draft. Oh I

(01:03:33):
got guys on Philly, I got guys in San Francisco.
I got a couple of Packers, Like, oh, surprise, surprise,
your team's good because they sustain drives and they score
points with good quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, sometimes it doesn't have to be that hard. And
actually that's a great transition into our second topic today
because you, and I find that we are baffled by people,
not just in everyday life, but in fantasy football and
h in particular, just about the way sometimes people go
about things. They pick things apart far too much, and

(01:04:04):
I like to say they pick it clean. They just
they look at every single stat that a player has
and then they come to this conclusion that isn't necessarily
based in reality, and it leads to wonky results or
wonky advice. And we kind of always sort of roll
our eyes at that kind of stuff because it's just
funny that that sounds really good in August, but when

(01:04:26):
you're trying to get a guy to start in your
line about October, that stuff doesn't mean a whole lot.
And it's really, I think, doing a disservice to people
who need that advice about what to do. If we're
burying our head in some of those statistics that don't
necessarily lead to wins and aren't necessarily predictive, so we
find ourselves throwing up our hands a lot and go like,

(01:04:49):
what are we doing here? You know what? Come on, like,
what are we doing here? And I can hear you
saying it right now, So let's that's that's what we're
gonna call Segment tumber two. All Right, we're just gonna
say what the heck are we do here? And I
want to lead off by talking about the Jacksonville pass catchers.
And I don't think what we need to, like I said,
pick it too clean, But I find it interesting that

(01:05:11):
this offense is led by Trevor Lawrence. I know he's
not an elite quarterback, but he's certainly very good. And
he had a little bit of touchdown bad luck last year,
little bit of touchdown variants that didn't go his way,
and then he loses Calvin Ridley and people seem to
be completely off of that Jacksonville offense. The highest rated

(01:05:33):
or the highest ranked Jacksonville wide receiver is Christian Kirk
at ADP of wide receiver thirty. I think that's wild.
There's going to be some upside in this offense. I mean,
what are we doing here with these pass catchers that
are all going as either low in wide receiver threes
or worse. What are some situations that you're thinking the

(01:05:54):
same thing this year?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I love that call on the Jaguars. By the way,
two years go, I was weigh in on Christian Kirk,
and you know, he caught eighty four balls for over
eleven hundred yards. I think he's gonna do it again.
He's gonna be in the slot. He's gonna catch a
ton of passes. Evan Ingram last year was targeted out
of his mind. If Evan Ingram would have scored two
more touchdowns, you know, he only had four last year.

(01:06:17):
If he would have had six, which was the same
as like in Djoku and Kittle and those kind of guys,
he would have been tight end one. We would be
talking about him in a whole different light right now.
So Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk two guys who I think
you can get at a value. Somebody else that we're
not talking enough about is Dallas Goddard. So Dallas Goddard
spent part of the summer with Jalen Hurts. Okay, he

(01:06:40):
went down and he stayed with Hertz in his home
I don't know his Texas or Oklahoma wherever he hangs
out in the summertime, and they started to build a relationship. Okay.
Now you also have to remember that the Eagles have
a new offensive coordinator this year. Okay, the Eagles offense
last year was incredibly broken. Okay, they were maybe by

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the end of the year, the worst offense in football.
I mean, you couldn't pay them to get down the
field at this point. And Dallas Godderd got hurt because
that's what Dallas Goddard does. But Kellen Moore's offense is
very tight end friendly. If you look the last I
believe five years, he was calling plays throw out last
year with the Chargers, but look at what he did

(01:07:23):
with the Cowboys with three different tight ends Drew he
had top twelve tight end production. That was Jason Witten
is in this conversation by God. So Dallas Goddard last
year just a hair under ten points per game reports
in practice are Dallas Goddard is catching the ball over
the middle of the field. He's getting targeted in the
end zone, both things that did not happen last year

(01:07:44):
in PHILADELI Philadelphia's offense, they didn't throw over the middle
at all, and Dallas Goddard was rarely targeted in the
en zone. He only had three on the whole season,
So again, what are we doing here? Elite offensive coordinator
Kellen Moore is one of the best minds calling plays
in the NFL. They brought him in for a reason.
Great offensive line, really good quarterback. Dallas gott It. They

(01:08:06):
need a third wide receiver. Essentially, Dallas Goddard could be
playing the slot. Like, don't overthink it, folks, and nobody
wants to draft Dallas Goddard. You can get him as
like the twelfth tight end off the board in some
leagues because everyone's picking, you know, the tight end Dujore
over him. But just again, don't overthink it. Draft Dallas Goddard.
Draft DeVante Smith, by the way, also third fourth round

(01:08:29):
if he falls to you, the numbers that he could
put up if he plays in that Keenan Allen kind
of ceedee lamb roll, they're going to be off the charts.
So two great values in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, people are really frustrated with what happened with Smith
and Dodder last year, and I think they're finally just
kind of throwing their hands up with Dallas Goddard. They're
saying a couple of years in a row, he's been
hurt or he's been poor, and they're just kind of
like shrugging their shoulders, and his ADP is falling. I
don't know what his ADP is right now, but I
think it's outside the top twelve, where it's at the

(01:08:59):
bottom of the top twelve. Let me look here because
I know it's a great point, and it's down there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
He's after in Joku. This is Best Ball, ADP. He's
you know, you're getting him one hundred and fifteen picks
into a draft in Best Ball right now. I mean,
that's it's a pretty good value for a guy if
he catches some more touchdowns. Imagine he catches six seven
touchdowns this year from Jalen Hurts. They're not doing the
tush push as much, and so Jalen Hurts is fifteen

(01:09:27):
rushing touchdowns become seven rushing touchdowns and he's got to
throw a couple more. A few of those from inside
the five yard line could stand to go to Dallas Goddard.
And now you know you're really cooking with some gas
with a guy you got one hundred and fifteen picks
into a draft. My god, that's the tenth to eleventh round.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I'm with you. I just looked at the overall football
guys ADP. It has him as tight end twelve right now. God,
it is so behind Schultz, Ferguson and Joku. They all
seem kind of like the same guy. To me, it
seems like we should be just taking the guy that's
cheapest or that falls to us, especially in an auction format.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
But look at those shelt Ferguson, who made them? Kellen Moore,
who's the next guy up in the Kellen Moore offense? Dyalas, God, yeah,
raft them, draft them? After all?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Those guys absolutely perfect. So I want to talk a
little bit about another angle that drives me nuts this
time of year, and that is rookie mania. Oh god,
you know it's It's one of those things that I
can't talk about enough on this show, and I know
people get a little bit tired to hear me say it,

(01:10:33):
But man, what are we doing here with some of
these guys. I don't understand why people are so excited
about some of these guys. And I know that we
get some beat reports and we get some you know,
runaway I guess optimism this time of year because we
see these guys in the shorts and I hear all
the time something that drives me fricking crazy. Man so

(01:10:54):
and so busted a seventy yard touchdown and practice today,
I'm like they're not tackling. There's no tackling. He ran
through seven defenders because they went up and acted like, oh,
I'm going to hit him if we're allowed to hit,
and then the guy runs by him. That's not a
seventy yard touchdown. I'm tired of hearing that crap. But
you know what it does, It makes everyone so excited

(01:11:15):
about a player. And you know, I heard just yesterday
Ray Davis is looking quick and oh boy, that speed,
and he broke off this and that and like nobody's
breaking anything. Okay, they're not in a game, so that nonsense.
And there are so many guys this year that we
have this crazy buzz about. I mean, first it was
Javonte Williams is going to get cut because Audric Estimate

(01:11:38):
is looking so good on early downs. And then we've heard,
you know, Kamani Vidal, We've heard Trey Benson's going to
take the job from James Connor. Now, James Connor, I mean,
this is complete disrespect. Look at what this guy has
done last couple of years in points per game, and
you're talking about Trey freaking Benson coming in. I'm not
saying it can't happen or that injuries won't happen, whatever

(01:12:01):
the case may be. But we're drafting these players way
too high. I mean, what are we doing here? With
Ray Davis. I talked about James Cook on Twitter this week,
and one of the most interesting things that I found
when I looked into the Buffalo offense was the stark
splits from the first half of the season when they
had Ken Dorsey at offensive coordinator and then they switched

(01:12:24):
over to Joe Brady. He immediately went run heavy. And
I pulled some stats from your site, the Fantasy Points
data Suite, which, by the way, folks, if you have
not checked out their data suite, oh my gosh, it's amazing.
But I was able to pull their pass and run tendencies.
Their situation neutral tendencies completely flipped. In weeks one to

(01:12:48):
ten with Dorsey, they were sixty three and a half
percent pass rate in situations where they're within seven points.
That was ninth in the NFL. That flipped to fifty
seven per in twenty third in the NFL when Brady
took over. Beyond that, this is the grossest stat that
I could possibly put out there. On first down, they

(01:13:11):
went from passing the ball the fifth most in the
NFL at fifty eight point eight percent on first down
to thirty first with thirty six point six percent pass
rate on first down with Joe Brady. So, I understand
people are excited about Ray Davis, But the guy you
should be excited about James Cook. I mean, what are

(01:13:31):
we doing here? The guy was RB five from weeks
eleven to seventeen. What are we doing here? Man? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
And the problem there in Buffalo, And I don't care
if the running back is James Cook, Thurman, Thomas ray Day,
it doesn't matter, O. J. Simpson. The run is going
to score all the touchdowns. There is the quarterback, it's
Josh Haleen. Josh Haleen's the goal line back. And that
we're gonna have to get over that, you know, fact,
until Josh Allen stops being the goal line back. So

(01:13:57):
even last year you saw they brought in Latavious Murray,
who grew up here in Syracuse with me. He had
four rushing touchdowns. So they got a kid named Ty
Johnson on the team as well. He's a little nicked
up in camp. Trust me, Ty Johnson will get some
run when healthy, alongside or in front of Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Teams don't necessarily want to put rookies, especially kind of
mid to late round rookies, out there with their superstar
quarterbacks if they have to protect them, because let's see,
do we know how well Ray Davis can pass protect? Yeah?
Probably not yet. They will maybe learn a little bit
in training camp, but they're not gonna have Ray Davis

(01:14:36):
out there watching Josh Allen's blind side? Are you crazy?
Like maybe at the end of the season if James
Cook gets hurt, But yeah, I like the call on
James Cook if he can catch the ball, which he
had struggles with last year with a few drops. He
dropped like four balls in the end zone that would
have been touchdowns, so his numbers would have been incredible.
That's just the variants in wackiness of fantasy football. So

(01:14:58):
I like where you're going with that. You know, we
get it a lot with these rookie receivers too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Where people go bananas, That's exactly where I was going
to go rookie receivers. Milik Neighbors right now. I just
was looking because I'm going to say, well, who can
you get around neighbors? Malik Neighbors right now is going
ahead of Trey McBride and Mark Andrews. Now, I'm not
saying that elite Neighbors isn't a good player, but those

(01:15:22):
are elite tight end options in fantasy football. I'm not
sure we're playing the game. Well. If the mania has
us selecting Neighbors over trade McBride, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, that's the tough part is I've heard the hype.
I live in New York, so I hear. You know,
Milik Neighbors is catching all the passes, He's gonna get
featured a ton, and that very well may be the case.
But again, let's go back to what we talked about earlier.
Does he have an elite quarterback? No? Do they have
an elite scheme? No? Is the line any good? No?

(01:15:54):
So are they going to sustain drives? Probably not? Is
he going to have weeks or he goes for you know,
six catches for a buck twenty and a touchdown or two? Absolutely,
it's the NFL. Those kind of things happen. But on
a week to week basis, do I think Malik Neighbors
is better for your team? Your fantasy team? Then let's
say Mark Andrews, who's going to be the number one

(01:16:15):
option in a much much better offense, who's going to
sustain more drives, have many more red zone opportunities. Yeah,
I'd probably rather have Mark Andrews at that point. I mean,
both elite players, but I'd rather have Mark Andrews than
neighbors because, let's be honest, you can get some receivers
later too. This is a zillion receivers. It's a passing league.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah, so let me ask you. I know I've been
doing a lot of run in my mouth, but what
are some other situations that you're just kind of shaking
your head out that you're a little bit baffled this
preseason about what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
So, yeah, I'll run through a couple here. Number one,
This Chargers backfield with Gus Edwards. Everyone's like, oh, Gus Edwards,
he's going to be the guy. Blah blah blah, Gus
Edwards sucks. Let's be honest here, folks, Gus Edward stinks.
He's not talented, he can't break any tackles, he's not elusive.
Last year, he was basically the starting running back for
the Baltimore Ravens. He averaged less than fifty yards a

(01:17:07):
game on the ground, it was just because he went
on this hot touchdown streak where he had any success
at all as a fantasy running back. You think this
team in Los Angeles right now where a banged up
Justin Herbert. We'll see how he does when he comes
back from the planner Fasciida in his foot with you know,

(01:17:27):
Josh Palmer, who I like, Lad McConkie, a rookie, and
all these kind of mishmash of running backs. But you
think they're gonna lean on Gus freaking Edwards out there.
If I'm gonna take a shot, I know he's got
one leg. I know he'll be broken by September. If
I got a pick between the two, I'd rather take
a shot on JK. Dobbins because either Dobbins or Edwards

(01:17:48):
they're probably gonna get passed by Vidal anyways at some
point or some kid they pull off the street. So
I've read some reports in camp that say JK looks
kind of good, and if he's kind of good, he's
already more talented than Gus Edwards. Like there is no
upside to Gus Edwards. There's a little upside with JK.
Dobbins at least, But there's none at all with UH

(01:18:10):
with Gus Edwards. And you could also say stick with
that same team Josh Palmer. Josh Palmer is you know
my buddy Joe Dolan from Fantasy Points said, hey, everyone's
looking for the next UH, you know, Nico Collins, Tank Dell.
He said, well, maybe it's Josh Palmer. And I loved it.
I thought that was such a great call. So this
is a team that you know, maybe they're gonna behind

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in a lot of games. Let's see if they're gonna
be trying to throw the football down the field. They
got nothing. They have no skill position players outside of
Josh Palmer. Land McConkie. I think Palmer could be a
guy every week you get into what when you're getting
him to dress tenth round now, ninth tenth round.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
He's gonna get.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
He's gonna get like what ten eleven targets a week
in this offensive? Who else they throwing a ball to?

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
So and McConkie's already heard.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Shaking my head at this is Chargers offensive. I think
people get this mantra of the never are going to
throw the football and I'm like, well, I think they're
going to because they're gonna behind in a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I think they're going to behind a lot. And we
just had this internal discussion at football guys the other day,
our internal water cooler talking about Herbert's pass rate. And
it's a great point because we have a tendency this
time of year to double count things to just all
summer long, we're like harball, harball, run run Roman, you know,
Greg Roman, And then we get into drafts and we

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completely discount that there is going to be production through
the passing game and who's it going to go through. Yes,
we don't want the third or fourth option on this
passing offense, but right now we're talking about isolating the
top option, and I think that's going to be Palmer,
not lad mconkey. Now I could be wrong there, and
maybe by the end of the season it evens out

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a little bit. But somebody made a great point on
Twitter the other day and they said, number one, McConkie
has this history, he's already banged up, and number two,
he's never really been the guy on a team his
entire career, and so how is he going to come
into the NFL and suddenly beat the guy? The runaway
optimism for these rookies. The rookie mania just drives me

(01:20:09):
nuts every year this time of year. But I want
to get off that soapbox for just a second because
another guy that I can't stop talking about is a
mari Cooper. I don't understand what the hell we're doing
with Mariy Cooper. Yet again, the guy's average PPR points
per game finish in Cleveland is wide receiver fifteen, so
he's a mid to top level RB two or excuse me,

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wide receiver two. And yet right now he's going this
the wide receiver twenty seven. I know there's some rumors
about Brandon Ayak maybe to Cleveland, but that's not why
this ADP is down at twenty seven. People just don't
respect to Marii Cooper. What are we doing here? I
understand that Watson's not a great quarterback, but he got
him the ball when he was in there. The offense
is at least passable. It's not going to be bottom third.

(01:20:54):
Maybe it's in the middle of the pack. I don't
get what world wide receiver twenty seven works for a
guy that's a consistent mid to top level wide receiver too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Yeah, I've got the best ball adp pulled up and
looking at some of the guys going in front of
Amari Cooper. George Pickens is going ahead of him, George Pickens,
who knows who the quarterback is gonna be? Again, another
terrible offense. Uh in Pittsburgh. If the Browns who won
the division right then, or the Browns win the division
of their second whatever they were, and the Browns have

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maybe the best defense in the NFL, so they're gonna
be turning that ball over a lot back to that offense.
So George Pickens kind of a one trick pony out
there in Pittsburgh. Zay Flowers is going ahead of Amari Cooper.
You have to be on the greatest crack in the
world to draft Zay Flowers over Amari Cooper. We're gonna
get at guys, We're not drafting all. But what are

(01:21:49):
you smoking here with Za Flowers? A guy who's a
dot is like you point two over Amari Cooper who
can win in the end zone at all levels of
the field. Your nuts. Stefan Diggs, three headed monster there
in Houston? Am I going to take him over Mariy Cooper?
Hell no, Well, the neighbors is on that list as well.
Is the upside for the next few years probably better? Yeah,

(01:22:11):
but I think Amari Cooper out produces him this year.
So good call on Amari Cooper there, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Yeah, thank you. You got any other situations you want
to hit? I do want to move into some of
your favorite picks, but any other what the heck are
we doing here spots that you're thinking about right now?

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
We can kind of blend him together. So I'll say,
what the heck are we doing here? And why aren't
we taking enough of this guy? And it goes to
Deontay Johnson. We talk about former Steelers wide receivers. So
Deontay Johnson's going to go to Carolina where Dave Canalis
takes over as the head coach, and he's gonna be
calling the plays there. Everywhere Dave Canalis goes fantasy production follows.
He turned Baker freaking Mayfield into a fantasy asset last year,

(01:22:51):
and Mike Evans another thousand yard season. Go look at
this depth chart, folks, Go see who else is on
the Carolina Panthers. You got Adam Thielen, who's four hundred
year old, and Adam Thielen was productive last year for
a minute, Jonathan Mingo, who people are going to talk
up forever. He hasn't produced anything. Xavier le Guett, he's
a rookie. We'll see what we get out of him.
But Deontay Johnson, I think, is going to get back

(01:23:12):
to these one hundred and forty plus target years that
we saw in Pittsburgh. And again, another guy, I say
it all the time, nobody wants to draft him. I'm
scrolling the list, I go, where the hell is Deontay Johnson? Like,
Deontay Johnson's going behind Roma Dunsa, Xavier Worthy, Jaden Reid.
You're crazy. I'd rather have Deontay Johnson ten out of

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ten times than any of those guys. Again, that's the
rookie hype pushing down what is a super productive player.
Maybe it's because people just forgot about him in Pittsburgh
and he didn't score any touchdowns two years ago. But
he's a really, really good player and he only played
in thirteen games last year. I think that's what's suppressing
his value. So a guy I want to get on

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my team later in drafts, and I'm wondering, why is
no one else seeing this is Deontay Johnson. You want
to give me Deontay Johnson the seventh round and a
full point PPR league. Thanks a lot, buddy, because he's
going to finish in the top twenty of the position,
no question about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah, and Thelen looked great last year. Early in the
season he fell off, but like you said, he's four
hundred years old. That's approximate, but he's approximately four hundred
years old, and Johnson's gonna get fed. I like that
pick to lead off the third segment here because I
want to talk about some guys that maybe we're feeling
like our little mispriced and that's how we're going to

(01:24:30):
end up the show here, because we are getting a
little bit deep. We're about forty five minutes in. But
I feel like there are some players that people are
just not excited about because of some of this rookie
mania or because of the hot prospect that they think
is going to hit, when there are still plenty of
veterans out there that deserve to have some consideration ahead

(01:24:52):
of where they're going right now. And one of those
guys is I'm gonna say it again, Mike Evans. He's
a wide receiver fifteen now, and I understand people's concerns.
But I kind of go back to the same thing
that I was saying last summer about Evans. There's this,
and there's this, and there's this, and then he went
out and just did it again. Baker Mayfield likes Mike Evans.

(01:25:14):
I know Dave Canalis is no longer there, but what
are we doing with wide receiver fifteen? I just don't
understand for a guy that is a lock for one
thousand yards and six to eight touchdowns with more upside,
why that's happening again. And on the other side of
the coin, I want to point out DeAndre Swift. I
just can't get over the optimism from people who think

(01:25:35):
that Swift is suddenly going to turn into the thing
because he had a little bit of an opportunity early
in his career with Detroit, where he looked pretty good.
He was behind a really good offensive line, and whenever
they tried to use him a little bit too much,
he got hurt. Now, he stayed healthy last year for
the most part, but he's behind a couple of dominant
offensive lines in Detroit and Philly, and now he goes

(01:25:58):
to Chicago where not only are going to be splitting
time but the offensive line is significantly worse there in
Chicago as well. So I'm not sure what we're doing
with with DeAndre Swift being that high, and I don't
know why Mike Evans is that low. Do you have
a couple guys you're thinking about in that regard?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Well, one point about Swift, So he was in Detroit
behind an elite offensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
They didn't want him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
They traded him to Philadelphia. He's in Philadelphia. They could
have got him back for literally nothing. They said, Now
we don't watch. We'd say, Quon Barkley. What do these
teams know about DeAndre Swift? When you look at some
of his metrics of what he did making unblocked defenders missed,
it wasn't good. So that's kind of what we always
thought about Swift. It's like, oh, he's this shifty guy
and he can make people miss. Not really the case anymore.

(01:26:40):
So let's see some players that I'm in on that
I'm confused as to why others aren't. Dek Prescott. Dek
Prescott last year finished. Oh, let's see what five in
quarterback points per game tied for fourth really with Joe Flacco,
you know who only played in five games. Deck Prescott
lied the NFL in touchdown pass. He's gonna be on

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a team like McCarthy's calling the place, coaching for his job.
By the way, he's got Ceedee Lamb out there. You know,
he's still got Brandon Cooks and we'll see what happens there.
There's no running game, there's none. It's ric o'doubell and
the corpse of Zeke Elliott. You don't think Dak Prescott
playing for a contract, and I don't think he's back
in Dallas next year. I think he's gonna go to
a free agency. Dak Prescott is playing for his job.
Dak Prescott's gonna throw forty five hundred yards and he's

(01:27:23):
gonna push for forty touchdowns. And you can get him
again as like QB eight in your drafts. So if
you want the guy, you know you don't have to
spend a first four round pick, but he's gonna give
you top five upside. Dak freaking Prescott. I'm talking up
a cowboy here. I hate it, but it's so true.
Like it's glaring. This light is just flashing, and it's
like draft Dak Prescott because they're gonna throw the crap

(01:27:45):
out of the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Ball they are. And that also highlights another thing that
I think is probably a market market inaccuracy here as well.
That's who's going to be the second target earner there
in Dallas, and that's probably gonna be Jake Ferguson. So
we go back to the tight end thing where if
you're in a situation where you're dealing with a deep

(01:28:06):
league or dealing with people who just don't care too
much and they're not spending a lot of money at
that position, I think you can find that nice production
from an Unjoku or a Ferguson or a Goddard and
save some money for some other pass catchers. But I
like that call, and one of the things that we

(01:28:26):
talked about earlier that I just I have to center
it back here once again, the offense is going to
be elite, and sometimes it just doesn't have to be
that hard. I don't know why yet. Again, Dak Prescott
is being devalued in drafts. You know, he's a really
easy button click where he's being drafted right now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Yeah, let me give you two more guys that I'm
way in on, and they're both receivers, and I'm not
sure why people aren't picking up on them. One is
Hollywood Brown who's playing in Baltimore again run first offense.
But he was fine, he was pretty good for fantasy.
Then he goes to Arizona. He's banged up, Kyler's banged up.
They never really click. Now he goes to this offense
with this quarterback you may have heard of, Patrick Mahomes.

(01:29:09):
So they want to get back in Kansas City to
being a vertical offense. That's why they went out and
they got Hollywood Brown. That's why they went out and
they drafted Xavier Worthy. They're gonna push the ball down
the field again. Reports in camp are glowing about what
they're doing with this offense, getting vertical yet again. So
I have what's gonna be the number one wide receiver
for Patrick Mahomes and nobody wants to draft him. Hmmm,

(01:29:32):
I don't know about that. And then Drew, how about
Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup is a guy who just a
few years ago was the number one player in fantasy.
You can get him now in the third round of drafts.
I've done a million mock drafts and in the third
round here comes Cooper Cup. Back to me. If he's
healthy again. It's a big if at his age around
thirty years old. But if he's healthy, Cooper Cup is

(01:29:54):
going to smash again for Fantasy. So you're gonna be
looking at some team in your league and go, man,
who is this guy's team kicking my ass?

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
He got Cooper Cup, who's averaging twenty points a week
in the third round. You so go out and I'm
going to take the shot this year. I'm gonna invest
one last time in Cooper Cup. I think at the
end of the third round. If you're getting him there,
it's a great upside play and he can help win
your league if he stays healthy. But that's the caffy
out with every player. It doesn't matter. You can draft

(01:30:22):
Christian McCaffrey first overall. If he gets hurt, you're screwed.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
I love that final couple of sentences there. I'm just
going to chase that upside. Sometimes I know that we
can get into this mode where we can have that
narrative about every player, well if this happens or what
if this happens. Sometimes you just have to turn your
brain off. It's fairly easy. This is a guy two

(01:30:45):
years removed. I'm sorry, just one year removed from being
at the top of not only I'm not talking about quarterbacks,
but top of the entire fantasy football landscape. I'm going
to take a shot on him again this year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
But I heard that he's healthy. The first two week
games last year he averaged he had nineteen point eight points,
and then twenty seven point eight. Then he gets hurt, okay,
and then it's kind of know, you're waiting it out,
doesn't really do much. Let's flip down to when he
gets sort of healthy again in week thirteen, sixteen, twenty five,
twenty five, you know, and he gets a little nicked

(01:31:23):
up again. But this is a guy who if he's
on the field for you, is he can win you
a week twenty five points because he's going to get
eight to ten targets every week. You can invest in
the guy that gets eight to ten targets in an
offense like that's run by Sean McVay in the third round.
Sign me up, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
That's what I want to talk about with the upside here,
because I want to flip the script a little bit
from the first segment where we were talking about guaranteed
touches and having guys that you can stick in your
lineup every week when you're in the shallower leagues, you're
ten and twelve teen leagues. I really want people to
focus on the back of their roster being some those
upside guys, and maybe you have a couple late round

(01:32:02):
guys you can pick. But there's some guys that I
consistently come back to and I find myself drafting not
because I feel like they have a high degree or
a high probability of success. I'm looking at three different
wide receivers Christian Watson at wide receiver forty two right
now in ADP, Jamison Williams at wide receiver forty nine,

(01:32:24):
and Khalil Shakir at wide receiver fifty four. Now, I'm
not here to say Watson's going to be healthy this year,
but if he is, they love him in the red zone.
And I know they like Romeo Dobbs in the red zone,
but they love Christian Watson too. He's going to have
those those slate breaker type of games if he plays enough.

(01:32:44):
And for a wide receiver forty two price tag, I
think that's the kind of bets we should be making.
And with respect to Jamison Williams, it's not the same
Jamison Williams as last year. And I know a lot
of people want to say, well, he hasn't been able
to do it yet, what makes us think he's going
to do it now. He's had a really rough stretch
to his career with injuries and the suspension last year.

(01:33:04):
I know that this is a crowded pass catching, you
know situation here in Detroit, But at wide receiver forty nine,
what are you really risking at that point? And the
same thing with Khalil Shakir. People are excited about Curtis
Samuel and Kean Coleman, but Shakiir has been the one
that they're talking about in training camp and when he
had targets last year, he smashed in the games when

(01:33:27):
they actually gave him targets. Now, maybe that's going to
be the problem. He won't be able to earn targets
at a high rate. But there's three guys right there
that you can stick on your team as you maybe
your wide receivers four, five, and six. If you've got
some steady producers that your won two and three spots,
those are fantastic players to take a shot on. And
if one of them hits, you're suddenly sticking that player

(01:33:48):
into your flex every week and winning a lot of
Fantasy football games.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
A couple of super late round targets for me, Greg
dortch Ron Del Moore, kind of shorter guys who are
going to play in the slot. Dortsch and aras Zon
is going to be on the field every snap for
the Cardinals. We talked about them a little while ago.
You know, they don't have Hollywood Brown anymore. Ron Dell
Moore is going to start in the slot for Atlanta.
Whoever wins this wide receiver three job between Jermaine Burton

(01:34:13):
and andre Yoshibas with the Bengals, I'd like taking a
shot on one of those guys. Juandel Robinson, nobody's drafted.
He's like wide receiver seventy eight right now, and he's
going to play a ton for the Giants. And then
somebody a little higher up who you know, folks know,
but his price is confusing to me. Is Cortland Sutton
for the Broncos. He's great in the red zone. They

(01:34:34):
don't have a lot around him at the wide receiver position.
Knows Marvin Mims and who knows, And you know, maybe
Sean Payton turns Courtland Sutton into what he had with
Mike Thomas back in the day. So if I can
get the number one receiver in this offense who they
just paid, and I can get him as wide receiver,
I don't know, forty nine fifty, that is a great,

(01:34:54):
great shot. And we talked about playable depth. You're probably
not even drafting Courtland Sutton as a starter on your
team at that point, you know, one hundred and fifteen
picks into a draft. So I really like that call.
And I like your guys too. Jamison Williams. Boy, if
they can make him an every down player in Detroit,
he's special because he's got game breaking speed and he
can make those kind of explosive plays that NFL offenses

(01:35:16):
are looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Yeah, and another guy that's explosive that I was not
really on early in the summer. I was actually preaching
about Zach Moss a little bit early in the year.
But I'm starting to realize that maybe Cincinnati brought him
in for the past protection and that he's not going
to play as much as I want him to. And
Chase Brown's ADP really is not corrected yet. So if
you can check out. I believe it's wide receiver. Excuse me, gosh,

(01:35:42):
some TND that a lot today. I believe it's RB
forty right now off the board for Chase Brown. I
think that's going to correct. It's gonna go up because
of the reports from camp. But Chase Brown really seems
like a guy who's on his way to earning sixty
or sixty five percent of the touches, and that's really
where we want him, right Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
When you look a guy like Chase Brown, who they drafted,
they brought him in, they've developed him, and now we
in the fantasy community kind of get over over our
skis with guys who are just kind of jags. They're
just guys like za Mere White, Zack Moss, these guys
who are they're just kind of placeholders. There's nothing special

(01:36:19):
about any of these guys. They can be beaten out
fairly easily, and I think that could be the case
here with Zach Moss. You know, he did okay for
a couple of games in Indianapolis behind a good line,
but again their quarterback was hurt. They weren't throwing the
ball at all, and he was kind of the focal
point of their offense at that point. I don't necessarily
think that's the case in Cincinnati, where Joe Burrow can

(01:36:40):
sling it all over the yard, and Chase Brown's a
guy who if I got to pick between the two,
I'm probably going to pick a pick Chase Brown. He's
really explosive. So I like that call as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
I'll tell you what we're pushing an hour. Do you
have anybody else you want to get out there? Or
should we just run our mouths about Canton for a
second before we get going.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Let's say let me this out there. Last thing. They
probably bring somebody else in, but they don't know what
they're doing. In Dallas. I had to talk to way
too much Cowboys today. Rico Dowdell by all reports, is
these starting running back for the Dallas Cowboys getting the
goal line work, getting the touches between the tackles, first second,
third down. I don't know what Zeke has left, if anything,
they already got rid of him once late in your draft.

(01:37:21):
Take a flyer on rico' Donde'll see what happens again.
Is he good? Is he special? Absolutely not, But he's
kind of the only game in town.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Yeah, unless you're talking about Royce Freeman.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Man, come on, oh God give me bread. That's Royce
Freeman fits perfectly into that like Zach Moss, Zameir White category.
And we see it every year when we're talking about
some journeyman guy who are like, Wow, he's guaranteed touches.
We have to project him highly because someone's got to
touch the ball there, and then you realize, eh, this
guy kind of sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah. And you know when teams talk up a player
like that, they like they were talking about Royce Freeman.
Don't forget that they talk them up on a football standpoint.
I think they like what Royce Freeman brings to the
team football wise. That doesn't mean he's going to be
a fantasy producer that we're going to care about him whatsoever.
I like the doubt o' call. I actually did a
weird thing in a best ball like season long league

(01:38:15):
recently where I just double tapped Zeke and Dowbell and
back to back rounds late in the draft, and I
feel like one of those guys is going to fall
into the end zone every week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
But kyn Williams, I want to make it a point
to get Blake Korum, even if you had to overspend
a hair. Having the lead running back in that offense
is going to pay dividends for you down the stretch.
If you got Kyron and he stays healthy the whole season, fantastic.
He's going to be a top five running back that
you get pressed value because everyone thinks's gonna get hurt
if he does. You got Blake Korum and then he's

(01:38:45):
a league winner for you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love the double tap
on the Rams backfield. This year, I'm gonna definitely be
trying that in my auctions. Well, look, man, it's been
an hour. We could probably do three hours, but let's
let the people go here and remind everybody. First of all,
I didn't even give you a chance to do this
at the top of the show. I'm a terrible host.

(01:39:07):
Where can we find you on socials and find your work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
At Drake Fantasy on Twitter and I think I'm on
Instagram and TikTok as well. I do nothing on either
one that's like or Drake Fantasy Football. Just come find
me over there, and yeah, come come check out the
Fantasy Points podcast with John Hanson the Guru and I
have fun and then serious in the morning. I'm Tuesday Thursday.

(01:39:31):
I'm like that fun college class you had back in
the day. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, you wake up with
me and Tom Brawley. We'll get you through their workday.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Well, you know that Fantasy Points pod with John Hanson
is awesome and I don't know a few folks. If
you don't know, go check it out, get it in
your feed. They've already had some really big time guests
this summer. Ladany and Tomlinson came on the show. They're
killing it over there. And of course John Hanson is
a fun guy to listen to. I mean, I don't
care about listening to Drake. I got to listen to

(01:39:59):
that app every day, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
So we did Schefter come on the pod? I know
she was to be sitting here in my basement on
a zoom call and then Adam Schefter pops up on
my screen. He's like, hey man, what's going on. I'm like,
holy crap, this is something we had. Schefter, we had Tomlinson,
We've had Mike Clay, we had She's I'm forgetting the
name now of the guy who produced the league and

(01:40:23):
created that in Curby Enthusiasm. Yeah, Jeff Schwartz, Jeff Schaeffer,
Jeff Shaffer.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I Apologe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
So yeah, just a lot of great guests. Yeah, that's there,
and the Guru knows this stuff, so tune in for him.
I'm there, but tune in for John.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Well, you're, in my book, the best host that I
bump up against in any capacity here in fantasy football.
So there's no doubt in my mind while you're getting
the success there with serious and with John Hansen there
on that show. So you deserve every bit of it,
and I appreciate you coming on every summer giving me
your time. I cannot wait until uh, until Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
I know we'll be uh, we'll be partaking in some
adult beverages and you know, just wandering the streets causing debauchery.
But yeah, the Expo is a great time. Again, anybody
else out there who's listening, if you want to come
to the expo, it's not just for you know, fantasy
podcast guys, for anybody. There's a whole expo on Sunday
where you can come and there's a million booths and

(01:41:23):
your guys football guys have a big present there this year,
so you come, come check it out and maybe you'll
you'll find some great deals on some sites and some
schwag and all that good stuff. So yeah, come can't
Ohio and hang out with us?

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Yeah, come up, hang out with us. I will buy
you a beer. Anybody who listens to the show comes
up and says, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
I've listened to the show, so I'll remind you of that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
I'm not buying you shit, man, Just kidding, just kidding.
I got plenty of Saturdays loaded up for you, baby,
I got I'm gonna have a whole cooler full of
Naturdays for anybody that wants them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
They actually weren't bad, I'll be honest. I'm a big guy,
but I gotta take it easy because I'm only there
for two days. I have to draft at ten am
on Saturday morning. Then I have to do three hours
of radio during the auction part of the draft. I'm
hosting it on Serious XM, so I have to be
somewhat coherent at this point. So hey, maybe Saturday night

(01:42:18):
it'll be my night to get ripping.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Yeah. I don't disagree that you need to be coherent,
but you're not coming Thursday, so I'm not going to
accept any soft ass shit on Friday night. But now
I got to I'm in the same way. Six hours
of drafting on Saturday makes it hard to hit it
real hard on Friday night. Doesn't stop me from doing it.
But yeah, hey, and which reminds me, if you come
to the Expo, you're there that weekend, come out to

(01:42:42):
the Hall of Fame between ten and four, watch the
Jim Brownlee, watch the bland A League. We do our
snake first thing from ten to twelve, and then we
break for lunch and we come back and we do
the auction from one to four, one to five, So
come check that out too. It's fun to just it's
a big room. You can sit in the back and
watch some of the best in the business go at it.
But all right, man, well look we got to get

(01:43:04):
we gotta get moving here. So thank you again for coming.
And it's you know, it's always one of my favorite
conversations of the summer. I can't wait till till next weekend.
The next time we'll be checking in with discussions with Drew.
We'll be Bob Harris, we'll be breaking down the King's
Classic and what happened in Canton following the Big Brew Haha.

(01:43:25):
Next weekend in Canton, Ohio. So thanks again to Drake Fantasy.
Find him on Twitter at Drake Fantasy, and don't forget
to check out his pod over there on Fantasy Points
as well. That'll do it for another week of discussions
with Drew. Thank you so much for the time this week, Brian.

(01:43:47):
I know it's a busy week leading up to Expo week,
but he gave us the gosh. We went an hour there,
didn't we But that was a really fun conversation. I
hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.
Brian and I have a great time together. And I'm
going to say it again. I know you've heard it before,
but there haven't been many more people who have been
more instrumental in my success in this industry than Brian

(01:44:09):
Drake and I will never forget him for that, and
I appreciate everything he's done for me. So I just
want to put that out there in the universe. I
have a lot of gratitude for that guy and what
he's done for my fantasy career, but also he's become
one of my best friends in the world. Thank you
so much for coming on this week, Brian. He did
a fantastic job. I enjoyed that conversation. Let's get you

(01:44:30):
out of here. This is going to be a little
bit shorter than normal, but not as short as I
wanted it to be. That's okay, folks, it is Canton time.
By the time you hear this, I will be on
my way headed into the sprawling metropolis of Canton, Ohio,
on a sunny August afternoon. Folks, don't forget that the

(01:44:53):
Football Guy's Poker Tournament is on Friday at noon. If
you can stop by the Mbar in Building bell Ah
easy for me to say the Mbar in Belden Village
and Canton. We're going to have a great time Friday
afternoon from twelve to five. There's gonna be food, prizes
you can win. It's gonna be a great time. Come

(01:45:14):
out to the Mbar on Friday from twelve to five.
That's Friday, August ninth. Thank you all for being here
for another episode of the Auction Brief. Don't forget my
promo code Auction one zero on FJA Fantasy Sports or
to your draft boards now and get ten percent off.
Don't forget my Patreon network that is just four bucks

(01:45:35):
a month. Sign up right now and get plenty of information.
You can scroll back to all the stuff we've done
all summer long with your membership just four dollars a month.
Thank you so much for being a part of my journey.
I'm having a blast. We've got two more episodes to
cram more information into your head. I hope you enjoyed
my seven winning auction moves this week and the discussions Withdrew.

(01:45:58):
Let's go win some titles, folks. The Auction Brief is
adjourned and I am out.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
The Auction Brief is adjourned. That'll do it for this
week's episode. See you next time on the Auction Brief.

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