April 30, 2024 • 32 mins
Caught up with Andrew and Mitch from Unstable Shapes to chat about their song "The Local Spinx" and their band overall.
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Free Tross B Side Breakdown. Heyeveryone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown.
My name is Brett Johnson and Iam your host. This is episode
twenty of a podcast where I talkwith other artists, musicians, and songwriters
about a song they've written that's particularlymeaningful to them and we try to get
deep into the y behind it.Today, I'm gonna be talking with the
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band Unstable Shapes about their song TheLocal Sphinx. So let's get into it.
Here is The Local Sphinx by UnstableShapes, who keep all guys to
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come and take us by the hair. No ights, no signs, no
one ps releases, and I haven'tfound clear in a while. I'm gonna
cut myself out of Bobo. I'mgonna caught myself into the go go buy
a feeling at could be an overcall to buy hand towards at the time
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find intelligence to the side. Thegroup specs with Riding Knees Machine. I'm
gonna speaking you always through by us. I'm gonna ways my consulations and both
I the question I time, I'mgone fast, I answer why why why?
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We all firs plans don't play asI'm looking for alto much a miracles.
You're looking for a bunch of funerals. I'm gonna kiss you with a
fistical and I want to watch atwist you turn into space? What shack?
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I'll love now? Why I needto know? I need to know.
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I need to know that what yougot, I need to know.
I need to know. I needto know that I need to stop it.
I need know that. That's soI need a god, not podcast.
I need a good respond to.So I need a god. You
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can say that, all right?And that was The Local Sphinx by Unstable
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Shapes. We're gonna take a quickbreak and we'll be right back with Andrew
and Mitch to talk about the song. Stay with us, all righte and
we're back. So let's bring inAndrew and Mitch from Unstable Shapes to talk
about the song The Local Sphinx.Hey guys, thanks for taking some time
today to talk with me about thesong. Hey yeah, thanks for having
us song. Happy to do it, So tell me about it. What's
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going on with the song, whatrecords it on? Tell me about Unstable
Shapes? Why did you want totalk about this song? I mean,
we have this so this song justdropped as our second single. We don't
have a full length album done yet, we're still working on it, but
I think it's kind of a specialsong for us because I still remember,
like Mitch basically sent us this demothat he recorded and uh like he had
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never really done that before, Likethat was the glass Ladder. Actually,
I think that I set that demo. Oh you're right, you're right,
you're a different song. You're right. Yeah, so local sphins. I
can't remember, like, how didwe start this song, Mitch, Like
how did how did you? Like? Yeah, did you come into practice
with the riff? Yeah? Yeah, So I have like a ton of
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riffs that I I recorded over theover the years, and I presented a
riff that I thought was really cool. It's the verse riff. That's it
was just that initially, and Idon't know, I don't think anybody really
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was that into it at the time, and we just shelved it for pretty
long, like I don't know,a year or so, and then we
were like, Okay, we needto work out some more songs. Let's
dive back. Yeah. We're likewe're really good at like, oh there's
a riff, cool, We'll comeback to it. Eventually, and sometimes
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eventually is a week and a half, sometimes it's a year. Like it,
it does take us a while sometimesto get back and stuff. But
I don't think anyone was like coldon it. I think like we're just
we're five busy dudes, and likesometimes practices aren't as lengthy as maybe went
likely to be, so we don'talways get back to the thing that we
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want to as quickly as we'd liketo. Maybe. Yeah, I think
that's definitely a good summary of it. We write pretty slowly, I would,
I would say, to be afinal point, I think we're slow
to get two songs, but Ithink once we get our hands into them,
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I do think we tend to writepretty quickly because like I I like
this song, Like I feel likethe lyrics came together really quickly, and
that really only can happen if thesong comes together pretty quickly. Like I
don't know, Mitch, do youdo you really feel like it like it
took that long. I feel likethis song like once we actually worked on
in earnest, we probably banged outin like three practices, don't you think,
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Yeah? Probably, I mean therewas like the first one where we
the first iteration of it where itwas kind of, I don't know,
had a different vibe I think beforewe shelved it, and then when we
revisited it, yeah, I thinkwe kind of like approached it differently.
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And then I think after that firstpractice where we revisited it, I sat
around at home and tried to comeup with some different parts for it,
and I think that's where I cameup with like the chorus bit. Maybe
I'd had that put together already bythe time we revisited it. That's probably
what happened, because that would makeus like that makes sense preas getting like
more more ampt about it again becausewe'd have you know, two parts ready.
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Yeah, then I think it cametogether pretty quickly after that. I'm
trying to remember, Mitch, wasthis song, well, what was the
week? You know, like everysong has kind of a working till it
was this Adams Is that what thissong is called? Yeah, we first
started it. Yeah, okay,yeah, you're right, So yeah,
this was a song that we andyou're right, it kind of had like
I remember when we first started it, like Games was kind of playing something
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on the drums and it kind ofhad this like like in Rainbow's era Radiohead
vibe. To me, that's whatI kind of was feeling, like it
kind of had this weird, likejazzy thing which I kind of liked,
and that's not really there in thefinal song. Yeah. Yeah, but
like you're right, like when wefirst started it, Yeah, I don't
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think it wasn't that we weren't feelingit. It's that I think we didn't
know which direction to take it in. And then we had another song that
we were writing at the same time, and that just seemed to go a
lot quicker, which I think wasGlass Ladder. I think that's probably right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Andso I think we just kind of
like it's not that we weren't intoit, it's just like we just like
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this other thing was going so quickly, Like we just worked on that and
then it took us a while toget back to the Local Sphinx. But
like, I don't know, man, I think the Local Sphinx is more
the best songs, So like itdefinitely wasn't like a disinterest in the material.
It was more like we just hadI think it was coming easier,
so we just worked on that andthen came back later. But yeah.
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Now that now that I remember that'swhat we used to call it, it
makes a little bit more sense that, like we were like what do we
do with this? Yeah, itjust wasn't really the right time. I
guess, I don't know, gotit? So is this the second single?
Is that what you said? Thisis the second song you guys have
released as a band. Yeah,yeah, Chris one is glass Ladder And
that one that was one that Ijust like, I bought a bass,
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like a cheap bass. I gota really good deal on like a Squire
jazz bass just to like mess aroundwith. You know, you know,
it's nothing special, but for somebodywho doesn't play bass, was fine.
And yeah, I sat down andwas just you know, playing around with
stuff and I I don't really knowhow to self record that well. I
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was just messing around with the garageband and I came up with something and
sent it to the guys and theywere like, oh, this rules.
And then we wrote glass Ladder likethe next practice. Got it like right
away. And again the band isfrom Minneapolis, right, yeah, cool?
And I don't know anything about youguys. So Mitch, what do
you play? You're a guitar player? Or you play band? Sorry,
yep, I play guitar in theband Cool Andrew, what do you do?
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I'm the vocalist, got it?Who else is in the band?
Ryan Jarosik also plays guitar, andKevin Hurley plays bass. He's in another
band called The Great Went Oh Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah,
more post rock thing. And JamesTaylor plays drums. He's in Lamar,
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which is very different sound than us. Got it? Cool? And how
long have you been a band?So when did the band come together?
That is a complicated story. Somiss and Ryan and I have known each
other for what like a decade longerthan that. At this point, yeah,
and you know, none of ushad really been doing any music stuff,
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like really, and like I wasdoing stand up comedy for a decade
and I just got burnt out onit. But I still had all this
creative energy and like wanted to dosomething. And then like we went and
saw a massive attack in concert.I think it was on September eleventh,
maybe or right about there in twentynineteen, and we all, the three
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of us were just kind of likejust like vibe and like just kind of
feeling some kind of creative energy fromthat, and we were just like we
should started a band, and itseemed like a crazy idea because it's like
like we just hadn't done anything likethat in a long time, and and
then we just decided to give ashot and that So that would have been
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like end of twenty nineteen, andthen I met Kevin and I kind of
enlisted Kevin. He was kind oflike my first and only choice for bass
player really, and they didn't knowKevin. I just was like, hey,
you should come practice with us.That would have been very beginning of
twenty twenty, and then COVID happened, and like, you know, so
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we just kind of put it ona shelf for what was about a year
and a half. Mitch, Yeah, so like uh twenty when we first
like started to mess around, youand Ryan and I, we you know,
came up with some things that maybeif we would have worked on on
longer, would have turned into something. You know, maybe we'll revisit them
again someday and write a song thatwe all love. But we were kind
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of just like stuck spinning our wheels. And then yeah, Kevin came in
and that's when we like really startedgoing like wrote like our first real song.
And then as we were like,you know, starting to feel good,
gaining some confidence about this, thenCOVID happened and we didn't do anything.
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And we didn't have a drummer atthis point either, so it was
like we got to find a drummer, So like that was the other tricky
part too. Yeah, and thenlike in August of twenty twenty, so
during COVID, my wife was pregnantand we had a baby, but she
was born three months prematurely, solike I wasn't taking any risks at all,
meeting up or writing sure for apretty long time. Like we didn't
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really do anything at all until twentytwenty one. And I think June of
twenty twenty one is when we startedpracticing again. And that's when James got
brought in. Yeah, it wastwenty twenty one or twenty twenty two.
Yeah, it seems like I thinkit was twenty twenty one, but it
was a long time. It waslike a year and a half at least.
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Yep. And yeah, and thenlike and then James was a guest
on my podcast and we just hitit off and I was like, hey,
do you know any drummers, andhe was like, well, I'm
a drummer, and I sent himlike one of the songs that we had
demoed the four of us, andhe was like, this is exactly what
I want to play on and thenwe just joined up. So then yeah,
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so then we just jammed out inour practice space for like another like
year and a half. Yeah,and there, you know, like eventually,
yeah, eventually, like everybody kindof took turns getting sick here and
there. Sure, we had somebreaks because that some people on vacations,
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like I having a baby, babiesget sick of all the time, so
like we weren't able to practice forbits here and there, so it was
like really slow rolling. But yeah, then we finally, I don't know,
James was really I think kind ofthe the missing puzzle piece that kind
of you know, tie everything together. Yeah, got it. And when
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did James solidify the lineup? Then? Yeah, that was June twenty twenty
one, I think. Cool.So you guys been in this formation with
this group of dudes for the pastalmost three years. Yeah, awesome,
Yeah, awesome. And performance wise, what have you guys done? Are
you out there playing all the time? Do you have a body of work.
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Are you touring regionally or doing anythinglike that, or is it really
just you guys are focusing on thisas your second single and kind of incrementally
in that stage. Yeah, Sowe started playing shows. Our first show
was February third of twenty twenty three. Okay, that was the first show
that I have ever played in mylife. I wasn't in any other bands
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before this, so it was reallyweird playing on stage, like playing songs
that you know, I wrote onstage for the first time at the stage
of thirty six. Sure, AndI mean, Andrew, you've never saying
in this way, And I meanthat's that's like high school, yeah,
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or college. Yeah, I meanthat was twenty years ago, but like
I didn't I mean I did standup for ten years, so yeah,
you know stand up. I wason stage. I mean maybe seven minutes
at a time, but I wasat stage three to four times a week.
But it's it's also a different vibebecause you know, stands a very
like it's like a it's like asolo sport, and playing in a band
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obviously it's a much different experience.So in some ways it's much easier because
like I don't have to be thefocal point all the time, so I
can, you know, let MitchellRyan do something interesting at guitar and I
can take a step back. Butit was really weird that first show because
I mean we played at the threethree one club in Minneapolis Northeast Minneapolis were
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which I think we all really lovethat spot, and it was like a
packed house because I think part ofthat it is just because there was some
anticipation with us, because all ofour friends had heard us talk about this
pan for the last year and ahalf, yeah, and they wanted to
finally like see the rubber meet theroad and then they came out. But
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like it was just a full showin general, and I think a lot
of people were like surprised that itwas our first show and I was like,
well, yeah, because we've beenpracticing for a year and a half,
so like you know, we're notlike we're not loose, We're pretty
tight given that it's our first show, because we just had time to really
make sure everything's good. Yeah,but that was Yeah, it was definitely
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a wild experience playing your first showlike at a pack three three one club.
I mean that was that was cool. Yeah, that's awesome. So
since February, what have you guysbeen doing since then? Has it just
been focusing on writing in the spaceor have you played a handful of shows
since February? It's been about ashow a month. Yeah, we try
to keep it like that. Imean, I play a show every week
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if we could. But like youknow, men of a certain age,
that's not real. It's sick.Yeah. I mean, like three of
us in the band are married,two of us have kids, you know,
five people with different schedules. It'sit's not easy to play it that
much. And I think we kindof want to avoid like too much oversaturation
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too. Yeah, yeah, Iagree, I think. And so yes,
we played about a show month andlike we but we still keep writing.
I mean we're writing to make arecord, a full length, which
were almost done writing, so thatI think is the goal. But it's
kind of fun because I mean,like, you know, we know a
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lot of people in the scene now, Like I knew a bunch of people
just from like knowing people for thelast fifteen years I've lived here or whatever.
But now to be able to likemake connections with people and you know,
people have been to ask us toplay shows. You have to turn
them down just because we're busy withother stuff or or whatever. But it's
very like flattering, frankly, someof the requests that we've been getting,
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So you don't take it lightly oranything like that. No, that's cool,
man, and I'm glad you guysare working on more music. So
is the idea then you're incrementally puttingout singles until you have this full length
done, And then is your planto actually compile it in some sort of
format and release it as a sortof a whole record kind of thing or
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is it just going to be thethe kind of string of singles. Yeah,
I think we're I mean, wedefinitely want to release it as an
LP. Yeah, but we're kindof we've recorded for so far so far,
and we've been releasing those like,I don't know, once a month,
and uh yeah, yeah, we'vefinished recording by the time we run
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out of those, so that wecan release the whole thing without a huge
gap in between. And I Idon't know, we've talked about it a
little bit, but I think we'replanning to have it pressed right Yeah,
I think, I mean, rightnow, I think our tentative plan is
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we have like two or three moresongs we just need to finish writing,
and one of those is pretty close. But I think, you know,
we're hoping to get back in thestudio probably in the next month and a
half or so and finish this.Yeah, and then I don't know that
we have plans for further singles.We might, I mean, depending on
how those recordings turn out, butlike, yeah, I think ultimately the
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goal is to take what we haveand then press it on some wax as
who does that and when that obviouslyis a little up in the airs,
it's things not recorded yet, ButI think that is the goal. I
mean, we're we're all vinyl collectorsourselves. You know, James is a
Vinyl DJ for crying out loud,So we definitely have a value for the
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physical object and that kind of thing. So you know, we want to
make sure we have something that peoplecan hold in their hands and look at
and really you know, dig into. So I think that is the ultimate
goal. As when and how thathappens, that's a little down the road,
but hopefully not too far down theroad. No, that sounds good,
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it makes sense. Well, let'sdo this, Let's take a quick
break and then we're going to comeback and find out what you guys are
working on next, be it inthis band or in other ventures. Whatever.
We just want to hear what's goingon. So stay with us and
we'll be right back. All right, and we're back with Andrew and Mitch
from Unstable Shapes. So, guys, what are you working on next?
What do you have coming up forthe band or anything specific you're working on
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creatively in some other avenue that youwant to talk about. Yeah, I
mean, I think the band iskind of our primary creative thing that we've
got going on. I don't know, Andrew, would you agree with that?
Yeah? I mean, I'll haveyour podcast. I have a very
silly podcast called Life with Peachy,which is honestly like that. That's how
we met Jane Taylor, and it'sit's about new metal music, which Mitch
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hates, uh and fascinating. Idon't really like, I don't really love
it, but I'm I just findit like such an interesting topic to get
into, and it's kind of funbecause I've met a lot of interesting people
through the scenes, a lot ofa couple of at least one of your
former guests on beside Breakdowns. DavidYarnstrom has done it, maybe some others
I think we might get Oh yeah, Prince has done it a couple of
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times. Yeah, so and so, yeah, that's really fun. You
know, Like I'm kind of workingon something with my friends back home in
Iowa where I grew up. Butthat's what I don't even know what this
story is with that right now.It's kind of taken time to gel together.
But it's one of the things that, like, yeah, some projects
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like takes forever to get to thefinish line and then the last two feet
happened in an instant. So Ikind of feel like this might be one
of those projects, but we don't, like, we don't have a firm
details on that yet, but that'skind of coming along. It is very,
very different from Unstable Shapes, especiallyvocally, so I joked that Unstable
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Shapes is my mad band and theother band is my sad band, but
like that's a ways away, solike not and you need to keep on
your radar just yet. Yeah,we got we have a show we just
played. Well the time this comesout, we would have just played at
Seventh Street Entry, which I thinkMitch Year somebody pretty stoked about that.
Yeah, I think that's kind ofa dream come true for me, and
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I know for Ryan as well.I don't know, I assume for you,
James and Kevin is the Yeah,it's different for me because like I
didn't grow up around here, solike I mean, obviously I've lived here
for a long time, so Ithink it's seventeen years as of July.
But like to me, like it'ssort of you know, First Avenue the
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Entry are legendary in the abstract whereit's for you guys, it's like legendary
in reality. So for me it'sa little bit different, but like I'm
still very excited about it. LikeI think it's gonna be a great show.
It will have been a great showby the time this comes out,
probably, but yeah, that's exciting. And then we're playing at Dora Darling,
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which is a really great new venueon March fifteenth. I don't know
if the lineup is solidified on that, but I think Monica the Plant is
also co headlining with us on that. Yeah, so that'd be great if
you haven't been to Door Darling andyou're in the Twin Cities, like you
should check out that spot. It'sreally cool. Is that this place that
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used to be the Red Stag?Yeah, East, Yeah, I got
it. Yeah, Yeah, that'scool. Mitch and Ryan and I saw
Quicksand there, and I mean thatis a once in a lifetime kind of
experience. To be a band ofthat caliber in a relatively small, intimate
place is really really cool. Soyou know, we're kind of excited about
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that the possibility and obviously not thatwe share the stage of them, but
to like kind of be able tohave that same opportunity is really cool.
I mean, hey, we wealso we opened up for the band that
opened up for Quicksand. Because openedup for Quicksand and we played with them
are Third Show. Yeah, we'refriends with those guys. I really love
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those guys. I hope we getto play with them again soon because I
think we've all we all really enjoyedthe record. I think they're working on
a new one, which is veryexciting, and I would love to anytime
I can even just share space withDave, John's from and John McEwan.
I just feel like that is ablessing upon me because I just love them
so much. As I feel likewe opened up for the band that opened
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up for quicksand as the very sillything. And I recognize that, you
know, very yeah, man,I know a guy who knows a guy
who knows a guy who knows BarackObama exactly not a big deal. But
I feel what you're saying about playingSeventh Street. I mean, I grew
up in Minneapolis, and I mean, yeah, Mitt, I'm excited for
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you that you finally get to playit. I first played seven Street Entry
in nineteen eighty eight when I wasfifteen or sixteen or something in a Sunday
all ages punk rock matinee show andit was super fun. But yeah,
having played there that was like alwaysthe legendary venue for me to play,
and finally playing the main room atone point was huge for me as well.
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And you know, it's cool thatyou're getting to kind of realize all
those things. Good for you,mane Yeah, yeah, I mean fingers
crossed. Maybe someday we'll be ableto play the Man, it is a
really interesting thing, Like you know, I mean we started this like in
I mean I was what thirty thirtyeight or thirty nine when we started this,
and it is a different experience startingout like a noisy punk rock band
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in your late thirties than it isin you're, like, you know,
your teens and twenties. It's avery different thing, but like I'm finding
it to be a very rewarding experience. You know, a lot of people
think that as you get older,like you can't, you can't do this
stuff, or life gets in theway. I think you just got to
make time for it. But likeif you if it's something you really want
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to do, like you know,I'm always amazed at the people that we
know and can have like conversations withand relationships with that like you just wouldn't
think it's possible. So I'm reallyexcited and honored by what we've already accomplished,
which I mean, honestly, it'snot like for a lot, but
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it's still more than I think peoplerealize you can do, and and there's
more, there's always more coming,right as long as you keep at it
and you you know, put yourheart into it. I think that the
the possibilities are much bigger than peoplemay realize, and that if I say
anything to anybody, like if you'reon the fence about starting something because you
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feel like you're too old, likeyou should do it anyway, Like Rakowski
didn't get published when he was likefifty, you know what I mean?
Like, so like your life isan over and there's definitely like I definitely
have a better I will say,a better perspective on things and my current
age then I would have twenty yearsago. So it's cool being able to
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do this stuff and feel like I'mnot an old man at forty two.
It's invigorating in some way. No, that's awesome. That's awesome. So
then where is the best place forlisteners to find you guys online? Do
you have like a link tree aspecific url or is it all your band
camp or Instagram or something like where'sthe best place for people to find you?
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Instagram? I mean it's the bestplace to go. It's got kind
of connections to it. Yeah,I think I think we have a link
tree, and I think if youjust go to unstableshapes dot com that actually
points in to our link tree.But for like, yeah, for all
this stuff like Instagram, that's wherethe we're the most engaged. I think
our Instagram does speed to Facebook,but like fixtbook sucks so but yeah,
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Instagram, I think is a goodspot. By the time this comes out,
both of our singles will be onthe streamers. Check that out.
But you know, if you wantto buy them on band camp, that's
cool. We appreciate it helps usfund the making the recordings, but no
expectations there, got it. Andfor Instagram, is it just at Unstable
Shapes yep and band camp Unstable Shapesstff, band camp dot com yep.
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Yeah cool cool? Well good welleverybody, if you're listening, go to
Instagram, follow these guys and buytheir stuff on band camp if you can.
But yeah, man, I superstoke for you guys and the shows
that you're coming up. It's coolthat you're making the connections you are,
that you're fearlessly for ranging the spacesthat are new for you at you know,
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what you think is late in life, even though I'm a decade older
than you, But I get it. It's I'm doing late, similar stuff
late to start something. Yeah yeah, sure, I mean right, I
get it. I started acting eightmonths ago and that's terrifying and it's super
fun. So it's it's hard,it's scary, but it's also really rewarding
to be able to just kind ofput the fear aside and the old tapes
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aside that say, oh, you'retoo old, you can't start this now,
you can't do these things now.And sure, shit, you guys
are out doing it, and that'sawesome to hear and awesome to see.
And it's cool that you guys aredropping the singles as you're doing it,
and we'll look forward to your fulllength when it comes out. But yeah,
everybody keep checking the streaming services fortheir singles as they drop. The
next one is coming out February sixteenth, I believe, and hopefully this episode
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will be out before then. Sothat's not a past ten statement if I
got that right. But you know, thank you both for taking some time
to talk to me today, andyeah, I wish you guys are the
best going forward. Yeah, thanksagain for having us absolute money, appreciate
the opportunity. Three trost B SideBreakdown. All right, and that wraps
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up another episode of the B SideBreakdown. I want to thank Andrew and
Mitch from Unstable Shapes for coming alongto talk about their song the Local Sphinx.
Up next, I have the songDynamite from the band Tragic Hands and
I'll be talking with Rich Horton.I'll give you a sample of that in
just a minute. I want tothank Adam Coolong and Carrie Bosel for helping
me put together the jingle you hearat the beginning and the end of this
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supisode to believe it was always artto releasing Supicide to my aunts, very Samos
Free Tross B Side Breakdown. Heyeveryone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown.
My name is Brett Johnson and Iam your host. This is episode
twenty of a podcast where I talkwith other artists, musicians, and songwriters
about a song they've written that's particularlymeaningful to them and we try to get
deep into the y behind it.Today, I'm gonna be talking with the
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band Unstable Shapes about their song TheLocal Sphinx. So let's get into it.
Here is The Local Sphinx by UnstableShapes, who keep all guys to
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come and take us by the hair. No ights, no signs, no
one ps releases, and I haven'tfound clear in a while. I'm gonna
cut myself out of Bobo. I'mgonna caught myself into the go go buy
a feeling at could be an overcall to buy hand towards at the time
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find intelligence to the side. Thegroup specs with Riding Knees Machine. I'm
gonna speaking you always through by us. I'm gonna ways my consulations and both
I the question I time, I'mgone fast, I answer why why why?
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We all firs plans don't play asI'm looking for alto much a miracles.
You're looking for a bunch of funerals. I'm gonna kiss you with a
fistical and I want to watch atwist you turn into space? What shack?
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I'll love now? Why I needto know? I need to know.
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I need to know that what yougot, I need to know.
I need to know. I needto know that I need to stop it.
I need know that. That's soI need a god, not podcast.
I need a good respond to.So I need a god. You
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can say that, all right?And that was The Local Sphinx by Unstable
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Shapes. We're gonna take a quickbreak and we'll be right back with Andrew
and Mitch to talk about the song. Stay with us, all righte and
we're back. So let's bring inAndrew and Mitch from Unstable Shapes to talk
about the song The Local Sphinx.Hey guys, thanks for taking some time
today to talk with me about thesong. Hey yeah, thanks for having
us song. Happy to do it, So tell me about it. What's
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going on with the song, whatrecords it on? Tell me about Unstable
Shapes? Why did you want totalk about this song? I mean,
we have this so this song justdropped as our second single. We don't
have a full length album done yet, we're still working on it, but
I think it's kind of a specialsong for us because I still remember,
like Mitch basically sent us this demothat he recorded and uh like he had
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never really done that before, Likethat was the glass Ladder. Actually,
I think that I set that demo. Oh you're right, you're right,
you're a different song. You're right. Yeah, so local sphins. I
can't remember, like, how didwe start this song, Mitch, Like
how did how did you? Like? Yeah, did you come into practice
with the riff? Yeah? Yeah, So I have like a ton of
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riffs that I I recorded over theover the years, and I presented a
riff that I thought was really cool. It's the verse riff. That's it
was just that initially, and Idon't know, I don't think anybody really
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was that into it at the time, and we just shelved it for pretty
long, like I don't know,a year or so, and then we
were like, Okay, we needto work out some more songs. Let's
dive back. Yeah. We're likewe're really good at like, oh there's
a riff, cool, We'll comeback to it. Eventually, and sometimes
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eventually is a week and a half, sometimes it's a year. Like it,
it does take us a while sometimesto get back and stuff. But
I don't think anyone was like coldon it. I think like we're just
we're five busy dudes, and likesometimes practices aren't as lengthy as maybe went
likely to be, so we don'talways get back to the thing that we
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want to as quickly as we'd liketo. Maybe. Yeah, I think
that's definitely a good summary of it. We write pretty slowly, I would,
I would say, to be afinal point, I think we're slow
to get two songs, but Ithink once we get our hands into them,
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I do think we tend to writepretty quickly because like I I like
this song, Like I feel likethe lyrics came together really quickly, and
that really only can happen if thesong comes together pretty quickly. Like I
don't know, Mitch, do youdo you really feel like it like it
took that long. I feel likethis song like once we actually worked on
in earnest, we probably banged outin like three practices, don't you think,
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Yeah? Probably, I mean therewas like the first one where we
the first iteration of it where itwas kind of, I don't know,
had a different vibe I think beforewe shelved it, and then when we
revisited it, yeah, I thinkwe kind of like approached it differently.
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And then I think after that firstpractice where we revisited it, I sat
around at home and tried to comeup with some different parts for it,
and I think that's where I cameup with like the chorus bit. Maybe
I'd had that put together already bythe time we revisited it. That's probably
what happened, because that would makeus like that makes sense preas getting like
more more ampt about it again becausewe'd have you know, two parts ready.
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Yeah, then I think it cametogether pretty quickly after that. I'm
trying to remember, Mitch, wasthis song, well, what was the
week? You know, like everysong has kind of a working till it
was this Adams Is that what thissong is called? Yeah, we first
started it. Yeah, okay,yeah, you're right, So yeah,
this was a song that we andyou're right, it kind of had like
I remember when we first started it, like Games was kind of playing something
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on the drums and it kind ofhad this like like in Rainbow's era Radiohead
vibe. To me, that's whatI kind of was feeling, like it
kind of had this weird, likejazzy thing which I kind of liked,
and that's not really there in thefinal song. Yeah. Yeah, but
like you're right, like when wefirst started it, Yeah, I don't
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think it wasn't that we weren't feelingit. It's that I think we didn't
know which direction to take it in. And then we had another song that
we were writing at the same time, and that just seemed to go a
lot quicker, which I think wasGlass Ladder. I think that's probably right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Andso I think we just kind of
like it's not that we weren't intoit, it's just like we just like
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this other thing was going so quickly, Like we just worked on that and
then it took us a while toget back to the Local Sphinx. But
like, I don't know, man, I think the Local Sphinx is more
the best songs, So like itdefinitely wasn't like a disinterest in the material.
It was more like we just hadI think it was coming easier,
so we just worked on that andthen came back later. But yeah.
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Now that now that I remember that'swhat we used to call it, it
makes a little bit more sense that, like we were like what do we
do with this? Yeah, itjust wasn't really the right time. I
guess, I don't know, gotit? So is this the second single?
Is that what you said? Thisis the second song you guys have
released as a band. Yeah,yeah, Chris one is glass Ladder And
that one that was one that Ijust like, I bought a bass,
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like a cheap bass. I gota really good deal on like a Squire
jazz bass just to like mess aroundwith. You know, you know,
it's nothing special, but for somebodywho doesn't play bass, was fine.
And yeah, I sat down andwas just you know, playing around with
stuff and I I don't really knowhow to self record that well. I
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was just messing around with the garageband and I came up with something and
sent it to the guys and theywere like, oh, this rules.
And then we wrote glass Ladder likethe next practice. Got it like right
away. And again the band isfrom Minneapolis, right, yeah, cool?
And I don't know anything about youguys. So Mitch, what do
you play? You're a guitar player? Or you play band? Sorry,
yep, I play guitar in theband Cool Andrew, what do you do?
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I'm the vocalist, got it?Who else is in the band?
Ryan Jarosik also plays guitar, andKevin Hurley plays bass. He's in another
band called The Great Went Oh Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah,
more post rock thing. And JamesTaylor plays drums. He's in Lamar,
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which is very different sound than us. Got it? Cool? And how
long have you been a band?So when did the band come together?
That is a complicated story. Somiss and Ryan and I have known each
other for what like a decade longerthan that. At this point, yeah,
and you know, none of ushad really been doing any music stuff,
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like really, and like I wasdoing stand up comedy for a decade
and I just got burnt out onit. But I still had all this
creative energy and like wanted to dosomething. And then like we went and
saw a massive attack in concert.I think it was on September eleventh,
maybe or right about there in twentynineteen, and we all, the three
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of us were just kind of likejust like vibe and like just kind of
feeling some kind of creative energy fromthat, and we were just like we
should started a band, and itseemed like a crazy idea because it's like
like we just hadn't done anything likethat in a long time, and and
then we just decided to give ashot and that So that would have been
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like end of twenty nineteen, andthen I met Kevin and I kind of
enlisted Kevin. He was kind oflike my first and only choice for bass
player really, and they didn't knowKevin. I just was like, hey,
you should come practice with us.That would have been very beginning of
twenty twenty, and then COVID happened, and like, you know, so
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we just kind of put it ona shelf for what was about a year
and a half. Mitch, Yeah, so like uh twenty when we first
like started to mess around, youand Ryan and I, we you know,
came up with some things that maybeif we would have worked on on
longer, would have turned into something. You know, maybe we'll revisit them
again someday and write a song thatwe all love. But we were kind
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of just like stuck spinning our wheels. And then yeah, Kevin came in
and that's when we like really startedgoing like wrote like our first real song.
And then as we were like,you know, starting to feel good,
gaining some confidence about this, thenCOVID happened and we didn't do anything.
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And we didn't have a drummer atthis point either, so it was
like we got to find a drummer, So like that was the other tricky
part too. Yeah, and thenlike in August of twenty twenty, so
during COVID, my wife was pregnantand we had a baby, but she
was born three months prematurely, solike I wasn't taking any risks at all,
meeting up or writing sure for apretty long time. Like we didn't
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really do anything at all until twentytwenty one. And I think June of
twenty twenty one is when we startedpracticing again. And that's when James got
brought in. Yeah, it wastwenty twenty one or twenty twenty two.
Yeah, it seems like I thinkit was twenty twenty one, but it
was a long time. It waslike a year and a half at least.
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Yep. And yeah, and thenlike and then James was a guest
on my podcast and we just hitit off and I was like, hey,
do you know any drummers, andhe was like, well, I'm
a drummer, and I sent himlike one of the songs that we had
demoed the four of us, andhe was like, this is exactly what
I want to play on and thenwe just joined up. So then yeah,
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so then we just jammed out inour practice space for like another like
year and a half. Yeah,and there, you know, like eventually,
yeah, eventually, like everybody kindof took turns getting sick here and
there. Sure, we had somebreaks because that some people on vacations,
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like I having a baby, babiesget sick of all the time, so
like we weren't able to practice forbits here and there, so it was
like really slow rolling. But yeah, then we finally, I don't know,
James was really I think kind ofthe the missing puzzle piece that kind
of you know, tie everything together. Yeah, got it. And when
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did James solidify the lineup? Then? Yeah, that was June twenty twenty
one, I think. Cool.So you guys been in this formation with
this group of dudes for the pastalmost three years. Yeah, awesome,
Yeah, awesome. And performance wise, what have you guys done? Are
you out there playing all the time? Do you have a body of work.
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Are you touring regionally or doing anythinglike that, or is it really
just you guys are focusing on thisas your second single and kind of incrementally
in that stage. Yeah, Sowe started playing shows. Our first show
was February third of twenty twenty three. Okay, that was the first show
that I have ever played in mylife. I wasn't in any other bands
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before this, so it was reallyweird playing on stage, like playing songs
that you know, I wrote onstage for the first time at the stage
of thirty six. Sure, AndI mean, Andrew, you've never saying
in this way, And I meanthat's that's like high school, yeah,
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or college. Yeah, I meanthat was twenty years ago, but like
I didn't I mean I did standup for ten years, so yeah,
you know stand up. I wason stage. I mean maybe seven minutes
at a time, but I wasat stage three to four times a week.
But it's it's also a different vibebecause you know, stands a very
like it's like a it's like asolo sport, and playing in a band
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obviously it's a much different experience.So in some ways it's much easier because
like I don't have to be thefocal point all the time, so I
can, you know, let MitchellRyan do something interesting at guitar and I
can take a step back. Butit was really weird that first show because
I mean we played at the threethree one club in Minneapolis Northeast Minneapolis were
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which I think we all really lovethat spot, and it was like a
packed house because I think part ofthat it is just because there was some
anticipation with us, because all ofour friends had heard us talk about this
pan for the last year and ahalf, yeah, and they wanted to
finally like see the rubber meet theroad and then they came out. But
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like it was just a full showin general, and I think a lot
of people were like surprised that itwas our first show and I was like,
well, yeah, because we've beenpracticing for a year and a half,
so like you know, we're notlike we're not loose, We're pretty
tight given that it's our first show, because we just had time to really
make sure everything's good. Yeah,but that was Yeah, it was definitely
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a wild experience playing your first showlike at a pack three three one club.
I mean that was that was cool. Yeah, that's awesome. So
since February, what have you guysbeen doing since then? Has it just
been focusing on writing in the spaceor have you played a handful of shows
since February? It's been about ashow a month. Yeah, we try
to keep it like that. Imean, I play a show every week
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if we could. But like youknow, men of a certain age,
that's not real. It's sick.Yeah. I mean, like three of
us in the band are married,two of us have kids, you know,
five people with different schedules. It'sit's not easy to play it that
much. And I think we kindof want to avoid like too much oversaturation
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too. Yeah, yeah, Iagree, I think. And so yes,
we played about a show month andlike we but we still keep writing.
I mean we're writing to make arecord, a full length, which
were almost done writing, so thatI think is the goal. But it's
kind of fun because I mean,like, you know, we know a
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lot of people in the scene now, Like I knew a bunch of people
just from like knowing people for thelast fifteen years I've lived here or whatever.
But now to be able to likemake connections with people and you know,
people have been to ask us toplay shows. You have to turn
them down just because we're busy withother stuff or or whatever. But it's
very like flattering, frankly, someof the requests that we've been getting,
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So you don't take it lightly oranything like that. No, that's cool,
man, and I'm glad you guysare working on more music. So
is the idea then you're incrementally puttingout singles until you have this full length
done, And then is your planto actually compile it in some sort of
format and release it as a sortof a whole record kind of thing or
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is it just going to be thethe kind of string of singles. Yeah,
I think we're I mean, wedefinitely want to release it as an
LP. Yeah, but we're kindof we've recorded for so far so far,
and we've been releasing those like,I don't know, once a month,
and uh yeah, yeah, we'vefinished recording by the time we run
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out of those, so that wecan release the whole thing without a huge
gap in between. And I Idon't know, we've talked about it a
little bit, but I think we'replanning to have it pressed right Yeah,
I think, I mean, rightnow, I think our tentative plan is
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we have like two or three moresongs we just need to finish writing,
and one of those is pretty close. But I think, you know,
we're hoping to get back in thestudio probably in the next month and a
half or so and finish this.Yeah, and then I don't know that
we have plans for further singles.We might, I mean, depending on
how those recordings turn out, butlike, yeah, I think ultimately the
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goal is to take what we haveand then press it on some wax as
who does that and when that obviouslyis a little up in the airs,
it's things not recorded yet, ButI think that is the goal. I
mean, we're we're all vinyl collectorsourselves. You know, James is a
Vinyl DJ for crying out loud,So we definitely have a value for the
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physical object and that kind of thing. So you know, we want to
make sure we have something that peoplecan hold in their hands and look at
and really you know, dig into. So I think that is the ultimate
goal. As when and how thathappens, that's a little down the road,
but hopefully not too far down theroad. No, that sounds good,
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it makes sense. Well, let'sdo this, Let's take a quick
break and then we're going to comeback and find out what you guys are
working on next, be it inthis band or in other ventures. Whatever.
We just want to hear what's goingon. So stay with us and
we'll be right back. All right, and we're back with Andrew and Mitch
from Unstable Shapes. So, guys, what are you working on next?
What do you have coming up forthe band or anything specific you're working on
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creatively in some other avenue that youwant to talk about. Yeah, I
mean, I think the band iskind of our primary creative thing that we've
got going on. I don't know, Andrew, would you agree with that?
Yeah? I mean, I'll haveyour podcast. I have a very
silly podcast called Life with Peachy,which is honestly like that. That's how
we met Jane Taylor, and it'sit's about new metal music, which Mitch
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hates, uh and fascinating. Idon't really like, I don't really love
it, but I'm I just findit like such an interesting topic to get
into, and it's kind of funbecause I've met a lot of interesting people
through the scenes, a lot ofa couple of at least one of your
former guests on beside Breakdowns. DavidYarnstrom has done it, maybe some others
I think we might get Oh yeah, Prince has done it a couple of
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times. Yeah, so and so, yeah, that's really fun. You
know, Like I'm kind of workingon something with my friends back home in
Iowa where I grew up. Butthat's what I don't even know what this
story is with that right now.It's kind of taken time to gel together.
But it's one of the things that, like, yeah, some projects
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like takes forever to get to thefinish line and then the last two feet
happened in an instant. So Ikind of feel like this might be one
of those projects, but we don't, like, we don't have a firm
details on that yet, but that'skind of coming along. It is very,
very different from Unstable Shapes, especiallyvocally, so I joked that Unstable
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Shapes is my mad band and theother band is my sad band, but
like that's a ways away, solike not and you need to keep on
your radar just yet. Yeah,we got we have a show we just
played. Well the time this comesout, we would have just played at
Seventh Street Entry, which I thinkMitch Year somebody pretty stoked about that.
Yeah, I think that's kind ofa dream come true for me, and
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I know for Ryan as well.I don't know, I assume for you,
James and Kevin is the Yeah,it's different for me because like I
didn't grow up around here, solike I mean, obviously I've lived here
for a long time, so Ithink it's seventeen years as of July.
But like to me, like it'ssort of you know, First Avenue the
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Entry are legendary in the abstract whereit's for you guys, it's like legendary
in reality. So for me it'sa little bit different, but like I'm
still very excited about it. LikeI think it's gonna be a great show.
It will have been a great showby the time this comes out,
probably, but yeah, that's exciting. And then we're playing at Dora Darling,
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which is a really great new venueon March fifteenth. I don't know
if the lineup is solidified on that, but I think Monica the Plant is
also co headlining with us on that. Yeah, so that'd be great if
you haven't been to Door Darling andyou're in the Twin Cities, like you
should check out that spot. It'sreally cool. Is that this place that
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used to be the Red Stag?Yeah, East, Yeah, I got
it. Yeah, Yeah, that'scool. Mitch and Ryan and I saw
Quicksand there, and I mean thatis a once in a lifetime kind of
experience. To be a band ofthat caliber in a relatively small, intimate
place is really really cool. Soyou know, we're kind of excited about
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that the possibility and obviously not thatwe share the stage of them, but
to like kind of be able tohave that same opportunity is really cool.
I mean, hey, we wealso we opened up for the band that
opened up for Quicksand. Because openedup for Quicksand and we played with them
are Third Show. Yeah, we'refriends with those guys. I really love
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those guys. I hope we getto play with them again soon because I
think we've all we all really enjoyedthe record. I think they're working on
a new one, which is veryexciting, and I would love to anytime
I can even just share space withDave, John's from and John McEwan.
I just feel like that is ablessing upon me because I just love them
so much. As I feel likewe opened up for the band that opened
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up for quicksand as the very sillything. And I recognize that, you
know, very yeah, man,I know a guy who knows a guy
who knows a guy who knows BarackObama exactly not a big deal. But
I feel what you're saying about playingSeventh Street. I mean, I grew
up in Minneapolis, and I mean, yeah, Mitt, I'm excited for
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you that you finally get to playit. I first played seven Street Entry
in nineteen eighty eight when I wasfifteen or sixteen or something in a Sunday
all ages punk rock matinee show andit was super fun. But yeah,
having played there that was like alwaysthe legendary venue for me to play,
and finally playing the main room atone point was huge for me as well.
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And you know, it's cool thatyou're getting to kind of realize all
those things. Good for you,mane Yeah, yeah, I mean fingers
crossed. Maybe someday we'll be ableto play the Man, it is a
really interesting thing, Like you know, I mean we started this like in
I mean I was what thirty thirtyeight or thirty nine when we started this,
and it is a different experience startingout like a noisy punk rock band
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in your late thirties than it isin you're, like, you know,
your teens and twenties. It's avery different thing, but like I'm finding
it to be a very rewarding experience. You know, a lot of people
think that as you get older,like you can't, you can't do this
stuff, or life gets in theway. I think you just got to
make time for it. But likeif you if it's something you really want
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to do, like you know,I'm always amazed at the people that we
know and can have like conversations withand relationships with that like you just wouldn't
think it's possible. So I'm reallyexcited and honored by what we've already accomplished,
which I mean, honestly, it'snot like for a lot, but
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it's still more than I think peoplerealize you can do, and and there's
more, there's always more coming,right as long as you keep at it
and you you know, put yourheart into it. I think that the
the possibilities are much bigger than peoplemay realize, and that if I say
anything to anybody, like if you'reon the fence about starting something because you
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feel like you're too old, likeyou should do it anyway, Like Rakowski
didn't get published when he was likefifty, you know what I mean?
Like, so like your life isan over and there's definitely like I definitely
have a better I will say,a better perspective on things and my current
age then I would have twenty yearsago. So it's cool being able to
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do this stuff and feel like I'mnot an old man at forty two.
It's invigorating in some way. No, that's awesome. That's awesome. So
then where is the best place forlisteners to find you guys online? Do
you have like a link tree aspecific url or is it all your band
camp or Instagram or something like where'sthe best place for people to find you?
(28:55):
Instagram? I mean it's the bestplace to go. It's got kind
of connections to it. Yeah,I think I think we have a link
tree, and I think if youjust go to unstableshapes dot com that actually
points in to our link tree.But for like, yeah, for all
this stuff like Instagram, that's wherethe we're the most engaged. I think
our Instagram does speed to Facebook,but like fixtbook sucks so but yeah,
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Instagram, I think is a goodspot. By the time this comes out,
both of our singles will be onthe streamers. Check that out.
But you know, if you wantto buy them on band camp, that's
cool. We appreciate it helps usfund the making the recordings, but no
expectations there, got it. Andfor Instagram, is it just at Unstable
Shapes yep and band camp Unstable Shapesstff, band camp dot com yep.
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Yeah cool cool? Well good welleverybody, if you're listening, go to
Instagram, follow these guys and buytheir stuff on band camp if you can.
But yeah, man, I superstoke for you guys and the shows
that you're coming up. It's coolthat you're making the connections you are,
that you're fearlessly for ranging the spacesthat are new for you at you know,
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what you think is late in life, even though I'm a decade older
than you, But I get it. It's I'm doing late, similar stuff
late to start something. Yeah yeah, sure, I mean right, I
get it. I started acting eightmonths ago and that's terrifying and it's super
fun. So it's it's hard,it's scary, but it's also really rewarding
to be able to just kind ofput the fear aside and the old tapes
(30:23):
aside that say, oh, you'retoo old, you can't start this now,
you can't do these things now.And sure, shit, you guys
are out doing it, and that'sawesome to hear and awesome to see.
And it's cool that you guys aredropping the singles as you're doing it,
and we'll look forward to your fulllength when it comes out. But yeah,
everybody keep checking the streaming services fortheir singles as they drop. The
next one is coming out February sixteenth, I believe, and hopefully this episode
(30:47):
will be out before then. Sothat's not a past ten statement if I
got that right. But you know, thank you both for taking some time
to talk to me today, andyeah, I wish you guys are the
best going forward. Yeah, thanksagain for having us absolute money, appreciate
the opportunity. Three trost B SideBreakdown. All right, and that wraps
(31:19):
up another episode of the B SideBreakdown. I want to thank Andrew and
Mitch from Unstable Shapes for coming alongto talk about their song the Local Sphinx.
Up next, I have the songDynamite from the band Tragic Hands and
I'll be talking with Rich Horton.I'll give you a sample of that in
just a minute. I want tothank Adam Coolong and Carrie Bosel for helping
me put together the jingle you hearat the beginning and the end of this
(31:40):
episode. In the background right now, you're listening to the Pink Motel track
from the amb Team from the legendaryscape video Search for Animal Chin by Powell
Peralta. Thank you Powell Peralta forgiving me permission to play this music on
this episode. Please subscribe to thispodcast wherever you get your podcasts. Be
safe and we look forward to seeingyou on the next one. Thanks and
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