Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984): A Rollercoaster Ride or a Bridge Too Far?

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Back to the framerate.
I'm Nathan Shure and accompanying me arethe extraordinary movie mavens, Brianna
Butterworth, Sam Cole, and joining usas our special guest today is film and
television producer, Anthony Ambrosino.
Anthony Ambrosino is a Rhode Islandbased producer and director of film,
television, and commercial projects.
His films have premiered at some ofthe industry's top festivals, including

(01:57):
the Toronto Film Festival and the LosAngeles Film Festival, among all Others
in have garnered several awards whilereceiving worldwide distribution, both
theatrically and through companiessuch as IFC Showtime Networks and HBO.
Welcome to the podcast.

Anthony (02:14):
for having me.
And thank you for battlingthrough that long bio.

Nathan (02:19):
Yeah.
Andy, you sent me like thishuge thing, like I was like,
nobody's ever done this before.
And I guess I'll just read all this.
No, that's really great.
I know I'm really happy thatyou're joining us today, Anthony.
I, we have known each other going back, Ithink to like 2008 and we've been friends
a long time and I'm just really happythat you're joining us and I've respected

(02:42):
you for a long time in this industry.
You've done so much, really do look up toyou as you've done so many projects that
I Just want to say that right off the top.
So

Anthony (02:51):
I appreciate that.
I think very highly of youand your work as well, sir.

Sam (02:56):
So I just wanted to say and the reason we're all here is we're here
to discuss the 1993 film judgmentnight, starring Emilio Estevez.
And it's a thrill to be here.
I've always wanted to talkabout this sleeper action hit.
Dennis Leary is a great villain.
So this is going to be agreat conversation guys.

Bee (03:12):
And later in the night, Hoopa Stank will be joining us.

Sam (03:15):
I just

Anthony (03:16):
lost all your listeners.

Nathan (03:17):
But I'm impressed with everyone's ability to book
all this talent without me.
So
anyways, talent in quotes anyways, soI, you know what I haven't done this
week is it's been a very busy week.
I don't have any creative questionfor our co hosts or guests this week.

(03:38):
No, because it's been a busy week.
It's been a week, it's been a week andI'm not gonna get into it, but we're gonna
get right into our discussion and a reviewof Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
But before we do that, I just, Iwant to just, Anthony's here for
a reason because we're, I think ofsimilar vintages, I'll just say.
And I just knew.

(03:58):
That this was going to be a filmthat I think we have probably
had a very similar experience.
Cause I, cause we probably grewup with this movie and I had, and
I have a feeling that you havea lot to say about this as do I.
But I want to know, just Anthony, tellus a little bit about yourself and Who
you are, what you do, and maybe a littlebit about your relationship to this movie

(04:19):
before, without really giving too muchaway about your review of this, but.
Sure, I just asked threequestions in once there.

Anthony (04:28):
I'll do my best.
You gave me like a bio,Anthony Biolength question.
Child of the 80s I love theclassics as I know you do as well.
I.
Like all genres of film so obscureFrench films to 90s rom coms.
I don't care.
I like them all.
There's something to befound in every niche.

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My relationship to Templeof Doom is it was the first
Indie film I saw in a theater.
My uncle took me.

Nathan (04:58):
You've already spoiled one of the questions.

Anthony (05:02):
I have a special place in my heart for Temple of Doom.

Trailer (05:07):
Okay.

Anthony (05:08):
I'll save the rest of it.
I have a lot.
I have a fire hose ofinformation I want to

Sam (05:12):
Okay.
I did not know that was thefirst one you saw in the theater.
That's pretty epic.

Nathan (05:16):
Yeah.
Anthony, you've already answeredmy, cause I, what I have is a
segment here called four questions,which I ask all of our guests here.
And it's just so that the audience canget a little familiar with who you are.
You've already answeredthe first question.
No,

Anthony (05:30):
it's not the first film I saw in a theater.
It's the first Indiana Jonesfilm I saw in a theater.

Nathan (05:34):
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
I misunderstood.
Let me ask you then, cause I wantto get to our four questions here.
This is the first movie youremember seeing in the theater.

Anthony (05:45):
I believe it was E.
T.
two years prior to this.
And I have vague memoriesof being terrified.
And probably a lot more memories ofhiding in the seat or in my mother's lap.
Then the movie itself, so maybeit's probably 50 50 but I saw E.
T., it was wonderful and terrifying.

Nathan (06:08):
Yeah it's scary.
It is, yeah.
Yeah.
Incredible stuff,

Anthony (06:13):
man.

Nathan (06:14):
Yeah.

Anthony (06:14):
And I didn't realize how scary it was until I showed it to my

Sam (06:18):
kids.
Yes.
That movie's incredible.
It's my second, my favoritefilm Is Jaws, but E.
T.
Is number two.
They're like, they're both in thesame place, but they oscillate.
I just, E.
T.
is incredible film.

Nathan (06:29):
Anthony, what's it, what's the last movie that you watched?

Sam (06:38):
Paycheck?
I'm doing my homework on this question.

Anthony (06:42):
Paycheck?
I

Nathan (06:43):
can't believe you watched.

Anthony (06:44):
I

Nathan (06:44):
hope it is.

Anthony (06:46):
Oh, does Temple of Doom count?

Nathan (06:48):
I'd like to say besides Temple of Do, but you guess you could say that, but

Sam (06:53):
that was the last movie I watched as well,
. Anthony: Yeah.
I thought that was,given, sorry, yesterday.
Yeah.
Geez, I think it was Inside Out two.
Okay.

Outro (07:04):
What'd you think it was?
It was good.
Yeah.
Not as good

Bee (07:10):
as the first one, but it was fine.

Nathan (07:11):
Yeah.
I liked it.

Bee (07:13):
Yeah.

Nathan (07:13):
It did its thing alright.

Sam (07:16):
If I see Inside Out 2 on streaming instead of theatrically, am
I missing a grand experience, or willit perform just fine on streaming?

Nathan (07:26):
It seems okay.
It's fine.
I took my kids.
I had to

Sam (07:29):
see it theatrically with the kids, that makes sense.
That's cool, though.
It's a huge, it was a huge hit.
Yeah.

Nathan (07:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, I took my kidsand my family to see it.
They're all into their emotions.
My oldest daughter verymuch relates to anxiety, so
What is your Favorite movie if hehad to say something right now today,
and I know that's a hard question

Anthony (07:53):
No, it's E.
T.
Okay, and I have a guilty pleasurefavorite movie that we have seen the
most in my life is better off dead.

Trailer (08:02):
Oh, okay.

Anthony (08:03):
Nice.
So I've seen that hundreds of times.
It's my guilty pleasurefavorite movie, but E.
T.
is like my gun to my head.

Nathan (08:12):
So I have not seen Better Off Dead, but a couple of weeks ago
we watched on the show what's thedirector's name that did his follow up?

Anthony (08:22):
One Crazy Summer.
Yes, we watched One Crazy Summer,

Nathan (08:26):
his follow up.
That was pretty fun.
What'd you think of that?
If you haven't seen it.

Anthony (08:29):
I love it, but Better Off Dead is a notch above, there's so
much in common between the two,different characters, same tone, same
everything, but yeah, both are good.
A crazy plot parallels between OneCrazy Summer and Summer Rental.
The John Candy classic.

Bee (08:48):
I've heard that.
Yeah.

Anthony (08:49):
Yeah, they're both very, that'd be a great double feature.

Nathan (08:53):
Alright, cool.
Very cool.
Anthony, what is a movie that youcredit for turning you into a cinephile?

Anthony (09:00):
Um, I would say more so than a cinephile, but that
made me want to make movies.
Would be Pulp Fiction.
I saw Pulp Fiction sixtimes in the theater.
It revolutionized theway I looked at movies.
I started looking into, I started thinkingmore about directors when that came out.

(09:21):
And it's the movie that broughtme into the movie world.
It being more than just somethingto do on a Friday or Saturday night.
It became
its own Slice of life.
So

Nathan (09:33):
yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Great answers.
Great answers.
Okay.
All right.
So thank you.
All right.
So let's get into ourdiscussion of Indiana Jones.
I have a plot synopsis here.
Intrepid archeologist.
Indiana Jones on the trail of fortuneand glory in old Shanghai is ricocheted

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into a dangerous adventure in Indiawith his faithful companion, short round
and nightclub singer, Willie Scott.
Indy goes in search of the magicalSankara stone and uncovers an
ancient evil, which threatens allwho come into contact with it.
And if for our people who can watch ourpodcast and he has his Sankara Stone.

(10:22):
Thank you.
Great prop there.
And I'll just play alittle bit of the trailer.

Anthony (10:33):
If adventure has a name, it must be Indiana Jones.
Dr.
Jones found Noachi for me, andhe's going to deliver him now.

Outro (10:46):
Say,

Bumper (10:46):
who is this?
Put the gun away, Sonny.
You're in for it!
It shocks me.
I'm

Trailer (10:56):
a scientist.
And what sort of research would you do on

Bumper (11:03):
me?
Nocturnal activities.
What position would I like to sleep in?
Mating customs.

Outro (11:18):
So you're an authority in that area?
Alright,

Nathan (11:26):
little clip from the trailer.
And Sam, you got some movie facts for us?

Sam (11:32):
Indeed I do, Nathan.
Indeed I do.
So let's see.
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
I think at one point it was called Templeof Death and they actually changed that.
It's a 1984 American action adventurefilm directed by Steven Spielberg from
a script by Willard, excuse me WillardYuck and Gloria Katz, who actually

(11:53):
worked with Lucas on American Graffiti.
The original screenwriter, LawrenceKasdan, actually turned this film down.
And I don't know the story behind that.
Maybe he found the material toodark or it wasn't interested
or it was a scheduled thing.
Yes, yeah.
All

Nathan (12:08):
of the

Sam (12:10):
above Douglas Lacombe is returning as a cinematographer edited,
of course, by Spielberg's multipletimes collaborator, Michael Kahn.
Music by John Williams.
And I must say personally, Ilove his score in this movie.
This came out on May 23rd,1984 in the United States.
Its budget was 28 million,just over 28 million, and it

(12:32):
grossed 333 million worldwide.
So definitely a success.
This actually Lucas did not want to dealwith Nazis again in the second story, and
so it was his idea to make this a prequelto Raiders of the Lost Ark rather than a
sequel, so this takes place a year beforethe events in Raiders and let's see now.

(12:55):
PG 13 was created after this movie.
If you can believe it, this moviewas rated PG, which is hilarious
to me because this movie isa hard PG 13 in modern times.
Like hard PG 13.
And so speaking of that, since

Nathan (13:09):
you brought that up anyone here know what the first PG 13 movie was?

Bee (13:16):
I did this morning and I've already forgotten it.
Okay.
What is it, Anthony?

Sam (13:21):
Sam?
I do not know off thetop of my head, actually.

Anthony (13:26):
The Patrick Swayze film, Red Dawn?
No way.

Nathan (13:32):
Yeah.

Sam (13:35):
That is a entertaining, slightly bizarre film.
It's it's like that movie islike a right wingers dream.
It's like guns fighting Russiansin the mountains and like we're out
in our own building fires anyway.
Yeah.
Off topic.
But so to wrap it up.
Yeah.
So Lawrence Kasdan was out this time.
PG 13 was created because of themovie, we just discussed that.

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And actually, one thing I foundinteresting was in the editing process
Spielberg, when they watched theoriginal cut, they thought it was
too fast and too short, so Spielbergwent and added three minutes in to
slow the picture down a little bit.
Which I will definitelydiscuss in my review, because
I love the breakneck editing.
Speed of this movie,just the way it moves.

(14:18):
I love it.
But and yeah, any other facts?
That's the gist of what I got.
I could keep breaking.
I think it's also

Nathan (14:23):
worth mentioning that in the middle of this filming, Harrison Ford got
really, he injured his back and a lot ofthis movie is shot with a stunt double.

Trailer (14:32):
And

Nathan (14:33):
I think it's, I think it's really noticeable and how, and I
think it really threw off the shootingschedule for this and that it feels
like more chaotic because of that.

Sam (14:44):
He was out for I think three to six weeks had this controversial,
new style operation performed on thelike, herniated discs in the act.
Papaya

Trailer (14:52):
enzymes!

Sam (14:53):
Yeah, papaya enzymes.
The stunt guy, Vic Armstrong, It,he, they were gone, he was gone
for about I think three plus weeks,And it was in the third act scene.
Where he's fighting the bad guy on theconveyor belt that goes into the wheel.
Most of it's done in wide shots.
In fact, when Kate Capshaw hands Indy,she's like, Here, hit him with this.

(15:14):
That's totally the stuntman.
It's wide.
You can't see his face.
And they went back, they got Insertsof Harrison Ford, but the most glaring
part that I'll mention really quicklyis when Indy is first imprisoned with
Kee Hee Kwan and they're like in thatkind of like human cage like floating
up in the thing when Short round runsup to give Indy a hug It's like an

(15:36):
over the shoulder shot and you cansee the guy the back of his head and
neck It is not Harrison Ford at all.
And once you see it, you can't unsee it.
It does not hurt the scene, but I'mjust like, Nope, that is not him.

Nathan (15:46):
Yeah.

Anthony (15:47):
Yep.

Sam (15:48):
Speaking

Anthony (15:49):
of that duo, if you had told me that in the year 2024 to put money on
which one of them would have an Academyaward, my money would not have been

Trailer (15:59):
short

Sam (15:59):
round.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
This is in Kiki Kwan and his future didin this feature debut, his first film.
Temple of Doom, which I love.
His intro's incredible, by the way.
When he just shows up in the car,like, when I was a kid, I just,
I was like, he was the coolest.
I like, looked up to him, I was like,Wow, he's going on an adventure with Dr.

(16:21):
Jones.
This is awesome.
I

Bee (16:22):
was just finally excited that my small boy prophecy was right.

Anthony (16:29):
Oh, yeah.
What's the small boy prophecy?

Bee (16:31):
Anthony, I had made a list last week because not only have I never
seen the Indiana Jones movies, Imanaged to go my entire life with zero
spoilers to the Indiana Jones movies.
So I wrote a small list of what Ithought were in them and I was convinced.
I was like, I swore this,there was some like karate kid,
small child, protégé situation.
And I was like dumbfounded inRaiders when there was no children.

(16:54):
I felt a little Specifically,

Nathan (16:55):
this franchise included whips and small boys, I remember.

Bee (16:58):
Yeah, it did.
Yeah.
That came up.
Yeah.
And it does!

Nathan (17:04):
And a

Bee (17:04):
funky hat.

Sam (17:07):
I also forgot to mention briefly, and Spielberg has said in many
interviews that this is his, of his, Ithink, just referring to the original
trilogy, his least favorite of hisown indie films that he directed.
And, uh, it's interesting thathe had a comment in terms of
the tone and the darkness.
And both he and Lucas, we're goingthrough either marital or relationship

(17:30):
problems at the time, breakups.
And it's just to quote Spielberg talkingabout the tone of temple of doom.
He's we went too far.
We out poltered poltergeist,which I love that.
I love that.
I love that quote.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They were

Nathan (17:42):
in very dark places.

Anthony (17:44):
Did he say that it was his least favorite of the original trilogy?
Wait, did he say this previous?
Post 2009 or

Sam (17:53):
pre previous 2009.
I think he said it after, but hedoesn't really talk about Crystal Skull.
Cause maybe he's yeah

Anthony (17:59):
curious.

Nathan (18:00):
I just want to throw in a few things about some of
the awards and box office here.
So this came out on May23rd, 1984, went wide.
Then debuted at number one in thebox office made 25 million that week.
Number two, that weekwas the natural made 6.
9 million in his third week of release.

(18:20):
Number three was breaking.
Remember break in number 4.
1 million in his fourthweek of release number four.
And I think this is pretty, thisis cool because the movie that
this movie is actually really a ripoff of Raiders of the lost dark.
And this is romancing.
The stone was number four thatweek in its ninth week of release.

(18:42):
Formerly I love romancing

Sam (18:44):
the stone as well.
That movie's awesome.

Nathan (18:47):
Number five this week was 16 candles.
2.
9 million.
Number six was Police Academy, 2.
8 million.
Number seven was Firestarter, 2.
4 million.
Number eight was Splash inhis 12th week of release, 2.
1 million.
Number nine was Footloose inhis 15th week of release, 1.

(19:08):
9

Trailer (19:08):
million.

Nathan (19:09):
I know.
And number 10, movie Ireally love, I know you do.
I think to Sam, we've talked aboutthis, Greystoke, Legend of Tarzan.
Have we talked about this?
I don't think I've seen that movie.
Oh, maybe I'm thinking something else.
Maybe I'm thinking something else.
But I really do like that movie.
I saw that in the theater as well.
The box office

Bee (19:28):
has changed so much.
Yeah, it has.

Anthony (19:31):
The quantity, there's so many films out now.
So it's,

Nathan (19:35):
This movie had two Academy Award nominations at one for best visual
effects, which I scratched my head about.
I wonder what it was up against,but it was also nominated
for best original score.
And yeah.
All right.
So let's get into this B since you havenever seen this film before in your.

Bee (20:01):
No, never.

Nathan (20:02):
The virgin to this franchise.
Let's hear it.

Bee (20:06):
Sure.
I didn't live up to Raiders for me.
I think we can say that.
Raiders was a perfect movie, I thought.
And this just felt like we reallyfell off the wagon somewhere.
I thought it was fun.
Hey listen, this is justa fun action serial.
You have this like, serialized James Bondy kind of character who just goes from
adventure to adventure, and the best partsof that are great, and the bad parts of

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that are really highlighted in this movie.
I'll start.
I think some of the reallyfun stuff I thought the action
was shot really well in this.
I thought it was photographedbeautifully, and some really big
action scenes that were just fun.
The kills were crazy, and Iliked how dark this movie was.
It wasn't a problem for me.

(20:51):
I thought that was cool.
Some of the dark parts of Raiders, Ithought, were the most interesting and
the most toothy, and gave some weightto some of these really amazing kills.
I liked the sidekicks.
I loved short roundand I liked Willie too.
She's crazy and annoying, but she'swhat a great every man to throw

(21:11):
in the middle of there becauseyeah, what Indy's doing is crazy.
That's insane.
I like who would know howto handle that situation.
So I like that they went.
In completely the opposite direction.

Nathan (21:22):
You're officially on the record being pro Willie.

Bee (21:24):
I'm pro Willie.
It's fine.
It's fine.
I just like that they didn't tryto give us the same woman twice.
Does their romance make any sense?
No.
Do I think it makes sense to hold thatto a really rigorous standard for an
80's action movie that's not about that?
Also no.
Who cares?
That's not the point of it for me.
Yeah, I thought that stuff, Ithought the score was amazing.

(21:47):
That was, I was happy to belistening to John Williams again.
The problem with characters like thisis when you stick them in locations
that you treat as exotic as this.
And the white savior tropethat really jumps out.
And it's right from the openingnumber all the way through.
The Indian people in this movie are,they're either helpless or evil.

(22:07):
I don't know.
The whole time they need Indito save them, which is that's
this type of character, right?
They go in somewhere andthey save everything.
And that's just the nature of it.
It doesn't age well, itdoesn't hold up super well.
That's some of it was problematic.
But, there was a lotof fun to be had in it.
I do think, it's interesting thatyou were saying the pacing was so

(22:29):
great, I thought it really dragged.
We spent so much time in the temple, andin Raiders we were moving from incredible
set piece to incredible set piece, todifferent countries, and it just felt
like the movie had pace and scope andexploration, and this felt really narrow.
to me.

(22:49):
It was cool.
The temple was interesting.
There were a lot of dimensionsto it, but we never really saw
anything outside of that world.
It ends really abruptly for me.
So I thought the middle kind of sank.
I don't know.
It wasn't my favorite.
I want to see the next one.

Nathan (23:08):
Okay.
What would you give this as a rating?
One to five?

Bee (23:11):
Three.

Nathan (23:12):
Three.
It's a three.
Okay.

Bee (23:14):
Yeah.
So that was probably not very coherent.

Nathan (23:18):
No.
Alright.
Anthony, you're up.

Anthony (23:22):
I love Temple of Doom.
Of course.
I just remember being like, eyesbugging out of my head in the
theater watching this as a child andwatching a grown man's heart, beating
heart be ripped from his chest.
This is a horror movie.
This is a horror movie.
It's so

Bee (23:38):
disturbing.

Anthony (23:40):
There's so many elements to this that put it in the horror genre.
genre for me, and especially to a child.
Like I, I never get away with that today.
And even back then, again, it causedan entire rating system change.
And I think they just went.
The creators were in a dark place.
They went in a dark place.

(24:00):
They had, empire was such a big hit andthat was the dark middle star Wars movie.
And they wanted to dothat again a little bit.
And yeah, whether or notthey went too far, who knows.
But for me, it was a ton of fun.
Some good callbacks to the first film.
But I think.
Even as a standalone film, this doesn'thave to be an Indiana Jones movie.

(24:23):
I think this movie couldhave been any other film.
It wouldn't be as good because again,you get to build on what Raiders has
already established as a world andIndiana Jones is a character, but
but This would be a really fun movieto watch in almost any franchise.
So like you can nitpick a bunchof different stuff and comparison
the other indie films or whatever.

(24:44):
But I think it's right up there.
With the other films Raiders.
Yeah.
Like you said, Raiders is perfect.
I guess we're not really allowed totalk about the future, but it's there.
It's my third favorite of the originalthree, but we're talking like,
what's your third favorite child?
It's

Nathan (25:00):
okay.
Anthony, if you were giving a ratingone to five, what would you say?
Cause that's what we do here.

Anthony (25:08):
And we took all the movies ever made into this one, one to five.
Yeah.
It's high stakes,

Outro (25:14):
Anthony.
Yeah.

Anthony (25:16):
It's a four.
And I'm also team Willie.
Hell yeah.
I think she's a terrific representativeof They're making these thirties and
forties serial films and she's a greatrepresentation of what a lot of the like
damsel in distress But not even she'snot even really in distress she's like

(25:37):
you said you called it every man of it.
She's comic relief.
She's all these thingsand Like I don't know.
I've met people like that I met people,I know people, that if you drop them
into that situation they're gonna screamwhen they see snakes and all that.
It might even be me.
But I didn't have a problemwith her as a character.
She was annoying.
That's the person you don't want aroundin some of those situations, but that's

(25:58):
what she's supposed to be there for.
If she was like an equal to Indy asfar as his experience and skillset
and all that, she really wouldn'tbe that interesting of a character.
You need someone that's likein some ways, hold him back.
And then she has, she's the characterarc that they can't give Indiana Jones.
Indiana Jones is a very, Establishedcharacter is not gonna change much

(26:20):
through these films, but the peoplearound him, through his adventures change
their life perspective and all that.
So you get to watch a great change in her.
. And so she's the me she'sthe character, change

Nathan (26:33):
the character artist.
You see a change.
Did you see a change inher through this movie?
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Especially, she was constantly.

Bee (26:40):
Yeah, she was constantly pushing herself outside her comfort zone.
She was taken from something, a placewhere she already had established
herself in a foreign country.
She built a career there.
She knew she could be a person thatkept going beyond her boundaries.
I think she's a reallywell written character.

Anthony (26:56):
And when Indy drank the potion there and turned evil
that's a big turning point for her.
She stepped up and like you mentionedearlier when she handed The thing for
him to hit the, that, that wouldn'thappen to the beginning of the movie.
I think she, spending that timeand spending that time around Indy,
becoming more comfortable in her skin,she really stepped up against those.

(27:18):
She could have caught, crouchedin a corner and hit and cried,
but she stepped up and helped

Sam (27:21):
fight.
You talk about Indy drinking that potion.
You talk about the horrormovie like tone to this.
That is so dark when hewakes up with the candles.
I'm like, Oh my God, this ispitch black, midnight darkness.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.

Trailer (27:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.

Anthony (27:40):
And as far as the other tropes that people get upset about with India
and all that Again it's the early 80s, allthese films and stories from, especially
the stuff they're trying to emulate.
They're trying to emulatestuff from almost the 30s.
Yeah.
And, exotic places and Aboriginals andall this different stuff that comes up.

(28:02):
Those are all like, scary.
The unknown where man is scaredof the unknown and other countries
and other populations and all thatare unknown and therefore scary.
And you get these tall talesthat, that creep through a bow.
Don't go there.
Those people will do thisand that you hear about now,

Bee (28:18):
I just wish they had given Indy a really strong character from the
village that he was trying to save.
I wish there were somebody thatstepped up that represented
the place that needed help.
That was, I think, the thing thatcould have helped it a little more.
Because then you could still bethis person who's fish out of water.

(28:39):
You could still have that story.
But then you also have the story ofhumanizing, but to your point, Indy
has that great moment in the beginningwith Willie, where he's you got to eat
this food and he's showing the culturalcompetence that an academic should have.

Nathan (28:54):
Yeah.
Okay.
Sam, what do you got to say?

Sam (28:58):
I first off, just going linearly, I like, I love the opening
title credits of Indiana Jonesand the Temple of Doom behind Kate
Capshaw, who is like in front of it.
And the logo appears as it doeson posters which I will not give
anything away, but we don't oftensee that style in other films

Nathan (29:20):
with Kate Capshaw in front of the title.

Sam (29:22):
Yeah, no, where you actually see where it says Indiana Jones
in the Indiana Jones, orange font.
Like writers doesn't have that.
Yeah.

Nathan (29:30):
See

Sam (29:31):
just different style.
Like this movie is morepulpy, oh, totally.
Yeah.
Love the, and I was timed it causeI've seen this movie so many times.
I was curious as to the structure, thefirst 19 minutes of this film with the
like Nurhaci's remains at Club Obi Wan,the huge shootout in Club Obi Wan, the
escape, jumping out the window, thegiant rolling, like block the, the car

(29:56):
chase And Dan Aykroyd's brief cameoout of nowhere where he just shows up.
He's hello, I'm Odd Webber.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
He's you will be riding on a cargo plane.

Bee (30:05):
I was like, is that Dan Aykroyd?
They must have

Nathan (30:07):
stayed friends from 1941 is what I'm guessing.
Yeah,

Sam (30:10):
exactly.
For sure.
And then like all that is in thefirst 19 minutes, then they jump
out of the plane in that ridiculousraft sequence that I love.
It's just such a this movie.
Really takes the kind of James Bond theand premise of will open the film with
the third act of another story and itjust has this totally unrelated, like

(30:32):
those characters never come back againand in terms of what I really enjoy
about this movie, the tonality of it.
It's like my.
Description of it.
It's like a it on the outside.
It looks like a beautiful likecake and you like want to eat
it but like it's hollow andthere's a giant tarantula inside.

(30:52):
Because this movie I always lovedlike that's like having always
loved like movies and like beinginterested in directing and
structure and stuff like that.
What I really love about Indiana Jonesand the temple of doom is if you're seeing
this for the first time, it starts offvery splashy with a musical, very light.

(31:14):
Like you've got, you have asense, like what I'm going
to be seeing is a lot of fun.
fun, maybe not as deep as Raiders, butafter they crash and they arrive in
India, this like oppressive tone ofdarkness just creeps down on the movie.
And so I love how the evil and thetonality and the horror elements of
this film are saved for the second act.

(31:36):
And it's, so it creeps in insidiously.
Interestingly enough the actor.
who played the village priest, heactually did not speak English in
real life and Spielberg told himhis lines phonetically to him.
So he'd mimic the sound.
So that's where he would say itmust darkness over the village.
He's literally just goingoff Spielberg's direction.

(31:59):
I thought he did amazing.

Nathan (32:01):
There's a great, there's a great behind the scenes.
Stuff on YouTube and on the disc wherehe's just shows and he's doing all the
stuff behind like darkness and all that.
And he's just copying him, off camera.

Anthony (32:13):
Oh, exactly.

Nathan (32:14):
Yeah.

Anthony (32:15):
Before you get too far, I do just want to comment on the opening.
Which could be its ownshort film in and of itself.
I love the fact how Indiana Jones,especially in the beginning of
Raiders 2 that they just Dropyou in without any X unnecessary
exposition of what's happening.
They just don't insult the audienceintelligence and allow you to
pick up some of the pieces there.

(32:36):
And it makes you have tolisten and pay attention.
It draws you in.
They didn't need to explain toomuch, but you're gathering context
clues of who's doing what and who'slooking how and who's with who.
And it's just phenomenal that theygive that to the audience, the gift of
filling in the gaps, which gets you more.
Intertwined with the film, butanyway, yeah, that I love that they

(32:57):
do that with these films, and I wishmore films nowadays would do that
without over explaining everything

Outro (33:02):
to you.

Sam (33:02):
Yeah.
God, yeah, over explaining everythingand then like adding subplots in
addition to explaining everything.
Yeah.
They're like, we have tolike, check every single box.
Not opening it.
I love that opening andthat, that sets the tone.
And what I love about it isit's so different from the rest.
And I totally hear what you'resaying, Bea, about especially when
they're in the temple of Dhuum, themovie is more like claustrophobic.

(33:24):
It's closer.
And it's a very different animal thanRaiders because Raiders is undeniably
Way more epic and grander visuallyand it's you know Open skies and
deserts and vehicles and soldierslike it's very there's a there's like
a David Lean feel Raiders, this is asubterranean horror movie that happens

(33:47):
exactly that happens to have some likeoutdoor locations in the first half.
I know what you mean about the pacingin the temple, but for me personally,
why, the reason I like it a lot isbecause when they get to the temple,
the movie's had some action andlaughs and the gross out, dinner
scene and some really good set pieces.
And I love the thing where the spikescoming down and them getting trapped,

(34:09):
like the action in this movie islegit, but until they've arrived at the
temple, it's never gotten fully dark.
And when they get there andthey get trapped, it gets.
dark, like Harrison Ford drinksthe poison, like they're being
whipped like Willie is literallyabout to be sacrificed to the fire.
And that's like incrediblysuspenseful and just horrifying

(34:30):
because I can't imagine her terrorand just blacking out in the heat.
It gets so oppressive and so heavy.
That when they break free and escape,I find the like mine car chase wildly
exciting the bridge climax, just likeit's like they get let out of the
prison of the temple of doom and theyget this escape like the last third of

(34:52):
that movie to me is just Action packed.
I love everything.
I like the shot.
I love it.
When Indy is swinging on the the rafterswith his whip and he's trying to catch
up to the mine cart and he falls in.
Just the way it's shot the,this movie really, the pacing
moves really fast for me.
And lastly, I'll say, I'll just end bysaying that in, in Mythology in the hero's

(35:16):
journey and those types of things, there'sthe idea of the hero has to go into the
earth and be tested, and then they comeback out to the light re energized.
And I feel like Temple ofDoom takes that literally.
We literally see a movie where IndianaJones and company go to hell, survive
hell, and then break up back forth todaylight on the other side, and it was

(35:38):
like a fever dream nightmare of a Story.
So that's what I like about it.
I could go on and on, but I wouldgive Temple of Doom four as well.
I give it a solid four.

Trailer (35:47):
Nice.

Nathan (35:50):
Okay.
I'm up.

Trailer (35:55):
Yeah, man, you're up.

Nathan (35:56):
I've dreaded this day.
Thanks.
I have.
Anthony, what you don't know is thatI have a real love hate relationship
with this movie for a long time.
So one thing that I feel like I shouldnever do, I never want to do in life, is
to look at this film with a critical eye,especially when I'm already, this film has

(36:23):
been skating at the nice for a while now.
This came out at a time at the peakof my eighties movie fandom, summer
of 84, I was 10 and I loved the hellout of this movie when I was 10.
It was, Spielberg made this movie for me.
It was perfect.
And I still think, likeyou said, Sam, the first.
18, 19 minutes of this movie are perfect.

(36:45):
Pretty much.
I love that opening scene.
I would actually, I'll be honest.
I would, I wish this movie was aboutIndy's adventures with the Chinese mafia.
I could have stayed in Shanghai andlearning about, and his adventures there.
I want to know more about that.
That's funny.
Was it when he got on the plane?

(37:05):
I love that scene, but itthere's something about this.
One thing that bothers me though, andI'll get into about the humor in this
movie, in the writing of this, but I'mgetting ahead of myself here, but years
have gone as the years have gone ontemple doom has increasingly become a
very Difficult viewing experience for me.

(37:27):
I guess I'll say
I'm not here to completelytrash this movie.
There are a lot of things I'll appraise.
I, like I said, the opening is perfect.
It starts off with that vibranthomage to the like Busby Berkeley
musicals from the thirties,forties, that splashy dance number.
I love that opening set piece.
It's my favorite part ofthis movie, pitting Indy and

(37:49):
Lao Tse against each other.
The interaction that combined withthe blocking of that, the directing,
the editing, the score while they'redoing the Lazy Susan back and forth.
So yeah it's chef's kiss.
It is.
The champagne pork, the ice witheverything, the way that is edited
together, it's just perfection.
And, but at least to that, like Marxbrothers esque shenanigans, And it's

(38:12):
a great blend of humor and action.
It is Spielberg firing inall cylinders in that scene.
And I really do love it, but it's alsoan indication of the type of humor and
like the ventures into lowbrow territorythat is just not vibing with me.

(38:33):
The way it used to, and it'slacking kind of the wit and
the subtlety of the first film.
But another, but not going todwell too into the doldrums yet.
Another bright spot I like is thedynamic between Indy and Short Round.
Their banter and chemistry, so much fun.
I really hope that that he, Quan maybereturns his franchise at some point.

(38:55):
And.
And we get maybe some adventurewith him or that character,
I think it'd be really cool.
I think he's, he'll, he, Idon't think he ever will.

Sam (39:04):
I love it when he and Indy are playing, they're playing cards
and Kate Capshaw's running aroundand like bumping into every single
animal and she grabs the bat.
And my favorite shot is sheruns by and a lizard is bruh.

Nathan (39:16):
I like them in that.
I love their banter.
I could watch them play cards ordo whatever I want to venture with
them, but if it was focused butconversely, Willie Scott, the leading
later for me, the leading lady is amajor drawback for me, her character.
I was, I'm actually surprised howmuch team Willie there is here.

(39:39):
Cause I find her, she isthe audience surrogate.
But damn her character,the character I don't know.
I found her to be very underdevelopedand I do, you did bring up some good
points that did make me think a littlebit more, she does have some agency
in this toward the end where she ishelping Indy out and I really didn't.
Think about it as much, but sheis so poorly written, the stuff

(40:02):
that comes out of her mouth, it'sjust EKS and oz for the most part.
And I don't even care that it's a, she'slike this potentially outdated stereotype
of nightclub singer of the thirties.
I get that's somebody that existed backthen, and so I, I don't, that doesn't.
Fault, the movie for that.
I just don't like the fact thather, I didn't feel like she had

(40:23):
much arc and has really no depth.
She has no character moments.
Yes, she does.
Ha.
Action is character, but wedon't really get to know her.
She doesn't like, wedon't really, she doesn't.
Share anything about who sheis throughout this movie.
There's one moment where she sayssomething about, she has an opinion
about my father, my uncle was a magicianor a trickster, something like that.

(40:47):
And he ended up like penniless.
That's the one time in this whole movie.
She says, Something that is aha she'sbringing up something from her past.

Anthony (40:56):
It speaks to her material nature though.
Doesn't it?
It helps explain sortof her superficiality.
Yes,

Nathan (41:05):
but it's the only time that she says, Anything that's makes me
think that they wrote a line forher thinking about her character.
There's nothing, there's noother line in this movie that
is, adds any character to it.
I

Bee (41:18):
think there's so much visual storytelling that tells you her character.
I think you know that she'slike I do, but she's, yeah,

Nathan (41:26):
okay.
But yeah, you've made me think a littlebit more about it because, but that's,
that was my initial reaction to this.
Can I ask you a question?

Anthony (41:36):
Yeah.
Or my question to you is if you're goingto take the Uber capable and experienced
Indiana Jones and drop him into whatSam calls the pit of hell, we don't have
the traditional jet setting, like the.
The 007 jet settingthat Indiana Jones does.
We dropped him off in a placethat no one knows where he is.

(41:58):
He's trapped, there's noway out, and he's alone.
If you're going to do that to IndianaJones, and you want it to seem a
very helpless situation, are younot going to drop him with a child?
And a woman that's more worried aboutbreaking a nail than anything else.
The two of the most hapless, helplesspeople that you can companion
him with in the pit of hell.

(42:20):
And they are the onesthat help him get out.

Nathan (42:24):
I get it.
I understand this movie has avery precise formula for that.
She's a Bond girl is what she is.
There's the reason for why she's there.
And she's the audience surrogate.
And I don't fault the movie completely.
I just fault the writing for her.
But she serves a purpose for the story.
She's

Bee (42:43):
a broad industry.

Nathan (42:45):
But I don't know.
It's, it just is notworking for me anymore.

Bee (42:50):
I think you're, I think you're on the, I think a lot of
people feel the way you feel.

Nathan (42:54):
So the other thing I know But it's, I can't
really talk so much about it.
The other thing, just two more points,I'll say it quickly, visually, this film
is it's so heavily reliant on soundstages.
And that is also contributing to thisclaustrophobic and dark atmosphere.
I know this movie isunderground and all that, but.
Whereas Raiders was so set in thesevibrant location based settings much

(43:17):
of this film takes place undergroundand with that combined of, with
that is a, it's got that dim livingand these visually monotonous, it
creates this visually monotonousexperience is what I'm trying to say.
And.
With so many few outdoor scenes and a fewof them were shot in Sri Lanka, but it
really doesn't offer that much relief.
So it just felt really, I just feltjust like it was all in sound stages.

(43:41):
And I just did not feellike we went anywhere.
I was, I did not like, youmentioned David Lean as a great
reference, Sam, for the first film.
And I felt like I was never reallywas outside this movie and I
didn't, it wasn't pleasurable.

Anthony (43:57):
Compared to Raiders, or are you hating this as a standalone thing?
But do you think that Raiders ofthe Lost Ark is causing you to
hate this more than you should?

Nathan (44:08):
I can't not compare it to Raiders, but I think it's it's
also, it felt cheap because of that.
It felt like power agency.
And, there's more to sayabout this, but in summary,
there's a lot of great moments.
The action is so well directed in this.
And brilliant, a lot of momentsof brilliance and nostalgia
here, but it really struggleswith the tonal inconsistencies.

(44:32):
I don't like the slapstick humor.
It may have been the film that,that the public wanted in 1984 and
hey, I was there for it, but inretrospect, I still think this is one
of Spielberg's worst in his catalog.
So yeah.
What's your star rating?
I'm giving it a two and a half.

Sam (44:51):
Damn.
I'd say for me personally, just on thevisual element of the Temple of Doom I
love Douglas Slacombe's lighting there.
I think that set is incredible.
And I was, because I was doing this inat the one hour mark, when Indy and Short
Round and Willy you hit, they can hearchanting and they're walking through these
stalactites and stuff, and they come outaround this corner, and in this Spielberg

(45:15):
tracking shot, and then it pans around,and you see the entire Temple of Doom
set all fiery lit up with all the extras.
I just find that, all of that thelight, everything I find spectacular.
So I don't find it visually nice.

Nathan (45:30):
This movie is between spectacular and aggravating to me.
That's where I'm at.
So I

Bee (45:37):
have a question for you guys about the way this looks and about some of the
action on the set pieces because I thinkthe action is shot really well but it
goes so big so often and so much biggerthan it went in Raiders that for me it
almost looks lampoony like when theyget out of the plane on the raft and to

(45:57):
an extent the mine cart scene as well.
So I.
I didn't see this whenit came out, obviously.
I haven't seen it my whole life, soall I've seen is what it's influenced.
And I haven't really done a lotof research on this movie, because
I don't want to spoil anythingfor myself for future films.
It looked like, to me, with present dayeyes on this movie, like they were Gunning

(46:21):
for universal rides when they made thismovie, they had notes in the back of their
mind of like, how do we make this a ride?
How do we market this?
That's how I, as a modernday movie watcher, see that
what they're doing there.
But I don't know if this isactually just some sort of.
Spielberg and Lucas being like, let's allbe 10 year old boys and make the movie.

(46:42):
Our 10 year old kids wish they couldmake, or if this was a studio note
saying Raiders was so good, let'sjust do more, more as far as I know.

Sam (46:50):
The mine car chase was actually originally going to be part of Raiders,
but they had too many set pieces.
So they like kept, and they're like,Oh, now we're in temple of doom.
We're underground.
We'll take the mine carchase, put it in this one.
But I guess it was a raft, possibly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, yeah, the raft, I can see possiblywhile making it, it definitely has
that, of course it could be a good ride.

(47:11):
I

Nathan (47:11):
know there's very little studio involvement in the making of this movie.
They let Lucas and Spielberg really havecarte blanche to do whatever you want.

Bee (47:20):
This looks like the studio had their hands all over it.
If you've never seen this movie.
This feels like a

Nathan (47:26):
This to me feels like a cocaine infused fever dream.
Yeah, but I think thestudio execs were doing that

Bee (47:31):
too.
But I think, if you, so I grew up in theera of like franchises and sequels and
big movies and studios and things getting,so watching this now, it's so different.
so hard to not to think that this was theoriginal concept of Spielberg and Lucas
and not how do we market this later?

(47:51):
How do we make things bigger?
And it just not being super successful.
So that's, I don't know, that justputs it in a different light for me.

Sam (47:59):
I hear that.
And it was definitely them.
It was Lucas, like pushing the ideaand Spielberg kind of jumped on
board and was like, Oh, a darker.
Just like playing

Bee (48:07):
and being, yeah, that's fun

Nathan (48:09):
to know is that this really was like a story that
they just threw together.
This is not like Raiders whereLucas had this idea gestating
for like years and years.
This was just like them wegot to think of something.
And they had like actionset pieces in mind.
And then I feel like they cobbledaround a story around that.
They did the same

Sam (48:28):
thing.
Yeah.
It's

Bee (48:30):
surreal that it is.
Sorry.
We did the same

Sam (48:32):
thing with Raiders.
They put together a story and this was nodifferent than their kind of storytelling.
I think it just happened to be, for meI think Raiders is definitely like a
lot more open air and visually epic, butwhat I love about this is when, and I
won't give anything away, but when you'rewatching Indiana Jones movies, I like
how I like what an outlier this film is.

(48:53):
It's so different in feel that it,the claustrophobia and the cave, like
for me, gives it its own horror thing.
And I love it when they're like,going through the place with the bugs.
Like it's very like.
Trapped in cavernous, but I loveit because it's so different.
It's not like Raiders part two.
Let's try to top the truck chase.

(49:15):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's just my sort of angle.
It's

Bee (49:17):
a little mean spirited.
Like it, it never lets them go.
Like first they got the bridge, thenthere's alligators under the bridge.
Then it's just, and I like that.
I think that was, but I wasn'tsure who was driving that.

Sam (49:31):
That was definitely Spielberg and Lucas.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Anthony (49:35):
The great thing too, Sam, you talk about the end when they
come out and they're in darknessand then into the light at the end.
We're sitting in the theater,having that same response when the
screen goes bright with the sun.
And we've been living inside withthese characters for this entire film.
Even in the, I remember squinting when thedaylight came on at the end of the film.
And just being like, oh.

(49:55):
Man, that's

Sam (49:55):
awesome.
And

Anthony (49:55):
having that same, that same feeling.
That was cool.
I think some of the negatives that peopleare finding are by design and maybe
they're not What is optimal for us andstuff, but willie's a character you're
not supposed to like I don't think andyou know living in the darkness I think
is by design as well but it's interestingwhat you're saying be about like the set

(50:16):
pieces and the age nature of the effectslike They don't, I was remarkably still
impressed by all the set pieces andstuff, but I think I just in a different
generation grew up with a different eye.
I hate more of the artificialCGI stuff now than I do.
I think less of that than I do the sortof cheaper miniature stuff and whatnot.

(50:39):
And maybe because I grew upon it, it doesn't bother me as
much because I'm so used to it.
Whereas someone that didn't grow up withthe miniatures and the practical sets as
much it stands out more to you becauseyou're used to a more modern image.

Bee (50:53):
I love, I ride for practical effects.
That is my jam.
I just thought they they justkept pushing the action so big.
And it was just so relentless to thecharacters that to me, it just felt like,
okay, we've had Indy in a truck chase.
What if we kick him out of a plane?
That just felt to me like a studionote, trying to push the limits

(51:16):
of what the character could do.
But I thought the effects were great.
I thought the CGI didn't holdup with the practical effects.
It was amazing.
And I think the sets were great.
It's the best part of both movies.

Sam (51:27):
I do agree.
I do know what you'resaying about the tone.
This movie has a kind of let'spunch you in the face tone to it.
It's it's like, you want to see theheart and the fire that is, it's
like ruthless like it, there is that.
And that's what makes it so differentbecause yes it's darker than Raiders,
but the evil of the Nazis is likea deeper, just more human evil of

(51:52):
horror that like Raiders is grander.
So it's like Temple of Doom definitelyfeels smaller, but it's it's, I feel like
the dark horror tone like compensatesfor the more like enclosed story.

Anthony (52:06):
You with Nazis, you're coming in knowing what the Nazis are
capable of and what they're doing.
And they're already historicallyscary, but the thuggies, you don't
know anything about them coming in.
So it's how do we make themalmost scarier than the Nazis?
What can we do?
So I feel like they had to makethem really bad to live up to that.
to Nazis, which they didn't haveto show us what the Nazis do.
Cause we all learned about it in school.

Sam (52:26):
They are ruthless.
And by the way, I've justforgot to include this.
You guys will find thishilarious, but no joke.
I timed it at the one hour,24 minute Mark and 33 seconds.
There is the weirdest like continuityedit where like Indy has just rescued
Willie and Mola Ram is still like onthe stage and Indy goes to hit him.

(52:47):
And then.
This floor panel opens up andMolaram just escapes and he just
goes, Whoa, and he disappears.

Nathan (52:54):
Very Bond villain esque.

Sam (52:55):
If you ever watched that in slow motion, the continuity
on that shot is, that is a mess.
Like they tried to hide it in the editing,but it's just it's, it looks insane.
Yeah.

Nathan (53:06):
I want to emphasize just a little bit.
I feel like, I hung up on my gripes withWillie and some of the other things here,
but the thing that really is my hang upis really the writing and some of the tone
of the way these characters are writtenand the way they're speaking in here.
The comedy in this.
I was not a fan of.

(53:28):
The slapstickiness of this.
I thought the humor, again, I'm going backto comparing and I know you're calling
me out on the Anthony a little bit,but I like, I think Raiders of the Lost
Ark, the humor in that is, is wonderful.
And I have there's like in this, inTemple of Doom, like a moment I do love
where I think that it fits the humor,the tone from Raiders of the Lost Ark

(53:48):
is when he's escaping on the plane.
In the beginning.
And he screams, shouts outto Lao Tse nice try Lao Tse.
He closes the door and the LaoTse name is revealed on the plane.
And if it ended rightthere, it's a great moment.
But what I don't like with this moviedoes, what Spielberg does to hit us over

(54:11):
the head is that you see the reverseof Lao Tse, like signaling to the
pilots ah, And you see that shot andthen the pilot's signal back he's like
doing everything he can to constantlyhand feed the humor to us in this.
And it's little things like that.
And the course is a lot moreslapstick on top of that, but

(54:31):
it's, I feel like no moment can beleft to be just funny on its own.
And it's even there was another momentlike going back to Raiders there's,
there was a great line and that was, Iactually wrote it down here I don't know
where it is anymore but it's just theway that there's, oh, I know what it was.

(54:51):
Another example is when When Indyand Willie, they fall out of the
club and they land in Short Round'scar, and he's reaching to the dress,
and I just don't like, lowbrowhumor there's no time for love, Mr.
Dr.
Jones, or things like that.
I feel like that line would not exist.
And Rays of the Lost Dark, but Icompare that to like in Raiders,

(55:12):
where Marion says lines like, you'renot the man I knew 10 years ago.
And Indy would reply with thingslike, it's not the years, honey.
It's the mileage, which I find to belike subtle humor that I love that tone.
And that's what I miss for thismovie is that really suave, the suave

Anthony (55:34):
ness.

Sam (55:36):
But

Nathan (55:36):
It's great writing.
It's great.
Maybe

Sam (55:39):
talking to about Willard Huck and Gloria Katz.
The writers on this are different.
Oh, I know.
I know that's gotta be, that's probably,

Nathan (55:46):
I noticed

Sam (55:48):
that a little bit.
Like it's not there.
Some of that is, is not the,

Nathan (55:51):
but it stands out to me so much these moments in this movie.
And I'm like, Oh,

Sam (55:57):
I hear you there for some, it's the one where Lausche like signals to
the pilots that didn't, for me, didn'tstand out as like a comedy overdone.
I just thought it was an action oflike, all right, you guys take charge.
But this is like,

Nathan (56:09):
why would spiel, okay, I know this is the most nit pickiest, nitpick
of the nitpicks is things like that.
I get that.
But it's just like this.
That's something that like Spielberg,like why would he need that shot?
It's things like that.
But I get it.
This is an eighties action movie.
But it feels like this is somethingthat we would see in, they can
all be troubling little child.
, I know I, that is probably notthe best example, but it is like.

(56:32):
A microcosm of a lot of things.
I think you and I

Bee (56:34):
have a similar, what I think this does really well, and it does
in Raiders too, is when it justrelies on the visual storytelling.
Willie losing the diamond andthen the ice comes in and she's
got to scramble to find it.
That's a great moment that tellsyou everything you need to know.
Her being poked and held at knife point inthat opening scene tells you everything.

(56:57):
Indie isn't.
A great guy all the time.
We knew that from Raiders.
I love, he's a complicated character.
I love that.
The shadows come back in someof the action beats and some of
the action happens off screen.
You just see the effects thatis so well done and incredible.
Some of the verbal cues are a littlemore on the nose and they don't
always hit the same way that thevisual storytelling does for me.

Sam (57:19):
I hear you.
I think.
The visual storytelling, I thinkthe visual storytelling and the,
for me, the action set piecesin this movie, the actions are
the strongest, they're like the,

Trailer (57:31):
they're

Sam (57:32):
like the bones, the foundation that like holds the house together.
Because I love the mine cart chase.
I just, I love the escapefrom the temple of doom.
I feel like that third act is its own likefast paced, rickety, like adventure ride.
Like I was just glad to beout of there by that point.
There's also character

Nathan (57:53):
moments.
Indy is seeing a childbeing whipped at one point.
He throws a rock at that guy.
What the hell?
He totally forgot where he was.
I just hate the fact that Indy isnow, in this movie, like a brash,
sometimes really stupid character.
And He's supposed to be likethis brilliant, able to think

(58:14):
his way through problems.
And in this case, he just throwsa rock to get the attention
of the entire thuggy cult.
I see, I like

Sam (58:21):
the throwing of the rock.
Cause I thought that was a verytypically Indiana Jones moment
where he just is like improvisingand he's overcome by his emotion.
I feel like I'm watching

Nathan (58:33):
a completely different character in this movie.

Outro (58:37):
So one way he's.
Oh, go ahead, Anthony.

Anthony (58:41):
I was going to say that the thing you view as a flaw, I was
complimenting in the fact that I lovethe antihero that is Indiana Jones
and that he's not always perfect.
And he often makes mistakesthat put himself in more peril.
Like anyone, I know really smartpeople that do really stupid
emotional things sometimes.
And so I love thatthere's that side of him.

(59:01):
It makes him more three dimensional.
If he was perfect through everythingand thought through everything
and did everything by the letter.
He'd be so boring.
The fact that he does thesethings, you're like, no, oh no.
But

Nathan (59:15):
I get it, but it's, it just seems like we've betrayed a character
that I already thought I knew.
It just seems like something that,the other thing I have to keep in
mind is that this is a prequel andmaybe he learned from his mistakes,
which is why he is different.

Bee (59:30):
I think it's weird that they bothered to classify it as a prequel
because they're just serious.
Here's the other

Nathan (59:34):
thing.
When I saw this in 84.
I never really made the connectionthat this was a prequel.
I think I'd only seenRaiders maybe one time.
Cause I did see in the theater, by theway, I saw Raiders in 1981 in the theater.
Scared the hell out of me.
And it was one of the firstmovies my dad brought me to see.
I was seven or whatever, how old I was.

(59:54):
And I don't think I had, I'dever saw, I don't know if I had
HBO or, So I saw, here's theother thing that's really funny.
I didn't even know that Indiana Joneswas the same actor that was Han Solo,
because until I saw the opening sceneat the nightclub when Indiana Jones is

(01:00:14):
clean shaven, that's the only time Ithink in the entire series he's clean
shaven, I'm like, he looks like Han Solo.
And that's when I finallymade the connection.
There's the same actor but but that'sthe thing I, until these movies
were on home video or HBO, like whenyou see the year title card, like I
never knew that or I don't think alot of people made that connection.

Bee (01:00:35):
He does something that's outside of.
What we assume his character to befrom Raiders at the end of this movie
for the better, I think, which is hegives the stone back to the people
who back to the village that needs itbecause Indy is an archaeologist, right?
He's an academic.
He's an archaeologist and he's thesemovies are pretty Morally ambivalent about

(01:00:58):
the colonialism of archaeology and is

Nathan (01:01:02):
there ever a doubt he was gonna return the stone if he got it?

Bee (01:01:05):
No, but I think, like the British led Indian armed forces save
the day at the end of this movie.
And I just think it's You know, the moviedoesn't really care about those things
or explore those themes at all, but it'sthe nature of Indian Jones is that he
goes into these places, he takes theseidols, and then he brings them back to
his European museums, his Western museums.

(01:01:28):
However, whatever you think about that orfeel about that's, what he's doing, but
he gives it back at the end of this andhe says, Hey, there'll be another day.
And I just thought that was anice character moment for him.
Speaking

Sam (01:01:39):
of the British.
Oh, no.
Go ahead, Anthony.
Just to button that

Anthony (01:01:43):
in defense of Indy in this moment, most of the other artifacts
he's going has gone after to thispoint are ones by civilizations that
don't really aren't around anymore.
There are other people going after them.
The Ark of the Covenant and all thataren't using, but this in a world
where this sort of magic is real.

(01:02:03):
And this tribe of folks, this village,is using these stones for a purpose,
for their crops and their world.
So it's not that this stone isjust something that people are
trying to get for modern use.
It's not a relic.
It's not a relic.
It's a modern jewel.

Outro (01:02:22):
That's a good point, yeah.

Sam (01:02:24):
And I totally hear you.
It makes no attempt to analyze thelike time periods or like the Not at
all, but I do love the that's fine.
Speaking of it doesn't have toBritish imperialism Colonel or
General Bloomberg, that British actor.
Blum I do the end John Williams issomewhat imperialistic and like when
the British show up at the very end.
I love John Williams.

(01:02:44):
He's like overjoyed.
He's Shoot them if they won, just likestraightforward, like flat adventure.
But that, tonality, amusing wise I

Bee (01:02:53):
love the scores of both of these movies.
I was jamming out on theferry ride to work today.

Sam (01:02:59):
I do love the score.
I think my favorite musical cue in thewhole movie is like, they're just leaving
the village and then it the camera pushesin on the priest and he's just like
standing there wishing them good luck.
Then it cuts to this wide shot of them onthe elephants crossing a river and John
Williams theme just explodes until we'reheading to Pancot Palace adventure mode.

(01:03:21):
Amazing.
Who knew

Anthony (01:03:23):
that the lead singer of Toto's Dad was so talented?
I know.
No, Joe Williams dad is just amazing.
It's true.
Is that something you knew, Nathan?

Nathan (01:03:39):
No, I didn't.
I was trying to act smartand not say anything.

Anthony (01:03:43):
Ah, you you know so much about music.
I figured that's one that Iwouldn't be able to get you.

Nathan (01:03:49):
That slipped by.
I only

Anthony (01:03:52):
learned that a couple of months ago and I was blown away.

Nathan (01:03:56):
Anything else here to, I made a couple dumb notes here that
you guys are going to shout at me.
I think the entire mind chase.
at the end is great, but it'salso unnecessary because they're
told by the young Maharaja, youmust take the tunnel on the left.
No, they just had to go out thefront door like all the other kids.
I made that note.

(01:04:17):
The Maharaja

Bee (01:04:18):
reminded me of the Imperial being in the Neverending Story.
Maharaja is actually played

Nathan (01:04:22):
by a girl.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
And what do you, okay, I haveone other note here and we're
probably going backwards here.
I think B, you mentionedthis early in your review.
After the dinner, Indy and Willie startthis flirting and they what the hell?

(01:04:46):
I, there's no, Sure.
There's no sex ritualthat's built up at all.
Least I observed in this and I just,

Bee (01:04:56):
I, it reminded me, have you seen the movie from the fifties Pillow Talk?

Nathan (01:05:01):
No, I know of it.

Bee (01:05:04):
It's the same kind of, not so chemistry.
Yeah, it's, I just, I was gladwe got another mirror scene, a
different kind of mirror scene.
I thought that was fun.
. No, whatever, they're twohorny hot adults in a palace.
Yeah, they're

Sam (01:05:19):
both stuck in a palace what are you, what are they gonna do?
Any kind of Have drugs for dinner,

Nathan (01:05:23):
give them a break.
If there was some, if there wasjust a kernel of sexual attention
that was planted somewhereI love it because it tell

Bee (01:05:32):
Neither of them are as attracted to other people as they are themselves.
And Spielberg and Lucas justgive them a mirror and that's it.
It's perfect.
I loved it.

Nathan (01:05:43):
I don't know, but if you're going to have them bickering for 30
minutes, you got to Plant some seed.
It was not 30 minutes.

Sam (01:05:50):
It was like six.
I was like timing the movie last night.
Like it's not 30 minutes.

Nathan (01:05:55):
Six minutes.
They, that scene has got to be 30 minutes.
Cause right before theygo into the temple.
No, it's six

Sam (01:06:02):
minutes.
And then the other 15 minutesis the spikes and the bugs
and there's a whole set piece.

Anthony (01:06:07):
You've never fallen into bed with someone that you yourself
thought you didn't, couldn't stand.
Until you're kissing.

Sam (01:06:17):
You think you also couldn't run out the front door.
The minecart chase was necessary becauseof some reason they explained in the
plot, but I can't remember right now,but I get back to you on that one.

Nathan (01:06:28):
No, I'm glad the minecart chases in this, but I think it's, I think like,
why didn't they just go out the front?
Why not?
All the other kids could do it, but

Bee (01:06:34):
I was I enjoyed the minecart chase, but there was some small itch in the back
of my brain that was so cynical about the.
like merchandising of this film.
I was like, Oh, I'mprobably setting up a ride.

Nathan (01:06:53):
So have you not been to Disney's like Indiana Jones ride?
No.
Oh my God.

Bee (01:07:00):
No.

Nathan (01:07:00):
It's not a mine cart ride, but you're in like a
Jeep and it's really cool.

Bee (01:07:05):
Zero encounters with Indiana Jones in my life, except for, I knew he wore a hat.

Sam (01:07:10):
You almost get hit by the boulder in the ride.
Like you think you're going to,then you go like underneath it.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
That's pretty fun.

Nathan (01:07:17):
It's pretty

Sam (01:07:17):
good.
It's pretty good.
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Nathan (01:07:20):
Yep.
I got anything else to say?
Booby.
The booby trap room isa great set piece also.
That's,

Sam (01:07:27):
I, yeah.
I

Bee (01:07:29):
love that Spielberg loves that set piece.
Dude, that's one of

Sam (01:07:31):
his favorite set pieces in the whole series.
He does mention that.
So I that was, yeah.
That

Bee (01:07:35):
was so gripping.
Yeah.
Nathan, how did you feel with

Anthony (01:07:40):
comedy in that?

Bee (01:07:41):
Oh, I thought that was funny when he's come on, just pull the lever.
And she's it's good.
That's it.
When she bumps the thing

Nathan (01:07:48):
and it resets everything again, like the code is the best part.
No, I liked it.

Bee (01:07:53):
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't that it was just, it wasreally just the huge set pieces that
went on for a long time and just kept,I think the plane and some of the,
my card, I was just like, Oh my God.

Anthony (01:08:06):
So B, just for clarification, are you with me
and Sam or are you with Nathan?
There's no team.
I'm firmly

Bee (01:08:14):
in the middle.
I'm a three star,

Outro (01:08:15):
man.

Sam (01:08:16):
You just reminded me of of the dwarf and the hobbit and they're like, will
you have peace or will you have war?
And he's I will have

Outro (01:08:23):
war!

Bee (01:08:24):
War!
No, I think.
I think where I'm different, Iwould watch this movie again.
And I think going in knowing whatit is, I would watch it when I'm
in the mood for that type of movie.
I think if I'm in the mood fora big adventure movie, No, if
I'm in the mood for an action y,big budget kind of movie, sure.

Anthony (01:08:50):
I'm hoping, I'm just trying to sway you to our side because I
want Nathan to go to bed tonightquestioning his life choices, thinking
he's made a mistake, and that he

Trailer (01:08:59):
should

Anthony (01:08:59):
give this credit.

Nathan (01:09:00):
Anthony, you don't need to sway any, do anything for
me to think that already, okay?
Every night.

Bee (01:09:05):
I took some notes while I was watching this and.
I just have a note that saysthe temple kills go so hard.
They go so hard, and I, that's positive.
I thought that was nice.
Yeah, those things are rough when theguy gets crushed by those boulders.
I also like that they showwhat happens in the lava cage

(01:09:26):
before they do it to Whitley.

Sam (01:09:28):
Yes.
So you're

Bee (01:09:29):
like,

Sam (01:09:29):
oh shit.

Bee (01:09:31):
I do love it when that guy

Sam (01:09:33):
like falls off the back of the mine or falls in the tracks and the
other cart hits it and they go flying.
To me that was always like awhomp by the luamp like woohoo!

Bee (01:09:42):
It's fucking brutal man.
And the alligators, thosealligators ate well that day.
And

Anthony (01:09:49):
that bridge scene I look at

Trailer (01:09:50):
the

Sam (01:09:55):
bridge was that was an, and that was all real.
That bridge was there and Spielbergrefused to cross it because he was
afraid of he didn't want to do it.
And Harrison Ford just ranacross it, built the bridge.
Like they got the local military tobuild it with all these supports.
Like it was the safest bridge ever.
And then they detonated it.
With like wire cutting explosivesand they had they had dummies on

(01:10:18):
the bridge that were mechanical thatwould like their heads would move.
And so when they're falling off thebridge, that's why the people look real.
Cause they're like, moving.
But then when you see the makingof the scenes and they all fall on
the river, it's hilarious becausethe dummies are still turned on.
So the fall should have killed them.
And you just see them like flappingaround in the water, turn them off,

Nathan (01:10:36):
I think about Mullah Rahm's fall afterwards and That didn't look great.
Didn't look good.
But you know what?
I compare, I can't, I have to comparemovies, but what if he had fallen
like Hans Gruber does in Die Hard?
Would that have been better?
If you saw this slow descent?

Sam (01:10:50):
It would have been cool, but Even though it looks, it totally looks fake.
The fact that they have like acamera move in the fall, like
following him, like usually in theeighties, they just have static Matt
shots where someone like recedes.
And so I liked the effort.
It's one of those things where itdoesn't look real, but I applaud
what they were like trying to do.
That's more grace than I give it.

Bee (01:11:12):
That's more grace than I give it.
I do think there's so many relentlesskills and so many long set pieces
in this movie that it's a littleunderwhelming when the big baddie dies.
It's just yeah, it's like, all right,we had to get, it's takes a minute.
I do love

Sam (01:11:26):
it when he jumps, when he bounces off that rock, when he's falling
and it's he flies out of the frame.
I always liked that.
It's like the guy hittingthe propeller in Titanic,

Anthony (01:11:34):
one thing I learned was.
The the big dude that Indy fought wasthe same, played by the same guy from the
propeller, propeller plane in Raiders.
Same Mack.
Oh, no way.
I had, I never knew that.

Nathan (01:11:47):
I didn't realize that although that's Pat Roach who played several
characters, he plays the big thuggy andI think in Temple of Doom, and he plays
the guy that gets caught up in the fan.
As well, that was wherehe's wearing some blackface.

Sam (01:12:06):
That's where Harrison Ford where he, when he's like flipping him over his
back, that's when he herniated his backin that middle of that action scene.
Must

Nathan (01:12:15):
have been

Sam (01:12:15):
fable.

Nathan (01:12:15):
There he Spielberg was known for casting multiple actors in a couple roles.
Because even in Raiders, the the actorwho, not Alfred Molina, but the other
guy that they're on the expeditionwith in that movie, the guy that
betrays him, that he turns aroundand whips the gun out of his hand.
He is, It's the guy that has the monkeyon his, the chimpanzee on his shoulder.

(01:12:39):
Same actor.
Oh wow.
You didn't have to clarify

Outro (01:12:42):
that it wasn't

Bee (01:12:43):
Alfred Molina because when Alfred Molina comes on screen, I know.
I know.
You're not fooling me.

Nathan (01:12:47):
But it's the other guy.

Sam (01:12:50):
I can see not recognizing Pat Roach at all, cause like when he's
in Temple, he has the turban and it'scompletely covered up and then in
Raiders he's bald and he's like in the

Nathan (01:12:58):
And spoiler alert, Pat Roach is in Last Crusade, but a very small role.
Their idea was for him to havea much bigger role in that
movie, but it got cut out.
But you'll see him.
Imagine me and

Bee (01:13:10):
Pat Roach like this.
He's a Nazi.
He's a Nazi.
He's a Nazi.

Nathan (01:13:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think we can take a break andwe'll get to our vault decisions
on this as soon as I pull this up.
All right.
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Okay.
Let's get to our verdicton this, our decision.

(01:14:19):
So B.
Is Temple of Doom a movie thatneeds to be saved into our vault
into the post apocalyptic times tobe seen for this few generations?
No.

Bee (01:14:36):
Not Raiders.
Hell yeah.

Nathan (01:14:42):
Okay.
Anthony, you get a vote.
You're a guest, so you always get a vote.
I'm trying to tell our, being Samthat, especially Sam here, because
he likes to save everything.
Because he thinks it'sjust like a big hard drive.
It's not.
It's, 35 and 70 millimeter prints.
And it's only like the size ofthis room, I'm trying to tell him.

(01:15:04):
So we can only save so many movies.
No.

Anthony (01:15:12):
No.
All right.
No, I can't believe I'm sayingno, but if that's the scenario and
that's the size, it's a film credit.
It

Nathan (01:15:20):
is.
We only saved so many.
High stakes.
Okay, Sam?

Sam (01:15:27):
I would save it because I like the variety, and I like the variety
of Indiana Jones, and I know you'regetting your gleeful evil moment, Nathan,
and enjoy it while it lasts, causeyou'll lose friends one day, anyway.
I'll put

Trailer (01:15:39):
it

Sam (01:15:40):
in

Trailer (01:15:40):
the ballpark.

Nathan (01:15:42):
Smiling

Sam (01:15:42):
bastard.

Nathan (01:15:43):
What

Sam (01:15:44):
if I say yes,

Nathan (01:15:46):
just to, no for all the reasons I've mentioned before, I
have major issues with the toneand the writing of this movie.
And it's, I think there's a muchbetter films in this franchise and
we're going to be watching them
at least one more.
So no.
And.

(01:16:07):
One vote out of four doesnot cut the mustard, so
Never to be watched again by anyone.

Sam (01:16:19):
I feel like I let Sam

Nathan (01:16:20):
down.

Sam (01:16:22):
Nah, you didn't, man.
You just gave Nathan his He'sbeen looking forward to this.
You gave him his evilmoment where he's I take

Nathan (01:16:30):
no pleasure.
I take no pleasure.

Sam (01:16:33):
see it in your eyes.
I see the evil glee.
No, I'm just kidding.

Nathan (01:16:37):
Of course.
We saved the great outdoors, Sam.
We did.
Oh, wait a minute.

Anthony (01:16:41):
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
I wasn't there

Bee (01:16:44):
for that episode.
I want to be clear.
I was out sick.

Anthony (01:16:48):
But save the great outdoors?
I'm changing my vote.
Yeah,

Sam (01:16:52):
there's plenty of room.
But even

Bee (01:16:53):
if It doesn't matter if you change your vote, Anthony.
It's still not a majority.

Sam (01:16:58):
It's a tie, it's

Nathan (01:16:59):
a tie.

Sam (01:16:59):
It

Nathan (01:17:00):
doesn't matter.

Bee (01:17:01):
It doesn't matter.
It's an S& E majority.

Nathan (01:17:03):
What?
Who do you think we're goingto take this to Harris?

Bee (01:17:07):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Are we going to take this toFlorida for a hanging Chad?
No, you're fine.
It's a tie.

Anthony (01:17:13):
The great outdoors.

Nathan (01:17:18):
It was two people on that podcast though, wow.
If you had shown up, I thinkit still may have gotten in.

Anthony (01:17:25):
Absolutely.
Sounds like you stacked the deck.

Nathan (01:17:29):
Yeah.

Bee (01:17:30):
Fishing with the right bait.
Ernest goes to

Nathan (01:17:32):
camp, did not go in, even though I think Sam said yes,

Sam (01:17:35):
I'm going to say no to every other Indiana Jones film now.

Nathan (01:17:38):
Okay.

Sam (01:17:39):
It's just, there's not enough space.
Like you said, it's the size of the room.
If you go by that logic, there's no space.

Nathan (01:17:45):
Sam, are you crying?
I see you wiping them out.
I am.
I'm weeping.

Sam (01:17:48):
I'm weeping.
I'm weeping tears right now, yeah.
No, actually, my eyes are itching me.

Nathan (01:17:52):
Okay,

Opening (01:17:52):
alright.

Bee (01:17:55):
Sam's I'm just allergic to your bullshit opinions.
I'm

Nathan (01:17:59):
so sorry.
Alright.
Let's do a quick movie pairings.
I have my bumper here.
Sir?

Bumper (01:18:12):
Sir?
Aren't either one of these any good?
I don't watch movies.
Have you heard anythingabout either one of them?
I find it's best to stay outof other people's affairs.
You mean you haven't heard anybody sayanything about either one of these?
Nope.
What about these two?
They suck.

Nathan (01:18:31):
Alright, movie pairings this week.
This is where each of us will picka movie as a double feature with
Indiana Jones and then Temple of Doom.
This can go in any direction.
You could do another action movieor another movie with Harrison Ford.
It could be, it's wide open.
Whatever you want to do.
Let's begin with B.

Bee (01:18:48):
I changed mine at the last minute.
I'm watching you

Nathan (01:18:51):
on the Google document.
I'm swooping

Bee (01:18:53):
in.
I'm changing it.
Because our conversation got me thinking.
1952, Gregory Peck, AvaGardner travel to Kilimanjaro.
The Snows of Kilimanjaro, basedon the Hemingway novel way
better than the Hemingway book,I think way less dark, anyway.
No, I think it's great.
It's it's beautiful to look at.

(01:19:13):
It's wonderfully shot.
But if you are into indie for theadventure aspect, if you're into indie
for the sort of super spicy, flash ina pan romances, if you're into Indy 4.
The challenge of man versus natureand man versus his own demons.
This is great.
This ticks a lot of boxes for me.

(01:19:35):
I might say it's the better movie ofthe two, but watch both, you decide.
It's on VOD.
It can be a little bit hard to find,but I watched it recently on Prime.
I think I can rent it fora couple bucks, but well

Nathan (01:19:46):
worth.
I have never seen this.
It's great.
All right.
Wow.
I want to see this.
Great.
Yeah.
Sam, you got some?
Or Anthony, let's go to you.
Anthony, you got something?
You got I think a variety four.

Anthony (01:20:02):
I do have four, so I'll give it to you.
Gotta pick one.
You wanna fight?
Nathan can pick of the four then I can't.
All right.
It's Gungadin, which was ainfluence on Temple of Doom.
So if you want to go to theDNA of Temple of Doom and bring
one of the influences to it.
Youngin African Queen.
The African Queen, TheRemlins, or Poltergeist.

(01:20:24):
Two films that everyone thinksSteven Spielberg directed
and he did not, but he did.
Exactly.
Yeah.

Nathan (01:20:33):
Oh I'm familiar with, I don't know Gunga Din, but I
know obviously the other two.
It's a lot

Bee (01:20:39):
like Templeton.
Yeah.

Nathan (01:20:40):
All right.
Great.
Sam, what do you got?

Sam (01:20:44):
Less horry and more action y, but I would definitely for if you're,
came out the same year, if you're inthe mood for another action eighties
adventure with globe trotting andset pieces, I would, and charismatic
characters, I would recommend Romancingthe Stone, Robert Zemeckis film.

Bee (01:21:02):
Hell yeah.

Sam (01:21:02):
And if you could

Bee (01:21:03):
time travel, you could do that actual double feature in the theater.

Nathan (01:21:07):
That's true.
That is true.
You could have.

Bee (01:21:10):
That would be fun.

Nathan (01:21:12):
And B, you still don't believe that Jewel Nile is a real movie?

Outro (01:21:16):
What?
No, that's some bullshit.
Sega game, don't lie to me.

Sam (01:21:21):
Jewel of Wait.
Jewel Nile is real.
That's the sequel.

Bee (01:21:24):
She doesn't believe us.
No, it's not.
It's just, it's a SegaFever dream you had on.
It's got a good it's got a good set

Sam (01:21:30):
piece with an F 18 in it, or like they're stuck in some plane or something.
No,

Bee (01:21:33):
it does Everything you're saying sounds like a movie.
That's, that your charactersin the movie are watching.
It's not real.

Sam (01:21:40):
It's not as good as the first one, but I'll give it that.

Nathan (01:21:43):
Is do you know where Romance in the Stone might be streaming?
Or is it just on VOD now?
Do you know?

Sam (01:21:48):
Oh, I'm not sure.
Let me check.
It looks like it would be on Amazon Prime.

Nathan (01:21:54):
All right.
Cool.
My movie pairing this week, I decidedto pick a film that I feel that
Spielberg and Lucas looked at as a majorinfluence in this franchise, especially
this film, probably Raiders as well.
I'm going with the mummy from 1932.
There are, there's several versions ofthe story that have been adapted to the
screen, and I do like the Brendan Fraser.

(01:22:16):
Film from the late nineties.
This one is directed byCarl, friend, German.
Thanks.
Thanks, Sam.
Assuming that's you he only directeda handful of films, but was he
was a trailblazing cinematographerof the twenties and thirties.
And I was reading about him.
I, it looks like he was the first camoperator who began using a camera free.

(01:22:40):
Using a camera free from a tripod mount.
He would walk around the setand shoot scenes with the
camera strapped to his stomach.
So if you really think about it, hewas the first guy to use a Steadicam.
So that's pretty cool.
That's neat.
Yeah.
The Mummy came a yearout after Frankenstein.
And I still think it's maybe,this might be my second favorite
of the Universal Monster movies.

(01:23:01):
I think Temple of Doom and TheMummy would make a great double
feature because you got that Templeof Doom is, by far the pulpiest.

Bee (01:23:09):
Universal Horror is a great choice for this.
Yeah.

Nathan (01:23:13):
This Temple of Doom is like the pulpiest of the franchise.
And there's so many set piecesand characters and villains paying
homage to, I feel like, The Mummy.
And you've got the archaeologicalmysticism, the trap room,
especially, foreboding templesand that subterranean lairs.
It's, yeah it's a fun pairing.
And it's unfortunately though,

Bee (01:23:35):
what the nineties version has going forward is that
everybody in that movie is hot.

Nathan (01:23:41):
Yeah, you could also go with that.
It'd be a good, but the mummyis ripping off this franchise.
That's the thing.
Yeah, it's all good.
It's all good stuff.
All good stuff.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's my pick.
All right.
Let us know anybody listening.
If you like our picks, if you might.

(01:24:02):
Pick any of these for a movie night.
All right.
Okay.
Last thing we'll do is weekly highlight.
If anybody wants to just mentionanything that they watched or did this
past week, we didn't talk about thisprior to hitting the record button.
So I don't know if anyone hasanything they want to mention.

Sam (01:24:21):
Beetlejuice.
Yeah.
It was a lot of fun.
I really enjoyed it.
Second largest September box office ever.
I was not expecting thatimpressive, huge numbers.

Nathan (01:24:32):
110 million, I think, around there.
Yeah.
It

Sam (01:24:34):
did well.

Bee (01:24:35):
I liked it.

Sam (01:24:36):
It's good.
Enjoyed it.

Bee (01:24:38):
It's good.

Nathan (01:24:43):
I didn't really get to see, I saw a few things this week, but nothing
I really, it's worth checking out.
Mentioning.
Hey, one thing I will say, I'm almostdone with my Robert Altman retrospective.
I got three films left.
That

Bee (01:24:55):
took some friggin commitment, man.

Nathan (01:24:58):
34 films.
Almost done.
Again, Anthony, I ask myself everynight, what have I done with my life?

Bee (01:25:04):
They can't all be winners.

Nathan (01:25:06):
I know.
No, they're not.
Give us the David

Sam (01:25:07):
the Dome on Nick Jr.
There's 25 episodes and there's a foxand there's, Fishes and there's trolls.
It's pretty good.

Nathan (01:25:15):
But what I do want to share a quick story.
A week ago I was visiting my doctorand this is not a story about, Oh
my, my back or anything like that.
But he was, I have had this foot issue,but what he really wanted to ask me
aren't you the guy that does a podcast?
Cause you were mentioningthat six months ago.
I don't remember doing that.
And he asked me, what'sthe name of your podcast?

(01:25:37):
And I tell him it'sback to the frame rate.
And he says, I'm traveling toMaine next week, and I really
want to listen to something.
This is not my primary, but a specialist.
And he says, I don't reallyknow how to use my iPhone.
And he hands it to me.
And can you get my,your podcast subscribed?

(01:25:58):
Can you subscribe to it on my iPhone?
So a doctor with all of his contactsand personal stuff on there hands
me his iPhone and I'm like goingthrough it, subscribing our podcast.
That's awesome.
So it's just really funny that we, Iguess our relationship is a little closer
than maybe doctor patient should, but Ijust, that was really funny that I ended

(01:26:20):
up subscribing our podcast to my doctor.
That's awesome.
Yeah.

Sam (01:26:25):
So go on to the notes section to see if he typed any banking
codes or anything like that.

Bee (01:26:31):
I was going to say if he recruits like four more of his friends, we can
say four out of five doctors recommend.

Nathan (01:26:36):
Oh, that'd be great.
Yes, if you're listening , I don't know.
But
that's all.
Not the best story, butI thought that I love it.
I got a kick outta that he trustsme enough to hand me over his phone.
I love it.
That's all I got.
I'll tell, I, I watched, Ifinally watched that Mark Wahlberg

Bee (01:26:54):
movie, Arthur the King with the dog where he's a runner.
Oh, okay.
Or like a triathlete.
And he goes and wants it.
It just, I.
I had a movie day yesterday.
I was watching Temple of Doom.
I watched a bunch of, Temple of Doom,I watched a bunch of other movies and
that was one of them and it weirdlyjust made Temple of Doom the second
movie I saw that had like a scary bridgemoment, which I just didn't expect.

(01:27:17):
I should watched, shouldhave watched the pairing.

Sam (01:27:20):
You should watched Bridge, you should have watched
Bridge to Tara Bia after that.

Bee (01:27:24):
Oh man, that's a, oh wow.
So fucking, that's a bummer.

Sam (01:27:32):
Because she drowns.

Bee (01:27:34):
Spoiler!

Sam (01:27:36):
Sorry!

Nathan (01:27:38):
Alright Jesus!
Next week we've got Indiana Jonesand the Last Crusade Anthony, Wh,
where, anything you want to plug?
Anything you want to mentionwhere people can find you?
I think I had some

Anthony (01:27:51):
things but my mind went completely blank the minute you said
you were having problems with your Face.
foot.
I think I just like mentally shut down.

Nathan (01:27:58):
No,

Anthony (01:28:05):
I want to plug back to the frame rate.
Subscribe.
Share Nathan's podcast

Bee (01:28:12):
recommended by four out of five doctors in Massachusetts.
Recommended by one out of two.

Nathan (01:28:23):
All my doctors to get on that page.
Best podcast

Sam (01:28:27):
ever.

Nathan (01:28:29):
Follow Anthony Ambrosino, all of his film endeavors.
He does good work and you can probablyfind everything he's done on IMDb.
Any, is there a website, Anthonyor any people want to contact you?
It's fine.
Okay.

Anthony (01:28:45):
People want to contact me.
Give me a call.
I'm easy to find.

Nathan (01:28:54):
Sounds good.
All right, then that's it.
That's our show this week.
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