June 25, 2025 • 46 mins
Welcome to The Awakening Show with your host, Tina Huggins! Today, we have two incredible guests, Deanna Coyle and Mandy Pullen Barr, the dynamic co-founders of Vesta: A New Vision for Divorce. With their expertise and personal experiences, Deanna and Mandy are here to share their mission of transforming the divorce journey by providing empowering resources and support for individuals navigating life during and after divorce.
Together, they offer a fresh perspective on divorce through their Divorce Concierge Service where they blend education, inspiration, and humor. Tune in for a conversation filled with valuable insights that can help you take control of your journey and thrive after divorce. Let’s dive in and awaken to a new vision for divorce!
More about Deanna and Mandy:
Deanna Coyle is an entrepreneur, speaker, and writer, and Co-Founder of Vesta: A New Vision for Divorce, where she leads events and provides trusted resources to empower individuals during and after divorce. With over 20 years of financial experience, including seven years as a securities analyst on Wall Street, Deanna offers expert guidance. She holds an MBA from Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth and is a Chartered Financial Analyst. Deanna co-hosts the Dishing on Divorce podcast with Mandy Barr, offering education, inspiration, and humor. She lives in Denver, CO, and enjoys kayaking, skiing, Pilates, cooking, and traveling.
Cell: 508-333-3191, Email: DCoyle@VestaDivorce.com and Website: VestaDivorce.com
Mandy Pullen Barr is a Concierge Specialist and Strategic Managing Partner at Vesta, where she helps clients navigate the complexities of divorce. With over five years of experience, Mandy offers personalized support, connecting clients to trusted professionals and crafting tailored plans. She serves on the board of The Sparrow Collective, empowering women during divorce. Mandy also hosts the Dishing on Divorce podcast and is co-author of two bestselling books. Outside of work, she enjoys spending time with her husband, Dave, and their blended family, playing golf, pickleball, and relaxing with favorite shows.
Cell: (877) 355-7649, Email: abarr@vestadivorce.com and Website: VestaDivorce.com
Together, they offer a fresh perspective on divorce through their Divorce Concierge Service where they blend education, inspiration, and humor. Tune in for a conversation filled with valuable insights that can help you take control of your journey and thrive after divorce. Let’s dive in and awaken to a new vision for divorce!
More about Deanna and Mandy:
Deanna Coyle is an entrepreneur, speaker, and writer, and Co-Founder of Vesta: A New Vision for Divorce, where she leads events and provides trusted resources to empower individuals during and after divorce. With over 20 years of financial experience, including seven years as a securities analyst on Wall Street, Deanna offers expert guidance. She holds an MBA from Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth and is a Chartered Financial Analyst. Deanna co-hosts the Dishing on Divorce podcast with Mandy Barr, offering education, inspiration, and humor. She lives in Denver, CO, and enjoys kayaking, skiing, Pilates, cooking, and traveling.
Cell: 508-333-3191, Email: DCoyle@VestaDivorce.com and Website: VestaDivorce.com
Mandy Pullen Barr is a Concierge Specialist and Strategic Managing Partner at Vesta, where she helps clients navigate the complexities of divorce. With over five years of experience, Mandy offers personalized support, connecting clients to trusted professionals and crafting tailored plans. She serves on the board of The Sparrow Collective, empowering women during divorce. Mandy also hosts the Dishing on Divorce podcast and is co-author of two bestselling books. Outside of work, she enjoys spending time with her husband, Dave, and their blended family, playing golf, pickleball, and relaxing with favorite shows.
Cell: (877) 355-7649, Email: abarr@vestadivorce.com and Website: VestaDivorce.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello and welcome to my show The Awakening here on WGSNDB,
the Going Bold and Going Solo Network. The information and
opinions expressed on this show are just that, the opinions
of the individuals speaking based on their individual personal experiences.
They are not intended to diagnose and do not constitute
(00:48):
professional advice or recommendations. So you know the people and
the pain of divorce, the stress that the divorcing people
go through, and the struggles both men and women deal
with in their divorce, Well, there is a way to
find sanity and assist the lawyer in the legal process,
saving thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
My name's Tina Huggins.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm your divorce coach specialist, divorce planning specialist, restarative family mediator, and.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Conflictual co parenting coach. And that's my job.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And today I am graced with two of the most
wonderful human beings in the world of divorce. We're graced
here with Mandy Polar Bar and Diana Cole and they
are the driving force behind behind Vesta Divorce and I
am excited for our conversation today, ladies. So welcome and
thank you for being here with me.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Thank you so much, Tina. What a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
What a warm welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thanks, It's it truly is my pleasure to have you guys.
Because I was a member of VESTA for a little
while and be because of stuff, I ended up backing
away from VESTA for a little while. And Mandy and
I have been working on the Colorado VESTA team, trying
to get that VESTA team up, and I'm super excited
(02:11):
because I'm planning on being the divorce coach.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And that team.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So I will kind of let you guys tell me,
tell our viewers what Vesta Divorce is and how it works.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I think it's best coming from Deanna. See. Yeah,
it's really her brainchild.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yes, and I recently moved to Colorado. I moved into
a condo and Denver this last weekend. I love it here,
but I was living in Massachusetts when I went through
divorce and started VESTA. So I went through a very
challenging divorce that was finalized around fourteen years ago, and
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it was unfortunately the divorce was very expensive. Contention, I
had young children at the time, I had given up
a high paying job to be a stay at home mom,
and I had no idea where to turn what to do,
and I did what a lot of people are told
to do. I hired an attorney and luckily she was
an amazing attorney, and I proceeded to use her for
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all my different things instead of having a wonderful divorce
coach like U Tina and having a certified divorce financial
analysts and the right professionals in the right areas. So
that was one of the things I could have done better.
But what it did was brought me to start these
programs and we've been doing these programs for over ten years.
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We have webinars that people can attend that cover different
topics that are very informative. Mandy and I are in
the concier years, so we talk to people every day.
We've talked to thousands of people who are thinking about
or going through a divorce and help guide them. And
that's been incredibly rewarding investor has helped over ten thousand
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people at this point. So I've been very lucky to
be able to take something that was such a challenging
time in my life but actually brought me to a
great place and be able to help others do the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Awesome. So, Mandy, kind of tell a little bit of
your story.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, So I a fun fact when VESTA was kind
of in this like incubation phase of being developed, Deanna
and I actually worked together at Sentinel Financial Group. I
was helping them with some marketing, and so I was
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there when Vesta was born. So it really feels very
special to me to be able to see it thirteen
years later and how it has evolved and changed. But
unfortunately I was nobody wants me playing with their money, Tina,
So I was not going to go down the track
of being a financial advisor. So I stepped away for
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a couple of years and went back into my first career,
which was the was a lunch lady. I was the
lunch lady. I mean food service management, but I like
to say I was a lunch lady because I can
sing the Adam Sandlers song. Anyways, five and a half
almost yeah, five and a half years ago, that's just
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started to grow. And Deanna reached back out, well, we
were very good friends by this point, but reached back
out and said, hey, you know, we really could use
some support. Vesta is growing. And I was definitely getting
completely fried out pun not intended here as like just
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working in food service. I was just it's just bananas.
If anyone, if you've ever worked in a kitchen before,
and yeah, and it was just it was amazing. It
was such an easy transition and it has been from
like the moment I became part of the organization again,
I knew I wanted to do the work in the
concierge because because that's really the soul work, being able
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to connect with people on a one on one basis
and they allow you to hear their story and you know,
you can create a roadmap for them to help get
to their like their best beyond whatever that may be
for them. And it's really such an honor to be
able to watch people's journey and watch them evolve, and
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you know, be able to connect them to amazing resources
like you so they can begin to heal and build
their team.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, and I know, like investor.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
When I first got involved in VESTA was on one
of the outside tiers, and I would go to some
of the meetings with all of the people that didn't
like where Colorado is sitting right now, where they don't
have an actual team yet in Colorado, and I got
to meet some really wonderful people who I still.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Communicate with now.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But what I enjoyed is is that we had invested.
We had you know, one month that one of us
was in charge, and so the months that our financial
people were in charge, I loved to listen to what
they had to say because what they had to say
helped me learn how to backed my clients to the
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CDFA or the money manager or how that, because we
needed to know which was the best fifty to fifty
split of the monies that were in different pots.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's such a common thing that
professionals will say that the team around them makes them
a better you know, divorce coach, a tourney mediator, you know,
insert profession here because they get to hear the other
professionals speak as well as they have this team that
they can rely on and be able to refer their
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clients to if they need assistants.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And they can focus on what they do best as well. Right,
my poor attorney, you know, trying to act as a
therapist or financial advisor when you know that really wasn't
her her forete and also she was a very expensive ones. Right.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say, that's the most expensive therapist
you can.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Have, right, right, and the most untrained, do you know exactly? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's one of the things when I come in to
work with people that their biggest concern is, well, team,
what do you mean a divorce team?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I have to spend money on all of you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's like, you know, it's it's important for them to
know that the divorce team is to support them as.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They go through that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But you don't have to have every one of the
professionals' best at supports on that team. And in some cases,
like in my clients, my specific clans, they need to
have a litigative lawyer.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And that is one of the things that I.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like about Vesta is that when we had our meetings,
we didn't have just one. We had a litigative and
then we had a lawyer that served as the traditional
lawyer or worked in a different aspect that wasn't in
the conflictual side, which is awesome because not every divorce
needs a conflictual type of attorney.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Right, Yeah, because you specialize in that high conflict space
where your clientele really needs to have that voice for
them because there's been a power and balance in the marriage.
And I have people say a lot too, you know,
oh I already I have an attorney. I'm paying them
so much already, I don't have any money to hire
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anyone else. But really, when you have a divorce coach.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
When you have a certified divorce financial analyst, a realtor
that specializes in divorce helping you, you're actually able to
go through the process more efficiently, less expensively, Yeah, with
less stress.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I loved working with the attorneys that I worked with
on my team, and when I was in Massachusetts, if
the lawyers were just very good at what they did,
I think every one of us were very good at
what we did. Because VESTA vetted us. We didn't come
in with check marks in bad places. We came in
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with stars because of the vetting process of VESTA.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So Deana, can you kind of explain that process? Yes?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely, we as soon after VESTA was started we realized
the importance of vetting our professionals and doing it in
a more structured way. So it starts off with your
conversation or someone attending one of our interested professional webinars,
and then we have interviews. They fill out a lengthy,
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as you know, a link application that really helps us
get to know the professional better and really one of
the most important things Mandy and I like to find
out it's somebody's why, what really makes you passionate about
what you do, And most of our professionals have had
some experience with divorce, either themselves or someone close to them,
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so they can really understand what it's like. So when
someone's talking to them, they could like they know that
that person understands and has been in their shoes before.
And then there's a background check, so it's a process
where people are vetted and when people who are looking
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for resources and professionals, to know that we have that
process in place makes them feel a lot better about
knowing that they're trusted professionals. And the vetting process, it's
not just professionals who are really good in their field,
because we want them to obviously to have that expertise,
but also the kindness, the karen, the compassion that it's
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so important to people who are going through such a
stressful time, and the passion, right, the passion of helping
people through that situation.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah. And I think the other big is the collaborative
nature of the profession. Do they like to work in
a team environment? Do they like to lean on other
experts when when necessary? I know, specifically one one client
that you worked with, Tina, the attorney who also supported her,
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She told me, I don't want to work with people
unless they have a divorce coach, because they're organized. They're like,
they come to me ready to do, you know, the
legal work, They've processed their emotional divorce with, you know,
with with Tina, and you know, they're organized and they're
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ready to go. And I think that that's just such
a testament to you know, everybody staying in their lane.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, and it's super important. I know that a lot
of people think that hiring a divorce coach and an
attorney is just extra money. But in the reality, like
I had one client and I just put a post
together on this specific clant, he the emotions ran overboard,
and his ex took one hundred and twenty plus thousand
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dollars out of their bank account, and they didn't find
it right away, and then as soon as he found it,
he would run to his attorney with all this distress,
and he spent three years and one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars to find out only that she took the
one hundred and twenty thousand dollars and used it as
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living expenses.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's not what really happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But he didn't have the best legal team for his situation.
He needed a different attorney as his attorney. This was
a additional collaborative type family attorney, and he needed a
litigative attorney.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So after his divorce was.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Over, he came to me and it took us just
around eighteen months. And it took he and I nine
months of getting his foundation pieces relayed because they were in.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Such a disarray. So he and I worked for nine months.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then I went out and found him. I think one
of the very best attorneys I've ever worked with, and
he's there in Colorado Springs. He's the one that I
keep referring to that I haven't been able to talk
to because of a situation dealing with my late husband.
Actually in the whole process of this, he spent he spent,
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or excuse me, he saved. I was able to go
through and look at what he was spending on his attorney.
He saved one hundred thousand dollars, Yeah, paying for me
and the attorney. I went out and helped him find
so so it's a point of saving them time. That's
where a lot of the money is saved. If you
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get rid of the emotions and you deal with it
like we say, get married with our heart and divorce
with their head.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Ah, yes, do that, then we've saved our money.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yep, yep. And I think those case studies are so
important right to really help people understand and see it
in black and white, because it's it's counterintuitive to what
you know, what you would what you would think.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, definitely, But all of this, you know, happens because
of Vesta Divorce and other companies like you.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But Vesta has it's been there the longest.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It it's very strong, it's got a great foundation. I
love the way that you vet so your organization specifically
has all of this knowledge that people can go out
and just sit and listen to.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
All the knowledge. Right, he doesn't have to be Colorado's or.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Massachusetts or South Carolina's, it can be any of them,
and they can get a list of questions that they
can go to that divorce coach with and ask questions.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Now, yep, absolutely yeah. One of the things that Deanna
and I have put together recently was this divorce Interview Guide,
because we do think it's important that people interview, you know,
a couple of attorneys, a couple of cdfas a couple
of coaches to really make sure that whoever you're bringing
onto your team is the right person and is an
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alignment to your values and you know your goals. But
people like time and time again, would say I had
my consultation, but I didn't know what to ask. I
didn't know what questions to ask. So we put together
this guide as just a helpful tool for individuals so
that they don't they can use that free consultation wisely.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Right, And some people also are you know, paid for consultations.
I had to who came to Vesta and it was
an attorney outside of Vesta, but they said they paid
a lot of money for an hour of time with
them and that they only used it half an hour
of the time that they paid for because they ran
out of questions, so she bought our interview guy. But
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we've had people all these years asking because when we
connect them to professionals, they say, I don't even know
what questions to ask, or I want to make sure
I'm really prepared so I can make best use of
my time with them.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I know that having been a part of VESTA. When
I have struggled, I've gotten a hold of Mandy and
I say, Mandy, I need a lawyer, a litigative lawyer
in this area, because if I'm going to refer somebody,
I would rather refer a vetted VESTA and than a
random person I go and kind of research on my own,
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because you guys have already done that research.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Right right, Yeah, No, I think that that is you know,
it's helpful to our community, and it's helpful to our
professionals so that you're not, you know, kind of scrambling
as well as if you know you have a situation
where you have a client that's in a different state,
being able to say, hey, do we have somebody in
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Illinois that can support this client? Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
M And that's one of the things that I've enjoyed
being able to get a hold of you, Mandy, and
and just know that you if there is a lawyer
in that area, that one that you will get me
that lawyer's name and contact information. But most importantly that
I know they're vetted. I know that they already have
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compassion and that they're already good at what they do,
because you guys have already checked them out. And you're
the first one when I have that question, You're the
first one I get a hold of.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't get lucky enough to talk with Deanna as
often as I. You can always reach.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Out to me, Tina. I always have myself phone on me.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I I love the fact that I can reach out
to you and get of vetted.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's tell my clients too, this is a lawyer
that's been vetted by Vesta Divorce.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, no, thank you so much. And you know, we
also lean on you guys as well because you because
you do take clients you know, all over the country,
really the globe. You know, we have cases where we'll
have individuals and this is you know, COVID did a
lot of things, but one of the things that it
did do for us is it really allowed us to
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help spread our message wider by you know, using being
able to leverage the you know, zoom webinars. So we
have folks coming from all over that you know, we
may not have you know, we may not have a
hub yet in a location, but we know that you
you gals and guys have connections all over the place.
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So knowing that we can also lean on you as
well for people that you've worked with and that you
would vouch for, it's definitely a partnership which I so appreciate.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, and the attorney that's in Colorado Springs, he's I've
had him with a couple of clients already and he
is just rockstar. All my clients are like, hey, hey,
you know, and I struggle with trying to find him
on any of the platforms because that's not his forte.
He's a legal nerd, and that is exactly how I
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explain him.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He's a legal nerd.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
When you talk to him about anything other than legal,
he fumbles through his words and come across like he
knows much about obviously the topic because.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
He spends he spends so much time just on his
legal practice.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it definitely does take a special
person to be able to present well on the webinars
because you're talking to yourself, you know, because we maintained
the privacy of the attendees. So it's like, oh, how
do I look? Do I have any spinch on my teeth?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So one of the things that I do, I do
want you to explain is that I know when you
would make referrals to me, it would come with all
of the concierge information. Could one of you explain what
that phone call is like from beginning to end?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Sure, I since I built the concierge team and Mandy's
been amazing and the concierge team with us, I knew
she'd be so awesome. It's really so. I think in
the beginning of the phone call, I always just start
by saying, you know, I went through a very challenging
divorce that was finalized fourteen years ago, and you know
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all the mistakes that I made, I knew there had
to be a better way, and so I put together
these programs that help people get through it in a
better way. But so I just tell people I've been
through it and what my passion is to help people.
I tell people that I'm so lucky now that I'm
on the other side and living a wonderful life. And
my kids, who were young at the time are grown.
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So I share just enough so that they're like, wow,
she's been through this, She's on the other side. And
they can tell when they talk to me Andy and
Me and our other concierge specials, they can tell that
we care because we truly do. And also, I think
it's important that we explain to them, you know, how
VESTA is set up, because people are so well not trusting, right,
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Like they're going through divorce and the person they trusted
most now is you know, the person that they're having
this conflict with or however they're going through it. Even
if it's amicable, you still have your own, you know,
side in terms of what you're looking for. And then
we find out about them, like what is your situation,
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and we tell them what they tell us is confidential.
I think that's really important. And then also when we
do share, you know, with the information that we get,
when we share it with the professionals, we get their
permission and I've actually never had anyone say no, because
I say, you're going to have this time, and it's
often complimentary. Most of our professionals offer an initial complimentary consultation,
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and you don't want to have to spend you know,
the majority of your call going through your backstory. So
and anything that you or I tell the professionals is
also confidential. So that makes everything a lot easier because
then they can go to you. You have more information
on them and their situation, and they don't have to
go through that again. But I think the fact that
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they know that we have the experience, we've been through
it ourselves, we've been building VESTA for thirteen years, and
that we truly care and we have their best interests
at heart. In the concenters don't have any services that
we're looking for them to hire us for, and we
don't get referral fees. So as soon as people know,
oh you're you're neutral, you're not benefiting from whatever I
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take from this call, then they say, you know, just
tell me what to do because you you know what
you're talking about, and I can tell that.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You care, mm yeah, and your two cents on that, manny.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, No. I I echo everything that that she says.
I agree that there needs to be a level of
you know into me. You see, so we're we're it's
we're establishing an intimate relationship with strangers, and if we
want them to share with us with their heart, you know,
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we have to share a little bit about our story
and what we you know, what we went through and
the mistakes that we made, and why we're so passionate
about what we do as professionals. And yeah, no, I
haven't had. What I have had is professionals say I'm
not professionals. The our clients say, you know, I'm not
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quite ready to meet with Tina yet, but could you
send me her information because I'd like to read up
on her on the website, or I'd like to check
out her website, And you know, we're obviously always happy
to do that, and then when they're ready, we would
make that warm introduction or even better, you know, book
the appointment for them on the calendar, and you know,
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because we don't want anyone to feel rushed. And I
like to tell people that we work at their pace.
Sometimes people call with their pants on fire and they
need somebody right away. And then some people are still
in the contemplating stage and they just need that space
and grace to work through it at their own pace.
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And I think that Dean and I both always start with,
you know, be working with a coach to help you,
you know, determine are you ready. And I've actually, you know,
seen where sometimes a coach will saying, you know what,
you're not quite ready for me. You really need to
be in discernment or you really need to be working
with a therapist and kind of like bringing the client
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back to you know, where they're at, and then we're
meeting them at that spot. I just think that that's
really important.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I do think that that's important. And I know
that the people that have that you have referred to
me because because we work in the divorce arena, those
people a lot of times need days, weeks and months
before they hire anybody because they're so scared because there's
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just and so being able to reach out to the
concierge and have a kind listening ear that's letting them
vent really helped.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I know that when you send me the.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Notes, I know, as if I was on that phone
with you, exactly what's going on with that client. So
when I reach out to them, I can reach out
with the compassion that they need and touch base. And
it's many of those clients come in and they'll.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hire us as professionals.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then and then later it's time to hire the
tree or the CDFA, and so then we go back
to the concierge.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I go back.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
In my case, I was always dealing with you, Mandy
on that, and so I'd say, okay, now it's time
for whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Right right? Yeah, And that is one of the things
that when people are like I don't really know where
to start, where to go, I'm like, okay, well what
keeps you up at night? Yeah, I'll tell you what
keeps me up at night. I don't know how I'm
gonna blubb blah blah up, like that's where we start,
you know, or I just don't want you know. So
I think that just asking thoughtful, curious questions to help
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get to know them better helps us discern like where,
you know, where's the starting point. But I but you know,
it's always a good bet to start with a coach.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, And that's to me, that's where we save them
the most money.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Being able to get them get their foundation laid, their
divorce foundation laid is huge. And sometimes it'll take us
three sessions to get that done. Sometimes we can get
it done in one that's very rare.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But if we can get.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Done, I like about the three sessions time for me
because then I know what type of player they're going
to need. I know what they're soon to be x
Is like and how they've responded, and so then I'm
able to say, in this case, Mandy, you know we
need the litigative lawyer or the specific litigative lawyer that
I was working with their investor.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yep, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And and so with all of the stuff, you know,
I've been out. You know, my husband's been almost gone
a whole year, and so I've been out longer than
a year. So what new has gone on with Vesta?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, we launched a podcast for real. I know you
were a guest. You were a guest for us. You
did a vlog which was amazing, and we took it
one step further and we're doing the Dishing on Divorce podcasts,
so like on Apple and Amazon and wherever you listen
(29:34):
to your bod guests Dishing on Divorce. So we're super
proud of that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's been very fun. It's something that we've been wanting
to do for years. We actually picked the name Dishing
on divorce two years before we started it because you
were taking that class, remember, yeah, And then we took
a class and then we're like, you know what so
many and it's it could be around divorce or anything
that you're looking to do, Like you're like, oh, I
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have to have everything just right before I do anything,
or I need to have the inspiration, but actually doing
taking the action learning that can be inspiring and propel
you to where you want to be. So we just
are like, we're just going to do it and it's
been really fun. We think it's really important that our
podcast is informative, of course, inspiring and a little entertaining.
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So like you know, since Mandy and are besties, like, well,
we'll kind of like to chat too, but we always
want to make sure that there's some key takeaways for people,
and we have it's a mix of VESTA professionals, non
vested professionals, and people who like just yesterday we had
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on a mediator who was with Vesta. She was amazing
Amanda Singer and she loved because of life situation, she
had a baby, she grew a practice. But so we
have a mix and we have a lot of people
reach out to us who want to be on. So
it's really helped us meet a lot of people as well.
And Mandy and I like to talk about like we've
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so far, we've had four authors, and we always read
the book beforehand. We're like, okay, you know, at least
we're you know, educating ourselves.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And I've read more books in twenty twenty five than
I have like in the last five years. And we've
also had some guests on that are you know, call
them best to graduates that used our services throughout their
divorce and now are going on to live their big lives.
And it's like just mind blowing that, you know. We
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had somebody on who's starting a living in community in
Massachusetts for women that are, you know, transitioning out of marriage,
a support of living community. We've had somebody who started
their own coaching business and got into real estate, somebody
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that's launched a metapause group. I mean, it's just it's
so cool to see like, ah, these individuals, you know,
what are they doing in their two point ohos?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I just reached out to a bunch of my clients
that had gone through were done with their package, was
with me and had situations they knew that my situation
with my late husband the way, so they didn't want
to reach out. But I reached out to several of
them today and I have meetings set up with them
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because their divorces are still not final and happens when
the divorce coach steps out of the picture or somebody
lets the divorce coach out, because then you sit there
with your questions and your emotions and you don't things
already stick your head in the sand. So it's super
important to keep things moving and to create the life
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of their dreams.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Like you guys we're talking about, Yeah, we've also been
you know, expanding I think, you know, with COVID, you know,
there's pros and cons. The pro was that it really
because we had been talking about doing well webinars for
years and all of our events were in person and
we just didn't take the time to figure out, like
how do we start doing this, And then with COVID,
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we had no choice. So that first week of COVID,
we put we changed everything to webinars, and we realized
so many more people were coming to our events and
people from all over the country, so that really, you know,
helped us expand. But we expanded pretty quickly. So I
think what we learned from that was, you know, now
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we're so we reduced in size. Now we're starting to
expand again, but doing it with all that we've learned.
And actually a lot of a lot some of our
expansion is from professionals who are already in one hub
and they love Vesta so much and the whole approach
and the team and the hub members that they get
to know, they suggest, you know, starting another hub. And
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then also just places as we have people reaching out
to us and like, oh, we have a lot of
people reaching out to it in Colorado, we really need
to have a team there, right, so we'll have someone
who then like U Tina who gets no people and
other professionals and who's really good who then introduced them
to us.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And I think the other part of it too was
that we didn't really know what life was going to
be like post of war, I mean post of Wars,
post COVID, and I think that we had opened these
you know, to Deanna's point, yes, it was quick, and
there was so much backlog and like the court systems
and it just it was kind of like everything got
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like clogged up in the pipes too, So I feel
like things are as crazy as the world is today,
like back to normal in terms of, like, you know,
people being able to get a reasonable timeframe for court
appointments and those sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, So before we start to close up, I would
like to have one or both of you guys explain how.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Your months kind of go.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I know that I was in a single hub and
so I don't know how those you know, the talks go,
because in our hub, we had the CDFA talk, then
we had the divorce coach talk, then we had the
attorney's talk.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So if you could explain that, I would be grateful.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, sure, I'll start, and then Deana can can add
to it. So we started a couple of years ago
picking events like through the year, which allows us to
be able to have several months posted at a time.
So we try to have at least three months posted
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for all of our locations because typically what happens is
a person comes to an event and then they're already
thinking about the next event that they can go to.
So we found that doing the event planning, you know,
the year before a couple months really kind of allows
for us to have like a big picture flow of things,
and you know, in Massachusetts in California where we have
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multiple hubs, we try to make sure that all the
programming is different so that in the course of a month,
somebody could see a variety of different topics that may
be of interest to them, obviously depending upon where they
are in the process. And you know, we've also tried
to bring in some new topics based on what's happening
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in the world. So a course of control is like
a really big thing that's happened in Massachusetts with passing
of the law in September of twenty four. So one
of our locations just recently did a presentation on that
and it was very well attended and I think that
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you know it definitely we'll do it again next year.
So trying to keep the subject matter relevant also based
on what's happening in the in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, So we have the standards that you know, standard
events that we started with, like the ABC's of divorce.
You know, we part way through we started doing top
ten divorce mistakes. But we do have like the legal focus,
the financial focus, the real estate focus, and then we
also will have hub members suggest new topics one of
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our hubs. I think it was at this point, you know,
it was over two years ago. They said, let's do
something on narcissism, and oh my gosh, that was our
first event we did on that, and we had like
over one hundred people register and now we offer that
several times a month and it's always one of our
more popular events. It's one of the things too, when
people call is in the concierge, it'd say eighty percent
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of the people say, my spouse is a narcissist. So
whatever varying degrees or whatever, you know, high conflict behavior
there could be. You know, people are like they just
know the term narcissism, but that that attracts people.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, it does, keyword.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, I know. We're also working on some new topics
for twenty twenty six that, you know, just to kind
of keep things fresh and new, because we really would
like to have a membership platform where people can you know,
pay a very small fee but be able to watch
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recorded videos and then obviously we would still follow up
with them as normal in the concierge and then be
able to work with them so they help them connect
with the vetted experts. But you know, it's just it's
something that we're hearing time and time again that people
really want the recordings and they want to be able
to like watch them when they have, you know, time
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to themselves and not necessarily when it's on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Right, Well, that's good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And being able to understand what's going on with Vesta,
being able to being able to access.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
That is super important.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So as we start to close this down, that's what
I want for you guys to explain to us is
how people can find Vesta.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
It'll all be in the show notes below us.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And I know that you guys have got both of
your bios that'll be in the show notes below us,
and you're sharing the Vesta phone numbers as the phone
number to contact you.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
But explain to us how they can get a hold
of VESTA.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think first thing is to go to our website
vestadivorce dot com and there's different tabs. So there's a
tab where they can look up our professionals. They can
look at what state they're is and they could see
the different professionals there. They can also look there's an
event's tab, so they can go to that and look
at you know what events we have coming up, and
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then there's Conciers Tab two that talks a bit about
you know, us is the concierge members, our stories and
how what how we can help and also can sign
up for a concierge call with us. And you know,
when people call us, they often say it was so
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hard to make the call and they're so glad they
did because they always feel better and more hopeful. Anything
else about finding us, Mandy.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yeah, no, I think that that is great. And if
anyone happens to have a pen in hand, they can
also just call us directly at eight seven seven three
five five seven six four nine awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So for the viewers, I'm a certified divorce coach me
that I'm trained in the complexities divorce. I've also personally
been through a high conflict marriage. My father was almost
murdered in his second marriage and my late husband went
through abuse as well. So not only am I trained
in divorce, I've also experienced the divorce and the violence
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and the abuse that can come in from the background.
And you can wish me by contacting me by my
email at Coach Tina Lynn at gmail dot com. That's
co A C. H. T. I N A L y
N N at gmail dot com. My website is Divorce
Coachspecialist dot com. You can also find me on social
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media under on Facebook under Tina Lynn Huggins, h U
G G I N S on linked LinkedIn under Tina Huggins, Instagram,
Divorce Coach Tina Lynn, and TikTok under Divorce Tina.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
So.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I always like to ask for a little bit of advice.
So Deana, can you give our viewers some last minute
advice here?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yes, So a couple of main things. One is that
when you are in a situation where you know you're
not happy or whatever it is, it doesn't mean you're
you're going into divorce, but to reach out to us,
find the right professionals so that you can make your
situation better, whatever that is. And to not be afraid
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to reach out for help. So many people really have
that hold them back, and the more information they have,
the more informed decisions they can make. And what we
talked about earlier is one of the main things I
always tell people to really, you know, choose your professionals wisely,
have the right professionals in the right areas, and make
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sure you know you know what what does a divorce
coach do? How can they help? How can a sort
of certified divorce financial analysts help? If you need a realtor,
you know, find like, do your research, but find someone
who has experience in selling a house to divorce. Don't
you know, hire your neighbor who just sells houses but
doesn't have that experience. So relate to have the team.
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Whatever that looks like for you, that's going to best
support you.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
And Mandy, what's your advice?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Slow down, breathe, You're going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
They're going to be okay, very good. That's like awesome advice.
So and my clients and my viewers, the biggest thing
that they've got going for them, that's their biggest concern
is the money. How much is this going to cost?
And why do I need to pay for more than
one professional? I can tell you by reaching out to
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Vesta Divorce and listening to what their profession have to
tell you in their webinars and to be there and
ask questions.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You can do that through their Q and A.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
By pitching out to Vesta, you can definitely find answers
to those questions and realize just how important the divorce
coach is and having the right attorney for your situation
because not all attorneys are one size fits all and
reallys just like you guys said, those are really really
important things.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Thank you for giving us an opportunity to share what
we're passionate about.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Yes, it's been wonderful talking with you, Tina.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Many people, including myself, get to a point when they're
going through a divorce where suicide becomes part of their thoughts.
So if you are at that point, I urge you
to please call a National suicide Prevention hotline. It's real simple,
nine eight eight. The National Suicide Hotline is nine eight eight.
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Please call them, have somebody on the other end that's
very much like these two wonderful ladies to help talk
you off the ledge. And if you're in the Netherlands,
that number is one one three. We have people from
the Netherlands that actually come to the show and watch
the shows.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
That's important.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
If you are dealing with with the situation where you
need the police there call nine one one. In the UK,
it's nine nine nine. In the Netherlands it's one one two.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Get the police there. Press charges.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Once you press charges, that's your key to exit an
abusive relationship. Press the charges and I beg you do
not drop those charges, let them follow through. If you
drop the charges, what has happened to date is going
to be worse once you drop those charges.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I want you to stay safe.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
The Domestic Violence Hotline is eight hundred seven nine nine
seven two three three. Again that number is eight hundred
seven ninety nine seventy two thirty three. And I ask
that you please like, comment, and share to help others.
And I want to thank you wonderful ladies for joining
me here today. This has been an awesome conversation getting
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the word out about what Vesta is. Thank you, Thank
you Tina. Here Mandy is with her little hearts.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
We'll talk again really soon.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yes, thank you, and we'll see you next time.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello and welcome to my show The Awakening here on WGSNDB,
the Going Bold and Going Solo Network. The information and
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They are not intended to diagnose and do not constitute
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professional advice or recommendations. So you know the people and
the pain of divorce, the stress that the divorcing people
go through, and the struggles both men and women deal
with in their divorce, Well, there is a way to
find sanity and assist the lawyer in the legal process,
saving thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
My name's Tina Huggins.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm your divorce coach specialist, divorce planning specialist, restarative family mediator, and.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Conflictual co parenting coach. And that's my job.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And today I am graced with two of the most
wonderful human beings in the world of divorce. We're graced
here with Mandy Polar Bar and Diana Cole and they
are the driving force behind behind Vesta Divorce and I
am excited for our conversation today, ladies. So welcome and
thank you for being here with me.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Thank you so much, Tina. What a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
What a warm welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thanks, It's it truly is my pleasure to have you guys.
Because I was a member of VESTA for a little
while and be because of stuff, I ended up backing
away from VESTA for a little while. And Mandy and
I have been working on the Colorado VESTA team, trying
to get that VESTA team up, and I'm super excited
(02:11):
because I'm planning on being the divorce coach.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And that team.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So I will kind of let you guys tell me,
tell our viewers what Vesta Divorce is and how it works.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I think it's best coming from Deanna. See. Yeah,
it's really her brainchild.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yes, and I recently moved to Colorado. I moved into
a condo and Denver this last weekend. I love it here,
but I was living in Massachusetts when I went through
divorce and started VESTA. So I went through a very
challenging divorce that was finalized around fourteen years ago, and
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it was unfortunately the divorce was very expensive. Contention, I
had young children at the time, I had given up
a high paying job to be a stay at home mom,
and I had no idea where to turn what to do,
and I did what a lot of people are told
to do. I hired an attorney and luckily she was
an amazing attorney, and I proceeded to use her for
(03:17):
all my different things instead of having a wonderful divorce
coach like U Tina and having a certified divorce financial
analysts and the right professionals in the right areas. So
that was one of the things I could have done better.
But what it did was brought me to start these
programs and we've been doing these programs for over ten years.
(03:37):
We have webinars that people can attend that cover different
topics that are very informative. Mandy and I are in
the concier years, so we talk to people every day.
We've talked to thousands of people who are thinking about
or going through a divorce and help guide them. And
that's been incredibly rewarding investor has helped over ten thousand
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people at this point. So I've been very lucky to
be able to take something that was such a challenging
time in my life but actually brought me to a
great place and be able to help others do the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Awesome. So, Mandy, kind of tell a little bit of
your story.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, So I a fun fact when VESTA was kind
of in this like incubation phase of being developed, Deanna
and I actually worked together at Sentinel Financial Group. I
was helping them with some marketing, and so I was
(04:37):
there when Vesta was born. So it really feels very
special to me to be able to see it thirteen
years later and how it has evolved and changed. But
unfortunately I was nobody wants me playing with their money, Tina,
So I was not going to go down the track
of being a financial advisor. So I stepped away for
(04:59):
a couple of years and went back into my first career,
which was the was a lunch lady. I was the
lunch lady. I mean food service management, but I like
to say I was a lunch lady because I can
sing the Adam Sandlers song. Anyways, five and a half
almost yeah, five and a half years ago, that's just
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started to grow. And Deanna reached back out, well, we
were very good friends by this point, but reached back
out and said, hey, you know, we really could use
some support. Vesta is growing. And I was definitely getting
completely fried out pun not intended here as like just
(05:41):
working in food service. I was just it's just bananas.
If anyone, if you've ever worked in a kitchen before,
and yeah, and it was just it was amazing. It
was such an easy transition and it has been from
like the moment I became part of the organization again,
I knew I wanted to do the work in the
concierge because because that's really the soul work, being able
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to connect with people on a one on one basis
and they allow you to hear their story and you know,
you can create a roadmap for them to help get
to their like their best beyond whatever that may be
for them. And it's really such an honor to be
able to watch people's journey and watch them evolve, and
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you know, be able to connect them to amazing resources
like you so they can begin to heal and build
their team.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, and I know, like investor.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
When I first got involved in VESTA was on one
of the outside tiers, and I would go to some
of the meetings with all of the people that didn't
like where Colorado is sitting right now, where they don't
have an actual team yet in Colorado, and I got
to meet some really wonderful people who I still.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Communicate with now.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But what I enjoyed is is that we had invested.
We had you know, one month that one of us
was in charge, and so the months that our financial
people were in charge, I loved to listen to what
they had to say because what they had to say
helped me learn how to backed my clients to the
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CDFA or the money manager or how that, because we
needed to know which was the best fifty to fifty
split of the monies that were in different pots.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's such a common thing that
professionals will say that the team around them makes them
a better you know, divorce coach, a tourney mediator, you know,
insert profession here because they get to hear the other
professionals speak as well as they have this team that
they can rely on and be able to refer their
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clients to if they need assistants.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
And they can focus on what they do best as well. Right,
my poor attorney, you know, trying to act as a
therapist or financial advisor when you know that really wasn't
her her forete and also she was a very expensive ones. Right.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say, that's the most expensive therapist
you can.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Have, right, right, and the most untrained, do you know exactly? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's one of the things when I come in to
work with people that their biggest concern is, well, team,
what do you mean a divorce team?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I have to spend money on all of you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's like, you know, it's it's important for them to
know that the divorce team is to support them as.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They go through that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But you don't have to have every one of the
professionals' best at supports on that team. And in some cases,
like in my clients, my specific clans, they need to
have a litigative lawyer.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And that is one of the things that I.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like about Vesta is that when we had our meetings,
we didn't have just one. We had a litigative and
then we had a lawyer that served as the traditional
lawyer or worked in a different aspect that wasn't in
the conflictual side, which is awesome because not every divorce
needs a conflictual type of attorney.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Right, Yeah, because you specialize in that high conflict space
where your clientele really needs to have that voice for
them because there's been a power and balance in the marriage.
And I have people say a lot too, you know,
oh I already I have an attorney. I'm paying them
so much already, I don't have any money to hire
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anyone else. But really, when you have a divorce coach.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
When you have a certified divorce financial analyst, a realtor
that specializes in divorce helping you, you're actually able to
go through the process more efficiently, less expensively, Yeah, with
less stress.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I loved working with the attorneys that I worked with
on my team, and when I was in Massachusetts, if
the lawyers were just very good at what they did,
I think every one of us were very good at
what we did. Because VESTA vetted us. We didn't come
in with check marks in bad places. We came in
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with stars because of the vetting process of VESTA.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So Deana, can you kind of explain that process? Yes?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely, we as soon after VESTA was started we realized
the importance of vetting our professionals and doing it in
a more structured way. So it starts off with your
conversation or someone attending one of our interested professional webinars,
and then we have interviews. They fill out a lengthy,
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as you know, a link application that really helps us
get to know the professional better and really one of
the most important things Mandy and I like to find
out it's somebody's why, what really makes you passionate about
what you do, And most of our professionals have had
some experience with divorce, either themselves or someone close to them,
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so they can really understand what it's like. So when
someone's talking to them, they could like they know that
that person understands and has been in their shoes before.
And then there's a background check, so it's a process
where people are vetted and when people who are looking
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for resources and professionals, to know that we have that
process in place makes them feel a lot better about
knowing that they're trusted professionals. And the vetting process, it's
not just professionals who are really good in their field,
because we want them to obviously to have that expertise,
but also the kindness, the karen, the compassion that it's
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so important to people who are going through such a
stressful time, and the passion, right, the passion of helping
people through that situation.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah. And I think the other big is the collaborative
nature of the profession. Do they like to work in
a team environment? Do they like to lean on other
experts when when necessary? I know, specifically one one client
that you worked with, Tina, the attorney who also supported her,
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She told me, I don't want to work with people
unless they have a divorce coach, because they're organized. They're like,
they come to me ready to do, you know, the
legal work, They've processed their emotional divorce with, you know,
with with Tina, and you know, they're organized and they're
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ready to go. And I think that that's just such
a testament to you know, everybody staying in their lane.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, and it's super important. I know that a lot
of people think that hiring a divorce coach and an
attorney is just extra money. But in the reality, like
I had one client and I just put a post
together on this specific clant, he the emotions ran overboard,
and his ex took one hundred and twenty plus thousand
(13:28):
dollars out of their bank account, and they didn't find
it right away, and then as soon as he found it,
he would run to his attorney with all this distress,
and he spent three years and one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars to find out only that she took the
one hundred and twenty thousand dollars and used it as
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living expenses.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's not what really happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But he didn't have the best legal team for his situation.
He needed a different attorney as his attorney. This was
a additional collaborative type family attorney, and he needed a
litigative attorney.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So after his divorce was.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Over, he came to me and it took us just
around eighteen months. And it took he and I nine
months of getting his foundation pieces relayed because they were in.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Such a disarray. So he and I worked for nine months.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then I went out and found him. I think one
of the very best attorneys I've ever worked with, and
he's there in Colorado Springs. He's the one that I
keep referring to that I haven't been able to talk
to because of a situation dealing with my late husband.
Actually in the whole process of this, he spent he spent,
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or excuse me, he saved. I was able to go
through and look at what he was spending on his attorney.
He saved one hundred thousand dollars, Yeah, paying for me
and the attorney. I went out and helped him find
so so it's a point of saving them time. That's
where a lot of the money is saved. If you
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get rid of the emotions and you deal with it
like we say, get married with our heart and divorce
with their head.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Ah, yes, do that, then we've saved our money.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yep, yep. And I think those case studies are so
important right to really help people understand and see it
in black and white, because it's it's counterintuitive to what
you know, what you would what you would think.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, definitely, But all of this, you know, happens because
of Vesta Divorce and other companies like you.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
But Vesta has it's been there the longest.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It it's very strong, it's got a great foundation. I
love the way that you vet so your organization specifically
has all of this knowledge that people can go out
and just sit and listen to.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
All the knowledge. Right, he doesn't have to be Colorado's or.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Massachusetts or South Carolina's, it can be any of them,
and they can get a list of questions that they
can go to that divorce coach with and ask questions.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Now, yep, absolutely yeah. One of the things that Deanna
and I have put together recently was this divorce Interview Guide,
because we do think it's important that people interview, you know,
a couple of attorneys, a couple of cdfas a couple
of coaches to really make sure that whoever you're bringing
onto your team is the right person and is an
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alignment to your values and you know your goals. But
people like time and time again, would say I had
my consultation, but I didn't know what to ask. I
didn't know what questions to ask. So we put together
this guide as just a helpful tool for individuals so
that they don't they can use that free consultation wisely.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Right, And some people also are you know, paid for consultations.
I had to who came to Vesta and it was
an attorney outside of Vesta, but they said they paid
a lot of money for an hour of time with
them and that they only used it half an hour
of the time that they paid for because they ran
out of questions, so she bought our interview guy. But
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we've had people all these years asking because when we
connect them to professionals, they say, I don't even know
what questions to ask, or I want to make sure
I'm really prepared so I can make best use of
my time with them.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I know that having been a part of VESTA. When
I have struggled, I've gotten a hold of Mandy and
I say, Mandy, I need a lawyer, a litigative lawyer
in this area, because if I'm going to refer somebody,
I would rather refer a vetted VESTA and than a
random person I go and kind of research on my own,
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because you guys have already done that research.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Right right, Yeah, No, I think that that is you know,
it's helpful to our community, and it's helpful to our
professionals so that you're not, you know, kind of scrambling
as well as if you know you have a situation
where you have a client that's in a different state,
being able to say, hey, do we have somebody in
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Illinois that can support this client? Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
M And that's one of the things that I've enjoyed
being able to get a hold of you, Mandy, and
and just know that you if there is a lawyer
in that area, that one that you will get me
that lawyer's name and contact information. But most importantly that
I know they're vetted. I know that they already have
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compassion and that they're already good at what they do,
because you guys have already checked them out. And you're
the first one when I have that question, You're the
first one I get a hold of.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I don't get lucky enough to talk with Deanna as
often as I. You can always reach.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Out to me, Tina. I always have myself phone on me.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I I love the fact that I can reach out
to you and get of vetted.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's tell my clients too, this is a lawyer
that's been vetted by Vesta Divorce.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, no, thank you so much. And you know, we
also lean on you guys as well because you because
you do take clients you know, all over the country,
really the globe. You know, we have cases where we'll
have individuals and this is you know, COVID did a
lot of things, but one of the things that it
did do for us is it really allowed us to
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help spread our message wider by you know, using being
able to leverage the you know, zoom webinars. So we
have folks coming from all over that you know, we
may not have you know, we may not have a
hub yet in a location, but we know that you
you gals and guys have connections all over the place.
(19:56):
So knowing that we can also lean on you as
well for people that you've worked with and that you
would vouch for, it's definitely a partnership which I so appreciate.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, and the attorney that's in Colorado Springs, he's I've
had him with a couple of clients already and he
is just rockstar. All my clients are like, hey, hey,
you know, and I struggle with trying to find him
on any of the platforms because that's not his forte.
He's a legal nerd, and that is exactly how I
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explain him.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He's a legal nerd.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
When you talk to him about anything other than legal,
he fumbles through his words and come across like he
knows much about obviously the topic because.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
He spends he spends so much time just on his
legal practice.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it definitely does take a special
person to be able to present well on the webinars
because you're talking to yourself, you know, because we maintained
the privacy of the attendees. So it's like, oh, how
do I look? Do I have any spinch on my teeth?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So one of the things that I do, I do
want you to explain is that I know when you
would make referrals to me, it would come with all
of the concierge information. Could one of you explain what
that phone call is like from beginning to end?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Sure, I since I built the concierge team and Mandy's
been amazing and the concierge team with us, I knew
she'd be so awesome. It's really so. I think in
the beginning of the phone call, I always just start
by saying, you know, I went through a very challenging
divorce that was finalized fourteen years ago, and you know
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all the mistakes that I made, I knew there had
to be a better way, and so I put together
these programs that help people get through it in a
better way. But so I just tell people I've been
through it and what my passion is to help people.
I tell people that I'm so lucky now that I'm
on the other side and living a wonderful life. And
my kids, who were young at the time are grown.
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So I share just enough so that they're like, wow,
she's been through this, She's on the other side. And
they can tell when they talk to me Andy and
Me and our other concierge specials, they can tell that
we care because we truly do. And also, I think
it's important that we explain to them, you know, how
VESTA is set up, because people are so well not trusting, right,
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Like they're going through divorce and the person they trusted
most now is you know, the person that they're having
this conflict with or however they're going through it. Even
if it's amicable, you still have your own, you know,
side in terms of what you're looking for. And then
we find out about them, like what is your situation,
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and we tell them what they tell us is confidential.
I think that's really important. And then also when we
do share, you know, with the information that we get,
when we share it with the professionals, we get their
permission and I've actually never had anyone say no, because
I say, you're going to have this time, and it's
often complimentary. Most of our professionals offer an initial complimentary consultation,
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and you don't want to have to spend you know,
the majority of your call going through your backstory. So
and anything that you or I tell the professionals is
also confidential. So that makes everything a lot easier because
then they can go to you. You have more information
on them and their situation, and they don't have to
go through that again. But I think the fact that
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they know that we have the experience, we've been through
it ourselves, we've been building VESTA for thirteen years, and
that we truly care and we have their best interests
at heart. In the concenters don't have any services that
we're looking for them to hire us for, and we
don't get referral fees. So as soon as people know,
oh you're you're neutral, you're not benefiting from whatever I
(24:12):
take from this call, then they say, you know, just
tell me what to do because you you know what
you're talking about, and I can tell that.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You care, mm yeah, and your two cents on that, manny.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, No. I I echo everything that that she says.
I agree that there needs to be a level of
you know into me. You see, so we're we're it's
we're establishing an intimate relationship with strangers, and if we
want them to share with us with their heart, you know,
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we have to share a little bit about our story
and what we you know, what we went through and
the mistakes that we made, and why we're so passionate
about what we do as professionals. And yeah, no, I
haven't had. What I have had is professionals say I'm
not professionals. The our clients say, you know, I'm not
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quite ready to meet with Tina yet, but could you
send me her information because I'd like to read up
on her on the website, or I'd like to check
out her website, And you know, we're obviously always happy
to do that, and then when they're ready, we would
make that warm introduction or even better, you know, book
the appointment for them on the calendar, and you know,
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because we don't want anyone to feel rushed. And I
like to tell people that we work at their pace.
Sometimes people call with their pants on fire and they
need somebody right away. And then some people are still
in the contemplating stage and they just need that space
and grace to work through it at their own pace.
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And I think that Dean and I both always start with,
you know, be working with a coach to help you,
you know, determine are you ready. And I've actually, you know,
seen where sometimes a coach will saying, you know what,
you're not quite ready for me. You really need to
be in discernment or you really need to be working
with a therapist and kind of like bringing the client
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back to you know, where they're at, and then we're
meeting them at that spot. I just think that that's
really important.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I do think that that's important. And I know
that the people that have that you have referred to
me because because we work in the divorce arena, those
people a lot of times need days, weeks and months
before they hire anybody because they're so scared because there's
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just and so being able to reach out to the
concierge and have a kind listening ear that's letting them
vent really helped.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I know that when you send me the.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Notes, I know, as if I was on that phone
with you, exactly what's going on with that client. So
when I reach out to them, I can reach out
with the compassion that they need and touch base. And
it's many of those clients come in and they'll.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hire us as professionals.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then and then later it's time to hire the
tree or the CDFA, and so then we go back
to the concierge.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I go back.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
In my case, I was always dealing with you, Mandy
on that, and so I'd say, okay, now it's time
for whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Right right? Yeah, And that is one of the things
that when people are like I don't really know where
to start, where to go, I'm like, okay, well what
keeps you up at night? Yeah, I'll tell you what
keeps me up at night. I don't know how I'm
gonna blubb blah blah up, like that's where we start,
you know, or I just don't want you know. So
I think that just asking thoughtful, curious questions to help
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get to know them better helps us discern like where,
you know, where's the starting point. But I but you know,
it's always a good bet to start with a coach.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, And that's to me, that's where we save them
the most money.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Being able to get them get their foundation laid, their
divorce foundation laid is huge. And sometimes it'll take us
three sessions to get that done. Sometimes we can get
it done in one that's very rare.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But if we can get.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Done, I like about the three sessions time for me
because then I know what type of player they're going
to need. I know what they're soon to be x
Is like and how they've responded, and so then I'm
able to say, in this case, Mandy, you know we
need the litigative lawyer or the specific litigative lawyer that
I was working with their investor.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yep, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And and so with all of the stuff, you know,
I've been out. You know, my husband's been almost gone
a whole year, and so I've been out longer than
a year. So what new has gone on with Vesta?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Yeah, we launched a podcast for real. I know you
were a guest. You were a guest for us. You
did a vlog which was amazing, and we took it
one step further and we're doing the Dishing on Divorce podcasts,
so like on Apple and Amazon and wherever you listen
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to your bod guests Dishing on Divorce. So we're super
proud of that.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's been very fun. It's something that we've been wanting
to do for years. We actually picked the name Dishing
on divorce two years before we started it because you
were taking that class, remember, yeah, And then we took
a class and then we're like, you know what so
many and it's it could be around divorce or anything
that you're looking to do, Like you're like, oh, I
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have to have everything just right before I do anything,
or I need to have the inspiration, but actually doing
taking the action learning that can be inspiring and propel
you to where you want to be. So we just
are like, we're just going to do it and it's
been really fun. We think it's really important that our
podcast is informative, of course, inspiring and a little entertaining.
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So like you know, since Mandy and are besties, like, well,
we'll kind of like to chat too, but we always
want to make sure that there's some key takeaways for people,
and we have it's a mix of VESTA professionals, non
vested professionals, and people who like just yesterday we had
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on a mediator who was with Vesta. She was amazing
Amanda Singer and she loved because of life situation, she
had a baby, she grew a practice. But so we
have a mix and we have a lot of people
reach out to us who want to be on. So
it's really helped us meet a lot of people as well.
And Mandy and I like to talk about like we've
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so far, we've had four authors, and we always read
the book beforehand. We're like, okay, you know, at least
we're you know, educating ourselves.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And I've read more books in twenty twenty five than
I have like in the last five years. And we've
also had some guests on that are you know, call
them best to graduates that used our services throughout their
divorce and now are going on to live their big lives.
And it's like just mind blowing that, you know. We
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had somebody on who's starting a living in community in
Massachusetts for women that are, you know, transitioning out of marriage,
a support of living community. We've had somebody who started
their own coaching business and got into real estate, somebody
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that's launched a metapause group. I mean, it's just it's
so cool to see like, ah, these individuals, you know,
what are they doing in their two point ohos?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I just reached out to a bunch of my clients
that had gone through were done with their package, was
with me and had situations they knew that my situation
with my late husband the way, so they didn't want
to reach out. But I reached out to several of
them today and I have meetings set up with them
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because their divorces are still not final and happens when
the divorce coach steps out of the picture or somebody
lets the divorce coach out, because then you sit there
with your questions and your emotions and you don't things
already stick your head in the sand. So it's super
important to keep things moving and to create the life
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of their dreams.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Like you guys we're talking about, Yeah, we've also been
you know, expanding I think, you know, with COVID, you know,
there's pros and cons. The pro was that it really
because we had been talking about doing well webinars for
years and all of our events were in person and
we just didn't take the time to figure out, like
how do we start doing this, And then with COVID,
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we had no choice. So that first week of COVID,
we put we changed everything to webinars, and we realized
so many more people were coming to our events and
people from all over the country, so that really, you know,
helped us expand. But we expanded pretty quickly. So I
think what we learned from that was, you know, now
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we're so we reduced in size. Now we're starting to
expand again, but doing it with all that we've learned.
And actually a lot of a lot some of our
expansion is from professionals who are already in one hub
and they love Vesta so much and the whole approach
and the team and the hub members that they get
to know, they suggest, you know, starting another hub. And
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then also just places as we have people reaching out
to us and like, oh, we have a lot of
people reaching out to it in Colorado, we really need
to have a team there, right, so we'll have someone
who then like U Tina who gets no people and
other professionals and who's really good who then introduced them
to us.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And I think the other part of it too was
that we didn't really know what life was going to
be like post of war, I mean post of Wars,
post COVID, and I think that we had opened these
you know, to Deanna's point, yes, it was quick, and
there was so much backlog and like the court systems
and it just it was kind of like everything got
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like clogged up in the pipes too, So I feel
like things are as crazy as the world is today,
like back to normal in terms of, like, you know,
people being able to get a reasonable timeframe for court
appointments and those sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, So before we start to close up, I would
like to have one or both of you guys explain how.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Your months kind of go.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I know that I was in a single hub and
so I don't know how those you know, the talks go,
because in our hub, we had the CDFA talk, then
we had the divorce coach talk, then we had the
attorney's talk.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So if you could explain that, I would be grateful.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, sure, I'll start, and then Deana can can add
to it. So we started a couple of years ago
picking events like through the year, which allows us to
be able to have several months posted at a time.
So we try to have at least three months posted
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for all of our locations because typically what happens is
a person comes to an event and then they're already
thinking about the next event that they can go to.
So we found that doing the event planning, you know,
the year before a couple months really kind of allows
for us to have like a big picture flow of things,
and you know, in Massachusetts in California where we have
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multiple hubs, we try to make sure that all the
programming is different so that in the course of a month,
somebody could see a variety of different topics that may
be of interest to them, obviously depending upon where they
are in the process. And you know, we've also tried
to bring in some new topics based on what's happening
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in the world. So a course of control is like
a really big thing that's happened in Massachusetts with passing
of the law in September of twenty four. So one
of our locations just recently did a presentation on that
and it was very well attended and I think that
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you know it definitely we'll do it again next year.
So trying to keep the subject matter relevant also based
on what's happening in the in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, So we have the standards that you know, standard
events that we started with, like the ABC's of divorce.
You know, we part way through we started doing top
ten divorce mistakes. But we do have like the legal focus,
the financial focus, the real estate focus, and then we
also will have hub members suggest new topics one of
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our hubs. I think it was at this point, you know,
it was over two years ago. They said, let's do
something on narcissism, and oh my gosh, that was our
first event we did on that, and we had like
over one hundred people register and now we offer that
several times a month and it's always one of our
more popular events. It's one of the things too, when
people call is in the concierge, it'd say eighty percent
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of the people say, my spouse is a narcissist. So
whatever varying degrees or whatever, you know, high conflict behavior
there could be. You know, people are like they just
know the term narcissism, but that that attracts people.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, it does, keyword.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, I know. We're also working on some new topics
for twenty twenty six that, you know, just to kind
of keep things fresh and new, because we really would
like to have a membership platform where people can you know,
pay a very small fee but be able to watch
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recorded videos and then obviously we would still follow up
with them as normal in the concierge and then be
able to work with them so they help them connect
with the vetted experts. But you know, it's just it's
something that we're hearing time and time again that people
really want the recordings and they want to be able
to like watch them when they have, you know, time
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to themselves and not necessarily when it's on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Right, Well, that's good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And being able to understand what's going on with Vesta,
being able to being able to access.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
That is super important.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So as we start to close this down, that's what
I want for you guys to explain to us is
how people can find Vesta.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
It'll all be in the show notes below us.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And I know that you guys have got both of
your bios that'll be in the show notes below us,
and you're sharing the Vesta phone numbers as the phone
number to contact you.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
But explain to us how they can get a hold
of VESTA.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think first thing is to go to our website
vestadivorce dot com and there's different tabs. So there's a
tab where they can look up our professionals. They can
look at what state they're is and they could see
the different professionals there. They can also look there's an
event's tab, so they can go to that and look
at you know what events we have coming up, and
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then there's Conciers Tab two that talks a bit about
you know, us is the concierge members, our stories and
how what how we can help and also can sign
up for a concierge call with us. And you know,
when people call us, they often say it was so
(40:30):
hard to make the call and they're so glad they
did because they always feel better and more hopeful. Anything
else about finding us, Mandy.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yeah, no, I think that that is great. And if
anyone happens to have a pen in hand, they can
also just call us directly at eight seven seven three
five five seven six four nine awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So for the viewers, I'm a certified divorce coach me
that I'm trained in the complexities divorce. I've also personally
been through a high conflict marriage. My father was almost
murdered in his second marriage and my late husband went
through abuse as well. So not only am I trained
in divorce, I've also experienced the divorce and the violence
(41:20):
and the abuse that can come in from the background.
And you can wish me by contacting me by my
email at Coach Tina Lynn at gmail dot com. That's
co A C. H. T. I N A L y
N N at gmail dot com. My website is Divorce
Coachspecialist dot com. You can also find me on social
(41:42):
media under on Facebook under Tina Lynn Huggins, h U
G G I N S on linked LinkedIn under Tina Huggins, Instagram,
Divorce Coach Tina Lynn, and TikTok under Divorce Tina.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
So.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I always like to ask for a little bit of advice.
So Deana, can you give our viewers some last minute
advice here?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yes, So a couple of main things. One is that
when you are in a situation where you know you're
not happy or whatever it is, it doesn't mean you're
you're going into divorce, but to reach out to us,
find the right professionals so that you can make your
situation better, whatever that is. And to not be afraid
(42:32):
to reach out for help. So many people really have
that hold them back, and the more information they have,
the more informed decisions they can make. And what we
talked about earlier is one of the main things I
always tell people to really, you know, choose your professionals wisely,
have the right professionals in the right areas, and make
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sure you know you know what what does a divorce
coach do? How can they help? How can a sort
of certified divorce financial analysts help? If you need a realtor,
you know, find like, do your research, but find someone
who has experience in selling a house to divorce. Don't
you know, hire your neighbor who just sells houses but
doesn't have that experience. So relate to have the team.
(43:17):
Whatever that looks like for you, that's going to best
support you.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
And Mandy, what's your advice?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Slow down, breathe, You're going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
They're going to be okay, very good. That's like awesome advice.
So and my clients and my viewers, the biggest thing
that they've got going for them, that's their biggest concern
is the money. How much is this going to cost?
And why do I need to pay for more than
one professional? I can tell you by reaching out to
(43:56):
Vesta Divorce and listening to what their profession have to
tell you in their webinars and to be there and
ask questions.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
You can do that through their Q and A.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
By pitching out to Vesta, you can definitely find answers
to those questions and realize just how important the divorce
coach is and having the right attorney for your situation
because not all attorneys are one size fits all and
reallys just like you guys said, those are really really
important things.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Thank you for giving us an opportunity to share what
we're passionate about.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Yes, it's been wonderful talking with you, Tina.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Many people, including myself, get to a point when they're
going through a divorce where suicide becomes part of their thoughts.
So if you are at that point, I urge you
to please call a National suicide Prevention hotline. It's real simple,
nine eight eight. The National Suicide Hotline is nine eight eight.
(44:58):
Please call them, have somebody on the other end that's
very much like these two wonderful ladies to help talk
you off the ledge. And if you're in the Netherlands,
that number is one one three. We have people from
the Netherlands that actually come to the show and watch
the shows.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
That's important.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
If you are dealing with with the situation where you
need the police there call nine one one. In the UK,
it's nine nine nine. In the Netherlands it's one one two.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Get the police there. Press charges.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Once you press charges, that's your key to exit an
abusive relationship. Press the charges and I beg you do
not drop those charges, let them follow through. If you
drop the charges, what has happened to date is going
to be worse once you drop those charges.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I want you to stay safe.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
The Domestic Violence Hotline is eight hundred seven nine nine
seven two three three. Again that number is eight hundred
seven ninety nine seventy two thirty three. And I ask
that you please like, comment, and share to help others.
And I want to thank you wonderful ladies for joining
me here today. This has been an awesome conversation getting
(46:07):
the word out about what Vesta is. Thank you, Thank
you Tina. Here Mandy is with her little hearts.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
We'll talk again really soon.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yes, thank you, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
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