Auction Do's and Don'ts; Guest John Daigle from Establish the Run

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Welcome to the Auction Brief.

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Your host, Drew Davenport, there are full hearts.

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Hey, everybody, welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
I'm your host, Drew Davenport, you're fantasy football lawyer, and
thank you so much for joining me for another week
of the Auction Brief. I wind up another big one
for you. We've got John Dagel coming in to talk
to us. I think when you hear him talk about

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fantasy football, you're gonna get smarter, just like you do
from all the other guests we've had this summer. And
then we have a monstrous legal update to go through.
I'm going to try to keep it, like I said
last week, to the salient points so that we can
get ninety eight percent of the value out of it
without drilling down to that other two percent that makes
the update take too long. But man, it was a

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big one this week, so we got to go over
what happened, and so to that end, I've truncated the
other part of the show just a little bit. We're
gonna do auction dues and don'ts, but I'm gonna take
it more like a lightning round. I got like fourteen
different ones here, and I'm going to try not to
ramble on about each one too long because it's really

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intended to be more of a lightning round. But auction
dues and dotes, we're going to go through those. So
that's the episode for this week. It'll be another week
of getting you ready for your twenty twenty five auctions
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All right, we've dispensed with the introductory stuff as quickly
as possible because the legal updates going to eat up
a little more time, and I don't like hitting two hours.
Even though you may think I like listening to my

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fat wet Mouth run for two hours, I actually don't.
I don't want it to go two hours. So let's
get right into the content this week. First, we're going
to hit that legal update before we get to our
auction dues, and don'ts We've got big news in the
Rashie Rice case as well as the Jordan Addison case.
Let's figure out what that means for their twenty twenty
five fantasy outlook.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Now it's time for your legal update.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, the first one we got to talk about is
Rashi Rice because this was a stunner, folks. We have
resolution in the Rashi Rice case. And it's interesting because
I've been on record as saying that I didn't think
it was going to get done this year, that once
the indictment came down, it would take, you know, till
the end of this year or till the offseason before
this thing would be finished. But that is not the case.

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In fact, we got news that the case is actually
resolved already. And so I'm just going to go right
out on front Street and say, folks, I missed on
this one. I thought that he was going to be
okay for this season. I hope you haven't drafted yet
or invested too heavily in that advice. But I will
say this, this is my seventh summer of doing this job.
Of all the legal cases that we've gone through to

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this point, this is my for all intents and purposes,
this is my second miss because actually the very first
case I did back in twenty nineteen. I thought for
sure Tyreek Hill was going to see some ramifications from
his behavior on that phone call we all remember. But
there is a common theme between these two cases, and
that is that sometimes things are happening behind the scenes

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that we're not aware of. And that's something I say
all the time when you're listening to my advice, you
have to understand that there are things I don't know.
I'm not privy to anything other than the open source
material out there. And so I missed on the Tyreek
Kill case because the judge did something really unusual, which
was to seal all the records in the case, knowing
the publicity around someone like Tyreek Hill. So that's super unusual,

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and you know, there's no way I can know that
I missed on that one. I missed on the Rashie
Rice case because they were negotiating a diversion situation behind
the scenes. Oftentimes that stuff is confidential, not only because
sometimes there are assessments done for drug and alcohol issues
or mental health issues. I'm not saying that's the case
in the Rice case, but a lot of times diversion

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stuff is confidential. That's essentially what Rice ends up getting
here in this case. The news broke on Thursday that
Rice and Jordan Addison had finished their cases on the
same day. Yeah, it's been quite a whirlwind since that
stuff broke. I have been pushing legal content NonStop since
then because it's so impactful. These are two pretty strong

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fantasy pieces for the upcoming season. They broke on the
same day, so I was scrambling to try to figure
out what was going on here, and the wording from
Adam Schefter told us a lot. But I actually ended
up finding the press release from the Dallas County Prosecutor's
Office or District Attorney's office as they're called down there,
and they essentially said that he has what they call

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deferred probation that he has to do actually thirty days
in jail as a result of this offer that was
accepted by the Rice camp. But it's an interesting resolution
of the case because, as you know, he had eight
felony charges that he was facing. He ended up pleading
to two of them, and they were third degree felonies.
Those are relatively low level felony charges, but he pleads

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guilty them, and that was a point of confusion for
a lot of people on Twitter the other day, and
that's totally normal, and that's why you need somebody who's
been in the business for a long time, like I
have to explain what that means. When he pleads guilty,
he's accepting responsibility for the case, and there's essentially what's
called a deferred adjudication. Now this is language that Adam
Schefter used. The DA's office did not say deferred adjudication.

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They said deferred probation. But I think the final result
will be the same, and that is, in a diversion scenario,
you plead guilty to whatever they want you to plead
guilty to, and you have to play guilty. You can't
play no contest because you're accepting responsibility, and then what
you do is you earn your way out of the charges. Basically,
So what Rice is doing is he's speaking out about

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street racing and how dangerous this kind of stuff is.
He's also paid restitution. He's already paid the restitution. In
this case, he was ordered to pay one hundred and
fifteen thousand dollars in restitution. He's already done that. And
an interesting side note here, he had two pending civil
cases against him. As I noted before, one of those
cases is going away for want of prosecution. They've not

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followed through on the case, but the other one was
just recently settled as well. This is not a coincidence. Okay,
these things happen together. He settled the other civil case
for one million dollars plus attorney fees, plus like seventy
five thousand in interest or something. He's going to be
in like one point two million on the civil case,
and he's already paid one hundred and fifteen thousand on

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the criminal case for restitution. And he's also saying all
the right things here. So that's important to the final
resolution of what I think is going to happen with
this case, because we don't know the suspension quite yet,
so we have to sort of guess on what the
league's going to do. Because now the criminal cases are over.
Missed on that one, wompomp Brad, How could you miss

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that one? Brah? Everybody saw that one, Brah. I don't
know what you were thinking. Yeah, I know, I know,
Duke at it. I didn't have it Duke at it though. Anyway,
the case is over now, so the NFL can proceed
with their adjudication on the case, they are likely going
to give him what's been termed a multi game suspension.
There is a Chiefs insider I want to note who

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says that the Chiefs are getting information that it's going
to be two to four games. That's right where I
landed to. When I looked at the at the facts
of the case and the precedent and the history of
the league. I know this is considered to be a
somewhat heinous situation. He could have really badly hurt somebody.
I get that. I'm not minimizing that at all. But
in the grand scheme of things, young men lots of

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money buy fast cars and drive them fast. Now you
may say it's unfair that he could have killed somebody,
just like Henry Ruggs, and you're absolutely right. But the
outcome of the act does matter. I mean, it just does.
That's how the law is made. If somebody gets behind
the wheel and they drive drunk and they don't kill somebody,
they don't get the same punishment as somebody who drives

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drunk and hurts somebody or kill somebody. That's just how
it goes. That's the law. The outcome of his behavior
was not egregious, and he has owned it from the beginning,
and that's where I'm ultimately going to hang my hat,
because the NFL Personal Conduct Policy doesn't directly tell us
what this kind of behavior is going to give us
for a punishment. There is a provision within the Personal

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Conduct Policy that says six games is a baseline suspension
for situations that involve assault, and most of the time
that's going to be felony level assault. And then they
also reference domestic situations as well as sexual crimes, So
that doesn't really fit because although one of the charges
that he was charged with was assault from the vehicle,

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that's not really what this provision is for. And then
you know, you've got in the policy on Substances of Abuse,
you've got a mandatory three game suspension for things that
involve alcohol, but again that's not involved here either. That
doesn't really fit. So there's nothing that actually fits except
there's a general provision at the beginning of the Personal

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Conduct Policy that says these are the things that can
get you suspended, and one of those is just placing
others in danger, followed up by tarnishing the shield, basically
turnishing the NFL. So those things both apply. He certainly
has violated the personal Conduct policy. He's certainly going to
get suspended how much we don't really know. A lot
of people are saying it's going to be six games.

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I don't know that I necessarily believe it's going to
be six games. I'd put out a Twitter thread the
other day and I said that I believe it's about
maybe ten or fifteen percent chance that he gets six games.
I think it's going to be more in the range
of four. And I don't discount things from Chiefs insiders.
They use have sources inside the building. If the Chiefs
are hearing two to four games, I don't think that

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the Rice camp was dumb enough to negotiate this deal
and then be like, whoops, he got twelve games. I
just don't think that's happening. So my guess is two
to four games. I'm landing right around four. I think
you can proceed in that way. Now if you want
my fancy take on it, Folks, you're not gonna love it,
but I'm buying I'm buying Rashi Rice. He did a
dumb thing. He drove a car fast. I don't think

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the lead's gonna hammer him. He has been contrite, he
has said all the right things since this case happened.
I don't think they're going to hammer him. I don't
And maybe I'm going to be zero for two on
the Rashi Rice case after they give him make games
or something. I just don't see that happening. So I'm
buying Rashi Rice, and I love the resultants DIP we're
going to get in ADP. Hopefully we can see fourth

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fifth round Rashi Rice. Because I'm willing to sit on
that suspension. Absolutely. It's not the same thing as a
guy coming off in ACL injury, coming off the pup
list and you're counting on him to produce coming off
you know whatever, two three, four game suspension. I am
happy to stick Rice in my lineup. He could give
you wide receiver one production for the final thirteen weeks
of the season. If you can make it through two

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and two or whatever through the first four weeks of
the season, draft deep at wide receiver, like I always
tell you to do on the auction brief. I'm buying Rice. Okay,
that's a situation with the rest of Rice right now.
The Jordan Aison case is less complicated, but it was nevertheless,
a resolution of the case, and folks, let me flip
the coin. I love saying flip the coin on this show.

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You know, I've come to realize that I've got a
couple things that just are in my head every time
I record. I say the word fantastic way too much.
I don't know why, because I don't walk around in
my daily existence and say the word fantastic. When this
mic lights up, I'm just like, ooh, this is fantastic.
What a fantastic show is? Everyone having a fantastic time.

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One of the other things that I say is the
other side of the again, like not something I use
in my daily parlance. I don't understand why I say it,
but I want to flip the rashy rice apology for
getting that wrong on its head and say that sometimes
in this business you got to be your own hype man.
And I've learned that in like I said, my seventh
summer of doing this, I can't believe what I'm saying.

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That's been the better part of a decade doing this job.
Now that's crazy, But anyway, in my seventh summer of
doing this, I've realized that, you know, over the past
couple of years. You've got to pump yourself up because
nobody else is going to do it. And I just
have to say, I don't think I could have nailed
the Jordan Aison case any better than I did. I
absolutely crush this one because what happened in the Jordan

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Aison case was I had been telling you all along
that this was a difficult case to find a deal.
All Right, You've got a alleged facts that he's passed
out on a roadway, he's like blocking traffic near the
Lax Airport, passed out behind the wheel on the roadway.
That's a really tough set of facts for both sides

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because Addison knows that if he pleads guilty to something,
or if he pleads at all to something that involves alcohol,
then it's going to trigger the automatic three game suspension
in the NFL's policy on substances of abuse, So he
knows that he needs something that's non alcohol related. The
DA doesn't really want to deal away a case like
this when it's so obvious that he's intoxicated. So the

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DA's got bad facts, and it's like he can't just
turn around and be like, here's this nice deal, because
you're Jordan Aison. It's a tough case for them to
come to a resolution. Nevertheless, I've been saying all along
that this case was going to get settled. They had
set it for a jury trial, and I said, I'm
not buying it. It's not going to jury trial. This
is not a great case to take to a jury trial. Unfortunately,

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as you likely know by now, Addison ends up taking
a deal and it's an alcohol related plea. So what
ends up happening is Addison's team, you know, they have
to play a complicated game of sort of like brinksmanship
with the other side. They have to just say, yeah,
we're going to trial. Have you going to trial? Yeah
we want a jury trial. Yeah we do. You don't
give us the deal, We're going to trial. We're going
to win this thing. That's what you do. You know,

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that's that's a negotiation. That's that's my job a lot
of the times to bluff and be like, yeah, we're
taking this to trial. I mean, you've got to give
us something and then hopefully the day of the trial,
you know, we get a deal that we like. In
this situation, right up until July fifteenth, I said, this
is not going to trial, and then the morning of
I got a little nervous that I was going to
miss because they said the jury trial is scheduled to

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begin blah blah blah, and I'm like, oh boy, this
is going to trial and missed on this one, and
then mysteriously it gets reset for the seventeenth and then
Addison takes a deal. And the deal he took was
what they call in California a wet reckless. Essentially, what
that means is that you're pleading uility to reckless operation
of a vehicle, but you're acknowledging that alcohol was involved.

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In Ohio, we call that physical control. Basically, you get
a reduction from a duy to something that is saying, hey,
I had control of my vehicle while I was intoxicated,
but I wasn't driving. It's sort of a legal fiction.
That's what their legal fiction is in California. It's called
wet reckless. It means that you were recklessly operating a
vehicle but you were under the influence, but you don't
get all the penalties of the dy. You don't get

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that first time offense that makes it worse in the future.
All that stuff is good for Addison to take a
reduced charge. But with the NFL, it kind of doesn't
matter because the policy is very clear that if you
take a deal and or are found guilty of something
that involves alcohol, then you're going to be suspended three games. Now.
Is this automatic? It's about as automatic as it can get,

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because when you read the policy, that's what it says.
The wiggle room I see in this is that Addison
also is setting up mitigation here, he's setting up his
defense with the league. By the original release from his
attorney's office, so if you go out on Twitter, you
can find and I'm not going to read it to
you here, but his attorney's office basically said he regrets

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what happened, and he's been participating in MAD programs. M
ADD programs. I believe that mothers against drunk driving. But
he's been participating in these programs and speaking and basically
what he's What they're doing is they're setting up his
meeting with Goodell, and they're hoping that when he goes
into the meeting with Gadell, he acts properly remorseful and

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his work with MAD and his prompt payment of fines
and doing whatever he has to do with the case.
They're hoping that all of that sets up a reduction
of the three games down to two, which I believe
that the league has the ability to do. So I
think it's possible we see two instead of three. I
guess I'd be surprised if they went all the way
down to one, but that's not out of the realm
of possibility. However, two to three games, I think we

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can feel fairly comfortable. Okay, Well, that's a lot of
folks and there's probably never going to be a legal
update that's fifteen minutes ever again. But you know, Rashie,
Rice and Jordan Andison both concluded their cases on the
same day last week, so we had to get that
update out there and make sure you know what's going on.
What do you say we get onto this week's auction
dues and don't auction talk. Well, I was going to

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go through this list and just like read the dues
and don'ts, and I thought that was a little bit uninteresting.
So I actually pair these up. I've got fourteen of them,
but it's essentially seven auction dues and don'ts, and one
side of it is a do and one side of
it is a don't I mean, you get it. This
isn't difficult, right, But I think these are fun because
a lot of times I try to come up with

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like a unifying theme for the show, and sometimes that's
really hard because it's like, well, I want to say this,
I haven't said this yet, I haven't hit this yet,
but it's not enough for like a full show. And
it's just stuff that I want you to know that
I just want to kind of like vomit out of
my FWM. Boy, that's a great that's a great image. Huh,
going to vomit out of my FWM some stuff at you. So,

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but I want to just kind of get these out.
None of these are like super related to each other,
but they're just things I want to say. I just
want I just want to yell them at you. Here
we go, let me yell some stuff at your ear hole.
Seven auction dues and don'ts let's get to going with
the first one. Do know the various stages of an auction,
and don't underestimate the profit you can gain from spotting

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those stages. That's another fancy way of saying the inflection points.
But the stages of an auction are really important to
be locked into, and it's even more important to know
when those stages are shifting when you're going from the
early to the middle stage, when you're heading into the endgame.
Spotting those things are ways that you spot opportunities for profit.

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Now I've talked about inflection points ad nauseam before. You
can go back and listen to last summer when I
talked about inflection points. I'm not sure I'm going to
do a whole episode. I don't know that I want
to give it the treatment this year, because, like I said,
I've retooled the show a little bit and I'm trying
to hit all these topics in different ways. But if
you want to go back in here, it's basically an
evergreen episode on inflection points last summer. I think I

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even did one this summer before as well. But inflection
points are very simple. It's a mathematical concept that basically
says there is a point at which something shifts or
changes direction. And I know my buddy Mike's out there listening.
He's mister math genius, and he's going to say, you
completely butchered what an inflection point is. I don't care, man,

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I don't care. An inflection point in an auction is
when you're flipping from one stage to another, and it's
not necessarily like a light switch, although sometimes it is.
It's a gradual shift in the draft when things are
changing and people are changing their behavior. And the best
way to spot these things. I've narrowed it down to
two things that I think are the ways to spot them.

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You can spot them from odd prices, like you'll see
like a really weird price and you go, oh, okay,
things are different. The other one is odd nominations. You'll
see people kind of go off the map and just
be like, I'm going to nominate this guy. And you
know things are shifting, You know that people are starting
to open up their brain and like they're not so
one track on what they're doing at that moment. So

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do know the stages of an auction. Don't underestimate the
profit you can get from spotting when you're moving from
one stage to another. What are the stages? I mean, again,
I don't want to spend twenty minutes on this because
we've done that before, but it's really important that you
remember that people behave differently in the different stages. It

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all comes back to the same thing in auctions. For me,
it's all a human psychology experiment. It's all studying human psychology,
and people do different things in the different stages because
they feel different ways about their team, or the amount
of money they have left, or what other people are
doing in the room, their frustration levels, all that stuff
factors into how they act. And if you go back

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to last year, remember I talked about Mike Carrow's law
of loose wiring. Basically that people will do stuff and
then sometimes they don't even know why they're doing it.
It's your job to figure out what psychological factors are
at work in their brains to make them do something different.
And a lot of times that's the stage of the
auction that they're in that they can say, Okay, now

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I've got these couple of players that are going to
be the cornerstone of my team. Now I'm going to
sit back and relax a little bit. Well, that changes
things in the room if people are thinking that, Okay,
most of the first round players are gone. Now what
do I want to do? Now? I want to go
get my kicker. Now I want to go get my
backup tight end. Now I want to go get my
RB two. They have different ideas based on where you
are in the auction. So the very beginning of the auction,

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I'll call this this is I'm going to patent this
because it's super inventive and different. I'm going to call
the first part of the auction the early early part.
I thought that was super creative. Early early. No, but
don't misunderstand my point here, because I'm laughing like a dipshit.

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The room is cold when you get into an auction. Now,
it may not last very long that the room is cold.
And when I say early early, I mean that sometimes
we're only talking about two, three, four, five nominations. Sometimes
it can last like a whole round where people just
are biding their time and the right players haven't come
up and things haven't gone explosive yet. I mean, in

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my mock the other night, I remember seeing I'm on
Ross Saint Brown went for in the low forties. I
just didn't want to bid on them because I'm a
little bit down on Brown, but also because of my plan.
We talked about that before. But point being, the room
sometimes is just cold, and so get in there before
the room is warm, get a deal. If you can't
early early in the auction, we're talking about less than

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ten nominations, you'll have to see when you know when
that switches, when the room starts to warm up. Sometimes
it's one, two, three. You'll have to spot when the
room starts to warm up. And then you get into
the actual early part of the auction. I described the
early part of the auction like essentially you're having a
snake draft in rounds one and two because people are

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going to nominate the top twenty players in the first
couple of rounds. They just want to. They love it.
They can't help it. They want to get the best players.
They want to see if they're gonna get the best players,
that's what happens. Have you guys seen I'm not a
fast and furious guy, So if you are, apologies here
because I'm gonna laugh at something. I'll never forget seeing

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the preview of one of the Fast and Furious movies
where the main character jumps out of his car and
like grabs a missile on the ice and like steers
the missile. It's like, I mean, I know they're known
for their over the top stunts and whatever. I know,
it's supposed to be over the top, but like he

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was like maybe it was a torpedo. I don't remember.
He was like on top of He's like, I'm gonna
change where the torpedo is gonna go to hit somebody else.
So he was like steering a missile with his hands.
I think about that when I think about the early
parts of an auction. That really is what it's like.
It's like this huge aircraft carrier. You're not really gonna
be able to do much in order to change an
aircraft carrier or stop an aircraft carrier. It takes like

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two miles, right, And that's sort of what this is.
Early in the draft. You're not gonna be able to
steer the missile very well. It's just a missile that's
just taken off. Early in the draft, you're not going
to be able to do a whole lot other than
to just kind of hang on to the missile and
get one or two top players. You're not going to
get deals. It's that's not what that first part of
the auction is for. So get one or two top guys.

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Then you're going to move into the middle stages of
the draft. That's, you know, the meat of your roster.
That's when you're picking up your most players. When you're
spending your twenty two dollars on one player and you're
fourteen on another, Do I bid eighteen on this or
do I hang back and make sure that I can
still spend twenty four later. Those are when you're making
most of your consequential decisions. And that's the biggest part
of the draft. That middle fifty percent of the draft.

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And you're going to recognize when the middle starts because
you're going to see somebody nominate a player that's not
in the top twenty four and the prices are going
to drop down into the thirties or into the twenties,
the meeting of your roster. The middle of that draft
is after you see people stop nominating those top players,
and then there's like a late middle two as well.

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So the middle is like when you're building the media
your roster, and then late middle we enter what I've
always called get your guy mode. And I've said this before,
but I think it's something really interesting to remember. There
is a point in the draft late middle, so we're
talking maybe about seventy percent of the way through the
draft where everyone stops focusing so much on what they

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believe are the top level players. Instead, they're focusing more
on There were some players I came to this draft
that I wanted to get. Late in this draft, there
are players on the board that people believe they want
to leave their draft with. And that's why I call
it get your guy mode. It's that situation where you're
gonna find wacky deals on players you didn't think you
would get because people are just focused elsewhere. They don't

(26:44):
care that much about bidding you up on Stefan Diggs
and he may go for some weird price like nine
bucks or eleven bucks because they're hanging out. They're waiting
on Jaden Higgins, They're waiting on Jordan Mason, They're waiting
on a player that they want, and they don't necessarily
care about the guy that's up. So then after the
late middle, you get into the late game, the end game.

(27:05):
And one of the most important things I want to
point out here is something that I just I think
this is part of the reason I did this Dues
and don'ts, because the stages of an auction are so
important and you can profit so much from recognizing when
you're switching stages and the endgame. Man, it's so so,
so huge, and I'm going to actually hit this again.
It's so important later in this conversation. But don't forget

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that the record keeping is all part of this, and
knowing what everyone else has in the room to spend
is absolutely critical in the endgame. It's not so much
early in the draft. It's like, Okay, I'm bidding on
a guy for forty eight bucks and the other person's
going along with me. We both have over one hundred
and twenty bucks left. That stuff's not as important. It's
critical in the endgame. Sometimes you want to be nominating

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a player at two dollars. Sometimes there are players out
there who only have two dollars, and if you say one,
they say two, and then you have to pay three.
That's a big deal at the end. You got to
know when to nominate it two. Sometimes you're going to
nominate it two and people just aren't going to want
to bid three, so you saved yourself some money. And
if they do bid three, you know you don't care.
And sometimes think about like this, like let's say that

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you roster James Cook and you're in a league that's
pretty deep and you want to make sure that you
get Ray Davis, because if Cook goes down or holds
out or gets traded or whatever, you want to have
Ray Davis. Now you have three bucks left, and another
player in the room who wants to bid against you
has four dollars left. But they need two players, so
they can only bid for three dollars as well. You

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have to know all that. You have to know, well,
they need two players, and they have four bucks, they
can bid up to three. You got to know that
exact thing. If you see four dollars, you may think
in your head they can spend four dollars. Well, no,
they can't. And so Ray Davis comes up. And if
somebody nominates Davis before you get the chance to and
they nominate him for a dollar and you say two,
you've made a huge mistake because the other player can

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bid three, and then you're done because you've only got
three bucks. If you say three, you may think, oh,
well they can bid four. No they can because they
need two players. If you don't know all that stuff,
you make a critical end game decision. You lose out
on backing up Cook with a guy who showed that
he can handle the load when they gave him the
chance last year and the game that he played when

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Cook was out. That's a massive turning point in your
season possibly if you make that poor decision because you
have poor information in front of you. The endgame is important,
so don't underestimate the profit you get from spotting when
you're into the endgame and spotting the shifting of the
stages and the auction. All right, So Number one, do
know the stages of an auction, and don't underestimate the

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profit you get from spotting the shifting of those stages,
all right. Not all of them are going to be
that long. That's why I started with that one, but
I think it's a critical one. Number two, we're going
to get more lightning this year, right, because that's what
I'm capable of, right all right? Number two, do spend
some time thinking over your league personality before you draft,

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and don't try to force your will in those drafts.
Now you think, why do those go together? Because this
is mostly a home league comment. A lot of times
you're going to be in a league with people that
you don't know them, and so this just doesn't apply
to you. But if you know your home league, I
get tons of questions folks, believe it or not. If
you're listening to this, you're in the industry. There's not

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many folks that are in the industry that listen to
the show. You tend to think that all leagues out
there are just leagues of strangers that you're online just
doing an auction with strangers. Yeah, that happens sometimes, but
the majority of the people that come to me for
advice are people that are asking about their home leagues.
So this is super important. Do spend time thinking over

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your league personality before your draft, and then don't try
to force your will in these drafts because people are
going to do what they're going to do. They are
paying attention to you far less than you think they are.
I always give the example of whenever I'm at a
poker table with a really strong hand and I tend
to just like bet the shit out of it. Okay,

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I just bet it so hard because I don't want
anybody to call me, and if they do, I want
them to have to play for most of their stack,
or I want them to have to pay to see
their draws. So, you know, a lot of times I'll
pick up a pair of aces and I'll make a
big raised pre flop and then you know, I get
a call and the flops like King seven to three,
and I make a big bet on the flop and
the person calls, and then the turn's like a four,

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so it's not King seven and three four, and I'm like,
well that's not that's not bad for my aces. I
got to get get it all in here, so I'll
shove all in on the turn and the player calls
and they flip up an ace and a seven, and
You're like, what the hell are you doing? It's King
seven four to three board and all I've shown you
is how strong I am, And you think your pair
of sevens is good, and then you know a lot
of times what comes out of their mouth, Oh, I

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thought you were bluffing, Like which part of that was bluffing?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I was.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I raised a bunch of pre flop, I made a
big bet on the flop, and then I shoved all
in on the turn. You can't possibly show more strength
than that, and that's what's going to happen in your
auction draft rooms and you're homely. People do what they're
going to do, and you're not going to be able
to change their attitude about things. You're not going to
be able to change their personality on how they approach
their auction. They're just going to do it okay, and

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you have to adjust. You can't be the one trying
to force that. So what you have to do is
spend time thinking about what is the personality in my room.
I'll give you two quick examples and then we can
move on to number three. The first is the King's Classic.
I've said this before. They hate quarterbacks. Why is that.
I'm in a room with a bunch of analysts. This
is a bunch of high level fantasy players, and what

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do analysts do. They love to play quarterback chicken. They
love to sit back and see how little they can
pay for a quarterback or how long they can wait
until they draft their quarterback. That's what they do. You
know what else they love, well, they hate quarterbacks. You
know what they love. They love rookies. They love rookies.
Rookies get pushed up the board. Rookies are more expensive.

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That's the personality of the league. You have to know
that when you're making up your party's spend time thinking
over league personality. The other one I'll note is I've
said this before, or my home league, my longtime home league.
They're just shy about the unknown. They don't like to
invest in players that haven't proven that they can do it.
I don't think that's a bad way to go through

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life in general and to go through your fantasy drafts,
but that's the personality of that league. I'm going to
be able to get a better deal on unknown players,
players that have switched teams and haven't necessarily ever done
it before, or players that switch teams like last year,
say Kwon Barkley and Dereck Henry were too cheap. This
home league shies away from the unknown factor that into

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your preparation. So do spend time thinking over the league
personality before the draft, and don't try to force your
will in those home league drafts. Number three is an
easy one. Do remain always aggressive and unpredictable, but don't
let it ruin your auction. That is so so key,
because I feel like two summers ago, I push this

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idea on you guys, relentlessly. Pressure pressure, pressure, push people.
That's how you get them to make mistakes. We want
other people in the room to make mistakes, and that's
why I was talking about bid quickly if you can,
and constantly be bidding and pushing the price up. If
somebody calls out, say Kwon Barkley, you know he's not
going for thirty four dollars in your draft, so say

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thirty bucks. Okay. Don't let people go eight, nine, ten.
That gives them time to think about whether or not
they want the player and what they're going to spend
on them. Say thirty get it up there quick. The
pressure is the important part. You want to have them
make mistakes, and you do that through pressure, aggressiveness and
also being unpredictable. And when you're going to stop bidding,

(34:35):
when you're going to start bidding, who you're going to nominate,
all that stuff. You guys know all that stuff, right,
Be aggressive, be unpredictable. But the caveat to this is
super important. Don't do those things if you're new and
uncomfortable with how to handle them. I would rather have
you be passive, hang out, don't put in bids until
you're ready to do it and have a good auction.

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Then I would have you go in there like animal,
like raw aha and the whoops. I have three RB
one's for fifty dollars Okay, don't don't ruin your auction.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
You don't have to do every one of these things
that I tell you all summer long, in every single auction.
You just need to start incorporating them into your toolkit.
And the more you do them, and like, just try
it once. Hey, I'm not very good at this, but
try it once. I'm not very good at this. Try it,
you know, try it again. The more you do it,
the more comfortable you get with doing it, and the

(35:28):
more comfortable you get with hey, I know how to
handle that tool. And if you don't know how to
handle that tool in your tool belt, then just relax.
Just relax and work on drafting and work on putting
your team together and all that other stuff will come. Okay,
so remain aggressive and unpredictable, but don't do it at
the expense of ruining your auction, all right. That's number three.

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Number four, Do remember sometimes to shut the f up.
I saw funny meme the other day and the guy
was like, you know what you can do sometimes is
you can take your bottom lip and you can put
it up and kind of like press it against your toplip,
and then that allows you to shut the f up.

(36:09):
Silence is golden sometimes, folks. I know, I tell you
bid all the time, and I just told you in
number three, keep bidding, be aggressive, But sometimes silence is golden,
and sometimes that's the way to do it later on
the draft. And the other thing I want to talk
about this is this, sometimes when you're silent, you're going
to end up sticking somebody with a player that they
didn't want. And that's, after all, one of the goals

(36:32):
of doing auction drafting. It's really frustrating to me. The
other night I saw it in the in the mack
I did the other night, where somebody was bidding on
a second tight end, I believe, and they already had
brock Powers on their team, and I thought, well, why
are you bidding all that money? And then I realized, like,
I'm just gonna sit here and hopefully somebody's going to
stick them. Sometimes you're going to allow them to have

(36:53):
a player that's actually some kind of a deal because
you decide to stick them. Sometimes it's better to just
let them have a little bit of a deal in
order to take them out of the running in that auction.
I see it all the time where somebody already has
Lamar Jackson on their team, and then Jalen Hurts comes
up and it stops at twelve bucks and they're like thirteen.
It's like, okay, well, you spent twenty seven on Lamar Jackson.

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Do you really want to spend thirteen on Jalen Hurts?
And if you're smart in that room, it's annoying to
let Hurts go for thirteen bucks, But don't say fourteen.
Don't bail them out. Let him spend forty dollars on
two quarterbacks. You can only start one of them every week.
I'm assuming it's not a superflex. You can only start
one of them. Why would you bail that person out,
even if they're getting a deal, Like, well, I don't

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want to let them, you know, Hurts go for thirteen,
I mean I pay fourteen. Okay, well that's your choice.
But sometimes it's best to just shut the f up.
So do remember sometimes to be quiet, and don't forget
that building your image in the room is actually positive
expected value. Sometimes you want to play off shutting up
with your wild image that you want to build early

(37:57):
in the draft that I just talked about. Number three,
you want to be aggressive and unpredictable, and you want
to build that image. You don't have to land a
bunch of players to build that image. Okay, you want
to just put out the image that you're aggressive, that
you're unpredictable, all while not really landing anybody. You're putting
the pressure on, but you're really not building your roster yet.

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You want to be the guy that's pushing the room,
that's pushing the pace, that's pushing the pressure while not
really actually landing too many players early in the draft.
But then the later in the draft that you go,
you want to remember the value of just being quiet
sometimes because like I said, you don't number one always
want to be the enforcer. I said that last week,
and number two. Silence helps you the later that you

(38:41):
get into the draft because things get more dicey, the
dollars become more scarce, Bidding on players becomes more of
a gamble. So early in the draft, build that image.
Don't forget that building your image is positive, ev, But
do remember that sometimes shutting the f up is what
you need to be doing. All right, let's go on
to number five. Number five is a big one for me,

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and it's a short one, but it's a big one.
Don't worry about what your prices are going to look
like after the draft to show people to put on
Twitter to talk about what a great deal you got.
But do remember to aggressively spend if you waited too
long to get into the draft. These two things are

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critically important and they are related to each other. Don't
worry about what your prices are going to look like
when you post on Twitter. Do aggressively spend if you
waited too long to get involved. That happens a lot, folks.
It happens to me all the time, where I'm just like,
I just waited a touch too long to get in
and get my top player or my second best player.
And then you're sitting there and you're like, well, I

(39:45):
don't want to pay that for that player, and I'm
not paying that for that player. And pretty soon you
say that long enough that there's a bunch of wide
receiver threes left or running back threes left, and you
don't have a two. I think a lot of times
there is a weird sort of like knee to feel like, hey,
I got a deal on every player. Let me disabuse
you of that notion. First of all, you're not going
to get a deal on the top level player, so

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don't worry about that. And then after that, if you
waited too long. I've said this over and over, but
I got to say it again. It doesn't matter what
you pay if it allows you to land impact players.
So the later you get in your draft you realize,
oh crap, I didn't get involved early enough, and now
the best possible player on the board is Jamison Williams.
Well you end up over spending on Jamison Williams. He's

(40:28):
a fourteen dollars player. You end up spending twenty six bucks.
Does it matter? Well, no, because you have to get
impact players aggressively spend your money. If you waited too
long and just because you're overpaying, it doesn't matter. Why
do you care. The point is to land players. The
point is not to walk out and be like, look
at the value I got. The point is to put

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together a good roster, right, don't lose the plot of
the story. The plot of the story is put together
a great team, not I want to go brag about
all the deals I got. We're trying to win at
fantasy football. And sometimes I'm guilty of that because especially
because I'm auction guy, and I know I'm gonna have
to post my team after the draft, like, I don't
want to spend that for that guy. I don't want

(41:09):
to spend that for that guy. I don't want to
spend that for that guy. And then I sort of
just talk myself out of a bunch of players I
probably should have landed. Don't worry about what your prices
are going to look like after the fact, but do
aggressively spend if there are players on the board that
you could spend for. Even if you're over spending, don't
worry about that. Get the players. The goal is to
land the team that can win, not to have it

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look pretty when you're done. All right, that's number five.
Let's get on to number six. This is also a
big one, and this is sort of like an endgame thing.
Like number five was sort of an endgame thing, because
the lader you get, the more you're gonna feel like
I don't want to spend that, But then the player
pool gets thinner and thinner, and number six is the
same thing, and number seven sort of endgame as well.
So five, six, and seven apply more to the end

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of the draft. But number six is don't forget that
the lader you get in the drafts spots are currency,
and do take advantage of this by watching other people's
rosters and letting them fill their rosters with mediocre players.
There is a problem that people have in a draft
that I've tried to warn you about. Over and over.

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People see a deal and they can't pass up a deal, like,
oh my gosh, that guy's going way too cheap. Does
it matter if you don't need that player, or if
you don't want to spend the money on that right
now because you're saving it for something else. Does it
matter if they're getting a deal? You feel like it matters.
It bothers you that they're getting a deal. But you
can't take every deal. Okay, somebody gets a deal, Oh well, congrats,

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congrats to them. They profited. You couldn't do anything about it.
Don't open your mouth. Refer to number four sometimes just
be quiet. Don't open your mouth on every deal, because
then you're going to fill your roster with mediocre players.
So don't forget that the lady you get, the roster
spots you have themselves become currency, and take advantage of
that by letting other people fill their rosters with mediocre players.

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They call out somebody like Matthew Golden, like, I think
he can be fine, I think he could be explosive, whatever.
I just don't trust that the Packers are gonna give
any of their receivers enough targets for any of them
to be super exciting for fantasy. So let's say that
that's your opinion that he's just gonna be a mediocre,
frustrating player who's gonna have big weeks and then you're

(43:21):
gonna stick him in your lineup, but he's gonna have
a bad week. You're not in on Matthew Golden. Somebody
calls him out and the bidding stops at three bucks.
It's like, oh, man, an explosive player. I could bid
four Like who cares? Stop, it's a deal, but who cares?
That's not good for you, that's not what you want.
Let somebody else land that player that you think that

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you thought of before the draft was pretty mediocre player.
Let them take him. That's their roster spots filled. Now.
Now they got to go and figure out, Okay, what
am I gonna do now that I have six wide receivers?
Am I gonna take a seventh wide receiver. I was
planning on taking a fifth running back, but now I
fill this roster spot up with this mediocre player. Let
them deal with that, all right, So don't forget that.
Later in the draft, roster spots our currency, and do

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take advantage of this by letting other people roster mediocre
players and get used to the idea. You're just gonna
see deals go by. There's nothing you can do about it.
Don't worry about it. Congrats to the other player if
they got a deal. You know a lot of times
this is going to happen in the onesie positions. And
I talk about this a lot with the respect to quarterbacks,
but it happens at both quarterback and tight end. Having

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your roster flexibility is more important than trying to enforce
some deal, and the onesie positions are are This is
really common to see something like this happen later in
the draft. You're in a twelve team league. Most of
the people in the draft have their starters already, and
most of the people in the draft are set at quarterback,
and all the top players essentially are off the board

(44:46):
except for Patrick Mahomes, who hasn't been called out yet.
Somebody calls them out and the bidding stops at six bucks.
Now that's kind of annoying, right, because he should be
more than six dollars, And that's what happened in my
auction the other night. He should be more than six bucks, right.
But if you already have your starting quarterback, is it
worth it for you to burn seven dollars to price

(45:06):
and force and hope that the other person says eight. No,
it's not really, And that's sometimes what we see in
the onesie positions. The market really bottoms out near the
end of the middle to the middle late part of
the draft because most people have their starter and they're
only looking for a backup and they don't want to
pay seven dollars for their starter. So oftentimes you're going

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to get the market completely bottom out on the onesie positions.
Don't forget about that. And that's why your roster spots
are so important. That's why the currency is so important.
If you bid seven dollars on my homes and you
have limited roster spots and then you get stuck with them, Okay,
maybe that's great because your first quarterback was a two
dollars block party. Now you got mahomes you essentially upgraded,

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but you've wasted a roster spot now, and so now
you can't take that fifth running back. You can't take
that running back handcuff. You can't take that wide receiver
five that you're excited about, or that tight end too
to back up your shaky type one. You've burned a
roster spot. Remember that's important. The final one of my
seven auction dues and don'ts do remember your killer mentality

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in an auction this is not a snake draft. You
will be in conflict and you must have a killer mentality.
Do remember your killer mentality, but don't underestimate the value
of finishing an auction with that killer of mentality. This
is so important because it's hard to transition from snake

(46:31):
drafts to auction drafts, and if you're new to this,
you're not used to the conflict that's happening all around
you throughout the entire draft. You have to change your mindset.
In a snake you're in a room with other people,
but you're not really in conflict with them. Yeah, sure,
somebody may pick a player ahead of you, but there's
no direct competition there because all you have to do
is sit there and let it happen, and then you

(46:51):
pick your player. That's not auctions, you can do something
about it. Somebody's getting a player that you really wanted,
you can bid against them. There is an element there
that requires you to have a different aggressive personality when
you get in an auction room. I'm not saying you
have to be a jerk, but you have to be aggressive,
and you have to understand there is conflict. I struggle
with this all the time, all the time, because I'm

(47:13):
just naturally a laid back, nice person that just wants
people to be happy, you know, and so I struggle
with this. I struggle with the conflict part of it.
But you have to have a killer instinct in the
draft room, and this translates into the endgame really strongly.
You have to remember that finishing your draft the way
you want can be the difference in building a championship

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squad or building a team that's going to go seven
and seven in the regular season and losing the first
round of the playoffs. There is a big difference between
teams that know how to finish the last thirty percent
of an auction and teams that don't. I remember the
other night that I had Aaron Jones as my RB three,
and I really wanted to lock up Jordan Mason because
I think Jones has a ton of NFL touches. I

(47:57):
like him as a player, but I think that having
both of those guys will be nice to have on
my bench on a redraft team. So I was hanging
out with the most money near the end of the draft.
I thought I was gonna get Jordan Mason pretty cheap
because nobody had any money left except one person. Chad
had money left, and he just happens to be a
Vikings fan, right. I didn't really think about it that much,

(48:19):
which er big mistake for Drew because that's one of
the things I teach everybody be aware of that stuff.
I should have known he had money, he likes the Vikings,
He's aware of Jordan Mason. I was gonna have a
fight on my hands. I didn't think about it. Mistake
because I had eleven bucks left. He had ten bucks left.
I had to spend eleven dollars on Jordan Mason. Now
that's a huge overpay. He's a four dollars player. He

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may be a five dollars player by the time we're drafting.
Maybe six, but I probably paid double or triple what
I should have paid for Jordan Mason. But you know what,
I don't care. I don't care that I spent all
that money. I finished the way I wanted to finish. Now,
this is a mock, but if I was playing it out,
I would have been pissed if I left that room
with Aaron Jones and not Jordan Mason, because I don't
have a time of faith that Jones is going to

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make it through the season, and I don't have a
ton of faith that I know what the split's going
to be there in Minnesota. So I wanted both of them.
And again, I know it's a mox. I didn't have
to really worry about it that much, but I tried
to do these boks like I'm going to play the
league out, and that's what you know, That's what I did.
So the end game is important. The value of finishing
your roster is absolutely just priceless. And I can't even

(49:23):
say how important it is because a lot of times
you get to the end and you think to yourself, well,
you know, I've got most of my players. I'll take
a couple of flyers and be done. Well, why do
that if there's an opportunity on the board for better players,
or more explosive players, or arbitrage plays of players who
are in murky situations that could emerge. Why throw away

(49:43):
the end game just because you're pretty satisfied with your
team so far. If your team's an eight and a
half out of ten right now, but you can finish
and make it a nine out of ten, or a
nine and a half out of ten or a ten
out of ten, why wouldn't you do that? These two
things are really important. Remember your killer mentality and apply
that to the end of the draft. Don't underestimate how

(50:04):
important it is to finish your auction strong and finish
with the killer mentality, to lock up every single iota
of talent still left on the board and keep it
away from your league. Meets Okay, well that's it. That's
my seven auction dues and don'ts. Like I said, none
of these really relate to each other. A whole lot
of the last couple, like I said, are endgame stuff.
But these are just things I've been wanting to say,

(50:25):
things I want you to know and remember, and I
hope that these are going to help you in your
auction draft rooms. So let's get on to discussing some
specific players and talking about some value propositions in your
fantasy drafts with my buddy John Dagel. Let's get on
to discussions with Drew.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Time for discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
brightest minds in the fantasy industry.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew. Our guest for
this week is John Deagel from Establishing the Run. You
can find him over on Twitter at not j Daegel,
not j daig L. E find him over there on Twitter.
I'll let him get his other socials out there as well.
And I have to say in your profile, Emmy Award winner,

(51:15):
FSWA Award winner, that's some impressive stuff there. Welcome to
the show man.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Both efforts were team wins as well, which makes me
feel even better about it. The FSWA Award for the
Industry coming during the pandemic year when myself, Josh Norris
and the Rotal World team won Best Podcast and that
feels like the Bubble NBA Championship where there may be
an asterix on it, but we were very proud because

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we were still one of the few companies churning away
every single day, questioning why we have an existence when
like nurses are losing their jobs and everything.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
But we want to podcast that year. So still proud
of it.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, you and the Lakers, all right, very nice. Well
that's cool stuff, man, that's not something laugh about the jokes,
but that's very accomplished stuff. And of course that's why
I love having you on the show. I know that
you're going to make our audience smarter. So headed back
to Canton in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
I am, and I think I was initially questioning it,
but one got bullied by our friend Jag Zachareson to
come back since I only get to see him once
a year despite being one of my good friends.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And then also rich Reebar who was on this show previously.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
The listeners know is basically like a brother, like we
are family, like I take family trips with him and
his wife and children. We know each other very well,
and I get to see him only two or three
times a year as well the Ohio cru yourself included,
and so I'm gonna make like a two week trip
out of it and just go work from his house
and then also go to Canton with him and then

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go back spend some time with his family, and then
come back to Chicago and continue diving into the weeds
for the regular season.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
That sounds like a lot of fun. I don't see
rich enough, and the fact that he's only three and
a half hours away and I don't see him very
often kind of it stinks, and I gotta make more
of an effort in that regard. He's invited me and
my wife to come up there and stay. I've never
met his wife or family, so gosh, I need to
do that. So that sounds like a lot of fun.

(53:16):
But I'm glad you were bullied into going because I
will enjoy seeing you as well. I don't think i've
seen you. It's been over a year. I think it's been.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
A little bit family issues at one point, and then
let's see I guess last year that was last year
and this year really, I just haven't had a chance
to make it back out. I was invited to put
In Bay, as everyone knows in Ohio as well Party
Central World.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Oh yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yes, this will be my first time back in Ohio
in three years. So Olio welcomes you back.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You and Ian Harden's and Chris Allen, the entire Ohio crew.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yes, yes, well, we're excited to have you. I'm pumped
to get back to Canton and the fact that you're
going that makes me happy as well. Before we get
into making our audience a little bit smarter for their
fantasy drafts, what are you working on right now that
you want some eyes on and any other socials that
I might have missed that you want to put out

(54:11):
there everything.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Jesus that time of the year where I'm cranking out
team previews that have updated ADP analysis for everyone at
Establish the Run. Just helped knock out some stuff on Silva's.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Redraft tears as.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Well, and from that we'll be spinning two more podcast
and have a couple of announcements for the end season
package coming up here at the first week of August.
So I would say just stay tuned for Established the Run,
including the free Established the Run podcast feed, and then,
of course, if you're already subscribed, you will see my
name all over that site at this time.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
All right, Yeah, good over there and check out his work.
And like I said, not Jaye Dago over there on
Twitter you can find him there as well. So John's
always putting out good content. And I got to say,
every time I look up, I think I see his
face on a podcast somewhere. He does great work, and
there's a reason that people keep inviting him on shows.

(55:06):
And that's the reason I invited him on this show
because I have a couple of different topics I want
to get to today that just sort of bug me
a lot of times when I'm going through my preparation
and I'm hoping you can help us out with him.
The first one is, and I'm not sure who coined
this phrase. I always attributed to Sigmund Bloom, but who knows.
The assumption of rational coaching is a dangerous thing this

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time of year. Assuming that certain coaches are going to
do certain things can often get you in trouble. So
I've got a couple different situations I want to ask
you about and see whether or not you think that
we can count on certain personalities from these coaching staffs.
And the first one is the Dallas Cowboys. It sure
seems like that run game is going to be absolutely terrible.

(55:52):
And I was tipped off to this topic not only
because there was an internal discussion at football guys. But
I saw your tweet the other day when you said,
and if you're wanting to know who to draft in
that backfield, the answer is really just to draft the
parts of the passing game. I don't disagree with this,
but we've had a really spirited discussion that football guys.

(56:13):
How about the fact that this coaching staff wants to
run the football. They've been saying they want to run
the football, but I know in the offseason you can
say things and they don't actually happen because you're not
capable of doing it. Are we too low on their
running backs based on what the coaches are saying, or
do we just think, hey, they're going to get into
the regular season, they're not going to be able to
run the ball, so they're going to have to throw.

(56:34):
What's your opinion on the Cowboys' coaching staff and what
do you think they're going to want to.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Do right now?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
The backfield is entirely ambiguous between Javonta and Williams Mouth Sanders,
who were splitting first team reps, and then Jaden Blue,
who we just know nothing about. Excelled as a pass
catcher in college but also played behind for whatever you
think about these guys. They are all NFL players, and
Roshawn Johnson, Jonathan Brooks, and the King himself, John Robinson.

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So we just haven't seen Jayden Blue have an opportunity
to get touches at all, but the fact that he
does have multiple outs will probably still have me suggesting
him as a last yeround pick and home leagues come
late August. But the point is that Brian Schottenheimer, remember
was fired from Seattle because he established the.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Let Russ Cook movement.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
He is the one who initially had them passing heavily
until until Pete Carroll had to strip him of play
calling just to run the ball more because the offensive
line was very faltered. Russ, I believe at that time,
was leading the league in hits as well, and he
was just taking way too much damage headed into the postseason.
Having said that, the angle I've still come from it

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is that one, I'm not too interested in their running backs.
I understand some may give you floor value, but I
don't think they're going to help you, like win your
home league, especially in the rounds they go. Javonte Williams included,
we're looking for ceiling picks because again we can turn
our rosters. We're not too worried about a failing pick
and home leagues, and I do not think any of
those guys are really winning picks. But again, Jayden Blue,

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the ADP in the last round, totally fine accepting it.
We can always cut them off a couple of weeks
if it doesn't pay off.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
The angle I'm.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Coming from though, is that for the Cowboys, they had
been pass heavy and they have been a successful team
whenever Dak Prescott has been healthy, and these six years
he's completed.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
They haven't won less than eight games in any of
those seasons.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And we look at stats around this time of the
year that are sticky that will roll over from year
to year or just naturally regress. Touchdown rate Fantasy points
per game, two obvious stats that we've done all the
work for years now on quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
These are two numbers we should always pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
And we are talking about Dak Prescott coming off career
lows and touchdown RT and fantasy points per game when
just removed last year go back to twenty twenty three,
led the league with thirty six touchdown passes and finished
second in a VMP voting behind Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
My prediction for twenty twenty six that.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
No one cares about is that there will actually be
a movement of cultural coaches, similar to when Sean McVay
broke out in the scenes for the Rams and then
there was a movement of the Kevin o'connells of the world,
and that everyone was just trying to blindly hire young
offensive play callers rather than focusing on defensive coaches.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I think the.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Top the Cowboys are so top heavy when they are
all healthy, and this includes Ceedee Lamb, who last you remember,
wasn't fully conditioned, not the same player at all. With
just seventeen fantasy points per game twenty twenty three, he
averages literally six more twenty three point one per game,
and he's already been at offseason workouts this year, not
to mention Dak Prescott having arguably the best second wide

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receiver of his entire career. I think you have to
go back to rookie year Michael Gallup to find the
next best guy outside of George Pickens. But all of
these guys are so top heavy against a softer schedule
this season that Brian Schottenheimer is going to come across smart.
I do not think he is. I actually think he's
a terrible endgame manager and Xu's nose guy. But it
doesn't matter in the NFL chases its tail every single year.

(01:00:01):
So twenty twenty six the year of cultural coaches, because
in bringing the ping pong table into the locker room
and taking the guys up a dinner into paintball contest,
that's who Brian shot Darbory is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
He's just a guys guy, and I bet we see
a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Because again, I think the Cowboys passing game for fantasy
is going to absolutely thrive this year, so much so
that I do think Ceedee Lamb should be a confident
pick over Justin Jefferson for that wide receiver one wide
receiver two argument.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I've been hearing some discussion about that recently, and
I think Pat Thorman's been on that as well recently,
just talking about the fact that are we comfortable with
Jefferson over Lamb? And it's a compelling argument I tend
to agree. Okay, Well, excellent breakdown on the Cowboys there.
What about the Los Angeles Chargers? You know, I actually

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tweeted this out this morning. They came out of the
gates trying to do I think what they wanted to do,
which is to run the ball as much as as possible.
They averaged twenty two point eight passing attempts per game
in the first month of the season. They had their
Week five by I think they did some self scouting.
They realized the run game was pretty inefficient, and they

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come out of the bye week and averaged over thirty
three attempts per game the rest of the season. It
seems to me that although they threw the ball out
of need at the end of last year, I think
they want to run the ball. They sign mackay beck Din,
they signed Najie Eiris, they drafted mari and Hampton. They
are what they are in their own heads. Do you

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think that this team looks more like the first month
of twenty twenty four or do you think it falls
somewhere in the middle. How do you see their run
splits shaping up in this campaign?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
They lived long enough to see themselves become the villain
and going into that playoff game losing their identity entirely,
and Justin Herbert throwing four picks against the Texans and
in a beat down. I think once they saw that
compared to how they performed the first month. That's who
they wanted to be, which is why they then went
to the offseason and signing Makai Becton to play tackle,

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drafting the running back in the first round of Mary
and Hampton, making a splash signing and Nage Harris, and
letting more importantly JK. Dobbins and Gus Edwards, who led
them and carries one and two, the only two players
in that team with over one hundred carries, just letting
them walk because they knew they couldn't run the ball
with them. Go back to that first month of the
season that you referenced, and the Chargers were to add
more context fit the neutral run rate, soft matchups in

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the first two weeks against the Raiders and Panthers, But
nonetheless JK.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Dobbins was explosive after they're by.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Though just twenty seventh a neutral run rate, And it's
because for as good of a story as JK. Dobbins
was for fantasy, he just masked his inefficiency with touchdowns.
That's it, because that's how you get by if you're
not performing well and you look at all the advanced
metrics and shedding tackles explosiveness. He was very bad in
the second half of the season, and I think that's
just because he hadn't handled that many touches in several

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years and it just wore his body down over the
course of the season, which is again, is why they
said we have to have another player at running back,
because we can make this work if we want it to,
and we know that's who Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman
want to be. So yes, I also believe they're coming
at it from the angle of wanting to be one
of the run heaviest defenses in the entire league and
depend on their defense to help them get by. And

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that's why Nausea Harris, who's definitely going to be a
roadblock for a Margon Hampton, but a Margan Hampton as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
These two players are so important.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
The target tree behind Lad McConkie's interesting because Quintin Johnson
having first round capital and seeing his ADP last offseason
sink all the way to the back end because he
was so poor as a rookie, Like it's just a
stock marker, right, we should have said this guy was
still a first round wide receiver. You can now take
with your last pick. You should just do it. It's
a new coach who knows what's going to happen. Maybe

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they use them differently because like Chase Claypool, for example,
a lot of the times coaches bad coaches see big,
fast wide receivers and immediately think they're going to pigeonhole
them downfield. But you go back to Tea and Quintin
Johnston was one of the worst downfield receivers in the
entire league.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
That's not how he was used.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I've always camped him to big Brandon Au because he's
someone who should get intermediate catches over the middle of
the field, and you allow him to work upfield. Similar
to hal Chase Claypool, his best seasons came when they
manufactured his touches behind the line of scrimmage, not letting
him go downfield and try for more contested catches. So
maybe Quinton Johnson having that successful year with seven touchdowns

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does open the year in two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Wide receiver sets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
But the guy I'm still banking on in home leagues
because again, we can take them, we can stash them,
or if you're not comfortable and need the roster space,
simply cut them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
If they don't break out in the first half of
the season is Trey Harris, who has nice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Day two capital and if you just go back and look,
I tweeted this as well. At Trey Harris's twenty twenty
four game logs before he was injured, they look like
prime Julio Jones. He was an absolute monster, but also
last year led the nation and yards per route run
against man coverage, which I know some people don't believe in,
but to me, although it is somewhat sticky, not as

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you know, are squared as the nerds want it to be,
but to me, it just tells you that if this
guy gets one on one, he can beat you in
the NFL, and I like that as a good start.
Plus again, the questionable competition at wide receiver two, So yes,
Lad McConkey and that third tier of wide receivers and
home leagues behind aj Brown right before you start taking
Terry mccluir and Mike Evans the tier I'm fading practically,

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But more importantly, Trey Harris is going to be one
of my favorite sleepers in season long leagues on the
entire season, despite the fact that I do think the
Chargers want to come out and run the ball heavily.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
So you still feel like there's going to be enough
there to support some other pass catchers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
I do, And for Hampton, I think that's the interesting
question because if the nausea hairs injury, which we still
really don't know anything about, he's training at the facility,
so we.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Don't think it's too serious.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
But even if Hampton were to break out in the
second half of the season, we're asking ourselves what should
his ADP be. If Naji Harris were not a thing, Hampton,
in my opinion, should be shoved up there with Derrick
Henry Ashton gent right behind the Christian McCaffrey tier. But
if Harris is there, again, the reason they signed him
who he wants to be as a player, since he's

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never missed a game for injury. He's just a guy
who does just enough right, doesn't excel at anything, but
does just enough right and coaches love him for his
blocking ability that he's going to be a roadblock even
for a run heavy team. So Hampton, I do think,
then should go behind Chase Brown. As it stands. Again,
our friend JJ Zacharieson has done amazing work in his
late Round guide and he even pointed out in that

(01:06:40):
guide that Greg Roman's offenses in the ten years he's
been an offensive coordinator have never finished any higher than
nineteenth and running back target rate, so we naturally don't
think the running backs in LA are going to get
targets either, which then drags Hampton's stock down since that's
how you have to reach a ceiling to get that
first second round ADP all a concern, yes, but the

(01:07:01):
fact that it's just a natural fit for a workhorse
like Hampton who had two thousand yards for scrimmage and
back to back years. I think it is just someone
I'm still going to be higher on despite what the
stats say.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, JJ came on last week and said, oh average,
Yeah he did. He's fantastic. And I also have the
late round draft guide. I pimped it last week and
I'll say it again, it's awesome if anybody wants to
get it. But he pointed out that Roman's offenses their
average finish and target share to running backs was like

(01:07:32):
twenty seventh or something like that, so just, yeah, not
inspiring stuff. However, I still am bullish on Hampton. The
whole thing with Harris is super weird at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I wonder when we're gonna hear something about that. But
all right, let's move on to the Las Vegas Raiders,
because you mentioned Schottenheimer and Carol earlier, and it sure
seems like Carrol is going to come into Las Vegas
and do what he did in Seattle, which is attempt
to run the ball as much as possible. They draft
Ashton Genty and I'm a little bit I'm wondering a

(01:08:05):
little bit about Brock Bowers. Do we see any pullback
from Bowers this year because of offensive philosophy or do
we not need Is that splitting hairs a little bit
too much? Do we not need to be worried about that?
How do you think the Raiders are going to run
their offense?

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I believe, like the Jets and the Chargers, they want
to be run heavy under Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly.
That's who Chip Kelly has been as a play caller
going back to Philadelphia UCLA, last year's national championship team
that you're very aware of. That's who they want to
be with RPOs and wide zone runs. Having said that,
unlike the Chargers and Jets, there is not a single

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elite piece outside of Max Crosby that plays on the
Raiders defense, and even he couldn't make a difference last
year because the secondary is atrocious. And so although Pete
Carroll gets his calling card from being an elite DB's coach,
I don't think they're going to be allowed the Raiders
to run as much as they like, because they're going
to be in, in my opinion, much more high tempo
game scripts, which naturally makes Gino Smith one of those

(01:09:05):
cheap buys and auctions and even a terrific QB three
in super flex leagues since.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
He's being left for dead.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Last year, ESPN charted the Raiders who have made some additions.
It might not be upgrades, but they've made additions to
their offensive line, and ESPN chartered their past block win
rate at seventeenth, whereas Seattle's was twenty first. And we
know Geno Smith is one of those guys like Matthew
Stafford where and Joe Flacco where the lights go on
and off depending on if they're under pressure and from

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a clean pocket, at least if we're assuming better protection
for Gino Smith seventh and yards per tenth last season,
fourteen touchdowns to only two turnovers, from a clean pocket
when he was allowed to stand upright. Not only that,
but eighty four percent of Will Howard's carries last year
for that national championship team were designed. They were charted
as designed by Pro Football Focus under Kelly, So we

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assumed Geno Smith being a mobile quarterback, he can also
add some rushing points juice for us in those late
rounds and fantasy leagues. So yeah, I think they're going
to have to pass more, which naturally makes Jakobe Myers
a buy because they're going to offer a terrific floor,
a twenty six percent target share without DeVante Adams to
brock Bowers thirty percent. Pretty close, honestly, given how Myers

(01:10:18):
is being treated in the in round eight or ten,
brock Bowers who's being drafted at the first second round turn.
And that's also the angle I'm coming from for home leagues.
And I hate to do this because last year I
was the fada CJ Strowd guy when everyone had CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Stroud tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
But it's just a matter of remembering we're still playing
a game, like I'm trying to solve a game, not
knocking players. And so brock Bowers love is a player
hate to even make this argument, but we are talking
about a tight end who did not separate last year
as great as he was still tied as the tide
end one. And for that kind of adp to go
a full round ahead of Trade McBride, to go two

(01:10:55):
to three full rounds ahead of George Kittle, he has
to separate. Historically on outside of Travis Kelcey a few
years ago, no tight end separates because the position is
so volatile.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
And so when you're talking about having.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
To draft Bock Bowers over AJ Brown, Derrick, Henry dvon
A Chan, Bucky Irving, like those guys, I'm going to
take those guys every time because they give me depth
and make me stronger at a position rather than a
onesie spot where I think I can still get value.
So I'm going to be drafting the elite tight end

(01:11:28):
tier in McBride and George Kittle in most leagues because
in my opinion, they offer value, whereas I question if
Brock Bowers can truly separate at that volatile spot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah, I've been hearing the conversation about Bowers, specifically our
friend Andrew Cooper talking a little bit about what the
value is to drafting him that early, and he pretty
much came to the conclusion that that was the wrong play.
That the points that you get at the tight end position.
People have been arguing that that is a difference makerun

(01:11:59):
the r he I think proved that wrong with some
of his conclusions, which I really appreciated seeing that stuff.
So I think you're in good company there with that comment.
So all right, one more situation with coaching, and then
I want to move on to talking a little bit
about some guys that blew up in twenty twenty four
and whether or not we can expect that again in

(01:12:20):
twenty twenty five. But the last situation with coaching is
I want to talk about Kevin Stefanski because the Cleveland
Browns threw the ball in a lot last year. They
were first in the league. It's sixty eight point three
percent pass rate. But they go out and they draft
quin Shawn Jenkins, and we know from Stefanski's history he
isn't necessarily a guy that wants to throw the ball

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seventy percent of the time. He wants to run the ball,
he wants to play off the play action. Do you
think that they're going to get back to a little
bit more about what he likes to do. Now that
they don't have to worry about Deshaun Watson, what do
you think the Cleveland Brown's offense shapes up like this season?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
It may even be what they want to do with
Deshaun Watson, but we're not allowed to do since their
offense has been so bad. And that's the concern, is
that nothing has really changed for the offense. Yes, good job,
you remove yourself and distance yourself finally from Deshaun Watson.
But the quarterback situation is still arguably the worst in
the league outside of Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And when we're.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Discussing that, we're also talking about, Okay, who do they
really elevate because you have to hang around in games,
which again is what they wanted to do. But they
still finished top five and past tens per game the
last two seasons, including last year, and leading the league
in tap past tens per game, which is wild considering
some of the explosive offenses we've seen. But they had
no choice, and so I think again, unfortunately, they just
have no choice but to rate highly in pass rate,

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despite the fact that's not what they want to do.
And that brings us to question players, you know, Quin
Shawn Junkins, Dylan Sampson, Jerome Ford. We can take shots
on these guys whatever, don't care. But like I'm trying
to question the elite players in these offenses, like David
and Joku, Jerry Judy, the guys that actually cost us
important capital, and I'm not sure that they get there.

(01:14:02):
Like we saw the splits and although he broke out
how drastic they were whenever Judy got to at least
play with Jameis Winston, who's not no longer on this roster.
Jerry Judy was literally the wide receiver two in points
per game with Winston and then without without Winston, when
we go to Dorian Thompson, Robinson and Bailey's Appy the
wide receiver thirty four, and then we go to Sean

(01:14:22):
Watson the wide receiver seventy one, like it's just an
immense dip from otherwise a weekly starter from Winston. And
so I'm very worried about Judy at his cost, since
everyone's chasing that ceiling he had from Winston and then
David and Joku. It's fine, But honestly, when you look
at and this is why my approach is the elite

(01:14:43):
tight end tier between McBride and Kittle, because when you
look at the tight end four on for some people
that Sam Laporta for some of TG Hawkinson, which is
also a wild thought, but Sam Laporta all the way
to Hunter Henry tight end twenty five, twenty six. I
am not kidding when I say the same guy and
the flattest tier may be in fantasy football history where

(01:15:05):
even the Kaiton, Mike Jasicki, Sam Laporta, Mark Andrews, Kyle
Pits even remember Kyl Pits October No one does, but
remember that everyone had a window, but then everyone also
failed for a window as well and was completely unusable.
They are all the same player, so I do like
taking my shots there. Tuck a Craft and Jake Ferguson
are two guys I stand out, But I'll leaven admit
to you that Tuck a Craft and Jake Ferguson are

(01:15:26):
David and Joku are Sam Laporta. So that to that
means that makes me naturally lower on in Djoku just
because I think if I'm taking someone of that mid round,
I'd rather still take a shot there on on an
ambiguous running back situation or another wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I don't blame me there. And one of the
benefits that I would say about being in an auction
is if you want to take a shot on a
guy like Njoku, it doesn't shut you out of those
kind of players because you've got for it. But in
the snake draft it's hard for me to take in
Joku there. I just don't. It's not that interesting to
me at that way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
And I keep coming with snake draft takes on this episode,
So please shut me down, correct me your auction take,
because you are the auction maestro, so I am just
listening to you as I prepare for my own auctions.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Well, I appreciate that he mentioned that to me off
the air. I was sort of taking them back. I
don't get a lot of folks in the industry listen
to my show, but I really appreciate that. And no,
we're here for largely the serpentine folks at this point,
because I do like to bring a little bit for
everybody on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So, by the way, I had to one of our
guys who works at ATR and social Media younger guy,
because of course you have to kind of be younger
to work on social media because US boomers don't understand it.
He did ask me the other day, as you said, Serpentine,
this is what reminds me because no one calls that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
We all call it snake draft.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
But he did ask me what roto meant, like why
everyone was attached to roto? So I had to explain
rotisserie leagues and and really, like I wish, I felt
old in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I was like, God, we've been doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
For a long time, haven't we have a third round reversal?
Only because of LT? Like LT made leagues unfair and
so they had to implement their ren revereversals just to
give those persons in the back like a chance to
match his points.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Like it's crazy the rules we've had set up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
And you're a good bit younger than me, So yeah,
I feel old when a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Six year old soul, as you can tell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah right right. Well, I started out doing rerotisserie baseball
in eighth grade where we had a dot matrix printer
where we printed out the stats every week. So yes, wow,
that's that's crazy. Okay, Well let's move on to our
next topic. I always like talking about twenty twenty five
juxtaposed to the twenty twenty fourth season. That's one of

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my favorite things to do on this show is just
to go back and say what happened last year. I
don't think I think some people don't spend enough time
doing that. They're like, hey, give me my picks for
this year. That's what they want to know. But I
think it's important to look at the context of how
it went down. And the first guy that always pops
into my head is Chase Brown because I just don't
know what to do. I don't think his price is

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unfair at this point. But when Zack Moss went down,
our buddy Dwayne MacFarland over there at Fantasy Life has
a fun utilization tool that you can sort by weeks
and figure out who was touching the ball went after
Zach Moss's injury, Chase Brown played eighty five percent of
the snaps, He had eighty eight percent of the rushing attempts.

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He was just a volume hog there in Cincinnati. After
Moss went down. Zach Moss is back. I don't know
that we care that much about it. They draft Tiers Brooks.
I don't know what to think about Chase Brown and
whether or not he's going to see similar volume or
enough volume even if we give him a haircut. Are
we still happy with his price? And what do we
think about his volume in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
I think he won the off season, which is why
I am taking him at the end of the second round,
second third round turn. But if you do look at
those numbers, whenever Zack Moss went got injured, honestly, nothing
stands out except for touches, which are the only skeleton
key in all of fantas football. We all use these
fun advanced stats, but honestly, the only thing that is

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truly truly predictable is a running back getting all the touches.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Which we still have to project for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
But that's why Chase Brown then broke out and as
an RB one over the second half of the season
no competition then comes out with twenty four touches per game,
five and a half targets weekly and no one to
even tap into that. We go back into this offseason
and he was going to be an easy fade for me.
Considering that again, when you look at everything behind the scenes,
really wasn't great at breaking tackles, wasn't explosive at all,

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just got those touches for a high powered offense that
did work its way inside the red zone a lot.
But all they did was re signed Zach Moss for
less than a million per year. May not even make
the final roster, grabbed a Day three running back in
Taje Brooks, but still, this is a last round running back,
someone we don't think can impact too much. So honestly,
the fact that no one else is coming for that

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job is the way I'm treating Chase Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Don't mind starting him off at the top of your draft.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
If you do go wide receivers, just two back to back,
don't mind then grabbing Chase Brown and Hero RB builds
in the third round. So I do like Chase Brown
this year quite a bit, but again only because the
Bengals really didn't show much interest in adding anyone else
to his competition.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah, I was a little bit surprised by that. I
thought they'd bring in somebody, and Zach Moss was not
the guy I thought. But yeah, so that's It's a
player that I constantly wrestle with. I don't have a
lot of Chase Brown right now because of that, But
so I wanted to get your take on that. Another
guy that I've actually been talking about quite a bit

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lately is Tuba Hubbard. It was pretty interesting. You know,
he has a weird one point game in Week one,
but from that point on, the guy was a top
twelve running back. I believe he ended up from weeks
two to sixteen. He didn't play Week seventeen. Weeks two
to sixteen, I believe he was the RB eleven in

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points per game. They bring in Rico Dowdell, they draft
a rookie, I believe, Trevor atn How do we see
this backfield shaping up? Because Hubbard's ADP has really dropped
quite a bit from where I thought it would be.
He had a really high volume role as well, seventy
seven percent of the snaps last year, seventy six percent

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of the rushing attempts. What do we think about his
volume this year with the additions the Panthers made.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I think it's a team and coaching Dave Canalis that
always wanted to run a committee or at.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
The very least take Hubbard off on passing downs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
And it's a finite, very small sample we got with
Jonathan Brooks last year, but at the sample we did
it was going to completely wreck to the Hubbard in
the Fantasy playoffs until Brooks got injured and only their
second and what would be last game together, Hubbard only
out touched Brooks twelve to nine and a down the
road time share, but more importantly was out targeted three

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to zero, and it was Brooks who out touched him
both inside the red zone and goal line, because that's
what they wanted Brooks to be. And so now that
the fact that they go out and not only make
it's a minor one, but still a signing that could
cap Hubbard's upside in Rico Daddle and Freegency and also
add Trevor Etn, we think they are still searching for

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that pass catching back which would then cap Hubbard's ceiling. So,
like you, I completely agree that he cannot match his
career high in touches last year, especially when we consider
those career high in touches like really also came with
a horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Past catching efficiency.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Etn or Daddle in my opinion, will step into that role,
which yes, then allows us to fade Hubbard at his cost.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Yeah, that's the thing that people have been pointing out
to me, and I can't disagree with the past. Catching
metrics were not pretty last year, so it certainly seems
like RB eighteen doesn't seem like I've been selling him
as a value at this point, But I don't know that.
I'm I'm starting to come around to the idea that
maybe he isn't And I'm not sold on Rico Dawdell

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being a difference maker. But if he trims enough of
Hubbard's volume, and then we have Etn stepping into some
pass catching work, yet we could certainly have the recipe
for a very mediocre fantasy asset. Let's talk about somebody
who's definitely not mediocre. That's Pooka Nakua, and I'm interested
to see what your take is on what DeVante Adams

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is going to do to Nakua's situation, because we all
know about the injury last year, but when he was
on the field, he had an eighty one percent route
participation rate, a thirty three percent target share, just absolutely monstrous.
What is a guy an alpha player like DeVante Adams?
Due to that target share? How concerned are you about

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Nakua in the first round?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
It makes the entire offense fun more importantly, to the
point where I think as long as Matthew Staffords stays healthy,
since the have showed they are a top heavy team.
Go back a couple of seasons ago whenever the Ravens
were the number one seed in the AFC and the
Rams go on the road and lose just in overtime
due to a punt return, a kickoff return one of
those special teams returns, but show they can hang with

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the best of them when they're healthy. Go back to
just last year whenever they took the Eagles and the
Snow down to the wire and basically only a Saquon
Barkley fifty plus.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yard run is why the Eagles beat them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
When the Rams are fully healthy, they can still mess
around with the absolute best of them, the forty nine
ers included, So Matthew Stafford, DeVante.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Adams, Poquin'acoua, Kayen Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
This is the most fun iteration of this offense we've
seen since Cooper Cup was in his prime, and honestly,
Devanty Adams at the tail end, yes, but his prime
right now still may be better than what we've seen
Cup show when it's overlapped with Pooquin'koua. The past couple years,
we have also seen mcphay whenever he gets this second
elite wide receiver or second wide receiver in general. Robert

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Woods goes down a few years back during their Super
Bowl run. He just brings on Odell Beckham, and Odell
Beckham leaves the team in en zone targets last year
in the past couple season where they're running more three
wide receiver sets, DeMarcus Robinson steps in and he finishes
second end zone targets on the team like they're looking
for that guy who's elite and working inside the red
zone and can use his body to create the space.
And that's like, you can't find a fantasy metric for this,

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but that's exactly how the Banti Adams plays is he
creates his own space and he shows he can still
earn targets and more importantly, provide fantasy value for us.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
So I think it elevates everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Honestly, where Pookuinakua the floor does not sink to the
point where he should be drafted outside of the first round.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
He is a wide receiver that absolutely won't kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
But yes to Vanti Adams, I do think then caps
what Pookinakua can do as a wide receiver one overall
range of outcomes. I think Adams naturally caps that and
instead it's Adams who should be discussed in that end
of second round tier because he probably provides a lot more.
And again, what is an elite offense when Stafford's healthy,

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then the other wide receivers like Tyreek Hill, Terry mclullin,
Mike Evans, the guys I've talked about earlier, So I
like both of them quite a bit. I think Adams
in that range is a very good steal and in
Stafford in super flex leagues, or probably one dollar in
auction leagues. You can tell me again all values just
because of what this offense is as they've been in
the past.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
It's it's a different player, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
But in the past at least we've seen when Stafford, Puoka,
Cupp and Kyron we're all in the field, they've averaged
over six yards for play the last two years. Now
we just replaced a couple of Adams. I think they're
going to be an absolute force when playing together.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It sure looks like it, and you're absolutely right. One
dollar for Matthew Stafford in auctions. It's an easy play
if you're going value at quarterback, get a guy that's
two to four dollars and then back them up with
Matthew Stafford. Absolutely love it. You know. I also like
the play of going after Justin Fields for six or
eight bucks because there doesn't seem to be a lot
of excitement about Justin Fields. I think people are people

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have been hurt too many times. And if you can
get a six or eight dollars justin Field and back
them up with Matthew Stafford, I think it's off to
the races. Okay, let's talk about the Chiefs because I
know we got some big news on Rashi Rice last week.
We don't need to get into all that. But eventually
he'll be on the field, and I think that, you know,
if we're talking about a suspension on the short side

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two to four games, even if he goes six, we're
going to have probably twelve plus weeks with these three
wide receivers on the field, assuming health, of course. So
we've got Hollywood Brown, We've got Rashie Rice, and then
we've got the second year man, Xavier Worthy, and that's
really who I want to focus on. When we have
all three of these guys on the field, how do

(01:27:36):
we see Xavier Worthy's value because at the end of
last year, he was kind of just like the last
man standing for a while until Hollywood came back at
the very end of the year. What do we think
he's going to be able to do as far as
earning targets. I mean, he's wide receiver twenty seven right
now coming off the board. There's nothing hateful about that price.
But what do we think about when they're all three

(01:27:58):
on the field, his ability to targets because I feel
like they just sort of shoved the volume at him
because they had to last year, and I don't feel
confident in his ability to earn those targets with all
three guys. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Xavier Worthy and Rashei Rice are two totally different players.
I see them comped together a lot when they don't
run the same route tree at all. Rahee Rice is
closer to a Monroe Saint Brown as a power slot
guy as opposed to Xavier Worthy, who showed he can
get downfield. That's kind of who he was coming out
of college to last offseason, I was always referencing that
he had the lowest catchable target rate twenty yards downfield

(01:28:33):
of the entire class because he played with quinni Ewers,
who is, as we saw in the draft, a bit
of a mess and fail for it, whereas now he
was playing with Patrick Mahomes who oddly Mahomes was also
horrific when throwing downfield last year. But the point is
Xavier Worthy can do a lot more, honestly than Rashie Rice,
who just is very, very good, elite at what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
And that's why Rice. You go back to it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
So when he joined the starting lineup a year and
a half ago, he's been the wide receiver thirteen in
points per game in time, should have earned second round
draft capital.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
We now have to worry about.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
The suspension pending suspension, which you know more about I know,
but also everyone forgets that the suspension for players. We
can replicate those points easiest in the beginning of the season,
So if this suspension falls in the first month, don't
even care. Like where she rise, he's going to dip
to the fourth round and he should be a bye
at that point, or he should be a value in
auction leagues because of what we get back when he

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returns in October, November, whenever it is. We can just
plug him right back in because of what he provides.
But yeah, Worthy, I think is going to be more
hit or miss, but we do still have that contingency value.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
As he showed us in the second half of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
It probably was due to them, as you said, no
man's Land, not having any more bodies to feed. I
also just think, like any other rookie, he naturally learned
how to earn targets and break out and that's okay
and so more of a splash guy. But when Rice
is back on the field, Rice is the one who
should command that draft capital two to three rounds higher
because of his route tree and what he's shown us

(01:30:02):
in earning targets much more significantly than Worthy. So yeah,
I think that means we should probably be slightly behind.
To answer your question, adp Unworthy, Rice is the guy
I absolutely still want. Travis Kelsey's the guy who is
easy to fade, given that they even had no intention
to use him before Rice got injured last year and
then plugged him away. As the same guy we've seen

(01:30:23):
in the regular season, I bet he is stilled back
once again until the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Right now, it sure seems like it with Kelsey, I'm
staying away from him, especially with his cost still kind
of lingering a little bit too high for me. Okay,
I got one more situation I want to ask you about.
I'm going to get you out of here them with
a few of your favorite targets and fades before I
let you go. But the last situation. You know, I've
been arguing with people on Twitter about this. This is
probably not a good use of my time, but David

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Montgomery and Jamior Gibbs. Gibbs is going off the board
right now as a surefire top three are running back
selection sometimes top three, and David Montgomery meanwhile, has slipped
all the way down to I believe he's approximately RB
twenty two off the board, so a low end RB two.

(01:31:12):
Do we buy the rumor there's some coach speak about
this time of year. We always hear this kind of thing.
He's going to be split out wide more often, he's
going to be you know, we always hear that stuff.
We're hearing that again about Gibbs, and I get people
telling me that Gibbs is going to take control of
this backfield, and I just don't have any evidence to
say that that's actually what's coming. Now. Maybe it is

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and maybe I'm the one who's blind here, but last
year Montgomery had thirty three carries inside the ten yard
line seventeen carries inside the five yard line, and those
were both numbers, you know, with missing the last three
weeks of the season too, So he was RB eleven
when he got hurt last year after week fourteen. What

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do we think about this narrative that Gibbs is about
to take over the backfield and people are leaving Montgomery
for dead in the bottom of RB two territory.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
To add more contacts.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Since the Lions returned from their by and twenty twenty three,
Jamier Gibbs and David Montgomery have played, have finished twenty
four games together, and in those twenty four games, Montgomery
has outtouched Gibbs by fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Like this is a player who does not go away.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
They run a committee with him, including as you mentioned,
the twelve games they finished together last year, finished with
two more touches than Gibbs, and gave Montgomery an extension
in October, which I think is pretty big and telling
going into this year. So yes, I believe Dave Montgomery,
like you said, is a value as a low end
RB two that's the way I'm coming from it as well.
Having said that, when we are talking about home leagues

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and upside and ceiling, that's all we're chasing. Like, Gibbs
has shown us what he can be, and that is
averaging eighteen points per game alongside Montgomery, which is RB
six and points per game because he's in a committee,
won't kill.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
You a guy you should take at the end of THEND.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
But last year without Gibbs or without Montgomery, I should say,
average thirty two and a half points per game, which
even Saquon Barkley couldn't do. And given the offensive line changes,
given that we're going from Ben Johnson to a play
caller and John Morton, who we have serious questions about,
the offensive line is probably more important. Given that Frank

(01:33:21):
rag Now their starting center, was an All Pro, first
team All Pro, and we've seen Jared Goff. Everyone uses
that lazy indoor outdoor narrative that I hate. It literally
just comes down to do you pressure golf or can
you not? With missing three offensive linemen, I would imagine
you could pressure golf pretty easily this year, plus we
are still questioning the absence of Ben Johnson, so maybe naturally,
Jamiir Gibbs has no choice but to work his way

(01:33:44):
into the offense more, which does give him more outs
to finish as the overall RB won this season.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
So it goes back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
For me. Again, it's good that Gibbs will not kill
you and he has squintable out as the overall RB one,
but I'm still questioning that personally.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
I know he goes with the RB two RB three sometimes,
So I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Think the point is Montgomery a value absolutely Gibbs RB
one to three, that's his range of outcomes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Yeah, that's totally fair, and I've been trying to say, hey, look,
Montgomery's not going away. I also think that's a Dan
Campbell thing. I think he wants there to be two
guys that can do different things and look different to defenses.
That's how it feels to me. But that's a good
breakdown of the Detroit situation. Let's get you out of here.
I want to let you go with my favorite segment

(01:34:34):
for my audience. At least, the feedback I get is
people love here and what my analysts think before they're
done for the week, and that's about basically, when you're
on the clock, your personal preferences. Who are some guys
that you're targeting at price right now and some guys
that you just can't quite seem to click the button

(01:34:56):
on very often. On the other side, who are your fades.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Let's go with the guys I'm clicking often first, and
that is the Patriots offense basically, but in particular Drake May,
who I'm not going to let anyone myself included claim
that they got him right. Like Jayden Daniels last year,
Jade Daniels was every fantasy analyst favorite sleeper because he
was obvious what he provided in QB two range with

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his rushing up side that he showed at LSU as
a Heisman winner. Drake May it's very similar, whereas he
averaged in his ten full starts four full rushing points
per game that he tacked on and now the Patriots
offensive line, they ranked thirty first in ESPN's past bloc
win rate. Last season, added right tackle Morgan Moses, former
Viking center Garrett Bradbury, and then drafted stud Will Campbell

(01:35:44):
as well to play left tackle with their fourth overall pick.
Not to mention, they have the third easiest schedule projected
in the entire league, So Drake Mays an easy one,
and that's because also they improved a surrounding cast. And
that's where I'm going because in home leagues, Kyle Williams
is not going to be drafted. He's going to be
a fourteenth round on guy. But he, like Trey Harris,
is one of my favorite sleepers you draft and stash

(01:36:07):
for the second half of the season because of how
he fits on this roster. To Mario Douglas's Stefon Diggs
led their respective teams and route rate last year from
the slot, whereas Williams in college ran a career eighty
one percent of his routes from out wide and then
even showed us as a nineteen year old at UNLV
average a twenty two percent target share broke out very early. Also,

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like I talked about with Trayers earlier and creating your
own separation, it was Williams who finished on a much
bigger sample second in yards per route run against man coverage.
So just the fact there's opportunity here from a very
good quarterback and what I believe will be a very
good offense. I like cal Williams a lot. Another stat
on this, by the way, that I don't hear much
people saying, so maybe I can teach some people something.
Josh McDaniels, for all the flaws he has, for as

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much as we make fun of him, and rightfully so,
for his ten years with the Raiders and the Broncos,
when he has been strictly an offensive play caller, and
this goes back to his time with the Patriots, stretches
to the Raiders when he's only been asked to do that.
Similar to North Turner and Wade Phillips, he's been very
good at one singular thing, so much so that in

(01:37:15):
his last ten full seasons his offense is of rinked
top sixteen, above average and EPA per play, showing us
that he's extremely efficient. The one outlier that they didn't
do that in that time was with Cam Newton when
but they remember they got they finished with seven wins
with the quarterback who threw for six touchdown passes I
believe it was, and Cam Newton still ran for twelve

(01:37:36):
because of the way Josh McDaniels cleverly schemed him. So
I do like the Patriots offense quite a bit this year.
I think they're a value. And then also Jordan Mason
is another one that I'm still wrapping my head around
because these guys we like the draft and that are
going as RB two's and perceived as backups.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
If we're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
About probabilities starters like Aaron Jones Kenneth Wall, they probably
still lead their team in touches. But I do think
there was enough ambiguous opportunity for Jordan Mason the way
they treated him for the Vikings and acquiring him, that
he could be much more than that. Aaron Jones, for example,
is coming off his first ever three hundred touch season
at age thirty and average a career low in yards

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per touch. I compare it to Raheem Moster's breakout year
when he led the league with eighteen rushing touchdowns. But
it was kind of obvious that, oh, like here's this
thirty plus year old breakout, Like it doesn't make sense,
like we should not chase this, especially at ADP. Aaron
Jones is kind of that way, where to me, he's
a fade. I don't want to chase this at ADP,
but I do understand that if he stays healthy, then yes,

(01:38:39):
he can probably outtouch Jordan Mason.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
But at least Mason.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Is there for the short yardage reason solely because Jones
last year at the goal line had thirteen carries for
negative two yards in a fumble. They want Jordan Mason
to be the short yards back and that's how we
get there with seven to ten touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Maybe then, as he showed us with the forty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Ers, Mason can earn more opportunity and he can be
a value in that RB two range. So yeah, I
also like Jordan Mason is one of my Redraft sleepers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, I've been all over Mason, so I love hearing
that some healthy confirmation bias for me. I've just been
of the opinion that, you know, Jim Coventry came on
the show a few weeks back and he said, I
think that Kevin O'Connell is telling us that he wants
to take it slow with jj McCarthy and the number
of pass attempts he puts on his plate early in
the year, that he wants to run the football and

(01:39:27):
be able to bring McCarthy along slowly, and so I
think that Jordan Mason plays a big role in that
as well. So all right, flip it to the other side.
What are some guys that you're fading right now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
I already touched on Aaron Jones and Chewba Hubbard, which
I think are pretty important given the windows they're.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Being drafted in.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Another one if you look at homely ADP. By the way,
I don't know his auction value right now. I think
it's pretty high unless you're in a smarter league. But
it's not shocking because again, all we do is chase
last year's stats, and then our job is to come
out and say, hey, that stat last year is wrong
for this reason and why it's going to And the
biggest one, the biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Out liar is Jared Goff, like by a mile.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
At home leagues, he's quite literally being treated as the
QB eight through ten and ADP, and that's just wrong
considering I always like to start my research in the
offseason looking at the guys who everything went right for and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Yet it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
They didn't separate at their position and everything went white
for Jared Goff with a career high and touchdown passes,
completion rate, yards per attempt, fantasy points per game, and
yet still only the QB nine in points per game
because he doesn't separate with his legs at all. Now
we're talking about, as we said earlier, all these disasters
that are happening to lead us to question Detroit's offense.
Even going from top five inefficiency to twelfth or thirteenth,

(01:40:42):
that would make a big dent on their entire offense,
including golf. So I think golf is the who I'm
I'm labeling as the easiest fade in all of fantasy
football this year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Yeah, and something like a six point nine percent TD
rate if I remember right, something like that, which is
absurdly high and certainly not a fwlve earth. Okay, well, hey,
that's gonna do it. I think we gotta get out
of here. I'm gonna let you go. You've been generous
with your time. Find John on Twitter at not J
Dagel that's d A I G L E. And of

(01:41:14):
course over there doing podcasts and good work for the
folks that establish the run. Also maybe citle up to
them at the at the XPO and Canton if you
can make it out there. So thank you again, John,
I appreciate you being here.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Tell me you listen to me on this podcast in particular,
no other podcast that Drew sees me on this podcast
in particular, and I'll buy you a drink.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Hey, that is a heck of an offer right there.
So come find us at the expo, we'll hang out.
We'll get you a couple of drinks. Thanks again to
John Dagel from establishing the run and that's gonna do
it for this week's discussions Withdrew. All right, nice job, John.

(01:41:59):
You know I say that week, but you just get
smarter here in the auction brief. John's a smart dude.
He knows what he's talking about with every possible situation,
and I love how how he breaks it down for us.
So great job, John. I really enjoyed speaking with you
on the auction brief this week and discussions with Drew.
That was a fun conversation. All right, folks, that's gonna
do it. Don't forget you and find me on Twitter

(01:42:20):
at Drew Davenport FF on TikTok and Patriot at the
Fantasy Football Lawyer. And use those FJ Fantasy Sports draft boards.
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your order. Next week, we got my buddy Brian Drake.

(01:42:42):
You don't want to miss that episode. It's one of
the most popular episodes every summer because people like hearing
me and Drake grew around on the mic. But we're
still gonna talk fantasy football. I got him lined up
for next week. And and folks, we are well and
truly underway as training camps are going to be going
and I'm going to be heading to Canton. So I
cannot believe we are turning the page to August here

(01:43:04):
before too long. Thank you so much for being a
loyal listener of the Auction Brief. So let's get you
out of here. The Auction Brief is adjourned, and I
am out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
The Auction Brief is adjourned. That'll do it for this
week's episode. See you next time on The Auction Brief.

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