Auction Nomination Strategies; Guest Matt Schauf from Draftsharks

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Hey, everybody, welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
I am your host, Drew Davenport. You're fantasy football lawyer,
and thank you so much for joining me. For episode
eight of season four. We are in training camps, folks.

(00:52):
I hope you're a stoked as I am that football
is back, that we're actually seeing clips of things that
are happening on a football field instead of just thinking
about what may happen. We're gonna start seeing what may happen.
And already we've got stuff coming out of Denver training
camp that maybe Javonte Williams is on a roster bubble,

(01:14):
that Patrick Mahomes is gonna throw for forty billion yards. Folks,
it is officially time to start looking at things that
are actually happening rather than just guessing about what's going
to happen, and that means I am stoked that football
is officially back. Wooo oh lord. He seems very excited

(01:35):
about football. I got a lot of good feedback last
week about Paula. Everyone wants Paula to stick around the
offended Southern lady. Oh oh dear, you really like your football,
don't you. So Paula is here to stay. And I'll
tell you what. I am just brimming with excitement about

(01:59):
where we are in this because I feel like we've
accomplished a lot on the show already. I've done a
lot of theory stuff, but then lately we've been getting
down to the nuts and bolts exactly what we should
be doing in the auction room instead of just talking
about theories and nebulous ideas. This week is going to
be more of that because we are getting into crunch time.

(02:21):
After this week, we only have four episodes left, So
that means five total episodes of the auction Brief left
before you draft, and that means we got a lot
to do. But hey, we don't have that much to
do where I think it's going to be a two
hour episode this week Right right now, I don't really
know it's going to be a tight fifteen. I've never

(02:43):
done a tight fifteen in my life. This week, we're
going to focus solely on one part of auctions, and
that is your nominations. And I think you're going to
learn a lot from this episode because nominations have more
underneath the surface than you would ever believe. I guarantee
you've never thought about nominations as much as you're going

(03:06):
to think about them this episode. And after this episode,
you're going to suddenly realize the value that controlling your
nominations brings to the table. So that's what we're gonna
do today. We're gonna talk about nominations. And I've got
a great guest this week, Matt Schoff from Draft Sharks.
He is far and away one of my top three

(03:26):
analysts in the entire business. I love the way Matt
talks about football. He's plain spoken, gets right to the
heart of the matter. He has a way of cutting
through all the noise and the nonsense and giving you
a reasonable, well thought out take. And Matt's here for
discussions with Drew this week, and we have a couple
of bangers here to end the summer as well. Next week,

(03:50):
don't miss next week's show. We have Mike Right from
the Fantasy Footballers. That is right, We've got Mike Right.
I'm pumped about that, So tune in next week for
the discussions with True next week, and then the week
after that, we've got Brian Drake. We're going to do
our Expo preview episode, talk a little bit about Kings Classic,
and then the week after King's Classic, we've got Bob Harris,

(04:10):
who's going to help me break down what actually happened
in the expert auction room. I think those two episodes
are going to be invaluable, literally priceless for what you
can learn about how we think things are going to
go and then breaking them down how they actually went afterwards.
And then of course the last episode of the summer
on August twenty second, that is my auction draft Manifesto,

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All right, that's it. We got a tight, tight open today,
and let's get into some nomination strategy because there are
some things I gotta get off my chest. I got
a lot of problems with you people. As Frank Costanza
would say, there's a lot of things that bother me
about nominations. Let's talk about what those things are. And

(06:18):
I want to start out this show today by meandering
a little bit through some thoughts I've had lately when
I've been playing poker. I have not been doing a
lot of poker lately because I'm just too busy trying
to push out content. But I got to hang out
the other night with Chris Allen and Ian Harditz and
a couple guys from the industry. Andrew Hall was there.
We were playing some poker, just slinging some cards around

(06:40):
a little special occasion and had a great time. I
actually ended up killing it on the quarter fifty cent table. Yes,
I know, we are ballers playing for a ton of money,
but yeah, Ian ended up killing it. I ended up
killing it. And you know, I noticed some things that
were going on at the table, and I thought, let's
talk about them, right, because they really do for what

(07:00):
we are doing today and in auction draft rooms. There
was a couple of things I just wanted to ruminate about.
You know, I had some comments recently about leaving y'all
hanging on the hand with the jack jack three. I
have heard that a couple of times, and I'm really
sorry about that because there really wasn't that much of
an exciting conclusion to it. But I realized, you hear

(07:23):
the hand, you go, what, well, what happened? What happened?
So real? Briefly, the jack jack three hand, I was
talking about playing against a guy who was the chip leader,
and we were three handed, and I had flopped a
set of jacks with a jack three, but the board
was jackjack five I believe, or maybe that's the other
way around. I had jack five and it was jack
jack three. Point being. I thought about that hand as

(07:46):
I went through it and realized that my opinion about
the hand continued to change and evolve during the hand.
And that's why we originally talked about it, because everything
is going to change and flow as you're working through
the auction, and we're going to talk about that. It
just a couple of minutes because I'm going to talk
about the flow of the auction dictating your nominations. But
what happened in the jack jack three hand was the

(08:08):
guy ended up just betting into me three times, and
I never ended up actually having to put in a
raise because it worked just fine to sit there and
say call, call, call with my set, and I never
really had to face a raise, because if I had
faced a raise, I more than likely would have been
behind the set of jacks is killing anything that he's
betting or value betting with. But I didn't have to

(08:31):
face a raise by making a raise of my own
because I had position. So I just hit the call
button three times. I was live, but you get my point.
I hit call three times, scooped a huge pot, and
then we ended up chopping the tournament, whereas he had
not wanted to chop previously, and at that point we
ended up chopping the tournament and it worked out really
well for me. So that's the end of the jack

(08:51):
jack three hand. Wasn't a big deal, but I scooped
a big pot and it allowed me to chop three handed,
as opposed to maybe getting third place and putting in
a lot of work and running fairly good to not
make a whole lot of money. So it was a
nice job and it was a good result of the hand.
But what I was thinking about the other night was
how our gut works. You know what I mean by gut?

(09:13):
What does it mean to have your gut feel? It
just means paying attention to what your body, your mind,
your stomach, your organs, your adrenal system, what's it telling
you in the situation. And a lot of times we
refer to this stuff when we talk about like fear
based reactions. If you have a fear based reaction to
something or someone, pay attention to your gut. It's there

(09:35):
for a reason. We have a lizard brain for a reason.
But when it comes to poker and fantasy football and auctions,
you don't necessarily have a gut that's been honed by
thousands and thousands of years of natural selection and Darwinism.
You have to develop this stuff and you have to
go about it in a very deliberate fashion. With auction,

(09:59):
draft or poker, both of them require you to go
about it, like I said, in a deliberate fashion. And
I like that word because it means it's a painstaking
process of work and study and understanding. And once again
I don't expect you all. You don't all have to
get on board with every single bit of preparation and

(10:19):
painstaking work I tell you to do. But I think
the more you do, the more you stack up your edges.
And again I'm going to come back to that in
just a minute when we talk about nominations. But I'm
playing poker the other night, and there's another guy at
the table who is a good player and admittedly very
strong cash game player, but he had tendencies that most

(10:42):
cash game players have that he couldn't turn off when
it was necessary to turn them off. He was super aggressive,
and he liked to play a wide variety of hands,
especially if he had position. Now, again, like I said,
he's a good player. Playing position is a great way
to play poker, that's what you're supposed to do. But
he consistently overplayed his position and didn't realize that it

(11:04):
was a pretty solid table of players that knew what
they were doing. This isn't an all star cast at
this table, but it was a pretty solid table, and
we had eight or nine guys at one point, and
most of them knew what they were doing at that table.
So he needed to take that into account, he really
wasn't doing it. Instead, what he was doing is kind
of trying to run everyone over and be the table captain.

(11:26):
You all know that kind of player who just wants
to start out raising and be the table captain and
be the crazy person who's going to push the action
all day long. So, as you can imagine, I tangled
with him quite a few times, and it's pretty interesting
because that pretty good night. And what it came down
to was the thing I was talking about before, was

(11:46):
the gut feel that we have when we play poker
or we do auction drafts, is something that has honed
over lots of time and lots of repetitions of doing
something and getting better and better at it because we
in our brains and we train ourselves to get better
at this thing simply by doing it, but also by
paying attention when we're doing it. So a hand develops

(12:09):
with this guy where I have a seven and an eight. Yep,
just an eight seven, a little connector not even suited,
and I'm under the gun, which means I'm first to act,
and I limp into the pot. Just throw fifty cents
in because it's quarter fifty. Okay, we're still you know,
having big pots, seventy eighty hundred dollars pots. But in

(12:30):
this situation, I limp in for fifty cents with an
eight and a seven, and it gets folded around to
the guy I'm speaking about, and he's on the button.
Now I know when I limp into the pot that
it's very likely he's going to raise the pot from
the button. So when I limp, I know that I'm
going to call if he raises, and sure enough he obliges,
he makes it. I think two fifty or three bucks

(12:52):
to go. So a five or six X raise, A
couple other people call, and it's an easy call for
me in a cash game. In a tournament, maybe not,
but in a cash game, easy call. So the flop
comes out ACE six four. All right, ace six four.
I have an eight and a seven, So if you
put that together, it's four six seven eight that I have.

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On the flop, I need a five. Now, of course
that's not very good odds. I need one of four
fives that are left in the deck, and if I
don't hit one of those four fives, I'm likely losing
this pot because of that ace on the board. But
then again, it doesn't necessarily stand the reason that he
has to have an ace because he's raising, because this
guy likes to raise all kinds of hands. So on

(13:36):
the flop when he makes a bet, I know that
I'm gonna call, not necessarily just to hit a five,
but just to try to slow him down a little bit.
And also because there's no guarantee he has a pair
at this point. He can easily have something like King
X suited, but he could easily have Queen X suited,
you know, any connectors, any small pairs. So my seven
and my eight could be good as long as along

(13:58):
with my five. And I'm certainly gonna peel a card
off if he bets on the flop, which we know
he's going to do, so it checks around to him
and he fires. At the flop, one other person calls,
and then I call. So the turn comes and the
turn is a nine. Now not a terrible card, not
a great card, but it helps a little bit because

(14:20):
now I have a little bit more equity with a double.
I'm sorry with an open ended straight draw because now
the board reads a six, four, nine, meaning that my
seven eight now gives me a straight with a ten
or a five, And I know he's gonna bet again,
which he does. I'm thinking to myself, well, it depends
on how much he bets, whether I'm gonna fold or not,

(14:41):
and it depends on whether or not this other person's
gonna call to to give me better pot odds. And
of course the other person calls right away makes my
job fairly easy because he didn't bet very much either,
and I think I was getting at least five or
six to one straight up odds on my money. And
of course, you know, my implied odds are pretty good
here as well, because he's a loose player, and I

(15:01):
know I'm going to get paid off if I hit
my cards. Of course, Now I just have a one
pole and I pull a five. I pull a magic five,
ladies and gentlemen, I river the straight. So the board
now reads ace six four nine five, all right, and
I have a seven and eight. So I look at
the board and I'm like, I believe I have these

(15:22):
stone cold nuts. I believe I have the best possible
hand for that board, and sure enough I do. I'm
looking at the board over and over, like, do I
have the nuts? Is that right? Do I see a
flush out there? Am I missing a flush. Anyway, the
guy next to me checks, and I think real quick,
and I think, all right, I've just called all the
way down. This guy loves to bet, and he's betting.

(15:45):
He's gonna bet a lot if he has something. The
only way that I'm going to get paid off if
he doesn't have something is if I let him bluff.
I really think that the best way to play this
is to check here on the river. Even though it's
a little bit scary to check with the nuts, I
think it's gonna work. So I check, and he puts
out a big bet. Ladies and gentlemen, it's the greatest
feeling in the world. Somebody's betting into the nuts that

(16:09):
you're holding in your hand on the river. So the
other guy folds and I act like I'm thinking about
it for a little while, put on a little Hollywood act,
and then I shiit my chips in the middle. Now,
I think he had bet like forty thirty five or
forty bucks on the river, and I had After that call,
I had about sixty bucks left, so I had right
around one hundred buck something like that. So I shove

(16:31):
all my chips in after acting like I don't know
what to do, and then he goes into the tank,
and going into the tank just means he's thinking about
it for a while. He doesn't really know what he
wants to do, and he's kind of moaning and whining
about how this is so sick and blah blah blah.
And I'm thinking to myself, does this guy have a set?
Because he's sure acting like he's got a big hand

(16:51):
over there, but I can't really put him on a
big hand with that board other than a set. And
then I'm thinking, well, maybe he has ace nine, so
he's got top two Paerries got aces up, and I'm
just really thinking to myself, what is he contemplating calling with?
And I couldn't put him on a hand because I
didn't really think that he would put all that money
in with two pair, and I thought, well, must be
a set that he's thinking about. And then he says

(17:14):
something interesting, Oh, I know you're not doing this without
the nuts. I know you're not doing this without the nuts.
So again, the nuts means the best possible hand. So
he's over there and he's got the hand read perfectly.
He knows that I'm a tight player and I'm not
shoving my chips in there without the nuts, folks. He
said it multiple times. Ah, I know you're not doing

(17:35):
this without the nuts. He did not want a call.
He forced himself to make the call, and then he
flipped up. I cannot make this up. He raised pre
flop and then bet the flop and the turn, and
then hit his cart on the river. He had a
two three offsuit, folks. He had a three and a

(17:57):
two wasn't even suited. He had the low He had
the two worst cards than poker.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Of course, the seven deuce is the worst hand equity wise,
but he had a three in the two, the lowest
card you could have. He raised with that, bet the
flop with a gut shot, missed the turn, decided to
try to bully me on the turn, and then he
hit what he thought was his dream card and it
was the worst card in the deck for him. Of course,
that's really lucky for me. But at the same time,

(18:24):
all you had to do was fold your three in
year two instead of tried to be the big bully,
and then you handed me a monstrous pot. What's the
point of this story. I started out the show talking
about your gut and developing your gut and developing your instincts.
I heard Derek Jeter talking the other day. Somebody was
doing an interview with him talking about how the game

(18:46):
slows down, and he said, the way to make the
game slow down faster is to be prepared. I know
that sounds funny, slow down faster. He didn't say it
like that. I only said it that stupid way. What
he basically said was, once you're prepared, and once you've
played the game for a little while, it does start
to slow down. And the more prepared you are, the
slower the game gets. And the more unprepared you are,

(19:09):
the more it speeds up. And ladies and gentlemen, I
can tell you this with absolute certainty. That is true.
And why does that relate to the poker story today?
Because you cannot have the game slow down without the
preparation and without the hard work. And when the game
does slow down, that's just another word for saying you've

(19:32):
developed your gut, You've developed your instinct. The game slows
down because you know instantly when the light pops on
what you need to do in a certain situation, because
you developed that with hard work and preparation, and Derek
Jeters said it really well, the more prepared you are,
the more it slows down. The more unprepared you are,
the more it speeds up, and the harder it gets.

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I'll never forget reading a book about Mike Singletary when
I was younger, and he talked about the forty six defense,
Ryan's forty six defense, and he said he studied film
over and over and over, hours and hours and hours
of film and just couldn't understand the forty six defense.
Just didn't get it. And he just struggled and struggled
and struggled. And one day he's watching film and all

(20:14):
of sudden it clicked and he realized what the forty
six defense was all about. And then he went out
on the field and said he could just play free
and easy and go to the ball. And that's exactly
what we're doing here, folks. I want you to get
into an auction room and just play free and easy.
But the thing is, it's not free and easy.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's not just wow, I'm gonna do whatever I want.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
You're not out there like Fozzy Bear, like walk oh,
walk a walker. That's not what that is. Playing free
and easy means you've done the work you've put in
the time, and your brain is unfettered with all the stuff,
all the clutter around it, and you're seeing things super
clearly because you've developed that gut and that instinct through

(20:56):
time and prep. And that's exactly what happens on a
post table too. And this guy is sitting across the
table from me. He has the instinct, he has the
gut feel, and he knew I'm a tight player and
I'm not putting two hundred dollars in the middle of
that pot without the nuts, and yet he went against
his gut. And we're teaching you to pay attention to

(21:16):
your gut and to pay attention to your instinct in
an auction room. And the way you do that is
preparation and reps. So let's talk about that today, and
let's talk about our nomination strategies and how we can
use them to become better auction drafters.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Auction talk.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, I want to start by going back to a
couple of things that I haven't talked about in a
few weeks, and really I'm going to resurrect a couple
things that I haven't talked about much all summer. The
first one is something that I said a lot last summer,
in the summer before that. I haven't said a whole
lot this summer, but you're gonna hear that a lot
in the next in the next four to five episodes,

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because now we've gotten all the theory and stuff out
of the way, how we're down to the brass tacks
and what we should actually be doing. What are the
actual moves we should be making in a room. And
the overarching thing I want you to apply to every
move you make, whether it be a nomination, a bid,
anything else, is the very simple three word phrase, have

(22:18):
a reason. Have a reason. If you're an auction brief listener,
you know that I talked about this a couple of
years ago, I talked about last summer. I don't think
I've said it all this summer. I might have said
it once or twice mention it in passing, but it's
something you cannot get away from when you are trying
to craft your strategy. Have a reason for what you're doing.

(22:40):
And this chiefly applies to the draft room itself. It
doesn't apply always to the preparation, although that's important to say, Okay,
well I want to go after this guy, Well, why
do you want to go after that guy. Is it
because the scoring is good for it? Is it because
your lead devalues that? What is the reason you want
to go after that player? But it's chiefly in the
room type of thing, because I always wants you to

(23:00):
guide yourself with that idea in mind. So if you
remember nothing else from this episode, just remember when you're
about to nominate somebody, have a reason for doing it.
Don't nominate somebody and say I like this guy, I
nominate Jon Robinson. That's not what I'm talking about. That's
not a reason I like a guy. He's a good player.

(23:20):
I think he's going to score a lot of points.
I think he's going to have a big year. Those
aren't reasons. You can get a guy that's going to
have a big year at any point during the auction.
You don't need to do that with your nominations just
because you like them. Have a reason for why that
nomination works for you at that time, for your roster,

(23:41):
for your cap, and for everything else going on in
the room. And really what it comes down to is
there's a lot of flow to the draft. So what
I want to talk about today is how that flows
from the early parts of the draft, through the middle
part of the draft, into the late stages of the draft,
and how things change as you move along through the draft.

(24:01):
There is a flow of the draft. When we talk
about inflection points. Here in a couple weeks, one of
the last episodes we're going to do is about inflection points.
You're going to see that flow even more in how
things change as you go through the draft. It's your
job to follow those flows, and those flows are going
to be what helps you figure out who denominate. Because

(24:26):
let me tell you something that I say all the
time and then I can't say enough. Auctions are unpredictable, right,
That is the as Scott Pianowski said, that is feature,
not bug. That is a feature of auctions, not a
bug of auctions. They're not supposed to be predictable. They're unpredictable.
So figuring it out what it is that you control.

(24:48):
And that's why I'm so big on the preparation, having
your par sheet, because that gives you some measure of
control over what's happening. There are so many variables, figure
out the ones you can control, and you know what
the biggest one is your nominations. How you push your
nominations at various parts during the draft. If you have

(25:09):
a sixteen round auction, you only get sixteen chances to
try to influence the draft. Why on earth would you
throw one of them away, or five of them away,
or half of them away because you don't know what
you're doing and you haven't thought about it. As you
work your way through the draft, you're going to have
to spend time looking at who you want to nominate next.

(25:32):
In fact, map out who you want to nominate in
the next couple of rounds. Who am I attacking? Am
I attacking someone else? Am I attacking my own roster?
Am I wasting money? What am I doing with my nominations?
And how do I think they're going to play out? Now?
That may change as the rounds go on, but always
be assessing what you think you want to do, and

(25:52):
that can change from moment to moment, just like the
jack Jack three hand. Don't get married to an idea
and just roll with it. Things change, So keep your
nominations flexible, but start coming up with an idea. You
nominate somebody, it's your turn now to think about who
you're going to nominate next round. You only have eleven picks.
I know things are going on, but that's an important

(26:12):
part of this whole process, figuring out what's going on
in the room, what's happening with the flow of the draft,
and what is your reason for the next nominations you're
going to you're gonna make. The drafts are unpredictable, so
control what you can control, and one of those moments
in the draft is who you can nominate. Another thing
I haven't said a lot this summer, but I want

(26:32):
to stress again is that every one of these skills
that you learn, every one of these little things that
you learn, I'm not here to tell you that because
you master nomination strategies, your auction teams are going to
get eleven percent better. I don't really believe that. I
think it's a small edge. It may be as low
as half a percent, one percent, two percent, I don't know,

(26:53):
five percent if we're feeling optimistic. But I think it matters,
and I think it matters a lot. So I don't know,
don't care what number you have put to it. But
little edges matter because you stack them up, you learn
how to do nominations better. Boom, you get a couple
percentage points, you learn how to prepare a better boom,
you get a couple more. You do par sheets, you

(27:14):
get a huge advantage. You figure out what you're doing
with you with your bids, Boom, another advantage. You figure
out how to recognize inflection points. It allows you to
get a guy out there and save a couple bucks.
Boom another few points. Every time you stack an advantage
on top of another advantage, it helps you get that
much better than the competition. And if paying attention to

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nominations is how you can stack a little advantage, why
wouldn't you want to do it? So I hope I've
sold you on the idea that nominations are massive. Now
let me tell you what to look at and what
we should be thinking about with the nominations, and then
we're going to end by talking about how it flows
through the draft from early to middle to late stages.
The first thing I want to do is point out

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a few things that you're going to see in every room.
And if you're one of these people that does this,
it's okay. I'm out here to crush you. You are
like a lot of other people out there, so don't
worry about it. But these are some moves you're gonna
see from people in the draft room. The number one
move you're gonna see is nominating a guy from the

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same position as the previous guy and the same general value.
So early in the draft, somebody calls out Jamar Chase,
the next person's gonna look down and say, okay, I'm
on Rosa Brown. That's what people do. They nominate the
top guy left on their sheet. You're going to see
that more than any other behavior. Another move you're gonna

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see is people nominating players that they want. We talked
about that last week. So you've got people who nominate
the top guy left on their sheet. You've got people
who only nominate players they really want. You've got people
who in an online draft are not ready, so they're
looking around for their nomination in their clock runs out. Therefore,
the software automatically nominates the top player on the board.

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And I like to know that. I like to have
my player pool sorted by all. I don't want it
to be on QB, running back, wide receiver, tight end,
specific position groups. I want it to be on all
and I want to see who's at the top of
the all list. And then if somebody nominates that person.
I know they either let the clock run out, or
they didn't have any imagination or didn't have any care

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about who they nominated, so they just picked the top guy.
You're going to see that all the time. The last
thing that I see a lot, and this isn't as
much as the other couple, but you see the person
who loves to nominate the super low ranked guy who
you should never be nominated before the very end of
a draft. We're talking about say like a ten or
twelve team league, and somebody's up there nominating Djhark and

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then get them for a dollar and they're like, yeah,
I got my last bench spot for a dollar for Djhark.
We I'll tell you what. DJ Chark's probably not going
to even get drafted. What are you doing? Why are
you doing that? That doesn't do anything for you. One
of two things happens when you nominate a super low
ranked guy. You're either going to get him, and then
that's going to hurt your roster of flexibility going forward.

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So that's something I absolutely hate to do. I don't
like locking in my one dollar player super early in
a draft. What if you have money left over and
you want to spend twenty eight dollars on your last
player because you spend your money wrong and you want
to get the last great player who's left on the
board because you have the most money left, and you
spend a dollar because you want to lock up DJ Shark.

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That's just that's not a good strategy. The other thing
is if you don't get him and you really wanted him,
that player is going to go for more than they should.
So you nominate a person who should be a one
dollar player later in the draft, they're gonna end up
going for three, four seven bucks. Now, sometimes you see
somebody say, oh, I'm going to nominate this guy. It's
super clever, and a three dollars player turns into an

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eleven dollars player because people have money. Just don't nominate
super low ranked guys. That is not a method of success.
The deeper you reach into the sheet of players that
you have, the more the player price is going to
get inflated when there's money in the room. So if
you're reaching down and nominating a wide receiver five, they're

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going to go for too much money when there's money
in the room because people feel like, oh, Brandon Cooks
I wouldn't pay for two dollars for him if I
got nine bucks left and I need to fill three spots.
But if I've got one hundred and ninety bucks left,
i might pay six bucks for him. So that's just
not a good way to do it. So you're going
to see those moves. People who nominate the top guy,
people who let the clock run out because they don't

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know what they're doing, people who pick the top player
at the top of the all sorted player pool on software,
and the people who nominate the super low ranked guy,
or they call out their kicker right away and get
their kicker. These are not winning moves. Okay, don't do
these moves. If you're one of the people that does
these moves, be done all right. Here's your official permission

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to let that stuff go. Let it go, let it go,
all right. So that is that. So what factors are
we looking for when we nominate? I said earlier in
the show that I wanted you to have a reason. Well,
what are those reasons? What are the things we should
looking at? Well, I think they fall into just three

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different categories. I don't think these aren't groundbreaking categories or
amazing things I'm pulling up here. But you want to
be looking at rosters, cap and player pool, all right,
and a little deeper than that. You want to look
at your roster, you want to look at other people's rosters.
You want to look at your cap. You want to
look at their cap and the total cap left, and

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then you also want to look at the playerpool as
it relates to scarcity within tears. So those are the
factors you're looking at, and you're pushing and pulling those
factors to determine what is going to be my best
nomination at that moment. So those factors are what you're
trying to apply. That's the lens you're looking looking through
to decide who you're going to nominate. Now, if you

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listen to the last episode, you know that I want
you to have a list of players that you want
to nominate. So when you're trying to pick from your list,
what are you trying to do? What's your goal? What
is your reason for nominating a player you're about to nominate? Well,
that's going to change a lot during the draft. Your
mindset should change from early in the draft to middle
in the draft. The big meat of the draft, where

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you're putting most of your team together, and then in
the late stages it's going to change even more yet again,
so let's go through that, because that's how we follow
the flow of the draft. So early in a draft,
you know this by now if you're an auction brief listener.
If you're not, listen up, because this is one of
the biggest things you have to know about nominations. You

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cannot start out an auction draft by nominating players you
don't like to waste other people's money. That is not
a viable strategy. Let me say it again, It is
not a viable strategy to call out players people love
so that they waste money. That is not a strategy,
and it's not a strategy for a couple different reasons.

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Number one, why are you worried about nominating the super elite,
top tier guys unless you're trying to go after one
of them. Why are you worried about that? Do you
really think that somebody is going to let Amon Ross
Saint Brown go unnominated for nine rounds until there's a
bunch of money out of the room. You're gonna get
in for twenty two bucks. Do you think that's going

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to happen because I hear people say this all the time. Well,
just you just have to wait. You just have to
wait if you wait longer, if you wait, but if
you wait, no, no, you can't wait long enough on
all elite players. You can't even wait long enough on
RB twos and wide receiver twos. Those players are going

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to get nominated. People love nominating the top guys. I
just got done telling you. You're gonna see that move
all the time. People are just gonna look down their
sheet and pick the top guy and say, let's bid
on him. He's fun. I like that guy who's about
to score.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
A lot of fantasy ports. This shit, that's bit on
this guy. He's going score a lot of fantasy ports.
Don't do that. What are we doing? That does nothing?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Somebody else is going to do it for you.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Why do that?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Stop doing that?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Stop doing that?

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Stop doing that. Oh my gosh, frustrating. It's so frustrating.
I see it all the time, and I see that
advice all the time, and it drives me freaking nuts. Man,
it doesn't help. And let me okay, I've just sat
here and said it doesn't help for a while, and
I haven't given you any reasons. Let me give you
the reasons why. Okay, I'm just pissed. I'm making myself angry.

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I'm not even talking to anybody. I'm just talking to
a wall right now. But let me tell you why
it doesn't work. First of all, if you call out
a player that people really want and you quote unquote
waste people's money, the first problem is you're not wasting
anyone's money. They just ended up getting a really good player.
So I don't care if they spent fifty dollars. It's
not a waste that they spent fifty dollars on Saquon. Now,

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maybe they spent too much money that you think that
player should go for less, But the point is they
just got an elite player. They got a top level player,
so that's not a waste. So I take issue with, Hey,
I wasted their money. No, you didn't waste anything. They
got a first round pick. Okay, So first of all,
I take issue with that. The second thing I take
issue with is how much money did you pull out

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of that room? Everybody, do a little bit of math. Okay,
do a little bit of simple math with me. Right now,
Sixteen players on a roster in a ten team league,
means one hundred and sixty players are going to be
rostered if everyone has a two hundred dollars cap. Let's
all do that math together. That is thirty two hundred

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dollars right, Thirty two hundred dollars to be spent in
that auction draft room. What did you just do? You
call out an elite player who's like a first round
or a middle up through the middle second round player.
They went for forty or fifty bucks. Let's say they
went for sixty dollars. Oooh, they went for sixty bus.
Now there's only thirty one hundred and forty dollars in

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the room. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds. Again,
I'm not here to crush you if that's something that
you've done, but I'm here to disabuse you of that notion.
I'm here to tell you that is not correct. So
stop doing it. Pulling sixty dollars out of a room
that's about to spend thirty two hundred dollars over the
next four hours. That's not doing anything for you. You're
not having a measurable impact on the scarcity of cap

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dollars in the room. You're not wasting anyone's money because
they just got an elite player. In fact, you're pulling
an elite player off the board that you can't have.
And the last thing is something that we've talked about
multiple times on this show, but I'm going to say
it again. It's better to tie up the money in
people's minds than it is to give them clarity about
what's going to happen with that particular player. Now again,

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we're going to talk about early nomination strategy and what
you should do, but I'm telling you what you shouldn't
do right now. So we're going to get to what
you should do in a minute. And you know what
that is. That's going to be to define your draft.
But let me get to that in just a second.
Tying up the money in people's minds is a fantastic strategy.
Oh yes, it took me a while, but we got
to fantastic number one. Tying up the money in people's

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minds is a great strategy for keeping them guessing about
what they're going to do, for keeping things muddy in
their mind. Do you want to clear things up? Because
if you call out Tyreek Hill and somebody lands them
for fifty five dollars. Remember, there was probably three, four
or five people in the room that wanted Tyreek Hill.
Some people are going to say, now he's too expensive,

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I don't want him. But let's say minimum there's four
people in the room, and fifty five dollars was what
Hill went for. Of those four people, if they all
wanted him, only one person got him. That means three
people can now bid on another receiver against you. And
on top of that, those three people now know that

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they don't have to spend fifty dollars five dollars on
Tyreek Hill. You actually had two hundred and twenty dollars
hemmed up in four people's minds because they were still
thinking about possibly getting Tyreek Hill. Instead, what you did
is you gave them clarity and you freed them up
to go do something else and spend that money somewhere else.
So you were actually tying up more money by leaving

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Tyreek Hill on the board instead of nominating him. So again,
the early nomination strategy of trying to quote unquote waste
people's money is not a strategy. Logically, it sounds fine,
it doesn't work. Just let someone else nominate those top guys.
They will. They will. Don't worry about it. Okay, they
will get nominated. So what should you be doing instead

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of doing that, Well, what you should be doing is
trying to define your draft. I've talked about this since
episode one of the Auction Brief four years ago. Defining
your draft is one of the more important things you
can learn to do in an auction draft room. So
many people sit back and let the room happen to them,

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and they think if they wait, they're going to get deals.
That is not going to happen on top level players.
You have to have top level players. You're not getting
deals on top level players. Say it to yourself, first, second,
third round players. You're not getting deals on those players.
You must pay market price. Sometimes you're gonna pay over
market price. Stop thinking you're going to wait around and
get a deal on a first round player. It ain't happening.

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So what you need to be doing is defining which
of those elite players are going to send your draft
off in a particular direction, because what ends up happening
is if you don't call those players out early enough,
you sit around and wait on them. Let's say you
don't get the players that you thought you were going
to get. Now it's the middle of the fourth round
and you don't have time to react. All the good

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players are gone, all the pivots for your strategy are gone.
So your job in the first three four nominations is
to be defining your draft and picking which par sheet
you're going to be using. So harken back to the
last episode where I talked about your attack strategy in
implementing that through your par sheet and your nominations. Early

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in the draft should be all about defining where your
draft is going. Are you going to follow the par
sheet where you go heavy and wide receiver. Are you
going to follow the par sheet where you have an
anchor running back. Are you following the sheet where you're
going for a top tight end. That's extremely important to
know as early as possible. So your only strategy, literally

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your only strategy early in an auction should be calling
out players you want that you believe will make up
the cornerstone of your team and then landing them on
your roster. I'm not telling you to go crazy and
spend eight dollars over what you wanted, but start getting
those top players out that you believe are going to
help you figure out what you're going to do and

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see whether or not you're going to land them, and
you're able to then pick your par sheet. So early
on you're going to see other people trying to do
the waste strategy. Let them do their thing, You pick
the players that are going to help you define your draft,
send it off in whatever direction you're going to go. Now,
heading into the middle part of the draft, the draft
is starting to flow a little bit as people are

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starting to lose money and lose the ability to bid
on top level players. You're getting into the meat of
the draft, where you're going to draft your entire roster.
For the most part, you're going to draft the middle
eighty percent of your roster or seventy percent of your roster.
And in the middle part of the draft is where
the most feel is going to come into play, the
most gut that you're going to have to use. That

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we talked about earlier in the show. The most nebulous
concepts that I have to give you are from the
middle part of the draft, because I can't really tell
you exactly what's going to be happening in the middle
of the draft. But the one thing I know that
I can tell you is going to give you the
most benefit in the middle of the draft is patience.
The middle part of the draft has a huge glut

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of players, and you need to have patience. It's one
of my favorite things. And I'm going to talk about
this and my favorite Auction Skills episode in a couple weeks.
One of my favorite things to do is just outlast
the other people. I think it's why I like tournament poker.
I tell myself, if patience is a large part of
the game, then I'm gonna be more patient than the
next guy. Because it takes a zero skill. It just

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takes patience. It just takes knowing that there is value
in waiting. And I said at the beginning, Oh, you
can't wait. It's not gonna work in this part of
the draft. It works in the middle part of the draft.
You are now free to try to start wasting other
people's money. Ah, everybody, take a deep breath. Now we

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can start wasting other people's money. I'm not saying that's
all you're gonna be doing, because you have to gauge
when it gets to you. Are things hot still our
price is really still high? Or are things slowing down?
Is there enough money out of the room. We're going
to pay attention to when that stuff shifts in our
inflection point episode here in a couple of weeks. Inflection

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points are points during the draft when things start to shift.
You have to start recognizing, did a guy just get
auctioned off for seventeen bucks when he's a twenty six
dollars player. Uh oh, there's no money left in the room.
Get your guys out there, start going jump on it.
Now's the time you need to start getting some deals
right now? Or are the prices still way too high?

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The competition's artificially high. That's my favorite because I can
see that happening. I can see the prices are way
too high, and I know it's coming back to me.
I know that if I just have patience, I'm going
to be able to be in the driver's seat near
the end of the auction. In fact, I'm going to
be in the driver's seat for the last fifty percent
of the auction because I'm going to wait until everybody's

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blown their money, and then I'm going to go in
and scoop up a massive group of wide receiver twos
RB twos, wide receiver threes right in the meat of
that auction. So in the middle part of the draft,
your nominations need to follow the flow of the draft.
Are things hot, Call out players you don't want because
people are going to overspend for him. One of my

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favorite things to do, you know how I feel about rookies.
One of my favorite things to do is in the
meat of the draft. You're in the middle part of
the draft, and you know, hey, I'm not gonna worry
too much about Kean Coleman or Brian Thomas, our Molik neighbors,
because I think people are going to overpay for them,
so you know they're not going to end up on
your team. Now, I'm not telling you to do this.
If people don't like rookies, then wait on them and

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grab a couple, because that's that's the best way to
do it. Get a couple of them, see if one
pans out. But if you're in a room that's all
excited about rookies, like I'm going to be in the
King's Classic in a couple of weeks, then in the
middle of the draft, when you got all kinds of
guys still sitting on the board, all kinds of wide
receiver twos, you've got t Higgins and DeVante Smith and

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all these veteran guys that you know are producers, Keenan
Allen's guys like that. They're all still on the board,
and you look down and see Milite Neighbors Boom. Call
them out if you don't want him, and the room's hot,
call out Milak Neighbors. You know he's going to go
for a price that you you don't want to spend
because the price is going to be too high and
things are too hot. But if things are slowing down
and you can see that you're going to get a deal,

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then you need to call out somebody you really want,
all right. So there's the most feel in the middle
of the draft, And as you come out of the
middle of the draft, you get back into a situation
where maybe in the middle you were calling out nams
you didn't like. But late in the draft, it is
really hard to call out quote unquote waste nominations because

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a couple things start to happen later in the draft.
And I want you to think back to the factors
I talked about your roster, their roster, your cap, their cap,
the total cap in the room, the player pooling, scarcity,
think about all that stuff, but roster flexibility starts to
become a big factor for you late in the draft.
I remember telling a story a couple of years ago

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about how I'm in a league where you can only
roster five wide receivers or five running backs. Coming out
of the draft, it was a really big deal not
to waste one of those roster spots on a two
or three dollars player, because there weren't enough players to
go around where you would get too deep in the pool.
It was only a ten team league. Only fifty wide
receivers and fifty running backs are going to be drafted,

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so you want to have some really good players at
the back of your roster. So roster flexibility was huge
in that league. And what you don't want to do
is you don't want to get caught trying to waste
a nomination late in the draft and then get stuck
with that player that can ruin the end of your draft.
Let's say you're holding on to twenty four bucks and

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the nearest closest, the nearest competitor to you has fourteen
dollars left, so you've got a significant advantage over the
rest of the room. And you're going to run through
the last four spots on your roster getting anybody you
want in that draft. If you try to waste a
nomination and get too cute, you're going to call out somebody,
You're gonna get stuck with them, and it's going to
screw you for one of your four remaining roster spots.

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So roster flexibility becomes even bigger factor or later in
the draft. So paying attention to what a nomination will
do if you get stuck with them is one of
the biggest things you can do late in the draft.
Don't get caught waste that nomination. And another thing you
can start to think about is the inverse of that
is that you want to start clogging other people's rosters

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if possible. So if you see that there's a player
on the board that you know is going to get
some interest, Let's say, for example, I hate to harp
on it, but let's just say a rookie like Brian Thomas. Hey,
let's say you don't believe in the Brian Thomas hype.
I'm not making a value judgment about Brian Thomas. Don't
get bogged down there. Let's say you don't think he's

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going to be very good. And you know though, that
he's not going to go for a dollar. So you're
fine nominating Brian Thomas. It doesn't matter if he goes
for two or six or twelve. What you did is
you started to fill someone else's roster and you fill
them with a player that you weren't really that interested in.
You have to be careful with this because you have

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to be sure that that person is going to go
for more than a dollar. And oftentimes I see that
people say, oh, well, I called out Rashid Shaheed and
I thought everybody loved him and I got him for
a dollar. Well, you know, people may love him, but
when it gets to the end of the draft, people
are waiting for their players and maybe they don't care
about rashidhi heat So you just ended up wasting a
roster spot. Now, maybe that's a good thing you got

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them for a dollar. Whatever. Again, we're not making value
judgments here, the point being you have to pay attention
to these things late in a draft because they are
so fluid and it is so important. And I'm going
to say this, and I know that you're not gonna
love it, but your nominations in the last four to
five rounds of the draft are the most critical nominations
you're going to make. Early in a draft, you have

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more flexibility. Oh I said this, Noam, it didn't really work.
It was the wrong one. I pulled the wrong lever.
That's gonna happen because there's so many variables still left,
there's so much money in the room, so many roster spots,
so many divergent ideas about what people are doing. Your
nominations early on, they may fail, they may be the
wrong nomination. But the later you get in the you

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have to be more precise about your nominations and what
they're going to do. And that's a phrase that we
haven't used in a couple weeks that I want to
bring back up here. Nominations are all about pressure and precision,
and we talked about that earlier in the summer, and
I'm bringing it back up now because it's so important.
You want to make nominations that put the maximum pressure

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on your opponents by forcing them to make a decision
on important players that may be important to them. And
you want to be precise in your nomination because you
don't want it to backfire on you. But you want
to force your opponents into a mistake. Some guy already
has six wide receivers and you call it a wide receiver.
That's a more than a one dollar player, and they
end up getting them for three dollars and they say,

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oh crap, I've got twenty bucks left. I shouldn't have
spent three dollars. I shouldn't have beid three on that player.
You force them to make a mistake. Your precise nomination
targeted somebody and it forced them into a mistake. Pressure
and precision, and it becomes that much bigger at the
end of the auction. The last thing you need to
pay attention to. When you're near the end of an auction,

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you're going to get to that point where players only
have one dollar left to spend, or they have a
couple bucks left to spend. You need to make sure
you know which players can afford to bid a dollar
and which players can afford to bid more than a dollar,
and you need to tailor your nominations to that point.
So if you can bid more than a dollar and somebody,

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let's say somebody else needs the same thing you do.
You both need a quarterback and they can bid two
bucks but they can't bid more than two dollars. You
got to know that because you can't call out a
quarterback for a dollar and have them say two. Because
I got news for you. Most people are going to
say two just out of spite, because they're either going
to get the player for two, or they're going to
make you say three. You just wasted two bucks. Make

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your nomination precise. What is the right number to start at.
I don't generally like to nominate for more than a dollar,
but sometimes it's the right move. You have to pay
attention to who has more than a dollar and make
your nominations precise. At the end of the draft, it
can often mean the difference in saving a dollar or
two to get you the player you want with the

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last pick in the draft or one of the last
selections that you have. All right, well, that's gonna just
about do it for this week. Don't forget the overarching
concepts here. Things are unpredictable in an auction, so take
back what control you can by nominating with pressure and precision.

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You have to have a reason every time you nominate somebody.
Follow the flow of the draft, and don't forget your factors.
What does your roster look like. What does the other
person's roster look like? What is your cap? What's the
total cap in the room, what's the cap of the
other person, what's the playerpool look like? And what's the
scarcity within in the tiers look like. Tailor your nominations

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to help you early in the draft. You want to
be trying to define your draft. In the middle of
the draft, you got to feel your way through it
and no, should I be wasting people's money or should
I just simply sit here and have patience? Do I
need to jump in? And then later in the draft,
pressure and precision become so important. Put the maximum pressure

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on your opponents at the same time, you're putting out
precise nominations and precise opening bits. Follow the flow of
the draft at all times, and always be thinking about
your future nominations. If you put all these things together,
I think you're going to realize that your game goes
up a level and you're going to be sitting in

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the middle of the auction and saying, how the heck
did I ever go into a draft and just really
nearly nominate players. You're going to realize that that is
not a strategy. That's going to help you, and you're
going to see right away the difference in your draft
when you start taking all these things into account for
your nomination strategies. All right, folks, Well that is our

(54:03):
Nomination Strategy episode. Thank you so much for listening. I
can't wait to get onto this week's discussions with Drew.
Matt Schoff is one of my favorite analysts in the
industry bar none. He is fantastic. You're going to love it.
Fantastic number two. Oh lord, he really likes that word fantastic. Well,
I think that is just fantastic. All right, Thanks Paula.

(54:27):
Thanks for dropping in, Paula. I hope that you all
enjoyed the Nomination Strategies. This stuff is, like I said,
I feel like I barely scratch the surface, but I
hope I walked you through what you should be thinking about,
what you should be doing in your overarching principles. Start
putting the stuff into place, start developing your gut, start
developing your instinct. I think you're gonna love it, and

(54:47):
I think you're gonna see results right away. Let's get
over to this week's discussions with Drew and Matt Shaw
from Draft Sharks.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Time for discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
brightest minds in the fanness industry.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew. Our guest this
week is Matt Shoff from Draft sharks dot com. Matt
is a senior analyst, editor, fantasy all around good guy, yes,
all of it over there at Draft Sharks. He's been
there for a long time, and I tell you what,
he has been a guest on the show every summer

(55:24):
since I started this show, and I appreciate Matt coming on.
But Matt is also the host of the award winning
Draft Sharks podcast, as well as two time IDP Fantasy
Pro's Accuracy Champ. That's some lofty stuff here, but that's
why we have you on the show. Matt. Welcome and
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Hey, I'm doing what I can. I appreciate you having
me on every year. I hope that my voice holds up.
But I'll have to go ahead and admit before we
get started that I was just tearing through a Noah
Kan song while I was showering. So if it gives
out at any point, that's why. It's just because I'm
giving my all in all fronts.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Unacceptable, unacceptable, Noah con although you know that's something that
keeps coming across my fyp on TikTok lately because you
know he's getting pretty big. But well, that's understandable, that's
important stuff. But how is your summer going? And I
have to ask the question, You're probably not going to
Canton this year, are you?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I mean, they keep scheduling it right in money making
time for US fantasy sites. So I don't know about
everybody else that goes out there, but that's key season
for us. We just can't afford the time to head
out there.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I understand Clayton from Football Guys has gone the past
couple of years and he said, I just can't do
it this year. It's just a terrible time. I totally
get it. I'm trying to get out shows and articles
and I got to work ahead to be there for
four days, and so I don't have to work when
I'm there, So I totally understand that we'll get to
meet eventually. I'm probably going to head out there to

(56:50):
maybe visit my buddy Drake or Ryan hallim out there,
and I'll make sure to scoop you up on the way,
But thank you again for being here. What have you
had going on this summer Fantasy wise, tell everybody where
they can find you and where they can find your
work and what you're working on now.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, man, well of course you mentioned Draft Sharcks dot com.
That's where you can find any of the stuff I'm doing.
You know, we're doing podcasts, doing articles. We just finished
the initial run of our series. It comes out every year.
It used to be called Perfect Draft. Now it goes
by draft Strategy, but it covers different sized leagues and
different scoring formats and runs through the draft and shows

(57:29):
like who our top options are at every turn from
every different pick throughout the draft order and for you know,
half PPR, PPR, non PPR. Honestly, I hate doing it
every year because it's a really tedious process, but it
churns out a very useful article that people love every year,
so we keep doing it every day. It's on the
schedule every year. I complain when it comes up, but

(57:50):
I do it, and those are up on the site.
You know, we're getting really into draft preview season now,
so I'm doing my favorite kind of podcast, favorite kind
of articles where we're really We've done a lot of
drafting and studying to this point, and now we're really
digging into telling people who we think they should pick
for this year's teams.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
So you got rid of the team by team pods,
is that right? Or like the divisional pods?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, that was the kind of thing that just took
up more time than it was worth. Unfortunately, they were fun,
but you know, at some point you got to do
a cost benefit analysis.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I understand, I understand. I liked those. Me and my
buddy would rip through those before our drafts because they
were just the perfect primer to get prepared. But it
sounds like the stuff you're doing now is going to
be pretty interesting too, So I will definitely have to
check those out. And like I've said to everybody every
summer that I've had Matt on, the reason that I
brought Matt on in the first place was because I

(58:45):
started listening to those Draft Sharks pods before I ever
became a member of football guys that started doing my
own thing, and they were one of my favorite things
to listen to over the summer. So check out those
pods that he's doing, and check out Matt's work over
there at draft Sharks dot Com. But you know, let's
get down to business, because we are in that time
of year where we don't have the luxury of sitting

(59:07):
around and just chewing the fat about things that will
be Things are actually happening now, which is actually, you know,
it's pretty exciting that we are getting into training camp.
So I thought the appropriate thing for today's show would
be let's look at some big training camp questions and
talk about some of the things that we might see
or what we are hoping will happen. And some of

(59:28):
these questions, I'm going to ask you, hey, what are
you hope's going to happen? But also what do you
think might actually happen here? And that's kind of how
I want to start out with the first question because
we have a situation in Minnesota that of course, we've
heard the coach speak in the last couple of days
about the quarterback battle between Sam Darnold and I'll tell

(59:49):
you what, I keep calling him Sam Bradford. I don't
know why. I hope maybe there's some sort of connection
in my brain. I can't get over it. But if
I do that, just you know, just yell at me.
But Sam Darnald I got it correct. Is has been
annointed the starter at least as far as reps are
concerned in camp right now. But we know that they

(01:00:11):
like the rookie, and I guess the question is not
really how much do you care about either one of
these guys for a fantasy because I'm not sure the
answer is a whole lot. But what does this do
to Justin Jefferson's fortunes because he is a first round
wide receiver? And what's your faith in that quarterback room
in general? Do you care who wins that battle? Do
you think one or the other is better for Jefferson's

(01:00:32):
long term fantasy outlook?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I honestly don't care who wins.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I think that anybody who says right now that they
know who would be better for Justin Jefferson is lying
probably to themselves, because we've seen JJ McCarthy spend absolutely
no time on an NFL field. We've seen Sam Donald
play absolutely no snaps in Minnesota, he didn't play anything
for He played barely anything for San Francisco last year,

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so everything is new there. I don't know exactly whose
best form I have seen the question of can Justin
Jefferson be supported by whoever the quarterback is in Minnesota
this year come up lately, and I think that you
get yourself into trouble by positioning it that way. So
let's just look at last year. I know that through

(01:01:18):
most of his young career to this point, and it's
important to remember that we don't have a lot of
Justin Jefferson to go on so far, but through most
of it it's been Kirk Cousins. Last year, he was
wide receiver five in PPR points per game, with four
and a half games of Kirk Cousins and four and
a half games of the combo of Josh Dobbs, Nick
Mullins and Jaren Hall. Justin Jefferson had a career high

(01:01:40):
in receiving yards per game last year, a one more
yard per game than the year before.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
He had his most.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yards per catch since his rookie season three years before,
with half of his season being that garbage crew of quarterbacks,
and that per game stuff includes two games where he
was maybe on the field for as much as he
should have been. So when you take that stuff out,
last year was right in line with the best of

(01:02:05):
what we've seen from Justin Jefferson. So maybe we get
to the end of this year and we're like, yeah,
Sam Donald and JJ McCarthy could not support Justin Jefferson.
But sitting here in July, on the brink of August,
I'm gonna go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
And bet on Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
And if that doesn't work out for me and it
turns out that I should have taken Pukinakua ahead of
him in round one, I'll take the l on that one,
because I think even a disappointing Justin Jefferson is probably
still going to be a pretty good fantasy player as
long as he stays healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah, and you name the quarterbacks that he dealt with
for part of the year last year. I think we
can at least say that Donald and McCarthy are as
good as those guys, right, I mean, and I would
hope they're better. I mean, that's arguably what the Vikings
were trying to do. So I don't think it's going
to be any worse than that collection that you just

(01:02:57):
mentioned there. Plus, you know, I wasting Matt Harmon's work
the other day on a reception Perception, and he talked
about watching some of Jefferson's routes after he came back
from the injury, and he said it was it was
obvious that he was still dealing with some issues that
he wasn't one hundred percent when he was pushing off

(01:03:17):
on some of his routes later in the year. So
hopefully back to one hundred percent this year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
And but at more point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
DJ Moore finished wide receiver six in PPR last year
with Justin Fields and Tyson Bagent as his quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So I'll take a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Yeah, it's still Justin Jefferson. I wish he'd give up
all the candy, but you know, well maybe down the road, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
That'll come in a couple of years. He's still young.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
It will, it will. I figured that out myself at
forty eight years old. That body doesn't quite respond the
way you wanted to the older yet. So okay, well
let's talk about the Jacksonville Wide Receiver Corps. And this
is something that unfortunately I keep hammering away at, you know,
with my guests, because it's just such an interesting situation

(01:04:00):
because nobody really cares about any of them. But somebody
at these prices is going to outperform their ADP and
maybe by a lot. Christian Kirk is right, around wide
receiver thirty right now and going off a football guy's ADP.
Of course, this can shift day to day, but roughly
wide receiver thirty for Christian Kirk Brian Thomas is roughly

(01:04:21):
wide receiver forty five, and then gave Davis down there
at wide receiver sixty. I guess the first question is
how do we see the playing time shakeout in this
wide receiver corps or what are you projecting? And the
question for me is why is Davis stuck down there
at sixty with Thomas at forty five? It feels to
me as though Davis might be the guy who starts

(01:04:41):
the season on the field. I don't know that. I'm
looking for your take on that, but also, you know,
Christian Kirk at wide receiver thirty seems a little bit
low as well, given how we've seen him perform in
Jacksonville the first couple of years when he was on
the field and wasn't hurt. What are your thoughts about
that wide receiver corps there in Jackonville.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I'm glad you said interesting because that's the first word
that popped into my mind when you brought up the
Jacksonville passing game. The whole thing is very interesting because
it's priced in who cares range, Like, you don't have
to be all in on the Jags to bet on
any of them, and you don't have to say this
is my guy among these Jaguars receivers because of all
those prices.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
That you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Usually if the two and three wide receivers talking about
Gabe Davis and Brian Thomas Junior in either order, usually
if those guys are priced at wide receiver forty five
and sixty, it's because there's a dominant guy that's up
somewhere inside the top fifteen that's not here. So I'm
interested in all three of those guys at those prices.
I'm most interested in Christian Kirk because we've seen it

(01:05:42):
with him. He hasn't had dominant target shares, but he's
been the most reliable scorer among Jaguars wideouts went healthy
over the past couple of years. I mean, we saw
him go wide receiver twenty and PPR points per game
his first season in Jacksonville wide receiver twenty two in
target share there, So I think that it's a reasonable
exploit expectation for him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
This year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
The numbers fell down a bit with Calvin Ridley around
last year. But now they dumped Calvin Well. They let
Calvin Ridley go, replaced him with Gabe Davis, who has
not been a target earner, and a first round pick
in Brian Thomas Junior. So I think it's fair to
say we shouldn't expect either of those guys to draw
targets the way that Calvin Ridley did. So I think
that leaves more there for Christian Kirk. And again, you

(01:06:24):
don't have to over invest in him to take a
shot that he climbs back up to that you know,
decent wide receiver two range. Gabe Davis is down there
because everybody looks at him and thinks, ah, I trusted
him before and he sucked. So now everybody's like, nah,
Jacksonville didn't pay him thirteen million dollars a year in
free agency, then they drafted Brian Thomas Junior. Obviously they

(01:06:45):
agree with me that gave Davis sucks. I'm gonna say
that Jacksonville doesn't think that's the case, and that even
if Gabe Davis continues to be the same guy in Jacksonville,
he wasn't Buffalo. He's absolutely a fine shot to take
a wide receiver sixty, And I mean there's a chance
that he's something better than what he was in Buffalo
because there's no Stefan Diggs. I said, you know positive
things about Christian Kirk, but he's definitely not Stefan Diggs

(01:07:07):
either in terms of performance or target earning. So maybe
we get twenty percent targets here, Gabe Davis here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Brian Thomas Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I don't know. I mean, he wasn't his wide receiver,
his team's wide receiver one in college, played with Malik Neighbors,
So you know it's tough to knock him too much
for that, but you know, we don't know what he's
gonna become.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
That always makes me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Wary if a guy is valued too high. I don't
think wide receiver forty five is too high. I think
when you position it versus Gab Davis at wide receiver sixty,
I prefer Davis. But I'm not gonna argue with anybody
that says, nah, Brian Thomas is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I'm gonna take a shot on him. That's totally fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
And you know what else comes out of this is
the fact that I look at all these receivers and
I say, I'm not sure who it's gonna be, and
then I look near them at tight end and I
see a guy who has soaked up targets each of
the past two years. I headed into draft season thinking
it's been fun with Evan Ingram, but I don't think
that he really has the upside that I'm looking for.

(01:08:03):
But nobody else thinks that either. So the market's like, mah,
Evan Ingram and I'm like, oh, okay, well here's the
guy who could finish top three targets at the position again.
So I guess I'll go ahead and mix in some
Evan Ingram as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, and the point you made about Kirk, you know,
he's not Stefan Diggs. That's an interesting point because Davis.
First of all, Davis and Kirk ostensibly they're going to
do different things, right, I mean, that's not something that
they're going to be directly competing for the same type
of targets. But also I saw an interesting point somebody
made the other day about the fact that Josh Allen

(01:08:33):
really has never supported a second wide receiver to be
a top end guy, and maybe that was the problem
with Davis. I mean, maybe he just is what he is,
and we're going to see this year and go, oh, yeah,
he's still that guy, or maybe we're going to see
that he earns targets at a little bit higher rate
in Jacksonville, in which case that wide receiver sixty price
is going to look a little bit silly when we
get into the season. Yeah, I'm really paying attention for

(01:08:55):
that training camp news because this is an interesting spot
and I just wonder if we're going to see one
of these guys spike a little bit, because the prices
just seem a little bit odd for a Trevor Lawrence
led passing intact. Even though he wasn't god last year,
he was certainly good enough that one of these guys
is going to outperform their ADP.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I would think, Yeah, they're definitely all priced in a
way that taking a shot on somebody is at the
very least not going to hurt you. And you know,
if you don't want any of the white outs, take
Trevor Lawrence even as you're QB two, and then you
don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Pick the whiteout that breaks out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
If all of them are pretty good, then he's probably
gonna be solid. I think two of your Josh Allen
point is good and beyond this situation here, I think
something that fantasy drafters don't do enough is think about if,
like we all look at what happened last year and
we say this is you know, you might say Josh
Allen has never supported a second wide receiver, or that

(01:09:49):
could be a Josh Allen issue, or it could be
a Gabe Davis issue, and none of us really knows
yet because we haven't seen either of them outside of
the other one. So if you head into the season
thinking maybe this is true, as a this is definitely true,
that's going to get you into more situations that can
pay off and keep you from you know, fading some
other things that are just undefined at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And with the price it is, it's just
so easy to get Davis. And then if you've noticed
that he is who he is two weeks, three weeks
into the season, you say, okay, well I can get
rid of him, and that's that's super easy. So I
think those decisions aren't that difficult once you get into
the year. But it doesn't cost you a lot of
draft capital, now, that's for sure. I think maybe you know,

(01:10:32):
a long bomb from Trevor Lawrence here in the first
week of training camp. Maybe we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
That you are getting into that season.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Now we are. We are Nick Chubb jumped up in price.
We're going to talk about him later, but jumped up
in priced off of doing some squats on Twitter. So
that is the season. Tis the season. But hey, that's
exciting stuff because we're actually watching real football. I want
to talk about something that probably is not as exciting.

(01:10:59):
Great to lead into a question, sure, but I think
it's something that we have to do. And I like
to pride myself here on the show getting to the
stuff that maybe isn't super exciting, but decisions we're going
to face and every single draft we're in, and that's
the Saints running backs. So let me build my case
a little bit here. Unfortunately, this is how my brain

(01:11:20):
works after twenty years of practice in law. But we
know that Sean Payton's offenses love to feed running backs,
and they feed the running back room. His running backs
just score fantasy points. That's just how his offense is built,
particularly in PPR leagues. We finally have moved on for
many vestiges of the Sean Payton tree there in New Orleans.

(01:11:43):
So now we've got Clint Kobiack in town, and I
don't know what to make of this room because Alvin
Kamara is I feel still fairly pricey at RB sixteen,
given the dips and efficiency that we've seen over the
last year or two, and the fact that maybe we
can infer that all of these PPR targets are going

(01:12:06):
to be funneled toward Kamara, giving him that nice cushion
that he's had the past couple of years, even though
we've seen the decline in efficiency. So I'm a little
bit concerned about that. Maybe I'm wrong, though, because maybe
they see that Kamara is still that weapon that they
want to give those targets to. The problem is we've
just got kind of a muddy thing behind him. Jamal

(01:12:27):
Williams didn't do much last year. Kendre Miller was pretty
much hurt most of the year, but he looks like
he has some promise. What do we make about this
room in general, and how do you feel specifically about
Alvin Kamara and that RB sixteen price tag right now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I'm not super interested in Alvin Kamara because of the
signs of decline that you mentioned, and now he comes
off of that heads into his age twenty nine season,
which we have a lot of historical aging data on players,
driving especially our dynasty rankings at this point, and the
research on that says that absolutely no running back archetype

(01:13:03):
has supplied more than eighty percent of his peak production
in that age twenty nine season. It doesn't mean no
player has. It just means, in the larger buckets every
different archetype of running back, we should expect all of
them to be eighty percent of less or less of
their peak production in this age twenty nine season. So
we're talking about a player that's already showed some signs

(01:13:23):
of decline.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
He's coming off.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Three straight years really a fairly inefficient rushing as he
has taken on more work. Last year was a career
low in yards per catch. You know, maybe that's not
all him. Maybe it's an unexciting offense, Derek Carr, a
struggling offensive line. I'm not sure that offensive line is
going to be excellent this year. Kamara scored well in
fantasy last year basically just because of the receptions. He

(01:13:45):
ranked fourth in PPR points per game among running backs
last year. The Saints still only ranked sixteenth in running
back scoring, So if he doesn't get peppered with targets
this year, he's in trouble. I think the backfield is
potentially in trouble, and you know he's relatively discounted versus

(01:14:06):
last year's finish. But I agree with what you said earlier.
It's still too early for me considering some of the
other players still available around him. So I'd rather just
be out on Kamara, and I think that even if
I'm wrong, it's not going to be like a kill
my season level of wrong. I am interested in Kendra Miller,
but I'm going to be less interested if we don't

(01:14:28):
get positive reports on him in camp, because I think
there's opportunity for him to potentially seize, and I think
that he is a talented player based on what he
did in college. But at this point I need to
see some kind of evidence that he's ready to seize
on that before I'm going to actually bet heavily with
a team where I'm setting the lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah, and you mentioned the really important point. I'm not
sure that that whole line is going to get any better.
And we've heard that, didn't we hear that Ramchick is
done for the year, Is that right? So I just
don't I don't know that the there's a lot of
light at the end of the tunnel that for that
O line to improve. So yeah, it certainly feels like
a guy that's being propped up by PPR targets could

(01:15:09):
easily fall off a cliff and that RB sixteen price
could quickly look like a mirage. All right, Well, let's
stay in that division here with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
because another guy we've heard some rumors about this offseason.
I think we're going to find out here in training
camp pretty soon whether or not it's true or not.
But we've heard the rumors of Chris Godwin moving back

(01:15:29):
to the slot. The interesting thing about godwin season last
year is that he still had one hundred and thirty
targets last year while he was finishing right around twelve
fantasy points per game in PPR leagues. Mike Evans had
one hundred and thirty six targets, so only six more targets.
Yet Evans finished seventh last year while Godwin finished thirty first.

(01:15:52):
Can Godwin regain a top twenty four form here? Does
the rumors about him? I guess do the rumors about
him moving back into the slot hold much water for you?
And if they do, what do you think about as
wide receiver thirty four price tag right now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I think that the rumors of moving to the slot
are good in that even if they're considering it or
working on it, then that can't hurt because they're looking
for ways to get Chris Godwin the ball. I ultimately
don't care a lot exactly how much he's in the
slot for projecting that production, because he's been a productive
player inside and outside. He still won't have the quarterback
that he had when he put up those big slot

(01:16:32):
numbers that people like to point to, like Baker Mayfield
is not going to be as good as a fifty
year old Tom Brady. That said, Chris Godwin is still
a good player. He's just twenty eight. He turned twenty
eight in February, and he is currently being drafted either
at or below his worst Fantasy finish of the past
five years. So even if he's just the same player

(01:16:54):
he was last year, he's a fine pick at ADP.
We've all seen that the ultimate ceiling reaches into wide
receiver one territory. Now I'm not saying he's got that
upside necessarily this season. I don't know exactly how high
he can go, and maybe it's not any higher than
like wide receiver twenty four or twenty two something like that,
but there is more than enough equity in where he's

(01:17:15):
going to go ahead and take a shot on Chris
Godwin as a wide receiver three or wide receiver four,
and then see what happens once he gets on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Well, and as I like to say on the show
a lot, that's an auction dream right there, because you
can really budget to have him as a four or five,
and then if things don't work out, he's a nice
depth piece. But you don't have to worry too much
about spending so much capital that it ruins your starting
lineup or impacts your team that much. So all right, Well,
another veteran that I'm wondering about is Dereck Henry in Baltimore,

(01:17:48):
and I haven't talked about him a lot this summer,
but it sure seems like a lot of the fantasy
community and analysts that I talk to believe that Henry's
landed in the perfect spot. And every time we think
something is perfect, it's probably not going to go perfect?
But what are the problems that we can possibly see
with Henry this year? I know age and touch Cliff

(01:18:10):
are right there, but is this the perfect spot for Henry?
He's the RB eight right now, so he's still a
top ten running back because enough people believe in him.
But that's certainly the cheapest he's been in a long time.
Can we trust this spot? Do we trust that everybody's
on the Henry bandwagon? I know Gus Edwards was able
to fall into the end zone quite a few times
last year, and it certainly seems like Derrick Henry, regardless

(01:18:33):
of any touch or age cliff, is a much better
running back than Gus Edwards. So what are your thoughts
about Derek Henry and Baltimore?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, yes, he's absolutely in the perfect spot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
We all knew he was going to move on from
Tennessee that you know, that was just like broadcast before
it happened, just by their actions. Baltimore paid him nine
million dollars a year on the free agency contract.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
A two year deal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
He's at least there for one year. We'll see whether
that second year is real or not, but at the
very least they're guaranteeing him nine million dollars this year.
It's not like he used up his time in Tennessee
and then was lingering on the market and some team
gave him a home. They went out and got him.
John Harbaugh earlier this offseason when asked what we should
expect Derrick Henry to look like and Baltimore said, you

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should expect him to look like he did in Tennessee.
So they're gonna give him the ball quite a bit,
Like what is the worst case scenario here? Obviously, besides injury,
it's that he's not as good as he was. He's
a less efficient runner. Even in that case, there's not
anybody in Baltimore that's overtaking him on the running back
depth chart, So at worst, he's Gus Edwards.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
I know that there was some touchdown luck there, but
I think Derrick Henry is probably a pretty good candidate
for some touchdown luck here. Lamar Jackson runs the ball
a lot, but he's not like a Josh Allen Jalen
Hurts type of runner where he's punching it into the
end zone near the goal line. They're gonna give it
to the big guy that they just signed for a
bunch of money. Beyond that, like just talking about a

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running back at his age, I know that we're talking
about a guy that should reach a cliff this year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
There are outliers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
You don't want to bet on outliers, But if you
are going to bet on an outlier, I think betting
on a guy who has always been a physical outlier,
that's a good time to do it. Who is in
a spot where even if he's a declining player, he
should get scoring chances. And I mean, what's the other
downside risk? He doesn't get receptions because Lamar Jackson scrambles

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instead of throwing to the running backs. That's been Derrick
Henry's entire career. So I think the only downside risk
here is that he gets hurt. And I mean, show
me a running back where that's not the downside risk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah, I'm on board there because you know, we all
watched him in Tennessee and we watched him slam the
ball up into the line into stacked boxes over and over.
It sure feels like there's going to be some lanes
there for Henry this year, and I hope that's the case,
and I hope he can stay healthy because I've been
generally not that excited about his price the last couple
of years and been fairly much out on him, And

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now that I'm back in on him, I can't wait
to see how that works out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
I don't do him and Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
I know, I know I knocked on Wood and all
kinds of things when I said that, but I really
think it's a perfect spot too. And I've just found
some really nice auction prices recently where he's going in
the low thirties. I mean I even got him. I
did a mock the other day where I got him
for like twenty six bucks. I mean, that's absurd if
you can lock up a guy like Henry who could
have fifteen touchdown upside. Here, Let's talk about another running

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back that I'm interested in, and I'm seeing a theme here.
We've got a lot of running backs on the show
sheet today that wasn't on purpose, but Ken Walker out
in Seattle. He's an interesting person to talk about because
last year I was really in on Walker in his
price tag, and I thought that that would be a
guy that was going to end up on a lot
of teams, and he did, and he performed fairly well

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for most of the season. Some of the problems started
to crop up over the second half of the year
that Walker may still face this year. And I'm wondering
what your thought is on some of those And what
I put on the sheet was I went and looked
at my buddy Dayne McFarland has his utilization tool over
there at Fantasy Life, which by the way, I can't
recommend enough. I love it. But long down and distant

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snaps at the end of last year, he wasn't playing
any of them, literally zero percent for about three quarters
of the year, didn't play any of the long down
and distant snaps. He never played over forty eight percent
of the snaps the second half of the season. That's
according to Football Guy snap shares. That is a really
big red flag that I haven't heard many people talking about.

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He's RB seventeen in ADP right now. That feels high
for a guy that doesn't play long down in distance
and was playing less than half of the snaps last year.
Should we be concerned about Ken Walker this year?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I have got to say that I'm pretty neutral on
him right now. I think part of the issue for
his playing time late last season could be that the
team wasn't very good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
I mean, they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Lost five of their final eight games, and the three
wins in that range were all narrow wins, so they
were playing tight games where it might make sense to
have the passing back on the field more if that
is Zach Sharbonay. Then the other side, I think of
looking at usage from last year that you don't want
to say not to do it, but it could be

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an issue because it's a whole new coaching staff, so
maybe we get totally different usage this year. And that's
really why I'm kind of neutral, because I don't know
yet what the new coaching staff is gonna think of
these two running backs. Maybe they're like, ken Walker's been
good so far, he's gonna be our lead guy and
then we'll work in Sharbonay some or maybe they're like,
we like both of these guys, let's split them, keep

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them both fresh. Or maybe there's something that they like
about Zach Sharbonet. So I think we're gonna have to
watch and see what happens with both running backs this summer.
The reason I'm not like totally out is because I
think that there's lots of upside overall in this offense.
I think there's a chance at this offense produces much
better than what their collective ADP would suggest and what

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you might project from last year's scoring and yardage. So
I want to be in on Seattle overall. I've been
buying primarily into the passing game, but if the passing
game hits in the biggest way, which I'm obviously hoping for,
then it's certainly going to bring the running backs along
with scoring opportunities if nothing else. So I'm not out

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on Kenneth Walker. He's also not a target for me.
I'm waiting to see on that backfield in particular.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
I think the offense itself is such an interesting inflection
point for us this offseason because we know what Ryan
Grubb did in college, and it certainly seems like looking
at the lack of motion and pre snap tendencies of
the Seattle offense, they were fairly stale the last couple
of years, and now we bring in a guy who,

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at least on the surface, looks like he's going to
have more ingenuity about that and be more focused on
bringing the offense into two twenty twenty four not being
such a stale pre snap offense That could help the
overall offense in general, but also pace of play could
also improve quite a bit. There was really nowhere to

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go but up with pace of play in Seattle as well.
So I take your point, well, and if that does happen,
the offense gets better, the pace of play picks up,
then we could see both running backs outperform their ADP.
And who knows who they're going to pick in training camp,
and we'll be looking to see and we will be letting,
you know, let's talk about another running back here, and

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Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard is I'm fascinated by this ADP
because last year this time we were talking about him.
Everyone's darling and I was kind of saying, like, hey,
pump the brakes a little bit, what do we know
about Tony Pollard and his efficiency with a lot of touches?
Because we had two or three coaching staffs that didn't

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want to give Tony Pollard a full war coorse role.
I thought there was a reason for that. But it
feels like we've overcorrected a little bit right now. Football guys,
ADP hasn't met right around RB twenty nine. He's not
like basically an eighth or ninth round pick in read
raft leagues. Is that a trap? Am I crazy? Or
is this a good price for a guy who's one

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year removed from a pretty big season in Dallas when
he was split in time with Zeke Elliott.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Tony Pollard is a great case for trying to work
past your own bias, because anybody who played fantasy last
year is not initially high on Tony Pollard because he
let down everyone from what should have been a stellar
position for fantasy production. Now, from the ADP that you mentioned,
and that's the same the ADP that we have him

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for right now, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Nothing but upside.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Like what happens to your team if your round eight
running back doesn't work out? Absolutely nothing. If you look
back on the season and say, crap, I shouldn't have
taken that guy in round eight. That's why my season died,
you are lying to yourself. The rest of your team
sucked around him, if you think he was the weight
that brought.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Down this hot air balloon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Now, on the other hand, Tennessee didn't pay Tony Pollard
eight million dollars a year so that he could caddy
for TYJ. Spears, So I think Tony Pollard is probably
something better physically than what he showed us last year.
He has always performed better as a complimentary back. And
I say always, I mean we have one year of
him not being that versus the rest of the years

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of him being that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
But he's built that way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I mean, he doesn't look like a workhorse back. It
sounds like he's going to be working more complimentary. Not
that he's one bea to tay J. Spears is one a,
but they'll be sharing a bit more than Tennessee looking
to lean on Tony Pollard.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
How's it going to work out? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I mean, we'll have to see. Obviously, it's a new coach,
a bunch of new players in Tennessee, a very new scheme.
You can tell by the moves that they've made that
they're going to throw the ball a lot more and
not be a Derrick Henry driven offense like we got
every year under Mike Vrabel. So I think it's key
to say I don't know. And if Tony Pollard were
going in round four, round five, if he were the

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same price as Alvin Kamara, then I might be like, man,
I don't really care about Tony Pollard.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
I'll wait and take ty J.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Spears, But when he's the same price as Jalen Warren,
Raheem Moster, Jonathan Brooks, it's definitely why not range As
far as I'm concerned, we'll see if he can be
more like the old Tony Pollard.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Well, the great Bob Harris always says, the guys I
want to draft are the guys that burned the most
people of the previous year, and that's the case with
Tony Pollard and even the RB twenty nine ADP. It's
not as if that's where he finished last year. He
just was disappointing compared to where people drafted him. So
they've just completely thrown him overboard, when in fact his

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production was still decent, And if he had a couple
more touchdowns over the first half of the season when
he was still obviously recovering from that leg injury, you know,
his efficiency picked up in the second half of the year,
And if that continues this this year in a more
wide open offense, who knows, But I think I'm with
you that it's all upside there. What are we really
missing if we're spending eight bucks in an auction or

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a ninth round pick in a snake draft.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah, recognizing market bias is just it's a winning strategy
every year. And then you know, like you, like we
both said, the range where he's going, there's just no downside.
If he doesn't work out, then he doesn't work out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Yeah, okay, Well, let me ask you about one more
set of running backs before we move on to our
endgame here. That is the Cleveland backfield. And it's one
that I haven't talked about a lot this summer either,
because people don't really seem that interested in it. None
of the running backs there are that pricey. Although Nick

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Chubb did some squats and he's moving up the rankings
because he's a strong man. But he's right now the
highest drafted running back right around RB thirty six, so
bottom of RB three, top of RB four territory, Jerome
four not far behind, right around RB forty one. But
Jontay Foreman is basically free. I don't know what to

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think about Nick Chubb because he's one of those guys
where ninety of players, I'm just gonna say, Okay, with
that knee injury, I'm just out. And that's you know
how I was with Javonte Williams last year. I'm just
out for that year. But Chubb is that kind of
guy where I say he might be able to buck
the trend and be a little bit better. But even so,

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I would guess that it's going to be later in
the year before we see some of that. What is
your opinion about these prices right now and what are
you doing with the Browns backfield right now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Well, first of all, what we're doing is actually squats
on Twitter have become our primary marketing strategy at Draft Sharks.
We're each going to take a week and see who
you know performs the best in terms of bringing in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
New people with squat videos.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
But for the Browns backfield, I'm really not super interested
in it at all because I think it's probably going
to be muddled throughout the season. Nick Chubb, you know
a player worth betting on. I think he fell even
further beyond where he is now in redraft ADP in
Best Ball drafts. So I started mixing in some of
Nick Chubb there, because you know, if you're taking him

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as your RB four, maybe even five at times, you're
only chasing the upside of if at any point he's
Nick Chubb. I would love to get a couple of
weeks of that mixed in if he climbs. I think
he's still in an oka range where you can stash him.
With that reasoning, he's in like still mid to low
RB three range according to our redraft ADP.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I'm not targeting him in there, but I'm not gonna
argue against somebody that says they are targeting him. I
think Foreman is interesting for best Ball because he's the
kind of guy that could just give you a surprise
two touchdown week at any point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
I'm really not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Interested for a redraft league, though, because you're gonna have
to decide when to start him. That means you probably
have to assume some stretch of time where Chubb is
completely inactive, because you're not going to be starting Deontay
Foreman in a week where Nick Chubb could play in
the game. And then even if Chubb is out, I
think Deontay Foreman is at best splitting e Lee with

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Jerome Ford taking none of the receiving. He's never been
a pass catcher, so I just don't think the upside's
there to be in on him for a lineup setting format.
Jerome Ford I think is fine. I mean, I wouldn't
argue against anybody who wants to take him where he
is going. If Nick Chubb is out for an extended period,
or if he tries to come back and you know,

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suffers some setback or re injury or whatever, I think
Jerome Ford would probably be the top scorer of that group.
How high he scores, I don't know, And that's why
I would be okay with taking him. But he's also
in the range where there are plenty of other guys
that I could make a similar case for, So he
doesn't he doesn't stand out. He's not a fade, he's
not a target.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Yeah. Ford seems like the kind of guy where it's
a little bit of an arbitrage play where if we
don't see Chubb progressing the way we want to in
the first part of the year, then Ford becomes really
valuable as the year moves on. I don't know if
that's true or not, but with that RB forty one
price tag, you're not really risking a lot either. You know,

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I'll h our conversation about a couple other guys here today,
so I think I'm with you. Then I'm not that
interested in any of them. I haven't spent a lot
of time drafting any of them, and I think, unfortunately,
we're going to get into training camp and see Nick
Chubb running around and his ADP is going to continue
to rise, and then I'm going to be completely out.
But that sha be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Time to actually mix Jerome Ford in more though, because
if he falls a little further, I think he gets
into the range where you don't have to take him
over like I don't know Marshaun Lloyd or the Dallas
running backs or Blake Korum and you know not that
you can't take Jerome Ford over those guys now. But
that's why I say he just doesn't really stand out.
He kind of mixes in with that group. But if
he falls to like RB forty eight or fifty, I

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think he gets a lot more interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Okay, excellent point. All right, Well we're going to end
here and by just doing a little bit of your
personal opinions or your your takes right now on a
couple of different things I want to talk about. First
of all, just offenses in general. I want to ask
you about one from each side. Every year, there are

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offenses that either disappoint fantasy managers for what they're doing,
or they surprise people and they do a little bit
better than we think they're going to do. Tampa Bay
last year or Seattle the previous year. So can you
help us out by naming an offense that your thinking
is going to be better than people expect this year
and then on the other side an offense you think

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that is going to disappoint us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah, better is definitely Seattle. Two years ago they ranked
ninth and scoring thirteenth in total yards. They fell off
last year as I mentioned earlier, but the underlying passing
metrics were still similar, Like Gino Smith didn't have a
terrible year last year and anything other than the stats
that sit out front. So I think it's a short
trip for them to get back to being at least decent.

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And it wasn't that long ago that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
They were really good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
They're probably more talented now than they were two years ago.
They have Jackson Smith and Jigblow, they have Zach Charbonnay,
they have no a Fen with less competition around him,
and they have the coaching staff that we talked about
that you know, maybe it won't work out in year
one in the NFL, but it's at least bringing an
exciting scheme from last year in code, the last two
years in college where you can see the upside and

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it doesn't cost that much to invest in any of them.
So that cheapness of investing in, especially those passing game
pieces jsn Gino Smith, Noahfan, it's so easy to get
in and then if it does hit, then you are
really getting huge value. And if it doesn't, you're really
not losing a whole lot. And then on the downside,

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I think Houston is going to let a lot of
people down the Houston passing games specifically, it's just too expensive.
Nico Collins in the first half of round two in
Best Ball ADP, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Exactly where he settles. In Redraft ADP.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I think he'll probably go a little bit later there,
but anywhere in round two he makes me uncomfortable. Stefan
Diggs inside of round three makes me uncomfortable because I
don't know that he's better than Tank Dell. I mean,
among the three of those guys, Tank Dell.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Had easily the best rookie season.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Like he didn't outscore Nico Collins last year, but that
was his first year in what Nico Collins is third
season in the league, so we have to take all
of that into account and think maybe Tank Dell is
headed toward being the best player of this group within
the next couple of years. Maybe he outscores digs this season.

(01:36:33):
I think ultimately it's going to be tough to predict
targets for all these guys, and I think the collection
is just going too early for us to expect CJ.
Stroud to support all three of them fantasy wise. So
I think Tank Dell's the one I'm most comfy taking
a shot on because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Third in that order.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
He's going middle a round five according to redraft ADP,
but that's right around wide receiver thirty. I think that's
an okay spot. I'm still not super in on him
at that level, but if you say which one are
you taking, that's the one I'm most in on right now.
And so this is where I have to switch over
from best Ball to redraft too or lineup setting as
opposed to Redraft.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
I think best Ball had been out on CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Stroud because I'm not in on any of those wide receivers.
But I think as we get into the portion where
we're setting our lineups, CJ. Stroud becomes a little bit
more okay at QB five, I don't think he's a
value because in that range you can find so many
other quarterbacks with rushing upside that he doesn't have. But
if they really do hit the way that you know,

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the fantasy market is hoping that that offense will overall
and he just has this magical forty five touchdown season.
You can take that quarterback in a lineup setting league
without any of his wide receivers, and then you not
only have a quarterback that's paying off, but you also
have leverage on three league mates who took those three
wide receivers and get those points that you are also

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getting in the quarterback, while also still having quarter back
insurance in case it doesn't work out behind him. I
think there's less of a penalty to making that bet
on CJ. Stroud in a lineup setting environment.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
All Right, Well, I like your picks because I am
a little bit heavy on JSN at this point, and
I haven't been clicking the button on these Houston wide
receivers a whole lot, and specifically Stefan Diggs has not
been somebody that I've had on many teams at all, well,
I want to get you out of here. I've got
one more question for you always, so yeah, I appreciate that.

(01:38:29):
I appreciate your time. Always do let us hear from you.
Give us a pick or two that I always call this,
and I say the same thing every week. I call
this more of your personal opinion. You get into a
draft and a guy pops up at the top of
the queue and you just can't draft him. You don't,
you're just passing on him. Or on the other side,

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you're reaching a little bit for somebody, name a guy
or two on either side of the coin there that
you're liking or fading.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Right now, let's start with the voids, because we'll go
negative depositive and leave people on a happy note. I'm
avoiding Rashad White at cost. He's been an inefficient runner
each of his first two seasons in the league. We
love the situation last year because of the volume that
was coming his way that obviously paid off.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
But I think there's at least.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
A chance that Bucky Irving is a better running back
than Rashad White is, And when you combine that with
a twelve round gap in ADP, that just makes it
easy for me to bet on Bucky Irving as opposed
to Rashad White where he's going, because I don't think
I'm going to miss out on something huge this season.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
With Rashad White.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Similar to lad mcconki, a lot of people seem to
think that there's absolutely no way that he cannot deliver
or he's going to be this dominant number one target
for the Chargers. He was never a dominant target in college.
He wasn't his team's lead receiver in college. And you
can say, yeah, well he played with Brock Bauers, the
best tight end ever. Well, guess what if you don't
stand out as the best pass catcher on your college team,

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regardless of who that teammate is, it lowers the chances
that you're then going to go to an even better
level of football and immediately be the best pass catcher
on that team. Now, I know you look around and say,
who else is gonna be? Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnson, It
doesn't matter. He's landed with a run first team that's
probably not gonna be an exciting passing game to begin with,

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and there's just not room there, I don't think for
a dominant target share I think if he does play
a whole bunch in the slot, like they're kind of
projecting from his usage there, that creates two issues. Number One,
shorter routes means he needs targets even more because he's
not gonna get deep. He's not going to be an
efficient scorer. Number Two, that's not an offense. It looks

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like it's gonna play a lot of three wide receiver sets.
So McConkie's got to be both inside and outside if
he's gonna stay on the field enough to pay off
from where he's going. The last bit with him is
to take him in drafts right now. I've got to
take him over DeAndre Hopkins, Jordan Addison, Christian Watson, Deontay Johnson,
Jackson Smith, and Jigbo.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
And I'm just not willing to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
So I'm out on lad McConkie, and I'm not worried
about that blowing up in my face, all right, positive.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Yeah, that's awesome, And because I've been saying the same
thing about McConkey, but yeah, let me hear your let
me hear positives. Finish us off on a high note here, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
I've got a couple of wide receivers that I'm drafting
a lot in Best Ball and that I will continue
putting on my lineup setting teams. And the first is
Deontay Johnson, who in twenty twenty one finished wide receiver
eight in PPR. That was with final season Ben Roethlisberger
at thirty nine years old as his quarterback. Deontay Johnson
led his team in targets per game all five seasons

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in Pittsburgh. He has now been acquired by a team
that needs him to do similar stuff. He's still got
weak target competition. You could look in general at a
team drafting a wide receiver in the first round and think, oh, oh,
that could be an issue for the guy they just
traded for. When that wide receiver is Xavier Lagett, that
lowers the chances of that guy being a first year
challenge to Deontay Johnson's target share. Just last season, we

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saw a bad Panther team support a wide receiver seventeen
PPR finish for a thirty three year old Adam Feelin
and for two thirds of the year, Felan was performing
even better than that. He was a wide receiver one
through that portion of the season before they made the
coaching change. Deontay Johnson's a younger, better version of Adam Feelin.
Bryce Young almost has to play better this year than

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he did last year. And the head coach Dave Kanalis,
who joins the team this year, the past two years
oversaw Baker Mayfield's renaissance and Gino Smith coming out of nowhere.
So I'm gonna go ahead and bet on that when
Deontay Johnson's coming to me in wide receiver four range.
We talked about it earlier with Tony Pollard. It's kind
of that there's absolutely no downside. If my wide receiver

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four doesn't work out, oh well, and if he has
the displayed upside to be a wide receiver one, great,
I'll take a shot. Marvin Mims is the other guy,
and he's the biggest thing working in his favor is
he is going absurdly late. The market looks at him
and thinks he's dead after last year for whatever reason,
even though his coach has still been publicly saying it

(01:43:03):
was my fault last year. I should have played Marvin
Mims more. And you know, at some point we have
to stop listening to coaches if.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
They keep saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
But I think people are overplaying for themselves. How much
we've actually heard that from Sean Payton. This is a
second year wide receiver in a situation that has changed
a lot versus last year. Jerry Judy is gone from
this team, so that immediately steps up the available opportunity
for Marvin Mims ahead of his coach saying I gotta
get this guy the ball more. The other impediment that

(01:43:33):
the market is seeing is Troy Franklin, who played with
bow Nicks in college. We're talking about a fourth round
rookie going ahead of a second round wide receiver from
last year in ADP for redraft leagues right now, that
just doesn't make logical sense to me. I don't care
where Franklin played. Maybe Troy Franklin is better than Marvin

(01:43:53):
Mims this year, But for the market to say going
into the season that that guy picked in the fourth
is a better bet than last year's second round pick
for the same team, who is, by the way, the
first pick of that draft in the first year of
Sean Payton, it's just illogical. I'll take Marvin Mems in
every single draft because there is zero downside and there

(01:44:15):
is a chance that he leads that team in targets.
I'm not betting on I'm not saying he's gonna beat
Courtland Sutton, but it's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
All right. Well, this is why they pay you the
big box, Matt. I love those breakdowns of your favorite
players and favorite fades right now, and the offenses certainly
give me some good confirmation bias. I always like that
as well. Well, Matt, you've done a fantastic job. I
appreciate having you again. That's why you're here for a
fourth summer of the show. Four summers of the Show.

(01:44:44):
Four conversations with Matt shawf from Draft Sharks dot Com.
Thank you so much for being here, man.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yeah, man, we're going from Olympics to Olympics. I'm happy
to come back for fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, however many
seasons we do it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
On heck, yeah, you bet. You always bring it and
I appreciate all your insights. So folks go find Matt
on Twitter at shof ds that's sca u f DS,
and then don't forget to find his award winning Draft
Sharks podcast as well. He does a fantastic job there
over there with Jared Smola on that show, so go

(01:45:18):
check out his work and support him for supporting the
Auction Brief. Thanks again, Matt, and that'll do it for
Another discussion is with Drew well ian lyon Matt knows
what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
We're heading into training camp. We've got some thoughts on
some situations that we are looking to dissect this season.
We're gonna get even more answers over the next few
weeks as training camps drag on. But I know that
Matt really knows what he's doing and I love having
him on every summer. I believe Matt's been on every
single summer of the Auction Brief so far, so he
is four for four, just like some of my other

(01:46:00):
some of my other guests this summer. So anyway, nice job,
Matt shaww Thank you so much everybody for tuning in
for this episode. Folks. We only got four episodes left,
but don't go anywhere. There are four of my favorite
episodes of the summer.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Hell, they're all my favorite, but they're gonna be great.
Mike right, Brian Drake, Bob Harris, and my Auction Manifesto
are coming up in the next four episodes. Don't go anywhere.
You're gonna learn so much this summer, and I hope
you've already learned so much, because I feel like we've
crushed it to this date. I feel like things are
really going well and the feedback I'm getting is fantastic

(01:46:36):
so far. I know you're all freaking out about the
Listener League, folks. I don't have that done yet. Don't
worry about it. We're not drafting until late August. We've
got plenty of time. The Listener League will be happening.
Don't you worry about it. I'm gonna get you folks
at information very soon. In the meantime, don't forget FJA
fantasy draft boards. Use my promo code Auction one zero

(01:46:57):
or Auction Brief one zero to get ten percent and
off your draft boards the best in the business. Don't
forget my four dollars a month Patreon network the Fantasy
Football Lawyer. You're gonna love all the auction content and
everything that you can learn there that you can get
nowhere else, Baby, nowhere else. Oh goodness, did he just
call me baby? Well? I don't think that's very appropriate, now,

(01:47:19):
is it, Paula, Knock it off. It's time to go, folks,
we are done for another episode or the auction Brief.
It really makes me sad to sign off every week
because I know the end is marching closer. But I
have plans for the season and some episodes as we
go throughout the year. We're gonna be a little bit
better at getting some episodes out through the season because
I know you all enjoy it and I enjoy it too.

(01:47:42):
It's one of my favorite things I do every single week.
Probably my favorite piece of content I push every week
is the auction brief episodes. I don't make any money
on them. In fact, I make almost zero, and it
just tells you that I love it and that I
love doing it. So thank you all for being here,
every one of you, all of your support, all the

(01:48:02):
kind words. Even if I don't get to your comments
or your dms, I'm stretch, really thin. I know you
understand that, but I just want you to know how
much I appreciate you and I appreciate your support. I
wo wouldn't still be doing this show if the numbers
weren't still growing. The sky is the limit and I
love being here and I love all of you. Thank
you so much for everything that you do for me

(01:48:24):
and the auction space in the fantasy football community. Yay auctions.
Let's go baby. That's another episode of The Auction Brief.
Thank you so much for joining me, and thank you
to Matt Shoff of Draft Sharks. The Auction Brief is
adjourned and I am out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
The Auction Brief is adjourned. That'll do it for this
week's episode. See you next time on The Auction Brief.

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