Guest J.J. Zachariason; Drew's 7 Fantasy Football Commandments

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Welcome to the Auction Brief. They'reto join in these games or not.
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analyst and auction draft expert here tohelp you dominate your fantasy drafts. Your
host, Drew Davenport. There arefull hearts play football. Hey, everybody,
welcome into the Auction Brief. Asthe lady said, I am your
host, Drew Davenport, your fantasyfootball lawyer, and thank you so much

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for joining me for episode three ofseason four of the Auction Brief. Still
blows me away that we're in seasonfour, but we are picking up steam
as the month of June rolls on. We're now into the time of year
where my job gets a little moredifficult, unfortunately, and I'm chuckling,
but not really because it's funny,but because we're heading into the dead time

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is the time of year when playersget in trouble. That's just how it
goes. They have some downtime betweenOTAs and training camp, and that's when
you really cross your fingers and hopethat they're staying out of trouble. But
more than likely, I'm going tohave a little bit of business to deal
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new case, whatever the case maybe. Make sure you're the Patreon network.
You're gonna get the most up todate information with me there. But
thank you so much for joining methis week. We have another great show,
and I'm going to stay away fromthat word that I love for the
most part. I al will saidit, but we have another great show
this week. And I've been justkind of blown away by the reception of

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the first two episodes. And Idon't know why, but everybody's loving the
first two episodes, and man,that really makes me feel good. The
numbers that we're pulling right now arereally high for this time of year,
because the numbers tend to creep upover the summer, and then of course
people go back and they listen toprevious episodes and those numbers get a little
bit bigger. But right now we'repulling some pretty good numbers. And I'm

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just like I said, I'm justa little bit surprised that people love the
first two episodes so much. Idon't know why, because I think they
are good episodes, don't get mewrong, but I just I've heard more
good feedback for these particular episodes andI've probably ever heard in the history of
the show. So that's awesome andI love that, and we got to

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keep that rolling, and I thinkwe're gonna do that this week. On
discussions with Drew. This week,we've got JJ zachar Reason, the late
round quarterback himself. We talked tohim for quite a long time, almost
an hour we talk with JJ zacherReason. So I Am not going to
spend a lot of time on apoker story or any other introduction about philosophy
or life or anything. We're gonnaget right into it this week. I

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have my seven Fantasy Football commandments andI've also got jj zach Reason. It's
going to be a jam pack show. We don't need to spend any time
doing any of the throat clearing ortelling you what we're going to talk about.
Let's just get right into it becauseit is a great show and I
think you're gonna love it. Myseven Fantasy Football commandments followed by almost an

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hour long conversation with j J ZachReason. Some might even say it's a
fantastic interview, and I gotta say, everybody's been asking me, where's the
FWM, folks, It's here here. I gotta try to talk like I'm
like I'm fat, like ware inmy fat wet mouth. Ah, this

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is gross. This has gone offthe rails early this week, but I
gotta be honest. At the endof episode two last week, I'm starting
to really feel it, feel thevoices bursting out of me. It's time
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learn a ton We're gonna have alot of fun. It's gonna be a
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Let's get to it. Well.At times it feels as though I
spend a little bit too much timelooking back at twenty twenty three and not
enough time looking forward. But again, you're here because you like my style

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and because you think that you canlearn something from what we're doing. So
my seven Fantasy Football commandments aren't necessarilygoing to be just about twenty twenty three.
It's really blending what I learned intwenty twenty three into less for twenty
twenty four that we can use inour drafts and our fantasy leagues moving forward.
These aren't just draft specific, they'rehow we play the game better.

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And one of the things that meand JJ talk about this week that I
think you're gonna find interesting is thathe's really into the game theory of how
we play fantasy football. And youcan find his draft guide that talks about
game theory and how we're going toattack this thing that we love. I
don't think we can underestimate how excitedI am to look at that stuff and

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look at the game theory behind fantasyfootball. Check out JJ's work for that.
But I'm blending a little bit ofwhat I learned last year, a
little bit about what I learned inthe past couple of years, and what
I believe is the success to fantasyfootball to bring you these seven pillars of
fantasy football success. And I callthem my seven Fantasy Football Commandments. I

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mean, you know, after all, I called myself Jesus last week,
I might as well just up theinning and call myself God this week.
I'm just gonna hand down the commandmentsthou shalt follow my commandments. Okay,
oh, sorry, but no,these are really The reason I call them

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the seven Fantasy Football Commandments is becauseI believe they're immutable laws of fantasy football
that we need to be following.And I know a couple of them are
going to be a little controversial,and you're gonna say, is that really
a law? Bra? Is thatreally a law? Brah? Come on,
Bra, I can just hear youscreaming at your your radio, bra.
Is that really a law? Brah? Oh Man, we're on a

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bender tonight. Okay, but no, I really believe that these seven things
are the reason I call my sevenFantasy Football commandments is because I believe that
they are immutable truths about the gamewe play, and we need to pay
attention to them. More So,let's talk about how we succeed at fantasy
football from a baseline person effective,from a foundational perspective. What are the

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seven things I want you to payattention to to get better at fantasy football?
Number one, my first fantasy footballcommandment, thou shall consider red flags
to be hurdles and not barriers.Okay, so number one is thou shall

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consider red flags to be hurdles andnot barriers. And what do I mean
by that? Well, I thinkyou probably get it from the original statement,
but let me expand upon it alittle bit, because I believe that
you can probably go down the draftboard of every single draft prospect. I'm

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not talking about NFL draft. I'mtalking about fantasy draft. You could go
down the draft board and pick afight with every single guy on your board.
You could come up with the reasonswhy that player can fail. And
it goes back to something that Ideal with in my job every day.
When you have a trial your client, my client must be proven to be

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guilty beyond a reasonable doubt at atrial. The term reasonable doubt is an
interesting one because a lot of peoplelike to say, Okay, well he
wasn't guilty because what if he haddone this, and what if he had
done that, and that means hedidn't do it. Well, those what
ifs are just silly, outlandish whatifs. What if an alien landed at

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the park and took off in mycar and it wasn't really me drunk driving.
That's not a reasonable doubt, right, And I face that sometimes with
jury's who really think And it's goodfor me, but they really have a
weird idea about what reasonable doubt is. And when we're talking about red flags,

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you can go down your draft boardand put up red flags for just
about a but are they reasonable redflags is the first thing you have to
think. But the more important thingin the overarching point of my first commandment
is that just because a player hasred flags doesn't mean they should be taken
off your draft board completely. Andit doesn't mean that those red flags are

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not able to be overcome. Andthat's why I say the first commandment is
red flags are hurdles, not barriers. What's the difference between a hurdle and
a barrier. A hurdle is somethingyou jump over. It causes you to
have to adjust what you're doing toget over it, to get past it.
It's something you must take into account, but it is not something insurmountable,

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and sometimes it's not even something exceedinglydifficult to get over, but it
is a hurdle. A barrier isvery much something that prevents you from success.
It is, of course also notimpossible, But for the most part,
when we think of a barrier,we think of something that stops us,
something that you can't get over oraround it is a barrier to success.

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It's really important to distinguish between barriersand hurdles. And I know that
sounds a little bit simplistic, butthat's why I started with it as number
one because when you're doing your draftpreparation, I know that I have this
problem that I'm sure you do too, is that it's really easy to tell
yourself a narrative about every player andyou can get in this negative track where

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you think every player has all thesered flags, But ask yourself, number
one is the red flag that muchof a red flag? And number two
is it a hurdle that this personcan overcome or is it a barrier to
success? And a real simple examplewould be, Okay, well I like
this running back, but I thinkhe's going to get a lot of touches,
but it's going to be a reallybad offense. Well, can that

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running back be an RB one?Possibly? But that feels more like a
barrier unless like a hurdle, becausebeing a good running back and a bad
offense is very difficult to have alot of fantasy success. So that's just
a simple example, but a reallife example that I would point to was
none other than Puka Nakua last year. There are a lot of variables for

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success with a rookie period, andwe're going to get to that a little
bit later in the show. ButPooka had all kinds of red flags.
He had fifth round draft capital.That's a huge hurdle to overcome when you're
trying to have success. He's gotCooper Cup ahead of him, who is
an absolute target hog and someone whowent healthy commands a lot of attention from

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his quarterback. Speaking of his quarterback, he's got Matt Stafford, who has
had some health issues over his careerand had struggled with some health issues the
previous season. And he's also cominginto a pretty complex offense. A Sean
McVay offense is pretty difficult, andwe're going to reference that here in just
a minute. But those are allred flags that Puka had to overcome in

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order to be a successful fantasy player. That doesn't mean that he couldn't do
it. These were not barriers forPuka Nakua having success. They were red
flag hurdles. There were things hehad to overcome. And the most salient
point here that I can possibly makeis this the reason that we're going to
talk about the rookies in a littlewhile, and their chances of success is

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that there are more red flags.And when you have more red flags,
or you have more hurdles to overcome, it becomes that much harder. Each
hurdle that you add becomes harder.And that doesn't mean it's impossible, and
that doesn't mean you should ignore theplayer. It simply means you have to
determine is it a hurdle or isit a barrier? And that is your

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first thing that you have to figureout with every single player that you're evaluating
when you go into a draft,and specifically in an auction, because in
a snake draft, a lot oftimes you're not going to have access to
a large part of the pool,the player pool, and that means that
you're really not going to have toparse the difference between a lot of the
players. But in an auction,you're absolutely going to have to have that

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information down pat and you're going tohave to have it cold before you walk
in there because things are flying toofast and moving too fast feed to be
looking stuff up or figuring out onthe fly what you think about a certain
player. Commandment number one, thoushall consider red flags to be hurdles and
not barriers, And it is yourjob to figure out is that red flag

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a hurdle or is it a barrierto this player's success. That's going to
be a threshold issue that you needto figure out with every single player before
you go into a draft. AllRight, Number two flows from number one,
And this is something that I've beenkind of sitting on for a couple
of years, but something that Ireally think that everyone needs to think about.

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Commandment number two of my seven Fantasyfootball commandments is thou shalt never ignore
historical performances. Okay, great,Drew, that's a that sounds pretty pretty
obvious. Bro, Thanks Bro,I mean, brah, what are you
talking about? Bro? That's prettyobvious. Broh Yikes, Okay, here

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we go. Thou shall never ignorehistorical performances. What am I talking about?
What we're talking about? One?Pooka Nakua again, he came out
in his first game and put upten catches for one hundred and nineteen yards.
I believe he had fifteen targets somethinglike that, and it reminded me

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of a performance that we got quitea few years ago. Maybe two thousand
and six of and Kwan Bolden andBolden came out in his first game and
caught ten passes for two hundred andseventeen yards. And I distinctly remember at
the time thinking to myself, whothe hell zaning clon Bolden? Number one

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and number two? Do I careenough to pick this player up? And
is this player going to be impactfulenough down the road or is this sort
of a flash in the pan kindof thing. And I have to tell
you that is why I'm putting thishistorical spin on this commandment here, because
I think it's important enough that whenwe see it happening in the future,

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we need to know what we're lookingfor. And the Pooka breakout in game
one was something that had all theearmarks of future success. And the reason
for that was all of those hurdlesthat we just talked about in Commandment number
one, those things that Puka hadto overcome. You know, I saw

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something recently that was super interesting andI think that everyone would enjoy this.
I found a TikTok that was itwas just a video of Matthew Stafford in
the huddle talking to his players onoffense and what he had was Sean McVay,
the coach of the Rams, inhis ear, talking about the play

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and how the play was going togo. Sean McVay might be one of
the smartest coaches in the league,if not the smartest coach in the league.
And he is able to talk toMatthew Stafford right up until there's a
certain point on the play clock whenhe gets cut off. But Stafford's in
the huddle, so mcveigh's just allowedto talk. And this the entire TikTok
is. It's fascinating because it's justMcVeigh in Stafford's ear, and Stafford calls

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the play, which is an incrediblycomplex play call in and of itself,
and then he starts complaining about McVeighin his ear. He's like, oh
my gosh, okay, thank you, thank you, And of course McVey
can't hear him, but he's gettingannoyed because he's trying to tell his offense
what to do and McVeigh just won'tshut up about how this is supposed to
look, and he keeps saying,oh my god, he's still going You

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guys wouldn't believe what he's saying inmy ear. Oh my gosh, he's
still going. So mcveigh's just talkingto his ear off about what he's going
to expect in this play. Andit reminds me of another thing that I
saw from Puka and Akua after theseason. He was doing his round of
interviews, I think right around theSuper Bowl. Somebody was talking to him

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about his role in the Sean McVayoffense, and one of the things that
he talked about was how detail orientedthe offense is, and he talked about
his split from the line of scrimmageand what his split was supposed to look
like on certain play calls. Andwhen we talk about a split, what
we mean is where does the widereceiver line up, either in the slot

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or out wide, or where iswhere are they supposed to line up in
relation to the ball and the quarterbackand whatever the case may be. All
that stuff's really important, And whatPuka said was it was really hard for
me to learn all of the detailsof the McVay offense. So not only
you have several illustrations here, youhave Stafford talking about how McVay is in

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his ear and then at the endof the clip, Stafford says, yeah,
you know you're going to be oneand a half times from a full
split out to the side, andI'm like, well, I don't even
know what the hell that means.But Pooka had to learn all that stuff.
Okay, folks, this is afifth round wide receiver coming into the
NFL. Having to learn all thatstuff and having to learn that a quarter
of the yard or a half yardthe correct split from the end of the

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line was so super important to McVeighand how you work the field as the
receiver that we saw from Pooka lastyear from poka Okua and his ability to
learn all that stuff and it overcomeall those hurdles, that's really unusual.
And that's why I call it ahistorical performance. So to come back around

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to the point, you can't ignorethese historical performances because for the most part,
my belief is and this is somethingthat I believe is true, though
we don't have enough evidence because therearen't enough quote unquote historical season to really
compile any sort of evidence. ButI believe that when you see a performance
like gam Kwan Bolden ten for twoseventeen in the first game of his NFL

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career, or you see ten forone to nineteen from Puca Akua and a
Sean McVay offense with a veteran likeMatthew Stafford throwing the ball. You know,
I think people tend to say,oh, cool man, don't ignore
historical performances. But let's not forgetwhat the narrative was around Puca last year.
In one of my leagues, Ipicked him up and in the Week

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two he played San Francisco and Ileft him on the bench. I'm like,
I don't know that I want toplay him against San Francisco. That's
a tough matchup. He's a rookie. He had a nice game of let's
see what he does. He wentout and he ripped up San Francisco too.
So what I'm saying is, don'tforget that the narrative around Puca after
Week one last year was can hedo it? Is this really something he

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can sustain? Should we really puthim in our lineup against San Francisco?
And it was very much like,Hey, how much of your fabs should
you blow? This is all reallyimportant conversations that we have to have.
But I really believe that Commandment numbertwo boils down to something simple. If
you see a historical performance like that. Yes, it's possible that it's an

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outlier and that person's not going todo it again, or that person's not
going to be as good as theyappear to be in that initial game or
whatever they did to break out.Yes, that's all possible, But more
often than not, we simply needto close our eyes and do whatever we
can to get that player on ourteam and don't worry about whether or not

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it was an outlier, and moreoften than not, that performance is going
to point to something bigger. Wecould also point to Devon a Chan as
far as that kind of thing aswell. When he first got a little
bit of run and he got sometouches, he put up fifty Fantasy points,
and what did the guy do.He went in and have one of
the most efficient seasons for a runningback in the history of the NFL.

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Now, of course that's going tocome back to earth and Mike Klay and
I talked about that last week,But you can't ignore that kind of performance,
and a Chan went on to haveseveral more huge performances the rest of
the year, even though he wasn'tPokinakuai like in his consistency, he was
still putting up these monstrous fantasy performances. We cannot afford to ignore historic performances

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simply because we have a doubt aboutthe longevity of the player or the longevity
of that situation for that season.You just have to close your eyes,
turn off your brain, and justland the player on your team. All
right, Well, that is fantasyfootball Commandment number two. Thou shall never
ignore historical performances. Number three sortof flows from number two as well,

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and number one, so that's justhow my brain works. But number three
sort of flows from the first two, and number three is this, thou
shall remember that outliers are part ofwinning at fantasy football. We spend a
ton of time every offseason and everydraft season trying to come to a consensus

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about players and what we think they'regoing to do, and there's always going
to be outliers, and I gottabe honest. Number three is mostly for
me. Okay, I don't careabout you guys. It's about me.
This is about me, man,Seriously, this one is aimed at me

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because, more often than not,the way I play poker, the way
I play fantasy football, I'm alwaysgoing to have the odds on my side,
I'm always going to do things bythe book and by what the math
tells me to do. And that'sa little bit problematic because I really don't
think that you can win consistently atfantasy football unless you're trying to identify some

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outliers here and there. I amtelling you the draft players that you think
can be, but I'm not tellingyou to go do that as a rule,
as something that you're doing all thetime. But you have to get
comfortable with the fact that sometimes outliersare what this game is about. Does
everyone remember Lamar Jackson's TD percentage inhis monstrous MVP season a few years ago.

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I'm talking about last year, buta few years back he had a
ridiculous TD rate that year. Howabout Patrick Mahomes in his fifty touchdown here,
he had like an eight point sixpercent TD rate. The league average
is like four and a half percent. There are going to be outliers,
and unfortunately we are taught and Iteach you this stuff. And so I'm

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saying I'm as guilty as the nextguy or girl, but I'm telling you
that sometimes we spend too much timepooling the outliers and not enough time harnessing
the lightning and taking it for aride. We need to be better at
trying to harness whatever magic is therein the moment, because sometimes that's the
NFL. I'll never forget when Iread Supersystem for the first time. Does

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everyone know what super System is?Doyle Brunson wrote what was at the time
considered to be the bible of nolimit hold him cash games. He wrote
this massive book about how you playcash games. Supersystem was groundbreaking stuff and
I'll never forget when I read it, and I read this particular part where

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Doyle said, I usually will playthe pot after I win a pot,
because you can't get on a rushunless you play the next pot. And
I instantly I read that and Ithought, well, that's the dumbest crap
I've ever heard. That is dumbas hell, because every hand is its
own self contained set of probabilities.But Doyle had a point that I've really

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had to try to internalize over theyears, and that is the statistics and
future probabilities. Sometimes you just can'texplain when you're going to go on a
rush. Sometimes you just can't explainit. And sometimes you're going to go
on that rush, and if you'renot there for the rush, you'll never
hit it. And if you don'tever go for the outliers and you don't

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ever care about the outliers, you'renot going to do a lot of winning
because the teams that win are theteams that harness that magic and ride it.
Think about Kyron Williams last year,and it's a player that we're going
to talk a lot about today andJJ and I are going to talk about
it in discussions Withdrew. But KienWilliams was a guy that I kept hearing

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all here last year. Sell KyroenWilliams. Sell Kyron Williams. He can't
keep doing what he's doing. He'sgot unsustainable this and metrics that and whatever,
you know. And I went tomy subscribers on patroon and I said,
I think we're just a little bittoo jaded in this community about where
we get our fantasy points from.Hold on to Kyron Williams. You know

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what if he never plays another downwhen he heard his and I said,
if he never plays another down,he's already won a lot of titles for
people, because he's won a bunchof games. To get you into the
fantasy playoffs. Already at that pointin the season when he got hurt,
people were constantly saying, he's goingto come after Earth, He's going to
come back to Earth. No,sometimes they don't. Sometimes they don't.

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Eight point six percent touchdown rate forPatrick Mahomes, whatever it was for Lamar
Jackson, I'd have to go backand look, it's not that important.
You understand the point. Outliers arepart of winning at fantasy football. Do
you think the people who drafted cdeeLamb last year thought they were getting what
they got out of cde Lamb?Heck no, I drafted him in my

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main league, my main home leaguethat I won. I took Lamb and
just thought, Okay, he's gota chance to be a top five receiver
and he's going to be cheaper thanthese other guys. That's what I'm going
to do. It was an outlier. It's absolutely an outliers, especially vis
a vis his career numbers. ButI won the league, you know,
and same thing with Brece Hall.I won the league because of the outlier.

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Now I'm not telling you, I'mnot sitting here telling you chase these
outliers. No, No, notat all. But sometimes there are unexplainable
performances that are happening right in frontof our eyes, and we've gotten so
picky about those fantasy points and howwe're getting them that we tend to just
blow it off and say, oh, no, this is an outlier.

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This isn't going to continue. Sometimesit is, and sometimes the magic is
there and we just shrug it offor we try to blow it off.
We need to harness the lightning.We need to harness the magic and ride
it for all it's worth, becausea large part of winning at fantasy football
is harnessing those outliers and being onthem when they happen. All right,

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that is number three. My thirdcommandment is thou shall remember that outliers are
a huge part of winning at fantasyfootball. Number four, thou shalt treat
running backs as the NFL does.Volume is king at the running back position.
I can't stress this enough, butfantasy football commandment number four thou shalt

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treat running backs as the NFL does. The volume is what's going to be
key for fantasy performances. For theNFL is waking up to the fact that
running backs are not super important tothe success of their offense, and as
a result, we're getting a tonof fantasy running backs that are viable starters

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that are not expensive in drafts.We can talk about Alvin Kamara last year,
Raking Moster, Traves etn Rashad White, James Connor. If you'd drafted
any of those guys, you wouldhave been loving your wide receiver Excuse me,
you would have been loving your runningback corps when you got six seven

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weeks into the season. We didn'thave to spend a ton of draft capital
and fantasy drafts to get those guys. And I really believe that that that's
the way of the future of fantasyfootball. And I've talked about it before
about how people are running back arewide receiver crazy and should we be shifting
to a more running back centric approachto offset the wide receiver craze. And

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my conclusion is no, we shouldn'tthat. Unfortunately, we have to ride
this wave a little bit and wehave to lean into the wide receiver heavy
approach, and we need to treatthese running backs as though NFL teams,
as though we're an NFL team.We need to treat them as though they
don't have the same value as theother positions in fantasy football. That's just

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a fact. You could have gotso much production from some of these mid
round running backs last year. Ifyou go back and look at the top
twelve to fifteen players at the positionyou predicted, almost none of those guys
in the top fifteen. I'm tellingyou go take a look at your top
fifteen running backs from last year.I don't want to be labored. The
point you understand what I'm saying.Most of them were not important pieces of

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a draft plan last year, especiallyin auctions, but even in snakes when
you took a guy like Saquon Barkley. I will say this, one of
my favorite home leagues. We onlyhave to start one running back, and
I went in with the plan thatI'm going to get just one running back
that I love and then a coupleother randos and then pour all my money

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into pass catchers. I selected SaquonBarkley. That was not great for my
team last year. In fact,it was a major reason why that team
failed to produce last year. I'mnot saying that there aren't running back of
course, Christian McCaffrey was awesome,but I'm not saying that there aren't players
that are going to do it.I'm saying that more often than not,

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we don't have to spend the topend money or the high draft pick on
those type of players. We're goingto treat them like the NFL does,
and we're going to find that it'sa positive expected value move. All right.
That is my fourth Fantasy football commandment, thou shalt treat running backs as
the NFL does. Number five.Number five is my favorite number five.

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It might also be your least favorite. Number five. Is this thou shalt
not invest too heavily in rookies.Yes, folks were back for another summer
of bashing rookies for redraft purposes.Okay, I'm not bashing it. Yes
I am, now, yes Iam. I do believe they have value.

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But what I'm telling you is,don't be going out there and ripping
off seventh round picks for rookies.Take some chances at the end of your
draft and grab some rookies. Thereare ways to succeed with rookie players in
redraft, But I guarantee you ninetyfive percent of the people who love drafting

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rookies in redraft are not getting thispoint. They're not understanding the limited use
that rookies have in fantasy football forredraft purposes. I've said it before and
I'll say it again. I don'tbelieve that this is controversial, although it
will be seen as a hot take, Rookies in redraft fantasy football can be

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completely ignored and it is positive.Ev it is positive expected value over the
long term of your fantasy football career. If you simply cross every rookie off
of your list and draft only playersthat are in their second year or later
in the NFL, that's true.That's one hundred percent true. There is

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no doubt about it. And here'show I know this. Here's how I
know this. Look back at thefinishes from last year for what players finished
at what spot. And my advicewith rookies has always been twofold Number one.
It's much easier for running backs toproduce in year one. So if

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you're gonna go after rookies, runningbacks your first and mainly only position.
But if you're also if you're insistenton going after the rookies and they're not
running backs, make sure that you'redrafting the frosting and not the cake.
So I made the analogy last summerabout how my kids, for some reason,

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they don't like cake. I don'tget it. But if you give
them a piece of cake, they'regoing to scrape the frosting off the top
and eat it and leave the cake. That's what I want you to do
when you're drafting rookies. I wantyou to draft the frosting and not the
cake. And it's hard to figureout what the frosting is every year because

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nobody was predicting Pookin and Akula ordevon A Chan as the frosting. Now
I know there's a lot of guysout there who are going to crow about.
Well, I talked about Pooka andAkula, but those kind of guys
they talk about every player, SoI don't believe that anybody out there was
predicting those two. We're going tohave unbelievable historic seasons. Same thing with
Sam Laporta. Yes, people weresaying they could be successful. But I

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want you to think about it likethis, because I can hear your brain's
already thinking, well, what's thepoint. Because there were a couple guys
that had huge years. Number one, I'd point out that those huge years
were historic. And again, ifyou're relying on historic production from your rookies.
You're doing it wrong because that's waytoo difficult to capture that lighting in

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a bottle. Even though I justtalked about, yes, sometimes we need
to capture it, but we capturethat after we see it happening. That
It is not a good practice tobe drafting fifth round rookie wide receivers playing
behind target hog wide receivers like CooperCup. That's not smart to be drafting
pukin a coula all the time.I'm sorry to tell you, yes,

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he had a good year, butif you think you're going to capture that
magic again in the next five,seven, ten years, you're not.
I mean, I'm talking about anexample from Ankwan Boldmen in two thousand and
six. It's twenty twenty four people. Eighteen years ago we talked about a
guy who came out and blew upin his first NFL game. That's an
that's that's just an insane outlier.And I know it just told you the

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outliers are part of winning, butyou're trying to harness that when you see
the outlier coming down the tracks.And what I'm telling you is, don't
pooh pooh, the outlier when yousee it coming, say hey, maybe
I can harness this, But youcan't see that in drafts. I promise
you you can't see that in drafts. That's not something that you can predict.
Yes, you could say, oh, well, I knew our Chand
was a great prospect. Okay,great, but what did we see from

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my Chand? We saw that he'sall the problems and the red flags that
he had were still there. It'sjust that he had insane efficiency. I'm
not going to break down all therookies like I did last year. If
you want to go back and findmy rookie episode from last year, it's
pretty good because I went through allof the splits, like how did these
guys perform over the first half ofthe season, how they perform over the

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second half of the season. Andone of the things that I came to
the conclusion of was that if youcan see them starting to perform early in
the year, you can snatch themup off the wire and put a premium
on them as far as production goesfor the second half of the season.
But when we talk about hurdles versusbarriers, we have to understand that the

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hurdles for rookies are significantly more difficultto overcome because they're rookies. And a
lot of people say, oh,well, this guy would have been good,
but he got hurt. Well that'spart of the problem. That's part
of the point. If you knowa guy that's a veteran that's got a
strong track record of staying on thefield, that's what we have. We
have the strong track record. Wedon't have that with the rookie. And

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that's the entire point, is thatall these hurdles that you make excuses for
with these rookies, well, hewould have done this, but this happened.
Yeah, I know, that's thepoint. That's the entire point.
You are dismissing my point for saying, oh, no, well but if
if this, Yeah, the butif is the point. Okay, So

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don't forget that. And I'm notdoing a comprehensive study year of rookies because
I frankly I did it last yearand it was super eye opening. But
I want you to just hear acouple numbers, Okay, how many quarterbacks
finished in the top twelve. OneCJ. Shroud and he was not a
top eight guy, not a topeight. Quarterback Anthony Richardson could have finished

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there, but again he got hurt. And goes back to the point that
you got to be able to stayon the field, and rookies struggle to
figure out how to keep their bodiesright and stay on the field in the
NFL, and if they never figureit out, they watch out. We
don't know if that what's gonna happenwith Anthony Richardson, but he's being pushed
way up draft boards. Again.I know he's not a rookie anymore,
but you understand my point there.At running back, we had three guys

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in the top twenty four. Wehad our chand this is points per game,
by the way, and actually weonly have three in the time thirty
six. We had a Chan atfive and Gibbs, Jamior Gibbs at seven,
and then Bjon Robinson at RB nineteen. Now, again, when I
talked about Bjon Robinson last summer,I got told over and over that Bjon's

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price was reasonable. And I'm notsaying that I knew that Arthur Smith was
going to mess around with the runningback rotation. I didn't. What I'm
saying about rookies can be applied tothe Bjon Robinson situation very simply. We
knew that Robinson was being drafted athis ceiling. He had to get a
certain amount of goal on touches andreceptions and have a certain amount of production

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for a rookie. That is reallyhard to do. He finished at RB
nineteen, and you're investing a reallyhigh draft pick or a lot of CAP
dollars on a guy that finished asa low end RB two. Now,
Achan and Gibbs, they were greatin points per game. They missed a
little bit of time. But again, we've got three running backs in the
top thirty six, and like Isaid, running backs perform a little bit

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easier. It's a little bit easierfor the transition. In the NFL.
At wide receiver, we had PukaNuku at wide receiver seven, Tank Dell
at wide receiver fifteen he didn't finishthe season, Jayden Reid at wide receiver
twenty six, Zay Flowers at widereceiver thirty two, Jordan Addison at wide
receiver thirty four. So we hadone top twelve guy, one guy another

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guy that finished in the top twentyfour, So really we only had two
guys that finished in the top twentyfour for wide receiver points per game,
and one of them, Tank Dell, did not finish the season. He
got hurt. Jaden Reid was largelysomebody that you couldn't count on for most
of the year. He made alot of hay near the end of the
year. Zay Flowers and Jordan Addisonthe same thing. They were just spotty

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from time to time, and againpeople will say, well, they were
rookies. I know, but that'sthe point. You learn consistency, you
learn how to earn targets, youlearn the game as you go along.
It is hard to come out ofthe gate and be consistent producer. So
we only had two wide receivers inthe top twenty four, and one of
them didn't finish the year. Andat tight end we had Sam Laporta who

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finished third in points per game,Trade McBride finished ninth, and Dalton Kinkaid
finished fourteenth. And the overall pointabout all this like, look at all
these all these guys that I talkedabout. Now go back and make a
list of all the rookies that everyonetalked about all last summer. And I'm

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gonna be honest with you, Ididn't even bother to do it, and
I love that because that's part ofthe point. Part of the point is
I've already forgotten about a bunch ofthose rookies that people were so excited about
and we're talking about so much lastsummer. You got to have this guy
in the last couple of rounds ofthe best Ball. I don't even remember
who that guy is anymore. Wehave a significant problem with the paradigm in

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the fantasy football community around redraft viaability for rookies, and nobody talks about
it enough. And I'm going tocontinue to bang the drum that there are
so many players that don't work outthat even when you draft a guy who's
a nice player who finishes as RBnineteen or wide receiver twenty six, that's

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not necessarily a difference maker number oneand number two. There are plenty of
veterans who are being drafted in thesame area as those players who have a
better chance at performing or who finishhigher because they're just in general a better
fantasy prospect. So people get soexcited about rookies every year. And I'm

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going to get off my soapbox here. My fifth fantasy football commandment is thou
shalt not invest too heavily in rookies. There are situations you can do it.
Running backs I prefer more than otherpositions. Some of the guys are
frosting. Marvin Harrison Junior, He'sobviously the frosting. I believe that Duns,

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and I believe that Melik Neighbors.These are all guys that have frosting
potential. But when we talk abouta guy like Malik Neighbors, I think
we're doing the same thing that wedo all the time, which is we're
glossing over the major red flags thatI believe are probably barriers versus hurdles for

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Milik Neighbors. He's got a reallylimited offense, a limited quarterback, He's
got a situation that might find itvery difficult for him to succeed. And
if he can churn out seven hundredyards and six touchdowns, that's a pretty
successful rookie season. It's also apretty crappy fantasy wide receiver. So even
if he has a quote unquote successfulyear, you need it to happen at

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those certain right times when you clickstart on that player, and I guarantee
you for the price that Malik Neighborsis going to command in auctions or snake
drafts, you can find a veteranwho has a much higher chance of success
near him than trying to gather tryingto capture lightning in a bottle with a
player like that. All right,we are getting near the end my time

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here before we get to discussions withDrew. But it's the timing's working out
perfect. I wanted to go rightabout an hour a little bit less,
and that's where we are. SoNumber five, thou shall not invest too
heavily in rookies. Number six,thou shalt treat the waiver wire like a
job search. This is one thatI have talked about before, but it

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may be a couple years since I'vetalked about it, and I don't think
I really did a long monologue aboutit. But this one is really important.
This is part of the game theorythat I talk about all the time
and how we win. I believethat the waiver wire is like a job
search for two reasons. Number One, when you are looking for a job,
what do you do. You sendout a bunch of resumes. Right

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you find places that you think youwant to work, you send out the
resumes and you hope for the callback, whatever the case may be. But
you send out way more resumes thancalls that you get back about a job
that you might want. So there'stwo things that play there. Number one
is does the job fit what youwant? And are you the candidate that

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they want? So it's a numbersgame for those two to match up,
for you to find the perfect job, and for that employer to find you
as the perfect candidate. That's anumbers thing. There are a lot of
people that are applying for these jobs, and you must keep churning and just
keep getting resumes out there, andeventually you're going to find a place that

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you want to work, and eventuallythey're going to want to hire you,
and you're going to find a fit. But before that time, you might
send out dozens of resumes or I'vehad people talk about they've sent out hundreds
before they found the job that theywanted. So how is that like the
waiver wire? Well, let memake my second point and we'll come back

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to it. Number one is anumbers game. You can just got to
keep churning, keep sending out resumesand you'll find the right match. And
number two is it's like a jobsearch because your needs are going to change
as you're looking for that job.So sometimes you're going to be looking for
a job because you need to makemore money. Sometimes you're going to be
looking for a job because you wantto switch industries or you want to make

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a move up. Sometimes you're lookingfor a job because you want to be
able to spend more time at home, you want to have more free time,
you want a less stressful job.Whatever the case may be, that's
going to change. Your needs willchange, and the job that I was
looking for at age twenty nine whenI lost my job after I'm sorry,
not twenty nine, aged twenty holycow, twenty six, when I was

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out, fresh out of law schooland working for a private firm, and
I thought about what I want todo with my future. The ideas that
I had about what job I wantedthen are vastly different than the ideas about
what I want out of a jobnow. That's the same thing in a
fantasy season. Let me tell aquick story about that last year I needed

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tight ends. I drafted a couplecrappy tight ends, and I think I
jumped on zach Ertz early and tradeMcBride because I was watching that situation develop,
but I was playing the wire allyear long in a couple of my
leagues for a tight end, andI eventually ended up with Trade McBride and
several of them, and that workedout great. But the point is,

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my needs changed on a weekly basisabout what I wanted to add to my
team, and in one of myleagues, Dalton Kincaid was on the wire.
Because it's a shallow it's a tenteamer. Dalton Kincaid was on the
wire when Dawson Knox got hurt andI had the chance to have Kincaid.
In fact, I added him tomy team and then I ended up dropping
him for someone else a little bitlater. And the only reason I did

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that was because the player that Ipicked up with somebody that I thought had
long term potential to produce when Ineeded him later in the season. I
dropped Dalton came because I talked tomy buddy Jim Coventry, who's an excellent
analyst, and I said, justbecause Dawson Knox goes down, does that
mean they're going to change their offensivephilosophy to give Kincaid more targets, but

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also to change that philosophy when Knoxcomes back, because we knew he was
coming back, and Coventry agreed withme and said that I'm not sure they're
going to change their philosophy. I'mnot sure that Kingaid's going to be that
much better, although he was better, but he said, when Knox comes
back, you're stuck with the sameproblem. So I just quickly dumped Kinkaid

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back on the wire. He gotpicked up by someone else. He was
hot for a little while, butthen when Knox came back, he was
the same player that we had seenbefore. The point is that my needs
were different than those who might needa short term solution at tight end.
I did not need a short termsolution. I had Drey McBride. I

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felt great about him, but Ialso knew that I wanted to have it
back and I wanted to have aplan for the playoffs. So I needed
somebody that I thought would be thereat the end producing for me at the
end, and that wasn't Dalton Kincaid. My needs were different. My needs
change based on what I need inthat league. My team was good.

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I was already set for the playoffs, but in another league, maybe Kinkaid
would have been the guy that gotme to the playoffs. So you need
to be constantly figuring out what yourneeds are at that current time, and
it may change week to week.You may pick up a player and think
this is what I need now,and then you lose two running backs in
the middle of the week and yousay, all right, well, I

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got to drop my third tight end. I was speculating on my third tight
end. Now I got to dropthat guy because I lost two running backs
this week and I got to pickup a running back that changes every week.
Treat the waiver wire like a jobsearch in two respects. Number one,
always be assessing what your needs are. But number two, and most

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importantly, treat it like a number. And the reason I say it's a
numbers game is because we're not goingto be right a lot of the time.
When we pick players up, wetend to forget when we look back
at the season, we think,oh, this pick up or that pickup
that was easy, that was easy, this was not. You forget how
difficult these situations are. Week toweek, you more than likely have a

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limited roster in most every one ofyour leagues. It is hard to make
those decisions when you pick a playerup, or who you're going to drop,
who you're going to hold on to, who you're going to try to
hold on to through a suspension oran injury. And the reason I make
the analogy to the resume thing isbecause you're eventually going to hit on the
right player. And now, maybethat's not going to happen in order for

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you to win enough games to makethe playoffs. But more often than not,
you should not be shy about churningyour roster, about continuing to try
to make your roster better, andabout continuing to try to assess what you
need on a weekly basis. Forthose moves, there's no problem. There's
no shame in picking up a playerand two days later dropping them before a

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game's even been played and picking someoneelse up. I know people probably laugh
at me in my leagues, andI just don't care. I make a
lot of moves, and sometimes I'mgonna think something and two days later,
I'm gonna think that I was wrongand I'm gonna change. It's a numbers
game. Play the numbers game.There's no shame in spending time churning your

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roster until you have the right combinationof players on your team. All right,
that's my sixth fantasy football commandment,thou shalt treat the way we wire
like a job search. And numberseven, we're gonna wrap it up right
here. My most impactful point.I think the rookie thing is my favorite
point, but my most impactful pointmy seventh fantasy football commandment, thou shall

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remember that there is a difference betweengood and great. Okay, well,
what does that mean? Thou shaltremember there is a difference between good and
great. And this is a perfecttime for me to clarify some comments I
made last week. I'm talking tomy buddy Mike. Shout out to my
buddy Mike, who is the guywho gets to hear all these things.

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I bounce all these things off ofhim. Ideas he gets to hear me
whine talk about my show. Healways gives me feedback, so he is
absolutely my right hand man when itcomes to anything content creation. So again,
shout out to Mike. But wewere having a conversation about my comments
last week about the scattershot approach andabout how I love the scattershot approach,

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and he said one thing that youmight want to mention and He's absolutely right,
and that is I need to mentionthat we cannot draft an entire scattershot
team. Okay, there is aspecific moment that you need to use the
scattershot approach for and specific positions reallymore than anything. It works well with

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quarterbacks, or it works well withsay late tight ends or tight ends with
upside that are volatile, and specificallyit works well with running backs. But
you Number one, you can't doit for every position because there just aren't
enough roster spots. If there were, we would just draft a bunch of
different players and which everyone's hit great, you know, because of course we'd

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have Pukinaku and Devon a Chan onour team if roster spots were unlimited.
But they aren't. They're limited,so we can't use the scattershot approach for
the whole roster. Number one.Number two, I don't think it works
very well in certain situations. Youhave to have high end players. And
that was Mike's whole point stressing tothe audience that just because we use scattershot

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doesn't mean we want we don't wanthigh end players somewhere on the roster.
So it's really important that we mixthe approach. Okay, so when I
say number seven is thou shall rememberthere is a difference between good and great.
You can have a good roster witha scattershot approach on the whole roster.
You can have a good roster witha bunch of wide receiver twos and

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RB twos and QB five and youcan come out of a draft and think
that and have a very good roster. But in order to enact some of
the other commandments that I've talked abouthere, in order to embrace the outliers,
the historical performances, the correct rookies, in order to get all of

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that and put it all together fora fantasy monster, for a championship team
that's going to rip people apart,that's going to be a great team,
you must pay attention to all sevenfantasy football commandments. You have to put
all of this together to be great. You can be good, and frankly,

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I don't think it's hard to begood. There is a big difference
between good and great. And youare listening to the au brief because you
believe that there is a difference betweengood and great. You may not have
articulated that in your brain, butI'm putting it in your brain right now.
You want to be going for great, and the only way that we

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can go for great is embracing theseother six commandments and understanding that the perfect
mix that mixing your slider with yourfastball, with your change up with your
cutter. It's all about mixing upyour pitches and making sure that great is
the goal and not just surviving,not just good. You can win a

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title with a good team, butit takes a lot of luck. It
takes a lot of circumstances that aregoing to lead you to win. You're
going to win way more titles withgreat teams that fall short because of some
other shortcoming or some problem because youshot for the stars, you tried to
harness the lightning and it didn't work. But going to win more titles with

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that attitude and with that approach,because the outliers, the lightning, the
magic, the historical performances, theway that we treat rookies, the way
that we handle the waiver wire,all that stuff, and when you search
for the right combination when you're inyour drafts this year, I hope you

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remember Commandment number seven. There isa big difference between good and great and
for you auction brief listeners, we'realways striving for great. All right,
thank you so much for listening tothat. I know that that was a
lot, but hey, we don'tmess around here, man, We don't
mess around. Brauh. We arehere talking about this stuff because I don't

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think enough people are out there talkingabout the game theory and about how we
win at fantasy football. And that'swhy I love my seven Fantasy Football commandments.
We're getting smarter about how we playthis game every minute that we talk
about this stuff and that we letour brains think about it. Just the
thought process itself is already going tohelp you as you head into your twenty

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twenty four season. All right,that's my seven Fantasy football commandments. What
do you say? We talked toJJ zacharieson the late Round Quarterback. He's
gonna make you smarter. Fantastic discussion. I've run my FWM. I've run
my fat wet mouth long enough.It's a fantastic FWM kind of day.

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Enjoy discussions with Drew and JJ Zacharyson. Time for discussions with Drew, in
depth conversations with the brightest minds inthe fantasy industry. Welcome into this week's
discussions with Drew. Our guests thisweek is somebody that you probably know,
mister JJ Zacharyeson, otherwise known asthe Late Round Quarterback, although I'm sure

(57:53):
at this point maybe you want tobe known just as JJ, but hey,
it is what brought you on myradar, I know, five or
six years ago. And JJ beatton himself a couple off seasons ago and
is now running Lateround dot com.He also has the Late Round Fantasy Football

(58:14):
podcast as well as to Live theStream podcast doing great work over there.
We're going to talk about that alittle bit, but thank you for coming
on the show. Welcome. Yeah, man, I appreciate you having me,
And like you said, I'm definitelyyou know, I've detached myself from
the whole Late Round quarterback strategy nowthat things have shifted, I still think
it's viable. It's just back inlike twenty fourteen. I mean I launched

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the ebook in twenty twelve. Itwas just the obvious thing to do,
you know, back then. Nowthings have shifted and changed a little bit
because of these unicorn quarterbacks that wehave understood. I can understand how that
can get in the life of itsown, but it's also been something that's
been really good for you and yourbrand and you know, making your your
footprints. So, as I mentioned, you started the website and started to

(58:59):
go out on your You've got somereally cool stuff over there. You've got
the Prospect Guide, You've got theRookie Guide. This is something you've really
leaned into with putting out your ownstuff here. Prospect evaluation. Is that
something that that's always been an importantpart of it for you, or is
this something you discovered in the lastfew years, like, hey, this
is something I really want to beinvolved in. Yeah, you know,

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I definitely started whenever I was doingwhenever I started content and stuff back in
like twenty eleven twenty twelve time frame, I was definitely more just a redraft
analysts and such. And then youknow, I'd say around twenty seventeen,
you know, like five or soyears in, I realized that number one,
I was playing Dynasty. I enjoyedDynasty, but number two, you
know, I thought that I shouldcreate something and some tools that could help

(59:45):
me be better at evaluating prospects becauseat the time I was kind of just
throwing darts and reading what other peoplehad to say, and I thought to
myself, why not try to comeup with a system that can help me.
And I'd say that until about twentytwo that process was kind of all
over the place on my end,like I was just kind of testing things,
trying to figure stuff out, andthen finally I created a model that

(01:00:07):
I felt pretty good about. Itcoincided a little bit with when I left
FANDUL and went out on my ownwith late Round Fantasy Football, and so
I started creating the Prospect Guide whereI would use the model that I've created
and sort of break down all therunning backs and wide receivers from each draft
class. I also do have ayear two model, which looks at you
know, softmores in the NFL,so second year NFL players, and tries

(01:00:29):
to predict how well they're going toperform in year two and year three of
their NFL career. And you know, every every off season I sort of
try to enhance it because you know, I think of new things, new
ideas, but also there's better dataand more accessible data every year that's out
there, so you know that thatmodel at running back and wide receiver has

(01:00:50):
sort of taken on a life ofits own. It's now probably like the
third iteration, but it's called theZap model, the Zacharieson adjusted prospect model.
Very creative, and you know,I'm really just trying to solve the
game, but I'm not much ofa black and white thinker with this stuff,
so it's more so just guiding usto get to a better answer than
where we were before. That's excellent, man, And it takes a lot

(01:01:14):
of courage to go out on yourown and do that and bet on yourself.
But it seems like you're having alot of success with it, and
for good reason. Your show actuallyis something like I said, maybe someone
across four or five years ago,probably right before I got hired at Football
Guys, And of course it's unique. And if anybody who's listened to your
show, they know I guess themost important question here is where'd you find

(01:01:36):
the air horns? And how manyquestions do you get about the air horns
specifically? Yeah, I get Iget a lot of questions about the air
horns. There are people out there, though, who hate the air horns,
and it's just so embedded in sortof like the branding of that show
and what you know, it's justthey're so random and out of place that
I need to just stick with theair horns. They're going to be there
forever. But the intro of thatshow I actually got from some dude on

(01:01:59):
Fiver like years and years like wheneverI started the show, I think back
in twenty seventeen, and I addedthe air horns because I wanted the air
horns to be part of it,because I just wanted to wake people up
and get them, get them setand ready to consume some like hard hitting
content because like you said, youknow, the show is not necessarily a
Now I'm doing more conversation based onesbecause I'm doing like late round perspectives in

(01:02:21):
that feed. I'm doing becoming abest Ball bro as I go in this
journey of Max entering Best ball Maniathis year. But the solo shows that
I do, which do comprise themajority of the of the episodes within the
feed, you know, it's ahard it's a fast, quick hitting,
you know, twenty minute type showwhere I'm just kind of I always tell
people I'm just brand vomiting on them, where you know, I have these

(01:02:43):
thoughts that I've researched and looked at, and I want to let people know
what those thoughts are. And soyou know that the air horns are there
to just sort of get people ontrack and get their mind ready for for
twenty minutes of fantasy football content.I understand. I understand. I had
a comment last summer about some stuffthat I do on my show that's really
just me. I thought to myself, the guy has a point about what
he's saying about me. At thesame time, it's me, and it's

(01:03:06):
just going to stay. So yeah, probably leaning into it even more.
And I get that, but you'reright. You know, your format is
such that it almost feels like,okay, here we go, like we
got to be ready because you dothrow a lot at us and your format
is different. And again, forpeople who haven't listened, go give the
pod a try here because it's definitelysomething that we don't have out there,

(01:03:28):
and it's designed to be shorter,but it's also designed to just really get
at it quick, no fluff,no messing around. Know, Hey,
I went to the lake this weekend, and you know there's none of that.
We're on it right when we getin there. What made you what
was inspiring to you about wanting todo your pod that way. Yeah,
you know, I think it's twothings. One is when you look at

(01:03:49):
the fantasy space and look, Ihave it with Living the Stream and even
the other shows in the feed nowwhere I'm doing late round perspectives and chatting
with people, and I'm doing Becominga Best Ball bro which is more conversation
based. If you look at thespace general, it's a lot of like
hour long shows where people are goingback and forth talking about fantasy football.
They're nothing wrong with that, it'sjust that it's harder to differentiate just strictly
based on that, right. Soone easy way to sort of differentiate the

(01:04:11):
show was to say, I'm gonnado a solo show, maybe bring on
guests every once in a while,and make it very quick, hitting to
the point, and instead of youknow, talking about you know, specific
players to target or like going throughlike divisional breakdowns or something like that,
the idea was, I'm going toreally take these like micro topics and dive
into them, almost like a Tedtalk where you know, I would I

(01:04:34):
have done shows on handcuffing, runningbacks. I've done shows, you know,
I did one last week on thepocket passer trap where you know,
early round pocket passers are generally notthe best bets in fantasy football, and
this is the reason why. SoI'm just taking these very micro topics and
making them into standalone shows as opposedto taking more of the macro approach and

(01:04:56):
going through a lot of different items, you know, and spending you know,
an hour, hour and a halfon them. Well, it's certainly
been successful, and it was somethingthat drew me into the show when I
started listening, sure, and it'sundeniably a sort of groundbreaking idea to do
it that way. So congrats onthat, and everyone needs to check out

(01:05:16):
Lateround dot Com. Check out hisprospect guide, his Rookie Guide, his
shows. You're gonna get smarter ifyou if you consume his content. But
I think the most important question isare you going back to Canton? Oh?
Yeah, I will. I willbe in Canon. I finally am
no longer a fantasy football expo virginI was able to attend last year,

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We met each other, able tomeet up so many people in the space.
But I will one hundred percent beback in Canton this year for sure.
And King's Classic King's Classic once again, Yes, Yes, that's a
great league, and it's fun.Guys. It's not not only a fun
room, but really really tough formatto do. Fourteen teams with your three
flag, you know, your tenseposition players, no kicker, no d

(01:06:02):
It's a fun format. So it'llkick your butt if you're not on it,
like it did to me last year. But let's get into some content.
But before we get there, justmake sure everyone can find you.
And is there anything you're working onright now that you want to put out
there and tell people you're excited about. Yeah, you know. The Late
Round Draft Guide drops on July first. That's more of a strategic, you

(01:06:25):
know, game theory driven guide.I'd say eighty percent of it is sort
of game theory. Twenty percent islike players' target players of avoid that kind
of stuff. But I do alot of work with like ADP trends and
looking at what the market's been doing, you know, over the last decade
or so, and sort of pinpointingplayers, you know, based on how
the market behaves in different you know, trends and we'll talk about it throughout

(01:06:46):
the show, I'm sure, butdifferent trends that you can look at based
on ADP based on the market thatcan help you sort of nail your picks
throughout your draft. So a lotof game theory, a lot of like
economic type talk. It's not thatthat nerdy. I'm talking just like supplying
demand and like opportunity costs, youknow, very basic economic stuff. And
then eventually I get to the playersat target and avoid that. Probably the

(01:07:09):
majority of people are buying the guidefor and want to check out the guide
for, but I enjoy the gametheory components so much. I think there's
a lot to uncover on that side. Well, I think we have something
in common there because I constantly whineon my show about how there aren't enough
analysts out there really attacking how weplay the game, and they're just out
there saying stuff about, well,draft this player if he falls too late,

(01:07:31):
when really we can gain a lotof an edge over our league mates
who aren't doing that kind of stuffif we are paying attention to the game
theory. So that sounds right upmy alley. I'm going to have to
check that out. So July first, check out the Late Round Draft guid
and you can find out on thewebsite. Yeah, it's all on lateround
dot com. Lateround dot Com.Okay, well, enough of the fun

(01:07:54):
stuff. Let's get into the hardcorereason that, of course that you are
here is is I just love topick at the toughest situations that I find
myself facing, and I'm really transparentabout that when I have people on my
show. It's fun for me becauseI like to pick the brains of the
smart people in the industry who arelooking at this stuff every day. Because

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I look at some of these situationsand think that I have an opinion on
it, and then that changes thirtyseven times before my drafts. So I
like to get your take on it, and I'm guessing that other people out
there are thinking the same stuff.So let's dive into the Las Vegas backfield
right out of the gate. Iknow it's not the biggest banger of a
topic, but I think it's importantbecause we've got Zamir White here, who

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was an absolute monster at the endof the season with his carry totals.
He wasn't super involved in the passinggame, but of course he was the
guy that they leaned on. Nowthey've got some continuity there with Antonio Pierce,
but his redraft ADP is putting himstill near the bottom of RB two
territory and we've sort of got therookie kind of you over his shoulder,

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or what do we think about isit Lowby? Is that how you've heard
it pronounced Dylan Dylan Lowby. Yeah, that's what I've heard too. I
just wanted to make sure. Butyeah, so what do we think about
Lowby's role with White and how muchhe's going to cut into White's workload or
how confident are we feeling about ZamirWhite in general? Yeah, you know,

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I think that with White overall mystances' I'm scared, I'm nervous,
you know, I think that,you know, based on some of the
ADP trends that I've researched and lookedat, things don't look very favorably for
Zamir White. When we're talking aboutlike top twenty four, top thirty running
backs. One thing that does seemto correlate to success in the in the

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current year that we're analyzing is prospectscore and prospect score based on my model.
You know, you can look atdraft capital and still see similar correlations.
But you know, if if arunning back is being drafted relatively early
and he has a prospect score that'shorror. Even if he's in his third,
fourth, fifth year, that prospectscore does correlate to success, like

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we want better prospects and better players. I think a lot of that has
to do with the fact at runningback, because there's not this correlation at
wide receiver, but at running back, you know, they have such short
shelf lives, so you know they'regoing to be in year two or year
three or year four when we're talkingearly rounds, and there's going to be
naturally a stronger correlation to prospects scorebecause they're still in the early parts of
their career. Now. Samir WhiteDay three, guy, you know,

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wasn't much of a pass catcher incollege, split a backfield in college.
He didn't have the strongest prospect scorein the world. So that's strike one
with him. And then the otherthing that's really interesting with some of these
AP trends is this is something I'vetried to talk about a lot over the
last five or so years. Butwhen we're sort of in this like you
know, top twenty four range orlike like RB two range low end RB
two sort of the running back deadzone area into the middle rounds, we

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actually want to embrace ambiguity a lotmore than not embrace ambiguity. And so
I call these ambiguous backfields and bbiguousbackfields. I'm really referring to running backs
were being drafted in these middle roundswho have either a teammate running back also
being drafted in the middle rounds withthem, or maybe a teammate running back
that's like an RB two. Soyou generally want to avoid a running back

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who has an RB one teammate who'sgetting drafted in the middle rounds because that
RB one teammate. Obviously, agood example of this is like Nick Chubb
versus Kareem Hunt for years, youknow, in Cleveland, where Chubb was
getting drafted early, Kareem Hunt wasa middle round back. Kareem Hunt was
never He's one of the success storiesof a middle roundback who had an RB
one teammate, but he was neverlike this true league winning player, like

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he needed absolutely needing an injury tohappen to Nick Chubb to really come through.
Whereas a lot of these ambiguous backfieldsmore ambiguous ones. You know,
think about the Tampa Bay backfield froma few years ago when they had Leonard
Fournette and Ronald Jones, and everyone'slike, oh, I don't know which
running back to pick. Well,one of those guys might end up emerging
out of that backfield. And ifthat back does emerge, he's likely in

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a pretty good situation because two runningbacks are being drafted in the middle rounds
together, and that tells you thatthe market is saying, this situation is
probably pretty good because we have tworunning backs that are being drafted in the
top thirty, top thirty five atthe position. But the only reason they're
being drafted where they're being drafted isbecause we don't know who the running back
is that's gonna get the bulk ofthe work, the bulk of the carries
in that backfield, or the mostwork in that backfield. Now to Zamir

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White, you can look at hissituation and say he's the RB one on
the Raiders. We know that,Like from an ADP standpoint and how we're
projecting things. You know, yougot Alexander Madison there, you have Dylan
Lobby there. But from an eightyP perspective, the gap between Zamir White
and the rest of his position onhis team is large, right, that's
actually kind of a problem too,because what that's telling us. And I

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always whenever I find these trends,I'm always like, why would this be
the case? Like why would thismatter? With Samir White? He's a
he's a middle round running back maybeearly to early to middle round running back
who doesn't have a teammate being draftednear him. That tells us that the
market knows he's an RB one,the market knows that he's his team's top
running back, but he's still beingdrafted. Why isn't he getting drafted earlier?

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Well, his situation probably isn't verygood number one, or the talent
isn't quite there, and we wanttalent, you know, at every position,
and so that's another sort of markon him. And this is why
the running back dead zone kind ofexists too, is because you get these
running backs who project to see alot of work, but the talent profile
might not be there to the samedegree that we see, you know,

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rookie running backs or second year runningbacks within that dead zone. Like if
you're talking RB twos in fantasy football, the RB twos who are rookies have
generally been just as good as lowend RB ones historically in terms of hit
rate because there's just more ambiguity.But they're very talented, good players.
We don't know that was Demir Whiteright now, and I know that I'm

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talking and going all over the placehere, but the bottom line is the
talent profile is at least questionable rightnow. With White, we know that
he wasn't this massively you know,great prospect, and right now he's sort
of being boosted by projected volume.And you know he's not a pass catcher
either, at least he hasn't proventhat to your point. You know,
whenever you introduce the question, youknow, Dylan Louby, he's a pass

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catcher at the very least, likethat's what he does. And that's why
a team would be attracted to draftinghim and why why the Raiders likely did
draft him. He has the bestbest season reception share in my prospects database,
my prospect database which dates back totwenty eleven, better than a Christian
McCaffrey, better than a Rashad White. I mean, he he had a
really good receiving profile. Now grantedit wasn't that the biggest program in the

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world, but they could utilize himin that way, and that could easily
cap Zamir White's ceiling to making ZamirWhite more of just an early down back,
and then the question should be,well, then why are you drafting
Zamir White when you can just getGus Edwards rounds later? You know,
a player who also is an earlydown back also is in maybe a questionable

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I would argue that a better environmentthan Vegas, but let's just say questionable
one who's not going to catch alot of passes. So that's sort of
the way that I'm viewing White rightnow. I think overall, there's just
a lot of red flags, andthere are a lot of decent enough backs
sort of in that range that I'dopt for those over White. Yeah,
And I think that your point aboutthe just the environment in general is something

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that sometimes we talk about how ourcommunity is just so we're in a bubble
and then there's this group thing goingon. But sometimes the crowd is good
at sussing out these situations, andWhite appears to be one of them.
Also, I've heard senior work onambiguous backfields and agree with that as well.

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So excellent breakdown there of the Vegassituation. We have another kind of
messy one that I don't know howmuch we should care about this backfield.
But the Patriots backfield is something thatI've largely been ignoring for the most part.
And Ramondre Stevenson, as much aswe loved the volume that he had
a couple of years ago, sortof feels like we're still stuck on all

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the stuff that he did a coupleof years ago was great. But last
year, even in the times whenhe got the opportunities through the air,
he didn't really do a whole lotwith him. He gets hurt in week
thirteen, I believe, but throughweek twelve he was only RB twenty four
and PPR points per game, noteven having that great of a season,
was having trouble fending off Ezekiel Elliottfor we all know what commentary that provides

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for us. But now they've gotAntonio Gibson there, and yet Stevenson is
still going right around according to footballGuys ADP. But this is a moving
target, but right around RB twentysomething like that low end RB two as
well. What are you thinking aboutthat backfield, and particularly what about Stevenson's
price right now? Yeah, I'mkind of surprised you know, I've done
a lot of work with rookie quarterbacksas well and how they sort of impact

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their team environments and the pass catchersand the running backs and their teams.
There is a general drop in productionversus where those players get drafted. So
this is just versus ADP expectation.It's not even just overall numbers. Overall
numbers, you know, running backsand wide receivers definitely do worse with rookie
quarterbacks. But what that tells meis that the market generally has not adjusted

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for rookie quarterbacks in the past orhistorically enough, right, and so chances
are we're gonna see Drake May asquarterback. You know, I know that
people tell stories this time of yearabout veterans, veteran quarterbacks starting over the
rookie quarterbacks, whether we're talking aboutthe guys in Minnesota, whether we're talking
about what's going on in New England. But generally we see and obviously things

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can go either way, but generallywe see rookies. The rookie quarterbacks start
a lot earlier than what's expected inJune and in July, So I would
still expect Drake May to play themajority of the season, play a lot
of the season for New England thisyear, and that's not good for Stevenson,
you know. I you know,the offense itself more than likely not

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gonna be very strong. There's acorrelation between running backs success and team success,
which is not that surprising. Andthen also you know, he's another
like like Samir White, poorer prospect. He wasn't like a bad prospect versus
expectation, but overall, you know, a Day three running back versus a
guy who gets drafted in round one. Let's say he's a poorer prospect than
that round one guy just in general. And so that's somewhat of a red

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flag for Stevenson. But also,you know, I have fear that Stevenson's
gotten away and gotten his his fantasyproduction historically through receiving right and through these
like dump offs, and he's gettingthese like really cheap I remember watching I
think a Jets game in a primetimegame, and Stevenson had like four PPR
points going into the final drive.He finished with like fourteen because he got

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like six dump offs during that finaldrive, right, Like that was not
an uncommon thing to see with RomandreStevenson, and my fear now is that
not you know, Ezekiel Elliot's nolonger in the picture, but Antonio Gibson
is. And I would argue stronglythat Gibson is number one, just a
better all around at least more youknow, higher ceiling, more upside type

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back than Zeke, but also atthe very least's a good receiver. He's
seen a nine and a half percenttarget share per game rate in every single
season he's been in the NFL.That nine and a half percent number was
his rookie season. So every yearsince his rookie year he's been over that
ten percent mark, which is notnothing right. And so if they use
and deploy Gibson the way that he'sbeen deployed historically, and you know,

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remember when Gibson was entering the league, like a lot of those Memphis backs,
you know, he did a lotthrough the air as a receiver.
That's that's where he can thrive andwhere he can be good. And so
I do worry that Stevenson just hasn'tdone enough to separate himself as like a
go to receiver and that they're goingto sort of typecast him to being more
of an early down back and thenif that's the case, why would you

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want an early down back with maybesomewhat of a capped receiving ceiling and an
offense that's supposed to be bad witha rookie quarterback. There's just a lot
working against Stevenson in that scenario.Yeah, and even if the first part
of the season is the veteran playing, you would guess that no matter how
much May plays, it's going tobe near the end of the year,
right would you want to count onStevens two? So I just haven't been

(01:20:01):
able to click the button on himvery much, if at all. So
all right, well, I'm gladto hear that my thoughts are somewhat on
track there. Let's move off runningbacks for a minute here and talk about
the Packers wide receivers because none oftheir price tags are very very high right
now. They're not that bad todraft. But I think that's for a

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reason, right because we don't reallyknow what the's going to happen there.
If Christian Watson's healthy, we allknow how good he is, and
I've seen several people talking on Twitterabout his end zone targets, which I
had not woken up to yet.This summer. But right now, Jayden
Reid is these again are football guysADP that you know it's going to shift
a lot, and these are updatedevery couple of days, so it might

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be a little bit off by thetime somebody hears this. But Jayden Reid
right about wide receiver thirty four,Christian Watson right around wide receiver forty,
Remo Dobbs around wide receiver fifty four, and then D'antavian Wis down at wide
receiver sixty seven. Obviously none ofthose are very high price tags, but
I don't know how to sort outthat that wide receiver corps, and it

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certainly just has the feel of thattype of situation where you're never going to
know when to click the start buttonon these guys each week, unless,
of course, we get Watson healthyand he shows the game breaking ability that
we kind of want to be there. But you know, reads reads in
that spot where I could see himbeing a productive fantasy wide receiver. But

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I just don't know what to makeof the four of them. And I
feel like all four of them canbe productive, but which one is it
going to be? How are youfeeling about that? Yeah, I think
that that's a valid feeling, andI think that's exactly what you said.
You know, that's why their ADPsare where they are. If we had
a very clear cut situation in aJordan Love offense, given what he showed
during the second half of the season, we know that Matt Lafleur can can

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draw up some offenses and have aneffective offense. If we had a clear
cut picture of like you know,it's Jaden Reid and Christian Watson and no
one else in the offense, thenyou know, those guys would probably be
top twenty five players. A widereceiver, you know, Jayden Reid might
be a top twenty guy. Andso I think it's valid to say that
these guys are being drafted where they'rebeing drafted because of the ambiguity, and

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naturally, anytime there's uncertainty, I'mattacking it. Likes. That's what I
want to lean into from a gametheory perspective, because what we believe entering
the season is rarely what actually happensat the end of the season, right,
And not only that, but injuriescan happen, and also players can
just naturally emerge, right, likewe could see Jayden Reid show up in

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year two and be you know,more of the number one that they didn't
necessarily have last season. I thinkwhat we're seeing right now is sort of
people looking at what happened last yearand assuming that that thing is going to
happen here in twenty twenty four,which with to be open minded, that's
very very possible. In fact,that's probably the most likely outcome of this

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scenario is that it is a littlebit frustrating. We don't know who to
start each week. Draft them inbest ball, don't worry about it in
season long, because you don't wantto have to manage that. But I
do think that we should, youknow, peel back a little bit,
look at these guys peripherals from lastyear and look at their their body works.
And I think that if there's oneplayer of these four, if I
were to like pinpoint one player whocould emerge and maybe be like a special

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talent, I'm probably leaning Jayden Reid. And the reason for that is we
rarely see rookie seasons where the rookiehad a yards perau run rate above two.
That's what Jayden Reid had last year. Now, D'antavian Wicks had that
as well. But the difference isyou're merging you know that that strong yards
per run rate with a more fulltime player than Dan Tavian Wicks was,

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but also the prospect profile and inthe back the backing of that profile that
wix didn't necessarily have. There's justmore volatility to a profile like Wixes,
Whereas you know, Reid comes outsecond round pick. I really liked him
as a prospect, showed up lastyear he can touch the ball in a
lot of different ways. Uh.You know, they used them like a
sort of like a debo mine,like a like a diet debo role in

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a way in that in that GreenBay offense. I could see that continuing
this year to get some of thosecheap touches. And really at the end
of the day, you know,in that area of the draft again,
looking at historical ADP when you canfind wide receivers in the middle rounds who
had that yards perout run rate ashigh as Jayden Reid had their smashes,
They've done very very well historically throughthe years. And so I'm gonna I'm

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gonna pinpoint Reid as the guy whoI think has a chance to emerge and
be that every week starter. Ofcourse, Christian Watson, if he can
stay healthy, we know he atleast has the ceiling. You know,
I think there's likely going to stillbe some volatility just given the type of
player that he is. But youknow, he could be a weekly winner
for sure, for your for yourfantasy squad. D'antavian Wicks. I'm still
throwing darts at because again, hehad really really good peripherals last year.

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He's a really underrated player. Nowthis time of year, you get a
lot of hardcore fantasy and uists andsuch, and a lot of analysts are
already steaming up down Tavian Wicks,and you know his ADP is probably gonna
rise a little bit. But evenstill, if it's in that like wide
receiver fifty five plus range, like, I think that you could argue Wix
over Dobbs if you're just if you'rejust trying to to argue the talent ceiling,

(01:25:16):
uh, I think that you couldargue that for Wicks as a second
year player. Dobbs is fine thoughtoo. It's just that, you know,
last year he was a little relianton touchdowns. I know that the
targets and the end zone and stuffwere there for him. But I do
think with more development of these players, with Wix and Reid in particular,
and if Christian Watson's healthy, Dobbscould be the odd man out of the
four. But again, if I'mif I'm betting on one of these guys,

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it is what the market is saying, which is Jaden Reid. I
think that he has an opportunity toreally be a very very good player in
the league. And generally speaking,though, if you want to avoid the
situation, I can understand that justget get pieces in best ball, you
know, like the like there there. This is an offense you want to
generally invest in. You know,it's probably gonna be a pretty good offense.
You know that if all for theseguys involved, they're going to have

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their individual spiked weeks. And it'sfine if you want to pay up for
Reid to get that potential upside ofbeing the best wide receiver on the team,
But it's also fine if you wantto just throw the cheaper dart at
Dontavian Wicks or Romeo Dobbs. Ithink that all of these guys are sort
of unique by different formats. Yeah, I think the best Ball. I've
been grabbing all four of them inbest Ball. I just they're easy clicks

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for me. What I thought wasinteresting was at the beginning of last season
when I was looking into their snapshares, I kept trying to figure out
that that rotation, and it wasjust it was ugly. They're all playing
thirty five percent of the snaps andwhatever. But you know, the guy
that kept rising to the top ofthe snapshare pile was Wis And I kept
saying, I don't know anything aboutthis guy, but yet he's the one

(01:26:42):
playing the snaps. Then I don'tknow whether that's just because he picked it
up quicker or whether they really havethat faith in him as the prospect to
your last point. So yeah,it's a really interesting spot. But I
was upset about the Christian Watson ADPlast summer and I kept saying, what
are we doing here? But rightnow it's exciting because it's like, Okay,
we've seemed him way too high lastyear. Now he's in that spot

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where I want some of that.I feel like I'm going to be upset
four weeks into the season if theguy is healthy and I don't have some
of him in my redraft portfolio.I think I want some of that.
But okay, well let's move on. We're already getting kind of along here,
and I want to be respectful ofyour time, but I want to
hit a couple of players before Ilet you go, because there's some other

(01:27:25):
interesting spots that I think may beinflection points in our drafts, and one
of them is Javonte Williams. Heis really languishing as far as his ADP,
which is Football Guys, has rightaround RB thirty, so he's in
the RB three conversation. And recentlywe've heard the buzz from you know,

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we ever ear to the ground,so we start hearing this Julian McLoughlin stuff
and that, oh is William's goingto get cut? Is? Does this
coaching staff care about Javonte Williams?And people kind of base a lot of
their opinions and ideas off of somebias that they have from watching him play
last year after a devastating knee injurythe previous year. Now he was could
be about to be two years outfrom that. How are you feeling about

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Williams? Do you think he isworthwhile where he's being drafted? But also
do you think he can hold ontoa significant portion of the job there.
Yeah. Look, I think ifthere's one player in that backfield who could
be a bell cow back, it'sJavonte Williams. Like, if they end
up giving the majority of the workto one player, it's gonna be Williams.
You know, you have you haveJaeli McLaughlin there, who I think
is a very very good player.I actually think that mclofflin's not a bad

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target at all right now, either, But I think Williams is not a
bad target at all either. Uhand so so those two players, you
know, Julia McLaughlin good pass catcher, really efficient as a pass catcher last
year. He's just undersize. It'sit's really tough to envision a scenario where,
you know, I think he's gonnabe able to beat ADP where he's
being drafted right now, but Ithink it's gonna be really hard for him

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to be a league winning player,right, Like for Jalil McLaughlin to be
like every week you're putting in yourRB one spot kind of player. I
can envision that with Javonte Williams,right because he was a great prospect,
he's at least shown that he canmanage and carry that kind of workload.
He himself saw a pretty decent targetshare last season. And that's the thing
too, is that this offensive environment, you know, people are going to

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be turned off by it because youknow, you could see another rookie starting,
which is not a great thing.You know, they're they're likely not
going to score, you know,a ton of points. But I'd say
that this is sort of an exceptionto the rule with Sean Payton. One
of the craziest stats that I uncoveredthis offseason was I looked at the top
twenty team running back target share sincetwenty eleven. Right, so I'm just
looking at team target shairs listening thetop twenty out since twenty eleven. Eight

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of the top twenty are from SeanPayton led teams, which is just mind
blowing. He he loved his offensespepper the running back position. This is
not just like a Alvin Kamara skewednumber either. This is this is him
using them when he had you know, duce McAllister, when he or when
he had like a Pierre Thomas ratherlike a Darren Sprolls and those players,
and he's had these running backs usedin and as pass catchers relentlessly through the

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years, and so last year Denverwas number one in the NFL and running
back target share. I'd expect thatto continue with bo Nix, who liked
to throw up, to dump itoff and throw those intermediate routes quite frequently
in college. So I think thatthe fit is actually pretty strong. And
again, if there's one running backin this backfield who could handle a monster

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workload, who could be a bellcowback, it's probably Jamonte Williams because orodric
estimate, you know, coming outhe's a younger prospect, but he's also
not much of a pass catcher,right, and then Jela McLaughlin is a
pass catcher, but he's probably notmuch of an early down guy. So
those two together make a lot ofsense to compliment one another. But Javonte
Williams can kind of do everything.So if I'm going to bet on one
of them, it would be himand his ADP. Like you said RB

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thirty to that RB thirty one,Like why not at that point where there's
a lot of question marks anyway,So this is one of those situations where
you know market trends might not favorhim tremendously, But I think situationally,
it's really there for him to youknow, if the injury didn't didn't happen,
and Williams, let's say, hada little bit better of a season

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last year than he actually had,I feel like he would be a top
twenty running back right like, wewouldn't be questioning that. And it's really
coming down to the fact is howmuch are you going to buy into the
fact that he wasn't as effective,wasn't as efficient last year because of that
injury. And I'm going to buyinto that because you know, doctors and
such, and the team has saidas much that they believe that, you
know, he wasn't as explosive ashe usually is because of that injury,

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and he showed little flashes. Itwasn't as though he was just completely worthless,
which I thought he might be.He showed little flashes. And we
do have to check our biases alittle bit because when you see that,
it has a tendency to subconsciously affectyour opinion about a player when they weren't
really themselves, like Austin Eckler comingback from hinekel Sprain and that kind of

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thing. It just has a itgets it's insidious, and it gets in
your brain a little bit. ButI love the nugget about Peyton's offenses because
I don't know, maybe it wasyou, I don't know who it was
that put out something a couple ofyears ago talking about total PPR points per
backfield just in backfield, and thoseSaints backfields just absolutely oozed points. And
that appears to be the case againin Denver, and I don't know that

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enough people are paying attention. Sogreat nugget there, JJ, I love
that. Let me ask you aboutCincinnati because there's also a little bit of
push and pull here about what peoplethink about who we should be taken in
Cincinnati. I've been on Zach Moss. I really think that he's undervalued right
now because of how these two Ithink they look like complimentary pieces. I

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don't believe that Chase Brown looks likethe guy who's going to come in and
just take over this role as anearly down guy at all. Now.
Maybe that limits a little bit ofMoss's upside, but I feel like he's
a little undervalued. Who do youwant in Cincinnati? Yeah, I think
Moss week to week is going tohave more predictable production, you know,
where he's likely going to see morework on the ground, maybe like a
sixty five percent to thirty five percentshare in the in the backfield on the

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ground. And then I do thinkChase Brown is going to be sort of
their go to receiver out of thebackfield. But in situations like that,
I think that, you know,whenever I say something that people assume it's
this like binary event where Chase Brown'sgoing to see all of the backfield targets
and Zach Moss isn't gonna see any. But I do think Moss could hypothetically,
you know, get into that likeeight to ten percent target share range

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and that could hypothetically be enough ifyou know, he is the goal line
guy in a Cincinnati offense that shouldbe probably a top ten offense in the
league. And so to me,I think both of them are targetable right
now. Like I think, Ithink you could go after either Moss or
Brown. Brown being a second yearback, we always won second year backs.
It's a very good That's the agewhere a lot of these guys end

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up breaking out whenever they're not earlyround, you know, whenever they didn't
show up massively as rookies. Butactually one of the craziest trends and I've
I talked about it a little bitwithin within the Draft guide this year,
but one of the craziest trends Ialso found was year five running backs are
really really strong out of the middlerounds. And the reason for that's Zach

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Moss and the the reason for that, I think is because there's sort of
a survivorship bias going on here whereif you have a middle round running back
who is pat or you know whois in year five, that means he's
gone four years in the league andhe's still kicking, he's still going he's
a middle round back, you know, he's a that RB three type,
and he's still being drafted there,which means, okay, something's going right,

(01:34:31):
like this isn't not not all hopeis lost. But then on top
of that, you sort of havethe the AJPEX with these running backs where
year five is around that like twentyseven years old range where you know,
we see pretty good production from runningbacks, and so it's you know,
it's right before they really start todrop off. So we could see sort
of like a one one year,one hit wonder with Zach Moss, even

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given that market trend as well.But it's funny because second year running backs
do very well too, and thatChase Brown. So I do think that
the backfield situation here is an ambiguousone I'm going to try to gobble up,
you know, if you're in oneleague and one league only, you
know, straight up, I'd preferZach Moss to Chase Brown. But if
you're you know, sort of buildinga portfolio, if you're drafting in Best

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Ball, you know, I thinkthis is a backfield that you want to
embrace and really target and get bothof those guys. Yeah, because I
don't think anybody could sit here andsay that Joe Mixon looks like a world
beater at this point in his career, but he's productive in that offense.
And that's just what's going to happenthere in Cincinnati. If hopefully Joe Burrow
can stay healthy, there's points there, and I don't believe that Chase Brown's

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just going to gobble them all up. I've been a little bit surprised that
people aren't more interested in Moss because, frankly, not many people were foreseeing
what he was going to do inIndianapolis last year with the chance to produce,
and I feel like it's happening again. And I've just been a little
bit surprised because I thought he wouldbe a guy that carried some buzz into
the offseason here with Cincinnati. Sowell, let me talk to you about

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one more sort of general situation here. Then I want to get a couple
takes from maybe some more personal opinionsabout some guys you're looking at. Elite
tight end has also been a topicin the last couple of days on Twitter,
and it spurned this question, spawnedthis question. I believe poor choice
of words there spawned this question aboutwhat do we think about elite tight ends
this year? Because it does seemto be deeper than ever. But I

(01:36:20):
also feel like we've said that forfive straight years and it hasn't been.
But gosh, when you look atthe top of the position, Sam Laporta,
Trey McBride, we've still got theold guard, Mark Andrews, and
Travis Kelcey. Just those four alanseem to have more elite potential than we've
ever had at the position. Butthen you had him guys like Evan Ingram,

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and we've don't Kincaid and Kyle Pittsand George Kittle. I've just named
eight guys right there that have quitea huge ceiling week to week. Is
it your opinion that that's accurate orare we giving a little too much credit
to some of these young guys toevolve into a role like maybe Kincaid or
Pits or is this going to youknow, depress the price to the point

(01:37:03):
where hey, we can just kindof hang out and get one of these
eight guys. What's your thoughts abouta tight end this year? Yeah,
you know, it's funny when youlook at history, it's really been gett
an elite tight end or don't draftone at all, right, like get
get get a and this is youknow, a regular non tight end,
premium type environment where you know,you just get Travis Kelce, get Mark
Andrews in the early rounds or justwait and wait wait. I'm usually one

(01:37:27):
that wait and wait and waits becauseI don't like taking on that opportunity cost
as much, you know, andgetting those guys, because when you get
a Travis Kelce in round one orMark Andrews in round two, that means
you're not getting a really, reallygood running back or wide receiver where hit
rates are very very good at thosepositions. Right. The difference this year
is that these elite tight ends whoyou know, of course they don't project
the same way they've projected in thepast, But these elite tight ends are

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going in round four and in roundfive, and there's there's a different costs
associated in getting them when we knowthe ceilings are probably you know, their
outcomes in terms of range of outcomesare probably not super super far off from
what we've seen in the past.Now do I expect Travis Kelcey from an

(01:38:10):
expectation standpoint to do what he didthree years ago or two years ago or
what have you know, But Ido think it's still possible for Kelsey to
give us that kind of season.Could Trey McBride do that, Yeah,
I mean it's it's in his rangeof outcomes to be able to do that.
Sam Laport is same deal. Youknow, Mark Andrews, who I
think is a really big value.You know, it's it's the same situation
with him where we know the ceilingis there. The big thing is,

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though, is that we have tothink about and we have to accept the
fact that not all of these playersare going to pan out, like not
every single one of these elite tightends is going to give you, you
know, a top three season,a top two season and be you know,
these obvious plug and play guys likesome of them are gonna fall off.
But that's the risk that you shouldbe willing to take because the exact
same argument can be made for runningbacks and wide receivers that you're drafting,

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you know, in that range.And so I think because these players still
profile to have, you know,that upper range of their outcomes to be
really really elite, I'm way moreokay in getting those players this year than
I have than than I have inprevious years. And then on top of
that, there aren't that many lateround tight ends, you know, if
I'm being honest, and this isa little bit more subjective, but you

(01:39:16):
know, there aren't many late roundtight ends that I feel extremely confident in,
right Like I don't, you know, like pat Freyermuth has kind of
been my go to this offseason sofar because I think the stability will be
there, and I you know,we've seen Arthur Smith. I know that
that you know, he didn't useKyle Pitts the way we wanted them to
use Kyle Pitts, but the tightend position in general is pretty heavily utilized
in his offenses. You know,I don't mind Luke Musgrave, you know,

(01:39:40):
in Green Bay as just a sortof dart throw. But you know,
I don't feel as confident in whatwe're seeing this year late as I
did last year. And given thefact that we're also seeing the higher end
tight ends get drafted later, it'sa lot easier to just gobble those guys
up than it has been in yearspast. Yeah, you mentioned Mark Andrews.
I've been all over this, likewhat are we what are we missing

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here? It's not a you know, knee injury. It's not I don't
I don't get it. He's notover the hill that I'm wondering what is
the hold up in the market.And whenever that happens, I always think,
Okay, I'm doing something wrong.It's gotta be me. But yeah,
I've been I've been staring at MarkAndrews every time. And you know,
your point about the late round tightends was interesting because it's something that

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I first woke up to during theeliminators because I was trying, you know,
it's heavy, tight end premium,and I'm thinking, there's got to
be some guys I want to clickthe button on. Late, I just
kept staring at the same group ofguys and I didn't want any of them.
You know, you're Juwan Johnson,Hunter Henry and somebody's gonna shake out
there. But I can't figure itout, and I didn't really want any

(01:40:43):
of them. So that's unusual becauseusually I go into the summer, I'm
like, I want these seven guysin the last two rounds, I got
to pick between them, and rightnow I'm just not that excited about any
of them. So maybe that's justsomething that that will change a little bit
over the summer. But it couldbe just, hey, look, we've
got eight guys here. Get oneof these eight, doesn't matter where you
choose to bite the bullet there inone of these first you know, six

(01:41:06):
seven rounds. But well, it'sinteresting stuff, but let me get you
out of here. We're going aboutforty five minutes here, So I want
to finish up with my favorite questionto ask all my guests, which is
just a little bit more personal.When you're on the clock and you're doing
some of your best ball stuff.Do you have a couple guys that you're
excited about that you keep clicking thebutton like every time he comes up,

(01:41:28):
Yeah, I'm going with this guy. Or on the other side of the
coin, a couple guys that you'refading, that they seem to come up
in your queue and you say,I just can't do it, I can't
quit the button. Yeah, I'llstart with the guys that I'm generally not
into. You know, I talkedabout Zamir White earlier, that one that
I just haven't been able to reallybuy into, and for all the reasons
I talked about earlier. So Iwon't reiterate those, but I'll give you

(01:41:50):
a sort of an early round onebecause people like the early round, you
know, I don't want to giveyou a late round fade. That's that's
that's easy. You know, thoseguys aren't going to pan out anyway,
gotcha. One guy. One guywho I am concerned with is Kien Williams.
You know, I think that hewas very good last year. Uh
hurt It hurts. I think thathe was really good last year and at

(01:42:13):
the beginning of the off season,you know, before the draft happened and
such I didn't think that he wasnecessarily like I thought he was a hold
like in Dynasty and stuff like.It wasn't a situation where I was screaming
sell with with Kyen Williams after whatwe saw his last season. But I
will say from you know, goingback to the market trend stuff that I
love to to analyze. I alsolook at early round running backs and see

(01:42:36):
sort of what are the things thathelp these early round running backs out from
a market standpoint and hurt. Andone of the things is if an early
round running back has a poor prospectscore, it's bad news. You know,
guys, especially in the top twelvewith poor prospect scores doesn't happen very
often, but it is bad news. And Kyen Williams being a Day three
pick not the best prospect scorer inthe world. And then also when in

(01:42:59):
early round running back has a runningback teammate that's being drafted in the top
forty eight, and you can beloose with those parameters. This is the
parameter I use just to be ableto communicate the idea. But when they
have a running back teammate that hasa decent enough ADP, that's also bad
news. And right now. Yougot Blake Koram you know, being drafted
in that RB four range, andthat you know, just intuitively makes sense,

(01:43:21):
right where if a guy is beingdrafted early and he has a teammate
being drafted you know, in thelate rounds, but not like undrafted or
not like the really really late rounds, it's telling you that teammates probably gonna
see some work in his backfoiones.It's not just a straight up handcuff situation,
at least in today's NFL. Maybeten years ago we'd be talking about
Ben Tait and Arian Foster some moreand talking about like the true handcuff situations.

(01:43:45):
This isn't necessarily a true handcuff situationwhere you know, Blake Korum is
only going to be usable with aKien Williams injury. He might just be
usable at times as a flex whathave you, just naturally and in general,
So because of that, I dothink that those trends just going to
Williams volume dropping a little bit yearover year, and it concerns me a
little bit. And the opportunity costis high. You know, it's it's

(01:44:06):
easy, it's not as bad todo in best ball right now, because
the cost to get Kyron is notthat significant. But I guarantee you once
August hits, and you know,you get home leagues and more casual leagues.
Drafting a player like Kyan Willims becausehe's a running back, he's going
to go probably in the one twoturn like he's still gonna go fairly early
in these drafts, and that's justa spot where I'm just not gonna want

(01:44:28):
to take him. Yeah. Iagree there, And there's something to the
Kyrone Williams thing that continues to botherme. He won a couple leagues for
me last year, and I wantto be excited about him, but just
like you said, when it comesto that one two turn area, you
really have to secure him at acertain spot that I don't want to right
now. And I keep coming backto. I think it feels like maybe

(01:44:49):
maybe my big problem is that ithas the feel of like Sean McVay saying,
Okay, well, cam Akers wasn'tdoing what I wanted him to do.
Can't stand this guy, so here'snext guy up. It wasn't really
like, hey, there's this awesomedude that I drafted to be the centerpiece
of my offense. It was just, hey, here's this guy that I
got to use because the other guywasn't working out and coaches don't tend to

(01:45:13):
have a lot of attachment to thatkind of guy. So I've been running
that through my head. I've beenon both sides of the Kayvin Williams things
so far, so I don't knowthat I'll settle it in my own head,
probably before I start drafting. Butwhat about the other side of the
coin with you with some guys thatyou're loving. Yeah, I'll give you
an early round one and then alate round one. The early round ones
is Jalen Wattle. I've been draftinga lot of Wattle this year. I

(01:45:35):
think there's some recency bias going onwith sort of these wide receiver team wide
receiver twos who are being drafted,you know, in wide receiver two range.
So you could say Jaylen Wattle,DeVante Smith. That's another one,
because they kind of underperformed last year, right, Like it wasn't sort of
what we wanted to see from thoseplayers. I think a lot of people
just get scared because when you havea player like that, you're like,

(01:45:57):
oh, well, they're not thenumber one, So they're not going to
see nearly as high target chair.But with Waddle in particular, all of
his per route run numbers were justas they were better actually year over year
from twenty twenty two to twenty twentythree. Didn't have the touchdown equity that
we would have liked to see,but you know that can flip and there's
plenty of variance with that. Andthen also there's the upside they continued to
upside of if Tyreek Hill does gethurt, then Jalen Waddell would probably walk

(01:46:20):
into like a thirty percent target chairin one of the more efficient offenses in
the league. So you know theother thing too, about the whyde the
team wide receiver two thing? Ifyou want to look beyond just twenty twenty
three, which you should, becauseI think that, you know, using
one seasons probably a bad idea todraw conclusions from. If you look at
the last decade and look at ADPwide receiver twos by ADP so wide receiver

(01:46:43):
thirteen to wide receiver twenty four,when they've been their team wide receiver two
versus a team wide receiver one,the team wide receiver twos have actually outperformed
the team wide receiver ones through theyears, so again it could do.
I think a lot of it hasto do with the fact that if a
player like Jalen Waddle, if aplayer like Devonte Smith, if they're being
drafted that early, that's telling usthat there's probably a lot of talent involved

(01:47:06):
in those players, that they're very, very good players, that they're still
being drafted, you know, inthe wide receiver thirteen to twenty four range,
despite having a stud on their team, you know, being drafted earlier.
So we should be leaning into talentonce again. And then obviously there's
the upside, the weekly upside.You know, if aj Brown gets hurt
or if Tyreek Hill gets hurt,you know, then those players in that

(01:47:29):
situation, in that group of games, they'd see a nice target share spike.
And then the guy late that I'mlooking at, I'm kind of surprised
that he goes like I've gotten himin the last round of Best Ball drafts.
But Tyrone Tracy out of Purdue,who you know, is an older
prospect. He played six years ofcollege ball, which is definitely a red
flag, but he played some widereceiver in college and when he transferred to

(01:47:53):
Purdue, that's when he started toplay more running back, and so he
has the pass catching shops you knowfor a running back. What I always
try to do with late round runningbacks in particular because it's easier to do
with running backs, is I lookat a player who might be different than
the other players in that backfield thatthat team has. And to me,

(01:48:13):
Tyrone Tracy is a lot different thanDevin Singletary and Eric Gray. Both Devin
Singletary and Eric Gray had sub ninetyspeed scores, which is way adjusted forty
times, which basically saying that they'renot very quick for their size. Right.
Singletary's fine, he's like a verysolid back. He's probably gonna be
able to meet expectation this year,but I don't know if he's gonna be
like a league winning player. EricGray had some opportunities last year and didn't

(01:48:35):
really come through right, And Idon't think that he was an incredibly special
prospect. Tyrone Tracy good speed scorerslike one oh five ish or so,
like he had that good way toadjusted forty. We know the pass catching
chops are there, so he couldfind the field right away as that change
of pace player. And then whatif he shows up as that change of
pace player, then all of asudden he could see a much bigger workload

(01:48:57):
in the backfield this year than peoplethink. Okay, well, those are
nice picks, because I think it'sthe great Bob Harris who said the players
he loves drafting are the ones whoburned a lot of people the previous year.
And when you talk about Jaylen Wattleand DeVante Smith, I know,
for instance, my brother was heavilyinvested in DeVante Smith last year. I
never heard the end of how muchDeVante Smith stinks. So those are those

(01:49:23):
are guys that end up having againthat collective consciousness sort of drags them down
where they shouldn't be. And certainly, as a guy who had plenty of
Wattle, I know that whenever TyreekHill went out of the game, I
think it was there was a specificgame where he was having the issue with
his hand or his wrist, andit was just Wattle, Wattle, wata

(01:49:43):
wattle all the way down the field. As a guy who rostered Wattle fairly
significantly, it was unbelievable how he'dhave two targets and then Tyreek Kill will
go out for two series and hewould have six targets and two series,
so absolutely, and I I thinkRichariebard was the one who called him arbitrage
plays that I've been stealing that phrasefor the last two summers. Now.

(01:50:04):
Love the arbitrage plays as well,because, as you said, if Brown
or Hill goes out there, unbelievableupside for both of those guys and what
we would call actual league winning upside, even though that phrase is thrown around
a little bit too much. Allright, Well, hey, I got
to get you out of here.This has been fantastic. I really enjoy
the conversation. I could do thisfor three hours, but we hit a

(01:50:26):
lot of good stuff here and gavea lot of actionable information out this week.
Remind everyone again where they can findyou both on Twitter, but also
find your work before I let yougo, Yeah, on Twitter at Late
Round QB and then all the stuffthat I'm offering in my podcast, all
the good stuff over on Lateround dotcom. Okay, well, I know
most of you have a commute that'sright in that sweet spot for the show,

(01:50:49):
so check out. If you haven'tchecked out a show before, check
it out, and you're gonna lovethe fact that you get a lot of
stuff crammed in your ear hole.Sometimes I have to listen to them twice
because there's so much Hey numbers,yes, hey, I try to pick
two different platforms now. But yeah, it's uh, it's it's good and
it's been really fun connecting with you. Great to meet you and Canton.

(01:51:11):
I look forward to doing it again. Come back over to Chris Allen's Airbnb.
Maybe buy into that poker game thisyear. Yeah, maybe we'll see,
We'll see maybe maybe. Okay,all right, that was a lukewarm
response. Well we'll get you,we'll get you. Okay, all right,
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This has been this week's discussions Withdrew. Great job, JJ. As
you know from my intro, thisis a bit of a longer episode,

(01:51:54):
but I get the feeling that peopledon't really care about the length as long
as they're engaged, and I don'tknow how you could be engaged in that
conversation with me, and JJ reallyreally enjoyed that enjoyed getting to meet him
last year and Canton hope to makethat connection again this year. And I
hope to see some of you comeout there and hang out with us,
because we have an absolute blast thatwe can in August. And I hope

(01:52:17):
to see some of you out there, and I hope that you enjoyed this
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you will get an auction brief episode. Next week. We have the Listener
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won the Listener League, one ofthe toughest auction leagues on the planet.
Ryan's going to tell us how wedid it. That's on next week's show.
Thank you so much to our guestJJ zachareson on discussions with Drew.
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subscriber to either the Patreon Network orthe Auction Brief Show, or if you're
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much for the support. I lovedoing this job and I hope that you
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going to do it. For anotherepisode of the Auction Brief. We're only
three episodes in. We got alot of stuff to cover this summer.
I am your fantasy football lawyer,Drew Davenport. The Auction Brief is adjourned,
and I am out. The AuctionBrief is a journ that'll do it
for this week's episode. See younext time on The Auction Brief.

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