Three Big Fantasy Lessons from 2024; Scott Pianowski from Yahoo Sports

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Auction Brief. There's a joy in these
games or not, taking you on a journey through fantasy football,
the law, and life they saw. Your day depends on
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(00:23):
auction draft expert here to help you dominate your fantasy drafts.
Your host, Drew Davenport, there are full hearts. Hey, everybody,
welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said, I'm
your host, Drew Davenport. You're a fantasy football lawyer, and

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I am pumped to be back a little bit of
a speed bump to start the summer. I know a
lot of you follow me on Twitter. Not everybody does,
but I did announce the other night that we were
supposed to start last week, and unfortunately I got the
f I was down all weekend. Really just took me
until basically Monday to feel better and then you know,

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here we are. So we're just starting a week late.
But don't worry. You're going to get plenty of fantasy
content this summer here on the Auction Brief. And I
have to say thank you so much for coming back.
If you're a returning listener, I appreciate that so much.
The show continues to grow. We had a great summer
last summer, and I'm looking forward to an even better

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one this year. I've retooled the show a little bit.
I know, I know, crazy, right. We're going to talk
a little bit about what that means here in just
a second, but nothing wild. I just want to focus
on a few things that maybe we haven't focused on
enough over the past couple of years. And you, guys,
let's face it, you've all heard a lot of the

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things I'm going to say, and if you're a returning listener,
I feel an obligation to rude tool things a little bit.
I hope you like it. I hope you like it
before we get too far into it. Don't forget that.
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so consider that. But hey, look, the Auction Brief is

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really my baby, right, I mean, this is where my
bread is buttered. I'm so pumped for another summer, and
I hope you all are too, because, like I said,
I want to do things a little bit differently. But
for those of you who are new and are saying, hey, look,
here's an auction show, I want to tell everybody who's listening.

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I consider this show to be about a lot of
different things, and auction is just one of them. So
I don't want you to turn on the show and say, oh, well,
I don't do auctions. This is going to help me.
I don't think that's true, because there's a couple of
things I do on this show that are unique that
you really can't find anywhere else. And I know that
a lot of people say that, but I really mean it.

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There are some things that I do on this show
that you can't find anywhere else. So what is that?
And what is the auction brief? Permit me a little
bit of time here to introduce the new people to
what the show is about, and to reintroduce all of
you as to what we're going to be doing this summer,
but also how I've retooled the show just just a
little bit. A good way to start talking about the

(03:57):
auction brief is to say, Hey, that intro that you
just listen to, it's not there for nothing. Okay, I
didn't just put that intro there so that I could
jump into the average separation scores of slot receivers on
a Tuesday afternoon from the thirteen yard line. Okay, I'm

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not your heavy data guy. I love data, but don't
get me wrong. In fact, it's one of my comfort things,
and I sort of wrap around me like, ooh, this
guy scored so many points against that type of defense.
I'm going to start him. But I love data, but
I'm here to tell you that's not necessarily what this
show is about. We're going to rely on some of that.

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But what this show is about is about three to
four different things that I think are really important. A
couple of those you can get in other places, a
couple you can't. The first thing you can't get anywhere
else is the legal updates. I'm always going to drop
the most in depth analysis of the legal situations around
the league here on the show and right now. That
includes Rashie Rice and Jordan Addison. And if you don't

(05:04):
follow me or haven't seen my tiktoks, you may be
a little bit surprised about what I think about Addison
and Rice and whether or not they're going to get suspended.
We're going to hit that at the top of the
show here in just a couple of minutes, so it's
legal updates. Then another thing that I don't think you
can get anywhere else is how much we talk about
beating the game of fantasy football and about game theory here.

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I know there's a lot of elite analysts out there
who can say I knew Puka Nakua was going to
do it, or I knew Jaden Daniels was going to
have a massive year last year. That's all well and good.
There's a ton of those hot take guys out there,
and there's a ton of guys out there where that's
not a hot take. They're actually just really good in

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calling that stuff. Listen to those people. I'm not here
to tell you you only got to be here for me,
but I am here to tell you that there aren't
many people who are going to do the things that
we do on the show when it comes to playing
the game of Fantasy football. And that's something that you
can look forward to during the season that I talk about,
especially on the Patreon, because there are ways to approach

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the game that I find that our community just does
not spend enough time on. And you've heard me harp
on it in previous summers, but for you new listeners,
I think that's something you really need to hook into.
We don't spend enough time on how to beat the
game itself because it is a game, and I'm not
talking about doing underhanded or slimy or weird stuff. I'm
talking about beating the game that's in front of us.

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And I think so often people stop, they just analyze
players and then they're done, like, Okay, what offense is
he in, who's this coordinator? And then they're done? And
there are ways that we can beat the game by
not just being good player analysts, which we also want
to do, but by also playing the game better than
our league mates. Another thing I don't think many shows do,

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although there's a couple out there, is the auction talk.
I am going to talk about auctions, and certainly you
come here for that, so I'm going to deliver. But
that's going to be a smaller part of the show
than it's ever been, not from a standpoint of, hey,
we're not going to talk about it, just I'm not
going to devote a whole episode, say, for instance, to
nomination strategies. Instead, here's the retooling part. What I'd like

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to do is talk about players with respect to those
things that we've learned in past summers. So I'm going
to real quickly hit the concepts for the new people,
but then we're going to try to apply them towards
which players we think might be good in those roles
or which players we think might be beneficial to apply

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these skills to. So I feel like we're going to
do a more player centric approach this summer. And I
really think that's going to be beneficial because it's going
to give us a little bit of more real world
thinking about how to beat auctions, but how to beat
the game as well. At the same time, I think
those two things can go together. One thing you have
to remember about me is, like I said at the top,

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that intro is not there for nothing. We're gonna talk
about fantasy, about life, and we're going to talk about
things that make you smarter. Okay, So I don't want
you to sit here and think, Oh, he's going to
tell these stories and it's just a waste of my time.
First of all, I hope they're entertaining stories, so I
hope you don't consider it a waste of time. But

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I never tell a story on a show just to
tell a story, because it's fun to hear myself talk
every time I tell a story, whether it be about life,
about my kids, about poker, it has to do with
winning at fantasy football or winning at life, about getting
smarter about how you do things. I can't help it.

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I have a philosophy background. That was my major in college.
My concentration was in metaphysical studies, and I love that stuff.
I just love thinking outside the box and I love philosophy.
I'm not saying I'm necessarily that great at it anymore
because I got my degree a long time ago, but
that's where I come from on this show, and if

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you don't, you know, if that's not for you, that's cool, man,
that's totally cool. I'd invite you to try me out
for two or three episodes before you flip this off
and say, yeah, I'm not I'm not doing that because
we do talk fantasy football almost completely NonStop. Anytime I
tell a poker story, I'm always going to relate it
to fantasy football and what lesson I learned about how

(09:24):
you can gain people better or game the game better.
Give us a couple episodes. If it's not for you,
that's cool. I understand I'm not going to be for
everybody because I do like to talk. I love to
run my mouth, and I also believe at the same
time i'm running my mouth that I'm helping you, so
it's never really going to change. I've got to be me,
and I'm leaning into who I am, and that is

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I believe I'm a good teacher of certain things, not everything.
You have a tendency to listen to somebody like me
and think, boy, that guy's Maybe you think she said
know it all A but I don't. I don't consider
myself I know it all. I consider myself like I
know it three, like like I know about three things
in life really well. I know very little about everything else.

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So you know, ask me about the Civil War or
poker or fantasy. I'm gonna you know. I'm right there
for you. But that's what we're doing here, and I
hope that you understand that my life experiences and my
stories are part of how we get there, that's part
of how we get across the finish line, because I
really truly believe that you can take a bunch of

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data into one ear and then immediately falls out the
other ear. And I really truly believe that you can
hear somebody say go do this, and it means nothing.
The illustrations, the stories are the learning, and that's how
we do better. That's how we beat people. And I
really believe that this show teaches you how to beat people.
So I hope you stick around. That's going to be

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the end of my rant for what this show is
all about. We're going to tell some poker stories. We're
going to talk a little bit about life. I think
that stuff's super fun and I'm always gonna I'm always
going to relate that back to things that I think
are going to help you. So for this week, we're
going to follow the typical format. Like I said, we're
going to do a little bit more player centric stuff

(11:11):
on my own, not just to auction talk. We're we're
going to lean into some of the calls I made.
You know what I discovered when I get to the
end of every year is I think maybe it's a
little bit of just like, maybe I'm afraid to put
myself out there. I don't know, because it is hard
to sit here and know that three thousand people are
going to listen to something I say and they're going
to go act on it. That's difficult. It's not difficult

(11:33):
for legal stuff because I you know, I've been doing
it for so long, so that's easy. I can just
get that out there and I think I'm right most
of the time. But when it comes to player analysis, man,
that's tough. And I think that I probably limited myself
a little bit in the past couple of summers on
player analysis because I'm going to get some stuff massively wrong,
and we're going to talk about some of those hits
and misses during this show today. But I'm also going

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to get a lot of stuff right. And I feel
like I'm right more than I'm wrong. And I feel
like the combination of my player analysis with my game
theory on how to beat the game, I think that
combination is pretty wicked, and I think that's why I
win a lot in fantasy football. So that's what we're
going to do. And we're gonna start it off like
we always do, with a legal update. We're gonna get

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into three things that I learned from the fantasy season
last year. I love these topics, three simple topics that
you could really hook into that are just about fantasy
football in general. Three lessons I learned last year that
are going to help me in twenty twenty five, and
I hope they're going to help you as well. And
then we're gonna end with some discussions with Drew. For

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those of you who have never listened before. Discussions with
Drew is when I bring in somebody from the industry,
somebody smarter than me, to talk specifically just player analysis.
Most of the time, we're just going to talk about players,
and we're we're gonna, you know, we're gonna fill maybe
some of the gaps that I have in my game
with player analysis. So this summer we're gonna have on
some great guests. I've already talked to Matt Harle, Carman,

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Marcus Grant. This week is Scott Pianowski. Dave Richard from
CBS is coming on rich Reebar. So we have a
lot of good, smart people coming on the show this summer,
and they're all going to make you better at fantasy.
So we're going to be well rounded when we get
to the end of every show. You got your legal analysis,
you got your player analysis for me, a little bit

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of auction Talks sprinkled in there to help you, and
then discussions Withdrew where we talk almost specifically player analysis
and how we're going to draft this summer. So without
further ado, I think we ought to get to it.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Now. It's time for your legal update.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
So I don't want to spend a long time on
a legal update for the first episode of the show
because I want to get to fantasy content. But I
do think one of the valuable things of this show
is helping my listeners know what to do with the
legal situations that are going on around the league. And
we have two big ones right now. One is Rashie

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Rice in Kansas City and one is Jordan Addison in Minnesota.
And I think my opinions, if you haven't heard them yet,
my opinions might surprise you a little bit on what
I think about both of these situations. Number one, Rashie Rice,
this one is really interesting to me. And the reason
I think that you guys might think this is a
little bit odd is because I think it's quite possible

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that Rice does not get suspended yet again this year
because this criminal case isn't over with by the time
the season ends. I know that's wild because this incident
happened in April of last year, so we're almost fourteen
months after that incident and we still don't know what's
going on in the case. So when that happens, I'm

(14:43):
always looking for a reason why we don't know what's happening.
I've checked the website over and over and over. I
cannot find a case number for Rice's case out of
the Dallas County courts. So one of two things is
happening you know, I'm making some big mistake, and there
is a case number somewhere. But the second possible explanation
is there isn't a case number yet. And I believe

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that's the correct explanation because somebody in the national media
would have updates on this case and what's going on,
and hey he's been reigned and blah blah blah. None
of that's happened. So I don't believe there's a case
number yet. What does that mean? Well, I know you're
all thinking to yourself, so, well, didn't they already file
the case? Yes, you file the charges that you want

(15:27):
the grand jury to hear, but then it's up to
the district attorney whoever presents to the grand jury, to
present all the felony charges and say what are you
going to indict? So my contention is at this point
there's no case number because there's not actually an indicted
case yet. This is in Dallas, Texas, and I'm going
to say the same thing for this case that I'm

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going to say for the Jordan Adison case. This is
an incredibly busy court. It's Dallas, Texas. There's a ton
of cases, and I think it's quite possible with the
amount of evidence that had to be compiled in this
case and the seriousness of the case, that this is
sitting somewhere on a DA's desk waiting to be reviewed,
or it's sitting in a huge stack of cases at
a grand jury waiting to be called and waiting to

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be indicted. But the operative information here is that if
the case has not been indicted, which is what I believe,
this is not going to be over this calendar year.
When he does get indicted, that will carry over into
next off season. We're looking at a twenty twenty six suspension,
not a twenty twenty five suspension. I believe from a

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legal and suspension standpoint, you can draft Rice with confidence
right now. And if you're not one hundred percent confident,
the only thing I would tell you is the closer
we get to the season, the more likely it is
that this case is going to drag out past the
end of the year. I know that sounds self evident,
but I want you to keep in mind. You should
grow in confidence every day that he's not indicted, and

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I think that's what's happening. You know, there's this very
small chance that there's some other stuff going on, like
he's working out a pre and plea where he's in
some sort of diversion program that's confidential. That's all possible stuff.
But Occham's razor, which is that the simplest explanation is
usually the correct one. Occaham's razor says, this is a

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busy court and he just hasn't been indicted yet, and
when he does, he's gonna play all of twenty twenty
five and he'll deal with it next off season. Now
for Jordan Addison, the exact opposite is true. He is
dealing with a misdemeanor driving under the influence case that
was filed last July. Now he's in LA courts. They're
incredibly busy as well because the case was filed in July.

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His arraignment, which is his first appearance where he pleads
not guilty, wasn't until October. And I had a lot
of people out there saying screaming, Oh, he's gonna you know,
he's gonna get suspended at the end of the fantasy season,
and I kept saying, everybody, calm down, that's not gonna happen.
One of the things that you have to remember with
these kind of cases is the courts will give some
latitude to somebody for their job, okay, and they'll allow

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the case to be pushed out a little bit for
their job, which is playing football. But courts, by and
large are not going to be influenced too much by
the things that people in fantasy circles believe they're influenced by.
The courts aren't going to be super influenced by the
fact that a guy is an athlete. In fact, that
can count against them sometimes, but that's not going to

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be super influential. Contract details, how good the team's doing,
you know what time of year it's going to be
when the case comes up. For that stuff is not
as important as people want you to believe. I heard
the wackiest theory last year about Jordan Adison that the
Vikings were going to stink number one, so that Addison

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was going to want to sit out at the end
of the year for his suspension number two so that
he could then play all of this year when they
were going to be better Number three and number four.
Part of this was all due to the fact that
he's due to make more money this year, so he'd
rather take the suspension last year than this year to
save money. Now, those four things somebody strung together and

(19:05):
called that analysis. That is garbage. Folks. If you want
to know what's happening, you come right here and you
listen to me. But that's garbage for a lot of reasons,
and the most glaring one is that Jordan Aison can't
just walk into court to the district attorney and say
give me a deal, let's be done. That's not how
it works, okay. And he's stupid if he takes an

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impaired driving charge so that he can save himself a
couple hundred thousand dollars on his contract last year versus
this year. That's so that's just dumb on its face.
You don't handle a court case poorly to save yourself
a few bucks on your contract. Okay, that's that's just
not good analysis. Okay. So the case is in LA.

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It's a busy jurisdiction. They've had five pre trials since January,
and now they're set for what's called a jury trial
setting date. That's Monday, six sixteen. They're going to go
in going to pick a date for the jury trial.
My contention is that this case is going to be
resolved at some point with the plea, and that plea
will be advantageous to Addison enough that he'll escape the

(20:11):
Personal Conduct Policy mandatory three games. I think he'll land
somewhere in the one to two games. Two feels perfect
to me, but I don't like to do that. The
range is one to three games. Okay, if he ends
up having to take a deal where he's got some
sort of responsibility for being impaired with the car, it's
going to be an automatic three games from the NFL.
But I don't think they'll go up from there because

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I don't think there's any aggravating factors that are listed
in the Personal Conduct Policy that would make the NFL
want to go above three games. So I think we're
looking at one to three. I think that's going to
be the limit. But I know you're probably thinking to yourself, well,
why do you think Addison's going to be done? But
Rice isn't. These are vastly different cases. Okay, Addison's case
is a misdemeanor. It's been going on eleven months. Misdemeanor

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judges want their cases to be done. They don't want
them dragging out all this time. I would guess we're
going to have a resolution of the case before the
season starts. If it goes to actually goes to a
jury trial, all bets are off. Okay, all this analysis
means nothing if he decides to go to jury trial
because we don't know what the jury is going to do. Hell,
I've tried cases to juries that I have no idea

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when the case is over what they're going to do.
And I've seen all the evidence and hurt all the
evidence for three days. We don't know what they're going
to do if it goes to jury trial. Try to
get that out of your mind. I don't think that's
going to happen because I don't think either party has
an interest in going to the jury trial. Now I
could be wrong about that, but that's my initial gut instinct,
and I've been right on most of these cases so far,

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you know, going back to the Watson case and the
album Kamara case. So I think where we are right
now is that Rice is not going to be suspended
this year, but that Addison will. But I think it's
going to come on the front end of the season,
and you know he's going to be useful for when
we really need him. That is your legal update for
this week, the first week of the summer. It's not

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always going to be that long, but I do have
to go over that for everybody who doesn't follow me
on Twitter or TikTok and has not heard those updates,
it's really important to know what's going on with these
guys because that is a point of value that you
can find in your drafts this summer. So, without further ado,
let's move on to my three lessons from twenty twenty

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four that I'm going to take you into my twenty twenty
five drafts. The first thing I learned from twenty twenty
four isn't really necessarily a new lesson, but it's something
I've been wrestling with over the last couple of years,
and I've finally given up wrestling with it. I think

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that I've made up my mind and I'm calling lesson
number one, respect the wisdom of the masses. That's going
to be something that's going to be hard for a
lot of you to hear, and frankly, the only reason
that I've been struggling with it over the last couple
of years is because it's been hard for me to accept.
So first, let's define that what does wisdom of the

(23:03):
masses mean? Well, it's a pretty simple concept, but let's
make sure we all understand ourselves and we're all on
the same page before we go forward. The wisdom of
the masses is basically an idea that says there's a
lot of people all working on the same problem, and
the solution they come up with is generally a correct solution,

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or the answer they come up with is usually pretty
close to the right answer. I think the tendency in
the fantasy community is that we listen to a lot
of the loud voices, and a lot of the loudest
voices are telling us that, oh, you're in a fantasy bubble.
You're on fantasy Twitter, so all you are is in
a bubble. And the reality of it is I believe

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that there's a lot of really smart people putting out
fantasy content, don't you. I mean, it's tough to get
along in this business. The fact that I have three
thousand people listening to my show every time blows me
away because I don't know. Sometimes I don't know why
I have that many people listening to me. I shouldn't

(24:07):
admit this stuff right. One thing you're going to learn
about me if you never listen to me, is that
I feel like I'm basically on on my therapist couch
every week when this mic goes on. You guys get
my inner soul. But no, Like, look, let's get back
to the point here. There's a lot of smart people

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out there and they're all working on what's the problem
that we're working on. Well, the problem we're working on
is where do we draft these players? Which players are
better than other players? And where should we be drafting them?
How should we construct our rosters? All the things that
we think about with fantasy football, all these smart people
are working on them all the time, and more often

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than not it comes through with the player analysis and
so that stuff I think. I think the wisdom of
the masses, for the most part, is pretty darn good.
So I want you all to resist the temptation to say, Hey,
this bubble that we're in, it's no good for us,
you know, because we're always hearing the same things, and
these sites are all regurgitating the same things. Look, I'm

(25:09):
not here to tell you that that's completely wrong, because
I do think there is a lot of the time
when you hear this stuff NonStop, like Marvin Harrison is
gonna do this is Marvin Harrison last summer. That didn't
work very well, right, And I want to draw a
conclusion here that I think is fairly self evident. But
that's taken me a little time to get to, so
maybe I can save that time for you, Okay, Because

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I do believe that it's generally just a fallacy that
the wisdom of the masses is wrong a lot. I
believe the wisdom of the masses is wrong very few times,
and they're correct way more than they're wrong. When you're
hearing something from the masses Marvin Harrison last summer, Marvin

(25:55):
Harrison bottom around one, top round two. You hear it
over and over and over and over and over. There's
a couple reactions you can have. You can finally be
worn down and be like, yeah, I guess that's true.
I guess all these people know better than me. Or
you can fight against it. You have to put your
skeptical hat on and figure out which way is correct.
That's not always very easy. I'm not telling you to

(26:18):
sit here and just buy everything, hook line and sinker.
But if you think about like this, think about it
like this, Okay, I'm gonna go print off some rankings
from three different popular websites and take those to my draft,
and when it comes time for me to draft a player,
I'm gonna pick what these three sites believe is the
best available player left. You're gonna have a pretty darn

(26:39):
good team, right, Even if you're not picking up that
Puka Nakua at the end of the draft, or that
eleventh round Jaden Daniels, You're still gonna have a pretty
darn good team because those are pretty darn good rankings.
It's hard for the wisdom of the masses to be
crazy wrong on players, and they are and those are outliers,
and don't get me wrong, outliers can win you titles.

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So I'm not sitting here saying just swallow the wisdom
of the masses. That's what we're lesson is. But what
I am saying is, I think there's a tendency for
smart people. I consider myself relatively intelligent. I think there's
the tendency. If you're listening to this show, you probably
think you're fairly smart too, right, and you know fantasy

(27:22):
football pretty well, right, there's a tendency for people like
us to get too cute right to think we're the
smartest person in the room, to think that we're going
to reinvent the wheel when we walk into that room
instead of just playing our edges, We're walking in there
like I'm not drafting that guy. He can't possibly be
that good. A great example of that last summer was

(27:44):
Derrick Henry, and we're going to talk about him from
point number three in depth. But Derrick Henry was an
easy call. And I kept having people on my show
last summer and saying to them, is this as easy
as I think it is? Because he's in a great spot,
with a good old line, with a coach that wants
to run the ball, with a running quarterback, the best
situation he's been in his entire career. This is a

(28:06):
smash right. And even I didn't talk myself into it
enough like I should have in drafts last summer, I
just kept saying to people over and over, this is
a smash right. Sometimes it's not hard. Sometimes you don't
have to just be like, no, that's impossible. Derrick Henry
will break his foot and we two like, we don't
need to do that, Okay. The wisdom of the masses

(28:29):
does a lot of the heavy lifting for us. So
I think you need to lean into it a little bit.
And here's the conclusion I want to draw on point
number one, and we can move on to point number two.
The difference between the wisdom of the masses in your opinion,
is where the value lies. Right. We talk about value
in drafts all the time. Oh I got him in

(28:50):
the fourth it was great value. Okay, Well, that's because
you believe a certain thing about that player versus what
the masses believe a great player. Uh. A great example
of that right now is Alvin Kamara. He continues to
go out and produce every year. I've been fading him
the last two years. Not gonna make that mistake again.
And so the wisdom of the masses is al Kamara's gonna,

(29:11):
He's gonna, He's gonna, He's gonna. And then if you
pick off that value, that's where you make your profit.
So what I'm here to tell you is there's two
sides of the coin on the wisdom of the masses.
Number one, I want you to lean into it, and
I want you to respect the fact that that bubble
on that Twitter bubble, on fantasy or wherever you get

(29:31):
your opinions from not all that's bad, and I think
that you should generally line up with most of that stuff,
and then you should find your points of difference. For example,
last year, Malik Neighbors. I talked about Neighbors all summer long.
I don't want any part of Daniel Jones. I don't
want any part of that rancid quarterback situation. You know what,

(29:54):
the wisdom of the masses should have straightened me out.
I think about all last summer, how many tis somebody
had to tell me how good Malik Neighbors was, and
how I just didn't care and I didn't draft him
very much. I think I had him in one league.
I should have leaned into the wisdom of the masses
there though I thought I was smarter than everybody, I'm
not doing that. That's gonna be a train wreck. You

(30:14):
know what, He's got an offensive play caller Brian Dable,
who wants to throw him the football, and he's an
incredibly gifted athlete. My grandma probably could have got him,
you know, a top twelve finish and she's dead. So hey,
look the Green Bay wide receivers. Last year, the wisdom
of the masses told us we don't know who to

(30:36):
draft here, be careful drafting these Green Bay wide receivers.
They were exactly right. They're a ton of examples where
the wisdom of the masses served us well last summer.
So let's not get cute. Let's lean into that, and
then let's try to find our point of differences. And
if you disagree with the wisdom of the masses, that's

(30:58):
perfectly fine, and it's actually desirable, but you need to
figure out why that is and who's right. Of course,
that's the whole game. But this takes me to point
number two, which is that you need to lean into
the things that you believe, but you need to believe
them because you have a valid reason. And let me

(31:19):
shorten that up by simply saying have a reason, and
then you got to go with it. You've heard me
say have a reason for four years now, and I'm
going to say it again. It's something I had to
relearn in twenty twenty four because there are some times
that I just get a feeling about a guy and
I fade him or I draft him, and I'm wildly wrong,

(31:40):
and I think to myself after the fact, you know,
Week eight, what the hell were you doing a feelings
not a reason? Bro? You talk about it all summer
long about have a reason for everything you do in
an auction draft room, have a reason for everything you
do in fantasy football, and then every summer you go
out and draft off a feet on some players, like

(32:01):
come on, man, Like that's okay to a certain extent,
because I've talked about this before with instinct, and sometimes
we don't recognize that instinct comes from repetition, from getting
those reps in from the hours, and therefore, like we
have like a gut, and that gut can definitely steer

(32:22):
us in the right way sometimes. But I think in general,
when we're talking about player analysis all summer long, you
can't get a feeling about a player and go draft him.
You know how many times I hear, well, I think
this guy's gonna have a really good year. Or I'm
talking to a buddy who's in a couple of fantasy leagues.
He's a casual. You know, nothing wrong with that, not

(32:43):
here to disparage people, But I hear the phrase I
feel like that guy's gonna have a great year, and
then it's never followed up with a reason why. That
blows my mind. So I'm gonna call point number two,
have a reason and then go with it. And I
think that the second part is just as important as
the first. So let me break them down the first part.

(33:04):
I gotta tell you, folks, the first part doesn't feel
that important to people who are new to my way
of thinking. But you can't take this thing and just
skip step number one, all right. You can't just go
with stuff. You cannot skip step number one. What is
your reason? And I wish I could sit here and say, hey,

(33:26):
I don't care what the reason is, just make sure
you've got a good one. No, I do care what
the reason is, because that's the whole ballgame. Your reason
has to be a valid reason why you believe something.
We're gonna talk about Marvin Harrison Junior all summer long.
The major limiting factor for Marvin Harrison Junior's production last
year was he had a quarterback. He's not very good.

(33:47):
He still has that quarterback, Okay. So I'm here to
tell you that having a reason for things is incredibly important.
But the second step is just as important as the
first because you have to lean into these things and
that's where you make your money, all right, you have
to lean into the calls that you're making, because, like

(34:08):
I said, you find those points of differences in step
number one with the excuse me and lesson number one
the wisdom of the masses. You find those points of differences,
that's where you find your value. And step number two
is have a reason and then go with it, man.
And that's why, like I could say, have a reason,

(34:28):
but we've done that one before. It's more than that.
In twenty twenty four, what I realized was I wasn't
going with the reasons that I had enough. Okay, I
made some mistakes with that, and we're gonna find out
some of those mistakes as we go along. I'm going
to talk about a couple of them right now and
a couple more of them and lesson number three. So

(34:50):
I'm gonna make mistakes like I don't care about that.
I want to work on in twenty twenty five finding
that reason and then leaning into it more. I really
believe that when we find those points of difference, we're
not going to find them often enough or be able
to profit to get as much positive expected value as

(35:11):
we can. It's not going to happen often enough that
we can't afford to capitalize when it does. Okay, it's
really important that both of these parts go together for
less than number two. Have a reason, then go for it.
And when I say go for it, I mean really
push the pedal down. Because one of the best calls

(35:32):
I made last summer was Rashi Rice, and I was
really lamenting the fact that I did not draft more
Rice as we got part way into the summer, or
excuse me, part way into the season. And I'll tell
you what. The injury to Rice is part of the
reason that you diversify. But I was really happy of
like I don't know eleven or twelve leagues, I think

(35:53):
I had Rice in like five or six. That's really
high exposure. Fifty percent is pretty high for redraft purpose.
I was really happy that I did that, and I
wish that I had done it with a couple other players. Now,
I don't want to be one hundred percent on somebody.
That's just bad game theory. If you want to go
back to it, that's negative ev But in those big moments,

(36:16):
when you make those important calls, you got to have
the conviction to stick with them. I don't believe that
there's a lot of us walking around that don't have
conviction about what we believe in fantasy football. But I
do believe. There are moments that come up during drafts
or during auctions when you kind of go, ah, man,
you know, I don't really want to draft this guy again,

(36:38):
or what if I'm wrong about this guy. We have
those doubts. Maybe it's just me, but I think a
lot of you think the same thing too. And that's
why I made this a two part thing. You really
got to go with it. Because last year Rashi Rice
was an amazing call. He was I think PPR wide
receiver three when he got hurt. Brian Thomas was another
one of my good calls. I had him on the

(36:58):
back of my roster and a couple of leagues. Of course,
I made some bad ones. Brock Bowers, Molik Neighbors, both
those guys. I was concerned about the offensive environment enough
that I just barely drafted any of them. I think
I had zero Bowers and one share of Neighbors. Now,
if that makes you click off the podcast and say
this guy's a clown, hey, I get it. Those are
my bad calls. I own them. I'm cool with that.

(37:20):
I have a lot of bad calls. I have a
lot of good calls. I make more good than bad,
and I hope you can see that this summer and
as you get into the season. The whole point is,
I think that the way to be profitable in fantasy
football is to lean into those moments when you have
a reason that may be a little bit different than
the wisdom of the masses. That's where you find your value.

(37:41):
Those little outliers are how we win. I'm not saying
that we always need to be in on outliers. In fact,
I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying, let's figure out those
couple moments, let's roster those couple players, and in general,
then we stay in line with the rest of what
we're supposed to be doing. That combination, I believe of
these first two lessons is my favorite thing that I

(38:03):
thought about and leaned into more this past you know,
even mid season and my roster construction and how I
was doing trades. I was starting to get more into
that and more involved with that thought process as the
season went on, and sitting back now in June of
twenty five and looking at last year, I really think

(38:23):
those first two lessons are some things I just have
to push myself on. If you're like me and your listen,
A lot of people that listen to me have the
same sort of personality, the same sort of set up
with their life and with how they approach fantasy football.
And that's to be a little bit more conservative. And
that's cool. I love that because that's who I am.
But I want you to take the governor off, okay,

(38:44):
and I want you to look at these first two points,
the wisdom of the masses and finding your point of
differentiation and then less and number two having a reason
and then really going for it. I want you to
put those two together, and I want you to work
on that for your drafts and twentive. I think it
introduces some volatility that I don't love, but I also

(39:07):
think we smooth that out a little bit by paying
attention to the wisdom and the masses. So I think
that we can lean into the idea that outliers are
going to help us win. At the same time, we're
gonna we're gonna keep some guardrails on it by listening
to all the smart people out there. Okay, So those
are my first two lessons, all right. My third lesson

(39:28):
is something that I have to tell myself every freaking year, folks,
every year, and I just have to relearn it every year.
And and I'm just I swear I'm gonna one day
I'm gonna get it through my dumb head. But this
is a simple one, folks. Elite players do elite things,

(39:48):
all right, Lesson number three, Elite players do elite things.
I know that sounds simple. I know it does, but
I think we spend so much time preparing for our
fans drafts that we tend to forget simple things when
we're on the clock. We tend to forget that elite
talent is what we should be betting on, and we

(40:10):
kind of need to block the rest out as noise.
We spend way too much time on COMMANDI of it all,
and we don't spend nearly enough time on Derrick Henry
or Kien Williams. I know we love to talk about
those first and second round talent, so don't get me wrong.
I know we talk about those guys plenty, but we
don't talk enough about how elite players break through most

(40:33):
environments to produce elite fantasy production. I think it almost
comes down to something as simple as draft elite players
and don't worry about what the hell's going on in
their environment, don't worry about their quarterback, don't worry about
their play color. Yeah, we're going to talk about that stuff.
Don't get me wrong. That'd be dumb to just ignore
all that stuff. But the point stands that I think

(40:54):
you could just bet on elite talent and have a
pretty good fantasy year. There are so many ways that
we nitpick at players, and I'm most proud of one
of the first shows I did last summer when I
talked about drafting Saequon Barkley and Kyrin Williams, and I said, guys,
go out and just draft these two players, because I
think we're nitpicking at them a little too much. Oh,

(41:15):
Barkley's going to lose touches to the to the tush push,
he's not going to score as many touchdowns as he could.
And we're not going to draft Derrick Henry. He's old
and he's got a lot of touches. It's like, we
nitpick at these players and they're elite talents. And one
of the things that happens is we pass over the

(41:35):
very first and most important threshold issue, which is how
good are they? Then we end up with Kamani vid
All and Audric Estime on our teams. Those guys aren't great.
Both of those guys have been replaced there as backups
on their teams. I mean, we spend way too much
time on that crap. Spend time thinking about elite players

(41:57):
and how you're going to land them. Normally, switch teams
late in your career for running backs is a recipe
for disaster. Typically, late career switches for running backs produces
bad results. What happened last year, Saquon Barkley and Derrick
Henry and Josh Jacobs all switched teams later in their

(42:18):
careers and crushed. And why because they're elite players, all right.
I was worried about Josh Jacobs and his efficiency from
the previous year. I was a little nervous about Saquon
Barkley's injury history. I was a little worried about how
many goal line carries he'd get. Look, there were plenty

(42:38):
of reasons to fade those three guys on a late
career switch. That just generally doesn't work that well for
running backs. But these are elite guys. They can punch
through any situation, and they did. How about last summer,
the conversations we were having surrounding Justin Jefferson with quarterback issues.
How about Molik neighbors with quarterback issues. How about Nico

(43:00):
Collins going out there with you know, we didn't think
he had quarterback issues when we drafted him, but his
quarterback threw twenty touchdowns last year. Yet Nico finished eighth
in fantasy points per game in PPR leagues. He's a
top ten receiver with a quarterback in through twenty touchdowns,
and you know he missed whatever five games of the
hamstring injury. Folks, this doesn't have to be hard. Elite

(43:23):
players do elite things, and don't forget elite situations can
also produce elite fantasy production. I'm not talking about good situations, folks.
I'm talking about elite situations. Kevin O'Connell, Mike I almost said,
Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid. Elite situations produced elite production,

(43:47):
and elite players punched through most situations. Does that mean
it's a lock I'm gonna draft this awesome player. He's
gonna have a great year. No, of course not, folks.
If there was locks, we wouldn't be doing. I wouldn't
have a job. You're gonna miss. That's fine, you're gonna miss,
But you know what, You're gonna hit way more often
betting on elite players than you are betting on Kamani

(44:09):
Vidal and Audric Estime and hell, Bishop SANKI, I had
to get off of Bishop Sankie. Shot in there somewhere. Oh,
the wisdom of the Mass has told me that guy
was gonna be good. I didn't fall for it. Bishop Sankie,
He's he's had home listening to the show right now, Like,

(44:31):
what the hell is going on? How am I taking strays?
I'm doing is trying to listen to Drew Davenport on
the auction brief and I'm taking strays. Sorry, Bishop, Sorry buddy.
All right, Well, hey, those are my lessons from this
past season. And I really, really, really I'm gonna put

(44:51):
these three things on a post it note, and I'm
gonna put it on my laptop, and I'm gonna take
it to every draft I go to because I'm such
a knit I'm such a conservative player that I really
want to make sure that these three lessons don't leave
my brain during my fantasy drafts this summer. Number One,
the wisdom of the masses is pretty darn good. Number two,

(45:16):
have a reason and then go with it. And number three,
elite players do elite things. All right, those are my
three lessons that I love from twenty twenty four that
I'm going to be implementing this summer. And I don't
want to keep you guys any further from Scott Pianowski,
So without further ado, I'm going to bring in Scott

(45:36):
Pianowski from Yahoo Sports on this week's Discussions with Drew.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Time for Discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
brightest minds in the fantasy industry.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
All right, everybody, welcome into this week's Discussions with Drew.
And it just happens to be the first one of
the summer, so I thought i'd bring us in with
the bag. One of my favorite people in the industry,
Scott Pianowski from Yahoo Sports. Him and I have talked
a lot over the last couple of years, and like
I always say, one of the biggest treats of this
show is getting to invite smart people on my show

(46:13):
so I can start fine tuning what I think about
things and We'll get into a little bit more about
what I mean about that in just a second, because
it is still June, and second we're still trying to
figure things out. But that's what we're going to help
you do right here. Scott. First of all, thank you
so much for coming on. It's nice to see your face.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
My pleasure, Drew. You know, we get to in this industry.
We get to talk about stuff we love and try
to figure things out and talk to our friends, and
it's all under the umbrella of work. I just feel
so lucky that I get to do it. And one
of the highlights to me, probably the thing I've gotten
the most out of the Fantasy Football Expel the last

(46:53):
few years is you've gone from somebody who is more
of an acquaintance to somebody who I consider a good friend.
And we've had some unbelievable hangs in Ohio and looking
forward to another one this August, and a lot of
other just great people.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I just think of the people who were at the
dinner that we went to on Saturday night, people like
Brian Drake, just you know, great people to hang out
with him talking about everything, not just football, but talking
about family and music and golf and you know, all
all the different things, Polker, all the stuff that we're
interested in. And you know, I just love that this
is this is all I'm working right now, right, I mean,
this is basically fun me hanging out with a buddy,

(47:29):
but it's all under the umbrella of work. And so
you know, it's we have the greatest jobs to be
able to do what we do.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, yeah, well said, well said. So that means you're
going back in August, right, Yes, sir, you'll be there. Okay, fantastic.
I was really hoping to hear that you were, but
I don't think I confirmed that with you yet. And
one thing, hey, I left off of your bio. I
got to put it in there. Fs W a Hall
of Fame member. Folks, don't don't sleep on Scott over here.

(47:58):
Not only is he a fantasy football you do a
lot of fantasy baseball stuff too, don't you.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, that's a big part of what I'm doing right
now for Yahoo. It's probably seventy to eighty percent baseball
right now, twenty percent football. That number is going to
keep going up. I'm actually we're taping this. Can I
say this where you said that June and second. So
it's Monday night. I'm going to be taping a podcast
with Matt Harmon on his excellent show tomorrow, talking about
one of my favorite things, trying to identify that what

(48:24):
I call carnival teams, those teams that score like crazy
and can't stop the other team from scoring. And then
you look up and it's thirty nine thirty eight to
think of who the Bengals were last year, or every
time the Bengals played the Ravens that was just you know,
last team with the ball won or came down to
the final snap. It's we're always looking for that in fantasy.
So that's going to be tomorrow's discussion.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Okay, So where can people find you now? Not just
your writing but your socials as well.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Sure, so, I'm very active on Twitter, slash x for
better or for Worse, Scott Underscore Pianowski, and I'm on
Blue Sky. I think it might be P and L
on Blue Sky, but Scott Pianowski is not a very
common name. If you look for me, you'll find me
in two seconds. And I'm pretty much on those sites
mostly every day in the court and Court off season.
That would become every hour during the football season, during

(49:10):
the draft season when it kicks in. But I'm I'm
active on those and if you want to see any
of my work I usually promoted on social you can
also catch me on just just searching Yahoo Fantasy will
get me there, and occasionally will do something on some
of the other social media accounts, but I don't engage
those nearly as much. So you go to Twitter, Blue
Sky and you'll get the mostly the P and now experience.

(49:31):
And again I want to underscore love to talk football
with you, but if you want to talk you've seen
a great movie, or you uncovered an album you really like,
or a book, or you know, or you want to
tell me that your your kid just scored four goals
in their soccer game or whatever. I mean, we can
talk about anything. I'm a human being very true. You know,
you just came up with a great pasta recipe. Whatever
it is you said that you what trimmed your hedges

(49:52):
or something, you did some yardwork. Yeah, maybe I don't
need to hear about that. But actually, you know, here's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I don't even need to hear about that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
You know what, though, I think you're the same way
when I say this. I think of my friend Dave danishek,
you know, just being in a you know, accounting for
taste and stuff like that. I just appreciate anybody who's
really good at their job. You know, you go to
a diner and you see a short order cook who's
like making like five or six things at once, and
he's just carving it up on the grill and everything,
or on the working station. I appreciate that anybody who's

(50:23):
really good at what they do. It doesn't matter what
it is. It doesn't matter if I can identify with
it or not. I love music. I can't play any instruments.
I can maybe relate to the songwriting on some level.
But you know, anybody who's great at what they do,
whatever that is. You know, traffic cop great at what
they're doing, third base coach, great at what they do.
I announce I'm always thinking about what makes an announcer great.

(50:45):
So I just I like to think that I appreciate people.
You know, just I'm at a poker table, I see
somebody shuffling the chips better than I am, which is
like ninety percent of the table, you know, or a
dealer who really has control of the game stuff like that.
I just I like to appreciate people who are skilled
and what everitors they do. If that's sports related, great,
but it can be a number of things that aren't
involved in sports at all.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Well, hey, that's why we have you on the show
because I recognize great and I know from the moment
you started busting me up in that Gang's Classic auction
room five years ago, I knew I had a tough
competitor on my hands. And that's why I love talking
to you. And I would love to sit here and
chat about music all that stuff. We're going to save
that for Canton when we're hanging out by the fire

(51:27):
at the Double Tree.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
But by the way, everybody listening, you can come. This
is open to the public, So you want to and
you come out, you hang out, you can have a
beer with any of us you know, you want to
meet whoever it is in the industry that you like.
It's a very welcome you know. I know sometimes in
life there are things that you can be invited to,
but you get there and you kind of get the
cold shoulder, you don't feel like you belong or anything.
That is not how it works at the expo, you Basically,

(51:49):
you buy a ticket and you're hanging out with everybody else,
and these impromptu conversations start anywhere, you know. They start
at elevators, they start at the bar, they start walking
into the Hall of Fame, or you're looking at an
exhibit or something. I mean, I can't say enough how
it's really just an excuse for us to hang out
for two days.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah. I say it every year on the show. I'm
going to say it till everybody's sick of hearing me
say it. But from now until the beginning of August,
I'm going to say it every week. Come hang out,
have a beer, sit by the fire, and meet a
lot of fun people and have a lot of good conversations.
But let's get down to business, because we are at
that time of year where we're starting to edge into

(52:28):
redraft season. Not quite fully there yet. But I am
a big fan on my show of preaching every summer
that you can't figure out what you're doing in twenty
twenty five until you've broken down what happened in twenty
twenty four. And I know that sounds real simple, but
I don't think a lot of people spend very much
time going back and looking at their old drafts, look

(52:49):
at what went wrong, the mistakes they made. It's really
hard to be honest with yourself and say I made
this mistake, I made this bag call, I was way
too invested in X, Y or Z. Anyway, you get
the point. So I ask it first, just sort of
an umbrella question. Is there something that sticks out from
twenty twenty four that you feel like, hey, I'm really

(53:11):
gonna remember that going forward, or is there something I
ask it alternatively because a lot of times it's a
lesson that you've told yourself before and then you forgot
and week eight and you screwed it up. Anyway, I
do that all the time. I have to relearn things
every year. Anything like that stick out from twenty twenty
four for you.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, to two things. I think it's commonly held that
coaching is important in the NFL, but I've gotten to
a point where I don't even think it's important anymore.
I think it's critical. You have to know every coordinator,
and a lot of it's unknown, right because coaching turns
over so fast that is going to be probably a
third of the league or quarter of the league is

(53:49):
going to have a new coordinator new play caller, because
once you get good, Ben Johnson gets really good at
play calling in Detroit and he gets hired to be
a head coach somewhere else he leaves. That's the price
you pay when you're good. I want to be more
and some of it so some of it's unknowable. When
we lost Dave Canalis left Tampa Bay, the question was, well,
how good will Baker Rafel just had this great season,

(54:11):
but canalas his fingerprints are all over it, you know,
could he do it with Liam Cohen? And then we
found out that not only is Liam Cohen a right answer,
but maybe he's even more of a plus than Canalis was.
And now where we have to ask ourselves, what does
Liam Cohen do for Trevor Lawrence who has had a
stagnated NFL career. And now they've drafted drafts Hunter and
they had Thomas was terrific as a rookie. So that's
a really fascinating team and a team I think also

(54:34):
has carnival potential. I'm not sure how good their defense is.
I'm really excited to see what the Jaguars are this year,
and I think we'll get a definitive answer on Trevor
Lawrence too, or something close to it with him being
in limbo. But I think a lot about Kevin O'Connell.
You saw Caleb Williams some of the stuff that's gone
on that maybe he didn't want to be drafted by
the Bears, And when he had the interview with Kevin

(54:56):
O'Connell's like, oh wow, get me to Minnesota, man, I'd
love to play for him. And I I feel like
Kevin O'Connell what he's done, not just with talent in Minnesota,
but when he's had mediocre guys. You know, Nick Mullins
went there and the YPA was still good. He made
things work with Dobbs for a few weeks, and then
last year he coached that career year out of Sam Darnold,
who I think is always going to be a flawed player.

(55:17):
We know O'Connell is a is a plus coach, but
it's to the point where it's like when people say, oh,
I don't know if I want to draft Justin Jefferson.
We don't know what JJ McCarthy is. He just missed
a full season. He didn't throw the ball that much
at Michigan. I'm at the point where you give anybody
you give basically O'Connell's like the mcgivert to me. You
give me a paper clip, a piece of gum, you know,

(55:37):
a little scotch tape, and he'll figure it out. So
I'm going to I want to be somebody who steers
at the coaching, maybe even more than the average person does,
with the understanding that there's just going to be stuff
that you don't see coming. I was in on Jaden
Daniels last year as one of the things I quote
unquote got right. But I thought he was going to
be good to maybe very good, despite Cliff Kingsbury. I
didn't Thinkliff Kingsbury would be a plus for Daniels. Thought

(56:00):
he was, and I'm now accepted that. I think Cliff
Kingsbury's a little bit like Josh McDaniels. Going back to
the Patriots. We love him as a coordinator, we don't
like him as a head coach. Patriots are also a
fascinating team, by the way, when they've win four games
last year and their totals eight and a half wins
this year, so they're expecting to improve by four and
a half games. A lot of that is the verable
effect and people of course being sold on Drake May.

(56:21):
But coaching is really important to me, and also we
know volumes important, but I really want to steer into that.
I look at somebody like Thelak Neighbors, who last year
was second in the NFL in targets with one hundred
and seventy. Only Chase had more, where Brian Dable basically
goes to sleep every night thinking how do I get
Molak Neighbors the ball? And he wakes up with that
same idea, and they're just going to I want my

(56:42):
receivers to have thirteen, fifteen, seventeen target games in their
range of outcomes. I don't want my receiver room to
be like the Packers, where everybody gets like five to
seven targets and you just have to live with it
and you never get that fourteen target game from anybody.
It feels like it just they rotate their guys in
and out, and I think there'll just it's a wide
receiver room. But a lot of people say, well, who's
the right answer in that wide receiver room. I think

(57:03):
maybe the answer is none of them, because they're all
going to rotate. But volume coaching, coaching trends and things. Again,
a lot of it's unknowable. We see this stuff from afar.
We're not in the locker room, we're not in the
meeting rooms, and we know now it's become really frustrating.
In the last few years. Maybe it's like a decade
long trend. Teams have pulled back in the in the summer.

(57:24):
You know, the exhibition games mean almost nothing, and I
guess that's probably smart. You don't want anybody to get hurt.
But what do we see the week one almost feels
like an exhibition game, and it takes a while sometimes
for some of the trends or some of the signal
to creep through. But I'm going to before I draft
anybody with an early pick, I'm gonna ask myself to
do I this infrastructure, this, this background, this, you know,

(57:45):
this set up here? Do I like it? Do I
trust the guy calling the plays? I think that's just
critically important.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Those are those are you know? The neighbor's points interesting
because it feels like an intersection of your two points,
the volume and dayble. Those two created the perfect storm there.
And I'll admit being almost a completely full fade on
neighbors last summer because I just hated the quarterback situation
that much.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I was underweight on him too. You know, he didn't
help me. I did, Tom, I did, thankfully. I did
have a fair amount of Thomas. But although he you know,
he outkicked what I expected. I mean, man, that guy's
was open. I guess it's it's funny, Drew when we
interrupt you for a second. So this time last year,
the idea was like, Okay, hey, Harrison went so early

(58:29):
and his father was a Hall of Fame player, and
there was maybe some debate about what his ceiling was,
but the idea was that his floor was super super high.
And now if they've redrafted, I don't think there's anyway
obviously neighbors would go before Harrison, but I don't think
there's any way that Brian Thomas wouldn't go before Harrison.
Have you really what's your kind of state of the
Marvin Harrison address?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Well, funny you should say that, because I just tweeted
out something the other day about him that everyone's saying, oh,
second year, second year, second year. And I grant that
there are plenty of play who can take that step
and do it regardless of the circumstances. Just because they've
got a year under their belt. But my point was,
what has changed that makes me think it's going to

(59:11):
be a lot different. We've got the same system, same
play caller, same quarterback. I'm I'm if you followed me
along enough, you know, excuse me. I cannot stand Kyler
Murray man.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Me neither, you know. And also he's not getting any taller, right,
I mean, they're just I wonder I wonder if there
are And this is something I've gotten from Michael Selfino,
my breakfast Table podcast partner, who just hates short quarterbacks.
And look, I mean, Russell Wilson was great at peak,
but I just wonder if some of the throws that
Harrison could really eat off, or throws that not only

(59:47):
does Murray not feel comfortable throwing, but maybe he really
literally can't see them developing when he needs to because
he's just he's in the pocket and there's a bunch
of tall guys around him.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Yeah. I've just I've come to believe that Kyler Murray
is sixteenth seventeen, Like he's just not as far as
rank of quarterbacks that starting quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
He's almost not on our board, right, I mean, you're
just talking to him. I'm argue on that we are
totally in the same school of thought on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And I can I can understand the rushing and it
gives them some pop weeks. But I had Murray quite
a bit last year, and again a guy I missed
on last year. I was pretty heavy on Murray because
of the auction style. He was just perfect, like the
perfect price in every draft and I ended up with
a lot of him, and he was just frustrating. He
didn't want to run. But then he was a very

(01:00:34):
good throw in the ball. He was a terrible deep
ball thrower. And if you're talking about Marvin Harrison, tell
me what's different that's going to make me excited. Now,
maybe he takes a step forward, he has a thousand
yards and a touchdown, like whatever. That's fine, but that's
not what we thought we were getting when we were
talking about Marvin Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Also, with all that volume trade mc bride got, he
didn't finally get in the end zone until the late December.
I joke about the Deontay Johnson Award where the guy
who is the most volume, the most targets without any touchdowns,
because Johnson had that one season or he had all
the touchdown, all the targets done to the touchdowns. Trey
McBride scored six touchdowns in the NFL through three seasons

(01:01:13):
and targeted almost three hundred times. He has one hundred
and eleven catches last year and he scores twice. And
I think part of that. I guess he had one
touchdown rushing, so that probably was like a lateral that
was close to a pass. But at the end of
the year, they're trying to get him the touchdown. You know,
it's almost like like a little like a little league game,
but they're just trying to get everybody in the scorebook
or whatever, just something like that. But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Don't I don't think that's an accident though. I think
it's I think it's a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I think no, I think that that is that is
a symptom. Yeah, and of couse, Yeah, I hear you, man,
I totally agree. So so if you get nothing else
out of this, and again, look, you know, I always
say listen to everybody you respect and then make your
own decisions. If you come to your own reasons to
believe in Kyler Murray, that's totally your choice. But one
thing you're definitely gonna take away from this podcast. Is
that a very emphatic fade for both of us on

(01:01:58):
Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Okay, well, the other thing I was going to comment on,
so I loved your lessons. First, I want to say
him again out loud, leading into coaching and also volume.
One of the things you pointed out was the Packers situation.
And I remember you specifically asking me by the fire
last year, what are you doing with the Packers guys tomorrow?
And this was the night before The King's Classic, and

(01:02:21):
I said, I don't know that I can put my
faith in any of them, but I did end up
having some read, not in the King's Classic, but having
quite a bit of Jaden read because nobody else knew
what to do with them either, and that turned out
to be, you know, prescient, because they were starving each
I think read is their most capable receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Do you know what their target leader was last year
for the season.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I think it was like ninety something targets.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Right, You're not even close. First of all, and just
to show that it's really not a fluke the previous year, Okay,
we go back to two thousand and three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I'm looking this up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Their target leader was Romeo Dobbs at nine. Okay, last year,
nobody got into the eighties, and I realized there were
some guys whole thing. Wicks led the team with seventy
five targets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Oh lord, Wicks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Seventy six six, seventy six, yeah, read seventy two for Dobbs,
Craft who I actually do like, has Ad seventy Watson
who you know, fifty three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
That's that's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
And this is a team, by the way, you know,
eleven wins play. And I think Matt Lafoury is actually
a very good coach, but why why would he do
something different? He believes in this idea that we're going
to rotate our guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Well, and I'm so I'm believing even more in the
fact that there's intersection here between your two points, which
I love. So let's let's take that. And I want
to look now at the early trend here, which is
what we tend to do as a fantasy community, and
that is we put a little too much emphasis on
what we just saw, which was we saw some incredible

(01:03:54):
years from say Kwon Barkley and Derrick Henry, which I'm
going to get into that at some other point, switching
teams like in careers really works like it did for
those guys. They were just in a perfect situation. But
now we've got this resurgence in the first round where
we're seeing sometimes six running backs going in the first round.
Are you on board with that? Do you think last

(01:04:15):
year was a bit of a blip? How are you
feeling about that right now?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I think last year was a fluke because the back
stayed so healthy, and we also had talk about perfect storms,
those three veteran running backs who all escaped bad situations
and went to great situations, right. I mean, Barkley Giants
to the Eagles is like dying going to heaven. Jacobs
gets out of that mess in Vegas, he goes to
Green Bay, good set up there. And then obviously Derrick

(01:04:43):
Henry Tennessee, one of the worst teams in football, goes
to Baltimore running quarterback who doesn't run at the goal line.
I mean, we all knew that Dereck Henry was going
to like go to sleep and wake up in the
end zone, and it's basically what he did and had
a great season. But I can't see the level of
injury being as low as it was. And look, the
running game is making a comeback in the NFL, right

(01:05:03):
because the defenses league is always about adjusting and adjusting
to the adjustment and all that. And defenses have said, Okay,
we got to defend the pass, we need it more
to we need more dbs in the game, we need
a lighter defense. And the offensive adjustment to that is, Okay,
you're gonna play light, We're going to play power and
run it down your throat because you have all these
guys you don't want to tackle Josh Jacobs or Derrick
Henry or some of the power back. So the running

(01:05:24):
game and what fantasy really kind of dumped on the
running game for a while, right it's running backs don't
matter and passing is more efficient, and look, running backs,
you don't want to take them in the first round
anymore in the NFL draft and all that stuff. But
and the bell cow has basically been almost an extinct
animal or extinct being in the NFL. But I think

(01:05:45):
the running game gets a little bit of a bad rap.
Teams want to run the ball. I think they just
realize now that you can't run the ball the way
they used to do with workloads, and it makes sense to
have two guys who compliment each other and maybe even
three guys on the right team, and it's I'm kind
of glad. It's kind of to me encouraging that the
running game has made a comeback. But as far as
there's just start that many belkyus and I can't The

(01:06:07):
injury rate was solo last year for the top picks,
I just have to look at that as a screaming fluke.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
I agree in our buddy Dwayne McFarlane, he said something
about the passing. It is a league of adjustments. We
know that we're in about a two or three year
dip in passing, so that is we are seeing that
trend a little bit. But I think the fantasy production
from some of those guys, like you said, the health,

(01:06:33):
there was a perfect storm there. I think we may
be overreacting a little bit. That's my initial opinion. But
we'll see how it develops. And I want to get
into some specific players from last year. But before we
do that, let's feed our auction crew a little bit here,
because a lot of people do tune in for some
auction stuff and I'm going to do a little bit
of that on my own, but are there some takeaways

(01:06:56):
from your auctions last summer or some lessons that you
had to either, like I said before, relearn or anything
that sticks out as to what worked or didn't work
last year in your auction room.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, I didn't have a great auction year last year.
And I think what this is kind of a personal
thing for me, so I don't know how adaptable it
is to people. But I've become so value driven with
my auctions that I've lost a little bit of And
this is something you're better than I am at. And
we've talked about it, and we've talked you know a lot.
That's again one of the great things of the expos

(01:07:30):
We can compare notes. We haven't been in the same
room the last few years, and I feel bad about that.
I'd rather compete against you. But it's always cool to
you see what you're doing. And I remember last year,
I think we both talked in the middle of our auctions,
and you had gone out and really been proactive with
a plan and filled your roster more with guys that
you had a structure that you had in mind. Where

(01:07:51):
I was, I've gotten so comfortable or so used to
rolling with the punches and part of this is because,
like my main room, one of my main leagues anyway
is the bunch of people, a bunch of longtime friends
and the people I've become friends with over the last
few years who I've wanted to welcome into my League's
the great thing about having leagues. You can have all
great people because you invite who you want. And so
I invite people I really enjoy. We do an auction

(01:08:12):
and they all, I know this is gonna sound really whiny,
but they all read my stuff, they know who I like,
and they love to lean on my guys. And my
response to that has been, fine, lean on my guys
all you want, I'll just go. I'll go elsewhere. I'll
pivot right. And I think I've pivoted so much that
I wind up with these teams and I'm like, there
is a single guy in this team I really wanted.
I mean, not that you know, I was okay with

(01:08:33):
them at the time, or with the price or whatever
it is, but something, you know, something to be said.
I'm never going to be the guy says, look, I'm
going to get my guys no matter what. I'm never
going to be necessarily that guy. But if you're going
to overpay for something, at least let it be somebody
you really believe in or somebody that you really needed,
like for example, Waned. And again it's June second, we're

(01:08:53):
still wading into the pool. You know, we're not waist deep,
We're not you know, shoulder deep. Yet that's that's to come.
I think Justin Field is just a screaming you know,
go get this year. And I think a couple of
times I'm going to walk into a room and to say,
you know what I'm getting Justin Fields in this auction
and if people as long as it doesn't get ridiculous,
I'll back it. There's a point where I'll back off anybody.

(01:09:14):
And that's kind of what I like to do in
an auction. I'd like to give people the idea that
I'll back off any bid at any time, because I
don't want people to feel like they can lean on me.
I want them to feel like, you know, at any point,
if they're trying to price them force on me, they
may get a guy that they didn't want, and I
want them to always have that in the back of
their mind. But maybe I'll walk into my hometown, you know,
the one to eight two four auctions usually on Memorial Day,

(01:09:36):
I'm sorry, on not Labor Day. Memorial Day brings in
the summer, Labor Day brings in the fall, brings in
the football season. That's when we always have our auctions.
I know, app it would be around that Monday night.
Maybe I'll just say, you know what I'm getting justin fields.
It doesn't matter that Alan Cislowski knows I want him,
or or Steve Gleeson knows I want them whatever, I'm
just gonna get my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Well, I love this point, and I can't tell you
how much I love it because I noticed something a
couple of years ago, Scott, and this is not going
to surprise you, but I also fell into the same
idea that you did that I'm so comfortable in these rooms.
I know what the value should be. I know what
these guys are doing, and I know what I want

(01:10:16):
to pay for certain positions. And I stopped being real
meticulous and detail oriented prior to the draft and just
being like I can do this, I'm good enough. And
it was a lot of hubris. And I'm not saying
that's what it is for you, to well, it felt
like it for me. It felt like I can nail this.
I'm fine, and even some like mocks I did last summer.

(01:10:37):
I just like logged in two seconds before it was
going to start, and I just I didn't do well
and I don't like, I don't care that it's a mock.
I'm supposed to be good at this, like, and so
it was frustrating to me. And I went back to
the basics last year and I felt like it really
paid off for me in a couple of leagues in
the King's Classic Auction, I felt like I absolutely destroyed

(01:10:59):
that room. And I did not have a good year
because I various reasons. You know, Rashie Rice and Olave
with the concussions, and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You know, you know something, I gotta say this, You
were right on Rachip Rice. He just that was just
bad luck you right, Yeah, I was so overweight on
Rice and I was giving you all the credit for it.
And I still think, you know that was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
He was having a huge year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
He was going to get implcable volume. Man, they were
just they were just gonna he was gonna have one
hundred and sixty five targets. That was the right And
you spoke of the suspension risk was always over played
and overpriced in that was you were so right on
that and that was just bad luck. And you and
I were commiserating, commiserating and test message after Rice got hurt,
but that that sometimes you can get stuff right and

(01:11:40):
it doesn't play out because of the football and attrition.
But man, you got that, you got that call right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
And you know in King's Classic two, I knew that
they weren't going to care about quarterback. I got it. Uh.
I think I got Hurts for twenty one bucks. It
was like, you know, fifteen Russian touchdowns, like like I
did everything. You know, Johnathan and Taylor was on my team,
but I had a little dry stretch there and then
you know, if I'm in the playoffs when Taylor was

(01:12:05):
doing his thing at the end of last year, I'm
winning that league. So I felt great because I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Went rather than Rice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I had quite a few weird things happen. So I
had DeAndre Swift as a flex, I had Tony Pollard,
I had Keenan Allen like, I had all these guys
that sort of hit and I could not win a game. Man,
I would play somebody with the top points, I would
lose by I lost two games two weeks in a row,
by like one and a half points total. So it

(01:12:34):
was just one of those things where like if I
eked into the playoffs I took I would have took
it down.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
But where were you do you remember roughly where you
were in total points scored for the season?

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I was right in the middle, like seventh something like that.
Like I think I finished like I was at the
end of the season. If I won my last two games,
I was making it in And of course you know
that didn't happen, but it was right in the middle.
And that was odd too, because you know, I actually
when I looked at my team, I'm like, this is
a good team. I just can't get them all on

(01:13:03):
the field at the same time, and things just won't click,
and sometimes it just refuses to happen. That's okay, but
you know, when it comes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
To let me, let me mention one other thing. By the way,
it just just pops into my head about what I
might be getting wrong is that this can go both ways.
Because the league's I think the Auction League and in
King's Classic is fourteen teams, and so a lot of
times I think I want to have a really good bench.
I want to have the best flexes, and I think
I need to get more comfortable with maybe again, not

(01:13:34):
that I'm going to mandate this as I step into
an auction, but maybe just getting Stars and Scrubs builds
at least I have to have. Sometimes Stars roommate give
you a really good Stars and Scrubs build, and I
need to be okay with that because I think a
lot of times I'm thinking I want the best wide
receiver three in the league. I want the best, you know,
two tight ends in the league, even though I didn't
pay for one of the top five guys. Or I

(01:13:55):
want people to feel like during the bye weeks I'm
going to be crushing them because of my death so good,
and maybe I'm not getting enough high end talent because
I'm not comfortable enough with one dollar players. I mean,
you're going to cut so many guys anyway, your roster
is going to look so much different than it does
on August seventeenth that maybe I need to be comfortable
with it. Sometimes those builds are just screaming to be done,
and I haven't been staring into them enough.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Scott, this is not going to surprise you, but I
love this point too, because it was a point of
emphasis also for me. Last summer, I was doing custom
par sheets for my Patreon members, and I kept telling everyone, look,
I'm building your last two or three spots as if
you don't care. And I don't want you to care
about those spots because I realized that what I was

(01:14:38):
doing was I was getting in these drafts and I
was like, ooh, I could have this guy and this
guy and this guy, and then I would just sit
there and wait and try to pick off those players.
And then I realized, like the rate of hitting on
those guys was so low that it was negative. It
turned out to be negative ev it was negative expected

(01:14:58):
value to wait pick off these three guys I wanted,
versus taking that money and putting it into a better
RB two, better wide receiver one. And so I love
this point because and again I think these two can intersect.
I think when it came back to the details and
when I said, hey, I'm going to execute this plan

(01:15:18):
and here is my numbers for this plan, I performed better.
And that plan included forcing myself. I don't know about you,
I'm a knit. When I'm at the poker table, I
just I'm very conservative, I'm very by the book. I'm
gonna play things straight, and that's how I auction draft too.
And I've really really had to lean on myself and
lean on my own brain to be like, stop worrying

(01:15:41):
about the last two guys on your roster. You're gonna
cut them for the flavor of the week anyway, Go
spend your money.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Yeah, our poker styles are similar, you know. I want
to wait for better spots, wait for better spots, not
try to be a hero, not try to outflop people
with raggy hands and stuff like that. But you know
it came when you were talking. I thought of another
thing that I'm probably getting wrong is that I've become
so fond of trying to control the end game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
You talk about poker, you think about playing in a
poker tournament, right, what is a good poker tournament player?
What is he constantly doing or is she constantly doing?
Is evaluing the player, the other players and their stacks. Right,
Who is leverage? And that's obviously a huge part of auctions.
What are my opponents doing? Where are they filled? You know,
I think I'm really good with nomination strategy, just getting

(01:16:30):
a sense of who are the players to bring out,
because it's really easy sometimes, right if you draft a
star tight end, any nomination of a star tight end
will make sense for you because you don't want that player.
It doesn't fit your roster anymore, and you want your
opponents to spend money. But I think sometimes I get
so I fall in love with the idea that I'm
going to control the end game. I'm going to have
the hammer, I'm going to get who I want. Okay,

(01:16:51):
So here I am a little sheet of paper, and
I've got my targets and I'm waiting for them to
come up, and I'm so insistent that I can't nominate
them myself. And what will happen sometimes is the guy
I thought for sure i'd get comes up, and somebody
has too much money and decides they really want that guy,
and so they go to the moon form and then
I have to back off. And then I realized, well,
while I was waiting for this person, three or four

(01:17:12):
reasonable alternatives came off the board. They're not available anymore.
I think I've become so hesitant to lead out a
guy I want. I need to work that back into
my game. You know, it's been a weakness in mincause
a lot of times I'm just waiting. I'm like, well,
I don't and it doesn't mean you. I'm never going
to be the guy who constantly brings up the person
you want. Some people do that consistently. It's exploitable. It's

(01:17:33):
a really easy tell to anybody who's paying attention. But
I've gone my correction has gone too far the other way.
I need to balance that out a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah, and it's something that I have to police myself with.
And I will say that I was better at it
this last draft season, but I had some heartbreak. I mean,
you know you're gonna call some of those guys out
and be like, no, he went for too much. I
called him out too early. You second guess yourself. But
I don't believe that in the moment you can really

(01:18:01):
know that. So I think you just have to take
some shots. I think there's a fine line. It's one
of those things where it's feel, it's field based, and
the more you do it, the better you're gonna get
at it. But I still I think you have to
do it because and not all the time. Of course,
you got to pick your spots. But like I had
some heart break last year where I was like, no, no, no,
just stop waiting. You wait too much, You wait too much,

(01:18:21):
you wait too much. Nominate him, didn't get him. I
was like, whoops, should have waited. But right, right, all
the game right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
And the story. You know, auctions never make sense in
the moment. They only make sense when you look at
them in retrospect, which is kind of like life. You know,
life only makes sense looking backwards, but you have to
live it forwards. But at least when you do, Okay,
I'm gonna wait on this guy now, Okay, I'll bring
them out. So you bring them out. You don't get
the result that you wanted. Okay, fine, but what you
have gain is that information. It's been revealed and now

(01:18:51):
you can pivot with a full I mean, I mean,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
More options left. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
We probably talked about this in previous episodes because I
think one of the most important concepts of auctions. Once
you've done a few and you have a sense of
what the game is like, you have to try to
do your buying to get your players. When your opponents
have alternatives, you need them to look at the player
involved and say, you know what if I don't get him.
I could get him, I can back off this. I

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don't have to have this guy, because if you wait
until the last good time or the end of the
tier and all that, that's when things get crazy and
people start panicking. That's what it's about to be a
blizzard and everybody just went to the grocery store and
they're afraid they're going to run out of soup or
bathroom tissue or whatever it is, milk, whatever it is
they need, and there's nothing left in there. You need
to get in there while your opponents can pivot and

(01:19:40):
back away, because when there's no alternatives left, that's when
things go haywire.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Yep, Okay, Well, we could talk auction for two hours.
That's what we love. But I want to get back
to looking back a little bit at twenty twenty four
because I try to tear everything down before I start
building for the summer. And a couple of things that
I want to ask you about. We're some specific player
performances from last ye year and these performances have me

(01:20:06):
a little bit stumped. And like you said before we started,
it is early in the summer. We are trying to
refine our opinions here, So not everything we say is
gospel in the middle of August. We need to, you know,
be reflective as we go along. But as we sit
here now, one of the first ones that I think
of is Jerry Judy. He had an unbelievable end of

(01:20:28):
the season. From week eleven on, he was the wide
receiver four and they were just slinging it all over
the field, and he had an unbelievable I guess, I
don't know if you'd call it a breakout. I don't
think he's had anything like that or anything close to
that in his career. Can we believe this? And the
problem that's stacking on top of can we believe what
happened last year is we got no clue as we

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sit here right now, who's going to be playing quarterback?
And it's so weird because it's it's a bunch of
different players. You know, We've got Flacco, We've got Picket,
We've got two rookies. I don't know what the heck
to think about their different styles impacting Judy. And on
top of that, Judy's never done it before. Are we
supposed to buy this from him?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Generations passed us are going to look back and say,
wait a minute, Deshaun Watson, Kenny pick At Joe Flacco,
Dylan Gabriel, and Sdar Sanders were actually on a football
team at one point in time. That doesn't make any sense.
You know that what they did in the draft where
they drafted Gabriel, they overstepped everybody else's impression of Gabriel
and draft him, and then they drafted Sanders, who was
dropping like a stone the whole draft. I still can't

(01:21:32):
believe that Sanders built the shrine to himself with the
NFL draft, and the whole league was like, Okay, we're
not touching this guy. I'm not sure the stories you
hear of him going to teams and giving awful interviews
and not wanting to talk about reeds and all the
you know, all the mental stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I don't know what to make of that guy. But
because that quarterback room is such a mess, and because
Judy also just there's something about his game. Nobody likes
being hit and maybe you know, we saw a hockeylayers.
He likes to tell you Eriklyn Dross likes to hit
and be hit, you know, stuff like that. Stan Jonathan whatever,
guys that ruins I grew up with. I watched Jerry

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Judy play and I feel like you can tell he
really doesn't want to get hit. And I thought it
was a problem in Denver. I thought it kind of
greased the skids for him to ultimately sour there and
a lot of his production. We love Spike Weeks, but
I'd still rather if we could get the production in
a more consistent package. I feel like Judy was a
little bit more boom or bust from it's a position
on boom er bust. You could say that about ninety

(01:22:29):
percent of the guys, the guys who don't have boomer
busted their game are going to go in the first
two rounds and then you can't get to them anymore.
So it's it's a little bit cheating to say that,
But I don't trust. I think what Judy did is
more noise than signal, and I don't like the receiver room.
And I think the Browns realize for them to be
and why they took Judkins in the second round, I
think they took the rock Ohio state back. But why

(01:22:51):
they took him is they think our winning path is
going to be defense. It's going to be a very
boring vanilla offense, try to win games, kind of the
way the Steelers have tried to games. You know, every
time the Steeers play the Ravens, Mike Tommlins like, how
can we make this a nineteen sixteen game? I think
that's gonna be the Cleveland Browns for most of the season.
I'm very concerned about Judy would have to fall into
a value pocket for me to draft him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't buy it. I
know that people are excited and have seen some optimism,
but that's frankly been a little surprising because I thought
there would be a healthy amount of skepticism based on
how it went down at the end of last year.
But and talk about healthy skepticism, you mentioned Kevin O'Connell
earlier and what he did for Sam Darnald last year

(01:23:36):
who slung thirty five touchdown passes. Unbelievable season from Darnald.
But now he switches teams. He's not with the QB whisperer,
and the team that he switched to just traded away
their top option. Believe or don't believe in Darnald for
twenty twenty five based off of that monster twenty twenty

(01:23:56):
four season.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I just think too much of that was O'Connell.
And it's really interesting that the OC and Seattle is
Clint Kubiak, who for the first two weeks of the
season he looked like one of the biggest winners in
the NFL. New Orleans pounded a Carolina team didn't look
ready to play, and then they went to Dallas and
beat the snot out of them, And I don't think
anything went right for the Saints the rest of the season. Obviously,
you know Shaheed was having a breakout, he got hurt

(01:24:19):
a lave, Everything went wrong for him with the concussions,
and I don't know what the heck to do with
the lobby. And then Derek Carr got hurt enough that
he's retired, although you wonder if part of that is
just the relationship souring in New Orleans. But I'm not
really sure what Clint Kubiak is. I've always for most
of Sam Donald's career, I've been more open minded to

(01:24:39):
accepting what he does well and knowing that he's still
a flawed player. I thought his runout with the Jets
was extremely unlucky. Who gets Mono for crying out loud.
So I was in on him last year. Of course,
a lot of that was pricing in the O'Connell effect.
That's gone now. I like JSN. He's not justin Jefferson.
The set up there with the Addison and dynamic number two.
They got half season I guess out of Hockinson indoor team,

(01:25:03):
which is always nice. I just look at the Seattle thing.
Jay said's good, But now he has to be the
top guy. I don't know if Cooper Cup has a
lot left. MVS is just gonna run those cardio routes,
but he's not somebody who can take seriously. And then
that really the You just wonder where the rest of
their receivers are because their depth chart looks really ugly.
There are fourmats where I'd be open minded to Donald
as a third quarterback or something like that. But I

(01:25:25):
don't think I'm saying anything revolutionary here. I think this
one season obviously was an outlier. Look he played terrible
at the end of the year. He basically, you know,
we the bet against Detroit and then in the playoff
game against the Rams, they off. Those games were dead,
you know, the moment they started, it felt like but
you remember they were they went that the trick game,
they would have been the number one seed in the NFC.
Donald was great. I just think most of it was

(01:25:47):
O'Connell and the infrastructure there. I think he's going to
end of the season, he's gonna probably a good chance
to lead the NFL in interceptions.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Okay, I'm with you on that too, because that thirty
five tds, it shure didn't feel like that by the
end of the season. What they were doing to him,
getting him off his spot and making him nervous. He
made a lot of bad throws. I just kept watching
thinking this is not this is not going to end well,
and it sure didn't. Another guy that had a monster
season was Baker Mayfield down in Tampa. He had forty

(01:26:20):
four total touchdowns. I think he threw forty one, ran
three in But now he's lost an offensive mind each
of the last two years, with Canalis leaving in twenty
twenty four, and then we've got Liam Cohen gone now
as well. But it sure looks like they have the
offensive talent for him to still have a nice season.

(01:26:41):
Forty one tds maybe is a bit of a stretch,
but do we still believe in Mayfield. He still got
us arguably one of the better wide receiver rooms in
the league and a stud young running back. I still
feel like I believe in Baker, but forty one seems
like a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
This is one of those great situations where you can
price sin regression to Mayfield and still draft him with
that regression understood and get a value that you might like.
And anytime you can do that, I think you're in
a good spot. And as much as we have to
give credit to Canalis for twenty twenty three, we have
to give credit to Cohen for last year. I mean,
Mayfield deserves a decent chunk of that. He's now part

(01:27:19):
of the backdrop in Tampa Bayo. Any any incumbent quarterback,
veteran quarterback who's part of a successful offense, he has
input in the play calling. He's basically, you know, part
of the offensive infrastructure. He's going to just like when
people say, well Ben Johnson left Detroit, Jared Goff is
still there. He remembers all the plays he likes to call,
all the throat he likes to make. Nobody's gonna forget that.

(01:27:42):
I'm a believer in Mayfield because you look at this
room and Evans and Godwin, and they drafted like Buka,
who people really like, again a player who is seen
as a high floor guy, and McMillan was doing things
at the end of the year. Their backs can catch
the ball, and I don't really like the defense. I
think the defense was mediocre last year. I think I
could get worse year. When I talk about these Carnival
thirty seven to thirty five type of teams, I think

(01:28:04):
that's Tampa Bay. Mayfield will occasionally throw the ball to
the other guy, but he's competitive and I think he's
going to be even with regression baked in. I think
he's going to be a really good value this year.
And I think I'm going to have I'm not going
to nobody quarterbacks too deep, you don't have to walk
and thinking I'm getting this guy, getting that guy doesn't
have to be that specific. But I would think I
would at least be at weight, if not overweight, on

(01:28:25):
Baker Mayfield this season.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah, And I was just looking because I know that
his TD rate was pretty high. He did have a
seven point two percent TD rate, But the other side
of that coin is he threw the ball more than
he'd ever thrown in his career. And if he has
a right around of five or a little bit higher
TD rate, he's still throwing for thirty touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
So maybe if you get if you get twenty twenty
three from him, where the TD rate was four point nine,
he still goes over four thousand yards. He still throws
the ball well over five hundred times. And Baker, he's
not a great athlete, but he's so competitive that he's
I think you can probably give him, I don't know,
two hundred and fifty or three hundred rushing yards and
multiple rushing touchdowns. It's it's not gonna be something that

(01:29:09):
you get. He'll sprinkle that in right. Yeah, it's going
to be again, there's gonna be a you know, it's
like if you're watching red zone, I don't know how
people consume their DFO content. Let's go back to Tampa Bay.
Another touchdown on the board. Baker Mayfield is making a
comeback out of this. You know, it's gonna be it's
gonna be a fun team. They're gonna be there's gonna
be a lot of games that they're the last game

(01:29:29):
to end because it's all passing and you know the
clock is stopping and the flow of the game is
slower and all that, it's gonna be a really good
place to be. And just the fact that they didn't
need to add a receiver and they added one. Anyway,
I'm not sure if it was the right thing to
do NFL wise, but you know, everything points to Baker Mayfield.
I think Kate Odden is a decent tight end. He's
not an elite tight end. He's not maybe an elusive

(01:29:51):
or an exciting tight end. But when he's like your
fifth best option on any pass play, you get a
pretty good life.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Yeah, and you're right. He had almost four hundred rushing
yards three touchdowns on the ground last year, so certainly
doesn't hurt. Okay, there's a couple two more guys I
want to ask you about. One guy had a season
on the other side of the coin, and that was
mister C. J. Stroud down in Houston. He only threw

(01:30:17):
nineteen touchdown passes. As hard as that is to believe
last year, nineteen tds. That seems odd in an outlier way,
you know, the other way, I'm sure he's going to
do better than that this year. But how much are
we still living off of his rookie season when we're
thinking about him going into twenty five, or do you
feel pretty good about Hey, this guy's gonna be super cheap.

(01:30:39):
I'm going to have some CJ. Stroud this year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
I can't view him as a target, but he's got
to be better than last year. I guess it was
what twenty touchdowns, twelve picks. Everything went wrong and the
offensive line was riddled with injury. All of his primary
receivers got hurt, and Bobby Slowick And again, sometimes you
can think somebody's a right answer, and you think maybe
he's not because two years ago we have to Blowe's
Bobby Slowack was part of c J.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Stroud.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
He's just so funny how Young was drafted to head
of Stroud and it was all Carolina screwed up. Stroud
was the right guy. And then the year later brace
Young actually had a really nice final third of the season.
And he's an interesting late round target, especially if you
believe in Canalis. And they were such an improved team
in the second half of the year. They got him
the receiver that he needed. But I got to give
I got to give Stroud an excuse absence because anything,

(01:31:25):
every quarterback needs to be protected. He needs to have receivers,
and he needs to have a play caller who's got
a good vibe going, and he had none of those
things last year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah, I feel like he's just an easy click if
I'm waiting on quarterback, and then you're going to be
able to tell whether or not he's making some steps
early in the season. And he's not going to be
anybody that you have to put a lot of money
or drive capital into. So for sure, that seems that
seems fairly low risk there. But the final guy I

(01:31:55):
want to ask you about is Chase Brown because it's
an interesting quirk that after Zach Moss gets hurt they
end up going just full on Chase Brown. I believe
I saw the number he had ninety six percent of
the running back touches over the last half of the
season when Moss got hurt. That's an insane number. I

(01:32:17):
can't obviously expect him to have that again this year.
But what do we think about Chase Brown. I know
that he's still going as an RB one, although he's
not gone up as high as I thought that he
would by this point. Maybe that's going to continue to
climb as the summer goes on. But what do we
think about Chase Brown if he goes back to eighty
percent or seventy five percenter, Zach Moss comes back to

(01:32:39):
do what they got him to do in the first
place and he actually stays on the field. Are we
over drafting Brown?

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
First? I have to own that he was one of
my worst. I don't know if I shall call it
a call, but I ended up underweight on Brown. I
thought I liked him, Okay, I think there are a
lot of people who as the draft season was getting
into the second half, in the final of the summer,
there are people who were planting their flag on Chase Brown.
A lot of leagues. I was in people just like
you know, I believe in Chase Brown. He's going to

(01:33:06):
be the guy. He's gonna shove Moss out of the way,
and they certainly believed it. Yet I thought he was,
you know, the better of the two, although I was
I thought Moss would ever roll to I think I
actually would have left the Expo Draft with Moss on
at least one of my teams because he was a
total zero. He did very little, and then he got hurt,
but I just want to own that Brown was one
of my worst calls of the year last year. Now
this is again a case of regression. You can't play

(01:33:28):
as much as he did last year year over year,
especially when we're talking about a guy who's five ten,
two hundred and eleven pounds. But Carnival team, he fits
everything they run. They did not bring in anything to
push him or compete with him. I mean, I look
at their depth chart. Now it's Brown, it's Moss, it's
p Ryan, you know, just a career backup floats around
the league. Taj Brooks was a Day three draft choice,

(01:33:51):
I want to say. I mean, they've said nice things
about him, because people say nice things about the guys
they draft. What a super super tight concentration, by the
way usage tree here between Brown Chase Higgins. I guess,
Kasek you will get some of it. I thought Yoshi
get a chance, yoshavas their third receiver, got a chance
to play last year and was kind of exposed as
never really being a separator or somebody they could rely on.

(01:34:13):
So they're going to be so tight with their usage,
so narrow, and I think I'm surprised. I'm actually almost
shocked Drew that Brown's ADP is maybe a half round
to a full round lower in some rooms than where
I think it should be. I think right now he's
one of the values of the early draft season.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I've been surprised too that he's just not shooting up
draft boards. So people must be a little bit nervous.
I mean, I don't know how much p Ryan really
bothers me. But if they take away from receiving work
from Brown hand they hand Moss a few goal line touches,
I can see the nervousness. I understand it, but I
have been surprised that he hasn't been more of a
darling so far. But again, it's two and second that

(01:34:54):
has plenty of time to shoot up.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
The funny thing about p Ryan is he's nothing special
when he's used in a play as far as running
or catching the ball. He's actually a very good blocker,
and that's why I think he plays teams too. So
he's the type of guy that coaches love because they
see him stone the guy coming around the edge and everything.
But that doesn't you know, it helps Joe Burrow and
maybe it helps make a completion downfield. It's not going
to make pe Ryan valuable. But if Chase Bron I

(01:35:17):
think Chase Brown, his ADP will get corrected and people
will start saying, like, why is this happening. We'll be
having the conversation that we have, and I think his
ADP will rise with nothing changing in Cincinnati, just maybe
people examining this a little bit closer. But man, I
would love this is one of those things where you'd
love to lock in the prices now. You'd love to say, hey,
can we just hold this ADP until all my main

(01:35:38):
drafts happen in August, because I will scoop up a
bunch of it and be very comfortable. And Cincinnati, I
don't see anything good about their defense man, as long
as they can keep Burrow healthy. And that's the big
question with them. Every year they've paid all their primary guys,
so you don't have to worry about happiness with the receivers.
They're just I can't think of a team that's better
set up to play that thirty eight thirty five football
than the Bengals right now.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Okay, well, hey, I want to move us towards a
conclusion here because I've kept you for almost an hour
here and this is super fun for me and I'm
enjoying myself. It feels like we just started. I don't
know how we got in near fifty one minutes, but
I want to leave everyone with a little bit of
a discussion about current ADP. Not that anything's really dialed

(01:36:22):
in yet, so I don't want people to hold us
to what we're calling. You know, the ADP right now.
But what are some guys that you're either thinking are
being pushed a little bit too high right now or
are too low? And let's just go with one per position.
I don't care if you think they're they're going too
high or too low. Either one doesn't matter to me.

(01:36:44):
Just pick somebody from each position. Let's start at quarterback.
Is there somebody you see and that's kind of wildly
out of line from where you think they should be
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
I don't know that I've examined the market enough to
say definitively that these are like crazy eighty just I'm
just going to give you guys, I feel calm right now.
I like more than the consensus at quarterback. We talked
to Mayfield. He's one guy I think I'm going to
like more than most rooms I'm gonna have Fields. I
talked about him a little bit and brock Perty, is
he ever gonna be great? Is he ever gonna be

(01:37:13):
like an MVP?

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
I don't think so. But it's shanahand he's smart. He
was a four year starter. He I don't know how
he lasted to the last pick of the draft, because
you know, he at least looked like a guy who
could play in the league at ten years as a
quality backup. It turns out he's better than that. But
Mayfield fields in party or three quarterbacks? I think I
like more than the market.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Okay, I love it. I'm a pretty guy myself. I
didn't think it was weird what the Niners did. I'm
glad they did it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
They had depend you. I don't think they had a choice.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Yeah, I like I like brock Perty. I know that
that's not a popular opinion, but I like him. Okay,
how about running back? What are you thinking?

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I wish I had better answers here. The two guys
who percolated to me Caleb Johnson just because his running
style and that that zone scheme perfectly fits what Arthur
Smith wants to do, and until they saw their quarterback room.
They're gonna have to be a team I talked about
playing nineteen sixteen football. They're going to have to do
a lot of that. Caleb Johnson are going to fit that,
and I think Zach Scharboney. I'm not convinced that Walker's

(01:38:10):
that much better than him anyway. I think Charbonay will
have probably in medium and deeper league, some standalone value
if nobody gets hurt, and Walker probably will get hurt
at some point. I could easily see at the end
of the season we look back and see that that
Sharbonnay was the Seattle back we wanted all along.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Okay, all right, these are good wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Man, but Drake London did the end of the year.
I can't unsee it. And I think it is Zach Robinson,
I think is their OC. He's from the mcvayh tree.
I think it took him a while for him to
get comfortable with a play sheet and figure out.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
What he was doing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
But I like what they were doing at the end
of the year. I think London is just gonna He's
gonna be a volume monster, and he's obviously capable of dominating.
Like London a lot courtland Ston's a boring value veteran.
He scores touchdowns because he's so good in space. I
think he's a half round two a round under price
that right now. The Bills didn't do much to their
receiver in part because they believe in Shakir. I think
his catch rate is so high Alan trusts him a

(01:39:05):
third down or when he really needs to have a
chain conversion. I think Shakir can probably build a little
bit on what he did last year. And I think
I trust you on Jennings more than most people do.
And the Niners must trust him to a fair amount
because they let Debo go. So I think Jennings. If
I like Perdy, I have to have somebody coming along
for the ride. Obviously Kittle is a monster and all that.
I think Jennings is somebody I believe in. It's when

(01:39:27):
a guy breaks out that late in his career you
don't know what to do with it. But I think
I like Jennings more than consensus.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
I think I'm going to be right there with you
on Jennings as well. Everybody wants Ricky Pearson to take
that role, but I'm not sure Jennings is going to
let him have it. And the Niners really like Jennings, so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
They even gave him a decent when he was considered
a backup, they still gave him kind of a decent contract.
I think they've always liked him.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
I like that matters, I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
It doesn't matter for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Yeah, Sutton has gone to bottom of wide receiver two territory, perfect,
perfect spot for or something. And then I think this
is interesting. Drake London right now is the wide receiver nine.
And I understand all eight guys that are going ahead
of him. I truly do you know, Nico, Brian Thomas,
I'm on ra Puka, Neighbors, Lamb, Jefferson, Chase. I get it,

(01:40:18):
and I don't have a problem with all those eight
guys being ahead of him. But I feel like the
way that I draft in an auction, I'm gonna want
to get one of those bottom wide receiver ones, the
eight to ten, eight to twelve range, and London fits
perfectly in that strategy. I'm hoping that I see just
a little five to seven dollars discount from some of

(01:40:39):
those guys ahead of him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
The last eight games, eighty eight targets fifty seven, nineteen
and three so that just tells you what's possible if
you double those stats. We're talking about one hundred catches,
fourteen hundred plus yards, and you know, I think six
touchdowns is probably a starting point for London. I think
he'll do better than that. Yeah, here we go, man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Okay, all right, Well let's end it with any tight
end thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
I think I like Craft and friar Moth better than
most people do. I don't like the if you don't
like the Steelers receiver room, it kind of points to
to Fry and myth getting those boring seven to eight touchdowns.
And we talked about Green Bay right where the targets
nobody had eighty last year. But this scheme so many
when Craft makes a play, it's a win of scheme.
They love to throw those tight end screens to him.

(01:41:23):
The players that can break for you know, fifteen twenty
twenty five yards. He gets a lot of goal line opportunities.
So I find myself liking him more than most people.
And also I just I want to really quickly. We
talked about Kyler Murray. Just some of the players out
like less than consensus. Rattle them off really quickly. We
don't necessarily have to talk about them. Of those, one guy,
I'm going to ask you about Caleb I need to

(01:41:46):
see it, man, I need I'm not going to draft
him proactively, and somebody will. I know Ben Johnson's great.
We talked about Kyle or Justin Herbert's on a team
that wants to play. You know, Jim Harvell wants to
beat people physically, and they're never going to be an
air A team unless they have to, and then so
many games won't play that way. I think the Browns
took the wrong back and Judgens. I think he's a
bad player, but I think he's a special player. Travis

(01:42:08):
Etn's flaws are kind of out there for everybody to see.
I think Jacksonville will try to trade him. I'm afraid
to draft McCaffrey, even though I know that could beat me.
I'm out on Tyer Kill man. I'm a worried he's
at once the Chiefs goes bad player. I don't like
what their offense became last year. They want to get
the ball out of to his hands, and that's reasonable,
but Tyer Hill didn't have a long catch after the
first week of the season. If he's a fine long
patch by thirty one yards or more. He didn't have

(01:42:29):
any that's mine belowing to me. I've seen people pricing
in a breakoup for Room and Dunze and says, well,
how do you justify that with all the other guys around?
And we're not even sure if Caleb Williams is good.
Travis Hunter is a wonderful player, but man Thomas was
so good last year. Hunter will do something on defense.
It's Football's hard. I know rookies have done more at

(01:42:49):
the receiver position in the last five to ten years,
and they ever did before. You know Randy Moss to
the side, But I think somebody's going to price in
what his eventual ceiling will be more to what it
might be his original year and a tight end. It's funny.
Jason Wood, one of your colleagues of football guys, who's
one of my favorite people in the industry, I find
myself really agreeing with his takes a ridiculous amount of
the time. He did draft Evan Ingram pretty early, relatively speaking,

(01:43:13):
in the Fantasy Index draft, and I realized Sean Payton,
we believe in him, and they have this joker role
outlined for Ingram. But when I see the yards per
catch in such a low spot, and Ingram's never really
been a touchdown guy. I don't think he'll be a
tight end all draft. It's very rare for me to
disagree with the Jason would take. But this is one
case with that's that's actually in play.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Okay, man, that was that was some fantasy goodness right there, everybody.
I hope you realize what a gem we have here
with Scott joining us this week. We've gone an hour
and you know, like I said, our fireside chats go
longer than that. Come out and hang out with us
in Canton. Every time I sit with Scott, I learned something,

(01:43:53):
and I learned a lot today, folks. It's June second.
We are going to change a lot of this, and
I'm gonna have Scott in the Patreon near the end
of the summer. We'll talk more auctions specific stuff and
how we're feeling about some of these takes at that point.
But right now, this has been a fantastic conversation. Scott.
Thank you again. I really appreciate you being here.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Oh Drew, it's my pleasure just you know, talking to
a good friend and trying to to me. You know,
the thing is the secret here is that you know,
essensibly we're doing this for the for the listeners and
the readers and all that, but I mean this stuff
just talking to you, and talking to Michael Selfino, and
talking to Jeff Erickson, and and talking to the people
I like and respect, you know, talking to Evid Silva,

(01:44:35):
whoever it is. You know, it makes us better, you know, everybody.
I you know again, I become I become a better
player when I pick your brain on something or I
get your take on something. And if we agree on something,
I feel stronger about it. If we disagree on something,
I realize I got to roll up my sleeves and
figure out what's going on and what have I overlooked
and all that stuff. And very healthy, by the way,

(01:44:57):
you know, that's that's one of the things you should
ask yourself, is what what do people disagree with me on?
You know what it's you know, because a lot of
times when you agree on stuff, you can maybe become
overconfident when you shouldn't be. But this was a blast.
I can't wait to do it in person, and you know,
I can't wait for the best time we get a
chance to do this, You'll record a conversation, and you know,
I just I just hope the listeners enjoyed this even

(01:45:18):
ten percent as much as I did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, man. So find him over on Twitter at
Scott Underscore p and Owski. That's Pete I A N
O W S K I. If you don't know Scott,
you need to so check out his work, check out
his Twitter presence. I always enjoyed talking with him anytime
he comes on. So this has been a great opening
to the summer. On this week's Discussions Withdrew Great, all right,

(01:45:51):
nice job, Scott Pianowski, Yahoo's Sports. He's always so much
fun to talk to, you know, Scott and I just
you can tell the love fest when we're having a
conver I just enjoy talking to him. He's just a
super smart dude, and he's always got something smart to say,
and he's got interesting insights into pop culture and things
like that. So I could go on about all that stuff,

(01:46:13):
but I know you're here for fantasy stuff and you've
been here for a while now. The show's getting on
the longside, and you know that's also an earmark of
the show, isn't it, folks, isn't it folks, Let's let
you get on with the rest of your life until
next Thursday's show. I believe we have Marcus Grant from
the NFL Network next week, and I'm stoked. I'm stoked

(01:46:37):
that the Auction Brief is back, and I hope you
guys are too. Don't forget to follow me on Twitter
at Drew Davenport FF, and don't forget about my patreon
the Fantasy Football Lawyer, as well as my TikTok Fantasy
Football Lawyer as well. Folks, thank you so much for
being here for another summer. I can't wait for the
summer because we are doing things a little bit differently
and I think that we're just going to take the

(01:46:59):
show into the next stretch and I'm hoping that the
audience continues to grow along with it. So thank you
again for being here. That's going to do it for
the first episode of the twenty twenty five summer. On
the Auction Brief, I am your host, Drew Davenport. Thank
you so much for being here. Your support means everything.
The Auction Brief is adjourned and I am out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
The Auction Brief is adjourned. That'll do it for this
week's episode. See you next time. On the auction brief

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