March 21, 2025 • 51 mins
Grateful to pull up with Jon Snodgrass and chat about the "Ghost Trilogy" of songs off his recent release, "Stoked Ghost", that came out on Rad Girlfriend Records late last year.
I know he's back out on the road again right now and coming through central Florida next weekend. Look him up if you're in Gainesville, Tampa, or Orlando and get out to the shows if you can!
Otherwise, you can keep up with him at:
https://radgirlfriendrecords.bandcamp.com/album/stoked-ghost
https://www.jonsnodgrass.com/
https://jonsnodgrass.bandcamp.com/
https://www.instagram.com/jonsnodgrass
Thank you for your continued support!
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I know he's back out on the road again right now and coming through central Florida next weekend. Look him up if you're in Gainesville, Tampa, or Orlando and get out to the shows if you can!
Otherwise, you can keep up with him at:
https://radgirlfriendrecords.bandcamp.com/album/stoked-ghost
https://www.jonsnodgrass.com/
https://jonsnodgrass.bandcamp.com/
https://www.instagram.com/jonsnodgrass
Thank you for your continued support!
Brett Johnson
Host of B-Side Breakdown
https://www.instagram.com/bsidebreakdown
https://linktr.ee/bsidebreakdown
#Buddies #Snodgrass #StokedGhost #JonSnodgrass #RadGirlfriendRecords #bsidebreakdown #threecrowsclub #brettjamesjohnson #musicpodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's time for the B Side Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Brett Johnson.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. My name
is Brett Johnson and I am your host. This is
episode thirty two of a podcast where I talk with
other artists, musicians and songwriters about a song they've written
that is meaningful to them that they wanted chat about
get deep into the why behind it. But first they
need to give me permission to play it in its
entirety on this episode, so you the listener can hear
it first and then it'll make some sense with our
(00:29):
conversation that subsequently follows. So anyway, today I'm gonna be
talking with John Snodgrass about kind of a trio of
tracks off his recent stoked Ghost EP that he's calling
the Ghost Trilogy. So let's get into it. Here is
the Ghost Trilogy by John Snodgrass.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You call them bad times, They was the best time.
Really miss that friend of mine. I want to see
him shine, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He was.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Really missed that friend of mine? Why miss those times?
The news was right and everybody said farewell. I mean
(01:53):
you would already said goodbye and the meet why you turn?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Didn't want to mix.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The thing that I'm rember is you say good bye,
hide me.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Bout see, no talk bout it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You only live when.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Some day say just take it easy on yourself and
anyone you would ever meet. You're taking easy on the equipment.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just do the thing. I knew the car was waiting.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I was running down the street trying to catch a
cap to the.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Bar where I would me.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
All my friends acquaintances doesn't matter to night. It's all
about the songs and not the fad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Y by saying.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
It could be too one car song shop, you take
me for.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Who days are asking to song.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That we go so well.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
God send to you this message from a time so
far and said it wist you were here. So we said,
it's so great shape, lots of celebration, but that so
far her she rings out.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Just got to.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
See my nerve every body saying come de two ninety
one more so.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
The shop takes deep far that bell.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
We ain't shot guys.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Too so.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That we got so well.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
That we got so well.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That don't so well, yo, don't so.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
That also.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That that so.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Ca cuckle cat cat cat catch born on the Red Side.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Drive around and do crimes, do bonn.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
On the rat side.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That side, all right, And that was Ghost Trilogy by
(06:20):
John Snodgrass. We're gonna take a quick break and come
back and talk to John about the three songs that
comprise the trilogy and find out more about him. So
stay with us, all right, and we're back. Let's bring
in John to talk more about the songs that comprise
Ghost Trilogy. Hey, John, thank you for taking some time
tonight to talk with me about the songs.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, thanks, Brett. I hope you guys like that. You know,
it's funny. I gotta say right off the bat that
that thing I was originally gonna put those three songs,
those things out on their own. And then the first
song on that record, the Stoke Ghost is this. It's
(07:04):
a Buck Owens song, and that was was out on
exactly on Halloween. And then the Warren zbon cover, which
is about Bill Lee the baseball player, that was going
to come out when postseason baseball started, right. Yeah, And
here's the deal. I just screwed it up, like user error,
(07:28):
and I was on tour and I didn't have a
laptop with me, and I totally screwed it up. And
this Ghost trilogy thing like that was the thing about
it is that it is as serious and then obviously
there's some stuff that's not serious. And that's just kind
of how I try to mix up, you know, something
(07:49):
that's heavy duty, you know, like doing a I wanted
to do a Tony Slie song and then I did
the song. Like me talking about this and actually doing
an interview about it is sort of exactly what I
wasn't going to do. I didn't want to make like
a huge deal out of it. I wanted people just
to know, you know, like people who did know, like
his family and stuff. I asked they like that. But
(08:11):
the Stoke Ghost song, which I've never had a record
that's has a title track before, right, So yeah, I
wrote that, you know, I mean obvious, like when the
year after on the anniversary when he died, and it
just kind of happened and I just wrote that. But
(08:31):
also then I finished it. I guess it kind of
became a bit of an amalgam, you know, with a
couple other folks. And then when their artwork came in,
I saw my friend Francisco's art of that ghost on
a skateboard. Yeah, and that is when Oh passed away,
(08:53):
and I was like, fuck, and then that was the
I'm like, that's got to be the artwork, you know,
that has to be the thing. And Tony was born
on bugs birthday, and I had a song when when
Bug died and it's on the record before that was
supposed to be the last song of those three, but
I stole it for another record that came out earlier
(09:16):
in the year. And Tony always wanted the name of
Scorpio's record Born under a rad Sign. So the beginning
of that, like that thing that was just trying to
make Scorpios laugh, you know, and uh it made him laugh.
(09:36):
I don't think anyone was interested in it. But then
you know, then I send the same thing to Bill
and then uh right where it. Yeah, he put drums
in and we made it a real song. I mean,
it's dumb as shit, but it's kind of not because
the lyrics are the original lyrics to the whole dumb
(09:57):
thing about driving around and doing crimes. That's that's the
silly lyric I had for It's a Scorpio song, and
it's called slick back wig Hair, Okay, And that's a
song that me and Tony sang during soundtrack all the
time before he died in Europe and a slick back
wig hair driving around doing crimes. Motherfucker doesn't even care.
(10:20):
Like it's just so stupid. But so I'm pretty good
at writing inside jokes or something for like one person
and in this and in this case, someone who's not
even around anymore, right, But yeah, that's the whole thing.
Like in the credits of the record, like the little
emoji with the ghost, you know that I started using
(10:43):
that kind of for me, and then first family and
stuff like I would when I would like I told
I think Bridge, it's the first person I said this to,
and I'm like, if you ever see a text and
I have this little ghost, it's because I think it's something,
uh Tony Sly would think it's funny. And it was
(11:03):
my kind of sweet way of, I don't know, keeping
them in the conversation. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the whole thing.
And then you know, but then Bug was born. They
had the same birthday, so like Bug died now, so
now I can talk about both of them, you know,
because like it was so sad because like, yeah, anyways,
(11:24):
so any other questions.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
No, none, none, If you're willing, I need you to.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I need you to back up and kind of
go through some of this a little bit again, because
there's a lot of listeners that don't have a clue
of any of the people you're talking about and and
all the events that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So so, Tony Sly was in a band called No
Use no Use for a name. Yeah, the flagship bands
on Fat Records. I think Fat Mike is known to
set here. He said to me, he's that is his
favorite songwriter or like best songwriter that's ever been on
(12:07):
the label, you know. I think he would say like
including himself type of thing. And he was a good
I met him and oh shit, oh i'd met him before.
I guess I met him in like ninety five or
ninety four ninety five because Chris Shiplet was a friend
(12:29):
of mine and he had joined his band, okay, and
then I remember us all, well that's the thing, and
then me and him like an oh, you know who
I was just talking about. Yeah, it was on the
warp Tour before it was a Van's Warped Tour whenever
that first one was. I think the first stop actually
(12:49):
was in Boulder anyway, So that's just me describing this
guy Tony so that he was in no use your name.
He did a he was in a band with me
that we called Scorpios. We thought it was a good
idea to everyone, was Scorpios. You know, I'm born in
the year, born in the time of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And yeah, it turns out that wasn't probably a great idea.
Scorpios are kind of dicks. But I'll say this. You know,
we're Scorpio rising. We're on the early side. That's the
ones on the back end, you know. Regardless.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Uh so, uh so there's that when that that Stoked ghost, right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, the Stoke ghost was him, Okay, I mean like, yeah,
he's like the but it's when I saw that artwork,
you know, and then oh passed away. Who oh uh
otis Bartholomew. A lot of people just oh he is
a He was a mentor to me and to a
lot of people. He was a lot A lot of
(13:57):
people say he is a he was a ah everyone's
best friend, you know. When he died. I mean people
from you know, from Kurt Cobain to Tony Hawk to
j Mascus to you know, the Melvins to the magazine
(14:17):
Transworld Skate you know, uhh yeah's you know from the
skate world and the photography world in the rock and
roll world. Very respected dude and he was from San Diego.
He is the actual reason why my first band, Archer
Martians with Cargo Headhunter, because he heard our first demo
(14:43):
and the owner at Cargo, Eric who ended up, you know,
loving it. But when he first heard it he said,
he's like, yeah, it's pretty derivative and I'm like, hurt
my feelings and it is what music is if it
isn't like right, you know, but regardless. But now he's like, yeah, anyways,
(15:06):
it doesn't matter. But he is responsible for that. And
then I used to break a lot of strings on
this telecaster guitar that I used, and he worked very
closely with Fender okay, and he connected me with Fender
(15:28):
guitars and I'm still a very proud Fender guitar artist.
Nice I got a guitar from them in nineteen ninety
seven from Alex Perez And it's it's funny because dude,
the day before he died, I was texting him about
(15:49):
that guitar and saying, I really need to reach out
to them and just I mean to the guy Alex
in particular, you know, because it's the only it's the
only guitar I used, because the other one got stolen
and they were like kind of identical. Then this company
called Nash Guitars built me another one. So I have
two guitars that are almost that are very similar that
(16:09):
they look the same. But I've been playing that guitar
since nineteen ninety seven, you know, and I'll about it
and it's awesome. And it was the day before and
I was like because it was before email, you know, right,
or at least before I had email Alex's phone number
written on the wall, you know, of the house I
(16:32):
lived in, you know, like it was like those days,
you know, it was right urpy, and it was really
kind of weird about that. I mean, I can, you know,
I can scroll back, like he's one of those dudes.
Are you an iPhone user? I am? You know how
like just I don't have it set so my messages disappear, right,
(16:55):
but sometimes things get clogged up. I got to get
rid of some stuff, but like certain people, I mean,
I can just go lee, you know, and it goes
to like, you know, ten years back or however, however
far back it goes right right, I talked to a lot,
you know, and uh, anyways, that was that was the
fucking catastrophe and that was terrible. So, like I said,
(17:17):
and then the guy Francisco, he is a great artist
that yeah he lives in uh in Milwaukee, but I
met him in Chicago at the Fireside Bowl, you know,
so he's the first dude I met. He was my
so I like to say he was my first friend
in Chicago. And then uh, my second friend. Uh it
(17:40):
was Lauren Shaw and she was working at the bar
at the Fireside Bowl, and uh, I guess I'd already
met Miguel. But anyways, these are people you know that
I've known like forever, and uh, having Frien help you know,
let me use that art, you know, was a really
it was a really big deal because I just saw it,
you know, and I'm like, oh, that's it, you know,
(18:01):
like I had all the songs, you know, and it
just conceptualized it in my brain, you know. So so yeah,
that's the story with that, Okay, anaim all the people.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So that was Stow Ghost and liver Let Die, and
then we have Born under a Rat Sign.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh yeah no, but I meant all the characters from
the story.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I started talking, yes, yes, yes, that that seems to
be all of them.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah no. So yeah, it starts with the
Stoke Ghost and that song, but it goes in the
liver Let Die, which is a song that Tony had done,
and he uh, you know, much like him saying like,
let's name my record Born under a Rat Sign. He
used to always kind of think about, like because how
(18:48):
that song ends. It's like one song, and he always
wanted it to be like, yeah, we would finish with
that song and then we could be really interesting with
whatever the next song that we would go into. Ye
kind of just again back to just inside jokes and
(19:10):
private conversations I had, you know with with him. Yeah,
I mean not private, but you know what I mean
to do. There was no flys on the wall. Uh
and uh yeah. So that's why that is funny to
me because you know, the first song sad, and but
I think it has a good message to it, just
(19:31):
you know, the whole we would always talk about, you know,
like you know when back when people would always say
like yo know and they're like, yo, did it once
and I was I'm like, that's true. Just take it easy,
you know, like easy on the equipment, which being funny,
(19:51):
the record that I said I stole the other song
from is from the record called barget Will that came
out earlier, and that was one of O sayings. Then
he would say bars it will. But he also would
say take it easy. And that is the yin and
yang of things for me. Take it easy, barge it will,
bars it will. Got it?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
There's a lot. Uh yeah, sometimes it may be. I
don't know. I think some people and I definitely was
one of them too. I kind of don't ever want
to take myself too seriously. You know, everyone, we're all
just I always say, we're all equally significant, insignificant and
(20:34):
lucky to live in the time of Willie Nelson, right,
And uh that being said, you know, uh, you know,
I just try to get in and out and not
be super bummer and not be super wackado. But uh yeah,
that Born under Red sign is absurd.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's fun, man, fun as I was like, dude, this
is great, Like, oh my god, that's so for extuff.
Like I've totally like started songs like that just as
I'm driving down the road and I'm like, oh my god,
this is so great. And he recorded this and then
just the way it goes into the tune is awesome.
So no, I really appreciate you doing that. It's uh,
it's it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's how I mean. There's a thing I just I
did a I'll share with you this other interview I
did though with and it's someone asked me how to
how I kind of go about songwriting, and I touched
on some of this stuff about like some important and
inane ideas in the same song, you know, or just
(21:33):
next to each other, or how you seek with stuff. Yeah,
and uh and when I was saying that, I, uh shit,
I'm sorry. I just looked at my cat and I
just got sidetracked. What was I saying right before that?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I apologize you were talking about you were doing another interview?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, So so I think I said there's like five
different kind of thing like ways I go about it
a lot and lots of times. Yeah, I just pick
up my own and I hit record and I just
I just start singing something. That's all the time, and
a lot of those songs end up on a record
and that was this one. And they're not always great,
(22:13):
like that's really people know that, like, like they're not
always great. I don't I with the whole fifty to
fifty thing I was talking about and anything really has
a lot to do with it's just humility. And I
appreciate you being interested in talking to me, so thank you,
but I you know, I don't. It's kind of embarrassing
(22:36):
to me. Sometimes I do better with it now. But
and like when people tell me, like, ah, you should
be really popular, and I'm like, I gotta tell you,
I'm about as popular as I can handle it. I
think I'd lose my marbles if it was too much more,
you know. So anyways, maybe I do some of these
weird things that I do. There's a particular friend mind
(23:00):
that would you know, always thought that I was trying
to sabotage myself, you know, and yeah I'm not, but
I like, you know, because I really work really hard
at making it look like I don't work that hard.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I mean I got to catch your last set down
at Fest just a month or so ago, and you know,
just the way you just said that is perfect because
I mean the way that the way that you guys
played that show was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And and how you're just like, yeah, what's wrong is this?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We're doing this one.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's like we haven't rehearsed any of this, you know,
and like ready you go, and then you're playing it
and it was like, yeah, you made it all look
so easy.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But it all came off great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I can't imagine that was like a simple run
of shows to do or what however that all came about.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But well, I mean, you know what, Brett, I'm really
good at what I do. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm kidding.
But no, I mean shit, dude, like those two dudes
are great. That oh that's how I met you probably
hunh yeah, rat it is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah we uh So, just to give you the brief background,
I know those dudes from Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right now, I don't want to cut you off, but
I'm looking at this face.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh you're good.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I remember this good looking dude. Where do I Okay, sorry,
thanks buddy. No.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I so I lived in Greenville, South Carolina'm originally from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
And Jar and Dave were or are still in a
band called The Line and was on an independent record
label I ran out of Minneapolis called Blueworm Records a
million years ago. And so I've known those guys since
ninety nine or two thousand or so, and a Jar
(24:46):
played on a record with me. I was in a
band called Kingfield. He played second guitar on that, and
Dave and I have played together a handful of different
times and a few different incarnations. But when they told
me they were you know that Rattle came together and
I was listening that, and of course, I mean, I
love those dudes, and of course, I mean I'm just
into there, the same kind of punk rock that they
(25:06):
came up on. So for me, you know, they're like, yeah,
we're playing the Earl. I'm like, dude of coming down
to see it, and that I knew that. How that
came about is because they were going out with you,
going down to fest to do those shows. So that
was the first time I got to see you live
was at that show with Raging Nathan's and rad Awl
Reconciler and you. Yeah, So it was like three years
(25:29):
ago or so, and then here I am looking at
him like, oh, you're on rad girlfriend. Records, So I
didn't know that Josh put out your records in Josh
and Raging Nathan's And I've talked with Josh on this
podcast before, so it's all kinds of connections.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's super fun.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But yeah, that's how maybe then and then I, you know,
we sort of said hello when you were at Will's
Pub in Orlando, just.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
A little bit of go to oh right on. Yeah.
You know. It's funny though, because that's the first night
that I ever met Josh. He sent me a oh really,
you'd sent me a message out of out of the
blue and said, Hey, where I'm going down the fest?
Can we hop on that show? Mikey Erd is mutual
(26:09):
friends and he said you'd probably be cool with it.
I'm like, it sounds great. So then we hung out
and we had a fun time and he said, I
run this record label. He goes, I would love to
do something fun with you sometimes, and I said, I've
been wanting to put out a Halloween record for a
long time. I just got to put a couple of
other other pieces together in my brain. And so I
(26:33):
mean I I pressed all that stuff myself, and then
he does all the distro you know, in the US
form and then Thousand Islands does all the distro up there,
and then uh Spam, well, Spam Records did the barget
Wall record, and then Gunner Records in Germany did this record.
(26:57):
So the European pressings are like to but uh oh, okay, okay,
I love working with those dudes and like with you
know how like you know, like Canada like hassles people
when you go across and like wants to make sure
you have like what you're bringing across. And me to
declare like it's kind of because of people like me,
because I just drive right across with the with the
(27:19):
Thousand Records, I just disjow them myselves, you know, like
shoot the labels, you know, because that's how I don't know,
I don't want to sound like a hippie, but I
kind of am a fugazi kind of guy. And uh,
I think a lot of things cost too much, so
I do about everything I can do to keep things reasonable,
(27:42):
you know, Yeah, no, I hear you. I yeah. So
I've always pressed records with Pirates Press for the longest term.
But there's a guy and I'll just share this. Uh,
there's a guy named John Snodgrass, I'm not shitting you.
And uh, he is a company called hand Drawn Records
in Dallas and he's talked to me about doing the
(28:03):
records forever. And I asked, I mean, I don't know.
People always say, hey, it's business, it's not really with me.
I like, kind of, I'm really loyal with people that
I do stuff with. So I got to talk to
everybody before I do something different. Yea, and uh and
I Pirates was totally cool with it. So I was
so this record. I was able to uh press in Texas,
(28:28):
where I knew I was getting to start a tour
that was going perfect tour. Yeah, and then I just
took the stuff to Florida and I gave records to Josh.
His records to Josh in Florida and then uh yeah,
and then you know, got the records. It's yeah, it's dumb,
but in the end that's why, I mean, I don't
(28:50):
really know what records costs your record stores before, but
I know that mine's reasonable. Christ it makes me happy,
which which is silly though, because the bar Jewel record
we h. I drove out to to California to Stalton
Press and they actually pressed a thousand jackets for me
(29:14):
inside out, so the glossy parts on the inside, so
it's easier to screenprint on, which because that barget Will
like that is an OH thing, Like that's the kind
of stuff Oh did, Like he would do that stuff
for his band Fluff and I mean he did stuff
for you know, like Rocking from the Crypt, you know,
like just that kind of stuff. I mean, he's Oh
(29:37):
was a guy that uh he recorded the first Blink album.
He's did stuff with you know, Garden Variety. Like I mean, anyway,
see I'm going back to Oh, but uh, I'll get
back off that. But anyways he uh ah. I made
a tour happen then earlier in the year where I
(29:57):
picked up all those jackets and we were going to
scream print. I was going to start with the Stoke
Ghost record because that's just this one screen and what
it looked just awesome and it would have been easy.
But then I changed my mind and put out the
barget Will record first, and that's four screens. And the
ironic part is that Oh would have said to me,
He's like, don't do that, dude, what you doing? Like no, like, wait,
(30:22):
do do the ghost you know? So uh, and this
all comes together because that company in Dallas did a
great job with that Stoke Ghost record and it's all
full color, but it's full color black and white record, right,
And the other one is is gorgeous, you know. But
I mean they're all different, you know, like a little bit.
(30:44):
I mean it looks like a monet, you know type
of thing, and I love it. But that's just a
little extra bonus piece. I was telling you because if
he was here and saw those two things, he'd be like,
what are you doing? I didn't do it easy. I
did it the very hard, ridiculous way. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
No, I hear that. I hear that for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The well, so a couple questions, did so did Dave
and Burgo play on both of these last two records
or are they recording with you as well as as
playing live, or how who's playing music?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Or are you doing it all yourself? Or tell me
about that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, they didn't play on these records. And I during
the pandemic, right, I have to go back to the pandemic.
But sure during the pandemic, I don't know. I mean,
I've been just making up songs like since seventh grade
with like or sixth grade, going in the seventh grade
(31:50):
with little Chad, and we made him up all the time.
That's all we do. Like he does it too still.
I mean, I have a folder of all these new songs.
It's just what we do. And and like I said,
it's not always great. So I'm not like trying to,
you know, say I'm cool or anything, right, I'm just saying,
it's just all I know how to do. Some people
(32:12):
are Chris Harry can draw real good. I can. I can.
He doesn't love probably everything he does, you know. But
like regardless you you hear what I'm saying, it's it's
just the thing I'm doing anyways. So I mean, I'm
trying to think of what the first one was. Oh yeah,
there was a guy that was doing this concrete job
(32:33):
for us, and uh, and it's Jose, And I wrote
this jingle for him to try and help him get
some business, you know, and and uh, it's.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Like Jose Gonzalez. If you meed concrete, just call me
for Jose. Because he doesn't have a website. I did
that on the like just put that on like Facebook,
and he was stoked. He got some extra work.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And then I was just like a stoke do it.
And you know during COVID times there are all these
closed businesses, like this place that was doing yoga called
Yoga Pod. So I wrote a jingle for Yoga Pod.
I wrote a jingle for Dave ron Is where he
his hair cut in place, and and and this all
(33:19):
makes sense because about eight of those songs are actually
on side two of this record, right, just because I
could put them on there. But to answer your question,
so I was doing those jingles I did. I don't
want to exaggerate, but there's at least a hundred of them.
And so yeah, those aren't streaming, you know, like they
(33:43):
will when I find them all and put them together.
I just have like a couple hang ups, you know,
that I've had, like forever. I mean, another one is
just about like like money. I fucking hate it. It's
so gross. I don't like negotiating with people about money.
I don't like doing stuff. And the least that I
think about it, actually the better it goes. I don't
(34:04):
even worry about it. And and it's very and it's
like the philosophies I have too. I mean, you can't
you can't worry about things that you can't handle, I mean,
or you can't take care of right exactly. You just
do the best you can, and you know leading up
to that. So we did did those two records, and
the new record it's fifty to fifty is one hundred percent.
(34:25):
It's fine night. Fifty one percent, uh fifty one is success.
It's lack of a Dinosaur junior Junior. And that's that's
that's my new uh philosophical song and that I'll just
give you that little bit of it. But uh nice.
There's some weird shit that I've always played a kind
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of crunchy way, I mean, kind of not fully realized,
and between a couple between this chord that little Chad
had taught me and then this other version of a
thing that Bill taught me, and it just kind of
tied a lot of shit together. I can't wait to
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make the next one, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I got ten songs ready to go, and I think
I think six of them might be one of some
of the best songs I've ever written because it just
opened that thing, just opened me up in a in
a big way. It's like just cracked it wide open.
I'm pretty stoked. Well, yeah, it's like this, it's this
cole Porter like fucking jazz chord that you know, it's
(35:32):
like a between chord and it's there, and I played
like it makes so much sense to me, and I
played like weak versions of something that's kind of like that,
because when he showed it to me, I was kind
of like, okay, I mean, you know, I do this
and that song that we just recorded. And then I'm like, yeah,
but wait, there's more to this. Even I'm like, oh,
I only had half the story, you know, right, or
(35:55):
like yeah, it's fucking brat, I'm stoked. So well, it's
another version type of thing of this board that little
Chad had showed me that it's I mean, it's a
it's a secret code because they showed you people and
then they're like, oh, that's just I'm like, no, it
isn't because it looks like it looks like something else, right,
(36:16):
and I and then uh and then when I play it, uh,
it sounds like a cloud, almost jazz and almost beautiful.
It's it's dangerous. I love it that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That is awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It is well, let's sorry that I went on that tangent.
We're supposed to uh be talking about this. I'm no way, dude.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's all good because this is exactly the whole point
of this.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So let's let's just do this though.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I want to hear more about that when you're working
on next. So we're gonna take a quick break and
come back to find out what John Snodgrass is working
on next, and we'll be back in a minute. So
stay with us, all right, And we're back, so let's
can continue talking with John.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh shit, he's he's doing a jail.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Sorry, So we're talking with John Snodgrass. We've been chatting
about the Ghost Trilogy songs and that y'all heard a
bit ago and John was just talking about, you know,
he's got ten songs coming up like ready to record
on a new record. So John, what do you what's
going on with that? Like, what's the timeline for you
to get on a new record?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Where do you?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Also, I'm interested in knowing where you record, if you
do this all at home or you've got.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
A studio you specifically if you're just like wherever you're at.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
But what's going on with you with this new record
and what's coming up next for you?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I live in Fort Collins, Colorado with a blasting room, miss,
but no, there's no hurry to work on this. I
I mean, I already have most of these songs demoed,
but I kind of what I want to do is
so as you know, David Johnstrom and Jeremy Bergo will
(38:01):
play with me a lot. Yeah, they also have another band,
you know, so, But also there's gonna be one, two,
possibly six times where me and Bill and Miles will
(38:21):
show up and play some music in some places. And
that's just having to work around what Bill's schedule is.
But we kind of gonna lock a couple of things in.
And me saying that is mainly because these new songs
I have, I want to try and get two or
three going. Bill build it all the bass and wrote
(38:47):
all the bass, but Miles has been playing bass, and
I kind of want to do it. I like doing
every record different, you know what I mean, in one
way or another. And obviously I mean he kicked the
ass on the base and you know he can help
come up with some baseball like he always does. I
(39:08):
hope he does. But I want, I think I just
want to start in one of Miles just play on
it and it's like a three piece band. You know.
Ye In the credits of the Buddies record or of
this record, at the bottom of it, it says, you know,
(39:29):
it talks about like right now when I play shows
at Snygrass plus Buddies, and how that even that's embarrassing
to me, right like, uh, and I envision at some
point it's just buddies with all with whoever's playing with
me and like fine print underneath, and uh, that's that's
(39:50):
the idea, I guess. I mean, we already kind of
touched on it about me not wanting to exploit my friends.
I also, of course, I just want to be I
just want to be one of the buddies. Like I'm not.
I'm not a solo artist. I'm a I'm a guy
that likes just to play with other people. And I
know how to put together a band, and I know
how to put together a show, you know, and make
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things happen. And it's not supposed to be all about me,
supposed to be all about us, you know. Yeah, that's
that's what I think. Like I talk about, you know,
when there's an actor and he is so popular that
their name is above the title of a movie, right
(40:32):
or or a writer I mean like the most obviously
what I can think of, like like Mario Puzo's The Godfather,
which that's not even actually because he was so famous
that was probably part of the deal. Like he's like
I need a name on that. I want to sell
some fucking books. So I'm the opposite of that, like
like almost famous to the movie. I'm I'm more like
(40:53):
almost anonymous, and i just want to be a part
of it. You know. That's it. Yep, that's it. And
I talk. I feel like I'm talking about it so much,
and uh, it's I've been saying this lately too. It's
like it's actual irony because I'm talking so much about it.
But you know how like when a monk gets his
ship together and he has like a vow silence, Yeah,
(41:17):
I'll be speaking less. I mean like it won't be
a vour silence, but there will be some silence less talking.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
That's a lot of ideas that I like to talk about. Yeah,
you know what I mean, and I do, And that's it.
That's really all there is to it. I know I'm
insufferable sometimes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I think we all are to some degree, right, Yeah, No,
that's that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
John.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, man, I'm just I mean, sure, there's so many
different questions that I'd want to ask you about, all
the things that you don't want to talk about, and
so I don't want to do any of that and
really respect and honor kind of the artists that you are.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
And I know that, Yeah, you don't take yourself too seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
And I appreciate all all of the all the things
you said about you know, kind of how you approach
all of this because all those frankly really resonate with me.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I take myself seriously. I mean, I don't want you
to get the right, but I don't like it, So
I don't take it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You're not like too seriously, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
It is like, sure, we all take ourselves seriously, I think,
but I don't get a vibe from you that like
you think you're the most important person in the room.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know, Oh, that's just the grossest thing I could
ever even. You know, if someone thought I was that,
I would probably jump off a cliff, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm not even like that's just like yeah,
and I don't know. I mean, I'm getting I'm older now,
and I just have different different ways of thinking about
things and different priorities. I definitely don't want to argue
(42:57):
or think about any you know, like yep, I don't.
I'm not hung up on anything if and you know,
not everyone gets along, right sure, like that's the thing. Like, okay,
so like fat Mike had said to me recently, and
because he's trying to be funny too, but he's like
(43:18):
and then he said, no, I'm not trying to be funny,
but but he goes, uh, he goes, which is a
very nice compliment, right, but he goes. Everybody in punk
rock like they they all love you. And I don't
know why. I'm like, okay, guy, like that's its first whatever,
(43:39):
you know, And I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But fuck.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
And I was telling that story for a reason, not
taking yourself too seriously. Oh oh, I mean I right, Uh,
there was some of that in there.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah. Fuck, it's all good. Like I'm already like talking
too much about it, you know. But somewhere in there,
I was getting to a point though where I was
gonna you know, there's a lot of humility in there.
I don't remember it, and I I apologize. I did
just get home and my brain might have just might
(44:22):
have just said, dude, fuck it, I'm done, you good, dumb,
it's time for the vow was silence.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
No, it's it's it's all good, John, And I would
be one of the things that you've said more than
once on this conversation is talking about humility, and to me,
that's also incredibly foundational thing for me to root myself
in every morning. So, right, I really appreciate you hearing that,
because I mean, right, I mean, if I got you know,
if I got nothing but gratitude humility to start my day,
(44:52):
then my day is going to go in a better
way than it is if I think I'm in control
of a bunch of shit that I have no control
for it at all, and and and mostly tached outcomes
of things I can't affect. And it's like, you know,
I can just do my part and do the next
right thing and just be a good person as much
as I can, and cool like that's that's what I'll
try to do today, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Right. And and then the other part of that though
then too is uh that I say a lot and
we can end on this is like, because there's a
lot of folks I guess this kind of goes with
the maybe taking yourself too seriously kind of thing too,
Like there's a lot of band people or stuff in there,
(45:29):
like and I've said this before because because people like
good friends of mine have brought up and they've said,
but but I am trying to make it, John, and
I go, but you've already made it. We've all made it.
Like this is success. It's all relative. But you play
(45:51):
music and do what we do and I get to
talk to you on a podcast and like, and you're interested,
and you know, I get to make records and travel around.
It doesn't matter what it's it's all the same, you know, right,
And in my opinion, right because you know, I'll just say, like, yeah,
there's just people out there just trying to make it
and they don't realize that that they made it.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
They already did and like and then you know, with.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
All this kind of class warship that's going on you
know now too, it reminds me of my favorite first joke.
And I'll leave you on this, right because this would
be great, and then I'm going to go for the
ballot silence. Okay, but my first favorite joke. I love
it so much he gives this. There's this writer and
(46:36):
he was He was a stand up comedian. His name
was Drake Sailor and he like wrote on a show
called news Radio. He wrote on that's probably one of
the most famous ones you may have heard of. He
worked with Norm McDonald a lot. He's that kind of
a dark, you know, comedian, and he had this joke
where he's like, so I go into this uh McDonald's
(47:03):
mc donald's restaurant and they had this, uh you know,
this like clear house in a box thing. It was like,
give money, give money to the Ronald McDonald's house, you know,
and I'm thinking, how big of a fucking house does
this clown me?
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Well, John, thank you so much for coming in and
taking some time to talk with me about Ghost Trilogy
and everything else. And now you're unavoidable vowve silence.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I'm just holding my breath right now. And the thing
is funny though, that needs to be mentioned that uh,
like I wanted to put out all that stuff together,
the Ghost Trilogy, like it's on my computer and it
was on my in my drive and that's how I
was able to descend it. But it's just song three,
(48:01):
four and five, you know, on right right? But because
I fucked up. You know, I like being accountable too.
I like to admit it when I fuck up. YEA,
love it, you know. But who who is the person
at the record label that's going to get mad at me?
It would be me because in the end it all
(48:23):
comes back to that. You know, I'm the only one
letting myself down and doesn't matter, does not matter? Okay
that was silence now.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Right on?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Well thanks again, John is awesome chat with you, and
I look forward to seeing you the next time you
roll through, either as buddies or you know, intil with
some other friends that I hopefully I can come see
you and have.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
A good time.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
So yeah, Bratt, stay in touch. I mean it.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I will do the same man, all right, thanks.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Tony, It's time for the B side break down, d Johnson.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
I'm gonna feeling just the funny thing, Glynn.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
This country's too too fell when waiting gender roles and
not feeding riches, all the power hungry cops that.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Kill paus kissing up two people and put them out
on the steam poles, and what the fuck happened to
our safe It's just showing both with my head look
to do as that of Fras. Gotta found my head
a beef place and so.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm looking for a time.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, what's too many topics? I'm sad. Now I'll shine
through that ship and I'm hemming all the time again,
mister Tudor rod Men waiting.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
All the perfect yeh, all right, and that wraps up
another episode of the B Side Breakdown. I want to
thank John Snodgrass for a handful of reasons for coming
on to talk about the Ghost Trilogy from his Stoked
Ghost EP. I also want to thank him for just
generously putting together this jingle that you heard at the
beginning and the end of this episode that he did.
(50:15):
That's just awesome, man, Thank you so much for doing that.
In the background, you're listening to a song called perfect
Hit by the band Bandages. If you dig it, go
back and listen to the previous episode, because that's what
it was all about. Up next, I got a song
called Buffalo by a band called Nowhere Fast, and I'll
give you a taste of that at the end of
this episode. Please subscribe to this podcast wherever you get
your podcast. Can't thank you enough for your ongoing support
(50:38):
and you know, hey, stay safe out there and we'll
catch up in the next one.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Thanks Die from Rossity Feeds, Stay Bread Be Spill Feeds,
(51:15):
chalous Man's Fabu, the reaton.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Cool Cool.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
We don't need to see, we don't need to spake,
Pat
Hey, it's time for the B Side Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Brett Johnson.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. My name
is Brett Johnson and I am your host. This is
episode thirty two of a podcast where I talk with
other artists, musicians and songwriters about a song they've written
that is meaningful to them that they wanted chat about
get deep into the why behind it. But first they
need to give me permission to play it in its
entirety on this episode, so you the listener can hear
it first and then it'll make some sense with our
(00:29):
conversation that subsequently follows. So anyway, today I'm gonna be
talking with John Snodgrass about kind of a trio of
tracks off his recent stoked Ghost EP that he's calling
the Ghost Trilogy. So let's get into it. Here is
the Ghost Trilogy by John Snodgrass.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You call them bad times, They was the best time.
Really miss that friend of mine. I want to see
him shine, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He was.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Really missed that friend of mine? Why miss those times?
The news was right and everybody said farewell. I mean
(01:53):
you would already said goodbye and the meet why you turn?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Didn't want to mix.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The thing that I'm rember is you say good bye,
hide me.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Bout see, no talk bout it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You only live when.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Some day say just take it easy on yourself and
anyone you would ever meet. You're taking easy on the equipment.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just do the thing. I knew the car was waiting.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I was running down the street trying to catch a
cap to the.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Bar where I would me.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
All my friends acquaintances doesn't matter to night. It's all
about the songs and not the fad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Y by saying.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
It could be too one car song shop, you take
me for.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Who days are asking to song.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That we go so well.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
God send to you this message from a time so
far and said it wist you were here. So we said,
it's so great shape, lots of celebration, but that so
far her she rings out.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Just got to.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
See my nerve every body saying come de two ninety
one more so.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
The shop takes deep far that bell.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
We ain't shot guys.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Too so.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That we got so well.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
That we got so well.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That don't so well, yo, don't so.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
That also.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That that so.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Ca cuckle cat cat cat catch born on the Red Side.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Drive around and do crimes, do bonn.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
On the rat side.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
That side, all right, And that was Ghost Trilogy by
(06:20):
John Snodgrass. We're gonna take a quick break and come
back and talk to John about the three songs that
comprise the trilogy and find out more about him. So
stay with us, all right, and we're back. Let's bring
in John to talk more about the songs that comprise
Ghost Trilogy. Hey, John, thank you for taking some time
tonight to talk with me about the songs.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, thanks, Brett. I hope you guys like that. You know,
it's funny. I gotta say right off the bat that
that thing I was originally gonna put those three songs,
those things out on their own. And then the first
song on that record, the Stoke Ghost is this. It's
(07:04):
a Buck Owens song, and that was was out on
exactly on Halloween. And then the Warren zbon cover, which
is about Bill Lee the baseball player, that was going
to come out when postseason baseball started, right. Yeah, And
here's the deal. I just screwed it up, like user error,
(07:28):
and I was on tour and I didn't have a
laptop with me, and I totally screwed it up. And
this Ghost trilogy thing like that was the thing about
it is that it is as serious and then obviously
there's some stuff that's not serious. And that's just kind
of how I try to mix up, you know, something
(07:49):
that's heavy duty, you know, like doing a I wanted
to do a Tony Slie song and then I did
the song. Like me talking about this and actually doing
an interview about it is sort of exactly what I
wasn't going to do. I didn't want to make like
a huge deal out of it. I wanted people just
to know, you know, like people who did know, like
his family and stuff. I asked they like that. But
(08:11):
the Stoke Ghost song, which I've never had a record
that's has a title track before, right, So yeah, I
wrote that, you know, I mean obvious, like when the
year after on the anniversary when he died, and it
just kind of happened and I just wrote that. But
(08:31):
also then I finished it. I guess it kind of
became a bit of an amalgam, you know, with a
couple other folks. And then when their artwork came in,
I saw my friend Francisco's art of that ghost on
a skateboard. Yeah, and that is when Oh passed away,
(08:53):
and I was like, fuck, and then that was the
I'm like, that's got to be the artwork, you know,
that has to be the thing. And Tony was born
on bugs birthday, and I had a song when when
Bug died and it's on the record before that was
supposed to be the last song of those three, but
I stole it for another record that came out earlier
(09:16):
in the year. And Tony always wanted the name of
Scorpio's record Born under a rad Sign. So the beginning
of that, like that thing that was just trying to
make Scorpios laugh, you know, and uh it made him laugh.
(09:36):
I don't think anyone was interested in it. But then
you know, then I send the same thing to Bill
and then uh right where it. Yeah, he put drums
in and we made it a real song. I mean,
it's dumb as shit, but it's kind of not because
the lyrics are the original lyrics to the whole dumb
(09:57):
thing about driving around and doing crimes. That's that's the
silly lyric I had for It's a Scorpio song, and
it's called slick back wig Hair, Okay, And that's a
song that me and Tony sang during soundtrack all the
time before he died in Europe and a slick back
wig hair driving around doing crimes. Motherfucker doesn't even care.
(10:20):
Like it's just so stupid. But so I'm pretty good
at writing inside jokes or something for like one person
and in this and in this case, someone who's not
even around anymore, right, But yeah, that's the whole thing.
Like in the credits of the record, like the little
emoji with the ghost, you know that I started using
(10:43):
that kind of for me, and then first family and
stuff like I would when I would like I told
I think Bridge, it's the first person I said this to,
and I'm like, if you ever see a text and
I have this little ghost, it's because I think it's something,
uh Tony Sly would think it's funny. And it was
(11:03):
my kind of sweet way of, I don't know, keeping
them in the conversation. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the whole thing.
And then you know, but then Bug was born. They
had the same birthday, so like Bug died now, so
now I can talk about both of them, you know,
because like it was so sad because like, yeah, anyways,
(11:24):
so any other questions.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
No, none, none, If you're willing, I need you to.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I need you to back up and kind of
go through some of this a little bit again, because
there's a lot of listeners that don't have a clue
of any of the people you're talking about and and
all the events that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So so, Tony Sly was in a band called No
Use no Use for a name. Yeah, the flagship bands
on Fat Records. I think Fat Mike is known to
set here. He said to me, he's that is his
favorite songwriter or like best songwriter that's ever been on
(12:07):
the label, you know. I think he would say like
including himself type of thing. And he was a good
I met him and oh shit, oh i'd met him before.
I guess I met him in like ninety five or
ninety four ninety five because Chris Shiplet was a friend
(12:29):
of mine and he had joined his band, okay, and
then I remember us all, well that's the thing, and
then me and him like an oh, you know who
I was just talking about. Yeah, it was on the
warp Tour before it was a Van's Warped Tour whenever
that first one was. I think the first stop actually
(12:49):
was in Boulder anyway, So that's just me describing this
guy Tony so that he was in no use your name.
He did a he was in a band with me
that we called Scorpios. We thought it was a good
idea to everyone, was Scorpios. You know, I'm born in
the year, born in the time of the year.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And yeah, it turns out that wasn't probably a great idea.
Scorpios are kind of dicks. But I'll say this. You know,
we're Scorpio rising. We're on the early side. That's the
ones on the back end, you know. Regardless.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Uh so, uh so there's that when that that Stoked ghost, right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, the Stoke ghost was him, Okay, I mean like, yeah,
he's like the but it's when I saw that artwork,
you know, and then oh passed away. Who oh uh
otis Bartholomew. A lot of people just oh he is
a He was a mentor to me and to a
lot of people. He was a lot A lot of
(13:57):
people say he is a he was a ah everyone's
best friend, you know. When he died. I mean people
from you know, from Kurt Cobain to Tony Hawk to
j Mascus to you know, the Melvins to the magazine
(14:17):
Transworld Skate you know, uhh yeah's you know from the
skate world and the photography world in the rock and
roll world. Very respected dude and he was from San Diego.
He is the actual reason why my first band, Archer
Martians with Cargo Headhunter, because he heard our first demo
(14:43):
and the owner at Cargo, Eric who ended up, you know,
loving it. But when he first heard it he said,
he's like, yeah, it's pretty derivative and I'm like, hurt
my feelings and it is what music is if it
isn't like right, you know, but regardless. But now he's like, yeah, anyways,
(15:06):
it doesn't matter. But he is responsible for that. And
then I used to break a lot of strings on
this telecaster guitar that I used, and he worked very
closely with Fender okay, and he connected me with Fender
(15:28):
guitars and I'm still a very proud Fender guitar artist.
Nice I got a guitar from them in nineteen ninety
seven from Alex Perez And it's it's funny because dude,
the day before he died, I was texting him about
(15:49):
that guitar and saying, I really need to reach out
to them and just I mean to the guy Alex
in particular, you know, because it's the only it's the
only guitar I used, because the other one got stolen
and they were like kind of identical. Then this company
called Nash Guitars built me another one. So I have
two guitars that are almost that are very similar that
(16:09):
they look the same. But I've been playing that guitar
since nineteen ninety seven, you know, and I'll about it
and it's awesome. And it was the day before and
I was like because it was before email, you know, right,
or at least before I had email Alex's phone number
written on the wall, you know, of the house I
(16:32):
lived in, you know, like it was like those days,
you know, it was right urpy, and it was really
kind of weird about that. I mean, I can, you know,
I can scroll back, like he's one of those dudes.
Are you an iPhone user? I am? You know how
like just I don't have it set so my messages disappear, right,
(16:55):
but sometimes things get clogged up. I got to get
rid of some stuff, but like certain people, I mean,
I can just go lee, you know, and it goes
to like, you know, ten years back or however, however
far back it goes right right, I talked to a lot,
you know, and uh, anyways, that was that was the
fucking catastrophe and that was terrible. So, like I said,
(17:17):
and then the guy Francisco, he is a great artist
that yeah he lives in uh in Milwaukee, but I
met him in Chicago at the Fireside Bowl, you know,
so he's the first dude I met. He was my
so I like to say he was my first friend
in Chicago. And then uh, my second friend. Uh it
(17:40):
was Lauren Shaw and she was working at the bar
at the Fireside Bowl, and uh, I guess I'd already
met Miguel. But anyways, these are people you know that
I've known like forever, and uh, having Frien help you know,
let me use that art, you know, was a really
it was a really big deal because I just saw it,
you know, and I'm like, oh, that's it, you know,
(18:01):
like I had all the songs, you know, and it
just conceptualized it in my brain, you know. So so yeah,
that's the story with that, Okay, anaim all the people.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So that was Stow Ghost and liver Let Die, and
then we have Born under a Rat Sign.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh yeah no, but I meant all the characters from
the story.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I started talking, yes, yes, yes, that that seems to
be all of them.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah no. So yeah, it starts with the
Stoke Ghost and that song, but it goes in the
liver Let Die, which is a song that Tony had done,
and he uh, you know, much like him saying like,
let's name my record Born under a Rat Sign. He
used to always kind of think about, like because how
(18:48):
that song ends. It's like one song, and he always
wanted it to be like, yeah, we would finish with
that song and then we could be really interesting with
whatever the next song that we would go into. Ye
kind of just again back to just inside jokes and
(19:10):
private conversations I had, you know with with him. Yeah,
I mean not private, but you know what I mean
to do. There was no flys on the wall. Uh
and uh yeah. So that's why that is funny to
me because you know, the first song sad, and but
I think it has a good message to it, just
(19:31):
you know, the whole we would always talk about, you know,
like you know when back when people would always say
like yo know and they're like, yo, did it once
and I was I'm like, that's true. Just take it easy,
you know, like easy on the equipment, which being funny,
(19:51):
the record that I said I stole the other song
from is from the record called barget Will that came
out earlier, and that was one of O sayings. Then
he would say bars it will. But he also would
say take it easy. And that is the yin and
yang of things for me. Take it easy, barge it will,
bars it will. Got it?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
There's a lot. Uh yeah, sometimes it may be. I
don't know. I think some people and I definitely was
one of them too. I kind of don't ever want
to take myself too seriously. You know, everyone, we're all
just I always say, we're all equally significant, insignificant and
(20:34):
lucky to live in the time of Willie Nelson, right,
And uh that being said, you know, uh, you know,
I just try to get in and out and not
be super bummer and not be super wackado. But uh yeah,
that Born under Red sign is absurd.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's fun, man, fun as I was like, dude, this
is great, Like, oh my god, that's so for extuff.
Like I've totally like started songs like that just as
I'm driving down the road and I'm like, oh my god,
this is so great. And he recorded this and then
just the way it goes into the tune is awesome.
So no, I really appreciate you doing that. It's uh,
it's it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's how I mean. There's a thing I just I
did a I'll share with you this other interview I
did though with and it's someone asked me how to
how I kind of go about songwriting, and I touched
on some of this stuff about like some important and
inane ideas in the same song, you know, or just
(21:33):
next to each other, or how you seek with stuff. Yeah,
and uh and when I was saying that, I, uh shit,
I'm sorry. I just looked at my cat and I
just got sidetracked. What was I saying right before that?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I apologize you were talking about you were doing another interview?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, So so I think I said there's like five
different kind of thing like ways I go about it
a lot and lots of times. Yeah, I just pick
up my own and I hit record and I just
I just start singing something. That's all the time, and
a lot of those songs end up on a record
and that was this one. And they're not always great,
(22:13):
like that's really people know that, like, like they're not
always great. I don't I with the whole fifty to
fifty thing I was talking about and anything really has
a lot to do with it's just humility. And I
appreciate you being interested in talking to me, so thank you,
but I you know, I don't. It's kind of embarrassing
(22:36):
to me. Sometimes I do better with it now. But
and like when people tell me, like, ah, you should
be really popular, and I'm like, I gotta tell you,
I'm about as popular as I can handle it. I
think I'd lose my marbles if it was too much more,
you know. So anyways, maybe I do some of these
weird things that I do. There's a particular friend mind
(23:00):
that would you know, always thought that I was trying
to sabotage myself, you know, and yeah I'm not, but
I like, you know, because I really work really hard
at making it look like I don't work that hard.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I mean I got to catch your last set down
at Fest just a month or so ago, and you know,
just the way you just said that is perfect because
I mean the way that the way that you guys
played that show was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And and how you're just like, yeah, what's wrong is this?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We're doing this one.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's like we haven't rehearsed any of this, you know,
and like ready you go, and then you're playing it
and it was like, yeah, you made it all look
so easy.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But it all came off great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And I can't imagine that was like a simple run
of shows to do or what however that all came about.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But well, I mean, you know what, Brett, I'm really
good at what I do. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm kidding.
But no, I mean shit, dude, like those two dudes
are great. That oh that's how I met you probably
hunh yeah, rat it is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah we uh So, just to give you the brief background,
I know those dudes from Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right now, I don't want to cut you off, but
I'm looking at this face.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh you're good.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I remember this good looking dude. Where do I Okay, sorry,
thanks buddy. No.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I so I lived in Greenville, South Carolina'm originally from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
And Jar and Dave were or are still in a
band called The Line and was on an independent record
label I ran out of Minneapolis called Blueworm Records a
million years ago. And so I've known those guys since
ninety nine or two thousand or so, and a Jar
(24:46):
played on a record with me. I was in a
band called Kingfield. He played second guitar on that, and
Dave and I have played together a handful of different
times and a few different incarnations. But when they told
me they were you know that Rattle came together and
I was listening that, and of course, I mean, I
love those dudes, and of course, I mean I'm just
into there, the same kind of punk rock that they
(25:06):
came up on. So for me, you know, they're like, yeah,
we're playing the Earl. I'm like, dude of coming down
to see it, and that I knew that. How that
came about is because they were going out with you,
going down to fest to do those shows. So that
was the first time I got to see you live
was at that show with Raging Nathan's and rad Awl
Reconciler and you. Yeah, So it was like three years
(25:29):
ago or so, and then here I am looking at
him like, oh, you're on rad girlfriend. Records, So I
didn't know that Josh put out your records in Josh
and Raging Nathan's And I've talked with Josh on this
podcast before, so it's all kinds of connections.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's super fun.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
But yeah, that's how maybe then and then I, you know,
we sort of said hello when you were at Will's
Pub in Orlando, just.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
A little bit of go to oh right on. Yeah.
You know. It's funny though, because that's the first night
that I ever met Josh. He sent me a oh really,
you'd sent me a message out of out of the
blue and said, Hey, where I'm going down the fest?
Can we hop on that show? Mikey Erd is mutual
(26:09):
friends and he said you'd probably be cool with it.
I'm like, it sounds great. So then we hung out
and we had a fun time and he said, I
run this record label. He goes, I would love to
do something fun with you sometimes, and I said, I've
been wanting to put out a Halloween record for a
long time. I just got to put a couple of
other other pieces together in my brain. And so I
(26:33):
mean I I pressed all that stuff myself, and then
he does all the distro you know, in the US
form and then Thousand Islands does all the distro up there,
and then uh Spam, well, Spam Records did the barget
Wall record, and then Gunner Records in Germany did this record.
(26:57):
So the European pressings are like to but uh oh, okay, okay,
I love working with those dudes and like with you
know how like you know, like Canada like hassles people
when you go across and like wants to make sure
you have like what you're bringing across. And me to
declare like it's kind of because of people like me,
because I just drive right across with the with the
(27:19):
Thousand Records, I just disjow them myselves, you know, like
shoot the labels, you know, because that's how I don't know,
I don't want to sound like a hippie, but I
kind of am a fugazi kind of guy. And uh,
I think a lot of things cost too much, so
I do about everything I can do to keep things reasonable,
(27:42):
you know, Yeah, no, I hear you. I yeah. So
I've always pressed records with Pirates Press for the longest term.
But there's a guy and I'll just share this. Uh,
there's a guy named John Snodgrass, I'm not shitting you.
And uh, he is a company called hand Drawn Records
in Dallas and he's talked to me about doing the
(28:03):
records forever. And I asked, I mean, I don't know.
People always say, hey, it's business, it's not really with me.
I like, kind of, I'm really loyal with people that
I do stuff with. So I got to talk to
everybody before I do something different. Yea, and uh and
I Pirates was totally cool with it. So I was
so this record. I was able to uh press in Texas,
(28:28):
where I knew I was getting to start a tour
that was going perfect tour. Yeah, and then I just
took the stuff to Florida and I gave records to Josh.
His records to Josh in Florida and then uh yeah,
and then you know, got the records. It's yeah, it's dumb,
but in the end that's why, I mean, I don't
(28:50):
really know what records costs your record stores before, but
I know that mine's reasonable. Christ it makes me happy,
which which is silly though, because the bar Jewel record
we h. I drove out to to California to Stalton
Press and they actually pressed a thousand jackets for me
(29:14):
inside out, so the glossy parts on the inside, so
it's easier to screenprint on, which because that barget Will
like that is an OH thing, Like that's the kind
of stuff Oh did, Like he would do that stuff
for his band Fluff and I mean he did stuff
for you know, like Rocking from the Crypt, you know,
like just that kind of stuff. I mean, he's Oh
(29:37):
was a guy that uh he recorded the first Blink album.
He's did stuff with you know, Garden Variety. Like I mean, anyway,
see I'm going back to Oh, but uh, I'll get
back off that. But anyways he uh ah. I made
a tour happen then earlier in the year where I
(29:57):
picked up all those jackets and we were going to
scream print. I was going to start with the Stoke
Ghost record because that's just this one screen and what
it looked just awesome and it would have been easy.
But then I changed my mind and put out the
barget Will record first, and that's four screens. And the
ironic part is that Oh would have said to me,
He's like, don't do that, dude, what you doing? Like no, like, wait,
(30:22):
do do the ghost you know? So uh, and this
all comes together because that company in Dallas did a
great job with that Stoke Ghost record and it's all
full color, but it's full color black and white record, right,
And the other one is is gorgeous, you know. But
I mean they're all different, you know, like a little bit.
(30:44):
I mean it looks like a monet, you know type
of thing, and I love it. But that's just a
little extra bonus piece. I was telling you because if
he was here and saw those two things, he'd be like,
what are you doing? I didn't do it easy. I
did it the very hard, ridiculous way. You know.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
No, I hear that. I hear that for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
The well, so a couple questions, did so did Dave
and Burgo play on both of these last two records
or are they recording with you as well as as
playing live, or how who's playing music?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Or are you doing it all yourself? Or tell me
about that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, they didn't play on these records. And I during
the pandemic, right, I have to go back to the pandemic.
But sure during the pandemic, I don't know. I mean,
I've been just making up songs like since seventh grade
with like or sixth grade, going in the seventh grade
(31:50):
with little Chad, and we made him up all the time.
That's all we do. Like he does it too still.
I mean, I have a folder of all these new songs.
It's just what we do. And and like I said,
it's not always great. So I'm not like trying to,
you know, say I'm cool or anything, right, I'm just saying,
it's just all I know how to do. Some people
(32:12):
are Chris Harry can draw real good. I can. I can.
He doesn't love probably everything he does, you know. But
like regardless you you hear what I'm saying, it's it's
just the thing I'm doing anyways. So I mean, I'm
trying to think of what the first one was. Oh yeah,
there was a guy that was doing this concrete job
(32:33):
for us, and uh, and it's Jose, And I wrote
this jingle for him to try and help him get
some business, you know, and and uh, it's.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Like Jose Gonzalez. If you meed concrete, just call me
for Jose. Because he doesn't have a website. I did
that on the like just put that on like Facebook,
and he was stoked. He got some extra work.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And then I was just like a stoke do it.
And you know during COVID times there are all these
closed businesses, like this place that was doing yoga called
Yoga Pod. So I wrote a jingle for Yoga Pod.
I wrote a jingle for Dave ron Is where he
his hair cut in place, and and and this all
(33:19):
makes sense because about eight of those songs are actually
on side two of this record, right, just because I
could put them on there. But to answer your question,
so I was doing those jingles I did. I don't
want to exaggerate, but there's at least a hundred of them.
And so yeah, those aren't streaming, you know, like they
(33:43):
will when I find them all and put them together.
I just have like a couple hang ups, you know,
that I've had, like forever. I mean, another one is
just about like like money. I fucking hate it. It's
so gross. I don't like negotiating with people about money.
I don't like doing stuff. And the least that I
think about it, actually the better it goes. I don't
(34:04):
even worry about it. And and it's very and it's
like the philosophies I have too. I mean, you can't
you can't worry about things that you can't handle, I mean,
or you can't take care of right exactly. You just
do the best you can, and you know leading up
to that. So we did did those two records, and
the new record it's fifty to fifty is one hundred percent.
(34:25):
It's fine night. Fifty one percent, uh fifty one is success.
It's lack of a Dinosaur junior Junior. And that's that's
that's my new uh philosophical song and that I'll just
give you that little bit of it. But uh nice.
There's some weird shit that I've always played a kind
(34:45):
of crunchy way, I mean, kind of not fully realized,
and between a couple between this chord that little Chad
had taught me and then this other version of a
thing that Bill taught me, and it just kind of
tied a lot of shit together. I can't wait to
(35:07):
make the next one, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I got ten songs ready to go, and I think
I think six of them might be one of some
of the best songs I've ever written because it just
opened that thing, just opened me up in a in
a big way. It's like just cracked it wide open.
I'm pretty stoked. Well, yeah, it's like this, it's this
cole Porter like fucking jazz chord that you know, it's
(35:32):
like a between chord and it's there, and I played
like it makes so much sense to me, and I
played like weak versions of something that's kind of like that,
because when he showed it to me, I was kind
of like, okay, I mean, you know, I do this
and that song that we just recorded. And then I'm like, yeah,
but wait, there's more to this. Even I'm like, oh,
I only had half the story, you know, right, or
(35:55):
like yeah, it's fucking brat, I'm stoked. So well, it's
another version type of thing of this board that little
Chad had showed me that it's I mean, it's a
it's a secret code because they showed you people and
then they're like, oh, that's just I'm like, no, it
isn't because it looks like it looks like something else, right,
(36:16):
and I and then uh and then when I play it, uh,
it sounds like a cloud, almost jazz and almost beautiful.
It's it's dangerous. I love it that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
That is awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It is well, let's sorry that I went on that tangent.
We're supposed to uh be talking about this. I'm no way, dude.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's all good because this is exactly the whole point
of this.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So let's let's just do this though.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I want to hear more about that when you're working
on next. So we're gonna take a quick break and
come back to find out what John Snodgrass is working
on next, and we'll be back in a minute. So
stay with us, all right, And we're back, so let's
can continue talking with John.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh shit, he's he's doing a jail.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Sorry, So we're talking with John Snodgrass. We've been chatting
about the Ghost Trilogy songs and that y'all heard a
bit ago and John was just talking about, you know,
he's got ten songs coming up like ready to record
on a new record. So John, what do you what's
going on with that? Like, what's the timeline for you
to get on a new record?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Where do you?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Also, I'm interested in knowing where you record, if you
do this all at home or you've got.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
A studio you specifically if you're just like wherever you're at.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
But what's going on with you with this new record
and what's coming up next for you?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I live in Fort Collins, Colorado with a blasting room, miss,
but no, there's no hurry to work on this. I
I mean, I already have most of these songs demoed,
but I kind of what I want to do is
so as you know, David Johnstrom and Jeremy Bergo will
(38:01):
play with me a lot. Yeah, they also have another band,
you know, so, But also there's gonna be one, two,
possibly six times where me and Bill and Miles will
(38:21):
show up and play some music in some places. And
that's just having to work around what Bill's schedule is.
But we kind of gonna lock a couple of things in.
And me saying that is mainly because these new songs
I have, I want to try and get two or
three going. Bill build it all the bass and wrote
(38:47):
all the bass, but Miles has been playing bass, and
I kind of want to do it. I like doing
every record different, you know what I mean, in one
way or another. And obviously I mean he kicked the
ass on the base and you know he can help
come up with some baseball like he always does. I
(39:08):
hope he does. But I want, I think I just
want to start in one of Miles just play on
it and it's like a three piece band. You know.
Ye In the credits of the Buddies record or of
this record, at the bottom of it, it says, you know,
(39:29):
it talks about like right now when I play shows
at Snygrass plus Buddies, and how that even that's embarrassing
to me, right like, uh, and I envision at some
point it's just buddies with all with whoever's playing with
me and like fine print underneath, and uh, that's that's
(39:50):
the idea, I guess. I mean, we already kind of
touched on it about me not wanting to exploit my friends.
I also, of course, I just want to be I
just want to be one of the buddies. Like I'm not.
I'm not a solo artist. I'm a I'm a guy
that likes just to play with other people. And I
know how to put together a band, and I know
how to put together a show, you know, and make
(40:11):
things happen. And it's not supposed to be all about me,
supposed to be all about us, you know. Yeah, that's
that's what I think. Like I talk about, you know,
when there's an actor and he is so popular that
their name is above the title of a movie, right
(40:32):
or or a writer I mean like the most obviously
what I can think of, like like Mario Puzo's The Godfather,
which that's not even actually because he was so famous
that was probably part of the deal. Like he's like
I need a name on that. I want to sell
some fucking books. So I'm the opposite of that, like
like almost famous to the movie. I'm I'm more like
(40:53):
almost anonymous, and i just want to be a part
of it. You know. That's it. Yep, that's it. And
I talk. I feel like I'm talking about it so much,
and uh, it's I've been saying this lately too. It's
like it's actual irony because I'm talking so much about it.
But you know how like when a monk gets his
ship together and he has like a vow silence, Yeah,
(41:17):
I'll be speaking less. I mean like it won't be
a vour silence, but there will be some silence less talking.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
That's a lot of ideas that I like to talk about. Yeah,
you know what I mean, and I do, And that's it.
That's really all there is to it. I know I'm
insufferable sometimes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I think we all are to some degree, right, Yeah, No,
that's that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
John.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, man, I'm just I mean, sure, there's so many
different questions that I'd want to ask you about, all
the things that you don't want to talk about, and
so I don't want to do any of that and
really respect and honor kind of the artists that you are.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
And I know that, Yeah, you don't take yourself too seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
And I appreciate all all of the all the things
you said about you know, kind of how you approach
all of this because all those frankly really resonate with me.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I take myself seriously. I mean, I don't want you
to get the right, but I don't like it, So
I don't take it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You're not like too seriously, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
It is like, sure, we all take ourselves seriously, I think,
but I don't get a vibe from you that like
you think you're the most important person in the room.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know, Oh, that's just the grossest thing I could
ever even. You know, if someone thought I was that,
I would probably jump off a cliff, you know what
I mean, Like, I'm not even like that's just like yeah,
and I don't know. I mean, I'm getting I'm older now,
and I just have different different ways of thinking about
things and different priorities. I definitely don't want to argue
(42:57):
or think about any you know, like yep, I don't.
I'm not hung up on anything if and you know,
not everyone gets along, right sure, like that's the thing. Like, okay,
so like fat Mike had said to me recently, and
because he's trying to be funny too, but he's like
(43:18):
and then he said, no, I'm not trying to be funny,
but but he goes, uh, he goes, which is a
very nice compliment, right, but he goes. Everybody in punk
rock like they they all love you. And I don't
know why. I'm like, okay, guy, like that's its first whatever,
(43:39):
you know, And I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But fuck.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
And I was telling that story for a reason, not
taking yourself too seriously. Oh oh, I mean I right, Uh,
there was some of that in there.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah. Fuck, it's all good. Like I'm already like talking
too much about it, you know. But somewhere in there,
I was getting to a point though where I was
gonna you know, there's a lot of humility in there.
I don't remember it, and I I apologize. I did
just get home and my brain might have just might
(44:22):
have just said, dude, fuck it, I'm done, you good, dumb,
it's time for the vow was silence.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
No, it's it's it's all good, John, And I would
be one of the things that you've said more than
once on this conversation is talking about humility, and to me,
that's also incredibly foundational thing for me to root myself
in every morning. So, right, I really appreciate you hearing that,
because I mean, right, I mean, if I got you know,
if I got nothing but gratitude humility to start my day,
(44:52):
then my day is going to go in a better
way than it is if I think I'm in control
of a bunch of shit that I have no control
for it at all, and and and mostly tached outcomes
of things I can't affect. And it's like, you know,
I can just do my part and do the next
right thing and just be a good person as much
as I can, and cool like that's that's what I'll
try to do today, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Right. And and then the other part of that though
then too is uh that I say a lot and
we can end on this is like, because there's a
lot of folks I guess this kind of goes with
the maybe taking yourself too seriously kind of thing too,
Like there's a lot of band people or stuff in there,
(45:29):
like and I've said this before because because people like
good friends of mine have brought up and they've said,
but but I am trying to make it, John, and
I go, but you've already made it. We've all made it.
Like this is success. It's all relative. But you play
(45:51):
music and do what we do and I get to
talk to you on a podcast and like, and you're interested,
and you know, I get to make records and travel around.
It doesn't matter what it's it's all the same, you know, right,
And in my opinion, right because you know, I'll just say, like, yeah,
there's just people out there just trying to make it
and they don't realize that that they made it.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
They already did and like and then you know, with.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
All this kind of class warship that's going on you
know now too, it reminds me of my favorite first joke.
And I'll leave you on this, right because this would
be great, and then I'm going to go for the
ballot silence. Okay, but my first favorite joke. I love
it so much he gives this. There's this writer and
(46:36):
he was He was a stand up comedian. His name
was Drake Sailor and he like wrote on a show
called news Radio. He wrote on that's probably one of
the most famous ones you may have heard of. He
worked with Norm McDonald a lot. He's that kind of
a dark, you know, comedian, and he had this joke
where he's like, so I go into this uh McDonald's
(47:03):
mc donald's restaurant and they had this, uh you know,
this like clear house in a box thing. It was like,
give money, give money to the Ronald McDonald's house, you know,
and I'm thinking, how big of a fucking house does
this clown me?
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Well, John, thank you so much for coming in and
taking some time to talk with me about Ghost Trilogy
and everything else. And now you're unavoidable vowve silence.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I'm just holding my breath right now. And the thing
is funny though, that needs to be mentioned that uh,
like I wanted to put out all that stuff together,
the Ghost Trilogy, like it's on my computer and it
was on my in my drive and that's how I
was able to descend it. But it's just song three,
(48:01):
four and five, you know, on right right? But because
I fucked up. You know, I like being accountable too.
I like to admit it when I fuck up. YEA,
love it, you know. But who who is the person
at the record label that's going to get mad at me?
It would be me because in the end it all
(48:23):
comes back to that. You know, I'm the only one
letting myself down and doesn't matter, does not matter? Okay
that was silence now.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Right on?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Well thanks again, John is awesome chat with you, and
I look forward to seeing you the next time you
roll through, either as buddies or you know, intil with
some other friends that I hopefully I can come see
you and have.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
A good time.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
So yeah, Bratt, stay in touch. I mean it.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I will do the same man, all right, thanks.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Tony, It's time for the B side break down, d Johnson.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
I'm gonna feeling just the funny thing, Glynn.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
This country's too too fell when waiting gender roles and
not feeding riches, all the power hungry cops that.
Speaker 5 (49:28):
Kill paus kissing up two people and put them out
on the steam poles, and what the fuck happened to
our safe It's just showing both with my head look
to do as that of Fras. Gotta found my head
a beef place and so.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm looking for a time.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, what's too many topics? I'm sad. Now I'll shine
through that ship and I'm hemming all the time again,
mister Tudor rod Men waiting.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
All the perfect yeh, all right, and that wraps up
another episode of the B Side Breakdown. I want to
thank John Snodgrass for a handful of reasons for coming
on to talk about the Ghost Trilogy from his Stoked
Ghost EP. I also want to thank him for just
generously putting together this jingle that you heard at the
beginning and the end of this episode that he did.
(50:15):
That's just awesome, man, Thank you so much for doing that.
In the background, you're listening to a song called perfect
Hit by the band Bandages. If you dig it, go
back and listen to the previous episode, because that's what
it was all about. Up next, I got a song
called Buffalo by a band called Nowhere Fast, and I'll
give you a taste of that at the end of
this episode. Please subscribe to this podcast wherever you get
your podcast. Can't thank you enough for your ongoing support
(50:38):
and you know, hey, stay safe out there and we'll
catch up in the next one.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Thanks Die from Rossity Feeds, Stay Bread Be Spill Feeds,
(51:15):
chalous Man's Fabu, the reaton.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Cool Cool.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
We don't need to see, we don't need to spake,
Pat
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