Auction Draft Inflection Points; Guest Bob Harris

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Auction Brief.

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full hearts.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey, everybody, welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
I am your host, Drew Davenport. You're a fantasy football lawyer,
and thank you so much for joining me for the
penultimate episode.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Of the summer.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We are almost there, folks, because next week is the
final episode of the summer. That doesn't mean the Auction
Brief is done for the season, just means that we're
done for draft prep season. It doesn't do a lot
of good to drop an episode on the twenty ninth
when there's only one weekend a drafting left. So the
next week's episode will be the one you've all been

(01:10):
waiting for. The Auction Manifesto. That is everything you need
to know in one episode, condensed of course, from our
lessons over the summer. That's one of my favorite episodes.
To do and it is easily the most popular episode
of the summer, so looking forward to that. Already started
writing that episode, which is unusual, but I want it

(01:31):
to be good and I'm excited about it. I'm freshly
back from the Fantasy Football Expo in Canton, Ohio. The
sprawling metropolis of Canton hosted yet another amazing weekend. Not
going to bore you with details about the whole weekend,
but suffice it to say it was, as it always is,
one of the best weekends of the year for me,

(01:53):
just reconnecting with all the folks out there, my buddy
Brian Drake and Doug Orth and Jim Coventry and all
the folks out there that I get to see every year.
And I had so much fun. And I didn't do
any work over the weekend. I had planned on working
a little bit, but you know, when I was having
too much fun. And it was a great break for
me because we now have a three week sprint to
the finish and I am churning out those par sheets

(02:16):
in mass. The problem is there's been too many requests.
That's a great problem to have. I sort of tried
to price some people out this year, charging fourteen bucks
or nineteen bucks for the par sheets, but y'all are
still wanting them, so I appreciate that, and that gives
me a lot of joy and happiness to see how

(02:38):
much you value my opinions on this topic. And the
orders just kept flooding in, so I had to put
a pause on it. Thank you so much for all
of those orders. But I got to get caught up,
and I'm hoping I can open up the orders again here.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Maybe at the end.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Of the week, if I can get caught up, we
will see, you know, Ryan high off of the XPO wave.
And I'm excited about this week's episode because I was
thinking about what we were going to do and I
thought to myself, well, I want to do inflection points.
But sometimes I feel like maybe these episodes get a
little bit stale for some of you who have been

(03:14):
listening to them for a couple of years, because you
know some of the things I'm going to say and
how I'm gonna say. It never hurts to get a review,
of course, but I thought, well, what's the best way
we can approach inflection points this year? And then it
popped into my head, well, how easy is this I've
got Bob Harrison discussions with Drew later. Bob was in
The King's Classic this weekend, but he was in the

(03:35):
other room. There's two rooms, the Brown Division and the
bland A Division were in separate rooms. So I thought
that would be fun to talk to Bob about We're
going to do that in discussions Withdrew. But I also thought,
you know, what would be fun for the inflection points
rather than just going through the concepts and the nebulous
ideas about well, it's gonna shift. You better watch for
the shift. You better watch for it. Do you see

(03:57):
the shift? Do you see it? Do you see it?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Man?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I tell you what, I had a lot of ranch
this weekend and I only had to ask for ranch
one time. You know, I felt a little bit like
that guy, like I got a kind of a small
thing a ranch with my meal, and I thought, boy,
that's not going to be enough ranch.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh my god, that's not gonna be enough. There's no
way that's enough ranch. Please ma'am give me more ranch.
Oh boy, we are off to a rough start.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I thought, what would be a more interesting way to
go about learning about inflection points? Well, jeez it, it's
staring me right in the face of the King's Classic.
Now you don't have to sit there and roll your
eyes and say, well, I don't care about the King's Classic.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I know you don't.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I know you don't care about my leagues, but I
want to give you concrete examples of things that happened
in the King's Classic that started to give me the
idea that things were shifting, that we had hit an
inflection point. And after all, that's what we are wanting
to do with this topic, right We're trying to identify
the shifts in the auction as they're happening real time,

(05:11):
because that's how you take advantage of them. And I
have to be real honest, I felt the most comfortable
I've ever felt in a King's Classic draft room. Not
necessarily with the snake, that's a different story.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
But the auction.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I felt like I crushed the first seventy percent of
that auction. And you're going to hear why here. In
just a little bit, I'm going to take you through
my strategy, just briefly, a couple of minutes on my
strategy and what ended up happening, and then we will
go into inflection points through the lens of this draft
this past weekend, and I think you're really going to
love that, because I'm I enjoyed putting it together and

(05:47):
kind of scrolling back through and looking at exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
And I have to preach on this again just for
one second. We have some business to get to, but
I have to say again, going back through and looking
all this stuff right after the draft. I've preached it
all summer long. I preached it specifically at the beginning,
but I'm going to say it again. The best thing
you can do is go back and look at what
happened and look at the order things happen, because I

(06:13):
promise you, I promise you you are getting it jumbled
in your head what the order of things was and
how deep into the draft you were when certain things happened.
I say this to all my clients. I get clients
all the time and they're like, you know, being harassed
by somebody or there, you know, something happens and they're like, well,
I think it happened, and blah blah blah. And I
always say, look, if you want the police to believe you, you

(06:35):
want prosecutors to believe you, get a notepad, Like like
we're in the old timey days. Get a notepad and
a pen and sit it there. And when something happens,
you get an unexplained call in the middle of the night,
write it down. Person drives by your house and yells something,
I write it down. You think you're going to remember,
You're not in auction drafts. You are not going to

(06:57):
remember exactly what happened. You need to go back and
look right away and write down some impressions about what happened.
It's going to help you immensely. But hey, let's get
into that in just a second here, because we have
some important business to take care before.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
We get going. Drumroll, please the Listener League, folks.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I know you've been patiently waiting, well not very patiently,
to be honest. I've had a lot of messages about
what's going on with the Listener League. But hey, everybody,
take a deep breath. Here we are. The Listener League
is coming together. I confirm with Ian Hardtz this weekend
and Canton that he is going to be in the league.
So we've got our celebrity guest. I've also handpicked a

(07:39):
couple other folks that are going to be in the
league with us. But I'm going to have at least
six or seven spots to give away. And y'all want
to know how do I get entered? Well, I thought, well,
it's not a listener league if I have you do
something random or something dumb. It's a listener league because
you're listening to the show. So I need you to
do two things. Actually, I only need you to do

(08:01):
one thing to get entered, but another thing will give
you a little bonus. So the best thing to do
for a podcast popularity is to leave a rating and
a review.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we did this two years ago. We're going to
do it again.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
The first way that you get entered into the contest
is simply going wherever you listen to podcasts and leaving
a review for the show. If you want to kill me,
go for it. There'll be some things that can work on.
I'd prefer that you leave a positive review.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Now, what I'm going to do is I'm actually going
to pick a couple of reviews that I love, and
those people are going to automatically be entered for a
couple of positions, and then we'll do random drawing for
six or seven other positions. All right, go leave a review,
screen cap it, DM it to me, email it to me,
however you want to get it to me. Get it
to me on the Patreon. That's number one way that

(08:53):
you can get into the listener league. You will get
one entry for leaving a review and rating the show
and sending it to me. You can earn a bonus entry,
so you can double your chances of getting in if
you make sure and retweet my tweet about the show
this week when it drops on Thursday morning. So I
will put out a tweet about the episode, tagging Bob

(09:16):
Harris in it. And if you go on Twitter and
you retweet my episode, you don't have to comment or
quote tweet it, you just retweet it. If you do that,
you get an additional entry. But let me just tell you,
retweeting the show does not get you an entry unless
you already did the review part of it, so it's
a bonus entry. There is a requirement that you leave

(09:36):
a review to get entered at all, and then you
get the bonus entry if you do the retweet. All right,
so pretty simple. We are going to have the draft
at some point the beginning of the week before labor days,
so maybe the I believe it's the Monday, the twenty sixth,
the Tuesday, the twenty seventh, Wednesday the twenty eighth, somewhere
in there. Make sure you're available on those evenings. I'm

(09:57):
waiting on another draft to be scheduled on Ian's schedule
as well, to get that finally put together. But hey,
you might have to show up around you know, eight
thirty and expect a draft until eleven or eleven thirty
Eastern time. I know that's hard for some of you.
I know some of you are in different countries, different
time zones.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I get all that.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Unfortunately, all I can do is gear it towards the
Eastern time zone. But get your entries in for the
listener League that is coming quick. We're going to select
all of that stuff and announce it probably end of well,
probably beginning of next week. That would be the beginning
of the week of the nineteenth. I will announce all

(10:38):
that stuff. And again, this is supposed to be a
lot of fun. You don't win a whole lot when
you win, but you do get to come on the
show the next summer. You get a T shirt, you
get a copy of the movie North Shore, of course,
and you get a lot of accolades for winning one
of the toughest auction leagues in the world. I truly
believe that. But I need you all to relax about

(11:00):
the format. We're gonna play kickers and d's, Okay, don't
get mad about it. Don't get mad about it. We're
gonna play kickers and d's. We're gonna play full PPR.
I'm a boomer after all. No, I'm not a boomer.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm an old man.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'm playing a straight up the middle vanilla format, all right,
one QB PPR, kickers and d's, three wide receivers, one flex,
right up the middle, folks, don't stress.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Have a good time.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
We're not here to say this students the belly ache
about anything. That's the quickest way for you to not
get in the league. So let's just have fun. It's
right up the middle. It's gonna be a good time,
and I can't wait for that. For the third year
in a row, we don't have any ff legal update
this week. There is no new information coming out of

(11:49):
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you insight for your drafts. And I've also got an

(12:38):
article that I've been working on. I just haven't quite
been able to finish it, but about some opinions that
I've had this summer that have changed that have shifted
pretty dramatically as we sit here in the middle of August.
So that's going to be a fun piece as well.
Get over to the Fantasy Football Lawyer Patreon Network. Just
four bucks a month, all right, I think that's going
to do it. For the preliminary stuff. I want to

(12:59):
get on to the inflection points. This isn't as meaty
of a topic as you might think it is, because
I really do believe the ideas and the concepts are
really straightforward. It's just about discussing what it looks like
when a draft changes and when it shifts. And I've
got some great concrete examples today. Unlike other years when

(13:21):
we've talked about inflection points, I haven't had a lot
of concrete examples because it's not a very concrete concept.
I really can just put the ideas out there and
let you figure it out as you're inside the draft,
and that's what you're gonna have to do in your drafts.
But for today, we're going to look at it through
the lens of the King's Classic this past weekend, and
I think it's really going to help. Let's get into

(13:41):
the show today. Let's do some auction talk.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Auction talk.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Okay, well, I noticed about three or four significant shifts
in the draft this past weekend. But before we can
get into that stuff, I have to lay a little
bit of groundwork because I can't assume that if you're
listening to the show, you know exactly what an inflection
point is or even what it means. So I want
to hit lay that foundation briefly, and I also want

(14:08):
to tell you a little bit about my approach to
the draft, to see why I was looking for certain
things in the middle of the draft.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
But I don't want to do a lot.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Of setup work because I think this stuff is really
fun to talk about in it, and since I've got
a lot of examples, I think that you're going to
enjoy that more than a lot of nebulas talk around
about what this actually, this concept actually means. Now, the
idea of an inflection point is pretty simple. Although I've
been smacked down by math nerds in the past, I

(14:39):
want to just say that an inflection point in an
auction is something that is sometimes hard to define or
hard to see. It's often much easier to see in retrospect.
It's easier to see when looking back on it. And
I'm sure you're thinking to yourself, well, how the hell
does that help me when I'm in the middle of
an auction. Well, look, get that. And sometimes I miss

(15:02):
these things. I miss when stuff turns, And I'm here
to tell you that the only way to get better
at it and to figure it out as it's happening
is to start to recognize some of the signs. In general,
an inflection point just means when does stuff start to shift,
When does the draft start to take on a different look,

(15:22):
a different strategy, When do the price points begin to change,
and when do they begin to change consistently Because a
lot of times you can see outliers that happen, and
that doesn't mean an inflection point has happened. It just
means that something weird happen, like one of the last
of a tear or one of the last elite wide
receiver ones, or whatever the case may be. But there

(15:44):
are shifts throughout the draft that if you notice them,
you can either be ahead of a run that's about
to come because of the shift, or you can quickly
jump on something that you have recognized as happening in
the room.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And that's the whole point.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And I say this all the time about inflection points,
but I want you to hear me clearly.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
You're not always going.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
To see them. That's okay, sometimes you're going to miss them.
But even if you notice them after the fact, that
part of the draft may still be going on. So
the inflection point isn't a big long part of a draft.
It's when the draft shifts. Okay, then the inflection point's
over and you've got a new part of the draft.
And what does that mean. That means there are new

(16:26):
strategies that you need to be in point. Sometimes that
means calling out players you want. Sometimes it means calling
out players you don't want. Sometimes it means I got
to get a guy right now. Sometimes it means, oh, hey, look,
I need to wait a sec and things are going
to come right back to me. So it can mean
different things, but it's definitely going to mean a shift

(16:47):
in your strategy and approach. We just spent all summer
learning how we should approach these auctions, and I'm here
to tell you that there's four or five mini auctions
within the auction that you need to be paying attention to.
And those inflection points, those shifts in the auction, if
you recognize them, you will be able to take advantage
of them.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
So before we.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Get into when those shifts happened during the draft, let
me tell you a little bit about my strategy, just
very briefly. This is not something that's super interesting to people.
So I get that, but you need some context about
what's happening here. Last year, I approached the draft by saying, look,
I need to get some top talent because that's the
backbone of a good team, and then I'm going to

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sort of just cut out some of the middle tiers
and then go lower in the tiers in order to
have a full team full of guys that I thought
were going to stay on the field and play a
lot of snaps. I think the execution of my plan
was a bit poor in the end because I think
that the strategy, while close to good, wasn't quite good.

(17:55):
The general idea was right, like, hey, we need to
fill out our roster and make sure that we have
any of playable players. Because the King's Classic is such
a deep league. And you've heard me say this before,
I'm going to say it one more time. It's a
fourteen team league, so that's tough right there. But on
top of that, we have three flexes and no kicker defense.

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So we're starting ten position players every week, up to
six wide receivers or five running backs every single week.
It's one QB league, so we're starting one hundred and
forty position players every week. When some leagues are only
starting ninety six or one hundred and eight or whatever
the case may be, we go much much deeper. And
as a result, my strategy was, Hey, I'm going to

(18:38):
try to just cut out these middle tiers, have some studs,
and then have some lower ranked players that I think
are going to play a lot. Well, I realized that
opened myself up to being having to be a little
bit too perfect on some of my calls near the
end of the draft. So what I wanted to do
this year was I wanted to ignore my bench a
little bit more because I think the biggest deal in

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this type of a draft is I've said this before,
but when I'm preparing and I'm looking at what I'm
gonna do, you quickly realize in this type of draft
that there just isn't enough money to go around. And
I know that sounds funny because of course you're gonna
end up with a team, but there isn't enough money
to go around where you're not gonna end up with
some players that you really just don't like very much
or don't care about. And I thought, well, if that's

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going to be the case, let me just not worry
about the last three, four or five guys in my roster,
which is essentially my whole bench. It's only six players
on your bench, ten in your lineup. It's a bit
of a rough cut. But I thought, let's just get
our starting lineup. We'll worry about our bench later. We're
going to work the waiver wire as hard as anybody,
and we're going to let the chips fall where they may.

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And that's essentially that is the plan that I carried out.
And literally the only regret I have is that things
ran out a little poorly at the end of the draft.
I thought the first seventy percent of the draft went
exactly like I wanted it to, and it's the best
I've felt in the King's Class in a long time
for what I was able to secure for the prices

(20:03):
I was able to secure them at. So I want
to talk to you a little bit about those players
that I landed as we go through, but I'll just
say this, I landed a quarterback early. I landed Jalen
Hurts for twenty one dollars on the first nomination. That
irritated me a little bit from the standpoint that I
felt It was a good deal, but it took me
out of my plan to have Kyler Murray, which I

(20:25):
really thought he would be a approximately twelve dollars player.
He ended up going for ten later, and again I
probably wasn't going to get him for ten, probably would
have had to pay twelve or fourteen. But that frustrated
me a little bit. But I thought I sensed some
reluctance to start bidding in the room, and we're going
to talk about that on inflection point number one.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Right out of the gate.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
But I ended up landing three players in the first
eight nominations, which is something I never do. I ended
up landing Jonathan Taylor, Amari Cooper, and Jalen Hurts all
within the first eight picks because I felt like the
prices were pretty low. My starting lineup is Jalen Hurts,
Jonathan Taylor, DeAndre Swift, Chris o'lave, Amari Cooper, Rashie Rice,

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and then my flexes are Tony Pollard, Javonte Williams, Keenan Allen,
and my tight end is Dallas Goddard. Now I feel
really great about that starting lineup for a fourteen teamer.
I think that's a strong strong starting lineup, so I
was pumped about that. The only thing that went poorly
for me was the runout at the end of the draft.

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Went went badly for me because I realized at some
point that I needed to get my last starter and
I was gonna have to overpay a little bit because
I waited just a little bit too long and I
didn't end up finishing the draft the way I wanted to.
I wanted to get my last starter for about eight
or ten dollars, and I had the opportunity to do that,
and I passed up some players and some deals that

(21:52):
I should have taken, and that would have allowed me
to get one strong player from my bench before I
ignored the rest of my bench, which is essentially what
I did. My backups are absolute trash. I'm going to
have to work the waiver wire and those are the
choices you make. So what I did different from last
year to this year was pretty simple. I just said, Okay,
let's ignore our bench a little bit more. Let's push

(22:15):
the money from our bench up into our starting lineup
and make sure we have zero holes in our starting
lineup to start the season, and then beyond that we'll
worry about it if we can get some good enough deals,
and that's the choice you have to make in a
league like this where there isn't enough money to go around.
So what I said was, Okay, I'm not going to
cut out those middle tiers. I'm going to use some

(22:35):
players from those middle tiers and instead I'm going to
completely cut out the three, five, six, eight dollars players
that I had last year that didn't really work out
because what I realized was the ability to hit on
a five or six or eight dollars player is not
that much higher than your ability to hit on a
one dollar player. There just isn't a lot of difference there.

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And I think that that was the one thing that
I could criticize myself for last year in my approach
was that getting all those five and six dollars players
isn't really that much better than getting the one to
two dollars players, and in this format, that money was
huge to make my starting lineup better. So that's what
I did, and it started right out of the gate
with landing three players in the first eight picks. I

(23:18):
never do that, folks. And here's why. Let's talk about
right now. Inflection point number one and this is one
that you've heard me say every year, and I'm going
to say it again. It's the sitting down bonus. I
pulled the phrase from a sitcom from Friends, but that's
not really relevant. The sitting down bonus is quite simple.

(23:38):
When you get into an auction draft, there is often
a period of time where people are not interested in
spending their money. They love having their money, and they
don't want to go in there and spend fifty bucks
right away for Christian McCaffrey or Jamar Chase. They just
don't want to do it. So when you sit down initially,
you are likely to find some deals right out of

(23:58):
the gate. They may not be amazing deals, because don't
forget that, on the top players, you're not going to
get twelve dollars discounts. You're not going to walk into
a draft and get Christian McCaffrey for forty three when
he's supposed to be fifty five. That just doesn't happen.
Nobody's going to let you do that. But deals look
a little bit different for higher players. So if you

(24:20):
love aj Brown and you think he's a forty seven
dollars play, and you get him for forty four. You
should feel good about that. That's a three dollars difference.
That on elite players means that you've got a nice deal.
But the very beginning of the draft is obviously an
inflection point. As the draft begins, there is necessarily, by definition,
a shift there, not a shift, but a beginning of

(24:42):
the auction, and that's when you can start to see
what everyone's thinking about doing. I think most of the time,
in most auction draft rooms, you're going to get a
sit and down bonus. And the sitting down bonus just
means you're going to get a discount on some top players.
So be aware of that and don't be hesitant to
There are some rooms. There are some rooms that are

(25:04):
going to be hot right out of the gate. They're
going to call out Christian McCaffrey. He's going to go
for sixty bucks and you're off to the races. That happens,
and if that happens, just chill, don't worry about it.
Let people spend their money. At the beginning, you have
to get in there and get somebody. You can't let
all the first round players go. You got to get somebody.
But let hot rooms be hot, let them run hot,

(25:27):
and you'll find some deals on some lower tier one
or high tier two players at a little bit more
palatable prices when the hotness, you know, cools down a
little bit. But for the most part, the sitting down
bonus or the cool period at the beginning of the
draft is going to be very short, all right. Sometimes
it only lasts one or two players or three players.

(25:49):
I think in The King's Classic it was really interesting.
I think it happened for almost around It was almost
one whole round where people were a little bit timid
and we're not wanting to spend their money. And my
whole plan had been I had a par sheet where
I was going to call out Kyler Murray in the
first round because I thought that people wouldn't be interested

(26:10):
in spending a lot of money on Murray right away,
and I was going to get him out there before
I before Alan Richardson, Hurts, all those guys wore up,
and I was going to get a running quarterback that
was a little bit cheaper than the rest of these guys. Unfortunately,
the first person to call out a player called out
Jalen Hurts, and I told myself, if this is too cheap,

(26:33):
you're just going to go for it. Don't worry about
the Kyler Murray thing. You can't afford to pass up
a deal on a top quarterback if the deal is
there now. I don't spend a lot of time chasing
quarterbacks in any leagues, but analyst leagues and home drafts,
quarterbacks are too expensive. I don't spend the money. For
the most part. I tried it a little bit last year.

(26:54):
It didn't work very well, and it reminded me why
I don't do it. You could have picked Jordan Up
off the waiver wire in the middle of the season
last year and had a fantastic ooh, fantastic number one,
and had a fantastic starting fantasy quarterback for the second
half of the season off the waiver wire. So I
generally don't chase quarterbacks at the top of the position,

(27:16):
but in an analyst league, I think they go way
cheaper than they should. So I had a par sheet
for a top quarterback that I had. I counted on
trying to spend up to twenty four dollars. Last year,
Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen went for twenty seven and
twenty nine. I believe, and I thought if I can
get one of them for twenty four. I'm going to
do that because I believe these guys add so much

(27:38):
with their legs in this format, when you have these
deep rosters, having that backbone, having that base floor every
week where you know you're going to score some points
at the quarterback position is so important. And because analysts
devalue quarterbacks, I thought that's what I'm going to do.
So when Hertz was called out number one, the bidding
slowed down in the upper teams. I bid a little,

(28:00):
but I ended up getting him for twenty one dollars.
I'm okay with that. The bidding continues on Marvin Harrison,
Jamar Chase, Pookinakua, and I'd start to notice something weird.
This room is cold. It is cold. I'm getting a
massive sitting down bonus here. Because Jamar Chase went for
forty six. That's a fifty dollars plus player. Pokinakua went

(28:21):
for thirty two. He's a thirty five to forty five
dollars player. And then Jonathan Taylor comes up and it
starts slowing down in the upper twenties.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm like, this is nuts. I don't want Jonathan Taylor.
That's not one of my guys this year. But I
ended up landing Jonathan Taylor for thirty two dollars. That
turned out to be a massive bargain later in the draft,
and I knew it was gonna be because I have
a lot of experience in this room. So I saw
this happening. And then I ended up landing Amari Cooper

(28:51):
for twenty four bucks, again one of those players that's
going to go for twenty eight to thirty two dollars
later in the draft, and I thought, I'm just gonna
do this now because I had twenty three dollars set
for my wide receiver two, and when I got him
for twenty four, I said, perfect, he's my wide receiver two.
I'm still going to go for a wide receiver one.
So the beginning of the draft is going to be
the sitting down bonus. Most of the time pay attention

(29:14):
to that. It's usually less than one round. It can
be as few as a couple of players. So in
this particular draft, how did I notice the shift was happening?
Two things gave me that notice. Number one was that
Seedee Lamb was called out with the tenth nomination and
he went for fifty five dollars. That told me that

(29:38):
people were warming up. We had gone through nine picks already,
and then Lamb went for fifty five. That's a reasonable
price in that draft. I think it's actually a little
bit high. But for this league it's fine. The money
tends to squeeze at the top. But when I saw
that fifty five for Lamb, I said, okay, people are
heating up now. And then the very next pick, somebody
called out Greg Dorsch. And here's a quick lesson. I

(30:01):
have to say this again, and I've said it before,
but if you reach too far down in your ADP chart,
in your in your value chart, whatever the case, may be,
way too far down in your tiers. A player like
Greg Dortch is a one dollar player, folks. He might
be a two dollars player, but he ended up going
for four dollars, and I thought, well, that's pretty weird

(30:22):
that somebody wants to waste four dollars on Greg Dortch.
But we are off and running, and then at that
point the shift was on. Okay, so I noticed when
Lamb and Dorsch went back to back like that, I
think We had Josh Allen in there as well for
twenty one dollars, just like Hurtz. But then no player
went for less than thirty dollars for quite a while,

(30:44):
all right. So that was the shift when Lamb went
for the correct price, not the forty six dollars for
Chase or thirty two dollars for Puka Held. Nico Collins
went for twenty five bucks in there, and I was
a little bit frustrated. I didn't bit on Nico Collins
in there because that price is too low too, But
I noticed the shift happened, and then we're into the

(31:04):
second phase of the draft. Your first phase, your first
mini phase, is that sitting down bonus is the room
hot or cold right out of the gate, Jump on
that immediately. Then this shift happens. Notice when the top
players start being taken for at or above market value,
then you notice the shift has happened, and the auction

(31:26):
is truly a foot at that point because big players
are going to start to come out and big money
is about to be spent. So at this point, the
second part of the draft, after that first inflection point
is when the money is really still full, but most
of the players that being nominated are elite players, their
top level players, and this is going to last for

(31:48):
about three to four rounds. Okay, about three to four
rounds to get most of those elite top players, the
top two to three tiers exhausted. It's really important in
this range. You've got to land a couple of them. Okay,
even if the prices are not what you want them
to be, you have to land a couple of them.

(32:08):
You're not going to get really good deals in this
portion of the draft. There's too much money in the
room and the players are too good. You just have
to have patience and pick off the best deal that
you think you can get. All the running backs and
wide receivers were going for. The running backs were a
little bit cheaper, they were upper teams load twenty load
of mid twenties, even a little bit upwards of that.
But most players were going for thirty dollars or more.

(32:31):
And even a guy like Austin Ekeler was called out
or Ray Davis was called out during this phase of
the draft. They went for too much money. It's the
Greg Dorts principle I should start calling it that you
can't reach too far down in your ADP chart, the
players are going to be too much money. Ekeler went
for eleven dollars. That's an eight dollars player. Later in

(32:52):
the draft. Ray Davis went for six bucks. That's a
two dollars player. Later in the draft. You were wasting
money by calling out those players too early. That is
too early to bring them out when the bidding is high.
It's fast and furious on elite players. You are not
going to be cute and get those players out there
and get a deal. You're going to lose money, I

(33:13):
promise you, all right. So the second phase that we
entered here was when the money was full and most
of the players being nominated are the elite top players.
Right then you just got to have some patients. You
got to have some patients. The next shift happened right
around the five point one to zhero mark. So near
the end of the fifth round, what I noticed was

(33:36):
David and Djoku gets called out. He goes for eight dollars,
and then six straight players were called out that went
for less than eight dollars. So even though they were
reasonably decent players, they went cheaper than they should have gone,
and they were all very so we were dipping down
into the ADP ranks at that point, and the players

(33:57):
were not overpriced all of the sudden, I said, uh, oh,
this is a shift. So we have shifted again. So
here we were at the end of the second round,
we had a shift into the elite player tons of
money area, and then we saw another shift at the
end of round five. So we went about three and
a half rounds there, three and a half to even

(34:19):
four rounds there before we saw another shift, and I
noticed it happened because then players started to suddenly become
very reasonably priced. So at that point, what you have
to realize is that people are more interested in paying
the quote unquote correct price for a player.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
At that point.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
They're also waiting on some of the more top level
players that are still available, but there are deals there
because the money is starting to be tapped out on
some of the elite players. However, there are still some
really good players left and people are waiting on those players.
This isn't going to be as long as the previous

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mini part of the auction where we talked about all
of the elite players flying off. In this particular case,
it only lasted for about two rounds and The only
thing I can say about this portion of the draft
is the money is going to be lower, but the
competition is still very fierce because the player pool is
starting to run low. But it isn't there yet. All right,

(35:26):
it's not gone yet. It's not completely scarce yet. And
the only thing I can tell you right now at
this point in the draft, hurry okay, hurry up. Get
a couple deals. And that's what I did during this
portion of the draft. I ended up landing Chris o'lave
for thirty two dollars. I knew I wasn't going to
be paying forty five or fifty dollars for my wide

(35:47):
receiver one. It just wasn't going to happen in this room.
And I said, okay, I'm going to step down into
a second round type player. And I was very happy
to land Olave for thirty two. Again, that ended up
being a nice deal later on, and then I got
Rashie Rice for eighteen dollars and Keenan Allen for thirteen.

(36:08):
I'm not a Keenan Allen guy, so I'm not here
to justify the price. I don't love Keenan Allen, but
but in an auction That is what dreams are made of.
Keenan Allen is my wide receiver four is perfect and
he was only thirteen bucks, And that's exactly what I want.
Remember us talking about the multiplication or the magnification of

(36:29):
people's opinions when you get into an auction. That's what's
at play here with Keenan Allen that thirteen dollars. You know,
maybe I'm going to be dumb. You know, maybe I'm
the dumb one here and I'm expecting something from Allen
that he's not going to give me. Maybe he's just
not going to be very productive. And I wasted a
pick because the rookie is too good and DJ Moore
is too good. But I just don't believe that thirteen

(36:51):
dollars as my wide receiver four in this type of draft.
I don't believe that's a bad play. I'm willing to
be wrong on that because I love Keenan Allen as
a wide receiver four. Back to the point, the only
thing I can tell you about this portion of the
draft is the competition is still fierce, but there are
going to be deals as people are waiting on the
higher level players. This is my favorite part of the

(37:13):
draft because at this point people still have money, but
they're starting to run out of money, so they're more
cautious than they were. In the previous portion. They weren't
as cautious because they're just trying to land top players.
That's a feeding frenzy. In this particular portion, they're saving
their money for the better players that are still left,
and that's when you land the deals. That's how I

(37:35):
got Rice for eighteen, That's how I got Keenan Allen
for thirteen. If those were the last players left, they
would have gone through the roof. So all I can
say about this portion of it is hurry, hurry and
get your deals because you're going to use some of
those players as your core of your team. And if
you can get deals, that's how you start to build
the championship roster. So when was the next shift, Well,

(37:57):
the next shift was barely two rounds later. The seven
point h six was DK Metcalf. He was called out
sixth in the seventh round and he went for thirty
four dollars. Now, folks, I am not here to tell
you that I can guarantee Chris o' lobby is going
to finish ahead of DK Metcalf. But if you're asking me,
would I rather have a Lave for thirty two or

(38:18):
Metcalf for thirty four, it ain't close. Not only do
I believe the lobby is going to beat him straight up,
but I got him for two dollars cheaper. I saw
that happen and I said, Oh, WHOA, what's going on here?
And I realized that we had entered a new phase
of the draft. We had entered the phase where there
are some players left, but there's number one, a couple

(38:41):
people with money, and nobody else has any money, and
there aren't that many players that we could consider to
be impact players still left in the pool. So there's
only a few guys left in the top tier. And
this is when I noticed this shift, and I said,
we're entering the get your guy tear. And that's something
that I've talked about in years past. The get your

(39:03):
guide territory is when people start to say, I don't
care about prices, and I don't care about the fact
that this player should be going for a few more bucks.
They're just there to land the guys that they want
at that point, and those are the lower level guys
that people start to get excited about and start to think, Hey,
I can land this guy or that guy for this price.

(39:24):
So they start waiting and the deals come fast and furious.
But at the same time, there is a massive inflation
that happens at the top with a few remaining players.
So at this point, this is a really great illustration
because right around the middle of the seventh round I
realized we had tapped out most of the tiers of

(39:45):
the people that were really desirable at this point, but
we still had Chris Godwin, Calvin Ridley, and Christian kirkleft
as three impact players. And we're talking about like, okay,
those three guys are left, and then like nobody down
to like Tyler Lockett and those type of players. Nobody
left after those three guys. I noticed this shift with

(40:08):
these game metcalf happened for that thirty four bucks, and
after that, nobody topped twenty dollars for the rest of
the draft except those three players, Godwin, Ridley, and Kirk.
I think maybe there was like a Najie Harrison there
for like twenty one bucks, but other than that, from
the middle of the seventh round on, no player went

(40:31):
for more than twenty dollars. If you can't notice that
shift happening, you're not paying attention. I'm not saying you're
going to hit every shift. But when you see Metcalf
go for thirty four and then the prices fall off
a cliff, you know what's happened. He went for thirty
four because there was three or four players in the
room that had money and nobody else did. What does
that tell you? That tells you that you should have

(40:51):
landed your players already, right, And that's what I was
so happy about with my own performance. I'm not here
to say I'm gonna win this league, this amazing team.
I like my team a lot, But what I'm saying
is I noticed this stuff happening, and I noticed that
the squeeze was coming, and we went on a break
right after this stuff started happening. I knew the squeeze

(41:12):
was coming, and I was very pleased that I wasn't
going to be involved in that part of it. You
can see that coming by seeing the prices dropping and
by seeing the player pool scarcity that's left. So in
this portion of the draft, that get your guy portion
of the draft, all the prices started to go lower

(41:32):
and lower and lower. No player top twenty dollars after
that point in the draft. At that point you got
to be done with the core of your team. You
can't be afforded to be paying the prices that these
guys went for. Godwin went for twenty seven, really went
for thirty one, and Kirk went for twenty nine. Point being,
those are overpays. I'm not saying those are bad players.

(41:55):
I'm not saying they can't live up to that price,
but those are overpays for what the room was doing.
Had those players been called out earlier, they would not
have gone for that price. So that's what we're talking about.
We're talking about a squeezing of the budget to the top.
And at this point it didn't really pay to have
all the money because you're just overpaying. Now, if you're

(42:16):
one of those people that has the money, then go overpay.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I've said this time and time again. It's better to
overpay and land the player than it is to be like,
I'm not paying that for a cant and Ridley. Look,
it doesn't matter if you pay thirty one for Calvin Ridley,
and it's not a good deal if you don't have
enough impact players on your team and you have the money,
go pay the money. It doesn't matter. This isn't a
beauty pageant. This isn't to tweet out your team and say,

(42:42):
look at how great I am with the deals I got.
This is to land the best players that are left.
The goal, though, is to not be one of those
teams to have already landed your core and you want
to land that corep before you get in to get
your guy territory, because weird things can happen. At this point,
we are in the middle of the seventh round, and
then it went for a while with a lot of

(43:05):
players just going between six and fifteen dollars, and at
that point I knew that I needed to act quickly
to get my last my last player on my starting lineup.
There weren't that many players left that I really cared
about at this point, but I isolated Tony Pollard as
a guy that I wanted to get because I felt

(43:26):
like if he plays better with a lower snap count
this year in a pass heavy offense, I think the
potential is there for him to have forty catches and
be a nice player. But he's my last starter. To me,
the talent level of a Tony Pollard. To have him
be my last starter was too good to pass up.

(43:46):
So I pulled a drop your par sheet moment, and
I decided, I'm going to have to do this for
somebody at some point. And the next shift happens a
little bit later where And the next shift happened right
around the beginning of the eleventh round, Right around the
beginning of the eleventh round, where I noticed a couple

(44:07):
guys like Zeke Elliott and Gus Edwards going for far
too cheap. Elliott went for four dollars, Gus Edwards went
for seven. I was a little bit frustrated about the
Gus Edwards price, but at the time that it happened,
I knew that I was going after Pollard and I
didn't want to blow my chance to get Pollared. I
also knew that rich Reebar was in the room and

(44:27):
he had a lot of money, and I thought he's
going to bid me up on Pollared. I might have
to pay more than I want to. That is actually
what ended up happening. I threw out my par sheet.
I said, I'm getting my last starter. I don't care.
I think at that point I only had twenty nine
dollars as my max bid, and I ended up spending
seventeen dollars on Pollard. And I know you're all saying,
whoa seventeen bucks? Yeah, that was way too much as

(44:48):
a huge overpay. If I called out Pollard earlier in
the draft, he would have been an eight or ten
dollars player in this room. That's different than the year's past.
But in this room he's an eight or ten dollars
players this year, maybe twelve. I ended up paying seventeen.
I knew it was an overpay. I didn't care. That
was the last guy I really cared about having as
my last player. I think he's better than Zeke, He's

(45:09):
better than Gus.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I didn't care about Devin Singletary, Jonathan Brooks is gonna
miss a month. These are all guys that went after.
But I didn't care because I wanted Pollard.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I did an overpay.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
That's fine. I threw out the party and did an overpay.
I thought I would still be able to get one
more guy, but it didn't end up happening because we
were in a new phase of the draft where the
squeeze is on. Okay, so after get your guy mode,
the squeeze is on. And what's the squeeze. Well, that's
when there's high, high competition for any available player that's

(45:42):
not a one to three dollars player. We have low
cap space. But this is a really important part of
the draft because I don't want you to assume that
someone having just a few bucks left means that you're
gonna get a deal, because often it's the opposite. At
this point, the competition for those last players becomes fierce,

(46:03):
and even if players don't have very much money, Oh,
this guy only has a sixteen dollars max PID, he
might go to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
On that player.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
So you think you're getting a deal, but in reality,
it's probably the opposite. Now keep in mind I had
to make this play, Unpollard, and what it did was
it destroyed my whatever advantage I had left because I
had some of the most money in the room at
that point other than Rich and one other team, I
think Ryan mcdalla's team. So I'm doing good about money.
I'm feeling good. I'm thinking I'm going to fight my

(46:32):
way to the.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Top of the pile.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
But Pollard comes up and I say I got to
go after it because this is the guy that I've
isolated and I'm not going to let that go, and
then I have to pick up the scraps, all right.
And I felt great about that because Singletary went for
thirteen Brooks went for twelve. I'd much rather have Pollard
straight up than those players, even though I paid more.
But in this range here, with the high competition and

(46:54):
low cap, it still led to some wonky prices. Brandon
Cooks went for eleven dollars. Tyler Lockett went for seventeen dollars.
He was one of the last few players that people said, oh, hey,
this guy's going to play a lot. He went for
seventeen bucks. Folks, that is a massive overpay. Right now,
I'm not saying the guy who took him did a
bad job, because he needed him and he had money,

(47:15):
so just spend the money. I had advised him to
do that again if we had to do it all
over again. But the point is, if you're watching for
the shifts, you'll see this coming and you'll know I
got to land the player that I want now, all right,
So you shift from get my guy mode and when
the shift happens into high competition, low cap, don't assume
you're about to get a bunch of deals. In fact,

(47:36):
assume the opposite that you're probably going to have to
overpay for one of the guys that's left that you
really want.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Brandon Cooks is.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Not an eleven dollars player, Tyler Lockett's not a seventeen
dollars player. Devin Singletary is not a thirteen dollar player.
Not in this room. If they go two shifts ago,
if we think back to the previous the previous shift
where I talked about I noticed at the end of
the fifth round with Ndjoku for eight bucks and then
a bunch of players for less money and Keenan Allen

(48:04):
for thirteen. If you flip back to that, you'll see
that if Devin Singletary had come up during that time,
or if Tyler Lockett had come up during that time,
they're going to be half the price. But that's what
this shift signals. Hey, there's some weird pricing going on
for these guys. Why are these prices so high? You're

(48:25):
in that zone, you're in that high competition for the
last couple of reasonably decent players and there's almost no
cap left. But it leads to wonky inflationary prices or
prices that just fall through the floor, like I think
Zeke for four dollars is weird. I'm not saying he's
going to be a great player, but he should be
a six or eight dollars player at that point. So
people are still kind of waiting, but they're also panicking

(48:47):
a little bit on what talent is left. Now after
that we get to the end. I think right around
thirteen point zh six is when I noticed the shift
into dollar time. And this doesn't mean that every players
a dollar from there on out, but it is generally
how that goes. So it took us all away till
about three rounds from the end, about two and a

(49:08):
half rounds from the end before we got into that
dollar time. Now, that doesn't mean every player is a dollar.
It means that most players are going to be nominated
for a dollar and go for one to four dollars.
So the most important thing that you can do is
number one, try to have a few bucks yourself so
that you can pay more than one dollar. It stinks
only have one dollar for a player. And you know,
if you call out that player that you want and

(49:30):
somebody else says two, you're out and you can't do anything,
So try to have a couple bucks for your last
couple of players if you can. And then also remember
that your opening bid during the last phase of the
draft is extremely important. Figuring out what other teams need
and the teams with money what they're going to do,
and also figuring out what the room thinks about certain

(49:53):
players is huge because sometimes you do want to call
a player out for a dollar and get them for
a dollar, but sometimes you want to call a player
out for two bucks because oftentimes when you call out
a player for a dollar, you end up with them
for three because somebody says two, and then you have
to say three. At the end of a draft, when
your max bid is, say seven bucks, and you've got

(50:14):
four spots left, the difference between spending one dollar and
three dollars is massive. So suss out those moments when
you should be starting with a two dollar bid because
two rarely becomes four at the end of the draft,
but one can often become three. Well, that is my
lesson on inflection points, and I did that through the

(50:36):
lens of The King's Classic Draft because I think it's
really interesting to note. But you can go back and
pick out your standard shifts in any auction draft. In
this way, they're not always going to be the same shifts,
and they're not always going to occur at the same time,
but this gives you a general guideline when you sit down,
is the room cold? Are you going to get your

(50:57):
sitting down bonus? Then look for that first player that
goes for full price or over market price. You've shifted
into the second phase of the draft, where it's elite players,
tons of money and tons of competition. That's when you
got to land a few players. You can't call out
players that are too deep into the ADP list or
into your value sheet. You're not going to get many

(51:18):
good deals. Have some patience, but land a player. Are
two here and then notice a shift of people getting
away from the elite player nominations and they're starting to say, Okay,
I want to have a little bit more patience for
some of the top players that are left because things
are starting to get a little bit scarce.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
You've gone three or four rounds.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Now you're into the fifth or sixth round of nominations
and you realize that the player pool is getting a
little bit scarce. At this point, you need to hurry.
You need to hurry up and get your deals and
get the core of your team assembled, because the next
shift is in to get your guy mode, and when
you get into get your guy mode, it's going to
get even crazier. The last couple players that anybody cares

(51:59):
about are going to shoot through the roof in price,
and at that point you don't want to be beholden
to that market. You want to be able to sit
back and say I've got my five to eight core
players and I can simply wait on the correct moment
to strike. And then, of course you have the all
important shift into the high competition, low dollar phase, and

(52:22):
this is often the most maddening part of the draft,
where there's a ton of competition for the last couple
of guys that anybody cares about, but you have low dollars,
so people are oftentimes throwing all the rest of their
money at those players, and when you think you're going
to get a deal, you're often going to get the opposite.

(52:42):
The squeeze is on in that second to last phase,
and then the final phase is the dollar phase, where
you have to be extremely careful with your nominations and
call out one or two dollars nominations in the correct
moment and in the correct spot. It's not always easy.
Sometimes you're going to be wrong, and the dollar phase
is sometimes going to be frustrating because you're going to

(53:03):
lose out on players that you really want. But if
you have a couple bucks where you can be the
guy that says two or you can be the guy
that says three, then a lot of times that's going
to be the difference in finishing out your roster strong
or finishing it out with a little bit of a whimper,
like unfortunately I did on Saturday. So I love my team.
I love my starting lineup. I don't love my bench.

(53:23):
There's a lot of crap on my bench. I drafted
a couple backup tight ends because those are valuable in
this league. And I drafted some fly or receivers like
Elijah Moore, Josh Reynolds, Odell Beckham. Those aren't guys I'm
proud about. In fact, I don't care about them at all.
I'm going to drop them immediately if they don't have
any playing time early in the season for the next

(53:45):
best thing to come along. The Kien Williams, the Puka
and aakua. Whatever it's going to be, I'm going to
be jumping on the wire and trying.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
To fill that bench.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
All right, Well, that is a rundown of how inflection
points work. They're not always going to be the same.
But if you are noticed those shifts, if you're starting
to see those things happening in the room, I guarantee
it's going to add ev it's going to add expected
value to your draft, and it's going to help you
succeed because you're going to be noticing the shifts as

(54:14):
they happen, not after they happen, when there's nothing you
can do about it. Like I said, sometimes you're going
to miss them and that's okay. But the more you
look for, the more you practice it, the more you
try to see, hey, oh no, this is happening. I
gotta act quick. The better you're going to be, and
the further ahead of your league mates you're going to be,
and the more profits you're going to make inside that

(54:34):
auction draft room. All right, Well, you know, like I said,
every week, I feel like I could talk for two
hours about inflection points. There's so many different things about
them that we could discuss. I think we hit the
high points here, but it's time we're getting a little
bit deep into the episode. It's time to get onto
discussions with Drew and Bob Harris. We're going to talk

(54:54):
even more auction stuff here. We're going to talk about
the King's Classic, and then we're going to end discussions
with Drew by talking about some of Bob's favorite players.
He's chasing, some players that he's fading, and of course
a couple picks for some late round guys that he's
been drafting as well. I think you're going to really
enjoy this. Let's get on to discussions with Drew and
Bob Harris.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Time for discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
brightest minds in the fantasy industry.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew. Our guest this
week is one of my good buddies that this has
sort of become a tradition after Expo weekend because we
are in separate Kings Classic auction rooms. It's always fun
to compare notes after going through that draft with a
sort of unique format fourteen team format here. So I

(55:43):
brought my buddy Bob Harris on here. Excited to see
him this weekend and excited to see his face once
again on the Tuesday after expo. Thanks for being here, Bob.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Thanks for having me, Drew. This is like, you know,
I do love this just for the listener who's benefit.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Quickly.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
I started out in the King Classic or is my
really first serious auction drafts, and I'm drafting with brag
crews and you know, like guys who like you, who
know what they're doing, and I got my ass handed
to me. I mean, I was like, you know, and
it's been such a great experience for me learning and
going from literally the outhouse to the to the penthouse,

(56:21):
you know, being the defending People champion two years ago,
runner up last year. I've come a long way, and
a lot of it is, you know, thanks to these
discussions with you, these post mortems, and also doing some
other auctions with you. We've done some you know, for
various sites and stuff, and it's just it's so helpful
and and I've learned a lot and eager to share it.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Well before we get too far. In case you didn't know,
you can find him on Twitter at football die Hard,
and of course he is a serious XM radio host
also working with me now at football guys, which you know,
I say, working with me, but you predated me in
your involvement with football guys a long time because that's
where I found out who the great Bob Harris was.

(57:05):
I started following you twenty some years ago when you
partner with football guys.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So yeah, a lot of history there.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
It's a full circle thing, you know, not the ideal
circumstances that I had to find a new place, but
couldn't have been a more ideal landing spot.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
So love love being part of this team and then
joining you and joining forces with you as well.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, yeah, And you know, it's just fun to know
that Bob Harris is just you know, a couple of
feet away. I can walk over and say hi to him.
And that's what I got this whole weekend. And I'm
blessed again to have you the day after because I'm
fighting the post campon blues a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
How about you.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Well, I got more sleep than you, so I'm feeling
a little better. So this is a little known fact
for the listeners. Nobody gets less sleep during XBO weekend
than Drew Davenport.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Nobody.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
I'm not everywhere, I don't see everyone still this is
a limb.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I'm willing to go out. I'd even feel fairly confident.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
There was a Twitter poll yesterday over under six and
a half hours sleep. I will tell you you have
to smash the over here, even though I.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Understay, I never met the under.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Like if there's an over under bet that I think
is under, I don't bet it.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I've taken the over on this all day long with confidence.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
All Right, all right, I understand. Well, the good thing
was I didn't have to do much on Sunday, so
I did get a little bit of sleep Saturday night.
But I had a blast. I think my voice is
still recovering. That's okay. Got a little bit of a
deep thing going on that I can't I can't quite
shake yet.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
But we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
So hey, I'm happy to have you here because I
love hearing what's going on in the other room. And
the prices. Surprisingly, a lot of the prices were fairly
similar on some of the bigger players, so we're going
to talk a little bit about that. But there was
some interesting things going on in your room too. There's
a bit of turnover this year in both leads, so

(58:59):
we did have a little bit of odd stuff going on.
My room had it, your room had it. So we're
going to hit all that as we go through this here.
So I think we'll just kind of go big to
small here and talk about some of the bigger themes
and some stuff that happened, and then we'll get into
specifics of like, hey, what were the little weird nuances
that happened here to set the stage correctly. I know

(59:21):
I've talked about this a little bit this summer, but
it's a fourteen teamer, so that's always going to change
things a little bit. But also the biggest difference in
this league versus a quote unquote normal league would be
the number of flexes that we have. So no kickeror
no D three flexes along with three wide receivers. So
you're starting ten position players every week. One hundred and

(59:44):
forty position players every week in this league. Really, when
I look at my team coming out of the auction,
I don't have anybody on my bench. I have a
nice starting lineup and that's it. But I think that's
kind of how it goes here, right. I Mean, when
you were looking at the draft and you were trying
to prepare or just at least get your mind right.
What were you thinking about as far as your approach

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going into the auction.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
The usual like I want to get I'm looking for
a reasonably priced wide receivers that I think have higher
upside than other people think or up to date the
field is believed, and I'm going to try and get
a top end anchor player. And that's all, you know,
that's always That's been my goal every year since the
first couple of years, since I learned how to auction correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And uh and you know, pay attention to you know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
I think the key lesson I've learned over the course
of this time is stick with your values. You can
go over a little bit, it's okay, but like generally speaking,
stick with your values and and and I did a
good job of that, and I think I ended up
with at least the top end of it. And I
think that's to me the key. Get the top end
of your lineup what you want and figure out the rest.

(01:00:50):
And I think some of what I've learned also is
coming out of these drafts fort like same thing, like
the analysis.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
You know, I do radio shows about these.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Drafts right after and you're like, so, well, what do
you think your team, and the analysis is simple, Well,
it's a fourteen teamer, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
You know, and until you you're gonna have holes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Right, You're gonna have holes, and you try and figure
it out. I think some of my succeests are a
lot of my seests the last two years has come
through trades as the season went on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So but a solid foundation lad in the initial.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Auction is important and so so I really tried to
manage that. Had to do a lot of sitting on
my hands. There was a lot of patients involved. But
I think in general, I think you'll probably see the
same thing I did. There was a lot of emotions
didn't run wild early in our room, and I don't
think they did in your room either.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
No, And that's actually a great segue because that's where
I was going to go first, is to say, how
did your room start out? My room was very cold.
I bought three players in the first eight nominations, Bob,
I'm here to tell you that's never happened to me before.
But the room was cold, nobody was bidding, And when
I saw Puka go off the board for thirty two

(01:01:55):
bucks the fourth nomination, I thought, this is crazy, I
have to jump in. So how was it for you?
Were you guys cold or was it hot?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Right away?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
It was similarly cool, you know it was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
It was definitely not hot right like started out with
Tyreek Hill at forty nine dollars. I thought that was
pretty reasonable. Trey McBride at nineteen seemed a little.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Edgy to me, but like, you know, lower than I've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Right, Brandon, I have twenty six, Justin Jefferson forty three,
Barkley forty six, Malik Neighbors thirty would have liked some
of that, didn't get it. Did something else later, bijon
fifty two, and I'm just going, man, I'm I'm ready
to jump into this then, and so waited around.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Was it Josh Allen? What next?

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Wasn't interested myself, Derrick Henry was interested. It went over
my value. So I stopped and waited for Christian McCaffrey
and got him for a what I believed to be
a very reasonable fifty two dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, so it sounds like the same thing happened to
you that happened to me. We have a group of
savvy fantasy football players, so they were saying, okay, let's wait,
there's a lot of players, you know. Nico Collins went
for twenty five bucks, Puka went for thirty two, you know,

(01:03:12):
and right out of the gate, the first player that
was called out was Jalen Hurts, and I ended up
landing him for twenty one dollars. I'm not typically a
quarterback guy in auctions, but I know in fantasy or
with fantasy analysts, they're more likely to sit on their
hands when it comes to quarterback, so I jumped in
early with Hurts and that was the highest. You know,

(01:03:33):
Josh Allen went for twenty one also, but that was
the the highest quarterback. So my room was cool as well.
But then it started to heat up really. We got
into Isaiah Pacheco thirty four bucks, Tyreek Hill fifty three.
Even a guy like Austin Ekeler, who you'd expect to
be a six or eight dollars, he ends up going
for eleven. So it heat it up into the second
round pretty quickly. What did you notice about the new

(01:03:56):
managers that were in the room, the influx of different players.
You know, You've got you had Devi Closson that was
promoted from BLANDA. Yeah, jj Zacheries and you had Matt Harmon,
you had great Kellogg. What did the new blood do
to the prices?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Uh So, Dennis class and tilted the table.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
I had a very unique approach, and you know, in
theory I understand it. In reality, I don't know that
it'll work, but we'll see Dennise. Like I've been playing,
Dennis has been part of the King's Classic for a
number of years, so I'm not going to disparage him,
but I think, you know, he went heavy on tight ends.
He ends up with four starting tight ends and tilted
the table. In my mind, and and honestly, if i'm

(01:04:33):
you know, like sitting here self assessing, I think it's
one of the reasons I overpaid for The biggest overpay
I made was George Kittle at twenty dollars, and I
felt like part of that was the fact that so
many tight ends were off the board already, and he
ended up with Pat Fryarmuth, Kyle Pitts, Travis Kelcey. I'm
not sure what his allocations were per position. I'm guessing
he overshot his tight end allocations that he ended up

(01:04:56):
with little Port as well, so you know, and Friar
Moth went for twelve of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That was his first tight end, and I thought this
is odd. And then when he came.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Background and got Kyle Pitts for sixty and I said,
I wonder how he feels about that, Pat pryor move
now and what is he doing with those tight ends?
Next pier he yet is Dravis Kelsey for twenty three,
which I thought was a fantastic price.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yet again, you've got three tight ends.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
What are we doing here? And then he ended up
with a portal later and it just twenty one. And
so when I paid twenty for Kittle, I wasn't happy
to have paid twenty for Kittle.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Was damn glad to have Kittle.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
And part of that was, you know, the ability to
do that was that I didn't overpay on pieces earlier
in the draft, and I sat on my hands a
long time. I bowed out for quite a quite a
lengthy period just to make sure I could not you know,
I wasn't going to get the hammer backed, but I
wanted to be able to be competitive when it came
down to some of these players at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Well, I love that point that you just made, and
I want to hit that because I want to circle
back to the tight ends. But I want to hit
that real quick, because I've said this all summer long
on the show. It isn't necessarily about always having the
most money or having to have the hammer. It's just
about being competitive later and knowing that you're going to
have to be involved later. And that happened to me

(01:06:11):
because I got I locked down four wide receivers and
Jalen Hurts and Jonathan Taylor fairly quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
For me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
It was an unusual experience for me. But I was
trying to read the room and say this, these guys
are going to see a squeeze come here later, and
I don't think they realized what kind of squeeze is
about to happen, And so I was like, I got
to get in here. But then I said to sit
there forever. And there were certainly some guys that went
by that I didn't want to go by, but I
had to sit on my hands because otherwise it was

(01:06:39):
going to take me out. So there's a difference between
saying I'm going to have the most and saying, hey,
I got to at least be competitive here.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Great And it's interesting because you know the way it
bounces out there are players that I couldn't could have
gotten at really reasonable prices compared to the guy I
waited for, had I been able to jump into bidding
when I wanted to jump in the bidding. But still
I wanted to sit back because I wasn't you know,
you're you're following along and you're watching what your top

(01:07:06):
you know what your max bid is at any given
point in time, and I wanted that to get to
a certain point, and so I still waited out. But
you know, to my credit, I did that with Christian McCaffrey,
Mike Evans Tyler, Marie, Alvin Kamara, and Marvin Harrison on
my roster. I felt like at that point, I, you know,
having those pieces assembled, it was pretty easy to sit back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah. Well, and that's the key.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I got four receivers I liked, and then it gave
me a little bit of a luxury to sit back.
I think I got a little too complacent because I
wanted a fifth and I never really got a fifth.
My fifth ended up being a one dollar receiver, so
that didn't work exactly like I wanted to. I want
to circle back to the tight ends real quick, because
you were naming some prices, and I like comparing between

(01:07:51):
the rooms. The first tight end off the board in
our room went for twenty five bucks and it was
Sam Laporta.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I thought twenty five was fairly reasonable, but also it
sort of set the market there. Nobody was going to
bust that twenty five, which is an interesting part of
auction drafting in general. Kelsey went three picks later for
twenty five also, and then a little bit later Trey
McBride for twenty three, Andrews for twenty two, Kincaid for nineteen.

(01:08:19):
So here we go, we see the progression. So one
of the things I preach about all the time, and
I just have to hammer it here again, is that
if you're trying to land somebody a little bit lower,
like let's say you want Kincaid or Andrews and their
tight end four or five, get them out before the
big dogs set the market, because maybe you're going to

(01:08:40):
get a deal or maybe it's going to be wildly
out of control. And that's also benefits you to stay
out of that. But you can see it just went
twenty five, twenty five, twenty three, twenty two, nineteen like
that was very That was interesting to me I can't
believe Firemuth went for twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
That was nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
So we started out as I mentioned, I thought very
reasonable with McBride at nineteen, I thought, wow, it's cool
room and the rest of the round. But then prior
with being the next one off at twelve, I thought,
we've lost our mind, we already have forgotten how to
do this. And then Kyle Pittson next round sixteen, well baby,
we remember, and then Travis Kelcey the next round, oh,
twenty three, and then so later in that same round

(01:09:21):
of nominations, Dalton Kincaid went for eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Wanted to get in on.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
That, but still went a little over my valuation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Mark Andrews I thought was a really fair twenty one.
By the way, Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Ingram is the player I missed out on that. I
wish i'd hit on at thirteen dollars. That might have
been the best value at the position I when we
could argue about you know, we'll see how Rock Bowers
ends up at eleven and Jake Ferguson at fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I mean, there was a lot of reason.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Luke Preistki David jokuh I wasn't in on at ten,
but Evan Ingram at thirteen dollars. I thought was in hindsight,
as I look back on this, I said, man, I
should have chased that. I ended up getting George Kittle
for twenty. There was a little bit of a bidding war.
I think there was a handful of people with a
bit of tight end FOMO at that particular point in
time due to the you know, the claws and you know,

(01:10:09):
glombing onto to that number of players. So you know,
he had three by that point, and I'm going, well,
kind of the guys I wanted all got it feels
like just and maybe I applied my redraft brain to this,
but there's a cutoff, right, and like all the cutoff
guys were gone. Jake Ferguson was still out there, and
he's kind of my cutoff. But I thought, man, if
I could get Kittle here, and so I told myself

(01:10:31):
on the notion that Kittle was the last player I
had to have to make my starting lineup or you know,
the top end of my lineup really formidable. And and
by golly, I did that, and and but fortunately I
had waited long enough and I could afford to do that.
I didn't hurt myself by going over anymore than I
hurt myself getting into a little bit of a bidding
war with the two people sitting next to me, Dave

(01:10:52):
Richard and JJ Zach Grierson on Marvin Harrison Junior. There
was a little little emotional thing and I ended up
only on like I want to say, three or four
dollars over my valuation of him, but only because we
were like, you know, we were at that point, no, no,
you know, just the bids were flying fast and furious,
and I probably would have gone higher because we were

(01:11:12):
caught up in that little emotional meat grinder that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
And this is so much fun breaking this down because
one of the big takeaways here is not only that, hey,
it happens to all of us, and I had a
little bit of that happened to me with Rashly Rice.
I ended up spending eighteen bucks on him when I
really wanted to spend about fourteen or fifteen. But he
was my fourth wide receiver and I thought, boy, I'm
gonna get squeezed if I don't get number four quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
And the other thing is, you know, the whole Dennis
Glosson thing with all the tight ends We just have
to remember it's like any good spy novel or special
forces novel that I read in the past, that nothing
will be what you think it is when the bullets
start flying, and that whole tight end thing, it did
tilt the room. You know, you had some odd prices

(01:12:00):
because I'm looking at the tight end prices for us
and they were very stratified exactly how you think they
would be in your room and went completely nuts. But
you have to decide that am I dumping out of
the position completely and going for three dollars John's Smith
and two dollars no a fan, or am I overpaying
and grabbing Kittle anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Like it had I ended up with one dollar. Kate
Otten is my starting tight end. Based on what I'm
hearing from people I'm talking to in Tampa Bay, it
might not have been the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
And you know, I know we view Kittle as as
boom bust.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
He is a little bit boom bust, also consistently in
the top of the tight end ranks. When the seasons
said and done, It's just there's gonna be some uneven
weeks there, so you know, yeah, it was a it
was definitely the fear of missing out that that forced
me into that, and the fact that the room had
been tilted, like you know, you look back looking back
on it later, I mean Don Schultzmian for five dollars.

(01:12:52):
I mean the guy I like a lot Tyler konklm
was a dollar guy. I mean, if I had gone
down the end and waited this out and not gotten
kittlebably would have gotten some great prices. But I'm not
sure what else I would have spent on at that point.
Looking at some of the players going later.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
We were now there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
There was a little point drew in this draft where
I want to say, in the right at the start
of the final quarter, where things heated up a little
bit and I thought, you know, and people started getting
a little edgy or it just seemed like there was
a lot more emotional bidding and I was sitting out
of most of it. But it was really interesting. It's
something I've usually seen at the started drafts that like

(01:13:28):
adrenaline flowing right out of the gate.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Seemed like it happened well into this draft.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
I want to talk about that because today's topic that
I was talking about by myself before coming on with
you is about inflection points and recognizing those points when
things start to happen. And it's a little bit odd
because you don't always recognize them as they're happening, but
you can look back and say, oh, that was clearly
a moment where I should have jumped in. So the goal,

(01:13:56):
of course is to try to continue to watch those
things and see the inflection as they're happening, although it
doesn't always occur that way because we can't always see
it that it shifted and we didn't realize it. I
want to ask you about a couple of year prices,
just because I want to get a baseline for what
we're talking about here. What did you end up paying
for Evans and Kamara?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
For Evans and Kamara, I ended up paying forty six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Dollars Okay, all right, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Better for Evans, twenty two for Kamara.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Okay, that's way better than our room. Evans went for
twenty eight in our room, and then Kamara went for
twenty seven in our room. So yeah, I think there's
an interesting dynamic with the new drafters in my room,
and I'm sure it happened in your room as well.
But the format of the King's classic is so unique

(01:14:45):
that the veterans in the room in the previous years
were better at recognizing that they didn't want to get
squeezed out. So what that ended up doing was all
the money kind of trickled down and even the players
that like I had this visceral reaction to some players
last year, like I'm not paying that for that guy.
And then I remember looking at my sheet being like, well,
who am I going to pay for that? And that

(01:15:07):
was a veteran thing. That was a thing where everybody
in the room knew the squeeze was coming, and it
ramped up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Quickly in this room. It was odd.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
There was way too many deals. I felt like in
the middle of the draft would I couldn't spend, but
they weren't like players that were better than I had
on my team. It wasn't like that, but I couldn't
spend like I wanted to. Did you feel like the
lack of veterans kind of left a little dearth of
I think was there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Were some issues Greg kell Ogg's love Greg, but also
not you know, not an experienced Novis player ended up
with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes for a total of
thirty five dollars in his first three you know, nominated
in the first three rounds of nominations. That was, you know,
I've been that guy before I did it because I
was price enforcing. I don't think he was. You know,

(01:15:55):
his comment was, well, you know, somebody else can't have him.
You can't have somebody else, so you know, and but also,
like you know, whatever his approach is, or whatever Dennis's
approach is, it changes the dynamic of the room and
the way people view their own rosters and the available
remaining players, and it changes kind of the outlook on

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things and also throws a little wild card and you're
not sure what the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Hell that guy's gonna do. Right, So, and so that maybe, like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Auctions, you know, emotion are part of them. And the
more you can, like just like anything, the more you
divorce emotion from your process, the better off you're gonna
be also divorcing your emotion from the process. It's so hard, right,
there are times when it's just like that's you know,
we all know that's part of life, and you know,
you try to do the best you can, realizing that
times are gonna you're gonna come short. And I think

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that's that's where I went. There was like, you know,
some just some some guys that were like randomly more
expensive than I thought, guys that were randomly less expensive
than I thought. And it just like seemed to be
like each individual pick kind of depended on what was
going on around.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah, we got into I'm looking here in the tenth round,
tenth and eleventh round of nominations. Rich Reebar had a
bunch of money left he did not spend quickly enough,
and there was only a couple players left that fit
what he needed to do. I was very curious about
how he was going to handle it. But what ends
up happening is Chris Godwin, let's see Calvin Ridley, And

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there was one other player, Christian Kirk. So all three
of those guys are still left in the tenth and
eleventh rounds of nominations, which is really late, but that
happens a lot, and it's an instructive point because all
the players around those three players that were nominated within
about twenty picks of each other, all the players around

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them are one to eight dollars players. We're so deep
in the draft, it's two three four eight, one seven
two four and then boom twenty seven Chris Godwin, right,
and then boom thirty one Calvin Ridley. Now, if Calvin
Ridley had gone in round five, he would have been
a nineteen dollar player in our room. He went for

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thirty one Chris Godwin twenty seven, he would have been
a twenty two or twenty dollars player. So we never
want to get caught in that zone where we're that
late trying to snap up the last three guys left.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Yeah, I noticed that, you know, Dave Richard held a
hammer in this one for for a lengthy period of time,
and he wields it judiciously like he's a he's a sharp,
experienced player, right, And he used it and I think
he changed some pricing on some players that he wasn't
necessarily interested in, not price enforcing, just influencing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
And and I thought he did a great job of that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
And it was great to be sitting out that portion
of the draft, I would say, and uh, And like
the biggest lesson I learned on this is like, you know,
guys come up and there are players I wanted badly,
Like there's players I just love, and we'll talk about
some of those, but like I already have two of those.
I don't get another one of those. I don't get
another one of that guy. I already have two of
that guy. And that's all I get in those guys.

(01:18:58):
I gotta I gotta back. And that's the that's kind
of been to me. The revelation of auction drafting is
is coming to the understanding that, like, I know, you
talk about people, I got two first round players, you know,
and that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Little bit stretch.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
I feel like I got I got players who aren't
going in the first round to I believe our first
round level talents and Mike Evans and maybe even Marvin
Harrison junior, maybe Kyler Murray ends up that right so
or at least you know, the top five or top
ten of their position. But but but you've got to
come to grips with that, and even players that I
really love and I would have loved to have who

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for really reasonable prices. And that was the hardest part
of sitting on your hands.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Like, wow, that's a good price. I should be getting this. No,
I don't need that right now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
And that's that's I think, that's I feel like I've
come to that portion of my auction journey where I've
matured to the level where I'm able to do that,
And it's not an easy place to get to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
It's not it's so hard, and I'd say that all
the time. I think it might be the biggest stumbling
block for me for most auction drafters is passing up
the deals that you see and you just have this,
you just have this. Oh my gosh, I can't believe
that he went that cheap. Here's a perfect example. Gus
Edwards went for seven dollars. Now, I'm not a Gus

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Edwards fan, but I already had Jamonte Williams for eleven,
I had DeAndre Swift for thirteen. I couldn't afford eight
dollars for Gus Edwards. And it probably wasn't stopping at
eight with what he needed, you know, it was probably
going to ten or twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I couldn't afford that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
So watching a guy go who might be the RB
one and goal line back for seven bucks was really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But I just I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I knew I needed one more impact player and taking
that seven bucks sometimes off of your top number there
it takes away your hammer, or it takes away roster
flexibility that you need, and roster flexibility in itself is
its own currency. Later in the draft, So there were.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Two players I really like, chrish and Watson in Jameis
and Williams kind of the same range of redrafts but
at same price range here. But they went to a
point where I wasn't drafting players. I just I was
sitting back and they went really reasonable prices and it
was hard to watch them go Watson for eleven, Williams
for twelve. Like you know, I mean to me, Watson

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has that difference making talent. I mean, he hasn't been
staying on the field, but I'm counting on the scientists
this year. I say, they fixed those hamstrings or quads,
however you want to look at that. But and so
I ended up waiting till later, and I ended up
with DeAndre Hawkins for ten. And I can live with that, right,
Like you know, I've got a guy I think probably

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has a higher floor and missed out on the guys
I think they have that massive.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Ceiling in all of the same prices.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Well, and sometimes in King's Classic the floor is what's
important at some point because it is so hard to
find starters as you get later in the season. But well, hey,
we could break down King's as for two hours. I'm
sure this is a lot of fun. But let's since
we're getting a little deep here, let's talk a little
bit about I want to just talk about, like move

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off the auction just a little bit and just say
some players that we are looking at right now. This
has evolved a lot, and I love this question for
my guests because now, sitting here in the middle of August,
my answers have changed a lot, and I know my
guests' answers have changed a lot about who they're drafting
a lot of who they're fading right now. So maybe
I don't know one or two three. However, many guys

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you want, Guys that you're chasing a lot that you
really like, and on the other side of the coin,
guys that you're fading that you're not that interested in
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Evans is one of the guys I've been chasing a lot.
Alvin Kamara's a guy I've been chasing a lot because
they're reasonly priced. I think they are set to outproduce,
easily outproduce.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Their draft value.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Derreck Henry in particular goes to a team of five
hundred and forty one rushes last year, the most of
the NFL, running behind a better offensive line that he
ran behind last year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
And I know everyone's out there, but he's old. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
It was like the seventh fastest speed in the NFL
last year, the sixth highest breakaway rate last year, working
behind one of the worst offensive lines in football.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
That all changes this year. So and I'm overpaid for him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
I'm overpaying or I'm paying whatever it takes to get
Anthony Richardson, and when I miss on him, I'm getting
Jane Daniels at a more reasonable price. I think they're
kind of the million dollar winning lottery tickets, right when
you walk in the store and there's some Oh, here's
a twenty five thousand dollars scratch, or here's your fifty
thousand dollars. Oh, and here's the million dollar tickets. I'll
take two of those, please, and Richardson and Daniels for me.

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They're risky plays, people, but it's a quarterback, so it
doesn't matter. You can mitigate that risk with a super
solid starter well into the double digit rounds of your
draft as needed, so feel free to indulge yourself, even
if you think you're overpaying a little bit. Some of
the later guys I mentioned, Christian Watson and Jamison Williams,
I think you know there were super reasonably priced guys.
Juliel McLoughlin's a guy I'm getting way late in drafts.

(01:23:57):
It's like my running back four or five, who I
think we'll have a role regardless. We've seen Sean Payton's
time sixteen years in New Orleans. The target share for
running backs is off the charts, and there's always a
guy who gets the most of them, and it has
been consistent throughout his career.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
He seems to have a thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Whatever we think about, you know, the Javonte Williams, the
shifts in the dynamic for him over the course of
this offseason, and then they have shifted. He's definitely back
in favor. That doesn't change anything you should think about
jillil McLaughlin. Who's going to continue to have that receiving
role in this offense. So that's another one. And Brandon
Cooks irresistible at cost, Irresistible at costs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I can't not get him. I think the last draft
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
I got him around fourteen, which I think is ridiculous, right,
And I'm drafting with you know, not nobody. He's not
shloves and you know our listing audience on serious are
pretty sharp cookies.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I just think he's being wildly overlooked.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
I know it wasn't the best of the years last year,
but this is going to be a pass heavy offense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
I think Ceedee Lamb will be there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
I don't care, and Ceedee Lamb will be fantastic and
he'll take care of all your needs if you draft
him in the first round.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Brandon Cooks at cost is irresistible to me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
He is, and I keep wondering why he's not pushing
up the draft boards a little bit more. It's just
it's a little bit interesting. I think that a lot
of people are scared of what they saw over the
first half. I really felt like he got more comfortable
in the second half last year when I pulled I
talked about this not long ago, but when I pulled
some of the snap shares, I really expected to see
a bigger split there where Cooks played more over the

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second half of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I mean, he played. He was the guy who was
playing second most snaps and running the second most routes
from most of the year, but it certainly seemed like
he got more comfortable there in the second half of
the season. I don't know if that carries over or not.
But what's the risk. I mean, there's no risk at
this point, right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
That's always the key if you're out there listening, go ooh.
He's like kind of a download, yes, but he's the
possibility of Like there's a reason he keeps getting these
thousand yard seasons over the course of his career.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
He's fast and pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
And you know, the talk is John Michodia from the
Athletic I've talked to him a couple of times, and
he says the connection we're seeing on the deep ball,
they've had a full off season to work together or
Dak and cooks, and that seems to be a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Great locker room presence.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
All that I don't really care about, but it matters
to the Cowboys, so that's a big deal. And players
I have avoiding are the guys that cost like Pukinaku.
I think we've been drafting wrong, right, Like, you know,
we're drafting guys at ceiling Like any time you're drafting
someone coming off an historic season, you're paying an historic premium, right,
So I mean, and he may well hit it again.

(01:26:25):
He may be fantastic, but what's the opportunity costs? Who
are you missing out on by drafting him. I feel
the same about Jamiir Gibbs, and you know the current
injury issue NotI was standing the same with Fuka.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
I just think we've not been drafting them absolutely correctly.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
I don't think we've been drafting Devon h and most
are correctly either in redraft in best ball. Yes, you know,
get all the h hand you can and pay all
you want for him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
He's gonna have be a you know, a shifting player,
a game shifting player.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
On for a number of weeks, but consistently predicting that redraft,
I think it's gonna be hard. Not that I won't
draft him. I do have shares, It's just the price
has not been right. Drop some and I'm fine with
it now. So like those higher end guys, I feel
like Marvin Harrison Junior. If we had this conversation last year,
I was talking about Jamiir Gibbs as a great fourth
round pick because Bjeon Robinson, he has all the characteristics

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except playing two hundred pounds. The Bjeon Robinson had early
first round draft capital a team that wants him anticipate role,
and we saw how that worked out. So it wasn't
that Bjon was gonna be bad. It was that Jamir
Gibbs was gonna be good, and he was much cheaper.
I feel the same with Malik Neighbors versus Marvin Harrison
Junior this year, and I know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I heard the people out there, but his quarterback's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Tell that to a wide receiver twelve Adam Feelin last
year through twelve weeks playing with Bryce Young, literally the
worst quarterback in the NFL on the lowest scoring offense
in the NFL. I could go back and run you
through a litany of receivers who have fared extremely well
despite having a lousy quarterback play or what we perceived
to be lousy quarterback play going to the season.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
It's like being a cave man.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
You hear noise outside the cave, like the amounse might
be a saber tooth tiger. You think it's a saber
tooth tiger. Just a case, right, You blow that up
in your head and oh, here it is. Do you know,
do you know Smith wasn't the worst thing that ever
happened last year. Baker Mayfield wasn't the worst thing that
could have happened to Mike Evans, right, So you know,
I try to take that into account. And so for me,
Malik Neighbors at costs, although the cost is rising on him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
And that, you know, I think that kind.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
Of tends to dampen my enthusiasm over the course of
time on these players when I'm getting them cheaper, but
they kind of get a little riz as the season
goes the preseason and next the summer goes on. So
so that's happening a little bit with Neighbors. Maybe the
latest injury will cool the ardor a little bit. But
but I'm not getting a lot of Marvin Harrison Junior
because we're drafting him at a perceive.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
We're doing the same thing with Drake London, and I
get why.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
I mean, we're not drafting last year's best team, We're
drafting this year's best team. But you know, some of
the projections to me are a little aggressive, and there
are players I feel more comfortable with who I think
have demonstrated, you know, the ability to hit their ceiling
or closer they're seeling on a more regular basis in
good situations at cheaper prices.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Excellent stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Let me tell you that there was two things that
popped into my head when you were talking there. There
was a I was I'm in a twelve team snake
recently where it got to me at the end of
the first round and the receivers had just been absolutely decimated,
and I'm sitting there looking at what is left. And
the odd thing to me about Drake London is I
don't want him where he's being drafted, yet I can't

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really make a super strong argument for most of the
guys behind him to be taken right there, which is
why I love auction, because I don't have to make
that decision. And so I'm sitting there looking like, is
it Garrett Wilson or Drake London? And I'm chuckling because
it's two older quarterbacks coming off Achilles injuries, and here
we are just aggressively saying who cares top of the

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second or bottom of the first.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
That's wild to me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
But at the same time, I couldn't really make a
case for any of the guys behind Garret Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I ended up taking him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
So I don't like it at any you know, I
don't like it, But at the what am.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I going to do there?

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
There there are players that you know are going so
part of what we do in the early rounds because
you have to. You're drafting players that they're ceiling or
they're perceive ceiling no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
You're not getting Christian McCaffrey anywhere but the first couple
of picks, but rarely right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
And and there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
Reason for that, and and and so I can justify him,
or I can justify I think a J.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
There's a range of guys going and A J. Brown
is kind of the last guy that I feel really
great about. I think you can get through like the
ninth pick generally. And then after that you were facing
a little gauntlet of Puka Nakula, Garrett Wilson's, Jamier gibbs
is and and guys that I think will probably be
pretty good and you're not getting them anywhere else. And
that's when you start playing the the a little more
chess than checkers. You start saying, Okay, if I take

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him here, who am I getting in the next round?

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
And maybe what's going to come around me in the
third round.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
What have I experienced in my past drafts and the
best balls and the mocks that I've done, And you
start thinking head a little bit, and I think that's
you know, that's required when you take one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
I say this a lot, Drew, and I think it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
You can have or you can have risk in your
roster without having a risky roster.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
You know that if you draft a guy that maybe
you're not totally comfortable, if you have to find a
player a little later who you're entirely comfortable with and
you feel really confident in that they'll get the volume
and the production that will come from it is comfortable
to you, and you think it'll be consistent week in
week out. I should have mentioned the players I love,
like Deantay Johnson. You know the price he's going at

(01:31:31):
right now, He's going to be the wide receiver one
in this offense I mentioned Adam Feelin worked out okay
for him, And so the thing about bad offenses is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Skim him off the top. Just don't dig deep people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Right, ancillary pieces are not great, right, the top ones
are fine.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Right exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
So there so so yeah, you find some of those
players are comfortable with that mitigate that risk or the
perceived risks that come with certain players, or the uncertainty
in your mind, you can kind of work around that.
And so I think, you know, people should be thinking
along those lines when they draft these guys. It's like
I have shares of Puka Nakua at what I think
are not a great cost. I have a little That's

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what I liked in this auction was being able to
get Marvin Harrison Junior for a price that I feel like, Okay,
I can you know this is a winning price, right,
even though I overpaid a little bit. It's not like
I was spending an early second round.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Pick on a guy I you know who, I think
he's going to be good.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
I remember thinking Clyde Edwards Alert was going to be
good too when he was going like in the sixth
round of the sixth pick overall, when during his rookie year.
So you know, like things happen people.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Yeah, Well, and to your point about Devon h Chan,
I thought his price is really fascinating to me because
it started to just get wildly out of control and
now there's been a little bit of correction here, and
I'm not so sure that by the end of the
draft season maybe it will have over corrected. I know
in our league, heal, we went for twenty five dollars

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in the auction, and had things fallen differently for my bill,
he would have ended up on my team, or I
would have ended up putting some bids in at that price,
because that twenty five dollars price really is not bad
for what we're talking about with him now. I wasn't
interested in thirty thirty five, you know, that kind of
stuff that I was seeing early. But he is dropping

(01:33:16):
a little bit. I have to wonder if it's going
to be somebody that ends up on a couple of
my home league teams, just because I think that in
an auction, I'm more comfortable I can get him as
an RB two and I can say, Okay, that mitigates
some of my risk. I don't need him as a
cornerstone piece when he goes out and gets nine carries
one week.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
So yeah, I do want to acknowledge the price has adjusted.
It's corrected, and so is Moster, but not as much
as a chance. I mean, Moster has the risen enough,
like okay, you can think he's old. He's thirty two,
has only six hundred and forty five carries, which is
far fewer than most people came in the league at
his time. I have a thousand plus carries. He has

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six hundred and forty five. He was one of the
fastest players, also the lead last year half mile an
hour off devon a chance's top speed. I think it
was twenty two point oho something or and twenty one
point six eight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Nobody's catching those guys from behind, either of them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Right and so, and they're in this offense, and that's
designed to look Jalen Wright's there too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
I'm I'm all for having a share of him at
the right price too.

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
You know, there's a little ambiguity in this backfield or
some openings because Mike, what did Mike mcdowge you just
say yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Why do you only have to have two starting running backs?
Why can't you have four? Thanks coach.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
But also I'm not sure he doesn't actually think that
it might be more than just lip service.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
So uh so, yeah, I think that. You know, I
think early in the year I was having a.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Ton of moster a ton just because I thought this
is ridiculous last year's running back five And I don't
think he's gonna get twenty one touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Could he get ten? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Can you get a few more?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
And if he does, he's going to more than return
that ninth round price tag you're paying for him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Well, our old friends Mike mc daniel on thatt before
giving us there, I'm going to puke if I hear
somebody have to ask me about wide receiver one again,
don't puke, coach, Just give us a little insight. Who's
going to play in two wide receiver sets?

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Please? It's gonna be all right, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
All right, Well, let's leave the people with a couple
picks that we can talk about later. I don't care
if you call them sixteenth rounders or if you call
them one or two or three dollars players late in
an auction? Who are you chasing late in your drafts?

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
I feel like these are the kind of guys that
I often chase late in my drafts and that often
don't work out. I'm always looking for those those off
the wall tight ends. Like we always say, well, I
could just stream a tight end, can you?

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Like everyone wants to stream a tight ends?

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
And it's not as easy as that, you know, as
when you just say I'm just going to stream. So
I'm usually getting in one of the higher end wide
receiver tight ends if I can one to the top
five or six, and then I'm getting guys way late.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
And one of the guys I'm getting way late is Tyler.

Speaker 5 (01:35:59):
Conklin, who, like last year, was the second most targeted
Jet had the second most reception's third most receiving yards
playing with a bunch of nobody as a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
If he plays a full season.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
With Prett Farr or Prett Farr with Aaron Rodgers, there's
a forty eighth slip Aaron Rodgers, You're gonna see a
decent season not you know, maybe even tight end one
production at times for low end tight end two prices.
And I think Hunter Henry's another guy at that position.
I think, like again, you can dip into bad offenses,
don't dip too far. And I think he and ramondre

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Stevenson are the only two pieces. He was leading that
team in receptions last year when he went down with
the injury in December. Jacoby Brissett twenty twenty two started
to want to say eleven games for the Cleveland Browns.
He was quarterback fifteen not good, serviceable, right, and so
so I mean, like, I think there's a world where
Hunter Henry can get by, and there's some there's some

(01:36:52):
other guys that you know that I like a little
later in other positions, I like, I find myself getting
a lot of a lot of Darnell Mooney confident. Quarterback
play is important, is important, you know, Like I don't
want to overstate the importance of you know, quarterback play
when I'm drafting high and wide receivers, but also quarterback
play does matter when you have a good quarterback. And

(01:37:13):
I think people forget how good Kirk Keezins can be.
He was quarterback four when he went down with injury
last year. You had like four thousand yards and at
least twenty eight touchdowns every years of Viking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
He's a pretty good quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
So Darnell Mooney, a guy you know throwing late round
flyers on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Does seem like really late round flyers to me.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
And at running back, I mentioned Julil McLaughlin who's been
going like a round you know, fiftieth pick.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
It's not a last round flyer.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
But if I'm throwing a super late round pick at
running back. It has consistently been Deontay Foreman, who I
don't know. Nick Chubb seems to be progressing really nicely,
and I think a lot of players are progressing really
nicely here. I have not seen him run in traffic
or with people bouncing off his legs. I don't know
that I'll see that for quite some time. If that's
the case, Deontay Foreman is a free square play to me,

(01:37:56):
is reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
One of the things that people I think underestimate is
getting off to a fast start, and Deontay Foreman could
be part of that wins at the beginning of the season,
jumping down to a three and one or four and
one or five and one because you've drafted some players
that are going to play early. Tuba Hubbard's another one
that you know. If Brooks is gonna sit for a
few weeks, Hubbard is going to be heavily involved starting fast.

(01:38:20):
The wins at the beginning matter just as much as
the wins at the end. And hey, if if you
have Tuba Hubbard and Jonathan Brooks looks like an All
Star by week eight, then it's easy. You know, it's
an eat and if Deontay Forman isn't playing enough and
Nick Chubb looks like Superman, those are easy decisions, yep,
but they're good arbitrage plays to make. So all right, well,
I'm going to get you out of here. We've gone

(01:38:42):
a little bit long. Shockingly, Bob and I like to talk,
but I've really enjoyed having you here. Remind us again
where we can find your work so that people can tune.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
In football guys dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
I'm doing a daily update podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
You can get a five thirty every morning, ten minutes
of just a quick rundown the news you need to know,
with a little fantasy analysis thrown onto it. And also
I'll do my fantasy notebook every week. I'll find it
early in the week on the site. It's totally free too,
and that's been going on all off season. I'll carry
into the season. I'll do my in and out late
week kind of picks and pans. Players I like that

(01:39:17):
are a little bit off the radar, and players I
like that are way up high on the radar. And
you can catch me on Serious XM Fantasy Sports Radio.
That'll be Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday ten pm. Saturday night,
I'll be on NFL Radio simulcast on the Fantasy Channel
for three hours eight to eleven Sunday morning pregame show
eleven to one pm with the one and only Jeff Mans.

(01:39:40):
So it'll be hard to miss me on serious six
days a week. If you want to find me, I'll
be there. And if you don't want to find me, sorry, I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Was gonna make the joke about boy where I don't
know where I can find you. You're not doing much,
but you already made the joke, So now that's awesome.
I've actually been reading your notebook here at Football Guys
and love it. If you you're you said, it's free, right,
it's an insider. You just have to give your email, right.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
Yeah, it's been completely free all off season. I think
that might run into the season as well, so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Sign Yeah, you know, and and you know not to
be a football guys shill here, although hey, why not.
They're following training camp news and things like that. If
you don't have a lot of time, you can get
these little snippets from Bob or from our folks following
training camp. That stuff is invaluable when you don't have

(01:40:30):
a lot of time. We also have plenty of stuff
if you do have the time. But but yeah, yeah,
I always like reading your stuff listening to you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Thank you so much for being on here. It was
a pleasure seeing you this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Appreciated Drew and of course people out there if you
don't know this, Grew Davenport one of the top guests
on the Football Dieheards program on Sirius you can't miss
a Me's on on the regular and always does fantastic
work there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Thank you, look forward to the next invite. So all right, well,
yet another fun conversation with the OG. One of the
guys I started following twenty years ago. Bob Harris, now
considering to be a good friend. I'm honored to call
you a friend and it was a great time seeing
you this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
Thanks Drue.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
All right, thanks Bob, and that'll do it for another
week of discussions with Drew. Thank you once again to
Bob Harris. It's going to become maybe a yearly tradition
now that we get him on after the King's Classic.
I really enjoy it because breaking down an auction for

(01:41:34):
all of you, I think is one of the most
helpful things we can do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
So great job, Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
You know, ever the professional love seeing him in campon
this week is turned into one of my favorite people really,
you know, in the world. I say this all the
time in the industry, I think that's a dumb qualifier.
These people are good people, regardless of the industry or not.
And if I suddenly quit the industry tomorrow, Bob Harris
would still be a friend. So thanks again, Bob for
your time and for your diligence and preparing for the show.

(01:42:00):
I could tell that you had things lined up and
ready to go, and that was a fun discussion. So
we're going to end it there for the week. Next week,
don't forget about the auction Manifesto. It is my favorite
episode of the summer. I'm going to try to cram
every single concept from the summer into one episode. Your
brain's going to be spinning when we're done with that one,

(01:42:21):
but that's the way I like it. Let's get it
all into one episode, into one place that you can
use as a review before you go into your auctions. Also,
don't forget the listener League. Folks you want to get in,
It's real simple, go leave a review on my show.
Wherever you listen to podcasts, go leave a review, leave
a rating for the show. All that stuff helps in

(01:42:43):
the algorithm getting my show more ears. So that's what
we're going to focus on with the Listener League. You
get one entry for writing your review and for leaving
your rating, and then if you want a second entry,
you can retweet my show on Thursday when I dropped
the link, and then I'll give you double the chances
to get into the Listener League. So take care of

(01:43:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Of my inside auction stuff. I'm going to be dropping
my second round of.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Values here in about a week as well as a
superflex Values. We're going to do a superflex mock. I'm
dropping an article about players I've changed my mind on.
I've got interviews coming, We've got all the stuff coming
to cram into the next three weeks before you draft.
It's going to be a banger of a finish to
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(01:43:41):
for just four bucks a month.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Come check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Thank you so much everybody for your support. If you
came up to me this weekend and you said something
nice to me, I gotta be honest, it was a blur.
I just the only thing I can say is I
can't isolate anybody who talked to me, because I don't
want to leave anyone out. Everyone was so nice and
so complimentary on the show, on the auction side of it,

(01:44:05):
but on the legal updates that I do as well.
I just couldn't be any more blown away by the
support and the nice things y'all had to say to
me this weekend. I'll never forget it. So thank you
so much, and thank you all for listening, even if
you weren't there. And Canton, I know you're out there
supporting my work, and I appreciate all of you that
support me every week and listen to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I'm having so much fun. I'm sad that next week
is our last draft prep episode, but the auction Brief
isn't going away for good. We're just taking a couple
of week break until we get into the season and
we're going to reformat the show a little bit for
the NFL season, but that's going to do it for
this week. Thank you so much everybody. Thank you to
Bob Harris. I love all of you for being a
part of the Auction Brief community. The Auction Brief is

(01:44:51):
now adjourned and I am out.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
The Auction Brief is adjourned. That'll do it for this
week's episode. See you next time on the Auction Brief.

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