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August 8, 2025 29 mins
J.D. and Austin share a few more updates from the "Making Great Audio Drama" camp from the Audio Drama Institute.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Audio Theater Center. It's JD here for
our second on location update episode here at the bear
Trap Ranch for the Audio Drama Institute and the Making
Great Audio Drama event. Oh boy, here we are the
last night of ar I guess the last full day
Friday night. Things have just about wound down, probably getting

(00:25):
ready to go to bed here pretty soon here with
Austin Peachey, as with the last one in Austin. You're
holding in there.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'll talk a little bit later. I just
got back from a really really encouraging and surprising event.
So I sound sound a little bit I've been crying
a little business, but I actually have been.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
But it's a good thing. It's a good thing. But yeah,
it's been an incredible day so far.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So we teased last time we're going to talk a
little bit about the world premiere of the latest Heart
Matters audio drama. So we'll talk about that in just
a moment, but before we do that, we kind of
wanted to hit on some of the major interactions. I mean,
we said this last time, I believe, but all of
the interactions throughout the week have just been amazing. I

(01:14):
hate to use this term, but I'm struggling to find
another adequate one. But there is a synergy here, all
of the people coming together. I think I said this
last time too. We have the same purpose. We have
this passion for audio drama, and not just audio drama,
but making good audio drama that has a purpose, has
a meaning to it, right for sure. And you and

(01:37):
I have had this desire for years and that's why
we love this medium, that's why we love working on
Audio Theater Central. But to get to interact with people
that have that same kind of desire, it's I mean,
you can't beat it.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it's not just you know, meeting you know, you
know our celebrities, you know, like John Fornoffer, kay Lee
or Phil.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
But it just is much fun interacting.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
With new people that we haven't met before. Me knew
about a little bit before. But yeah, it's just been
so wonderful to have that connection. It feels like, you know,
people that you know, we've only known for a few days,
feel like we've known him a lot longer than that.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, before we move on, just want to say again,
if this is your first time checking out Audio Theater Central,
this is not a normal episode. This is an on
location recording, unscripted, unedited, and we're just sharing some highlights
from the event, like we've done for Sonicon and other
events in the past. So you might want to dive

(02:37):
into the back catalog and check out one of our
regular episodes for a little more traditional approach to what
we normally do here. But you know, there's been a
lot of people here that I've either met before or
knew of. Mitch North is one of them. A great
voice actor. It was great to actually finally meet him
in person. We've never really interacted all that much, though

(02:59):
I've seen him talked about out and see him in
credits of things. But it was great to meet him.
So we had a really good conversation about Lamplight or
Theater and some other shows and some of the work
that he's done. Last night, it was just hilarious. He
and another voice actor, David Abobbio, were going back and
forth doing these impersonations of US presidents. Oh wow, there,

(03:22):
it was cracking me up. It was absolutely hilarious. They're fantastic,
both of them. Mitch is amazing, So you know, that's
just one of the fun interactions. But I got to
have some really deep conversations with some people as well
as one of the teachers. One of my responsibilities is
to be available to do some one on one sessions
with attendees, and it's got me really excited about how

(03:45):
passionate people are about audio drama and they're wanting to
learn more, they're excited to get into this industry. So
that's just really got me excited. But some of my
favorite moments in terms of the interactions was getting to
just sit down and have a deep conversation with Kathy
Buchanan yesterday morning before breakfast, just to pick her brain

(04:08):
about writing and directing audio dramas. She's a fantastic writer,
and I haven't seen her on the job as a
director other than the sort of demonstration that they did
here at the camp, but you can tell just by
the results that she gets from the episodes that she's
directed that she knows what she's doing. And so just

(04:30):
to hear a little bit about her process, how she
interacts with the actors to get the result that she
wants and knows that the script deserves, really really interesting.
And then this morning, I believe it was the days
are all running together. I think I said that last
time too, but I got to have a really great
conversation with John Campbell and I felt like we really

(04:54):
connected and he was just so kind and generous before
he left it. He came over and gave me a
hug before he left, and it was just really great.
I mean, we met at the OGP. Of course, you know,
if you've been listening for a while, he's been on
the podcast before, so it wasn't our first time interacting.
We've emailed in the past before, but I felt like

(05:14):
we really got to actually sit down and have a conversation.
And so those are two of the highlights. I don't
want to steal the whole show, Austin, throw out a
couple for you.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah. I had a coaching session with Kathy Buchanan yesterday afternoon,
and I've had a story idea that's been rallying around
my brain for about a year or so now, and
it's one of the stories I have the ending, I
have like the last scene in mind, but not so much.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of the stuff leading up to it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So she gave me some really helpful advice about filling
in those gaps before that, making that ending be earned
in the story, and really really helped me a lot
with that. And I think one the funnest thing is, uh.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
The meals.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
We're not only getting really great, really great food, Beer
Trap rants Ranch Serve is really awesome food.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
It's delicious, but just as good as the.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Conversations around the table, you know, breaking bread and you know,
just talking about you know, Audi drama and then getting
to know each other and our life stories and our
history and things like that. And tonight I was talking with.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Pete fern All.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I think, yeah, I apologize if I'm mispronouncing it wrong.
And then Scott I can't remember his last name, Sours.
I think that sounds about right. We talked a little
bit about Odyssey and how how how Scott so I
listening to Odyssey and Tebaha Odyssey impacted us or moments
that made us cry, or things that we didn't like

(06:50):
or like or what or whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It was just fun having those kind of conversations like that.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
M Yeah, absolutely. And that's the other thing too. I
think we may mention this last time.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's a smaller group, much smaller than like a Sonicicon,
very much smaller than the OGP, But that's you know,
we actually get to know everybody's name. Like you you
pass somebody as you're going down the path, I'm like,
hey Sarah, Hey Lucas. You know, you know everybody's name.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And I'm pretty bad with names.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I've even without looking at people's name a tax I've
had a pretty good successive remembering people's names pretty quickly.
So that's that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So it's just been a The word this comes to
mind is a rich experience. I'm excited to see what
stories come out of this because I know there's going
to be right. We saw it with Sonicicon. I think
every single year that there was a Sonicon there were
projects that came out of it, or at least some collaborations.
And I know there's gonna be some really cool stuff

(07:54):
come out of this. And speaking of really cool stuff,
so Wednesday night, right, Wednesday night, yep? So Austin, you
hosted a session where you did a listening party world premiere.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Of The Potion of Power? Is that right? Yep?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
So this is a fantasy epic story about an hour long.
And this is the longest release so far.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right or first for like a single one Princess it.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Was a multi episode.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, this is probably the longest like single singles.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Lifetime was pretty close though, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Think Lifetime was round fifty five minutes. That's run fifty
one minutes.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Okay, so pretty close.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But it is one of the longer ones so far.
And we're going to talk a little bit about that.
Do you want to share anything about how that came
to be or you know, briefly, or or do we
want to just jump right into it.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, yeah, I actually didn't have the idea of a
Christy Jiardeau, the executive producer for the Idromas and my
supervisor at Heart Matters, which like, hey you could see
if maybe you could premier personal power, Like it didn't
enter my mind to have it happen. So I reached
out to John Thornoff and he was gracious enough to
gives the platform for that and a little bit nerve
racking for me. I'm not wanted to get in front

(09:05):
of people. I'm not kind of nervous, but everybody made
me feel really really comfortable and welcome, and yeah, it
turned out really great. But I want to hear JD.
I know you didn't hear some of the early scenes
that you heard most of it.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
What was your thoughts on it.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, so let me set this up because we had
a teacher's meeting and it went long.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
It was not intended.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I was planning to be there for the whole session,
and I have.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Like most events here, but you just like start laying.
But it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
That has been a theme along with the theme of death. Yeah,
there's an inside joke for those who have been attending here.
But yeah, so I couldn't leave. I needed to stay
there to keep that you know, uh, you know, take
care of that stuff. But I got by the time
I got up there, I had I think I missed

(09:54):
the first few scenes. So originally I had thought about
actually doing an initial react action like I do for
ATC backstage, giving you a little glimpse, but I don't
think it's fair for me to try to do that
without having heard the entire show, because, to be frank,
I was a little bit lost when I first arrived
because I'm you know, I'm jumping in mid scene having

(10:16):
not the full context of what had come previously. So
I was just trying to track with what was going on.
So we'll try to do a semi initial reaction. So
this is a little taste of what you would get
if you were a member of ATC Backstage subscribe today. Yeah,
so Potion of Power? Am I okay to share credits

(10:36):
and stuff? Austen all right, So, if you haven't checked
out The Heart Matters app lately, this this audio drama.
It did premiere here, but it is available now for
the public, so you can go listen right after you
hear this episode in The Heart Matters app again called
The Potion of Power. It's a fantasy story and it
was written by Christopher Green. And I'm going to say
this even though Christopher is a friend, we're collaborators on

(10:59):
Green Tails and all kinds of other projects. So take
it for what it's worth. But this is a genuine opinion.
This is one of the best things I've ever heard
from Christopher in terms of writing. I think he did
a fantastic job and performances. My goodness. Will get a
little bit more into that in a moment, but I

(11:21):
was blown away by some of the moments of these
these amazingly talented voice actors. As with a typical initial reaction,
this is you know, I don't write down notes, well typically,
I mean sometimes I might jot down something that I
want to make sure to mention, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
It's not a full fledged review.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I haven't thought through all all of the things. Later
that's true too, Yeah, so it's just kind of off
the top of the head, first gut reaction to hearing
a piece for the first time. So in that first listen,
there were a couple of tiny, little niggly things. There

(12:03):
was one particular bit of dialogue where a character says
something about moving from a in a war, in a
battle scenario, they moved from the trenches to the front lines.
And I'm not a battle strategist, I'm not a you know,
a war tactics expert, but my understanding is that the

(12:28):
trenches are pretty much part of the front lines most
of the time in most wars and battles. So that
line kind of pulled me out for a minute because
it felt a little bit off. And there was another one,
but I forgot what it was. But aside from that,
I thought the script was really strong. The characters were interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
There was just some really I mean, I love fantasy stories.
I've talked about this on the show before. We recently
did an entire episode dedicated to the Road to Quay Luma,
and I know that that's not everybody's cup of tea,
but I think this one was like, Yeah, it's light
enough to not be one that you've got to follow

(13:17):
all these different races or different types of creatures and
all that stuff. It's not that deep of fantasy, so
I think it could appeal to a broader audience space.
So I liked that aspect of it. And we're not
going to spoil it because I think you need to
go listen to it for yourself. But it is an
extremely powerful allegory or metaphor whatever term you want to use,

(13:41):
which I thought was handled really well and it really
hit home to me in some personal ways. I don't
want to share the specifics there, but I thought Christopher
really really nailed that aspect of it. In terms of
production values. The post production was shared by Christopher Green

(14:03):
as the voice track editor and then Ben Kemp doing
the sound design, and my goodness, again, I've worked with
Ben before, so you know, take this for what it's worth.
He's worked on Greenhorn Tails, but I thought his sound
design was spectacular. The battle scenes, like there's a lot
going on and it's really easy to have the sound
design overpower and just get too muddy and noisy.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
And I thought he did a really great job.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
He blew me away. He totally surprised me, Like when
did Ben get this good?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Like anything?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
It was good and this is like epically good.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, I was extremely impressed with the production values. And
the music score was done by Jared deepest Wall. Now,
you know, as I said yesterday, we're holding our sessions
in a sort of little chapel type of building, and
the sound system is not necessarily set up for catching
all the nuance and details of a sound design and

(14:56):
the musical score. So some of that was lost a
little bit in the in the in the speaker system.
But I'm definitely gonna go give it another listen. We
know that Jared does amazing music, so I'm looking forward
to giving that another listen. And so, you know, in
terms of production values and the different elements of the story,

(15:18):
thought it was really really good. One one minor thing,
and I already mentioned this to you, Austin, one of
the actors voice tracks sounded a tad bit off.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know, you're doing the stuff remote.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
We know that sometimes that that kind of thing happens,
but you know, it still sounded really, really good. So
let's let's briefly talk about the performances. So we had
We'll just talk about the.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Three main characters.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So we have we have Marlowe played by Daniel Cross
bro Daniel, if you're listening, you nailed that. It sounded
so good, phenomenal performance. Rachel Marley Corral as one of
our main characters. And then we had Craig Hart as
a character just called the Stranger. And also Craig, if

(16:03):
you're listening, my goodness, you blew me away with that performance.
As I stepped into the room and was just trying
to catch up with what was going on, and I
was hearing this voice, and I'm like, who in the
world is that? I can typically pick out who these
actors are. I nailed Daniel's voice right away, but I
was struggling with it, and finally I leaned over to

(16:25):
Betsy Nicholson from Triple Chord Productions, who was sitting in
the road right in front of me, and.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
I said, I think that's Craig Hart.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
She said, maybe it is, but my goodness, that's one
of the best performances I've heard from Craig so far,
really really thought he did a fantastic job. So I've
been rambling on a lot here, Austin, but kudos to
you man, because you put together a great, great show.

(16:52):
I think it's really really well done.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well thank you. It's very kind of you, and really
it couldn't have happened without the amazing team that made
it happen.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I was blown away by the story and like the
acting and some of that some of that music. It was, Yeah,
it was pretty incredible and it was it was really
fun for me. So I don't you don't normally get
this because usually like if you put something out there
on the internet or whatever, you'll ask for feedback or
like you might get you back like oh that's really

(17:21):
good or whatever. But seeing people's reactions like laughing at
certain lines or lik maybe maybe maybe like a small
gasp or like just looking at their face or whatever,
like oh where is this going kind of thing, like
we kind of trying to read their thoughts kind of
thing with that, and then they're very gracious they they've

(17:41):
seen it, really seen to really enjoy and hearing some
comments from people. And John Thornoff too, he was he
was very gracious grace with that and which about some
of the themes in it, and some people talked about
how like they really appreciate it. And I remember so
I mentioned how because of the message of the story,
it gave them home and that for me, For me,
that was my favorite piece of feedback from last night,

(18:04):
was it gave someone hope, like there is I'm not
gonna spoil the story, but you know, there is an
opportunity of hope. And even though this is a fantasy,
you know truth, truth is is real no matter where
what kind of story it's Andy John for not talk
about a lot right truth and I and I'm glad

(18:27):
that people picked up on that, and I'm so glad
that they enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
It was a great show, and I'm looking forward to
having a chance to actually sit down and listen to
it in some good headphones or on my speakers at home.
But also I wanted to say real quickly that on
the first day, the first full day, I did speak
for just a couple of minutes as all the teachers
gave a little bit of an introduction, a little bit

(18:54):
of an introduction to the rest of the members or
the the attendees, and then I participated in a Q
and A panel.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
I think it was Wednesday or Thursday.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yesterday, okay, Thursday, but I hadn't actually done a full
session on my own until today, and so that was
I think it went pretty well. I think it is
a topic. We talked about marketing and distribution and monetization
and things that audio drama producers who were just getting

(19:27):
started they need to know that kind of stuff. So yeah,
we talked a lot about the creative side all the
rest of the week and now it's time to dive
into like the business and the more boring side of
the of things today. But I got some good feedback.
A lot of people seem to really think it was helpful,
so that that made me feel good because you know,
it's not the most exciting topic to cover.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I think it did a really good job. Like
it was a little bit different field than some of
the other classes because I think one, it was like
a lot of information people didn't know about. And also
I hope not this case with me, like people thinking
oh oh no, like is that like me? Like, you know,
it's good to have these ideas like okay, like oh
I'm gonna make a lot of money on this or

(20:11):
that kind of stuff, like you know, that might have
burst somebody's bubbled. But it's better to find out about
these things now when you're starting out and trying to
go along and then be disappointed later by that. But
I think it was really helpful. There's a lot there's
I've talked with you quite a bit about this kind
of stuff, but there was quite a bit of stuff
that I didn't know about our services or tools, orything
like that, or things I'd forgotten about that really helped

(20:32):
me out. So I'm sure it was very beneficial to everybody.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
That's good to hear. I am a nerd.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
If you know me, you know that I like I
liked finding tech tools and different websites and apps and
stuff that you can use to help you in your
your online content creation efforts. And so that was my goal,
is to give everybody a few tools that they can
add to their arsenal and figure out mixing metaphors their
tools and arsenal. No again, lack of sleep brain going

(21:03):
on here, but anyway, I think that went went pretty well.
And so now the last step of our audio drama
that we've been producing this entire week was this morning,
John Campbell did the final mix on this episode, which
was interesting. I just want to briefly touch on this
because we're going a little bit long, But you know,
we did the editing of the script, we did the

(21:26):
casting and the recording and the sound design, and then
yesterday John composed the score, and then today because Todd
busted sound designer had to leave early, John Campbell, a composer,
actually did the final mix, which was really really cool
to show you know, I can do this. I have
experience with this, even though it's not typically what I
would do. It would usually go back to the sound

(21:46):
designer to do that, but he showed he's competent and
he knows how to do that kind of thing, and
it just kind of was a great example, an unintended,
unintentional thing to show the students here, the more you know,
the more valuable you are. And so I thought that
was really cool. So tomorrow we'll actually get to sit
down as as a whole group and listen to the

(22:07):
final finished product.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
That's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's gonna be a great I don't think we mentioned
this yesterday, but the script is called ninety nine Sheep.
It's it's hilarious and again that will be released to
the public soon and we will definitely let you know
when that's available so you can check it out. I
think you're going to really enjoy it. So Austin, tell
me about this. This last session that you went to,
I was not feeling great, so I decided I'm just

(22:32):
gonna hang out in the library here and wait for
this last session and then we'll record this this podcast.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
So I don't know what happened. Let us know.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, well, there's been a couple of instances where we
have some optional bonus events that you know, it's not
part of the schedule and people want to do what
they can. But tonight after supper, John Thornoff I was
gonna let us hear an eight minute sample of the
surround Bible project that he's been working on, and uh,

(23:04):
severals went up there and he told us a little
backstory on how this came to be and things like
that and some behind the scenes stuff, and then he played.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
It for us.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And I don't think I know you played part of
it on an NATC episode. I don't know how many
episodes ago, but I hadn't heard the whole thing. I'd
either forgotten or didn't think to you or something to
listen to the whole thing on the website, which I
think it's all on the website, but yeah, Like, he
also showed us the new logo that was designed for

(23:34):
the for the project, so we were the first ones
to see it besides John and the person that designed it.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
But he played the sample for us.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And this is one fun thing because usually when you're
listening to something audio, you're, usually, like me, multitasking or
driving or whatever. But I said, this opportunity, and I
think other people did.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Some of the people did. I don't know that some
of the people did too, like to kind of just
close your eyes and just listen.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, And as we got through is the I think
it's the last Gospel of John, I think.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
And I started hearing up.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
People around me started tearing up, and it was very
emotional and spiritual experience. And then after that, John took
like feedback of comments from us and questions about the
project and stuff like that, and yeah, I think everybody's
really really moved moved by it. He told some of
the miracles of God has already done for the project already,

(24:30):
and our friend Betsy Nicholson. She had the idea of
all of us gathering around John and praying for him
in this project. So we all took turns praying for him.
And you know what I mean, I'm tearing.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I'm not just thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
But God's presence was so there, like through like listen
to the sample and then praying together and gathered around
there and we've been saying even single worship song near
the end too.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
But it was.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I mean, it's a little bit different than like the
classes that we've been having, our other interactions that really
this has been.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
That was one of my favorite events, like because it's.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Like this is kind of near the end of the
camp and that's sad. Do you see everyone going I've
already had had to leave for various reasons, but that
moment they are of that connection with each other and
with God and just seeing how like what God can
do with the surround Bible, but the things that we'll

(25:37):
be working on after leaving here. It was, Yeah, it
was beautiful, and I mean, it's it's one of the
favorite things, my favorite things that's happened at this camp.
There's been so many different surprises or some things that happened,
but this one was like God showed up at camp
and I We've had devote we get have devotions, I

(25:57):
think almost every morning. I haven't been able to go
to all of them. Every one I've been to this
has been really helpful and encouraging. But this is like
this was God's event tonight.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
That's cool. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, if you missed when we talked about the surround
Bible in a previous episode, it has been quite some time.
I don't remember exactly what it was, but it's been
a while. So this is a word for word recording
of the Bible, but completely dramatized out there. They're doing
some things that haven't been done quite in the same
way before, and so it's a really cool project. John

(26:29):
is really passionate about it. He's he's really excited about
this project. So do you remember the name the website?
Is it surround Bible dot org dot com. Check the
episode description. It will be there if you want to
learn more about that. But I think we'll wrap up here.
Thank you for listening to this. We did go a

(26:50):
little bit longer than yesterday, but uh, it's just been
a great time. And if you are looking to get
into audio drama production, go over to Audio Drama Institute
dot com or.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Is it dot org.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I know it's I was just teasing, but yeah, dot
com and uh, you know, learn about what they're doing.
And I think they have an email sign up. I
at least I told John he needed to do that.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
But you know, check it out.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
And when there's a next event, they're tried, excuse me,
They're going to try to make sure this this happens again.
So I think this is probably one of the best
opportunities to get your foot in the business and and
figure out what it's all about. How to make great
audio drama. And we said that yesterday too, and not
just subpar stuff, because if you don't know what you're doing,

(27:44):
you're just gonna be spinning your wheels and not really
gain any traction and you're gonna to get discouraged. So
learning from these masters we mentioned him, Phil and John
and Kathy and and the other John, John c and Todd,
you know, and whoever else they might bring in future events,

(28:05):
There's just there's just no other better way in my opinion.
So I think we'll wrap it up. Thank you Austin
for joining me. For these two episodes, we'll we might
we might talk a little bit more about what happened
this week in a future episode when we get back
in the studio, have a little more time to prep.
But this has been great, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, it's it's been a lot of fun. You got
to come if this happens again, you do not want
to miss it. This is one of the best experiences
of my life.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And if you're not really interested in the production side
of things, you're you're just an audio drama fan, not
just we need fans of audio drama otherwise who's gonna
listen to our stuff? But if you're more on the
fans side of things, you can be excited too, because
there's gonna be some really cool stuff coming from the
people that have been at this at this event. So

(28:58):
all right, I'll be quiet now, but thank you for listening,
and we'll talk to you soon.
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