Perfect Victims

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Jeremy & Jenny Discuss ”Perfect Victims” (1988, Dir. Shuki Levy)
 
Hosts: Jenny Wenger & Jeremy Briggs
Editor: Genevieve Marie
Produced by: Jenny Wenger, Jeremy Briggs, & Genevieve Marie 
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• 0:00 - Cold Open
• 1:00 - Open Credits
• 1:30 - Welcome
• 2:28 - Not-So-Current Events”
• 10:00 - Review “Perfect Victims”
• 35:26 - On Set Speculation
• 1:06:15 - Remake Reboot Reimagining, Remaster or Sequel?
• 1:08:27 - Movie MVPs
• 1:09:46 - Nostalgia of the Week

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Friday, March third, nineteen eighty nine. You're in a mood,
a particular mood. You peruse the titles when something catches
your attention. A torn picture of two beautiful bombshells with
big blown out hair, A menacing figure standing in a

(00:28):
spotlight in the lower right hand corner. The tagline teases
your senses. Perfect hair, perfect faces, perfect bodies. Everything points
to an erotic thriller, the genre that will satiate the
particular moods you find yourself in. But is it or

(00:52):
are you two like the women on the cover one
of its perfect victims. Oh, welcome to be Sad Video Rentals.

(01:30):
I'm Jeremy Briggs and.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm Jenny Winger.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hi, Jenny, Hey, Hey, hey hey. Oh. I'm just excited
to talk about a lighthearted romp, a fun adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thrilling performances. Who and you know like it's It does
help that you can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It was difficult. We found it for a three week
special on YouTube for.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Sure, and they very quickly got reported. It's not like
what is with this film? Found out watching it?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ye, Well, we're gonna have some fun, but first I
think we got we got some news to talk about.
Oh yes, March third, nineteen eighty nine. Ze, so you're

(02:35):
not so current events?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well, that is so cool. The Senate voted.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's cool. The Senate voted ninety four to zero to
confirm Edward J. Derwinsky tonight as the first Secretariat Veteran Affairs.
He's said to be perfect for the job after sleeping
with a dozen veteran wives.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
He's field tested wife approved. A man who said he
swallowed seven grams of cocaine to avoid arrest died Wednesday
of an overdose two hours later. I've swallowed seven grams crackers,
So I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hey, yeah, you need milk for thows. You gotta have milk.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Gotta have milk bones too. We'll get into that milk
a little bit later. Brian de Palma is to direct
the film version of Tom Wolfe's best selling novel The
Bonfire of the Vanities for Warner Brothers, which pisses me

(03:41):
off because I just finished a screenplay called The Bonfire
of the Vanity Mirrors?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Are you kidding me? Mine's called The trash camp Fire
of the Vanities. Darryl Strawberry stayed away from the meds
training camp today, I was promptly fine for violating his contry.
He later said that he'd return Saturday and would give
them it's two dynamite ears, completely blowing up their chances

(04:07):
at the playoffs. Done'm the armed forces are experiencing a
shortage of Roman Catholic chaplains that appear to be more
severe than the shortage of Catholic priests and civilian life.
But what's worse than our shortage of Roman Catholic chaplains
are short of a Charlie Chaplin.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well are Charlie.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I appreciate you letting me say that one.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Gary Busey, an outspoken opponent of motorcycle helmet laws, says
his near fatal crash didn't change his mind. He said
on Wednesday that if he had been wearing a helmet
when he crashed, he could be a vegetable like a
radish or a broccoli. And that's grody, dude.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Hey, I'm vegan.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
A Napa County judge today halted a weekend concert that
would feature racist rock and roll music by neo Nazi
bands and is being called an Ariyan Woodstock. Its slogan
was peace, love and just kidding racism.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
The United States Golf Association expresses for Gray yesterday that
the PGA Tour had banned all makes of irons with
square groups. But I'm with the PGA. If you've ever
seen a square groove, you know we need to ban
those nerds from dancing stupid squares. The driver laid siege
to grain crops last summer also set off alarms.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
About the virulent I don't know either half. It's a
news article.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Basis speak words. The virulent poison afflux afflota flotoxin. Yeah,
got you, bitch, which flourished on corn weekend by dry
weather and has caused liver cancer and laboratory animals. My solution,
stop beating them poisoned corn.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Stupid.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
This is definitely poison. Get into the vicky and see
what happens.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
That monculated, stupid monkey.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
The poison eats anything they given.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
An American flag draped on the gallery floor at the
School of the Art Institute has ignited protests by veteran
groups and raised questions about the freedom of expression, making
us drastically second guess our upcoming line of patriotic jockstraps.
Yes on our website, the stars were on the balls,

(06:32):
Yeah of course where they should be me. Navy radars
detected a metal object falling into the ocean eighty six
miles from Honolulu, about forty five seconds after a hole
was torn into the side of the United Air mines.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
No stop place, please, I get patsdu and torn holes
are mentioned. I was popular. The Bush administration expects some
notify Congress next week that it will go ahead with
the one point two billion venture, which appans to make

(07:10):
an advanced version of the F sixteen fighter for the
Japanese military. When we asked the Japanese officials for a statement,
we were left baffled and confused because we forgot to
hire a translator.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I was baffled. I didn't understand a damn word.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, missed all of that. Hospital experts and pediatric care
said today that children's health in the US is in jeopardy,
saying our social and political negligence is creating generations of
medically homeless children for whom we'll all pay a very
high price in the years to come. But what they
failed to mention is just how cool happy meal toys are.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, they're hamburgers, but also robots. They're handbots.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's fun.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Kids, deserve it.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Most of them.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeh. Navy, Coast Guard and commercial salvage vessels battled twelve
to fifteen foot seas today to free a grounded tanker
that spilled one hundred and seventeen thousand gallons of oil
that are threatening the beaches of oh Ah. What is
that one?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is that a wahu?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh? Yes, I can't read English. If only they fed
the sailor's spinach and told him it was olive oil.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh my god, I love poppy.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
The Weekly Mail, a leading anti apartheid newspaper, said that
many Swatu residents suspect Jerry Richardson, who calls himself the
coach of the Mandelas United soccer team, maybe a police agent.
Mister Richardson denied the allegation, saying it's just a mustache.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Couches can mustache too, We can mustache too. And an
attempt to slow the pace of drug related killings in
the state's capital, the city council has voted to bar
teenagers from gathering on street corners late at night, stating
the drug fueled sacrificial mutilations of infants in the name
of Satan need to go back to their basements where they.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Belong where they belong, there's a place for them. Yeah,
which is why I need a basement. And finally, there
will be a new moon out tonight, so good news,
no were wolves in sight, but there will be a
buttload of hippies out manifesting their intentions, So keep an

(09:35):
eye out for that one and that. Because you're not
so current events.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm one of those hippies.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Are you manifesting?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Girls, I'm manifesting that I can learn how to read
me too.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Let's let's talk about how this film feels like it
should be an erotic thriller but is definitely not in
a ratick thriller.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Like when I looked at the covers like hot ladies, Yeah,
like I thought I was in for like more like
worshiping of Barbara Crampton and Kathleen Kenmont and then I
get in a night.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh. I do think that that tagline is great. Perfect hair,
perfect face is perfect boggy.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But who doesn't want to watch that?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, you've got me? And even like in the movie itself,
You've got the way it was filmed, the music in it,
the crossfade edits all like scream eighties nineties erotic thriller.
But yeah, boy outie, it's it's like a it's a
serial killer movie.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
They added really really weird elements that just made it
like even more unsettling, like that she was a mom
and her baby is with her.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, I mean to me, like I I like, I
don't even know what to call it because it's not
even a horror movie. No, it's like it's a non
erotic serial killer crime drama. That's where I'm putting it. Yeah,
not at all erotic, not erotic. Hopefully if you found
this feature erotic, I know a few frat boys they

(11:11):
were like, what did he do wrong? Like, there are
definitely boobies in the film, but they're yes, boo, the
boobies are boobies in peril, and yes, it's hard to
enjoy boobies when set boobies are paralyzed in peril.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah wrong, Oh, you're so right. It's and you know,
this is the whole thing, Like we kind of discussed
how the first time I saw boobies was in sleepaway camp.
So it's like this, Oh no, there are horrible things happening,
but boobies are really pretty. But even in this like

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the horrible thing happening isn't campy, no no, no, So
when the camp element is taken out, it's just upsetting
the opening.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
What do you think of that opening shot? We've got
that classic Andered POV of the killer following a lady.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, which that I dig. I love that POV stuff.
I love that kind of stock he had.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Really then that really good like cross cut shot where
like the killers in this truck smoking and he's like
watching her in the mirror. It's like going back and
you see her.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And the music is good too. Yeah, and that the
same guy who directed this. He does music he does yeah, yeah,
he's an award winning musician. And what was the cartoon
that he did that he's known for.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
This guy.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, it's not a cartoon, girl, it's the Mighty morphin
Power Range.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's it. I was like, it's some kids thing.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah. Five years after this uh thing going around him,
after this little fun little piece, he did Power.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Rangers, which is so weird, he did.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
A go go raping movie. Okay, So this woman that
he's stalking at the beginning, what I love is random
A guy that she knows pulls up and it's like, say,
are you going to the party. Why aren't you at
the party?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
My car broke down, right?

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And then he's like, hop in, it's dangerous for a
girl out there, and she says, am I safer with you?
And he goes probably not. It's the eighties frat nude guy.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
She's not safe.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean maybe a little bit safer. She's definitely a
changed woman in the morning.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yes, yes, not as many longs.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I was just in here like, I don't want to
give away why it would be worse with our guy.
It's not like he kills women, but he gives them
a death sentence.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
He does. Yeah, sometimes we will, you know, we'll go
into that because at the end I was like, wait,
did he Is he just a really bad killer? And
then I was like, oh no, no, he's fine, he's fine.
His numbers are fine.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, he's he's definitely killing people. Something that I really
enjoyed was reading other people's reviews.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh my goodness, did you read some of them? Oh
my gosh.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
One out of ten stars. Demented trash sake film about
an AIDS infected psychopath raping and infecting innocent women. What
is the point of this film? It is not entertaining
or terrifying. It's just terribly demented. Some passable acting, but

(14:49):
the storyline is mentally disturbing. Bring a barf bag with
you if you decide to watch this toiletable waste of filmmaking.
My favorite part though, is she's like demented trash.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Wasn't that your nickname in college?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah? I had so many.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Look, it is an uncomfortable fill, and I will agree
in that sense of just yep, it's effective. Yeah, it's
very effective because it makes you feel It does make
you feel that way.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
And the lead guy, I was so confused because he
kept letting a Southern accent slip out, and as a Southerner,
I always can spot, like, for the most part, a
fake Southern accent and it always irritates me and takes
me out. But I was like, this guy's got to
be Southern, and like maybe he's trying to hide it

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when it's not as thick and heavy, but it was.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
When sometimes when you're in it, it like you just
start slipping and it comes out.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, totally. But then I researched and he's from Jersey
and he's like an award winning playwright, Like he's like
mister artists, so like that was a choice he made.
I'm actually very impressed with that.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Because you were like, did layas upon layas stats on sticks?

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I was proud of him for that only thing. I mean,
when you get offered, like you know, you're an actor, Yeah,
like you're an actor. Yeah he's like the officer who
arrested somebody, or yeah, this cop. He plays a lot
of cops. But what I think is interesting is as
an actor, you know, you you get offered, you get

(16:39):
an audition, and it's with like somebody who you think, oh,
they're going places, what's my role? You study it, you audition,
You only get a small piece of what you're going
to be doing.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You don't really know anything other than those three or
four pages, like you booked it.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
He's so excited they send him the full script and
he's sitting there like I'm gonna have to make some
really outside the box choice.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm gonna have to be bold on this one.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
And he really did, like I really think he did.
Like that's what I'll say is like there were things
where I was like, why is he smiling right now?
So he just made these little weird choices that I
think made it interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So we kind of after our little opening montage thing
there going through the city we have, we go to
a modeling agency and we meet Carrie and Melissa or
two what we think at this moment are our main people.
Carrie is played by Jackie Swanson who was on twenty
four episodes of Cheers, and she did this film a

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year before, or she did, but the year before this
film she was Amanda Hunsaker or Hunsacker and lethal weapon.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And then Melissa is played by Nicolette Scorsese, no relation,
no relationship, and you may know her as Mary, the
lingerie saleswoman in Christmas Vacation.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Holy wow.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Chriswald flirts with can't see the lyon? Can't you Russ?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Just case getting perved on?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, she can't help pretty ladies can't help it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
They can't help it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You get perved on, Holly weird.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You choose to come here.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, it's your fault. I'm sorry for saying that.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I have a life and I have talked.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Anyways, they go to meet their brand new agent, Liz
Winter's modeling agent takes straordinair.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
And it's incredible because she's like a top agent and
they're like, oh, we don't have any materials. She's like,
that's great, you're signed.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I talked to Jimmy from like She's like, you were
a referral with him. He's in good with me. Yeah,
you're booked for tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yep, we're doing some shoots with you.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
We're doing shoots right in the morning.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And they're moving to LA and trying to be a
modelist light.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
He was so just like you're here, welcome your first
japs in the morning, your dreams. And then we cut
oh and she she makes this reference of like have
you guys found a place to live? Oh, yeah, we did.
We just found a place. We're moving in this morning.
Cut to the movers moving their stuff into the apartment. Yeah,

(19:31):
and immediately like this, there's this weird relationship with these
two movers.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, like so them is so mad over the other
one having a bone.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Because he's like digging through all the their like modeling
photos and stuff. And he says like the best line,
Oh wow, my tongue is so odd. I can barely speak.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Man, what's like what that's not how that works?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
My tongue does what mys ladies don't like it? It's weird.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
And then the guy's like overly pissed about, like.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's he's so offended, and he like grabs throws him up,
like oh my god. Yeah it wasn't a great joke,
but like.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Why and I like that they've worked together. Yes, yeah,
they've worked together, and like that guy acts like it's
like shocking. It's like, oh, today's the day.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, it's like no, this guy is immediately like, okay,
this is our killer.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, he's psychotic.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
There's like no.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Doubt about it in our minds. Okay, this guy is
our killer.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah. And then he takes the photo.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The guy gets on like the exercise bike. It's like
he's go get the rest of the stuff. Yeah, well
what are you gonna do? Yeah, So when he goes
to get the rest of the stuff, he goes snooping
into the house, He steals a photo, opens the refrigerator
and grabs them milk and like smiles. You haves a
jug of a dollon milk milk. No, No, it's a

(21:05):
it's a down of milk. Milk.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay. For some reason, I thought it looked like it
was like her breast milk.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
No, it's like a jug of milk, and he like
smiles and immediately I don't know about you, but my
instinct was like, oh, he's going to stick his dick in.
It's like, don't drink.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh my god. That's so funny because Jenna and Jenevie's uh,
not with us today listening and to text me things.
But when I was dating someone who was kind of
a dufust and was always the milk, I told her,
I said, I don't know what he does all day,
Like I think he just sits around dipping his dick
and milk. I just feel like that's what he does.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
That milk dick. He's just got that milk dick, you.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Know, So I can't. You're the only other person I've
ever heard talk about dick dipping and milk besides me. Girl,
we're a mess with you and we will be the
mass they're coming to give us.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And then so he does that little smile thing. Then
we cut to a Japanese sushi restaurant, and of course,
being the eighties, you know, we got to have that
mild racism and joke about how terrible sushi is those
freak feet fair shit. Yeah, and we meet Liz Winter's

(22:28):
modeling agent, extraordinaries boyfriend. Yes, yes, he's a film producers,
like practically begging her to get there.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Total.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Also her father from Ferris Bueller.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, he wants her to move in with him so bad.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't know if you if you clocked this when
the host brings them in, obviously they're friends. He like
when he's like, oh, can I get you anything, he
puts his hand on his shoulder and it's so sentiment Yeah,
all intimate and just like it was so uncomfortabs, Like
you know when you just put your hand on your buddy,

(23:05):
there's nothing It was not that it was soft, and
like the way it was placed.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
We know why he got cast in that role. He said, listen,
we're in the scene with a waiter. Can you just
give it to my friend?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
It was just such a weird choice that I couldn't
stop watching, Like, yeah, watching his little caress of this
guy's shoulder.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, very intentional.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
And then of course it's like they're like ask what
they want. You guys want sushi, and it's like, oh,
why ruin a perfectly raw piece of fish? It's a
sushi joke. Yeah, and then she like goes to eat
it and goes, no, I can't. It's still moving.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like you live in LA and this is your first
experience with sushi. You're a top modeling agency.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, And then we cut back to our girls and
our model first time. Yes, our models.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Racing, racing a baby together.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Introduce it. Oh you got you there's a baby involved. Yeah,
first mentioned nothing. Ever, Thank goodness, the landlord was willing
to babysit.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, Like, we're here alone and we have no baby.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
But all of a sudden, baby appears. And I don't
know what it looked like to you, but to me,
it looked like they were keeping the baby in like
the bottom dresser drawer. Yeah, like they just opened the
bottom drawer and put the baby.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's a baby.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It was a bad angle, but that's what it looked like. Yeah,
it did.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
It did look like that. And I was like, we
have no business with this baby. But like in the eighties,
it's like, what did you do if you weren't good
at being a mom and you had.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
A baby, so you put them in the dresser.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
It's not like any of us had a mom who
really knew what was happening.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I talked to my mom, like, wait, my nieces and
nephews are like doing things, and she was like concerned
about like, oh, they climbed up a little bit on
this thing. And I'm like, I don't understand. Like I was.
I was fifty feet up in a tree and you.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You didn't when to give a shit, You didn't care.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
And she's like, it was a different time. Yeah, exactly,
I'm track with you. Guys, just sitting on our feet
in the car didn't matter. It was a different time.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
When you know better, you do better.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Then they put the little baby to sleep, and this
part I found I like, look, if it wasn't for
all the terrible things that happened in the film, this
would be my most disturbing scene in any normal movie.
How much god damn milk they drink in this scene. Yeah,
it's discuss the full jugg of Like they're just the

(25:46):
two of them are sitting on the floor a jug
of milk between them, two pink glasses and they're just
chugging it. You want some more, and they're like refilling
these giant pine glasses and just downing it.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
It was disgusting the way that we all viewed milk
in the eighties, like drinking it all the time. It
was disgusting. I can't even imagine a world where we
go back to doing.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's like, it's not that it's not falling out of
trees or just riding your bike without a helmet. It's
how much damn milk we drank.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, we did, we did.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
And now we're gonna get a bunch of handwritten protest
letters the American Association of Milk Drinkers. That's a real thing.
That's not I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
My next note is sub Grandpa and his dog. Don't
make a career out of it.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh, out of that pooping. Don't make a career out
of pooping the dog.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah he did because because he.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Liked that our killer is laying in weight and that
he brings his dog out and they see each other
and he like just this, he puts, like his collar up,
look at me. I'm not doing anything suspicious.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
This is normal behavior. And he's watching through the windows
and again the great POV that I love. Oh yeah, yeah,
that Michael Meyer's ship.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah. And then it turns out it's not dick milk.
He drugged the milk. He didn't stick his wiener in it.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
He put them to sleep, which.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You know, it makes more sense for what he's gonna do, right,
it makes more logical sense.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Would have been funnier if he would have just been
digging his drink that bitch, no I'm and then he
just goes in through the back.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, well as they're passing out because Smash cuts his hand.
Very important in details, and he cuts his hand, blood
gets everywhere.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, and crimes happened.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Crimes happened, which this part, I mean, it's kind of
it's interesting the approach because like I obviously don't need
to get into too much detail because it's pretty intense,
but like, yeah, he does this weird thing that took
me forever to figure out what was happening. Is he
takes this like rubber tube and he starts blowing stuff

(28:26):
up their noses. Which what he's doing we've come to
find out is he's blowing cocaine into their nose to
cover the tracks of uh poisoning them or poisoning them,
so they're just they were coked out, you know. But
then like you know, sure that's your plan to make

(28:47):
to overdose them or whatever, but then you're gonna rape them.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Ye's kind of until your kid's an orphan.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh god, because the baby cries maybe orphan And yeah
that's fretty. I mean, like that whole I've seen plenty
of filmed rape scenes in my day, but this one
was on the more painful side to watch.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, it was really graphic but not graphic.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
But not graphic. Yeah, it was just it was very unconalistic. Yeah,
a too too realistic. Yeah yeah, where it just you
did feel dirty and that which was why, Like I'm
not going to refute what that woman said or right
man could have.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Been a demented trash trash but like you know, the
thrusts were very gross.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
The whole thing about it was Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Was it was just super gross. And the other girl
like trying her best, right, Like somehow she's like not
as dosed out as the other one. It didn't like
work as well on her. The other one had the
most of the mill.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
She drank way way too much. Carrie, she's the one
that she gets the rye into the stick throughout the
entire movie.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, is it.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Because she's a blonde?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Is it because she's a mother?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Good question? Good question. Maybe this is a misogynistic film.
Maybe so morning after we see Liz Winter's modeling agent
extraordin Air, adding to her boyfriends Steven's house, and it's
this giant house and we are introduced to his dogs,

(30:39):
his rambunctious dogs who run up and she's kind.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Of disturbed though all she doesn't like the dogs, and
she's also like, I don't know why they didn't show
up for that shoot.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh yes, she does inform us that these girls didn't
show up. I can't believe it. I give them somebody. Yeah,
but then these dogs come out and she's like, get
these dogs away from me. She's so get them away.
They're not don't get me wrong, They're lovely creatures. I
just lock them, keep them locked up exactly, get them
out of there. Can I please point out, I don't

(31:13):
know if you remember Steve's white ensemble that he was
wearing is like bagging rich guy douchebag, like I want
to own it and wear it to the ma all
like it was. That was top notch wardrobe choicing.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, it was good. It was not you know, in
this movie it wouldn't bey and even in the top
ten of sleaziest things. But any other film.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Is outfit would be sezy.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
That guy looks like a ball.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh man. Then we cut to back to the girls,
well to their place, not to them, but to their
place and the landlord. Here's the baby. The next scene
is basically where we made the detective, but the girls
are brought to the hospital and we find out they
are not dead.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yes not the tenant white. Now the detective was in
a cool dude track suit.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Why was he a track suit?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
And I wrote that his convo with the lab is
so unhinged, and then it's love to your family after
being super nice and then having a weird cursing outburst
when he talks to his partner or whatever or the lab.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Before he even talks to the lab, before he even
talks to them, he's he's talking to the receptionist at
the the hospital. It's a word. He talks to her,
and the way he gets her his attention is I'm white,
and she looks up at him. He's like, yeah, that
usually gets the people's attention because.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
He is a black man, black man, he is a
character and a half and.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Like so he has that small conversation with her and
then he like walks off and this this reception is
just like checks his butt out and it's like, oh.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's like, what what kind of movie is it? I
keep getting so confused about what movie I'm watching.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
He talks to Detective Reynolds on the phone. They're looking
at the crime scene, and I don't know why he's
such a dick to Detective Reynolds. He's such a dick,
so rude. And then family, he's like, well, there's a
baby here, and he's like, oh, well, do you want
me to bring the baby in? I don't know, and
he's like, yeah, because you've got diapers in a desk drawer.

(33:36):
What are you gonna do breastfeeding?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Moron?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
It's like what, Like the guy's seriously asking what.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Do we want to do?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Baby? And then after he yells at him, he goes,
I'll see you back at the office. The office, not
the station, like every other procedural film movie office.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
He's my favorite character.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
And so after all this we get Liz Winter's modeling
agent Extraordinair, is informed of what happened, and what does
she do. She runs to the hospital. She rushes to
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
To help her these models she just met.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
She just met, girl. I want an agent like that,
me too.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
This is not real.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
My agent would be like.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
How are we going to replace him?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
That would be the end of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh I liked him, Okay, can you get these submissions
out by three? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
They don't care, which just is like she is a
great agent.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
And so then she is when she's at the hospital,
the news shows up and she's interviewed, she's like she
gets she ca this much that she's like, I'm gonna
blast this out in the station. We're getting to the
bottom of this because these are my girls. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Before before she even gets to the news, we cut
to what I want to do, as are today's on
set speculation? What why is it that when we cut

(35:32):
to certain characters in dozens and dozens of movies, are
they watching cartoons? Why is that the go to? Is
it licensing? What?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Oh my god, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Like we like we're always watching cartoons, Like yeah, yeah,
what does it say about my character he's watching Looney
Tunes or or some licensable cartoon.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
And he's just a cartoon when I was a kid
and getting bullied, you know, Like what.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
And then like so he changes the channel and that's
when he sees her.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, oh, my god, this is what.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Was happening in this scene, Like his choices all.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Over the map, He's drinking all over the map. It's
so great.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Did he have access to this footage?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Because like my favorite line in this whole thing, he's like,
you just don't get it. Somebody's gonna die. They gotta die,
I gotta kill Like we need to stop this mania
before he kills somebody. You don't get it, They got

(36:46):
it die, just like raise it, yamp it up.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Was that like his lowest take?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Oh my god, I can't even imagine what takes didn't work.
So then she says something bad about him, and he
gets so pissed that he throws his beer and breaks
his own fucking TV.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I love that that. It's such a that's another cliche
in film.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Why would you do that? Like, that's the thing that
always makes me the most.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You don't get to watch your cartoons anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You take it away? He bugs Bunny Buddy. Yeah, Yeah,
I'm more upset about him breaking his TV and that.
It's just like, why would you do that? Not why
did you rape those women? It's like that was uncalled for.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
You went out of your way to make you relatable
by watching those same cartoons, I would, yeah, and then
you do something like that, so unhim.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You you almost had me looking at your arc. Maybe
there's more to this guy.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
He's a couple of things I don't really approve of,
and being.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
The actor in that scene, like, yeah, can you imagine
if you got your sides and that was.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Your day and you're like, I'm watching cartoons.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
To create I'm this kind of guy, and then I'm
that kind of guy, and then I'm.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Just kind I like that in this hypothetical, he got
the sites for the for the day, he didn't get
the entire script to read before.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So yeah, he's a super independent film.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
He gets the sides every day and he's like, huh,
what kind of character am I playing here? Wait a minute,
I'm a rapist. I didn't sign on.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I wasn't ready for this. I did an audition where
I took up for the ladies.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh, I need to talk with my agent.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
My audition was mad at the guy for the boner.
And then after this is this really find out that
he has a This.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Is where they yeah, they were like and it's this
big reveal of like he's got a Yeah, we need
to check this lady to make sure she didn't contract AIDS,
so give her the tests. I think that this was
a wonderful choice for the script. And yeah, screenwriting, like
I think, you know, there's again I don't really want

(39:08):
to call it horror, but this is where you shove
things in people's face that makes them uncomfortable. And this
was something that made people very uncomfortable. And especially at
that time, everybody was like, this is a gay thing.
This only happens to gay people. We're fine. And then
you know, he's like, no, it doesn't only happened to

(39:30):
gay people. It's it's a real thing that can affect.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
That lady gave it to me, and now I hate ladies.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, and and so like I you know, I think
from today's perspective, it really falls flat. Yeah, that whole
reveal and all that. But and I don't obviously I
don't know how it was hard to find information on
this film. Yeah, I don't know the response of like
how people did feel about it.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, that would be interesting to know, because like when
I was a kid in the eighties, like my mom
was like, don't use phone anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Don't sit on public toilets, like she was.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Like, if you're gonna use the phone and you put
your quarters in and it comes up the bottom, just
use a new quarter. Don't go in there, because she
said people were putting the needles and the change things.
When you got pricked, you would get AIDS. And I
was like, oh, like we were walking around horrified of
contracting AIDS.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I was so sheltered. I definitely didn't even know about it. Really,
I was extremely Oh was something that was.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Donald's to get in the ball pit? We got checked
the ball pit for needles, you know, like everywhere you
went like your Halloween can.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
At least she said for needles, you got to check
the ball pit for gay people just hit the bottom
of ball pitch. That's not how this works. Yeah, it's
like everybody's just convinced. It's like, no, people who get
AIDS are gonna try to give it to everyone, and
everybody like.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I'm mad, what that's a That's the thing. This film
did not support the stereotype that it was gay, but
they do support the stereotype.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Spread with me. I gotta spread the love. I gotta
share it with every Once you get it, you gotta
share it.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I gotta share this feeling of anxiety and loving death.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Knowing that, yeah, death is going to just surround the corner.
Everyone should feel that death is around the corner.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Now, you know. Now, Okay, So like, for example, this
is horrible and I'm not going to say names, but
I had a friend who you know, it was one
of her one of his mutual friends. Came to a
dinner party I was at and she told us that
she had just ran in a Marason for AIDS and

(41:47):
we were like, oh my gosh, that's so great, and
she used his name and said yeah. On the final lap,
I just saw his face and it pushed me to
go further because if he can carry what he's carrying,
I can do this room. And then we're also there,
like we've all known him for a while and none
of us knew that he had AIDS and you just
told us he has aides, Like, why would you do that?

(42:10):
That's not yours to say.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I thought that was common knowledge. They shared that in confidence.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh god, yeah. And this was like in the early
two thousands. So like now it's like, you know, I
know several people who have HIV now and it's undetectable,
and they just take their medicine and it's totally fine.
But I think when we were like college age, people
still just if it happened, they didn't feel comfortable telling people,

(42:39):
right right.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, yeah, I just like, That's what I'm interested in
is how people felt at the time, because that's what
horror should do, is they should It should make you
feel uncomfortable. It should push things in your face that
you don't want.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh po fear around it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah. So, like I applauded for trying exactly, I'm not
sure it was entirely successful, but I appreciate the effort.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, totally. He's got another victim on the beach.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Well, yeah, I want to talk about I want to
talk about how this goes down. Yeah, because he goes
to a bar on the prowl and I don't, first
of all, could guy, I'm so pissed off about this
whole thing. Because he's at the bar and he orders
He's like, wait, what's that girl drinking? Oh, she's drinking

(43:35):
of my tie. Yeah, go, I'll buy her a drink.
Now her drink is delivered by the waitress. How's going
on with this waitress?

Speaker 3 (43:48):
How do you?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
How does he slip drugs? Into that drink.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, he gets.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
He slips drugs into her drink. If you are a
waitress tech like like that's.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
One O one, Yeah, you protect the b So that part.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Like just it totally pissed me off. He was able
to And not only that, but like he places the
order for her and then assaults her. Yeah, like you
did that in public, you just risk your anonymity. This
was a real you.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Know, this is a real dumb rare stupid and you're
already like they're on the news looking for you, right,
but you know, he doesn't know that Grandpa's on but.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
That doesn't come till later. He does know that there
was a guy, but he thinks that he got away
with Yeah, the grandpa seeing him in the first one.
But I just like that whole first woman, that whole
sneaking the drugs and the mind tai with the waitress.
She's now culpable. Yeah, she it's now it's she's involved.

(44:57):
She is a part of this conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I yeah, I cocktail for many, many years and it
went from the Drake station boom to the hands.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
There's there's no excuse why you're even remotely trying to
convince me that he was able to do that, Yeah,
just I don't buy it anyways. Anyways, definitely just made
me so grumpy. I was like, there's no way it
was delivered by the waitress.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I'm gonna get pissed about one thing in this film.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, it's one.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Thing, waitress etiquette.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I just yeah, and then we go because we're trying
to figure out oh before.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
She does yeah, yeah, he does raper on the beach
and it's her going and then it cuts to a
screaming pig. Was like, like, how disrespectful to this woman? Yeah,
so there were some little choices like that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You might be able to throw in that the film
would be misogynistic and not just its killer.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, because that was it.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
That was a definite choice you made. Unless you're trying
to say that that's the psyche of our killer, because
he does later in the film, he does call her
a pig and she's an animal, and like she does
what he does as a character refer to them in
that way.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, his especially assaults are very weird. So the pig
we see is out of vet clinic. They're talking with
a vent and then she says that she accidentally injected herself.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yes, she knows how the drugs works because I accidentally
did it, and we actually get to see them tranquilize
a monkey.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, which is upset.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I don't know how I felt about that.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, it was so weird.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like, I know, you probably just filmed an operation that
you had to do and it was just footage that
you had to get, so you like bought footage.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
But like it just was like, oh, she was an
upsetting lady.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I just was.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I had so many questions for her, like how do
you accidentally inject yourself? Oh? Come here? Oh you don't.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
And then after this we we this whole thing. We
get back to the killer and his coworker, where his
coworker reappears, and this is after they got off their job.
And for some reason, this moving company has a locker room.
They take showers.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, so weird.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well you did a day of moving, good time, guys
go to showers.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah so weird. Yeah, And he goes through his locker
because I get he's saying for a lighter for his cigarette, right,
is that what he is?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Something like that? And then he finds the photo and
then he's caught. He is caught, but he says a
wonderful line in here. This this co worker he if
I wish he was in the film more because he
had zingers. Yeah, he set a line where he was like,
you got to come to this party with me. It's

(48:07):
like a donkey barbecue. There's a piece of ass for everybody.
What what a character like? He just the things he
says are just bananas.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
So bananas, and but he played it off really good.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
You don't do it. I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, when people are acting like they're acting in movies,
it's always just like Jesus Christ. But he really did it.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
He delivered those lines like a real obnoxious guy who
just is like, hey, I'm witty.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
So our dare all alone. And our killer did catch him,
but he doesn't do anything because, as it turns out,
he has other plans. Yes, this idiot killer tries to
attack Liz Winter's modeling agent E Straw.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
There, this is a mistake.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
The nerve of this guy. I have to and he's
he makes it. She gets home and he's hiding in
the closet and he's watching good POV shots. There's a
wonderful shot in here where she gives herself a bath.
I don't know if it's a bubble bath, but we
don't get anything, so it's probably a bubble bath.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And there's a wonderful shot where she climbs in the
tub and the faucet. It's like behind the whole tub
and there's the faucet and it like frames her face.
The faucet is framing her face, and then it racks
focus to the faucet and it's slowly dripping. And this
is after building tension with like we know he's there,

(49:47):
we're wasting time. She's in the tub, completely exposed, just
ready to be murdered.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
And is it She thinks it's her boyfriend at first.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Always you always think it's your boyfriend. Yeah, here's a noise, Steven,
is that you?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah? And she gets immediately.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Gets out of the top. If it's your boyfriend, are
you gonna get out of the top? Hell no, hell no, no.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I just got in here.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I feel good.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
See you in an hour at least.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I got this whole section set up.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Calvi on Calvin take me Away.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
And so she gets out of it immediately, and the
killer decides, now's my move. And there's a weird, interesting
bit of ad R. I don't know if you caught it.
He like goes to grab her throat and he says,
I am a sick animal and you're a dead lady. Yes,
And it's so flatly delivered. It's yeah, it's so there's

(50:46):
no emotion in it. It's says this dead, I'm a
sick animal and you're a dead lady, which kind of
I mean, it wasn't If it wasn't so obviously a R,
it would be more chilling.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, I think, yeah, of course, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Liz Winters, girl, don't go down like that.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
No, she ain't.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
No, she growing shots. I love. I love the growing
shots and then tasers him immediately going shot to taser
like no, girl, I don't remember where she had her taser,
but it was like, nope, cru shot, taser, you're out, gotcha.
It's a it's it's traditionally called a nut tap in

(51:32):
a zapp. I believe.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
We find out now that Grandpa might save the day. Yes,
he comes forward. Don't don't know if this helps, but
I saw this. It was a little strange.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And of course Steve and the boyfriend does show up
and killer vanishes like they do. Our chiller is not
done with his night.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Oh, he goes to his friend.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Huh yeah, so his friend is coworker friend. Yeah, definitely
not a friend, he's coworker. He like exits a cab
making out with a blonde. They're just heavy bedding. Yeah,
and we you know, we assume that he picked her
up at the Darkey barbecue, but then he totally like

(52:19):
implies she's a hooker. He's like, how much it's gonna charge, which, like,
I'm completely brought out of the story because I was
told prostitutes don't kiss. Yeah, and it was They've always
told me every time they said.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
No, And I'm like, you're like, it's my graduation.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
And then she does think the most bizarre thing that
you can't help but be drawn out of it. There
she pulls out whiskey and they're making out and she
starts drinking and then she starts pouring it on top
of him.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's just wasting whiskey.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He's like, oh, kinky what, No, there is not. That's
not a kinky thing. You don't just put Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna put like Bacardi whatever. Yeah, there's fifty one whatever.
I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm a waste.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
You immediately go, oh, well he's gonna be lit on fire. Yeah,
because she's put whisky on him. And you're like, okay,
well why and then she goes, I gotta go poop
or somebody whatever in the in the poopers the killer
and he's like thanks, I'll give you a fifty bucks
or whatever. Yeah. You're like, no, she's gonna die too. Yeah.

(53:36):
And then he lights are on fire and this your
lights is coworker on fire. Yeah, and that silly little woman.
It's like, huh, I didn't expect this to happen. It's
like just so taken aback about the situation.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
It's like, I thought, poor liquor over him?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
What about this setup makes you think it's a box
gonna be a nice thing. I just want to like
play a little prankum up, buddy. Yeah, Yeah, we're getting
poor whiskey on and mumbo lick it off. He's gonna
think it's a hilarious.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It is so good.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, so fucked up.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
No, Seoey murders his killworker and the guest prostitute.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Now Liz Winter's modeling aged Tics brings them to Stevens.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, with everything that is going on who is your boyfriend?
That says these two rape victim and an attempted rape
victim and you an attempted rape possible murder victim. Yeah,
the three of you just stay here alone. I gotta
go do some work stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Look, I got a big deal that I gotta I
gotta close. I gotta close this deal.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Break up with this loser.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
He's got a nice place. Yeah, and what I love
is just like to go there and immediately what what
is like her demand put them in the garage so
the killer has easy access. Yeah, I feel like it
really hurts the Liz Winter's character. I think it hurts
her character because she hates dogs.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah, yeah, why does she?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And you don't give me a reason.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You just get a tax as a child.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Just do something, do a little bit of leg work
to tell me there's a reason that she has trauma
with dogs, not just I just don't dodge. I just
don't like them.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Why would you go anywhere alone? And then you're in
the elevator with the weirdest guy ever? The agent leaves them.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
She does she goes to the store, because she goes
to the store. She goes to the store. We don't
have any cheese. I'm just saying cheese.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
But what is wrong with you right now?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
He needed to give me a better Like, guys, we're
all out of tampons, and all.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Three of us, there's just no explanation.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I just like lemonade and vodka together, but we don't
have lemonade. Would just have vodka.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
It's worth it. I need to just go to the store.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I just I just need to go. Leave you too alone.
Wait a minute. One of them is passing out because
she took the doctor prescribed her drugs but not the
other one. Yeah, okay, so this one casses out on
the couch and of course in the parking lot of
the garage Les Winters.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, and he just calls her a bitch and a
very strange cadence.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
But it's like bitch, but.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, bitch.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah it was. It was the weirdest thing, so weird
that I had to make it up, Like why did
he use that cadence?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It's he hit it really southern?

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Oh did he?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
He was like, man, what this moment? I have to
show that Southerners are all racist? Like yeah, I have
to really hit it home.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
It's like, okay, good job, good thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, I'm sure they I'm sure everybody appreciates that.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
And then he calls her dog meat, possibly more foreshadowing.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Possibly, so he takes her back, and Steven of course
tries to get a hold of her, can't get a
hold of her. He's on his like his bad ass
car phone.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, and so his his truck. Though this is where
the turquoise is because they said that this tise, and
I wrote it's actually more baby blue, like if we're
if we're going, and they're.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Staring at it his whole time, and it's a baby
blue yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And and the other thing that I put that's in
the notes is are not aware of their surroundings at all.
She's not the two girls at home or not, Like,
can you imagine going through what they've gone through? And
then just be like I'm gonna make.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Some teas Okay, Yeah, yeah you went through did you
believe the worst trauma you one of the worst dramas
you could go through? Yeah, and you're just it's not
going to affect you on a level to work.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Just paranoia and gulfs no heightened sentences, no heightened senses,
just like you know why.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
It would be real good right now, peppermint tea.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, And then someone said, I'm sorry, it's so stupid
that they don't want to be alone. It's stupid that
you don't have someone there.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Actually who said it was stupid they don't want to
be alone? I think it was God. I wish the brunette.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah yeah, one of them says, I'm sorry, it's so
stupid because they don't want to be alone. It's stupid
that you don't have someone there. It's stupid to say,
up right. And then she gets in the shower and
she has the widest butt I have ever seen in
my entire life. That is such a white butty girl.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
That ain't nothing wrong with a why butt?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah, but it was like electrifying the night it was glowing. Now,
that was the first time I realized why we call
it and mooning somebody because that shit was shining. Right.
So he kidnaps her.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
He goes back and he goes through his stupid ritual.
Why are you going through your ritual? There's you know,
that ritual that he had had worked for him for
so long because it covered his tracks. It was, you know,
your these party girls who overdosed did all these.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Things he's still blowing blow up their noses. Why is
he doing a drink will? Why is he forcing them
to drink ticket? These women have gone through the process.
There's you're not fooling anybody. Yeah, police are already going
to be like, no, they already have their guy trying
to finish this thing. Yeah, this doesn't there's no need
to make them go through the ritual.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
The thing is is he has OCD probably and he
has to go through the steps.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
It's just sloppy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
He's kind of thrown it all away at this point,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Exactly, which is where I lose respect for him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, you've already blown put your friend on fire, killed
a prostit who like left your DNA at the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
But right here you just wasted time and I can't
respect that. And of course, once again his process is
interrupted by a crying baby. So what's his what's his
big plan to try to convince the police that the
baby's are cocain? Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna go cocaine

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to the baby. What that was? Why didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And for me, like he cut the phone lines? Why
did no one call the police ever?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Well, well, they couldn't have no that. I don't think
they did, because didn't the phone ring and they couldn't
answer it because.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He was there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yes, but before that, they didn't notify the police where
they were. Hey, we're gonna be saying at this girl's
place just in case something happens, can you check on
because they thought.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
It was so sneaky that newbody could follow about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, I mean it's just so idiotic, Like the goes
back to them acting like nothing happened, like just making
tea and it's like a sleepover and the boyfriend can leave,
and it's like let the police know, like that is
your saving grace.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
This is we're gonna not only are we not going
to let the police know, we're going to go to
this producer's house who is up in like Malibu or
something like in this remote.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Run errands like idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
As he decides, you know, let's go, I'm gonna coke
the baby out. Yeah, he like starts walking off to
leave these three women alone alone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
He ranted, dere on twin twinquo lies twanquelo.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
They want the twyqualizes so they don't have a lot.
But Liz girl is like unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, she's a superhero.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
She's the superhero. She is our hero of this story.
She runs grabs the garage door opener boop. He tries
to let the dog. But do we have to pay
for that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Oh? I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Generically, who let those dogs out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah? Hypothetically, who's the cat that did that? And these
dogs do not play no throat? They go straight for
the throat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Wait we get the dog meet payoff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, Shadow do the job. But because Stephen was like
on his stuff and he's like, hey, they're at my place,
but ba, but cops show up. This guy runs out
of the place.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
And perfect shot, perfect shot, but not only.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
A perfect shot. He's running away on Steven's personal tennis court.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
What's Lieutenant White?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Lieutenant White. He doesn't get a lot of these one liners.
He shoots him. Our guy falls dead on top of
the net and it goes to him and what does
he say? Double fault, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
He's so cool, he's so cool, he's so freaking cool.
And he went on to do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
And then at the end of the film, we go through, uh,
this guy's personal polaroids of his victims and we see
how prolific killer rapist he was, and we find out
what's her name is a crissy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Hold on, I'm just a cat, the kitty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
This is the part we find out that Carrie does
not have AIDS.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Right, She's she's not testing. They're going to test her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
They're gonna cry test her because they don't really know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
And this is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
There's this weird exposition. This like guy's explaining everything and
it's just like, well, we don't really know a lot
about this stuff. You know, there's a lot of problems
in here and there, and he's just explaining AIDS to
us through the lens of nineteen eighty nine, and uh,

(01:04:41):
it's like weird. It kind of makes you go, oh,
is this an AIDS awareness thing? What? What was the
what was the goal?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Which is this film?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it goes back to what you were kind of
talking about that It was like he was it could
have actually been cool for them to kind of touch
on the stereotypes of this and that is something that
was going on in that time is we were always
talking about how we don't really know what's going on
with this, right. It was almost like it could be spit,

(01:05:11):
it could be blood, right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
That's what's always like scary about these things? And of
course we dealt with things for years, the last several
years of Just Parent Yeah, yeah, of just we don't
understand any of this. No, yeah, you know it was
it was interesting to have that like tail end of
this doctor explaining everything and then it was like, wait,

(01:05:35):
what what was it? Yeah, why are we explaining this?
It's the movies over now. As a maybe they felt
like they didn't fully get across what they were trying
to get across in the film and they had to
like tail it with something. Yeah, but I do want
to say I do want to say Steven the producer Boyfriends,

(01:05:56):
his phone number is five five five four two two one.
I want to keep a phone book of all the
numbers that we come acrom as long as.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
The five that was the go to. I mean it
kind of still is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
It still is. Here's a remake, reboot, reimagining, remaster, sequel.
I'm gonna go first today because I'm in a mood.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yeah, gimme it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
After reading all the reviews of uh, the misogyny of
the film of Just Like, because to me, I didn't
really I didn't feel like the film was it was
obvious that the the killer was because he blames women
for giving him AIDS. And for that reason, I say,
reimagine because I want our killer to be so pro

(01:06:56):
women that he kills women for not being pro woman
and enough. Yeah, he's like, wait a minute, wait, wait
at you cooked a meal for a man and did
his laundry. You're not pro woman, You're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
That's not feminism.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Watch Magic Mike Excel in the theater, Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
You were a push up ra Dad, not feminism.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, like the only other thing that
I would want to see is Kate McKinnon playing the
rapist and with a strap on raping men. Okay, you
go raping frat men, raping construction workers that cat call

(01:07:42):
and treat women shitty, Like I want to see her.
I had a frat boy in college do something bad
to me, and now I've been raping frat boys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Everywhere, kind of a revenge amatic type of a thing.
But yeah, not necessarily against the specific people that perpetrated it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Just cor Yeah, and I needed to be Kate mccannon
and she's like, I'm a lesbian. This hurts me more
than it hurts you, you don't. I hate your body much.
I hate looking at your balls, hate your body. It's gross.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Do you have any idea how hairy you are?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
You are a rank tangle with things coming out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
And who would your movie mvpb oh the detective Clarence
william the third.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
White, Detective White, is that his name? Lieutenant Lieutenant White?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Lieutenant White. I one hundred percent agree with you. He
just brought a swagger to the film that was so needed.
It really was a different energy, absolutely such a different
energy that when he was on screen, You're like, okay.
Even when he was a total ass to Detective Reynolds,

(01:08:58):
it was like, I don't know why you're doing that.
I don't understand why you're doing it, But you know what,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
After he's done, he says, loved to your family.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It's just I liked him a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
He was pretty enjoyable. My honorable mention is Sally Hankinson,
who led the costuming department. Because I want I want
Lineman Ward's outfit. Yes, he looked. I want to cruise
the mall girl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yes, walk into a party and see that guy in
the corner and You're like, I need to go talk
to him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
This is the person I need to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
He has things to say that I want to hear.
All right, Well, I think that brings us to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Nostalgia the Week, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
This week's special guest for Nostalgia of the Week is
self defense step aerobics expert Candace Brewer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Hello, Candas Brewer, here to drop bombs on you. And
I'm not talking about that hits song by the Gap
band Great Jam though. I'm talking about self defense step
aerobic exercise. It just might save your life and lift
up that fanny. And if you're in England, it'll lift
that too. Now, I'm gonna teach you three simple steps

(01:10:31):
that are gonna be what keeps you from being a
perfect victim and turns you into some rapists worst nightmare.
There's nothing in this world that I like talking about
more than punching rapists in the dick. Okay, here's our
first move. It's an uppercut. It's disguised as a step,

(01:10:55):
but somebody comes to the front to approach you him
right in the jaw. Right here, You've knocked his teeth
up into his throat so hard. Okay, number two, we
got a second move I'm gonna give you here. You
think this right here is just a fun aerobics move.
Imagine a face coming up behind you trying to put

(01:11:17):
his dirty dick in your butt. Not again. That ain't
happening to me again, because let me tell you something.
Nineteen eighty two, I was a victim. That's why I'm
doing this, okay, so that you don't have to go
through what I went through. I got tough, so you
don't have to. Well, you do have to get tough,
but like I went through the process, so you don't

(01:11:39):
have to. Third and most important move. He's coming at you.
He's got a bone or the size of Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
What are you going to do? I'll tell you what
you're gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
These headphones is bothering? Take you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I hope you can see my knee when I do this.
That's right in his dick right and his growing Now,
I'll tell you if you disable a man's growing area,
he can't focus on nothing else. He's thinking about how
am I gonna spread this seed? If it's done?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Broke? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Now you can get this VHS for seven ninety nine
for this limited time only through this special program. You
know what, take me into your home so a rapist
ain't taking you into theirs. Back to you, you know,
and we're gonna do a special thanks to our fellow producer, editor,

(01:12:37):
woman behind the scenes powerhouse to g Money, Genevieve Marie.
She's a photographer extraordinaiir cheers to you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Chahloo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Is that still throw co throat coat with a throat goat?

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Oh damn did you just come up with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I've been saying that for a long time about throws.
I'm disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I don't know why so many people hate you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I know, it's so weird. I'm so charming. I'm not
nerving to be around at all.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
That does it for us this week. Thank you for listening.
You have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Have a good trucks mother truckers.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Oh what do we got going in here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
My genee three