Shazia and Tarun Do a Podcast - Episode 1

Shazia and Tarun talk about all things Hollywood

Episode Transcript

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Okay, much better. This isall staying in, by the way,
it's all what it's all staying in? Oh? Good, good it should
Oops. How is your Sunday good? Easy? So far? And just
so people know, Shazia Dean isin Texas, Shazi Pascal, Yeah,

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yes, I am in Texas.Then the Loan State, the lone Star
State. Maybe we should start byjust setting this up a bit. I
talked to you like at least oncea week, and I was like,
I was like, instead of uhburning our conversations on the phone, let's
use this for mask consumption so therest of the world can enjoy uh acting

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euroticism not how to describe it,co median acting. That's valid. Yeah,
it's always good when we talk andwere able to get out what's on
our minds, because you're right,it takes another person in the industry to
really understand what's going on in ourminds or else regular people which just think
we're crazy. Maybe we are.How was your twenty twenty four starting off?

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Crazy? Really? Are are youauditioning? Yes, yes, I'm
auditioning. Yesterday had to be amaid. I'm like, how did I
go from like super hot girl toa role for the Maid. It just
you know, nothing makes sense.But you're still hot. I mean,

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come on, you're still hot.You're gonna still go out for hot rolls
and milk rolls. Now, Yeah, I guess that's I don't know.
I know, I don't see thosedarn. I get the Maid, and
then I got like, I hada commercial audition I had to film yesterday.
So it's busy. It's busy,but yeah, I went out for

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a role recently that was pretty cool. It was like playing Mother Earth.
I just so people know, likewe've done a lot of work together in
movies and web series and stuff,and I've always admired like like what you've
done of like you've always like doneyour own thing, never like tried to
chase this path of oh I've gotto be in LA and follow this route

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that everybody else is doing, whichI feel like I've done but nobody really
respects that. But I feel likeyou've done that really well. You've always
been on his own trajectory. Butwe were talking yesterday about asking people for
help, because in this line ofwhat we do, you sive to like
ask people for favors and stuff.Could you share a little bit about like

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what you meant by that. Ifeel like, well, yesterday we were
talking about how we have these friendsthat are in high places within our entertainment
industry, and I said, haveyou ever asked for one of them to
like hook you up or work ona project with you? And you were
like, no, I said,I haven't either. I've never done that

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huge producers. You know, I'vebeen sitting with big casting directors and I've
never asked them to, you know, to work to collaborate. I don't
know why I feel uncomfortable asking them. So you and I were sharing that
we're both in the same boat.However, I feel like if you don't

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ask, you don't get so arewe missing something? Like what is there
to lose by asking? I guessI feel humiliated by asking for help.
I mean like, if I can'tdo it on my own, then I
think. I think it's like theIndian way of approaching things. I always
feel like we should be able toself generate this stuff in our own life

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and self manifest this stuff. Ifwe can't do it, then we don't
deserve it, or I don't deserveit. But I see people in the
industry and tell me if I'm wrong. The people you saw when you were
living here, and I like,because I know you were in LA for
a long time, they have noqualms about asking for help or putting themselves
in positions, right, I mean, I can't even tell. I've known

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girls in the industry just be like, Oh, I'm gonna ask so and
so to help me with a downpayment. But I don't like what Yeah,
I mean, I don't. Butit worked out. It works for
them, I don't. It's hardfor me too. Yeah, maybe there's
a little bit of humiliation there,and there's maybe a fear of rejection or

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ruining that relationship, like what theysay no and then I don't have a
friend anymore. But I don't know. I don't know. That's it's tough
because some of them could have reallychanged the course of my career. If
you were in a position, wouldyou help others, like, say you
were like some a list star,not saying you're not a starbuck, say

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you were like Jennifer Lopez level,would you go out of your way to
help other people? I always helptheir people to the capacity that I can,
right, Like if I was,I think that it's hard to because
you, and I know that theydon't always hold the final say. Like
I can be friends with a castingdirector, but she doesn't hold the final

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say right. There's a whole teamof producers and directors that have to all
agree on it. And so forme, I would help people as much
as I can. Always have youdone that in the past. I currently
now mentor a couple of models thatare have moved to LA and I help

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them. I'm helping them navigate theirheadshots, their portfolio, their agents,
their managers, their auditions. SometimesI help them with self tape. So
I am actively mentoring these gals andI don't charge for it. I am
literally helping. I'm not, youknow, making money off of it.

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I think we both made good moneymodeling, but I think you made way
more money than I did as asa model. But would you want your
kids going into this business? Idon't want to talk abou your kids,
but would you want your family goinginto this business as a print model and
then acting? Not in twenty twentythree, No, it's changed. Would

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I help them? You know,fifteen years ago, when people were making
prap ton money modeling and doing commercials, perhaps if I could be there and
I could keep some of the uglyaway, but where the industry is now,
no would I wouldn't want. Iactually had this conversation with my husband

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this morning with about my daughters becauseyou know, you know, Stuart's like
an amazing golfer, right, andso we were talking about passing down our
gifts and talents to our kids,like do we think they have the same
gifts that we have? And Isaid, you know, maybe they maybe
they are good actors. I seeit in my youngest daughter, but I

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don't want to push her into thatcareer because it's just getting harder and harder
to make the kind of living thatyou know, you dream about making as
an actor. It's it's just goneher those days. And so and so
my husband's got both the girls andthey're out playing golf right now. Let's
work on your gift with them.But isn't everything about like kind of just

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getting to that lucky opportunity. Imean, really, there's so many like
models who I do back in theday, who just got through certain points
so they could get to an actingthing, so they can get to another
point, you know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, it's always a
ladder. It's not always like astraight up and down ladder, but there
is a ladder for sure. Youknow. I used to meet these these

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old guy models on these shoots,and there were like these grizzled people and
they were just kind of doing theirown thing on the shoot, you know,
like these models are like all thebubble and stuff, and these guys
playing like the Grandfather or whatever.They'd be like just out of it,
and I've picked their brain and I'dfind these really interesting backstories. I'm sure

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you have the same experiences. Andthese guys were like eyah, I modeled
in Paris for twenty years and man, the money was fucking good now with
shit, and I was like,oh my god, like this is I
was like I got to get outof this business. Like just you see
these people. But then you hearlike Ashton Kutcher and stuff who were like
models, and then they this islike unrelatable topic to like audience. It's

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about me saying this is what itis. But then you see like like
the total dynamic of guys who wenton become these A list stars. So
I feel like a lot of it'sjust a lot of timing, but you
have to be able to push yourselfto be an actor, you've got to
be auditioning, which I think youdo. I mean, look at your
back right now. You can beauditioning for anything right now. Like you
always come ready, though I alwayscome ready. I always give a hundred

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percent. Let me tell you Iwas totally wrong for that made job yesterday,
that audition I did, but Ibrought my a game. I nailed
it, but I wouldn't cast mein it because I've also, excuse me,
I've worked on the casting side.Listen, when you when the person
walks in and you see the orthe when you see their self tape,

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you know right away you know,you know if they're just fit the part,
so that it's like, am Igoing to watch this? And so
you know, I don't think Ifit what they were looking for. I
read the script. I'm like,but I brought my a game, And
for me, it's more about showingthe casting director that I'm a professional.

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I know what I'm doing and Ialways give one hundred percent. So yeah,
I think that's that's part of amindset that you have to have.
So does the fans, because Iknow you have your fans, but like,
don't you miss like living the glamourlife in La of like, oh
my god, Shazia, you know, here's your paparazzi, Because I think

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that's people think LA is like fora lot of actors and models, Like
you don't have that desire at all. I think I'm just in a different
phase of life that you know Imissed, Like like right before I left
LA, there was this random nightthat I went out. I was at
this hot spot restaurant and next tome was an a lister that's like huge.

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Next thing, you know, we'rehanging out. Next thing, you
know, we're like, He's like, you guys want to come hear me
play. I'm going to this otherplace that I'm going to be playing the
drums and singing, and we endedup being his like VIP guest. And
those type of random nights where you'resuddenly like you went out to dinner,
but you're coming home and you're likeI just hung out with Wait what just

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happened? That was really fun.So those type of random things that happened,
I think I miss those. Butother than that, no, I
don't miss the fast paid hamster wheelthat is Los Angeles and that person was
Raga by the way that you ranDacy Singer got Anyways, it's a bad

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joke. Yeah, I'm saying.I'm just saying because I think we lived
in two different planets. But whenI talk to you, you're more at
peace. You sound like you knowlike I don't. But then I also
think because you have a family andstuff, you know, Wow, yeah,
you know what. I feel like. I auditioned more than I was
in LA the last few years there. I auditioned a ton here because I'm

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covering more markets. You know,I have got Atlanta, I've got Florida,
I'm a Colorado agent, and thenI'm doing all of Texas, Oklahoma,
Louisiana. So yeah, I'm busier. And I think that COVID really
changed the way we audition and selftapes became more of a norm, which

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then opened up the industry for mebecause a part of me thought, you
know what, I'm going to moveto Texas and I think I have to
retire, like I'm going to bedone. What am I going to do
in Texas? And then I bookedDescendant Sports, So it's like, Okay,
I don't know. I guess I'mstill working what is descendant sports?
What is that descendants for? Oh? Oh, I know that's a Disney

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thing you did, all right.See. I also think you always have
a very very universal look, likenobody thinks I'm Mexican. I mean really,
but you could pass for Latina Dacy. You can cross a lot of
bridges. Don't you think that hasa lot to do with your success?
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, Iget cast for a lot of different ethnicities.

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For sure. I want to beI want to represent my culture,
you know. I want to showthat that they don't you know, we
don't all look one way. Well, aren't they saying that like diversity's in
right now? I mean it's not. Oh yeah, that's all. That's
it. That's it. I justcalled a friend of mine and he's like,
uh, he's he used to bea pretty big comic, but like

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he kind of just I don't sayhe faded out, but like it's just
different now. But I was tellinghim, dude, you were like the
Asian Dang cook back in the day, and I was like, if this
was just today, you'd be likehuge. But it's just timing, Like
everything in life is timing, andI don't know make it's all about showbiz,
but like everything in life, whetheryou're a doctor or a lawyer,

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you know, like when you apply, like certain stars have to align for
opportunities to emerge. Yeah, youbeing at the right place at the right
time, and the circumstances all beingin your favor, and then you're like,
wow, I could just sit backand this thing is going. I
think that you and I got intothe industry at a time where it was

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harder. We were like, youknow, what about the brown people,
Like why are we not represented inyou know, why does it have to
be a specific role written for anIndian person? That's so stereotypical, and
that's what we're cast as. Whycan't we just be the person who works
at the market. We don't workat the mall. We don't like where

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were we out of those shows?And so I think that it was harder
for us, but we did pavethe way. I mean, you see
brown people now in everyday roles onTV. But you know, back then,
even like when I was twenty five, it was just the excitement of
being in the industry, which like, because I think ignorance is bliss,

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right, because this wasn't obviously it'sa different market now, and it's gonna
be different in ten years from now, Like who knows what's going to happen
ten years from now. So likewe lived in that moment in time,
and at least you can say thatyou're part of the four front of Oh
yeah, boards, Well, Ithink the CEOC was ahead of its time.

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Oh the web series, Yeah,I guess. But I mean there's
always going to be you know,they sy stuff out there, and you
watched you watch Bollywood stuff. Ihave just had a re emergence into Bollywood
films, you know. I watcheda ton as a child with my family
and then I kind of just steeredaway. And then I watched this documentary

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on Netflix called The Romantics. Didyou see that? It's Oh my goodness,
I just bawled through the whole thing. It's all about Bollywood and Dacey
Semina cinema and how far it's comeand where it kind of started and who
the heavy hitters were and what andthe shift in Bollywood with the movies with

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it was just so good. AndI started watching They See movies again recently,
So it's been good. Stu.You already mentioned Stu, So it's
fair game. Now your husband,you guys watch the Bollywood documentary together?
Yeah, yeah, we did,and now my kids and I are watching
Bollywood films. My kids are notyou know, they're half They don't speak

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Hindi. I do, so it'sfun for me to watch with them and
they're picking up on words. It'sreally neat. Was it a choice for
you not to speak Hindy to yourkids growing up? I hope this isn't
game too personal, so let meknow. I'm back off with your family.
I think it's hard when you livein America and you marry some you

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know, my husband's from Scotland.He speaks English, and so it was
really hard for me to just speakHindi or do to them. I wish
I would have, but I meanI do here and there and they know
little words. But yeah, it'sit's a shame. Well, I have
two nephews that speak Hindi and thenall my other nieces and nephews nobody speaks

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it. But your parents spoke Handyto you at home. Only they speak
English to me. So how doyou learn English? Threes? Company?
Company? So your first words werelike Jack, get out of the shower
or something. Yeah, yeah,it was Larry. Yeah, but no

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really. My parents did learn tospeak English watching uh like comedies in the
eighties, but I was too whenwe moved to America, so I kind
of learned both languages. I'm hostingon this Indian show right now, and
and I get so freaked out I'mgoing to mispronounce the handy words. Right.
There's nobody I can even talk toyou. Because even there's nobody I

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can really just check stuff. SoI got to call you now and ask
I'm just saying these words right,because don't want to be on TV mispronouncing
the words. I guess we werecalled donkey, d u n k I
And I wasn't sure if I wassaying that right. Are you talking about
Dunnuck? No, no, donkey, I'm like totally pronounce the movie.
But I checked it with the executproducer of the show. She said,

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I said it right, Okay,I don't know. I just watched Dunnach,
which was really good. About theBlind Boy, Yeah, it's a
comic. I think from a meritfrom a casting standpoint, like you'd be
perfect for the Daisy Worlds because youactually have embodied both worlds. But I
can see, because I remember we'vetalked before about your frustrations and they could

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be like, well, this girldoesn't look Indian enough, blah blah blah,
that whole thing. So you know, I hope you have like a
re emergence, which sounds like youare in Texas with Descendants and stuff.
Yeah, but not Daisy girl,you know what I mean. Like,
I just booked Gartina Sanchez in amovie and then and then I played Princess

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Chasman, who's kind of you know, iconic. She's not Indian, but
she but the guy who they castis Aladdin was also Indians, so that
was kind of cool. Oh,in the Broadway play Eladdin or the oh
the TV show Descendants four, it'sall about the Disney princesses and they're yeah,

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I have to watch the sentence fourIs it out yet? No?
Watch Descendants one, two, andthree? Is it out? Is it
out? Yes? Okay? Sorry, I'm not a big Disney guy.
So those are those were my kidsfavorite movies, so like two years in
a row they dressed up as Descendantscharacters. So when I booked this,
you can imagine the chaos of screamingthat was happening in my house. And

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so when I got to set,the first thing I did the first day
is I went up to Fairy Godmotherand China and McLean and I was like,
you guys have to FaceTime my daughtersare going to lose their minds,
And so they FaceTime them and theseare their favorite stars and their phone is

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ringing for mommy and there's these Descendantstars being like Athena. Okay, so
it was pretty epic. I wouldsay it's my favorite role I booked simply
because of my kids being such hugefans of the of the show, of
the movies. Where did you shootit? Atlanta? Two weeks in Atlanta?

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That was hard? That was hard? So you might could you be
like our current character for Descendants five? Then I am Princess Jasmine. Are
you gonna come back? I meanI hope. So that's a huge thing.
Well blows up, so people watchthis more? Well, yeah,

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well, Princess Jasmine is now amom and she has children in the high
school. So that's what the wholeseries is about. Is like it takes
Cinderella and Jasmine and and like allthe princesses, Beauty and the Beast,
like, but we're all parents nowand so now it's our the generation being
need this. That's that that arethe stars. Do you feel like you

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would have booked this role if youwere living in La No, so,
I mean look at Texas. Thenit's opened up doors for you. I
mean so, I feel like it'salmost like this invisible thread pulling you to
Texas to because we've had this talkabout acting and stuff, and I'm like,
I can't stand it sometimes, butyou keep going. You always just

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kept going like a machine, whichI think is the most important quality.
Darn I try and leave it.Every few years, I'd like I'm done.
I am so done. I don'tlike I'm like always the last.
I always go to producers. It'sbetween me and another person. You know.
It's like Fox is like, no, we're looking for a show for

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you, and then nothing. SoI'm like, every few years I get
actor burnout. It's so real andI'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of
that actor burnout right now. Andit's like I'm like, I'm done,
I can't do this anymore. Andthen somehow, some way somebody calls and
they're like, no, but thiscasting director is looking for you, or

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like when I moved to Texas.It was my old acting coach who was
like, SHAWSI are you in thewoodlands, I'm or you know, where
are you? I live in Texas? Like, let's let's get you going.
I was like, oh, no, I'm I'm done. I'm retired,
and he's like, no, no, I have an agent that's going
to love you. And that's howI ended up booking Descendants. Yeah.
Well, I feel like you've alwaysbeen working. I feel like even even

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when you say you're going to quit, you've never really stopped, which I
think is a big part of yoursuccess. So I mean, did you
tell it to your mentees? Ido tell them that the journey is hard,
and that it's the ladder is not, you know, just a vertical
ladder, and that you got tojust keep climbing one foot in front of

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the other. Always do something everyday that's for your career or you know,
and for but also fulfills you likewhat you know. For me,
I like to I can listen toa podcast. I like listening to podcasts
that other actors are talking about theirjourney. So I try and put aside

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sometime that is a dedication towards mycreativity and my career even when I have
actor burnout, because actor burnout tome is burnout from not booking. Right,
It's not that I don't like actinganymore. I love the craft,
I love storytelling, I love ourindustry. When I have burnout, it's

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because I've just been going at itand auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, being
put on hold, being put onhold, and then I'm not having that
much to show for it in anygiven amount of time, and so that's
when I get burnout. Well doyou miss I mean the LA scene,
because I think that's a big partof living in LA's surrounded by other people

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in the industry, right, Imean, that's the whole appeal. You
know, when I was living inFlorida for for like almost two years,
and I would tell these young comedians, you know, the big part,
the big reason I'm living in LAis being around other comedians. Were kind
of hustling, and that's where youlike meet relationships, your currency to move
up in the world. Right.I mean, you obviously have a resume

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behind you, but don't you missthat or is that just not even a
part of the equation. I domiss. I do miss that there are
not as many creatives here. Icertainly can't just grab lunch with someone.
Recently, though, this gal thatwas in the Hot Chick with me?
What's the Hot Chick? Was theRob Schneider movie I was in? Okay,

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you don't remember the Hot Chick?I do you remember the Hot Chake?
For people who who don't know?So you weren't there, You weren't
you were like Hot Chick number twoor something? You were. I was
the princess who makes the ear rings. That's right. I think I think
you have and the princess characters likeyou will get the I play some kind

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of royalty. I don't know.It's interesting to like brand yourself and like
I've been I did some one ofthese like classes where they're like you walk
in the room and all you're gonnado is introduce yourself like you're gonna do
your slate, and then everyone inthe room has to give their like three
words that they think you are.Have you done one of these exercises?

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Probably, and it was a brandingsession, But I think I had done
this and I hate I hated it. I hated it. So what what
was yours? So? I meanit was so consistent that they were like
wealthy wife royalty or like snooty wifecharacters like Trophy. You're like, we

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haven't started the exercise yet, orI can just so they you. Well.
The crazy thing is is you knowme and there's just like a geek
living and side of me like I'ma nerse like I'm silly, I'm goofy,
I'm funny. I don't want Idon't know what. I don't match

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the inside doesn't because people make judgments. That's just how we are. I
was wanting to be like a funnycomedian, but like nobody ever saw men.
I don't know if I'm even funnytoday, but like people assume I'm
more like an office person. SoI can see why people put you in
this box. Unless you really getto know Shasia, it's hard to you
don't get that, Yeah, yeahit was. It's been hard for me

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to book comedic stuff. But Ifeel like this year, like my agents
in Atlanta really get that. Theyreally get me, like they're like,
yeah, she does comedy, andthe casting director is because Atlanta was like
the new market for me, Iwas able to come in and be like,
Okay, I'm going to tell youwho I am. We're la They've

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just known me for so long.These casting directors that they like in their
minds, they have an idea ofwho I am. And so I was
able to kind of reinvent myself onthe East Coast and I am getting the
quirky, funny, comedic roles andthat's that is. That has been fun.
But like I said, it's beena lot too. That's a way

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smaller box. I mean, eventhinking now like me and girls or something
like like the funny hot girl,like that's that's a way smaller box.
And in my opinion, and Ifeel like they I mean, I can
think of like frumpy fat girls whoare like two and a half men,
when Charlie Sheen would be dating likea hot, funny model or something.
But I'm saying, like that's sucha specific type of role, which I

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know you probably kill it, butit's it's so hard to like put those
two. For some reason, peoplejust think, oh, you're funny,
you've gotta look a certain way.You know, absolutely totally. It's like
you're Indian, you're playing an Indianrole. You gotta look a certain way
if you're playing a funny role,you have to look a certain way.
It's it's been weird, but Ido think it's changed. It's changed these

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last few years. I mean,like COVID did something I don't know changed
people. I mean, has changedso much in the last four years.
Because I also work on the otherside too, you know, like I've
never in my career and like you, we wear many hats, right,
Like you're a director, you're awriter, you're an actor, you're a
comedian, you're a producer. Andso I too have worked similarly like I've

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been a producer, I've been adirector, I've been an actor, and
I've been an agent and that andcasting. I've worked in casting. So
I think it's important to work allsides because you really get an understanding for
the pulse of the industry and yousee it differently. You don't take things
personally. You start having this reallybig perspective of it and it's not all

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about like you. You start tosee the bigger machine that goes into this,
And I think that's also important forpeople to get outside of just what
they think they should be doing orwhat you know, all of that and
flex risk it, flex it.Yeah, well, for me, I

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have to do out of necessity.It's not because I really want to do
all this, even like now I'mlike, oh, I gotta be shooting
stuff. I don't really want toshoot stuff. It's just because you have
to otherwise you're going to sink inthe water. But competitive. But if
I was working like non, Ithink I have this conversation with a friend
of mine, like, if you'reworking in a certain direction, you're just
gonna move. Like, you know, if I was hired on staff to

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right person show, I wouldn't botherwith anything else and be like just put
everything into because you just want tokill it wherever you are getting For me,
if I'm getting paid to do something, I want to make sure I'd
kill it every time. So thatway there's no reason not to get rid
of me. I see that.Well. I mean going back to what
I said was the industry has changedin four years, is now it's like
everything's online, and so now youhave to have this sudden online presence that

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when I started out that was nota thing. I mean it was you
know, So what's stopping you fromdoing that? What having an online presence?
Yeah? Making videos online and stuff. I don't know, I guess
it's just time dedicating time to it. I suppose would be. I mean
you go to only fans and makelike a million dollars tomorrow, Shasi,

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lets be real. I mean youcould totally do that if you wanted to.
Yeah, well you're like, no, no, I didn't. I
didn't. I didn't sell out.Back in the day, I had some
I had some opportunities. Let's justsay present. Tell us one opportunity where
you could have sold out and youpassed it up. I had a few

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times, very very prominent figures inHollywood. Now we're getting into it.
Propose, say, listen, ifyou were my girlfriend, I would make
you famous. And I said yeah, I was like no, I'm going
to do it myself. And therewas girls there. You know, I

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was working on a job with thisguy and he there was gals there that
were like what are you doing?Like he will set you up, you
will be famous, Like why don'tyou want to date him? And I
was like, because I'm not attractedto him. Yeah yeah, you know,
leaving that whole Harvey Weinstein stuff likeobviously got busted, but think about
about all the people who did sleepwith him, like we're just seeing the

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slice of people who rejected him.Imagine all the people, and he's one
of many. And this is Iknow, I know someone who was.
I know someone who went to hisoffice in New York City. I read
for him, and my agent toldme, don't make eye contact with him.

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You're going in for the callback,You're going for the producer session.
Harvey's gonna be the don't make eyecontact with them. I was like,
why, I didn't know. Ididn't book the part. Maybe because I
didn't make eye contact with him,but thank goodness, Well, if you
are moderately good looking, and Ithink it goes for you guys too.
I think guys also. I mean, I mean my hat. I was

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hit on my gay photographers for photographers, but I wasn't proposed like that.
I think it's just that you haveto navigate the stuff. That's why having
a good team around you is reallyimportant. People don't really understand how important
it is, Like doing the solo. You're just so naive in your twenties,

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you don't really know, which isexactly why I'm mentoring these models.
If I would have had me,I think that my career would have been
even better. I'm happy with mycareer. I think that you're just in
like a major Disney series. I'mhappy. I'm happy. But you know,
I have friends that are on likelong running TV shows that started out

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the same time I did, rightlike I had, So I had friends
that we all went different ways.So don't get me started. Famous friends
are like the band of my existence, just because you just see them all
the time, like Jesus Christ,and you wish them well. But at
the same time you were like,why really, why you know? I

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mean, it's look at listen.When Athena was born, my firstborn,
I had her at Cedars and rightthere in Beverly Hills. And guess who
came to see me the first daythat I had her. Every Weinstein Taylor
Sheridan and his wife Nicole. Theywere friends of mine. We were pregnant
at the same time. His wifeand I would meet up for lunch all
the time, and so he waskind of he was an acting coach.

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All went to him for like actingfor auditions. We coach coach. Yeah,
he was an act He was theacting coach that we were all referred
to. Nicole and I had thesame agent and Alex and that's how I
met Nicole, and that's how Nicolemet Taylor. He was she was in
his acting class and so but youknow, and then you see them go

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on and and like Jill Wagner,who was one of my really good friends.
We modeled together, and then shewas with Ashton Kutcher on that uh,
that hidden camera show, and andnow she's produced a show with Taylor,
And I'm like, again, thisgoes back to like this whole why
this whole conversation started. Why don'tI pick up the phone and asked Nicole

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and Taylor to throw me in ona show. Yeah, I don't feel
comfortable doing that. Well, youcan always ask me shuts and I will.
I'll put you in my my Instagramstories anytime you want you in my
Instagram stories. Now, if Iwas creating show, you better believe you
would be in it. How anythingyou want to add us wrapping this up?

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No, I think that you shouldask, though I'm going to tell
other people to go ahead and askall their friends to help them out.
Maybe not say help me out,but like, hey, we should collaborate.
When are we going to do somethinglike just say it like that?
Like so when do we get todo something together and see what happens,
because if you don't ask, youdon't get. And I'm going to try

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and follow that too. That's that'sthe hard thing for me, Shas.
I will talk to you probably tenminutes. I'll call you Okay, happy
to everyone. We'll see you guysnext time. Take care. Bye,