October 15, 2025 • 40 mins
Finally got a chance to talk with ExactlyNo, one of my favorite bands from Minneapolis, MN about their single, “All I Need”.
Known for their big, dynamic sound—explosive drums, guitars that double as riffs and atmosphere, and vocals that carry both raw edge and melodic intention—ExactlyNo push their sonic boundaries on this track.
“All I Need” was produced by Jeremy Tappero and mastered by Bruce Templeton at MicroPhonic Mastering.
In our conversation, we’ll explore how the song came together—from writing and arrangement choices to emotional themes. What drove the lyrics? How did the production serve the message? And where does “All I Need” sit in ExactlyNo’s evolving identity, especially as they edge toward their next full-length? Whether you’re into songwriting craft, rock production choices, or the stories behind new independent records, this one’s for you.
Be sure to show your support on Bancamp Friday and connect with them on IG to stay connected.
Keep up with ExactlyNo at:
https://exactlyno.bandcamp.com/
https://exactlyno.com/
https://www.instagram.com/exactlynoband
Thank you for your continued support!
Brett Johnson
Host of B-Side Breakdown
https://www.patreon.com/c/bsidebreakdown
https://www.instagram.com/bsidebreakdown
https://linktr.ee/bsidebreakdown
#AllINeed #ExactlyNo #NickLarsen #TedAnderson #CardinalSunRecords #bsidebreakdown #threecrowsclub #brettjamesjohnson #musicpodcast
Known for their big, dynamic sound—explosive drums, guitars that double as riffs and atmosphere, and vocals that carry both raw edge and melodic intention—ExactlyNo push their sonic boundaries on this track.
“All I Need” was produced by Jeremy Tappero and mastered by Bruce Templeton at MicroPhonic Mastering.
In our conversation, we’ll explore how the song came together—from writing and arrangement choices to emotional themes. What drove the lyrics? How did the production serve the message? And where does “All I Need” sit in ExactlyNo’s evolving identity, especially as they edge toward their next full-length? Whether you’re into songwriting craft, rock production choices, or the stories behind new independent records, this one’s for you.
Be sure to show your support on Bancamp Friday and connect with them on IG to stay connected.
Keep up with ExactlyNo at:
https://exactlyno.bandcamp.com/
https://exactlyno.com/
https://www.instagram.com/exactlynoband
Thank you for your continued support!
Brett Johnson
Host of B-Side Breakdown
https://www.patreon.com/c/bsidebreakdown
https://www.instagram.com/bsidebreakdown
https://linktr.ee/bsidebreakdown
#AllINeed #ExactlyNo #NickLarsen #TedAnderson #CardinalSunRecords #bsidebreakdown #threecrowsclub #brettjamesjohnson #musicpodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Three tros B Side Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, hello, everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. This
is episode forty one of a podcast where I talk
with other artists, musicians and songwriters about a song they've
written that's meaningful to them that they want to talk about.
Before we get into the conversation, though, they need to
give me permission to play the song in its entirety
on this episode, which they have and so then you
get to listen to it before we get into our chat. Today,
(00:29):
I'm gonna be talking with the band Exactly Know that
hails from Minnesota, Minneapolish area. I would gather and we're
gonna be talking with Nick and Ted about their song
All I Need. So there's a new single that came
out on July eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Check it out. It's called All I Need by Exactly No.
I don't know what you.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just know, I sar.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I'll be kids.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Your best story is a plot hoorn. Can you just
slip right in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
When you carry this weakness feeling the sofree.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Go to a big mess your hands?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, cry.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Is not.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Miss outside of your mind. I don't know what you know?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Why it'sycopreend new skills.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
She reads a goose kind guy, have an existing see
you in somethings plays, tell you take it on your cat.
If you mother has what you find my nieces his
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mom say this episode of.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So what's your get from.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Sad Joe its trun get whatever said stop stop.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Name just one.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Thing, all right, and that was all I Need by exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come
back and talk with Nick and Ted about the song,
the band and everything they're working on. So stay with us.
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we'll be back in just a minute. All right, and
we're back. Let's bring in Nick and Ted and talk
about the song All I Need from the band exactly No,
Nick and Ted, thank you so much for coming on
the show. Finally and talking with me about this song
and your band and everything else.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's awesome. Exactly no.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Thanks for having us man, Yeah, thank you, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Nick has been on the show before talking about something different,
and so now we get Nick and Ted with exactly no.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I'm super stoked to have you guys here.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I've known you guys obviously for a while, and I've
known of your band for a while, and I love
this new song and I can't wait to hear all
about it. Why did you want to talk about All
I Need today?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, I mean it's it's kind of bizarre because we
wrote this song. I mean, it's got to be pushing
three years ago now, Yeah, and you know, it started
at a time when we weren't really sure what we
wanted to do next, so we thought like, let's make
a single, and then that turned into let's make an EP,
and then that turned into let's record a whole record.
So it was kind of the natural choice for a
(06:09):
single because it's the one that we've been kind of
dwelling in the longest. But it's it's you know, three
years ago we wrote it. The subject matter was you know,
kind of personal and maybe kind of relevant in the world,
and now I feel like it's just more relevant than
it ever has been. So it's I don't know, it's
kind of the strange path to get there, but it
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feels it feels like the right time for it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Got it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I and I it sounds amazing. It's the song
is super cool. I love the riffs, I love the drums,
all of the vocals. I love every aspect of it.
And I haven't dug into it deep enough to digest
the entire lyrics completely because I'm sort of a cheat
and normally rely a little bit on artists with band
(06:56):
camp that will say, oh, by the way, here are
the lyrics, so I can.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Help kind of get it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But tell me about the themes that you were talking about,
ed that are are important to you in this lyrically.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Sure, I mean, in short, if I had to do
it in one sentence, I would say, this song is
a big kind of call out to just the hypocrisy
of people who want to live in their own alternate
reality these days, and in very specific uh, you know,
I'm sort of calling out the hypocritical American Christians and
(07:27):
the behavior that doesn't match the you know what they
what they espouse.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Uh, And that's definitely way longer than one sentence.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Yeah, there's a lot of commas and punctuation a sentence.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
But yeah, I'm just just pointing out the state and
the fact.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, but obviously, like if you look around at what's
happening now, there's a lot of people who would call
themselves you know, quote unquote Christians and a lot of
really fucking terrible, un christian like behavior. Sure, you know,
And that's that's always rubbed me the wrong way, is
you're going to say you're gonna you're gonna say you're
something and then not behave like that. But I feel
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like that is just it is the mount rushmore of
bullshit right now, and which is why I say it's
it's kind of seems more appropriate now than it ever has.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
No, And I totally appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And and thanks for calling that out because anyone else
that had just listened to the song for the first time,
go back and listen to it again with that additional
scope from Ted and see if you where you connect
with that, because.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
For me, yeah, that whole you know, I I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Walk what I talk is one of my biggest you
know is one of the things that I strive to
never do, Like I always want to make sure that
whatever I'm saying and doing that are in line with
my actions and the way that I carry myself in
the world. And yeah, it's super fucking piss off when
I see people not doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
So right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, so where and so you're saying this is the
oldest one of the new batch, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
We tracked this. We actually recorded this, like started the
process three years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh, tracking three years ago.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, So it wasn't even that it started being written.
It was probably done almost three years ago. And when
we recorded it, we were like, we finished it, uh,
and we were like, this is different than everything else.
This feels like where we're at now and where we're
heading from this. It was like a fork in the
road just naturally occurred that when we we wrote it
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and recorded it, it was like, huh, this again, this
is different. This feels like the organic next path to
go and life happens and things come up and whatever.
So we kind of drug our heels on it a
little bit and it just got a'll say, pushed to
the side. And actually we had mixed it and everything
and when we started tracking for the new full length
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that we're working on right now, this came back up
and we were like, we should release this as a single,
maybe we'll do a video for it. So we did
a video for it, which ended up being a very
comprehensive process. It wasn't just you know, a bunch of
clip art collage kind of thing that took a couple hours.
It was multiple settings, multiple days, multiple people. It's probably
(10:17):
got seven hundred and forty nine hours into editing the
whole thing, wow or something like that. Maybe not quite
that much. I'm off by a couple hours probably, but regardless,
it started coming out so well and it kind of
got this momentum behind it. We actually went and remixed
it just because two plus years had gone by and
(10:38):
we're like, I think there's some more juice in this,
and we got it out of it. So it really
just correlated well with the release. And then we were
playing our first show in quite some time, so we're like, well,
let's just release a single, release a video, play a
show all in forty eight hours, and like remind everybody
that hey, we're still here. We've been doing a lot
of stuff and it's a good teaser for the full
(10:59):
length that is going to be on its way.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, that's great, thank you for all of that background,
because I was wondering if, right given the well, I
was wondering if you were gonna if you ultimately did
retrack it, which sounds like you didn't. You just remixed
or remastered it. So did you record it originally in
the same spot you recorded the rest of the songs.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
No, we did the whole thing at Jeremy Tapio's mixing room,
where he doesn't really do tracking there because it's literally
a room that's acoustically perfect for miss mixing. Okay, we've
done a couple of things there because as the two
of us, I can squeeze in there and get some
cool drum tones for the full length that is yet
(11:40):
to come. That was all done at the Terrarium. So
we went big and went in the big room and
actually set up two kits, two sets of mics, and
picked a kit per song of what felt right that
day in that moment, and just kind of gave ourselves
the ability to do anything and everything we needed to
with it. So within that the recording approached. This was different,
(12:04):
but it fits the song perfectly got it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So for the musically and instrumentally curious folks like myself
out there, when we see or hear about two piece
bands and there's multiple instruments going on at once, kind
of want to understand a little bit, one ted, how
are you how are you effectively doing that? Are you
(12:30):
running one instrument into sort of an ab switch into
two different amps, or how are you approaching that?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
From the various tones you get sure?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Uh so, I let me let me back up and
give you some of the background for this. I started
jamming with a friend I don't know fifteen sixteen years
ago and trying to just like fill out the sound
with the two of us and which ultimately became a
cover band that we played in for a while. But
in the process of trying to make that sound a
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little bit more full with just the two two of us,
I started with trying different pedals and then I started
trying like different pickups and stuff, and kind of what
I landed on was for the for the gear geeks
out there, a Duncan Little fifty nine, which is a
humbucker that is in the space of a single coil
pickup like in a strat or something turned sideways so
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that it's picking up the E and the A.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
String, which are the low two strings for the non
guitar players out there.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
And then sending that out separately as its own signal.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And then from there I went.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Through dozens of different iterations of pedals and pre amps
and you know, octave generators and bass amps and everything
to get that low end to sound right. And the
guitar side is easy, like you know, you just play
what you play and it you know, affected how you
want to affect it. But the bass part, it took
a lot of figuring out. And I would say when
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we started this band in twenty sixteen, the guitar part
was absolutely nailed down. The effects heart was still kind
of developing, but I think I really had that figured
out probably around the time we recorded our first record.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
So, and at that point you were using two four
to ten Fender.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Yeah, Fender Basement from seventy eight and seventy nine, big
big two vamps, which was super fun, but that it's
a beast.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You don't want to carry those around, and then two
of them, yeah, and then.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
After you know, after so we recorded Redline City, which
was our last full length, and that was released April
something twenty twenty, which was like a couple of days
before everything shut down. So that record just kind of
just slipped into the crack and got lost, and it's
it was really.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Disheartening because we were really proud of it at the time.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I mean, I'm still proud of it, but like to
have all that steam just sort of sucked away and
get nothing out of it.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And I think both in terms of what.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
That did to our morale and the space and time
that it gave us to.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Experiment with stuff influence where we are now.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
And part of that was during that whole that whole
COVID shutdown, I really started experimenting with modelers and kind
of the digital side of things, and I landed on
the line six helix, okay, And so what that did
for me was it it took something that I was
using four or five pedals for and like just put
it all in a digital board at my at my
(15:22):
fingertips and then I, you know, could could do my
guitar and basside through that all in one. And so
that was that was really kind of like a revolutionary
process in terms of how I thought about making the
two piece sound big and you know, even songwriting because
some of the different things that I could do now
with the digital effects that were just I didn't I
(15:43):
didn't have three hundred dollars to go spend on this
extra pedal or this other thing just to try it.
Now I could just try basically everything. So some of
that seeped its way into the writing process, and I
think good gear does help drive the writing process. So anyway,
in a roundabout way, that sort of answers your question
about like how how I make the guitar sound like
more than just a guitar.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But I would.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Say the meat of it is taking the guitar signal
and splitting it left and right with two different kind
of sounds, and then that bass sound to kind of
lay underneath everything.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And then obviously Nick is a is a bombastic.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Like yeah, he's not.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
I mean, you're a loud drummer. But like, I don't know,
how would you describe your style?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That's the worst question. How would you describe yourself? I don't. Yeah,
so it makes play drums like me, man, Yeah so
I know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Well, and that's but that's the beauty of it is
it is kind of undefinable. But Nick is Anybody who
knows Nick knows that he's a beast on the drums,
and there's nothing he can't do. So it makes my
job really easy because I'm like, hey, I wrote the song,
and not only is Nick a great drummer, but a
great musician musician, so he really understands, you know, oh, here,
here's how we can improve this, or here's how we
can change that, or like here's if you've shifted into
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this key, then you can do this with it. So
there's a lot of that back and forth. And now
I feel like what we're writing and everything from both
the music side and the kind of the lyrics and
melody side, like Nick and I are, we're partners in
this more than we ever have been. It used to
be like, oh, I'll bring a song and like, okay,
Nicole come up with drum parts, and or Nick could
(17:13):
bring a song, we like, okay, I'll learn how to
play what you what you had or whatever. And it's
been more we've been. I think it's been more complimentary
and more of a you know, kind of a partnership
now than it ever has been.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's awesome, That's yeah, No, that's great to hear and
I guess I want to circle back on one last
nerd part about your setup that I didn't quite catch sure,
which was the pickup that you have changed the position
so it's a single CHOI pickup in that it's picking
up the.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Low e and the A string. Again, for the non
guitar players out there, the.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Uh so do you have two are you running two
quarterns cables into your guitar? One goes those that low
e and A and the others everything else.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yes, And for for ten or twelve years that's how
it was, And then recently I went to my luthier
and I had him combine them into a stereo jack
so that I could use just a stereo cable instead cool,
which which does two things. One, it kind of cleans
up the face of the guitar so there aren't two
input jacks. But it also means that it's a little
(18:16):
bit more deception. And I like seeing kind of that
that crooked look from guitar players trying to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Figure out what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And so then the low end it sounds like you're
running into the line six helix and the rest is
running through your guitar amp.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Is that right? Or am I flipping that around?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's everything's through the helix, both my guitar effects and
my bass effects. But instead of instead of trying to
route you know, five different things, you know, to different
amps and stuff, it's just all housed in the in
the helix.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, got it?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, awesome, Thanks for thanks for clarifying all that, because that,
to me has been a mystery and I was excited
to learn it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So that is that is awesome. So okay.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So then this particular song, though, I get that you're
saying you're a songwriting, your songwriting as a you know,
a duo has evolved, and it used to be, hey,
I bring in something, you bring in something, We learn
each other's parts and then their songs.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But now in the more collaborative side.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Did this song start out on that kind of newer
collaborative path or what was the genesis of this song specifically?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I think this was. I mean, again, we're going back
three years and I kind of remember what I did
for lunch today. Maybe maybe not, but I think it
was like one of those where it came in and
it all just like immediately happened and Ted's like here verse, chorus,
here's some ideas, and the arrangement like kind of came together.
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The bridge in this song, there's almost like two bridges
came together. There's for for me and my part, there's
a very i'll say complex, like drum bridge breakdown thing,
and that just like happened as we were going through it,
and historically speaking for us, anytime those things are happening
when we're doing them, we know we got something. You
(20:02):
don't even have to work at it. It just like
kind of organically comes to you. And this was one
of those, like I think we played it and had
it nailed down the first day, probably practiced it a
couple more times, and that's why we actually went into
the studio and tracked this independently because we're like, we
need to get this down and put this on tape,
so to speak, right now while it's fresh. And honestly,
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if we were ready to release more stuff at that time,
this would have gotten pushed out with that. But we
this song kind of just organically happened like that, and
it was very collaborative. And the lyric part is always
Ted's thing. The lyric concept thing has become more of
a collaborative thing, especially with all the new stuff, where
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there'll be a mood to a song. And there's been
a couple of things where I've brought the music to
rehearsal and been like, let's figure out a format for
this and to see like where the pocket is and
how the vibe of this is. And then Ted will
kind of talk about what he's feeling about it, and
I'll pitch an idea. And then there's a song on
the new album called These Walls where he was talking
(21:06):
about what it was like, you know, building walls up
to keep everybody away from you and to try to
have some kind of self preservation because of everybody who's
always trying to ruin your stuff. And I'm like, that's awesome.
I'm like, what about if we take that concept and
then also flip it around, because you realize you're building
(21:28):
walls too to keep yourself in a place that doesn't
allow you to do anything, it doesn't allow you to grow.
And I remember the day and where I was sitting
in a parking lot in Roseville having this conversation because
we were both like, holy shit, yeah, and it like
kind of set the tone for that song. It's one
of the songs that I think on the on the
new release will be a special one. It already feels
(21:51):
like it's going to be, and just that whole kind
of thing, like we're like an old married couple at
this point to some degree, we're not finishing these other
sentence is But like when it comes to the creative process,
I'll show up at rehearsal and we can get a
lot of stuff done in a very short amount of time,
just because we're older now and we've got the hours
(22:14):
in to do it. But also like we know where
stuff's going to go, and it either feels right or
it doesn't feel right at all, And I often say
it's either a hell yes or a fuck no, And
we can get to that point with most things pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No, that's great, that's great, So okay. So earlier you
also said this song is the first single off our
News I'm kidding, the first single at the new record
And there was a show in a video that happened
at the same time. So por when was the show
and where.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Was it it? It was July eighteenth, so it was
that same Friday.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
It was at Zora Darling in Minneapolis, and we actually
were put on that bill. Our good friend Brad Gunnerson
kind of turned us on to that gig, mister.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Cardinals, Sun Records. Yes, yeah, no one as Status Sphere Media,
also known as the best asset to Twin Cities rock
and roll in local indie music. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
And Uh And actually, Brad, if you haven't seen the
video yet, you or anybody, Brad is actually starring in
the music video for this song Oh Cool, which she was.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Not very excited about, but we talked him into it anyways.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Imagine that's all.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
He acted like he wasn't going to enjoy it, but
I think he had a great time.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, oh good, No, that's that's cool. Awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So okay, So new single, new video featuring Brad and
Uh in a show, all on the same day. So
then when what is the name of the new record?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
The new record is called Too Sad, Too Serious?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Okay, and when does it come out?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
We don't know that yet TVD. Yeah, we're we're in
the process. All the songs are tracked, everything that we'll say,
we're actually in the process of like flushing out which
ones are going to be on the record and then
doing like final overdubs, harmonies, that kind of stuff. So
we're very very close.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Cool just because I'm curious and I'm going to push it.
Are you do you think it'll happen this year or
is it early next year?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
What do you think that is this year? Is the goal? Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Cool?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Good?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Awesome? Awesome? Cool?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is there anything more that you want to talk about
specifically about the song?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
All I need?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I think for me, I mean Ted obviously was the
writer of the lyrics and the meaning behind it all.
It's interesting watching the video. I sent it to my dad,
who watched it and was and his response was like, Wow,
there's a lot to unpack there. I'm going to have
to watch this a couple of times. And I totally
agree with that because even me as a partial insider
(24:54):
looking at from the outside, there's a lot of stuff
going on there and in the continuous world of people
grabbing for things that they think is going to make
them happy, and ultimately it's all bullshit because it's all
an inside job when it comes down to it, anyway,
and the new thing that you spent all this money
on that you don't have or you're one hundred and
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ten thousand dollars a car that you can't afford, or
the things that are sold to you as potential happiness
don't exist. And there's a thing that is being sold
in this video that is blurry the whole time. And
I'm not going to ruin the end of the video
for anybody that hasn't seen it yet, But if you
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watch that and kind of focus on that concept through
the video again, it's like people grasping at sras for
things and then them not being able to find what
doesn't exist. There is a very relevant thing, especially in
today's culture.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
No, that's great, and thank you again for sharing all that, Nick.
I look forward to seeing it myself. I've not seen
it yet, and when I published this episode, I'll make
sure that I'll link to the videos out there as
well as a link to your band camp and Instagram
and your website and whatever else you want me to
post up so we can.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Drive people to it. Cool. Well, then let's do this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Let's take a quick break, and we're gonna come back
and talk more with Ted and Nick about exactly knowing
what's coming up next.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So hang with us.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
We'll be right back, all right, And we are back
with Nick and ted from exactly no to talk about
them their band and what they're working on. So tell
me about who does all of the video editing for
the various videos and things that you're working on.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I went to school for video production, okay, fresh out
of high school, and you know, did my thing, and
then kind of didn't start working in it until about
ten years after the fact, and then I kind of
hit it hard. So for me, I think I have
shot or edited or both, like every video that we've
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ever done, I think so, right, yeah, So for me,
it's kind of a passion project. And then once once
we had the idea for this video, like I remember,
we were sitting down eating dinner with Brad and like
the idea started to kind of develop. And then after
we were all sort of like on board with what
we should do, then I don't remember who, but somebody
brought up some other little detail and I was like,
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oh my god, he just blew my brains out.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
With that one.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
So then then we kind of went dove back in
and then then went at it hard and and it
just became this huge concept. And then of course the
panic of like okay, well, now I've got this huge
idea like, how do we make it work?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
So we did.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
It did come together and then I told Nick the
day I delivered the video, I was like, I don't
want to hear this song again for the rest of
my life.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Like I'm I'm so sick of it. I'm over it now.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
But that it that that is a fleeting thought because
now I'm really proud of it and you know, happy
to happy to get that out into the world.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
No, that's great, man, and it's great that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean all of that, those passion projects and
be able to incorporate include all that, Like good for you,
Like I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, that'll be really great.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So what then, is what's coming up next for you
guys after this release? Like I'm just curious, like is
there any kind of planned runs in any direction from
a show perspective, touring wise, or are you trying to
do any festivals with it?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Or is it noe?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
We're just putting out record and playing locally and that's
what we do.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And what are your thoughts? What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think we're at the point now where we've been
asking ourselves those questions for forever too and everything. Anybody
that's been in a band, understands it always takes five
times longer than you want it to or think it will,
even if you know that yep. And I think as
we get close here, like once we have the song
lineup figured out and what the record actually will be,
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we're going to figure that out. We'll do a bunch
of the local shows. I'm sure you may even do
some regional stuff, and if we can partner up with
some other good bands, it'd be great to play some actual,
like good shows with some good people and some good venues.
You know, Will it come out on I know, we
got to figure that all out and all that stuff too,
So we're just kind of like we know for sure
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that we're gonna release a single with a video that
will probably be two maybe three of those that could
happen before the record actually comes out comes out because
the world that we live in, it's about singles more
than LPs or even EPs at this point, and we're
trying to be smart about it. And with Ted being
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as amazing is at this obviously it puts a huge
workload on him on the video thing. But like, we
have some really good ideas and we've spent this much
time on the recording process. Why not take a song,
put a video to it, and like get as much
longevity out of that push if you will while you can,
while it's fresh and new, because that's how people find music.
(29:49):
It isn't because necessarily they saw you at some random
video or at some random venue. Right, they saw the
video somewhere. Now they want to go see that band.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yep, no, that's cool, So what then? Kind of that?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
BIG's?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The next question for me is is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
There a label putting this out? Is this a self release?
Is it formally? And that's where you know, I'm just
gonna say it out loud, Brad Gunnerson. I'm going to
hit you up because I want to do an episode
with you because I need to understand what the hell
is going on with Cardinal Sun Records and and all
the bands that you're working with. So that aside, what
where's it coming out?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
You can put us on that call too, because I
would like to know what the hell's going on with
Cardinal Sun Records soon.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Well, everything we've ever done, everything we've ever recorded, has
been independent and okay, partly that's because we just know
we want to do it and we take control and
we go do it, and partly because the whole record
label shopping and all that sort of stuff is a
little bit beyond I don't know what I'm comfortable doing,
and so sure, I don't know. I think it's just
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it's just been the easiest Well that's that's a shitty
way to say, it's been the path that makes the
most sense ahead of us. That being said, like obviously
would be open to those kind of conversations, but it's
kind of like, I'll use this as a kind of
a metaphor or maybe it's a simile, but like when
we're at shows, uh, Nick and I are not necessarily
the type to want to be incredibly social with people.
It doesn't mean we're it doesn't mean we're bad people,
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but like we' it's it's so funny that well especially
well yeah, well, and I'm saying just saying, and for
the two of us, who are pretty introverted, to like
form a rock band together and really you know, and
become such good friends and such good partners as already
such a stretch. But then to take two introverts and
try to put them in a world where it's like,
hey man, you got to go promote yourself, you got
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to go meet people. I think we both just kind of.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Go like, fuck yeah exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
So it's the it's kind of the way to do
it without having to go be that guy or be
that promotional person or anything like that. And like it
kind of sucks because you know, and there's a there's
such a duality in it because it's you're simultaneously able
to do more with without that kind of stuff, but
also then the labor falls on you to be like, well,
(32:03):
now you have to do it, all right, you have
to be a content creator. Now you have to be
a you know, a social media presence and stuff. But
it's not it's not great.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
But the beauty of that too, and the flip side
of it is like there's no timeline, so like we
can take as long as we want to to do anything.
And so if we release a single and the record
doesn't come out untill this time next year, and we
put out three singles that are on that album and
it's released in fall of twenty twenty six, so what
like it. It's fine, it's on our timeline and we
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do it as we have the time to do it.
Because we have lives and families and all those things
too sure, and ultimately, like I think we would love
to have any kind of support from any kind of
indie label, even from a distribution standpoint, or just networking
and being able to play with cool bands. Like to
me speaking for me, and I think ted at this point,
(32:54):
I don't really care about any of that stuff. I
just want to play cool shows with cool people and
like be exposed to some people that still really love
doing this. And I'm not saying that we're not around that,
but like seeing the generation that's a decade younger than
us or even younger than that, who are just kicking ass,
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like that's super motivating, and like being around other great
musicians and great people. If that didn't exist, we would
just stay in the practice space. So we want to
do more of that stuff and play with cool bands,
because that's what it's all about, networking and making those
connections and lifelong friendships. And perfect example, Brett, you and
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I wouldn't be having this call if we hadn't cross paths.
I won't say how many years ago, but for sure
it was a couple, just a couple, just a.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Couple at least.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, no, and you never you just never know what
anything will bring, and nothing happens if nothing happens, so
go do something and make some shit happen, right exactly.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
And to kind of bookend this with like where Bread
fits in with Cardinals Sun, Yeah, please, there's not an
official relationship. I don't know how he said there's you know,
there's no contract or money hands or yeah, well no,
well well we're probably working on that.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
We're working on the dating part.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
But but Brad is just a hell of a guy.
And he has been very gracious with us and seems
very complimentary of of us and our music and has
been a tremendous ally. So even if that's all it
ever is, we're grateful for that support. I mean, he
does the thing on social media, he hooks us up
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with shows when they make sense, and and uh he
makes a good actor in a music video every now
and again.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That's awesome. No, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And he's a great dude. I remember Jeremy and Tepero
is saying to me ten plus years ago, you know,
he's the guy that is a good friend, and he's
the dude that you hope you make it and you're
successful and you get big or whatever that means, so
you can take him along with you to pay him
back for everything he has done to help you. And
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I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, likewise, and just watching everything that he's done in
Minneapolis throughout the years from back when I lived there
and all the bands that I was in and.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
A part of that he helped with the various independent labels,
and that he's still doing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean, he's just been a permanent fixture and figure
in that capacity and always just this drive and willingness
that is just unshakable. That to me is just it
blows my mind and it's it's such a cool thing
to know that he's still out there doing it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's cool. Right on, So, no formal dating relationships,
signed contracts, money changed hands with Cardinal Sun Records. He's
just doing it out of the goodness of his heart,
which is I know, a labor of love for him.
And that's awesome that you guys are connected with him
on that. So I'm super stoked to see where this goes.
(35:48):
And yeah, I want to pay closer to attention to
the various videos and singles as you release them and
paying attention to win this record is actually going to
come out all of that. So again, I'll keep following
you in all the spots that I know too, and
of course Nick, I'll just keep hitting you up for
those random Sunday long drive conversations that I.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Have It say, hey, dude, what's up?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So what is the best place then for someone like
me or someone listening to stay up with you? The
best is it just following you on Instagram? Or is
it on your website? Like, where's the kind of one
stop shop that's the best place to go.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
I think Instagram's probably the most active.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
We started this little thing called gear Stories several months
ago where there's a little i'll say one to four
minute long videos where we kind of talk about the
things we have, how we use them, why we use them,
what the story is behind them. Sure, and we've started
pumping out a bunch of those just to kind of
like share some insider information and just stay active. So
we're we try to post something on there weekly. There's
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a couple more of those in the queue here in
the future. We do our have our website too, which
is kind of the high level view if people aren't
on social media or don't want to participate in that,
which I totally understand and respect. Yea. Otherwise, you know,
Facebook is out there, music is on Spotify, band Camp,
Apple Music, anything else I'm forgotten. No, that's those are
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the big ones, you know, just the usual suspects, so
to speak.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Sure, for sure?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And so are you putting up any new merch as
a result of this release on band Camp?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Nothing for the single, but when the record is finally
ready to come out, or before the record comes out,
we actually have some cool merch that's going to be
coming out. We partnered with a local artist. I don't
know if I want to give it anything away yet,
but there'll be there will be some cool stuff. It's
and also it's the first time, well second time, I
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guess that we've gone outside of our own little well
I can't even call it a circle if it's just
the two of us. But the second time we've contracted
with somebody to do artwork for us, which is exciting
because you know, I'm sure you know, like you you,
when you do something yourself all the time, it's easy
to feel like, well, this sucks, and like it's kind
of boring.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So you just want to, Yeah, you just want to.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
You just want something fresh, Like I wanted somebody to
design something that I wouldn't have designed, you know. Yeah,
So hopefully some cool stuff coming out with that, and
it'll be it'll be different than anything we've done before,
and I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
No, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And for everybody that hasn't been to exactly Know dot
band camp dot com, there's all kinds of merch and
records and recordings and things to get there, so go
there on band camp Friday, where all the money goes
to the artist. I can't encourage that enough. So please
support exactly No and all your favorite bands on band
camp whenever you can. Yeah, Ted, Nick, thank you so
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much again for coming on today to talk about this.
I'm super stoked about the song, can't wait to see
the video, can't wait to see the next upcoming videos here,
the next, and the record.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
When it's done. You guys are such a dynamic group and.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I've loved seeing you live whenever I had the opportunity,
and I just can't wait to hear anymore. So thanks
again for coming on today chat about it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Thanks man. Yeah, thank you three trous Beside Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
All right, and that wraps up another episode of the
B Side Breakdown. I want to thank Nick and Ted
from Exactly No for coming along to talk about their
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Speaker 4 (40:13):
All right, thanks, Let's have to play in Amocholica cover man.
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We would play O Say to the opens.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
On a cut of the Rand
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Three tros B Side Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, hello, everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. This
is episode forty one of a podcast where I talk
with other artists, musicians and songwriters about a song they've
written that's meaningful to them that they want to talk about.
Before we get into the conversation, though, they need to
give me permission to play the song in its entirety
on this episode, which they have and so then you
get to listen to it before we get into our chat. Today,
(00:29):
I'm gonna be talking with the band Exactly Know that
hails from Minnesota, Minneapolish area. I would gather and we're
gonna be talking with Nick and Ted about their song
All I Need. So there's a new single that came
out on July eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Check it out. It's called All I Need by Exactly No.
I don't know what you.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just know, I sar.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I'll be kids.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Your best story is a plot hoorn. Can you just
slip right in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
When you carry this weakness feeling the sofree.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Go to a big mess your hands?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, cry.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Is not.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Miss outside of your mind. I don't know what you know?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Why it'sycopreend new skills.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
She reads a goose kind guy, have an existing see
you in somethings plays, tell you take it on your cat.
If you mother has what you find my nieces his
(02:33):
mom say this episode of.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So what's your get from.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Sad Joe its trun get whatever said stop stop.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Name just one.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Thing, all right, and that was all I Need by exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come
back and talk with Nick and Ted about the song,
the band and everything they're working on. So stay with us.
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That's at patreon dot com slash B Side Breakdown. All right,
we'll be back in just a minute. All right, and
we're back. Let's bring in Nick and Ted and talk
about the song All I Need from the band exactly No,
Nick and Ted, thank you so much for coming on
the show. Finally and talking with me about this song
and your band and everything else.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's awesome. Exactly no.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Thanks for having us man, Yeah, thank you, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Nick has been on the show before talking about something different,
and so now we get Nick and Ted with exactly no.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So I'm super stoked to have you guys here.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I've known you guys obviously for a while, and I've
known of your band for a while, and I love
this new song and I can't wait to hear all
about it. Why did you want to talk about All
I Need today?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, I mean it's it's kind of bizarre because we
wrote this song. I mean, it's got to be pushing
three years ago now, Yeah, and you know, it started
at a time when we weren't really sure what we
wanted to do next, so we thought like, let's make
a single, and then that turned into let's make an EP,
and then that turned into let's record a whole record.
So it was kind of the natural choice for a
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single because it's the one that we've been kind of
dwelling in the longest. But it's it's you know, three
years ago we wrote it. The subject matter was you know,
kind of personal and maybe kind of relevant in the world,
and now I feel like it's just more relevant than
it ever has been. So it's I don't know, it's
kind of the strange path to get there, but it
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feels it feels like the right time for it.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Got it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I and I it sounds amazing. It's the song
is super cool. I love the riffs, I love the drums,
all of the vocals. I love every aspect of it.
And I haven't dug into it deep enough to digest
the entire lyrics completely because I'm sort of a cheat
and normally rely a little bit on artists with band
(06:56):
camp that will say, oh, by the way, here are
the lyrics, so I can.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Help kind of get it.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But tell me about the themes that you were talking about,
ed that are are important to you in this lyrically.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Sure, I mean, in short, if I had to do
it in one sentence, I would say, this song is
a big kind of call out to just the hypocrisy
of people who want to live in their own alternate
reality these days, and in very specific uh, you know,
I'm sort of calling out the hypocritical American Christians and
(07:27):
the behavior that doesn't match the you know what they
what they espouse.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Uh, And that's definitely way longer than one sentence.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Yeah, there's a lot of commas and punctuation a sentence.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
But yeah, I'm just just pointing out the state and
the fact.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, but obviously, like if you look around at what's
happening now, there's a lot of people who would call
themselves you know, quote unquote Christians and a lot of
really fucking terrible, un christian like behavior. Sure, you know,
And that's that's always rubbed me the wrong way, is
you're going to say you're gonna you're gonna say you're
something and then not behave like that. But I feel
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like that is just it is the mount rushmore of
bullshit right now, and which is why I say it's
it's kind of seems more appropriate now than it ever has.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
No, And I totally appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And and thanks for calling that out because anyone else
that had just listened to the song for the first time,
go back and listen to it again with that additional
scope from Ted and see if you where you connect
with that, because.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
For me, yeah, that whole you know, I I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Walk what I talk is one of my biggest you
know is one of the things that I strive to
never do, Like I always want to make sure that
whatever I'm saying and doing that are in line with
my actions and the way that I carry myself in
the world. And yeah, it's super fucking piss off when
I see people not doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
So right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, so where and so you're saying this is the
oldest one of the new batch, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
We tracked this. We actually recorded this, like started the
process three years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Oh, tracking three years ago.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, So it wasn't even that it started being written.
It was probably done almost three years ago. And when
we recorded it, we were like, we finished it, uh,
and we were like, this is different than everything else.
This feels like where we're at now and where we're
heading from this. It was like a fork in the
road just naturally occurred that when we we wrote it
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and recorded it, it was like, huh, this again, this
is different. This feels like the organic next path to
go and life happens and things come up and whatever.
So we kind of drug our heels on it a
little bit and it just got a'll say, pushed to
the side. And actually we had mixed it and everything
and when we started tracking for the new full length
(09:54):
that we're working on right now, this came back up
and we were like, we should release this as a single,
maybe we'll do a video for it. So we did
a video for it, which ended up being a very
comprehensive process. It wasn't just you know, a bunch of
clip art collage kind of thing that took a couple hours.
It was multiple settings, multiple days, multiple people. It's probably
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got seven hundred and forty nine hours into editing the
whole thing, wow or something like that. Maybe not quite
that much. I'm off by a couple hours probably, but regardless,
it started coming out so well and it kind of
got this momentum behind it. We actually went and remixed
it just because two plus years had gone by and
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we're like, I think there's some more juice in this,
and we got it out of it. So it really
just correlated well with the release. And then we were
playing our first show in quite some time, so we're like, well,
let's just release a single, release a video, play a
show all in forty eight hours, and like remind everybody
that hey, we're still here. We've been doing a lot
of stuff and it's a good teaser for the full
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length that is going to be on its way.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, that's great, thank you for all of that background,
because I was wondering if, right given the well, I
was wondering if you were gonna if you ultimately did
retrack it, which sounds like you didn't. You just remixed
or remastered it. So did you record it originally in
the same spot you recorded the rest of the songs.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
No, we did the whole thing at Jeremy Tapio's mixing room,
where he doesn't really do tracking there because it's literally
a room that's acoustically perfect for miss mixing. Okay, we've
done a couple of things there because as the two
of us, I can squeeze in there and get some
cool drum tones for the full length that is yet
(11:40):
to come. That was all done at the Terrarium. So
we went big and went in the big room and
actually set up two kits, two sets of mics, and
picked a kit per song of what felt right that
day in that moment, and just kind of gave ourselves
the ability to do anything and everything we needed to
with it. So within that the recording approached. This was different,
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but it fits the song perfectly got it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So for the musically and instrumentally curious folks like myself
out there, when we see or hear about two piece
bands and there's multiple instruments going on at once, kind
of want to understand a little bit, one ted, how
are you how are you effectively doing that? Are you
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running one instrument into sort of an ab switch into
two different amps, or how are you approaching that?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
From the various tones you get sure?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Uh so, I let me let me back up and
give you some of the background for this. I started
jamming with a friend I don't know fifteen sixteen years
ago and trying to just like fill out the sound
with the two of us and which ultimately became a
cover band that we played in for a while. But
in the process of trying to make that sound a
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little bit more full with just the two two of us,
I started with trying different pedals and then I started
trying like different pickups and stuff, and kind of what
I landed on was for the for the gear geeks
out there, a Duncan Little fifty nine, which is a
humbucker that is in the space of a single coil
pickup like in a strat or something turned sideways so
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that it's picking up the E and the A.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
String, which are the low two strings for the non
guitar players out there.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
And then sending that out separately as its own signal.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And then from there I went.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Through dozens of different iterations of pedals and pre amps
and you know, octave generators and bass amps and everything
to get that low end to sound right. And the
guitar side is easy, like you know, you just play
what you play and it you know, affected how you
want to affect it. But the bass part, it took
a lot of figuring out. And I would say when
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we started this band in twenty sixteen, the guitar part
was absolutely nailed down. The effects heart was still kind
of developing, but I think I really had that figured
out probably around the time we recorded our first record.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
So, and at that point you were using two four
to ten Fender.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Yeah, Fender Basement from seventy eight and seventy nine, big
big two vamps, which was super fun, but that it's
a beast.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You don't want to carry those around, and then two
of them, yeah, and then.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
After you know, after so we recorded Redline City, which
was our last full length, and that was released April
something twenty twenty, which was like a couple of days
before everything shut down. So that record just kind of
just slipped into the crack and got lost, and it's
it was really.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Disheartening because we were really proud of it at the time.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
I mean, I'm still proud of it, but like to
have all that steam just sort of sucked away and
get nothing out of it.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
And I think both in terms of what.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
That did to our morale and the space and time
that it gave us to.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Experiment with stuff influence where we are now.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
And part of that was during that whole that whole
COVID shutdown, I really started experimenting with modelers and kind
of the digital side of things, and I landed on
the line six helix, okay, And so what that did
for me was it it took something that I was
using four or five pedals for and like just put
it all in a digital board at my at my
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fingertips and then I, you know, could could do my
guitar and basside through that all in one. And so
that was that was really kind of like a revolutionary
process in terms of how I thought about making the
two piece sound big and you know, even songwriting because
some of the different things that I could do now
with the digital effects that were just I didn't I
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didn't have three hundred dollars to go spend on this
extra pedal or this other thing just to try it.
Now I could just try basically everything. So some of
that seeped its way into the writing process, and I
think good gear does help drive the writing process. So anyway,
in a roundabout way, that sort of answers your question
about like how how I make the guitar sound like
more than just a guitar.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But I would.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Say the meat of it is taking the guitar signal
and splitting it left and right with two different kind
of sounds, and then that bass sound to kind of
lay underneath everything.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And then obviously Nick is a is a bombastic.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Like yeah, he's not.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
I mean, you're a loud drummer. But like, I don't know,
how would you describe your style?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
That's the worst question. How would you describe yourself? I don't. Yeah,
so it makes play drums like me, man, Yeah so
I know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Well, and that's but that's the beauty of it is
it is kind of undefinable. But Nick is Anybody who
knows Nick knows that he's a beast on the drums,
and there's nothing he can't do. So it makes my
job really easy because I'm like, hey, I wrote the song,
and not only is Nick a great drummer, but a
great musician musician, so he really understands, you know, oh, here,
here's how we can improve this, or here's how we
can change that, or like here's if you've shifted into
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this key, then you can do this with it. So
there's a lot of that back and forth. And now
I feel like what we're writing and everything from both
the music side and the kind of the lyrics and
melody side, like Nick and I are, we're partners in
this more than we ever have been. It used to
be like, oh, I'll bring a song and like, okay,
Nicole come up with drum parts, and or Nick could
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bring a song, we like, okay, I'll learn how to
play what you what you had or whatever. And it's
been more we've been. I think it's been more complimentary
and more of a you know, kind of a partnership
now than it ever has been.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's awesome, That's yeah, No, that's great to hear and
I guess I want to circle back on one last
nerd part about your setup that I didn't quite catch sure,
which was the pickup that you have changed the position
so it's a single CHOI pickup in that it's picking
up the.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Low e and the A string. Again, for the non
guitar players out there, the.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Uh so do you have two are you running two
quarterns cables into your guitar? One goes those that low
e and A and the others everything else.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yes, And for for ten or twelve years that's how
it was, And then recently I went to my luthier
and I had him combine them into a stereo jack
so that I could use just a stereo cable instead cool,
which which does two things. One, it kind of cleans
up the face of the guitar so there aren't two
input jacks. But it also means that it's a little
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bit more deception. And I like seeing kind of that
that crooked look from guitar players trying to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Figure out what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And so then the low end it sounds like you're
running into the line six helix and the rest is
running through your guitar amp.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Is that right? Or am I flipping that around?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's everything's through the helix, both my guitar effects and
my bass effects. But instead of instead of trying to
route you know, five different things, you know, to different
amps and stuff, it's just all housed in the in
the helix.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, got it?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, awesome, Thanks for thanks for clarifying all that, because that,
to me has been a mystery and I was excited
to learn it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So that is that is awesome. So okay.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So then this particular song, though, I get that you're
saying you're a songwriting, your songwriting as a you know,
a duo has evolved, and it used to be, hey,
I bring in something, you bring in something, We learn
each other's parts and then their songs.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But now in the more collaborative side.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Did this song start out on that kind of newer
collaborative path or what was the genesis of this song specifically?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I think this was. I mean, again, we're going back
three years and I kind of remember what I did
for lunch today. Maybe maybe not, but I think it
was like one of those where it came in and
it all just like immediately happened and Ted's like here verse, chorus,
here's some ideas, and the arrangement like kind of came together.
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The bridge in this song, there's almost like two bridges
came together. There's for for me and my part, there's
a very i'll say complex, like drum bridge breakdown thing,
and that just like happened as we were going through it,
and historically speaking for us, anytime those things are happening
when we're doing them, we know we got something. You
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don't even have to work at it. It just like
kind of organically comes to you. And this was one
of those, like I think we played it and had
it nailed down the first day, probably practiced it a
couple more times, and that's why we actually went into
the studio and tracked this independently because we're like, we
need to get this down and put this on tape,
so to speak, right now while it's fresh. And honestly,
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if we were ready to release more stuff at that time,
this would have gotten pushed out with that. But we
this song kind of just organically happened like that, and
it was very collaborative. And the lyric part is always
Ted's thing. The lyric concept thing has become more of
a collaborative thing, especially with all the new stuff, where
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there'll be a mood to a song. And there's been
a couple of things where I've brought the music to
rehearsal and been like, let's figure out a format for
this and to see like where the pocket is and
how the vibe of this is. And then Ted will
kind of talk about what he's feeling about it, and
I'll pitch an idea. And then there's a song on
the new album called These Walls where he was talking
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about what it was like, you know, building walls up
to keep everybody away from you and to try to
have some kind of self preservation because of everybody who's
always trying to ruin your stuff. And I'm like, that's awesome.
I'm like, what about if we take that concept and
then also flip it around, because you realize you're building
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walls too to keep yourself in a place that doesn't
allow you to do anything, it doesn't allow you to grow.
And I remember the day and where I was sitting
in a parking lot in Roseville having this conversation because
we were both like, holy shit, yeah, and it like
kind of set the tone for that song. It's one
of the songs that I think on the on the
new release will be a special one. It already feels
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like it's going to be, and just that whole kind
of thing, like we're like an old married couple at
this point to some degree, we're not finishing these other
sentence is But like when it comes to the creative process,
I'll show up at rehearsal and we can get a
lot of stuff done in a very short amount of time,
just because we're older now and we've got the hours
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in to do it. But also like we know where
stuff's going to go, and it either feels right or
it doesn't feel right at all, And I often say
it's either a hell yes or a fuck no, And
we can get to that point with most things pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
No, that's great, that's great, So okay. So earlier you
also said this song is the first single off our
News I'm kidding, the first single at the new record
And there was a show in a video that happened
at the same time. So por when was the show
and where.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Was it it? It was July eighteenth, so it was
that same Friday.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
It was at Zora Darling in Minneapolis, and we actually
were put on that bill. Our good friend Brad Gunnerson
kind of turned us on to that gig, mister.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Cardinals, Sun Records. Yes, yeah, no one as Status Sphere Media,
also known as the best asset to Twin Cities rock
and roll in local indie music. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
And Uh And actually, Brad, if you haven't seen the
video yet, you or anybody, Brad is actually starring in
the music video for this song Oh Cool, which she was.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Not very excited about, but we talked him into it anyways.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Imagine that's all.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
He acted like he wasn't going to enjoy it, but
I think he had a great time.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, oh good, No, that's that's cool. Awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So okay, So new single, new video featuring Brad and
Uh in a show, all on the same day. So
then when what is the name of the new record?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
The new record is called Too Sad, Too Serious?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Okay, and when does it come out?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
We don't know that yet TVD. Yeah, we're we're in
the process. All the songs are tracked, everything that we'll say,
we're actually in the process of like flushing out which
ones are going to be on the record and then
doing like final overdubs, harmonies, that kind of stuff. So
we're very very close.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Cool just because I'm curious and I'm going to push it.
Are you do you think it'll happen this year or
is it early next year?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
What do you think that is this year? Is the goal? Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Cool?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Good?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Awesome? Awesome? Cool?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is there anything more that you want to talk about
specifically about the song?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
All I need?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I think for me, I mean Ted obviously was the
writer of the lyrics and the meaning behind it all.
It's interesting watching the video. I sent it to my dad,
who watched it and was and his response was like, Wow,
there's a lot to unpack there. I'm going to have
to watch this a couple of times. And I totally
agree with that because even me as a partial insider
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looking at from the outside, there's a lot of stuff
going on there and in the continuous world of people
grabbing for things that they think is going to make
them happy, and ultimately it's all bullshit because it's all
an inside job when it comes down to it, anyway,
and the new thing that you spent all this money
on that you don't have or you're one hundred and
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ten thousand dollars a car that you can't afford, or
the things that are sold to you as potential happiness
don't exist. And there's a thing that is being sold
in this video that is blurry the whole time. And
I'm not going to ruin the end of the video
for anybody that hasn't seen it yet, But if you
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watch that and kind of focus on that concept through
the video again, it's like people grasping at sras for
things and then them not being able to find what
doesn't exist. There is a very relevant thing, especially in
today's culture.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
No, that's great, and thank you again for sharing all that, Nick.
I look forward to seeing it myself. I've not seen
it yet, and when I published this episode, I'll make
sure that I'll link to the videos out there as
well as a link to your band camp and Instagram
and your website and whatever else you want me to
post up so we can.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Drive people to it. Cool. Well, then let's do this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Let's take a quick break, and we're gonna come back
and talk more with Ted and Nick about exactly knowing
what's coming up next.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So hang with us.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
We'll be right back, all right, And we are back
with Nick and ted from exactly no to talk about
them their band and what they're working on. So tell
me about who does all of the video editing for
the various videos and things that you're working on.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I went to school for video production, okay, fresh out
of high school, and you know, did my thing, and
then kind of didn't start working in it until about
ten years after the fact, and then I kind of
hit it hard. So for me, I think I have
shot or edited or both, like every video that we've
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ever done, I think so, right, yeah, So for me,
it's kind of a passion project. And then once once
we had the idea for this video, like I remember,
we were sitting down eating dinner with Brad and like
the idea started to kind of develop. And then after
we were all sort of like on board with what
we should do, then I don't remember who, but somebody
brought up some other little detail and I was like,
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oh my god, he just blew my brains out.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
With that one.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
So then then we kind of went dove back in
and then then went at it hard and and it
just became this huge concept. And then of course the
panic of like okay, well, now I've got this huge
idea like, how do we make it work?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
So we did.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
It did come together and then I told Nick the
day I delivered the video, I was like, I don't
want to hear this song again for the rest of
my life.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Like I'm I'm so sick of it. I'm over it now.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
But that it that that is a fleeting thought because
now I'm really proud of it and you know, happy
to happy to get that out into the world.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
No, that's great, man, and it's great that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean all of that, those passion projects and
be able to incorporate include all that, Like good for you,
Like I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, that'll be really great.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So what then, is what's coming up next for you
guys after this release? Like I'm just curious, like is
there any kind of planned runs in any direction from
a show perspective, touring wise, or are you trying to
do any festivals with it?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Or is it noe?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
We're just putting out record and playing locally and that's
what we do.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And what are your thoughts? What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think we're at the point now where we've been
asking ourselves those questions for forever too and everything. Anybody
that's been in a band, understands it always takes five
times longer than you want it to or think it will,
even if you know that yep. And I think as
we get close here, like once we have the song
lineup figured out and what the record actually will be,
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we're going to figure that out. We'll do a bunch
of the local shows. I'm sure you may even do
some regional stuff, and if we can partner up with
some other good bands, it'd be great to play some actual,
like good shows with some good people and some good venues.
You know, Will it come out on I know, we
got to figure that all out and all that stuff too,
So we're just kind of like we know for sure
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that we're gonna release a single with a video that
will probably be two maybe three of those that could
happen before the record actually comes out comes out because
the world that we live in, it's about singles more
than LPs or even EPs at this point, and we're
trying to be smart about it. And with Ted being
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as amazing is at this obviously it puts a huge
workload on him on the video thing. But like, we
have some really good ideas and we've spent this much
time on the recording process. Why not take a song,
put a video to it, and like get as much
longevity out of that push if you will while you can,
while it's fresh and new, because that's how people find music.
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It isn't because necessarily they saw you at some random
video or at some random venue. Right, they saw the
video somewhere. Now they want to go see that band.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yep, no, that's cool, So what then? Kind of that?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
BIG's?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The next question for me is is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
There a label putting this out? Is this a self release?
Is it formally? And that's where you know, I'm just
gonna say it out loud, Brad Gunnerson. I'm going to
hit you up because I want to do an episode
with you because I need to understand what the hell
is going on with Cardinal Sun Records and and all
the bands that you're working with. So that aside, what
where's it coming out?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
You can put us on that call too, because I
would like to know what the hell's going on with
Cardinal Sun Records soon.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Well, everything we've ever done, everything we've ever recorded, has
been independent and okay, partly that's because we just know
we want to do it and we take control and
we go do it, and partly because the whole record
label shopping and all that sort of stuff is a
little bit beyond I don't know what I'm comfortable doing,
and so sure, I don't know. I think it's just
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it's just been the easiest Well that's that's a shitty
way to say, it's been the path that makes the
most sense ahead of us. That being said, like obviously
would be open to those kind of conversations, but it's
kind of like, I'll use this as a kind of
a metaphor or maybe it's a simile, but like when
we're at shows, uh, Nick and I are not necessarily
the type to want to be incredibly social with people.
It doesn't mean we're it doesn't mean we're bad people,
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but like we' it's it's so funny that well especially
well yeah, well, and I'm saying just saying, and for
the two of us, who are pretty introverted, to like
form a rock band together and really you know, and
become such good friends and such good partners as already
such a stretch. But then to take two introverts and
try to put them in a world where it's like,
hey man, you got to go promote yourself, you got
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to go meet people. I think we both just kind of.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Go like, fuck yeah exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
So it's the it's kind of the way to do
it without having to go be that guy or be
that promotional person or anything like that. And like it
kind of sucks because you know, and there's a there's
such a duality in it because it's you're simultaneously able
to do more with without that kind of stuff, but
also then the labor falls on you to be like, well,
(32:03):
now you have to do it, all right, you have
to be a content creator. Now you have to be
a you know, a social media presence and stuff. But
it's not it's not great.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
But the beauty of that too, and the flip side
of it is like there's no timeline, so like we
can take as long as we want to to do anything.
And so if we release a single and the record
doesn't come out untill this time next year, and we
put out three singles that are on that album and
it's released in fall of twenty twenty six, so what
like it. It's fine, it's on our timeline and we
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do it as we have the time to do it.
Because we have lives and families and all those things
too sure, and ultimately, like I think we would love
to have any kind of support from any kind of
indie label, even from a distribution standpoint, or just networking
and being able to play with cool bands. Like to
me speaking for me, and I think ted at this point,
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I don't really care about any of that stuff. I
just want to play cool shows with cool people and
like be exposed to some people that still really love
doing this. And I'm not saying that we're not around that,
but like seeing the generation that's a decade younger than
us or even younger than that, who are just kicking ass,
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like that's super motivating, and like being around other great
musicians and great people. If that didn't exist, we would
just stay in the practice space. So we want to
do more of that stuff and play with cool bands,
because that's what it's all about, networking and making those
connections and lifelong friendships. And perfect example, Brett, you and
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I wouldn't be having this call if we hadn't cross paths.
I won't say how many years ago, but for sure
it was a couple, just a couple, just a.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Couple at least.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, no, and you never you just never know what
anything will bring, and nothing happens if nothing happens, so
go do something and make some shit happen, right exactly.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
And to kind of bookend this with like where Bread
fits in with Cardinals Sun, Yeah, please, there's not an
official relationship. I don't know how he said there's you know,
there's no contract or money hands or yeah, well no,
well well we're probably working on that.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
We're working on the dating part.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
But but Brad is just a hell of a guy.
And he has been very gracious with us and seems
very complimentary of of us and our music and has
been a tremendous ally. So even if that's all it
ever is, we're grateful for that support. I mean, he
does the thing on social media, he hooks us up
(34:29):
with shows when they make sense, and and uh he
makes a good actor in a music video every now
and again.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
That's awesome. No, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And he's a great dude. I remember Jeremy and Tepero
is saying to me ten plus years ago, you know,
he's the guy that is a good friend, and he's
the dude that you hope you make it and you're
successful and you get big or whatever that means, so
you can take him along with you to pay him
back for everything he has done to help you. And
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I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, likewise, and just watching everything that he's done in
Minneapolis throughout the years from back when I lived there
and all the bands that I was in and.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
A part of that he helped with the various independent labels,
and that he's still doing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean, he's just been a permanent fixture and figure
in that capacity and always just this drive and willingness
that is just unshakable. That to me is just it
blows my mind and it's it's such a cool thing
to know that he's still out there doing it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's cool. Right on, So, no formal dating relationships,
signed contracts, money changed hands with Cardinal Sun Records. He's
just doing it out of the goodness of his heart,
which is I know, a labor of love for him.
And that's awesome that you guys are connected with him
on that. So I'm super stoked to see where this goes.
(35:48):
And yeah, I want to pay closer to attention to
the various videos and singles as you release them and
paying attention to win this record is actually going to
come out all of that. So again, I'll keep following
you in all the spots that I know too, and
of course Nick, I'll just keep hitting you up for
those random Sunday long drive conversations that I.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Have It say, hey, dude, what's up?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So what is the best place then for someone like
me or someone listening to stay up with you? The
best is it just following you on Instagram? Or is
it on your website? Like, where's the kind of one
stop shop that's the best place to go.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
I think Instagram's probably the most active.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
We started this little thing called gear Stories several months
ago where there's a little i'll say one to four
minute long videos where we kind of talk about the
things we have, how we use them, why we use them,
what the story is behind them. Sure, and we've started
pumping out a bunch of those just to kind of
like share some insider information and just stay active. So
we're we try to post something on there weekly. There's
(36:53):
a couple more of those in the queue here in
the future. We do our have our website too, which
is kind of the high level view if people aren't
on social media or don't want to participate in that,
which I totally understand and respect. Yea. Otherwise, you know,
Facebook is out there, music is on Spotify, band Camp,
Apple Music, anything else I'm forgotten. No, that's those are
(37:16):
the big ones, you know, just the usual suspects, so
to speak.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Sure, for sure?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And so are you putting up any new merch as
a result of this release on band Camp?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Nothing for the single, but when the record is finally
ready to come out, or before the record comes out,
we actually have some cool merch that's going to be
coming out. We partnered with a local artist. I don't
know if I want to give it anything away yet,
but there'll be there will be some cool stuff. It's
and also it's the first time, well second time, I
(37:51):
guess that we've gone outside of our own little well
I can't even call it a circle if it's just
the two of us. But the second time we've contracted
with somebody to do artwork for us, which is exciting
because you know, I'm sure you know, like you you,
when you do something yourself all the time, it's easy
to feel like, well, this sucks, and like it's kind
of boring.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So you just want to, Yeah, you just want to.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
You just want something fresh, Like I wanted somebody to
design something that I wouldn't have designed, you know. Yeah,
So hopefully some cool stuff coming out with that, and
it'll be it'll be different than anything we've done before,
and I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
No, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And for everybody that hasn't been to exactly Know dot
band camp dot com, there's all kinds of merch and
records and recordings and things to get there, so go
there on band camp Friday, where all the money goes
to the artist. I can't encourage that enough. So please
support exactly No and all your favorite bands on band
camp whenever you can. Yeah, Ted, Nick, thank you so
(38:52):
much again for coming on today to talk about this.
I'm super stoked about the song, can't wait to see
the video, can't wait to see the next upcoming videos here,
the next, and the record.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
When it's done. You guys are such a dynamic group and.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I've loved seeing you live whenever I had the opportunity,
and I just can't wait to hear anymore. So thanks
again for coming on today chat about it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Thanks man. Yeah, thank you three trous Beside Breakdown.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
All right, and that wraps up another episode of the
B Side Breakdown. I want to thank Nick and Ted
from Exactly No for coming along to talk about their
song All I Need In the background. Are you hearing
the song Butterflies from the band The Snorts. If you
like what you hear, please go back and listen to
the previous episode, because that's what it was all about.
Up next, I have the song Unrest from the band
Kind Skies. I'll give you a taste of that at
(39:56):
the end of this episode. I want to thank Adam
cool Long and carry Bosel for helping me put together
the jingle you hear at the beginning and the end
of this episode. Please subscribe to this podcast wherever you
get your podcasts. I can't thank you enough for your
continued and ongoing support. Please stay for safe in saying
out there and we will catch up in the next one.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
All right, thanks, Let's have to play in Amocholica cover man.
(40:35):
We would play O Say to the opens.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
On a cut of the Rand
Speaker 4 (40:42):
We would play se
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