E37 - "While Dying" by Skjolden with Carl Skildum - B-Side Breakdown

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Free TROS B Side Breakdown.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. My name
is Brett Johnson and I am your host. This is
episode thirty seven of a podcast or I talk with
other artists, musicians and songwriters about a song they've written
that's meaningful to them that they could give me permission
to play the song and its entirety in this episode
for you. So then after you hear it, we can
chat about it and then you have some idea.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
What we're talking about. Today.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm going to be talking with Carl Skilden from the
band Shoulden about his song Wild Dying. Shulden is a
one man project that Carl's put together and it's fantastic
and I can't wait for you to hear it. So
let's get into it. Here is Wild Dying by Shulden.

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Speaker 2 (04:02):
All right, and that was Wild Dying by Shoulden. We're

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with Carl skilled him about the band and the record
and everything that he's got going on. So stay with
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in just a minute. All right, and we're back. Let's
bring in Carl to talk about the song while Dying
from his project Shoulden. Hey, Carl, thank you so much

(05:21):
for taking some time today to talk with me about
the song, the band and everything you're working on.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, thanks, Brett, glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Absolutely, man, it's been it's been a long time. I
mean I've known you for a long time and and
I've on the cursory followed a lot of the different
things that you've done artistically and musically creatively over the years.
And uh, and when this came across my my band
camp and I was like, oh man, I got to
get this. I mean, I immediately out the record.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I really dug it.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But also since we've just played kind of while dying
for everybody, and I know that's the one you wanted
to talk about, tell me about what is it about
that particular song that do you want to speak to?

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Well, it's that the concept of this song comes from
it's very present in the way I feel a lot
of the time day to day, and it's it's really
about for me, how do I want to spend my
time knowing that it's not infinite?

Speaker 5 (06:17):
You know, I'm as you know, I'm I.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
I've been around a little while, and I'm I've seen
recently some of some of my friends, I think some
of you know, some of your friends, and certainly people
that that we both know and respect and love in
in our our friendship circle and music scene that have
have passed away early, way too early, right, And so

(06:41):
I've I've been thinking about that a lot, so you know,
not to not to be too morbid I'm not. You know, fortunately,
I don't have anything that I'm I'm staring down anything
horrific in my own life, but I still I still
think about it in that, you know, how much time.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Do I really have left?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
And certainly with respect to playing this kind of music,
you know, it's very demanding physically to play this kind
of stuff, and I recognize that it's sort of a conundrum.
I feel like I've never been able to better express
myself as a guitarist, and you know, you know in

(07:24):
other ways too, you know, learning how to do vocals
and produce my own.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Music, and so that's exciting.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
But I also know that there's a there's a sort
of a time box around all of all of this,
and that at some point I'm going to slow down
and and have to switch gears. And so I feel
like what I'm trying to do right now, and the
reason I have four active bands is I'm trying to
I'm trying to do as much as as I can

(07:49):
while I can, while I can still perform at this
type of level.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
And I want to. I don't.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
I don't want to miss any time or miss any
opportunities to to uh kind of chase this muse that
I've really loved this kind of music since I was
a kid. So it's it's a thrill to be able
to have all these different, slightly different venues to to
uh to play this kind of music. And so going
back to the concept of this song, is I think

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that I I think about how I spend my week,
which is a pretty high stress, professional type of white
collar job, and it's it's been rewarding, but but it's
also really starting to to grind me down a little bit.
And and certainly I can see, you know, how this

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type of work can grind a lot of my peers
down as well, and so I just I just think it's,
you know, it's a to a certain extent, I'm struggling
with what what do I want my life to be?
You know, after thirty plus years in a in a
corporate life, and you know what, where where do I

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want to focus my time? And so that's that's been
at the front of my mind, and so this song,
I think is is me kind of wrestling with that
because you know, they're, like I said, there's there are
people who haven't had the luxury of being able to
have that that decision. I mean, it's been kind of
taken from them, right, you know, something something comes health

(09:29):
wise and and takes you, It takes your choice away.
So I think about that a lot, and so that
that's what sort of drove this, the concept of this,
and I think about how I don't want to have
that type of regret hanging over me. And so that's
where the type the title comes from is, these aren't

(09:51):
the things that I want to be thinking about when
my when my time comes.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
And I know this sounds so morbid, but but it's
really it's really meant to be I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
I mean it to be encouraging and in a way
that that I'm trying to center myself on what matters
and my friends and my family and my my wife
and my dog and the music and art that I
love and maybe not so much focused on chasing some
sort of perceived.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Corporate escalation. I don't know if that's the right word.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
But I'm so.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Intimately familiar with what you're talking about, and and I'm
just so grateful that you put it out there just
like you did. I don't feel like that's morbid at all.
I mean, really, I think that's inspiring. I think it's invigorating.
I think it's it's just it's perfectly stated at the

(10:50):
right time. I mean, for me in my life, on
my in my journey, I'm in a similar spot where
I mean, I'm actively at a at a precipice where
I'm about to say, you know, that corporate handcuffed job
that I got, I don't think that I can do
that anymore. And even the way you said the regret
part like that to me, like I don't want to

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be thinking about these things that I regret.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
While dying, I think is how you said that.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And for me, that's exactly the conversation I had with
a different musician friend of mine about a year ago.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
When I'm wrestling with the fact of what am I
doing with my what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I feel like I'm working to save money so I can,
as friend said, spend it all on hair healthcare when
I retire. It's like, wait a minute, is that and
I'm doing something I don't actually care about. There's something
wrong here. And for me, I've I've taken a massive
leap of faith into fear and jumping into that void

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of ensuring I don't have that regret because that was
the thing he asked me. He was like, so if
you don't do this, what are you going to regret
on your deathbed? And I was like, man, that was
exactly what I needed to hear, because for me, it
is that if I don't do it now, if not now,
when in And to me, that's right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
That's how. That's how what you just said hit me.
And to me that I think is beautiful, Like I
think that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
That that means a lot to hear, and I hope,
I hope that this resonates in some way. That's that
That's always been a goal of mine with the lyrics
I write, at least when it's from a personal perspective
and from from writing for Anti Verse. You know, that's
you know, all sci fi horror, and that's a that's
a different, you know, kind of fun to write for.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
But yeah, you know, this is you know, this is.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
The first solo project I've ever attempted. So I wanted
to speak about things that are real to me, and
and this is you know, I've been feeling this way
for a for a while, and for for a long
time I felt like my my curre was was a mission,

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and I was. I was pleased with it and it
and and to to a certain extent, I still feel
like that, but the pendulum has has swung away from
me feeling as if I'm making a difference and into
more of just how how can I withstand this for
a little bit longer? How can I how can I

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endure this? Because it's it's not that it's and and
I I always keep this in mind. It's not like
I'm I'm doing something that's physically punishing or uh sure,
you know, demeaning, and so I I want to I
want to make sure that I'm I'm I'm not trying
to create a sob story about how woe is me.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
But but there's there's so.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Much emotional labor and and you know, carrying carrying stress
and that that I do know that that takes a
toll on the body as well. So and I've I've
seen it for myself. I've had a couple of cases
where I've had health issues, physical health issues that stem

(14:13):
from uh from stress and it and it has been work.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Related in the time. So no, go ahead, Oh no,
I just I just think, you know.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
What, why do we do this to ourselves and what
are we chasing? And and I think about that for
from the perspective of this song is that, you know
what what really matters is it's not it's not chasing
after something material, it's it's it's it's who and what
we love that matters. And so that's that's how I'm

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trying to frame up how I think about my own
life right now and where I'm I'm pouring my energy
and and certainly that's that informed the.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Lyrics for this song.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, certainly, and and you know, just to kind of
echo some of that back to you right recently, I
suppose I don't know, several months ago, like this time
last year was probably a year ago when I had
my you know, last physical and not to go down
the medical trail, but it was one of those things
where I was my stress level from work was through

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the roof.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And all of a sudden, like.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
My blood pressure is just ridiculously high, and that's abnormal
for me. I run five days a week, I take
really good care of myself. It's like, why am I
having this kind of thing? And my doctor just straight
up said your day job will kill you. And I
was like, yeah, that's kind of well said because of
that stress and all that. But I hear you, I mean,
I really yeah, that all resonates with me in a

(15:45):
just a on a deeper level, and for me, I
was wondering the same kind of thing. I'm And also,
you know, to your point, I'm grateful to hear that
you've also you know, and there's parts of your your
journey through this that you have embraced and that you
feel good about, and that you you've liked what you've
pursued and what you've done in those parts of it.

(16:06):
And and but I certainly understand the point that you're
talking about now where you arrived so shifting gears, I mean,
focusing on I got so many questions.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
For you, man, Like I didn't know one that you
the depth of all of this that you can do.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So it's really fun to hear you say about you
know you're talking about and I forget the words you
just used and how you described it, but basically learning
how to do your own production, but then learning how
to you know, be more be your own vocalist and
and all of those kind of elements to it. What
and I just got to call this out really quick
on band camp. You have the greatest blurb A solitary

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folly by CS Composition Performance makes Mastering.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Compitied by Seas. Therefore all blame for this outrage. I'll
be eaved upon him. That is so awesome and I
love that.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
But tell me about your process in this like where
did where did this start? As a as one of
the four main projects that you're in. How long ago
did you start working on this record?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
I would say it was almost exactly a year ago today,
very close to that. I probably sat down and started
recording the first song. And it really started because I
had finished tracking for two other albums I'm working on
for for you know. One one's a new Anti Verse
record and one is a new Majesty's record, And in

(17:34):
this at this time last summer, i'd finished at least
so I thought I was done with everything, and that
the rest of the band members, all the people I
play with, are mostly out of out of state, so
we we have to be really planful about our events
that we know, projects that we work on, and when
we get together. And I had reached a point where

(17:57):
I was going to have nothing on my calendar for
at least six months while my other bandmates were out
on tour or playing regional gigs with other projects. I
mean everyone's in you know, two or three of course bands,
so right, and some you know, some of the guys
I play with are in touring bands where they know

(18:17):
they're on the road. So that that was the last
half of twenty twenty four. So I just felt like,
this is a good time for me to to write
some stuff. It it didn't make sense for me to
you know, stack up a bunch of new material against
my my long suffering friend Matt Kirkwald, who's in who's

(18:38):
in almost all the other bands except for this one.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
I didn't want to throw another another.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Album at him and say, hey, buy you know, stack
this up behind the other, you know, two records you've
you've also got to work on. So I just thought, well,
I'll just I'll just see what I can do for funsies, yes,
to write and record and and and actually take the
mix and master to the you know, to the best

(19:04):
outcome I could. So that was that was really the idea,
just you know, more about Okay, I'm gonna just do
this all at home with all the gear I have,
which isn't much. It's it's pretty pretty basic, but it's
enough to get.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
The work done.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
And and that was really it.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
It came together so quickly, all of all of it
was written and recorded in just a couple of months.
And and that was just sort of you know, every
day after work, I'd go in and chip away at it,
you know, a minute or so of the of the
record and you know, get it nice and and cleaned up,
and and then next day and that was that really

(19:40):
didn't take very long at all. That the most time
consuming was the figuring out some of the audio questions
that I had and and you know, a lot of
that was just YouTube university sure for sure. And then
just sitting on it for a little while and letting it,
letting it rest, taking some time oft and seeing what,

(20:01):
you know, if I still felt the same way about
it after after completing it. That I gave myself about
two months of just stepping away from it and then
coming back with fresh airs. So it was it was
the fastest thing that I've ever done.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
But that's that's inspiring to hear. And so with that
is it always.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do you always start with guitar or in this instrumentation,
are you are you programming drums? Are you playing drums?
Did you program tracks and then give it to a
drummer to say, hey, just play these drums, like exactly
how did you do the drums and all that.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah, so I'll usually.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Start with, uh, with it is programmed drums, so okay,
to be upfront on that. I know there's a lot
of people who have strong feelings on that. And and
what I do is it is it is session drummers
on E kit.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
So it's it.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
That's why it sounds like a human being playing it
because it was but it's not a it was not
an acoustic kit and it and it's mull the pull
session people, and I do edit it to to fit
what I'm doing, so it's not just them dropping dropping in.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Beats and and just going on it. So so that's
really how it starts, and but yeah, it's else.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
I just basically will start with guitar and that the
way I did this one was it is it's four
different rhythm guitar tracks at all times. So that was
that was fun, is to kind of figure out how
to how do I do and it's meant to be
impractical to play live.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
I don't I don't intend to play.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
This this music live, and it's but but but it
is this is there's four separate guitar tracks, and a
lot of times they're doing different things, and sometimes they'll
come together to do the same thing, but mostly it's
mostly it's different. And then I'll just go back and
track bass and and then vocals and and then the
mixed process. Is kind of how I approach it. It

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wasn't wasn't that much more complicated than that got it?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
So?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Is there are there keys in there too? Like I
thought I heard some sort of okay, and you're doing
that as well?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Is that is that you playing the keys?

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Are you an avid keyboard player? Or is it kind
of how did you? How did you? How do you
approach that?

Speaker 6 (22:09):
I'd say, I'm a I'm a lapsed keyboard player, and okay,
fair that was it was really the first instrument I played,
but even before guitar with piano, So I you know,
I have a I have a you know, an analog
keyboard that I busted out for a couple a couple
of things, and then I used to use some yeah,
I guess software instrument keyboards. But I played I played

(22:33):
all the stuff. So don't ask me how many times
I had to do it, but I did. I did
play it on my you know, the dust off, the
the the ivories, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, and that's my kind of story and journeys. While
I started on piano originally before I played anything else.
So I I like, how you put that elapsed, you know,
because yeah, that's exactly me too. I can still play
some of the stuff I used to play in fifth grade,
right and beyond that, it's like, well, yeah, I focused
on guitar or bass. Ye, No, that's that's cool, man,
I really like it. And so where I'm gonna I

(23:11):
don't want to take a step, but I probably have
a guess at the name in the background, But tell
me about it. So why Shoulden is that ancestral? Is
there is there a tie to that region specifically in Norway?
Or is that the proper spelling of your last name
in a different context or what is it?

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Yeah, that's so that's where my ancestor who came from
Norway was from was Shoulden. It's a a small town
on a you know, beautiful fjord, and that the name
means the shield and it's it's it's kind of funny
for me because my I grew up with a completely

(23:50):
different understanding of what my last name was. And I
think there was sort of a family tall tale about what,
you know. When I was a kid, I asked my parents,
what is my last name mean?

Speaker 5 (24:00):
And you know what skilled them?

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Because there there really aren't a lot of people with
that last name anywhere. There's you know, and everyone who's
got that in the the Twin Cities, Minnesota area.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
How they're all relatives at sure.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
So this guy came over from from Norway and in
immigration somehow the name shoulden well, I don't know if
it was too much for the the whoever did the paperwork,
but it got mistranslated as skilled them, and that became
this guy's American last name. So I think of it now,

(24:42):
is that's you know, my that that's really probably what
my real family last name would have been had that
mistranslation not happened.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
But but it it it did so, and I only
realized this, uh, you know a little bit later in life.
I go back to that question.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
I asked my parents, what is what a skilled don't mean?
And I was told something about all it means a
little house on the corner. Well, ye know that that
that's that was a mythology that was invented by my
own family who had a little house on the corner.
So it's just kind of made me think about, you know,
all these these stories we tell ourselves about who we

(25:21):
are and where we came from. And so I thought
it'd be fun to to use that name for this project.
And miraculously, I don't do not see that anyone has
ever used it before.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So oh that's great me, Yeah, right, lucky you. That's awesome.
And so where.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I've always been interested in all of your your bands
that I've been watching and following and on the cursory
hearing about in Ah. I think the last time I
saw you was actually when you were performing at seven
Street Entry, and I don't remember the name of the band,
but it was had to be a decade ago. But
the art work is always just amazing, and so I'm

(26:04):
interested in the visual art side of it. Do you
have a vision or a voice that you translate or
or share like from a conceptual perspective with the visual
artists that you get or is it hey listen to
the record and create something visually for me that you
think represents it or what's the process there?

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yeah, And in almost everything that I do, and i've
in the last decade plus, particularly in in heavy metal,
I think about one of the reasons that I like
to make records is to have the the the excuse
to hire an artist that I admire.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
To to design something cool.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
So I've I've kind of rattled through a bunch of
my favorite cover artists already, I've I've I've worked with
par Olofsson and Adam Burke for Anti Verse. Wilson did
two of the Inexorum covers, and I have a I'm

(27:06):
looking at another one that's on my wall for for
the next Anti Verse, and I can't announce it yet
because it's supposed to be a secret, but it's.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Just it's mind blowing. I can't.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
I can have to pinch myself every time I look
at it. So I feel like the artwork itself is
is such.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
A fun element to me of anything I do. Oh
and and Majesties one.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Juanyo castellano is Is has done the first one and
is working on the second one as well. So I
feel really lucky to have all these cool people that I've.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Worked with, so so this one was different.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I I.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Wasn't sure what the visuals were going to be until
after the record was done. And I just follow a
lot of I mean, I sort of stalk a lot
of artists on Instagram.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
It's it's it's a problem.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
But I found one of the one of the people
I follow, mark Erskine, had had posted the image that
became the cover of this and it was just you know, this, hey,
this is something I did. It's available and I saw
it and I and it immediately grabbed me. And you know,
I was struggling for a little while to figure out
what the visuals should look like and and it just

(28:19):
popped and I said, oh, I I'd like to license
this one.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
So that's that's how that worked.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
So it's the first time, really it's been I've ever
picked up some you know, pre made art for something.
But it was sure it hit the spot and I
couldn't be happier with with what we've got.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
No, that's great. And the logo design too, is just gorgeous.
Is that is that also just something that you someone
you love as an artist and hired them to do
it kind.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Of a thing. Ye?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Logos for me are are the same thing as to
me as as art that they're there, you know, visual
representation of the of the project. And I love having
the opportunity to to chase down a different logo artist,
which again I think, yeah, every logo artist I've worked
with has been a different person, so I'm kind of collecting.

(29:08):
And so this one is from from moon Root Moonroot Art,
I'm sure, and I i he he also does art work,
but in this case, I just did commission that the
logo from Moonroot, and and then the.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
License the cover image from mark Erskin.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, it's it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm glad that you however that all came together. It's
it's just it's all compelling. I love the sound of.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
It, I love the.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, the the track itself for me is I mean,
at first, of course, it's if you don't listen to
this style of metal, often it's like oh yeah, you know,
as soon as it starts, you're like, right, like this
is this is what we're in, and then it immediately
my ear kind of goes back to I don't know

(30:04):
how to explain that other than it's like I have
to kind of almost immediately retrain myself to what I'm
listening to a little bit. It's like, so I can
really hear it in where it's not affecting me in
a way where it becomes confusing casonically, I don't understand
what's going on. And sometimes that happens to me with
jazz and other very complex dense stuff where I'm like,

(30:25):
wait a minute, what am I actually listening to you
right now? And so it is, but this was great,
like it was immediate, like for me, it was just
like this immediate. I fell right into it and I
was like, and it took me on this awesome journey.
And your vocals are just brutal and awesome and it's yeah,
it's so much fun that you're making all of that.
When so on the vocal side, I know that you

(30:49):
were doing backups in anti verse, I think initially is
when I first kind of witnessed you doing this vocal
style live, and then as I think lineup change, you
kind of took more the front and center lead vocal
part in that.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Is that right? Okay?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Right?

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah, we.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yeah, I would just do a backup line here and
there for the first lineup iteration of anti verse, and
then we did have the lineup change and struggled with
who are we going to bring in? And I think
I think it was our drummer Mike, who just said,
why don't why don't you two guys being myself and

(31:29):
Matt Kirkwald, why don't you guys do it? And I
had to I had to really go in and learn
how to do it in a way that that wasn't
harmful to my Like, you know, I always grew up
doing like a like the sarge voice, which is, you know,
sort of the drill sergeant, you know, yelling kind of
and using my vocal chords in a way that was

(31:50):
just like loud speaking paint just yeah, And so I I,
you know, I did some jokey punk stuff where I
would do that vocal and you know, it sounds cool
listening back to it, but it's it just wasn't sustainable physically,
and you know that you get that whole coppery taste
in your throat where you know you're hurting yourself, and

(32:12):
it's just this is this is not gonna work. So
I had to I had to learn how to how
am I going to do this? And how am I
gonna sing sing this way? And play guitar. So it
was a it was a short learning curve, but I
really like it. You know, I I know how to
I know how to do it consistently. For this, I
tried it a little different than I, you know, with
with anexoram, which is where you know, I've I've done

(32:34):
the last several records of lead vocals, and I did
I did in a little bit a little bit quieter,
you know, with inexoram, I'm kind of going just uh,
you know, high volume and high intensity, and I wanted
this to be a little colder sounding. I you know,
I was trying to figure out how am I going

(32:55):
to make this different from an exoram, which is, you know,
probably the closest sibling project to this, and I so
I I did a lower volume version of that, and
that that really for me.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
It allows me to hear some of that artificial distortion
that that you can make with this type of voice.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
I liked.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
I liked hearing that a little bit up closer, and
by doing it at a lower volume that that allows
that kind of.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Rafts to come through. So hmm, that was you know,
it was it was a conscious.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
Decision to try to make the vocal a little bit different.
I'm not sure if it's that different, but I know
for me it was. I certainly took a different approach
to it.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, well, I have a kind of a tangential question
about that when it comes to performing.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
In general. When so as when I perform, I have
a problem.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Of getting kind of too emotionally involved with what I'm doing,
particularly if it's anything heavier or aggressive, and I somehow
my body just starts to tense up while I'm so
physically into this, and the same thing will happen to
me vocally, and next thing, you know, I mean, I'll

(34:13):
have problems where my hands are cramping because I can't
play anymore because I'm I've exhausted them physically basically by
doing this too intensely.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
And same thing with my voice. I'll just like end
up blowing out my voice. I'm like, wait.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
But then at the same time, when I try to
do this, well, no, it's always the concept that well,
play relaxed and try to do this in a relaxed way.
But I'm like, I don't know how to connect the
dots between feeling that intensity that happens but trying to
be relaxed with it. So I'm interested in how do
you did you have you experienced any of that, and

(34:47):
did you find a way to overcome it? Where Like,
if you're talking about for several records you do this,
and I'm imagining you're performing often with these bands, what's
your did you figure that out for yourself or did
you have any issue with that? Because some people just
don't have that problem at all, and I'm super jealous
that they don't.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
But I'm just wondering if you've come across.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
That I did in my early days.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
I mean my first the first bands I I the
first band I was in was like a punk hardcore band,
and I was just the vocalist. I didn't even play
guitar at first, and I had blow my voice out
every time because I was, you know, I just full throated,
you know, layns screaming with that that and that that
wasn't right, you know so, and I I realized how

(35:30):
that intensity was getting put into the wrong parts of
the body.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
That that if that makes sense, it does. So I
still think about that today.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
I you know, I I can I can see how
that happens, but I I think I've just trained it
out of myself to to keep the you know, to
keep a focus on you know, when I'm talking about
my guitar, playing my hands and being very mindful even
if I'm getting into it and feeling them of the song,

(36:01):
I'll let other parts of my body, like my back,
and you know, I that's where a lot of that
energy goes into. So you know, that's where the movement
I put into my you know, different parts of my
body that aren't necessarily the performing parts, and you know
that that's where the I let that movement kind of

(36:22):
compensate while I keep you know, keep the hands and
fingers limber, and you know, if I'm if I'm doing
vocals at the same time, you know, very very cognizant
now of not switching to that real tight layings driven
screaming and instead keeping that. You know, it's like you
if you watch YouTube videos about it, you'll see people

(36:45):
calling it fry screaming versus false chord screaming. And it
it for me that false chord screaming is how I
get my sound. And I can still push a lot
of volume in it, but it.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Just I just had to really rewire my brain to
do it that way. And now that I do it.
It's now it's just kind of natural.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Oh that's great, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Thanks for sharing all that, because I've always wondered how
people transition through that in different ways. For me, it's frankly,
I had to start playing almost like kind of different
music for a while to kind of relearn how to
do some of that where I'm singing correctly and I
can play this correctly but still be right, just kind
of like you were describing. But even still, whenever there's,

(37:29):
you know, a reunion show of an old band that
I'm in, it's funny because twenty six year old me
just shows up the way I did before. It doesn't
matter what I learned now, Like I just feel like
I end up kind of, you know, just going back
to what I used to do.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But it's still fun. No, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, And you've done some reunion shows where what does
that feel like to you?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Do?

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Do you feel like it's bringing you back to a
good place or a place where maybe it doesn't feel
as good?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
You know?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
That's I appreciate you asking that. For me, it's it
always feels good when well, okay, no, that's I can't
that's not exactly accurate.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
The music always feels good, Like when I get back
into the room with everybody and we're playing music and
we're revisiting these old songs and we put together a
set list that we all actually really want to play,
like regardless of what we think other people want to
hear or whatever, but we're just into it. That to
me is the greatest feeling in the world, because I

(38:36):
don't have a band like that anymore, and I don't
have friends like that anymore regularly that I go to
band practice with three nights a week, you know, and
so regrouping with those guys and doing that is great
because and also I think it helps because there was
never any drama or bad blood between any of us,
you know what I mean. It was just life happened,

(38:58):
so people had to do things differently, and then it
just things fell apart and it you know, things happen,
but it wasn't like anything bad or negative happened. However,
the scene stuff that I'm reminded of, that's the part
that feels like, Oh, I feel like I'm back in
high school a little bit, and I just want to
avoid that. Like that's the part I just leave in
the past. But the music for me just feels really good,

(39:22):
particularly some of the songs that I still really love
to listen to. Like I'll just flow through some of
those old tracks and go wow, man, Like.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I loved this record. I loved making this record.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's really fun to sing along with this again and
getting in the rooms and playing with those guys and
even performing it live.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Is has just been a blast when I've been able
to do it.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, I've been the only you know, reunion thing that
I've I've done is is Threadbare, and it was I'm
glad I did it, and I still love all those
guys there. You know, we still have an.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Ongoing band Chet even cool. We don't have anything.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
I don't think there's likely to be any future activity,
but you know, we're you know, we're we've gotten over
any any challenges we may have had in the ancient past.
But sure, but I I found you know, when I
was in that band, my I was in such a
bad headspace that playing some of those songs kind of
unearthed some feelings.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
That I wasn't really wanting to revisit.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Just you know, a lot a lot of those you know,
a lot of that was written when you know, I
was just you know, all of us were just early twenties,
you know, even you know, just getting out of our
the teen angst era and not really even out of
that and feeling, you know, unsure about our future and
what we you know, who we were supposed to be

(40:45):
as people.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
And that was not a that was not a healthy
brain time for me.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
So I felt like when I revisited some of that old,
old material, it it made me feel like I was
that same kid in cure and so didn't I didn't
feel great. Even though I loved doing that and seeing
you know, people reconnect with that music again, I walked
away from it feeling like, oh man, that that unearthed

(41:14):
some feelings I thought I had buried.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Got it, you know I And now that you mentioned that,
I mean right, I think that also goes back for
me to the selection specifically of the.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Songs we want to play.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, because as the singer and lyricist and where
I was at when I was twenty five, twenty six
years old, and what I was writing about then, and
there's things that I'm like, can I just change the
lyrics to all this? Like some of it to me,
it's like I don't want to sing about this, you know,
and those and even though the music I love in
some of these songs, I'm like, ah, man, I really

(41:49):
want to redo this, like in some different way and
just kind of borrow from my own back catalog to
kind of reinvent something else out of it for the
fun of it, right, just because but it's and maybe
you know, dust it off with different lyrics or something.
I don't know, but I went into some of that too,
and I think that also just kind of drove it

(42:11):
reminded me of, oh, man, I was really passionate about this, this,
this and this and this, and now I kind of
don't care at all. Like there's some of that or
some of the things that I think I was doing
was you know, calling people out or holding people accountable
for things that weren't theirs at all. And and for me,
that's it's almost it's almost embarrassing, like I kind of

(42:31):
but not really, because it's just where I was in life,
you know, And and I do the best with what
I got at the time I got, regardless of if
I have any tools in any kind of a toolbox
at all.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It's like I just did the best I could with what.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I had, and that's where it was. It doesn't excuse it,
It doesn't make anything right if I harmed anyone along
the way. And I certainly want to go back and
clean those things up and make amends where I have to.
But at the same time, yeah, I don't want to
necessarily sing those songs either, you know.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird to go back and revisit
those young versions of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I for sure, I think, yep, no, I hear that.
That was fun. Thanks for Thanks for going down that
road with me for a minute. That was cool.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Is there anything else specifically about While Dying or the
record in Sussient Metaphysical Grandeur, because I really like to
say it that you want to talk about.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Well, it's just it's, uh, it's been surprising. I thought,
you know, I didn't expect it to completely disappear, but
I I didn't expect the level of press interest that
there was. And you know, I appreciate every time someone
does take a few minutes, because I know it's it's

(43:42):
work to cover a record or to you know, to
promote something. I mean, nobody's getting paid out out of
this type of extreme metal. So it's you know, it's
a labor of love for just about everyone involved, and
that includes the journalists.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Who cover this stuff.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
Sure, and so h I I've just been really surprised,
and you know, it melts my heart a little bit
to hear people you know who've enjoyed this, which really,
you know, I had a little bit of anxiety about
putting it out. I was confident, but I you know,

(44:19):
I also know that you I've never really mixed and
mastered a record before, and you know, I know how
to do a few things. I know how to how
to you know, talk to the folks that I've worked
with before and press and you know, how to be
respectful and appreciative of time and all that sort of
normal human stuff. But I wasn't you know, this is

(44:41):
still a first first run at doing something without you know,
somebody to hould my hand through it. So I had
a little bit of anxiety around it, but I like
it's It's been a fun, fun experience, and I'm glad
I did it, and I'm I'm sure I'll do more
under this name because it's it's it's easy and kind

(45:01):
of nice to not have to do it in terms
of a you know, specific release schedule. If I if
I get an idea that I want to put out
as a single, I'll just do it. So it's yeah,
it's kind of nice in it, and it's a it's
a little bit of a different different venue than you know,
some of the formalized structure around the bands that I'm in.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sure, No, that's that makes a lot of sense, and
that sounds really freeing and liberating, and just like you said,
it's like, well, well, hey, I got.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
This winter of a time, I can put out a
single if I want to.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, Like, that's it's great that and that you've shown
yourself in the world that you know how to do
that and know how to do it really really well.
Like I think that is all of that is awesome,
and I hear the anxiety part of that. I didn't
quite do what you've done here at all, and I'm not.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Comparing it to that.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
But I put out an EP whereas mostly songs that
I wrote and kind of worked on it with a
particular guitar player was recording it. But it was really
kind of of me driving it and I just felt
super like, uhbly, you know, as I'm putting it out there.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
There was some anxiety around that for me.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
So, I mean, I think I I that resonates with
me a bit, but I was wondering, did you I
had the benefit of.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
A couple of people's.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Ears that I trusted that I would share it with beforehand,
like this is what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
What do you what do you hear? You know?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
And and not that I'm trying to change it based
on their feedback, But I also I know I have
an intent of what I think that I'm trying to
communicate here, and does that come across you know?

Speaker 6 (46:35):
Does it not?

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Did you do any of that with this?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Or do you?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Did you just you know, you just put out these
seven tracks? Do you assembled it, you sequenced it, you
mastered it, and you put it out?

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I did.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
I did in lest a very small group of friends,
many of many are in fact, all of them are musicians.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
I've either worked with or know pretty well.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
So but I was a small circle that heard it
before it came out, and there might have been one
or two tweaks based on feedback, but there really wasn't much.
I wasn't asking hey, hey, listen to this and tell
me what I'm doing wrong. I you know, I went
in with it just more of an approach of, hey,
this is what I'm doing, this is how it's gonna sound,

(47:19):
and I I, you know, I hope you like it.
And I think that that that was what gave me
the the feeling that, okay, it's it's good enough because
these are people that I trust, and if there would
have been a massive problem, I would have you know,
I don't think anyone would have held back, but sure

(47:39):
so it that that gave me the confidence that, ye, this,
this is, this is ready to go. And that's the
thing with you know, doing your own music that I
wasn't anticipating, is you can you could go it forever,
tweaking and agonizing about it and to get it to
some sort of state of unreachable perfection.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
And I know I've I've got friends friends who've done that.
I've done.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
I've done you know a handful of session recordings over
the last few years. And I love doing that because,
you know, then I just take direction and you.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Know, what what am I supposed to do here?

Speaker 6 (48:15):
You know, do whatever you like, or do this particular
type of you know, guitar solo or that and some
of it comes out very cool. Some of it has
been really challenging, but most of it is still on
a hard drive somewhere unreleased, because I think that's and
and I think what happens in a lot of cases

(48:36):
is that it is just so intimidating to put yourself
out there and to to just say, hey, I'm done,
this is done, and it's it's going to go.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Out in this format.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
And even though I you know, it's not exactly what
I hear in my head, it's it's it's a piece
of music that should go out into the world. And
I think, I know that's hard for for a lot
of people. So it's kind of a miracle that anything
exists at all in art. But I guess we just
get over over that fear and just kind of jump.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
But yeah, it more than anything else that I've ever done,
I had. I had a little bit of that pit
in my stomach before doing this one.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Sure, no, And I commend you for your courage and
following through with it, because it's again, I love it
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Grateful that you put it out there. So let's do this.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
We're gonna take a quick break and we're going to
come back and talk to Carl about what he's working
on next with maybe any of his other projects or
whatever he's got going on. So Hank tight, stay with
us when well, be right back in just a second.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
All right, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
With Carl from Shoulden and Carl, thank you so much
for again for just having this chat with me and
going deep into your record and your process and everything
that you're doing. Man, it's super fun to hear all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I so I know that you got you said
that you're in you have four active bands right now,
and I wondering tell me about what's going on with Majesties.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Now.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Majesties is is kind of gearing up, getting into high
gear right now. So we've been rehearsing. In fact, this
last weekend everyone was in town in Minneapolis for rehearsals.
We're going to be playing at Fire in the Mountains
festival two weekends from now, so well basically now it's
I think ten days maybe less, so we are going

(50:40):
out to and Fire the Mountains is a festival that's
that's existed for I think since you know the middle
of well, I guess what the last decade. Was it's
not the odds the teams, sure, but they've they've been
around for a while, and they were operating out of
in near Jackson, Wyoming, and that that location was no

(51:05):
longer available to them, so they needed to find a
new location. But I a couple of years ago I
played I played the last edition of that fest with
I'm a I'm a live member of Obsequii, and we
played that that last version near Jackson Hole and it
was really probably the most incredible live experience I've ever had.

(51:29):
It just felt magical. I mean, the first of all,
the scenery is beyond compare right, and but the event
is so cool and well organized, and it's just you know,
people think of heavy metal and maybe you have an
opinion about the types of people who are drawn to it,
and and from what I experience at all these festivals

(51:50):
is it is just the coolest, most friendly people you
can you can hope to meet, and it just was
really it was just a really special time. I'm and
really really grateful that I got to do that. So
when the opportunity came to have Majesties play, we were
very excited about that. And it is going to be

(52:13):
the first performance, first live public performance for for Majesties,
which really started as a as a studio project and
the whole first record was done just with you know,
three people who had worked on the music you know,
in home studios and and brought it to life. But
we we now have a a full band that can
can play play out. It's it's not easy because everyone's

(52:36):
geographically spread out. The band is on the East Coast
except for for Matt and I here in the Twin Cities.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Got it.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
There's some logistical issues.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
But.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
You know, everyone, like I said earlier, everyone's in other
bands and and has has done this at a level
where we know how to rehearse tow stem tracks and
and you know, get our get ourselves sharp at home
and then so when we it together, it's it's productive
and I don't know, we're able to really get things
into Uh. You know, what we hope is is that

(53:08):
that sort of tour tour type approach to how it
things sound. And I feel like at least after this
weekend pretty good. Hopefully I feel the same way after
that first show. But but yeah, we're really excited about
it because they've they've relocated. This will be the first
time that they've been in Montana near Glacier National Park,

(53:30):
and it's it's gonna be at read Red Eagle Campground
on the Blackfeet Nation. So and and that's that's gonna
be interesting too, because you know, the the the one
of the sponsors and and guiding principles of of the
festivals is UH suicide prevention and that which which is

(53:55):
a real real challenging issue in you know, in many
Native American communities, but you know, particularly you know, just
wanting to make sure that you know, as a as
an event organization, that that that's a front and center topic,
is that we want to be able to show that
there's another way and and you know, maybe more than

(54:18):
the sense of despair and dead end that you know
sometimes can be a problem in areas where there's a
you know, distress and economic challenge. And so we're we're
we're excited about We're excited about that and very great
grateful to be welcomed to to to there, to the

(54:41):
home of the Blackfeet Nation. So yeah, it's gonna be
it's gonna be a fun experience. I can't wait. Yeah,
And it just feels like it's we've been thinking about
it so long and now to be so close.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah, it's it's really getting real. So very excited about it.
And a lot of my favorite bands are playing. I'm
really excited to see you.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Know, just about every every performance is going to be spectacular,
I'm sure. So it's just going to be really really special. Again,
so very very much looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
That's awesome and so and this is the band's first
live performance.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Yeah, yeah, we we wanted it to be something special
and Fire in the Mountain certainly is that.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
We we wanted to, I think, have a have something
that's memorable and feels like it's you know, it's worth
because we everyone has to fly in and it's it's
a lot we you know, we we we put a
lot into making it work as a live band.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
It's not it's not easy.

Speaker 6 (55:43):
And this is this is more demanding than really about
anything else that I've I've played in any of the
other bands, and they're they're all demanding. So for this
one to be more demanding, it's it's kind of ridiculous,
but it's very satisfying, you know. It's it's at the
point now where it's we're over there. We're well over
the learning stage and into the well this this, this

(56:06):
actually feels really great.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
So no, that's great, and so is that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I mean, I get that it's the first show, and
I mean just to play that festival sounds amazing and
a reason enough to do it.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
But is there is there anything else kind of happening
in that space?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Like I do you?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Is there an event in terms of like to mean
you get another record coming out or something happening there?

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Yeah, we we are close to wrapping up the second
second album. We you know, drums were tracked last December,
so those you know, that's that's been done for a while.
You know, we we spent the spring uh touching up
all the guitars and you know, just really uh wrapping

(56:50):
everything up probably and then you know, once we get
done with this show will be where everything gets buttoned
up and mixed. And you know, we're not doing that ourselves.
We've we've got our we've got our person lined up
to take us over the finish line. But artwork is done.
It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
You know.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
Again, I'm so grateful to get the chance to work
with all these cool artists. And again that's that's one Castellano,
so that that is he outdid himself.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Again on this one.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
So I'm very very pleased with with how it's it's
going to come together. But I would imagine that just
you know, given the timing of where we are in
the year and how busy everybody is, it probably I'm
sure it'll be at this point a twenty twenty six release.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Okay, got it, got it? No, I'll look forward to
that then, So more music to come. So what is
the what's the best way then? For anyone who's listening
that's never heard of Shoulden before? How how should they
find you? What's the best way to stay in.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Touch with you?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
And majesties and and extorm and anti verse I always
want to say, anti verse, anti verse?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
And where how should people keep in touch with you?
What's the best way to find you?

Speaker 6 (58:02):
Yeah, I mean I most of those, most of the
other bands except for Shoulden have their own social media
profiles and so they can be found, you know, on
the all the usual suspects.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
I'm not too active on on.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
X anymore formerly Twitter for for all of the reasons
why most people are over that platform, but I dip
in there every once in a while if I have to.
But as far as shoulden, I didn't create any any
special social media for it. You know, people can find
me see skilled them, and that's where.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
I you know, post stuff about it.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
It's I don't spend a lot of time posting on
social media other than if if someone follows me on Instagram,
they're going to see a lot of pictures of my
dog and that's about it. So awesome, you know, it's
but but they're all on all the streaming services and
band Campus has been very very good to me in

(59:00):
terms of being you know, a booster. I mean, they
somehow managed to get onto the front page of band
camp for this release, which was mind blowing and truly,
you know, a really really.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Great honor.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
So it's been it's been pretty fun to see how
that platform has enabled small artists like like myself to
reach a larger platform.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
So absolutely no, I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
And for all your listeners that aren't aware of it,
there's usually band camp Fridays where if you they announce
someone they have them but if you buy artist music
on that Friday, all the basically all the money goes
to the artist, So keep that in mind. When you're
when band Camp Friday comes around, and then go by
you know, the Shoulder record and every other record that

(59:53):
Carl has put out, because it's all amazing work.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
No, that's great, Carl.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I'm gonna I'll I'll post up links to your band
camp for Shoulden and and like your social and some
other things in the post so people know where to
find you. But you know, it's it's just been so
wonderful chatting with you about this and I'm so grateful
that you wanted to come on to talk about while
Dying and it's such a great song on a great record,

(01:00:20):
and I look forward to to to seeing how how
the Medicine's record comes out when twenty twenty six, and
if you ever want to come back and talk about
any other project you're working on, man, I'd love to
have you back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
So it's it's just been great catching up with you again.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
Awesome. Thanks so much, Brett.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
This has been a real treat and it's been awesome
to catch up with you again too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Thank you, of course, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Dream Trows.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Breakdown is a call action, all right, And that wraps

(01:01:08):
up another episode of the B Side Breakdown. I want
to thank Carl Skildom for coming along to talk about
Shoulden's track Wild Dying and the background you're hearing a
song called Call to Action by the band five oh
four Plan. If you dig what you're hearing, please go
back and listen to the previous episode because that's what
it was all about. Up next, I got a song
called FTW by the band Audio Spatso, and I'll give
you a taste of that at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
People will say, is these book on they never walk
the walk?

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
What the fuck spending where stas cos you go? Stupid
gibbing off the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
What the fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Saying much doing not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
It's a way

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