July 27, 2025 • 56 mins
Dylan and Pat are joined by Kate Casey to break down giant prosperity buildings, grilled cheese, Phil, Ryan's fashion and more from Bravo's RHOC.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There. We should note that it's like, what the likely
scenario is that Pat has driven to go pick the
child up from the dice game and put the cigarette
butts out. But me and Kate are gonna finish this
episode strong.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So, by the way, is he kirsty as he goes?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah? Is he like?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back, I'm
gonna try to talk him off the ledge, okay, because
this is.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Never How can we play prank on him? Well? Can
we do? That's so funny? Like he jumps back in
the chair and then we know what we could do.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We could you know, you could send him a text
and I could send him a text and separate text
and just talk about, you know, really have blown away.
We are at how our professional Hi loan. Welcome to
(01:00):
the brands banking new episode of bad Television. My name
is Dylan and that is just a guy named Pat.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Hey, So, Ruby has been driving the highways and byways
of the East Coast. She's been traveling from Virginia all
the way up through the states Delaware among them, Oh
nice and Kate please Delaware among them. She drove through
(01:30):
Maryland and had a wicked thunderstorm encounter, so she was
going to arrive a little bit late. But in her absence,
in her absence, luckily enough for us, we have none
other than, I would say, the queen of reality television.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm going to go there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm going to go there with myself too. It's none
other than k Casey.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you. I grew up very close to the Delaware line.
It is a good place, tax free, good times.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You understand why I had to say please. I'm trying
to build up to a Christopher Nolan kind of suspenseful reveal,
not like the episode title isn't going to say your
name right anything. They don't, they don't read them. Hey,
what's going on, Kate?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I have a big question for you. Yeah, now that
you are a father, do you look at these Housewives
shows differently?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No? No, I'm I'm unmoved. I've I've felt as though
they were you know, the Housewives are interesting there. It's
it's odd because they look like humans, but they're probably
a million years behind us an evolution. It's it's odd.
It's like they're still they're mud creatures essentially, and that
has not changed you know, pre and post breeding. Yeah,
(02:45):
these people are quite disgusting. But listen, before we get
into things. Everybody listened to Reality Life, go to go
to the Patreon.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What do you got coming up?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
What do you got coming out?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh? My god, so much? Well, you know, I put
out a list every week of what to watch. People
can go to Katecasey dot substack dot com and sign
up and you get a list every week of what
to watch. So one good thing, like a couple of
things to look forward to. The yogurt shop murders is
gonna be on August third, and that is a story.
If anybody watches Dateline in forty eight hours, you're going
(03:21):
to know this case for girls that were killed as
they were closing up this frozen yogurt shop in Austin, Texas.
And they arrested these two young men and then they
released them a couple of years later. So that's like
one of those true crime case doc series.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That it's it's such a it's such a funny.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's like having your head cut off at disney Land,
unless you fall off.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Matter horn well, or you're on thunder Mountain.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And we've said okay times another show I think you
might like is I really liked it. It's called hit
Makers on Netflix, and they go to these songwriting camps
that I didn't really know much about. Pat this is
up your ally, and the people that they cast are
actual real songwriters. It's like a competition show.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But like they look like in the pods.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, they have this couple that wrote Butter that BTS
song that's so popular, and anyway, they have like John
Legend and these other shabboozies that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The name sh Shabozi.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
They come in and they so these three teams they
present the song that they wrote for the artists, but
you get to see the whole process of how they
work together and write the song. It's like what I
like about it is you get a window into someone's
like mad genius. M I liked it. That's a good one.
And then the Billy Joel documentary.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You watch I have and I feel like I've seen
a million already did.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Don't you know about the whole Attila thing. In the
beginning of his life, Attila he was in a band
called Atilla Tilla, and then he he moved in with
the other band member and then fell in love with
the guy's wife. Oh yeah, and then married her and
then married her. But before they married he tried to
kill himself numerous times because he were so depressed.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The tear and he's a drunk. Really yeah. There's another doc.
It's called Hired Gun and they interview all like side
musicians of famous people. His whole backup band was on
that doc. Hat his fucking guys.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Really well, he is very very day.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What is that Hired Guns? It's great doc. I actually
worked for one of the guys in it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We are We could talk about docs all day, especially
with these two kooky cats.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Last question, did you guys watch.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I? Did Kate look all right? So Amy Bradley and
the news reporter. The audience loves this and the news
forgive me. I forgot her name already?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, oh Jo, who's in truth?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's right? So Dateline that is a silly name. If
you listen to Josh Mankowitz talk and he's one of
the hosts of of Dateline, he had said they intentionally
stopped doing stories that had no ending because the audience
was very frustrated. When you know, clock fifty nine minutes
the episode ends and they go, well, we don't know,
and so those two docks end that way.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah. Hey, have you ever seen Prisoners the movie? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I liked that, Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, you've never seen Prisoners?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I watch movies.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well you want to who done it? Murder Kidns?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Pretty good one.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's a freaking one. That's a heavy one. But listen,
nothing is heavier than the lives of these women, which
are all in torment. We have children co signing student
loans for seventy thousand dollars a year universities. We have
massive prosperity gospel media buildings being gutted and hosting Heather
de Bro's you know whatever birthday this episode. You know,
(06:41):
I was speaking of poopy Pants before I got here,
and I'm sorry the poopy Pants won't be joining us
because I think that. I know we're only three episodes in,
but I think it is the best episodes so far
the season. This was a really really good episode.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh you're already given your oranges?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought it was really good and
I'm pretty positive about it. I give it one hundred tits.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You give it a hundred booths? Yeah, all right, Kate,
what do you give this episode?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Fifteen?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Fifteen boobs.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That is not a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's not a lot. I guess I liked it more
than both of you, So I'm gonna gave it a hundred. Now,
oh you gave it a hundred. You dead? Sorry? Sorry,
she gave fifteen. I had a brain booth.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There are you on freaking loomy right now?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Now? No, no, no, no, I'm trying to choose my words correctly, wisely.
Here Kate is friends with some of these people who.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Cares well, am I though I know them?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, Katie, she is so sketchy. She I was sharing
Shannon Badoor's sentiment at the tail end of this episode
when she called her evil and said, there's something wrong
with you mentally.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
She's just just worse than tear me.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, but you know what, all those women record each other,
so that was like a little bit over the top
for me. I'm like, you think Shannon Badora has not
videotape people, Well, the.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Important veg is to not get caught.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
She got caught, as did that knock ahead on All
Do It.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well? Cindy lu who on Salt Lake City?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Who is like Jen is the more mature version of her,
But just as doomed for ruin. I would say Jen
is the.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Way to like, we've forgotten the fact that she had
three skittles in her bank account last season, the guy
like may go to prison, Like we forgot about that.
Now we're being presented like they're the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah yeah, well I don't believe that for that, And
I also don't think they're gonna get married.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah yeah. But also Jen's telling people like, listen, don't
lower your ethical standards by the people that are around you.
You're you're married to criminals. It's like crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I loved when he's given advice to uh, what's her
youngest son's name, Uh, Dawsons, Yeah, Dawson and uh and
then Ryan jumps in there. He's like, yeah, you know,
you gotta, you know, work out your finances and make
sure and like he should have just turned them and said,
didn't you want Beezzel twelve million dollars a fucking snake.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You gotta meet the right baseball players, you gotta meet
good ones, young ones.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Dawson's the only one they could pay enough to like
agree to be on camera. I'm convinced of it.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And what Ryan, My god, I'm so excited to talk
about Ryan. What a grease ball, what a camera hore.
I mean, can you imagine having surgery and then going
to a party the next day that the person doesn't
want you at? Yeah, I mean if I had knee surgery,
I'd be in bed with dim Sum and Yellowstone. Not
I don't watch Yellowstone, but you take the point.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Anyways, we got to get on the show, all right,
So I'm giving my my injections.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, so that's from eighty Yeah, sorry, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't bring that, Okay, don't bring that here.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay. I think she is one of the worst human
beings on this show. She's not good at everything that
she tries, and we still don't know a lot about
her past. She's got like fucking a kid on every
continent living somewhere that she doesn't raise. Sure she has
that pass where she like filed a false police report
and then like had a civil suit against her while
(10:10):
I need explanations of of this this past that we
have yet to hear. And then she's constantly lying, she's
constantly manipulating, she's content, Like think about how she came
onto the show last year and we didn't know that
she was always full of it. Her storyline where she
was going for Heather to bro and Terry with she
knew a TMC reporter that said that they called in
(10:30):
the paparazzi and she never had any evidence of that.
It was like hearsay, She's tried that three more times.
I'm glad that she's getting what's hers.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Newcomers a couple of mistakes they like go over the
top and the way they and they dress like you
see that Stephanie in Real Housewives in Miami. They are
sloppy with their investigative adjacent work, and they talk too much,
like they tell they talk too much, and they tell
(11:01):
each person like a different version of the story. And
for any of the cast members to make this mistake
at this point in the twenty years that these shows
have been on air is crazy. Like you've studied the show,
you should actually know how to do it. But I
think once they get on camera, everything flies out the
door and they get all nervous and then they get sloppy.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Katie is extremely sloppy and there was an exception to
that first year kind of behavior. Megan Edmunds. Yeah, wonderful showing.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
By her yeah, she has definitely spent many a night's investigating.
She's like a hyper focused person when she wants to
take someone down, and I salute that me too.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, we kick things off with the two best friends
that anyone could have. We're back to another wellness thing
with meatball and sketchball. Evidently these, Kate, you're you're in
the OC. How many just carbon copy wellness places are
there with like expensive machinery that has some kind of
(12:03):
LED feature on them.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I definitely have noticed that. But the two things that
they have put on this show thus far, the one
with the roller ball and then the scalp the scalp
collector or whatever this is, I had never heard of
them before. I think that the good people of the
rest of the country think that we're insane here, and
for good reason, because, oh yeah, people in southern California
(12:28):
will pay so much money if they think it's wellness
or beauty oriented. Why do you need someone to clean
your scalp? And for like two hundred plus. Now, obviously
Katie makes that remark like, and this was expensive. There's
no way in hell she paid for that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh no, no, she's morally bankrupt in her soul, but yeah,
Katie admits that she's on an apology tour when she's
talking to Meatball, and then she says she's paying for
this expensive scalp cleanse, and then I believe she insinuates
that Gina is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah she did.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
She for sure was like, you need this scalp scalp
coruction because you're just yeah, yeah, I feel Gina has
just sort of like I kind of admire it, but
I'm confused by it at the same time, where like
the first episode, she's putting on what looks like Lee
press on nails and she doesn't want to pay for
a makeup person. She's either much smarter than the rest
(13:19):
of them or she's phoning this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know, it's weird because my next note is that
there's this weird thing with me Baul where she's putting
on these Lee press nails and it's just it's great
to have you on because we do kind of think
a kin.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay, so let's go to Emily's house and she's got
a dog named after a subpar sandwich shop. I think
it was quiz No.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
We'll also and hang on hang on a second, Oh
togoes hang on, don't besmirch togos or quiz nows because
you're a fucking sandwich rat who eats it subway all
the time, which is absolutely just thing.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Quiz no a sandwich in nineteen years. I don't got it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You don't get sandwiches. I mean you haven't. You haven't
had a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Hang on, why would I eat something it's two styrofoam
planks with in between?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
A second? What do you are? You are you? You
make sandwiches at home, right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
My kids do? I don't eat them. Okay, I should
also know that I have a gluten allergy gluten sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Bread is discussed. Your your bread is styrofrumb, but you
know bread is There's a lot of beautiful bread out there,
not any subway, which is Pat's favorite. But can I
just to speak on the evil of Tamar Judge, who is.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, cam rat.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She's a gargoyle. But she heads over to Emily's house
and she sees this this togo quizno, you know, chicken
bacon ranch whatever it is, and she says, is that
a coyote. Do not speak that way about other people's dogs,
especially a rescue Okay, that's a disgusting thing to say,
is that a Is that a coyote?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, it doesn't look like a coot.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Are you a coyote? It was Tamra looks more like
a coyote than that dog. Okay, so listen.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But by the way, why so do a lot of
people foster dogs?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I'm it's crazy to me, but definitely they do God's work.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Our next door does.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, no, I do too. It's it's insane. I mean,
you know, uh dice roll aside. I mean, you could
lose your face, but what if you get a time?
Well no, no, I mean but dogs can bite and
dogs can bite hard. Okay, So can someone break down
the Gretchen thing that we get to?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Sure? Okay. So Gretchen shows up and I thought it
was an amazing first uh scene that she shot. She
was loaded for bear and the one thing I appreciated
about Gretchen is that she's kind of getting tam Rat
off her feet because I think Gretchen has studied the show,
clearly watched every scene back, and so she's.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
By the way. I just talked to her and she
said she doesn't watch the show and hasn't watched the
show for you, okay. I love it when they say.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That she also never got she has no surgeries. She
hasn't done any surgeries, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Well, so what the issue is here is that Gretchen
in her time, her twelve years off the show, was
pretty busy posting things in Sydney. Tam Rat's daughter, who
doesn't live with her, had made a post and then
Gretchen commented on it.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Meanwhile, she can to Tamra. She contacted her daughter, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And meanwhile, tam Rat has her own side of the
street she needs to clean up. When Slade's son died
at twenty two, he was sick almost his entire life.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
She went on her podcast. So his son lived to
age twenty two, I believe. So that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, wow,
he was sick for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Very long time. So and to honor that, tam Rat
went on her podcast and said that they were so
poor that they had to do a GoFundMe to pay
for his funeral.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Class class a bitch.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, And then I love how.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, but honestly, is that true they couldn't pay for
the funeral?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know better than us.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think I would not know that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
How often do you see Gretchen and public down in oc.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Not never, although she lives close. I don't, I never do.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Wow, do you guys? Is there a little cottage industry
that's cropped up around the tour of Shannavadoor's crash site.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh yeah, there are lots of people that have that
have come. It's like Mecca. Lots of people have ventured
off that those ways.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
All right, So Gretchen and Jen and Tamera are fighting.
Can we contain this show? It's it's so all of
all right?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So yeah, we so we bounce around here, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Shannava door Uh and Heather and Jen are at a
steakhouse in the middle of the day, it seems, Bungalow bungalow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then meanwhile at that Dandruff landfill, Katie tells Gina
that she texted Shannon Badoor to apologize for recording her
and telling Alexis Pelini. Then she recants that later on,
Katie is all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You're true, that's true, she did recant. Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So we've got a lot of verses, right, We've got
tamra verse Jen, We've got gen versus bro. You know,
the two keepers of the two sides of that that battle,
and maybe coming up we've got gen verse Katie, because
Katie has been implying that Jen knows that she showed
the recording to Jesus Jugs.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This always happens to you have two newcomers that cling
to one another like they're on a raft in the
middle of the Atlantic. And last season, if you remember,
it was suggested that Jen calls Katie a sociopath behind
her back. So at some point these two are going
to go to blows for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Now, Ryan and Tamra are in illegal just a tiny
little one, and Heather says that she is not she's
she's not not inviting Ryan, but that Tamar has told
her that legally it's probably not a good idea for
her to be in the same building as Ryan, and
Tamar was absent from this party.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But well, oh no, she's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's right, I think want of Slade's exes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, she'll arrive next episode.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
This is my problem with this show. I don't want
to see anyone who was on the show years and
years before. We need to move into the new millennium,
like you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Let's I agree with you with one exception. I would
love for Megan Edmunds to come back.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I would like for the driver that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think Megan Edmunds only makes sense if she's in
scenes with Vicky. Otherwise, what's the point?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Totally makes it all right. So a couple things I
just want to make sure we covered here. Yeah, so, uh,
Jen is in an unusual soul of loyalty, defends Katie,
who she also hates to go after tam Rat after
Heather de Bro essentially announces the Katie is done and
there's no fucking going back after a secret recording a
cast member.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well yeah, and then also Jen really gets quite upset
when Heather says that she's not not inviting Ryan, but
she's not inviting him, and she says, that's my husband. Jen.
Let's let's cool it down. Ryan doesn't have to come
to every girl's.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Uh, because you know why their codependant. Remember that this
is the last week's episode. They invited everybody over for burritos.
All three couples sat in this weird sort of like
cult like, I don't know form each couple. The guy
is holding on to the woman in this weird way.
(20:42):
I think they're all codependent relationships. That's why they clung
to each other.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I agree, And these are troubled waters. They have to chart,
so it's better to have it doing someone else. All right,
So I want to say this, Heather does quite the
high wire act to ensure that Ryan doesn't intend attend
that birthday. Obviously it doesn't go well, But think about
this from a strategy standpoint. If you're trying to like
ice someone off the show, the best thing you can
do is basically stop allowing them to show up to events.
(21:09):
I think that's where Tamra when she meets with Heather
to brow later and she's like, well, if he's going,
I'm not going the second you know, it kind of
worked with well, actually didn't work with Arianna and Tom sand.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Really worked with Jugs. Badoor won that battle. She froze
Jugs off The Girls Trip.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yep, she froze her off The Girls Trip. You're not
on three episodes because the whole cast is somewhere else,
and yeah, you're officially.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And if you don't like show up for an episode
or two, people quickly forget about you.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm excited for the day where I
haven't thought about Tamra in ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I really can you forget about her when she wasn't
on the season?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I did, but then I have to rewatch her on
TV and I remember who she is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
A question about Jen, where do you think about her authenticity? Like,
obviously there should be one rule about Katie, which is
never trust anything that comes out of her mouth. With Jen,
she makes poor life decisions like shacking up with Ryan.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I think it's been her dream to be on the
show for the last twenty years. I know that because
when Bronwin was applying to the show, she told me
she was in the finals with a woman who I
now know is Jen. But her Instagram handle at the
time was like codo mom of five or something, So
I know that she was trying to get on the
show for a long time. So I don't think she
has loyalty anyone. I think her loyalty is to the
(22:27):
producer that asked her to do something.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
She's also a fucking bozo.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
What did Sam Rat call her? Dim wit?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean, listen, we've we've seen when people are this
bad with money, it goes past bozo and like, oh
you've got.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, there's something missing on her anything that happens to her,
she sort of like checks out. Like even when her
son is talking about financial stuff, she's checked. She's not there.
She's on Planet Sparkle. She doesn't she's not with us when.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We get to the conversation. That's one of the most
insane things. I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but it's
one of the craziest things I've seen on this show.
And Jen's just like, this is unbelievable. And I get
being an optimist when you're in dark waters, but right
be a pessimist for a little bit. It's bad. You know,
(23:22):
you don't need to shine this peace show.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So clearly someone who's like, oh, Ryan will just take
care of it. Even when she saw all the red flags,
I mean, and there were numerous ones last season. She
still is hanging her coat in his closet.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But his financial tributaries are among the most unsustainable things.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, it's hard to find another job laundering money, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, they also said, like they have seven children collectively. Yeah,
as a couple. I'm like, well, where are the other two?
There are Ryan's kids? Where are they?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Are they? Like we are not participating in the show.
That's going to take her dad down.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But also, when do you call? I know it's crude,
but at what number do you refer to them as
a litter. I'm just I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You're asking me with a mom of five, I don't
think you're there yet.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think six might be half.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Do we know how he makes money?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No, I have no clue.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, so that well is dry.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Let's just go with maybe internet marketing because I feel
like that is like a term that works on all
reality shows. Entrepreneur consultants, finances influencers.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Sweet manager consultants. Okay, So at the house with Katie,
they she switched her son's school's senior year. I don't
know what goes into this decision. These are difficult decisions
for families to make, and not knowing the kind of
(24:54):
granularity of it, I will still judge it as psychotic
and cruel.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That is nuts. I may say something that may offend
a lot of people, but it's hard to understand her
plight because she's such a compulsive liar.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know what it could be though, because she doesn't
actually own a home here, So maybe they were like
dipping in just to see if it would work out.
They would like if she could stay on the show.
And now she's like, Okay, I'm going to get a
second season and he's like, well, I guess I'll move
there there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, there may be a good, good reason for it,
but it's that's something as apparent. You'd be like, we
something has to really force.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
This, And Kate, you watch a lot of reality TV
and analyze the kind of the game and the scenes
and what are people trying to portray themselves as this
scene was clearly orchestrated to clean up some loose ends.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It was cleaning up the streets.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Her husband are going back and forth kind of like
just planting like breadcrumbs of well, this is why we
did this, and this this is why he lives.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Because everybody was like wire that all the kids in
different homes and did you lose custody and so it
was kind of a up with the kids. Well I
don't know if she had an intentional conversation, but it
was like, wait, you know, we're so glad we're all
back together, like the bands back together and we always
were going to be together. And yeah, it's she's like
trying to clean up the streets. Well.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
She also says that she was always a supportive mother,
and being supportive, uh means allowing your kids to make
their own.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Decisions about where they want to live.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, what if the kids said he want, I want
to quit school and beat off all day?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, you'd be like, follow.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Your t Because I think what she was trying to
say is like the court system sometimes. I don't know
if it's like this now, but I know that when
I was little, my mom, or at least my mom
told me that the judge would go okay, which parents
live with, Which is like a horrible position to put
a child in because ultimately, wherever you choose the other
parent is like you're an asshole kid and you're not
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going to get anything.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well, it's just burn.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Katie was pretty consistent with kids, just saying you're better
off with your dad.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well we get we roll the tap on this Emily situation.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
My wife's blowing my phone up. I just want to
make sure she's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh no, okay, okay, So Pat's got child's care emergency.
The children are fine, They're just they're just stranded.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're just straighted smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, they're just rolling dice on the corner. So anyways,
and Ellie's really good. I don't know how she makes
the dice do what she wants them to do, but okay,
so we roll the tape on this Emily at the
reunion thing, and we've been doing Miami at Patreon dot com,
slash another podcast network. I would equate. I always kind
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of liked Emily and thought her dunking on chain was
very fun, and then when she did this at last
year's reunion, it was pretty gross. So I kind of
equate that to Gerty's text at the cancer gallup moment
like this is last season. That was a point of
no return for me and Emily. I'm not the biggest
(27:59):
fan of her after that. What say you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Sometimes I well, I should say, this show just totally
bores me. I feel like it's the same sort of
like high jinks, like I've got some food in my
bag because my husband's a little dorky, you know, piece
of shit, and like I don't know, and like nothing
really changes on this show. It's it gets kind of
boring to me. So I think I've let go of
(28:25):
the little piccadillos that annoy me about each person and
I'm just collectively like, why doesn't the show ever get better?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you're just lobottomized all the way through.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that I don't know what they
can do. I mean, I think that one of the
things about you know, these these franchises need real money.
Me and Ruby talk about it a lot, I think, so, yeah,
you know, we do not watch this show to see,
(28:56):
you know, moderately successful people have melodrama with one another,
Like you have to go to both ends of the polls,
like we need to see, you know, teens that are
catching catfish with their banger hands fighting with each other,
or we need to see you know, filthy wealthy people
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know what. I think you're right, And you know,
it just came to me. We look at these shows
like a social experiment, and it's a it's an interesting
like research experience to see how problems that we all
have would be different with somebody who has a lot
of money. So like, do we care that much about
how Gina navigates shit that we all deal with? No, no, no,
(29:39):
I want to see is it different if you have
a lot of money, you have a jet, you have
multiple houses, Like, how does that differ than the people
I know in my neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And I wonder if Heather's kind of like acridness would
soften a little bit if there were more wealthy people
around her, because her being the richest person and talking
about it as often as anyways.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, that's a good question, do Okay, let's say
they hire someone. Would that rattle someone who likes to
be at the top of the station or would that
mellow them out?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Nothing would be better for this show than to have
someone wealthier than Heather to brow on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know what, that's a good point because think about it,
like Louis adele SEPs was always like, well on the
count's wife and blah blah blah. And then how did
they destroy that for her? They get Carol Roswell right, and.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Then we witnessed the Amelia Earhart Yes spiral downwards for
the next couple of seasons, and it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That it was worth watching for that.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Wea so worth watching. So anyways, we get to bowling
with Emily and the gang. Shean throws a ball down
the lane and Emily says that was so hot.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Bowling just doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Sorry, but I don't know that it's ever done it
for any woman ever.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't think so, I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It was so crazy to hear a woman look at
her husband, be a Shane or anybody and say that
was so hot. I mean, I don't even care if
it's freaking you know, Michael, see Jordan throwing that ball.
I mean, I agree, it's not hot, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So that scene first started because I'm working through logistics
all the time, because you know, a lot of these
people don't actually even live in that area. Heather, her
kids go to school in Los Angeles. They don't even
go to school in the County of Orange. So I'm thinking,
I know exactly where that bowling place is. So you've
got Emily, who's like a good thirty five minute drive,
(31:45):
Gene's probably forty five minutes from there, and then Shannon
lives somewhere around there. Like you got to make it
least practical, Like would those two people ever, for example,
am I going to drive to meet you to go
do lawn bowling? No, it wouldn't make sense. You'd be like,
let's meet halfway right.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And halfway between me and you is what the City
of Industry.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, yes, or something.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, so we're I mean, I don't think there's really
anything to do other than hit the outlets out there.
But I mean, listen, it's it's still up in the air.
So Shannavadoor heads in with a new man that she
met on Love Hotel. She really cleaned up on Love Hotel,
got a lot of relationships, a lot of contacts out well.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they could have also been like, this show
didn't do really well, so why don't we throw these
guys at bone and let them appear on real houseways
of Orange County. I also didn't like it when Gina said, well,
all these guys, you know, are they in it for
the right reasons? Is it because they want to be
mega famous? And I was like, I don't know if
John Jansen is mega famous. He's niche, well known, but
(32:48):
not mega famous.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But but it's a kind of famous that doesn't really
net you anything, like.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh certainly not.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like people are still like revolted by am and even
if they weren't, I don't think that they would be fawning.
And John Jensen has the kind of fame where and
if he approached let's say, a company with any kind
of product, be it wellness or material goods, they would say, no,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
How do you work in the angle? I was a
boyfriend a Real Housewives and that makes that company go.
Now we've got to work the angles on.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
The Yeah, not gonna happen, all right. So Gina asks
about Adam's retirement plan. She really kind of puts him
in a vice cript, and Travis has to come in
and say, hey, Meatball, leave them alone a little bit
for suthing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How are those two back together?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
What was the so he moved out?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It happened in the shadows. It happened in the shadows.
And if I was Travis, I would have never forgiven
her for what she did. But there's also this thing
where Shannon is talking about this guy wanting to have children, and.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know, obviously, wait that guy who went with her,
that's the one she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes, he wants kids, Yeah, he wants kids.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
The guy has full Barbara Bush white hair. Yeah, what
so wants to impregnate a woman.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
So there's okay, So listen, everyone can can want for something, right, right,
of course, But but and so I don't want to
be judgmental with people like you know, you don't know.
Maybe he lost kids, maybe he was never able to write,
(34:27):
so so maybe that's what's going on. But if he has,
but they.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Also live in Orange County, and to understand Orange County
is to know that all of the men that are
over forty two years of age believe that they should
be with a twenty four year old.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, exactly. So Shannon is not going to have any
kids because she's you know, she's an older woman. But
the fact that you know this is a little bit
you know, this is what's a little discussing about the
male male hubris. Why is your brain not shut down
on this opportunity? Like you mentioned you you're white and
(35:01):
red all over Santa Claus. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, no, no, no God. So, by the way, did you
hear what happened with that bachelor, the New Golden Bachelor.
He's from Newport Beach and he's sixty six and he
played football University of Michigan and became in his lawyer.
So he does this interview on a University of Michigan
podcast and he's kind of like gloating about how they
asked him to be the Golden Bachelor, and he's bragging
(35:25):
about how he told a producer, I don't want anyone
that's under No, everyone has to be under sixty. He's
sixty six. I don't want anybody who isn't fit and
wears wigs. And then people were horrified to go, why'd
you choose a guy from Newport Beach? It's a sea
of veneers here. It's dudes in like convertibles on human
(35:47):
growth hormone with tight T shirts who think they should
be with the twenty four year old woman.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't say whites only, which I'm
sure he might have been made he'd given him enough time,
but I think he could have gotten there. Good note
that it's like, what the likely scenario is that Pat
has driven to go pick the child up from the
dice game and put the cigarette butts out. But me
and Kate are gonna finish this episode strong.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So, by the way, is he cursing as he goes? Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Like?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back, I'm
gonna try to talk him off the ledge. Okay, because
this is never.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
How can we play a prank on him. You know,
I'm not sure, Well can we do That's so funny?
Like he jumps back in the chair, and then we know.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What we could do. We could you know, you could
send him a text, and I could send him a
text and separate text and just talk about, you know,
really how blown away we are, at how unprofessional was
and I could just be out of here and not
take his calls.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But I think he's already having a bad enough day,
so we'll save that for another time. Okay, So we
wrap with Shannon and Emily talk about hey, uh, not
hate or not liking.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Katie and Shannon. Shannon keeps saying things like she's never
gonna speak to her ever again, and it's like, Shannon,
you're on to tell me you're going to talk to her.
So we get to Ryan and Jen. The kids aren't
well adjusted because they've been in flux quite a bit.
And then we find out that Dawson, you know, we
talked about this last season, but he is going to
join the Marines. God, God, blast, God bless, Thank you
(37:30):
for your service, thank you for your Harrison is another
child who you know, obviously smart kid, gone into USC But.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
By the way, I'm very impressed. That's hard to get
into USC right now.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Very very difficult to get into USC. But yeah, I
mean listen, when I was in high school, I mean,
kids that had perfect GPAs weren't getting into the USA,
So it's totally it's tough to get in. But USC
is a fantastic school. It's also a breeding ground for
(38:03):
douchebags and it's a racket. So it's seventy two thousand
dollars a year, correct, and Harrison needs a little bit
of financial assistance in order to get into that school.
Now because of that, he needs his brother evidently to
co sign the loan, which Dawson did without letting his
(38:27):
mother know.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Now, well, by the way, can I just say, yeah,
how awful to not have a conversation about the reality
of what the parents can pay for before he applies
to the school he gets, you know, the word that
he's gotten in and way to dash this kid's hopes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
There are so many confusing things about this, like, yeah,
I want to know really just how disgusting this ex
husband is, because I would like to I can't think of,
you know, short of child abuse and murder. I can't
really think of anything more disgusting than having your child
(39:13):
co sign on a loan that he or you cannot afford.
I agree, it's bananas to me. But then we've got
this thing and you know Pat and I always you know,
Pat's very thrifty and he looks over contracts a lot,
so he doesn't really have a lot of time for
people who sign bad contracts. And I go, Pat, you
got to you gotta think that these are very predatory industries.
(39:35):
And I was thinking about, you know, and who's to
say who's right and who's wrong. I think I think
Pat's right. You know, you got to do your homework
on these things. But what kind of contract or loan
is advanced further via the signature of an eighteen year
old who is smoking pot in his car and coming
home late at night and just goes, I'm going to
(39:56):
join the Marines. What documentation or financially agreement he's advanced
by that? Like, what is happening there? This whole thing
was they.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Could show this video at a congressional hearing.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Honestly, I think Katie Porter would do a lot with
this video. I agree with you, Okay, So we have
to get to you know this, this lunch with Tamara
and Heather. Tamer's very down to the dumpsite. I was
concerned that Tamra and I do not think that Tamra's
above this, but I I should say, I'm waiting for
(40:31):
the moment where she I don't know, maybe she won't
but weaponizes and utilizes the the Teddy situation to get okay.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I will say this. I did talk to her during
that period of time when Teddy was just first diagnosed
and Tamor was like comatose.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Was like, how am I supposed to film the show
where I because that's her business partner too. I mean,
obviously they're very close friends, but I do think there
is some authenticity there. I don't know how it's going
to play out, but I talking to her in that
period of time, I am going to throw her gigantic
bone she was catatonic.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well let's just call it a wishbone and make it
like one of those dog treat wishbones. But no, she
They do seem like they're good friends, and that's always
a painful thing to go through. But Heather has planned
an expensive party.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
By the way, that place that Tamra and Heather met
up with Heather would never in a million years go
to Mozambique in Laguna Beach. That's like outdated furniture and
design and has likes watered down in the birds. Like,
that's the funny thing about this show is like they
purposely make her film in places she would never go.
I love that. Yeah, And what was that thing about
(41:43):
the champagne glasses? She was like, don't bring me a
champagne glass.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I think that put people in in the know in
the champagne world. You know, evidently.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's better to be in a like like a champagne
or like a regular wine glass.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
We were all forced and to float and it's not conducive.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
This was like we were programmed to believe that there
was a special, unique quality to these glasses that make
the experience desirable. But what you're telling me is it's
fine to just put it in like a tumbling.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, not only is it fine, it to put it
in enough fluid is actually to destroy the bouquet, if
you will.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Of okay, yeah, yeah, it breaks down the notes of
peach and strawberry.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It really undercuts the experience, right, got it so interesting?
So Heather likes her shams, but she's planning an expensive party.
Terry Debro, who looks like a mouse that was turned
into a prince and is now an old prince. But
the spell didn't work all the way and that was
a weird way to describe him, and I want to
apologize for that. But he says, how much is this party?
(42:49):
So the one that she threw at Nobu was thirty
five grand. This is four times more expensive than that.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You're going to get some of that cut right by
the caterer or whatever. They're gonna get some deal.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
They're going to get some you know something. Well, somebody
will pay for something, you know. I'm sure that that
weed stand probably showed up for free. But uh, I
don't really understand throwing parties for people in general. But
(43:20):
when you're when you're spending this amount of money, it's
just such a foreign desire to me. It just seems
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
You know, Well, it's it's flaunting. It's braggadocia at its
highest point. I have been troubled to under I've had
some trouble understanding some decisions that they've talked about at
this season, like the last one from last season about
their house and the eight million dollars. And that's surprising
(43:49):
to me if it's even real, because how there seems
like she's got an iron fist and has like Excel
spreadsheets that late next to her at night. So how
could they let eight million dollars?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know, I think, you know, we talk about Umami
Burger quite often. You know, I think that they have
so many properties that I think they might be stretched
tooth in And this was their their you know, their baby.
So I do think if Heather was on top of
any project, it would be this one. But perhaps they were,
you know, stretched too thin and they got done over
(44:19):
by a contractor. I'm not sure. But dude, we are
so all over the place. I have to plug my
freaking computer and I just got the Okay, sorry, this
is a horror show. Okay, let's get to the party.
What what is this building? Is it known in Orange County? Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Thank you for asking me. Okay, so right near South
Coast Plaza, which you know that that mole. Yeah, there
is this monstrosity over the top hollaciously decorated white building
made of like granite and dripping concrete, and it was
occupied by Trinity Broadcasting Network, which was like prosperity Gospel,
(45:01):
prosperity Gospel. But once they left, there was nobody who
would actually want to have that building. And it's like
it's got some anchorage. I understand.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
They had a fucking amphitheater there.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
It's weird. So then I understand that somebody in town
may or may not have purchased it, who's like a
quasi socialite. So I do sometimes see pictures where like
socialite and socialite adjacent will go there. But it's such
a weird, like they must get it for free, because
no one would choose that place because the way it's
(45:36):
situated along the four h five and how ugly it
is inside and out. It's just a mystery. But it
just shocks me that Heather would want to have a
party at a place like that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's amazing how like Kirk.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Cameron has spent a couple days there, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
For sure, it's bananas to me how lucrative Prosperity Gospel is.
Like think about how much your rolling in when you
can get a building like this and then just move
on from it. I mean, my god, they have the
fucking Sistine chapel wallpaper on the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
So you think that there are cameras in the bathrooms,
I'm gonna go with you.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh yeah, ohh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
By the way, I when some when things are so bananas,
I call it banannery. I've said that, like, when do
you explain it?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know? Can I say something? I usually I don't
reference crazy situations as as bananas as often as I've
done today. But but yeah, but the total bananay Ryan
had knee surgery the day before. Like we mentioned, like,
if you had knee surgery, how many like, Okay, let's
(46:45):
say you're a socialite, you're invited to two events a month.
How many no's are you going to dole out before
you get back on your feet, because I'm probably gonna
be like at least six to eight months.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I'm just saying no, oh absolute Yeah. But this guy
strikes me as wanting to be a Broadway start like
broad Wait baby. He sings in the shower, He does
a lot of head shots, He looks a lot in
the mirror. He runs through lines of auditions that are
never gonna happen. He wants to be a sta R
and maybe with a double R.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, it's it's it's bananay. You know. Pat often says
that men as they they get up in age, dress
in the decade or era where they got the most action.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, oh wow, that yes, that sounds of that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
His style is is weird because I don't think there's
any way that he could have dressed like that when
he was getting the best action. It's like he's adjacent
to that style, but he's he's tiktoked it up.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, thank you. I was just going to say, I
feel like he dresses as if John Johnson was in
a boy band.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, it's so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I mean, TikTok.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Everything about the guy is so trashy.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
He's also really dialed up the tan in a in
a Louis Ruellis sort of way. I don't do. Dudes
at that point go the tanner. I am the buffer
or younger. I look like a lot of women will
get the tan because they think, like, look skinnier. What
does the super tan do to a man?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
You know, I've never really understood it. I think that,
you know, men who are not Italians from the Tri
State area are really not that concerned with the hue
of their skin. You know, if they you know, if
we're going to a lake house for a week, we'll
probably come back a little bit tanner. But outside of that,
(48:55):
I mean, I don't know, Donald Trump seems fairly preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
What if they took all these skis or boyfriends and
put them on some sort of apprentice fight like no,
like reality show, like Louie and Ryan competing for you know,
three gold Plates in the Mountain or something.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So are you talking about boardroom
competing show or are you talking about like the challenge?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I mean either or but boardroom might be more fun.
But like who would the contestants be. They would be Louie,
Louis Dolores's boyfriend, Ryan, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
We would get Todd on there.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Uh oh with that question, probably have on there.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, And I think a boardroom show might be good because,
you know, in Trump's absence, I think that Omerosa could
really helm up the reboot of that show and having
all of these men, Oh I know who else?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And I got a media quest to see if I
wanted to interview him Jody for Miami Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was participating Marcus Jordan show.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
In perfect perfect This is Yeah, this is a great
come up with I don't think it's quite Traders, but
I think people will tune in, so listen.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
This party is absolutely insane. Matt gets there and says,
what are the odds on this party? I love that
Matt is uh still bringing up the fact that Ryan
is a degenerate gambling.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Crew, but now they're posing it like they're like, yeah,
their buddy boys. They hang out like I cannot imagine
those two hanging out.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And I think golf guy loathes him and is not happy.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I have to say I have spent time with Matt
and I thought he was a very normal person. But
then I'm always struck with the agreement to appear on
the show. Does that make you not normal?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Katie is one of the most beautiful people I've ever
seen on the show.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I would have forgotten to bring it up. Stunning woman,
stunning woman, like beyond stunning woman, Like where are you
in the world? Pageants?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
It's like crazy, unreal. So I think that he I
can understand why he may have gotten uh, I don't know,
caught up in the web of deceit and criminality, and
why he's on the show.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So anyway, Shannabador gets there, walks in with another man.
She's got quite the roster, Phil. I think Phil might
be my favorite. He seems like a pretty chill guy.
But this is when we get the tour of the building.
And as you mentioned, Christian Television compound, did you.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Spot Taric and his wife Heather from HG They are friendly,
They're in that social group that Heather kind of dips
in and out of when she comes to the County
of Orange.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
How's Taric doing? Had a little?
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Uh, I don't know. HG TV shows.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know, yeah, yeah, no, our institutions are dying. The
talk show, the HGTV show, all of it. Okay. So
Gretchen hits the party and we talked pretty openly about
not only breaking Slade's cock, but we go into granular
detail about what it looks like when the blood flow arrives.
And if I was Slay, I'd be like, hey, what
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are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah? Yeah, a lot. I can't imagine a guy would
be down with that. That being brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
No, I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like talking about like a woman having mes titis or something.
It's like, it's not your place to bring this up.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
No, no, no, let's not talk about the aesthetic of
anybody's genitalia without their written and verbal consent.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Thank you, I agreed.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So at some point Shannon goes over to the food says,
this is all fattening. Phil says, well, not the sushi.
She says, you know what, I'm gonna go in, grabs
a grilled cheese, and then is confronted by Katie. Not
a great start. Katie is breaking down whether Shannon was
inside or outside. And I worry that that arguments or
(53:00):
attempts at resolution with Katie. You know, I think that
she may have some kind of personality disorder because when
you're and I know, freaking you know, dime store therapy
over here, but when you're arguing with her, she seems
to throw forks in the road at you a lot
(53:20):
of the time, like Katie is not really addressing the situation.
There are lots of diversions here that Badoor storms. Badoor
is just too frazzled really all the time to contend with.
But Shannon bears down and just says, like recording me
is illegal, and I don't really care if you're on
a zoom call I don't care who you showed it to.
(53:43):
Recording me is illegal. What do you think about her
saying that she is the most evil person that she's
ever met and that she's worse than Alexis Bellino.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, I just hamra That sounded like somebody who is
all too concern of other things that may have been filmed.
Like maybe you know when like if you've had two
glasses of wine and you go to sleep and you
wake up and you're like, oh, did I d am
the wrong person? You know, did I you know, spill
(54:17):
something on the carpet and not clean it up, like
you're just there's a moment of panic, like, oh God,
what did I do? I feel like that is Shannon's
entire life. She's perpetually panicked about what she may or
may not have done. So that, to me, that reaction
was a bit of that. But that's compounded with Katie's
(54:37):
audibility to never really get frazzled. I mean they're all
coming at her and she's just sort of like, Okay, yeah,
you're right, I did that, or she.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Is pretty I gotta tell me.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Like it's so you have Razzle Dazzle with teflon and
it's it's.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Never gonna work. And did we mention that.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
She's stunning beyond she a model?
Speaker 1 (55:01):
She should have been. Get in the comments let us
know what you thought about the episode, how we should
have pranked Pat. Go listen to Reality Life with Kate Casey.
Go to the website. There is nobody better at breaking
down the docs that you the docs, the murder, the
celebrity interviews. Seriously go over their supporter, leave five stars,
(55:23):
kind words, tell her that we sent you and until
next time, I am Dylan saying goodbye, Kate, say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Thank you
There. We should note that it's like, what the likely
scenario is that Pat has driven to go pick the
child up from the dice game and put the cigarette
butts out. But me and Kate are gonna finish this
episode strong.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So, by the way, is he kirsty as he goes?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah? Is he like?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back, I'm
gonna try to talk him off the ledge, okay, because
this is.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Never How can we play prank on him? Well? Can
we do? That's so funny? Like he jumps back in
the chair and then we know what we could do.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We could you know, you could send him a text
and I could send him a text and separate text
and just talk about, you know, really have blown away.
We are at how our professional Hi loan. Welcome to
(01:00):
the brands banking new episode of bad Television. My name
is Dylan and that is just a guy named Pat.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Hey, So, Ruby has been driving the highways and byways
of the East Coast. She's been traveling from Virginia all
the way up through the states Delaware among them, Oh
nice and Kate please Delaware among them. She drove through
(01:30):
Maryland and had a wicked thunderstorm encounter, so she was
going to arrive a little bit late. But in her absence,
in her absence, luckily enough for us, we have none
other than, I would say, the queen of reality television.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm going to go there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm going to go there with myself too. It's none
other than k Casey.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you. I grew up very close to the Delaware line.
It is a good place, tax free, good times.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You understand why I had to say please. I'm trying
to build up to a Christopher Nolan kind of suspenseful reveal,
not like the episode title isn't going to say your
name right anything. They don't, they don't read them. Hey,
what's going on, Kate?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I have a big question for you. Yeah, now that
you are a father, do you look at these Housewives
shows differently?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No? No, I'm I'm unmoved. I've I've felt as though
they were you know, the Housewives are interesting there. It's
it's odd because they look like humans, but they're probably
a million years behind us an evolution. It's it's odd.
It's like they're still they're mud creatures essentially, and that
has not changed you know, pre and post breeding. Yeah,
(02:45):
these people are quite disgusting. But listen, before we get
into things. Everybody listened to Reality Life, go to go
to the Patreon.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What do you got coming up?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
What do you got coming out?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Oh? My god, so much? Well, you know, I put
out a list every week of what to watch. People
can go to Katecasey dot substack dot com and sign
up and you get a list every week of what
to watch. So one good thing, like a couple of
things to look forward to. The yogurt shop murders is
gonna be on August third, and that is a story.
If anybody watches Dateline in forty eight hours, you're going
(03:21):
to know this case for girls that were killed as
they were closing up this frozen yogurt shop in Austin, Texas.
And they arrested these two young men and then they
released them a couple of years later. So that's like
one of those true crime case doc series.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That it's it's such a it's such a funny.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's like having your head cut off at disney Land,
unless you fall off.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Matter horn well, or you're on thunder Mountain.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And we've said okay times another show I think you
might like is I really liked it. It's called hit
Makers on Netflix, and they go to these songwriting camps
that I didn't really know much about. Pat this is
up your ally, and the people that they cast are
actual real songwriters. It's like a competition show.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But like they look like in the pods.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, they have this couple that wrote Butter that BTS
song that's so popular, and anyway, they have like John
Legend and these other shabboozies that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The name sh Shabozi.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
They come in and they so these three teams they
present the song that they wrote for the artists, but
you get to see the whole process of how they
work together and write the song. It's like what I
like about it is you get a window into someone's
like mad genius. M I liked it. That's a good one.
And then the Billy Joel documentary.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You watch I have and I feel like I've seen
a million already did.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Don't you know about the whole Attila thing. In the
beginning of his life, Attila he was in a band
called Atilla Tilla, and then he he moved in with
the other band member and then fell in love with
the guy's wife. Oh yeah, and then married her and
then married her. But before they married he tried to
kill himself numerous times because he were so depressed.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
The tear and he's a drunk. Really yeah. There's another doc.
It's called Hired Gun and they interview all like side
musicians of famous people. His whole backup band was on
that doc. Hat his fucking guys.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Really well, he is very very day.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What is that Hired Guns? It's great doc. I actually
worked for one of the guys in it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We are We could talk about docs all day, especially
with these two kooky cats.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Last question, did you guys watch.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I? Did Kate look all right? So Amy Bradley and
the news reporter. The audience loves this and the news
forgive me. I forgot her name already?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, oh Jo, who's in truth?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's right? So Dateline that is a silly name. If
you listen to Josh Mankowitz talk and he's one of
the hosts of of Dateline, he had said they intentionally
stopped doing stories that had no ending because the audience
was very frustrated. When you know, clock fifty nine minutes
the episode ends and they go, well, we don't know,
and so those two docks end that way.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah. Hey, have you ever seen Prisoners the movie? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I liked that, Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, you've never seen Prisoners?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I watch movies.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well you want to who done it? Murder Kidns?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Pretty good one.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's a freaking one. That's a heavy one. But listen,
nothing is heavier than the lives of these women, which
are all in torment. We have children co signing student
loans for seventy thousand dollars a year universities. We have
massive prosperity gospel media buildings being gutted and hosting Heather
de Bro's you know whatever birthday this episode. You know,
(06:41):
I was speaking of poopy Pants before I got here,
and I'm sorry the poopy Pants won't be joining us
because I think that. I know we're only three episodes in,
but I think it is the best episodes so far
the season. This was a really really good episode.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh you're already given your oranges?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought it was really good and
I'm pretty positive about it. I give it one hundred tits.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You give it a hundred booths? Yeah, all right, Kate,
what do you give this episode?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Fifteen?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Fifteen boobs.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That is not a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's not a lot. I guess I liked it more
than both of you, So I'm gonna gave it a hundred. Now,
oh you gave it a hundred. You dead? Sorry? Sorry,
she gave fifteen. I had a brain booth.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There are you on freaking loomy right now?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Now? No, no, no, no, I'm trying to choose my words correctly, wisely.
Here Kate is friends with some of these people who.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Cares well, am I though I know them?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, Katie, she is so sketchy. She I was sharing
Shannon Badoor's sentiment at the tail end of this episode
when she called her evil and said, there's something wrong
with you mentally.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
She's just just worse than tear me.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, but you know what, all those women record each other,
so that was like a little bit over the top
for me. I'm like, you think Shannon Badora has not
videotape people, Well, the.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Important veg is to not get caught.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
She got caught, as did that knock ahead on All
Do It.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well? Cindy lu who on Salt Lake City?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Who is like Jen is the more mature version of her,
But just as doomed for ruin. I would say Jen
is the.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Way to like, we've forgotten the fact that she had
three skittles in her bank account last season, the guy
like may go to prison, Like we forgot about that.
Now we're being presented like they're the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah yeah, well I don't believe that for that, And
I also don't think they're gonna get married.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah yeah. But also Jen's telling people like, listen, don't
lower your ethical standards by the people that are around you.
You're you're married to criminals. It's like crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I loved when he's given advice to uh, what's her
youngest son's name, Uh, Dawsons, Yeah, Dawson and uh and
then Ryan jumps in there. He's like, yeah, you know,
you gotta, you know, work out your finances and make
sure and like he should have just turned them and said,
didn't you want Beezzel twelve million dollars a fucking snake.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You gotta meet the right baseball players, you gotta meet
good ones, young ones.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Dawson's the only one they could pay enough to like
agree to be on camera. I'm convinced of it.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And what Ryan, My god, I'm so excited to talk
about Ryan. What a grease ball, what a camera hore.
I mean, can you imagine having surgery and then going
to a party the next day that the person doesn't
want you at? Yeah, I mean if I had knee surgery,
I'd be in bed with dim Sum and Yellowstone. Not
I don't watch Yellowstone, but you take the point.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Anyways, we got to get on the show, all right,
So I'm giving my my injections.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, so that's from eighty Yeah, sorry, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't bring that, Okay, don't bring that here.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay. I think she is one of the worst human
beings on this show. She's not good at everything that
she tries, and we still don't know a lot about
her past. She's got like fucking a kid on every
continent living somewhere that she doesn't raise. Sure she has
that pass where she like filed a false police report
and then like had a civil suit against her while
(10:10):
I need explanations of of this this past that we
have yet to hear. And then she's constantly lying, she's
constantly manipulating, she's content, Like think about how she came
onto the show last year and we didn't know that
she was always full of it. Her storyline where she
was going for Heather to bro and Terry with she
knew a TMC reporter that said that they called in
(10:30):
the paparazzi and she never had any evidence of that.
It was like hearsay, She's tried that three more times.
I'm glad that she's getting what's hers.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Newcomers a couple of mistakes they like go over the
top and the way they and they dress like you
see that Stephanie in Real Housewives in Miami. They are
sloppy with their investigative adjacent work, and they talk too much,
like they tell they talk too much, and they tell
(11:01):
each person like a different version of the story. And
for any of the cast members to make this mistake
at this point in the twenty years that these shows
have been on air is crazy. Like you've studied the show,
you should actually know how to do it. But I
think once they get on camera, everything flies out the
door and they get all nervous and then they get sloppy.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Katie is extremely sloppy and there was an exception to
that first year kind of behavior. Megan Edmunds. Yeah, wonderful showing.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
By her yeah, she has definitely spent many a night's investigating.
She's like a hyper focused person when she wants to
take someone down, and I salute that me too.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, we kick things off with the two best friends
that anyone could have. We're back to another wellness thing
with meatball and sketchball. Evidently these, Kate, you're you're in
the OC. How many just carbon copy wellness places are
there with like expensive machinery that has some kind of
(12:03):
LED feature on them.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I definitely have noticed that. But the two things that
they have put on this show thus far, the one
with the roller ball and then the scalp the scalp
collector or whatever this is, I had never heard of
them before. I think that the good people of the
rest of the country think that we're insane here, and
for good reason, because, oh yeah, people in southern California
(12:28):
will pay so much money if they think it's wellness
or beauty oriented. Why do you need someone to clean
your scalp? And for like two hundred plus. Now, obviously
Katie makes that remark like, and this was expensive. There's
no way in hell she paid for that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Oh no, no, she's morally bankrupt in her soul, but yeah,
Katie admits that she's on an apology tour when she's
talking to Meatball, and then she says she's paying for
this expensive scalp cleanse, and then I believe she insinuates
that Gina is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah she did.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
She for sure was like, you need this scalp scalp
coruction because you're just yeah, yeah, I feel Gina has
just sort of like I kind of admire it, but
I'm confused by it at the same time, where like
the first episode, she's putting on what looks like Lee
press on nails and she doesn't want to pay for
a makeup person. She's either much smarter than the rest
(13:19):
of them or she's phoning this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know, it's weird because my next note is that
there's this weird thing with me Baul where she's putting
on these Lee press nails and it's just it's great
to have you on because we do kind of think
a kin.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay, so let's go to Emily's house and she's got
a dog named after a subpar sandwich shop. I think
it was quiz No.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
We'll also and hang on hang on a second, Oh
togoes hang on, don't besmirch togos or quiz nows because
you're a fucking sandwich rat who eats it subway all
the time, which is absolutely just thing.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Quiz no a sandwich in nineteen years. I don't got it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You don't get sandwiches. I mean you haven't. You haven't
had a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Hang on, why would I eat something it's two styrofoam
planks with in between?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
A second? What do you are? You are you? You
make sandwiches at home, right?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
My kids do? I don't eat them. Okay, I should
also know that I have a gluten allergy gluten sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Bread is discussed. Your your bread is styrofrumb, but you
know bread is There's a lot of beautiful bread out there,
not any subway, which is Pat's favorite. But can I
just to speak on the evil of Tamar Judge, who is.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I mean, cam rat.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She's a gargoyle. But she heads over to Emily's house
and she sees this this togo quizno, you know, chicken
bacon ranch whatever it is, and she says, is that
a coyote. Do not speak that way about other people's dogs,
especially a rescue Okay, that's a disgusting thing to say,
is that a Is that a coyote?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, it doesn't look like a coot.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Are you a coyote? It was Tamra looks more like
a coyote than that dog. Okay, so listen.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
But by the way, why so do a lot of
people foster dogs?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I'm it's crazy to me, but definitely they do God's work.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Our next door does.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, no, I do too. It's it's insane. I mean,
you know, uh dice roll aside. I mean, you could
lose your face, but what if you get a time?
Well no, no, I mean but dogs can bite and
dogs can bite hard. Okay, So can someone break down
the Gretchen thing that we get to?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Sure? Okay. So Gretchen shows up and I thought it
was an amazing first uh scene that she shot. She
was loaded for bear and the one thing I appreciated
about Gretchen is that she's kind of getting tam Rat
off her feet because I think Gretchen has studied the show,
clearly watched every scene back, and so she's.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
By the way. I just talked to her and she
said she doesn't watch the show and hasn't watched the
show for you, okay. I love it when they say.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That she also never got she has no surgeries. She
hasn't done any surgeries, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Well, so what the issue is here is that Gretchen
in her time, her twelve years off the show, was
pretty busy posting things in Sydney. Tam Rat's daughter, who
doesn't live with her, had made a post and then
Gretchen commented on it.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Meanwhile, she can to Tamra. She contacted her daughter, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And meanwhile, tam Rat has her own side of the
street she needs to clean up. When Slade's son died
at twenty two, he was sick almost his entire life.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
She went on her podcast. So his son lived to
age twenty two, I believe. So that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, wow,
he was sick for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Very long time. So and to honor that, tam Rat
went on her podcast and said that they were so
poor that they had to do a GoFundMe to pay
for his funeral.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Class class a bitch.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, And then I love how.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, but honestly, is that true they couldn't pay for
the funeral?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know better than us.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think I would not know that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
How often do you see Gretchen and public down in oc.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Not never, although she lives close. I don't, I never do.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Wow, do you guys? Is there a little cottage industry
that's cropped up around the tour of Shannavadoor's crash site.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh yeah, there are lots of people that have that
have come. It's like Mecca. Lots of people have ventured
off that those ways.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
All right, So Gretchen and Jen and Tamera are fighting.
Can we contain this show? It's it's so all of
all right?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So yeah, we so we bounce around here, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Shannava door Uh and Heather and Jen are at a
steakhouse in the middle of the day, it seems, Bungalow bungalow.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then meanwhile at that Dandruff landfill, Katie tells Gina
that she texted Shannon Badoor to apologize for recording her
and telling Alexis Pelini. Then she recants that later on,
Katie is all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You're true, that's true, she did recant. Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So we've got a lot of verses, right, We've got
tamra verse Jen, We've got gen versus bro. You know,
the two keepers of the two sides of that that battle,
and maybe coming up we've got gen verse Katie, because
Katie has been implying that Jen knows that she showed
the recording to Jesus Jugs.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
This always happens to you have two newcomers that cling
to one another like they're on a raft in the
middle of the Atlantic. And last season, if you remember,
it was suggested that Jen calls Katie a sociopath behind
her back. So at some point these two are going
to go to blows for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Now, Ryan and Tamra are in illegal just a tiny
little one, and Heather says that she is not she's
she's not not inviting Ryan, but that Tamar has told
her that legally it's probably not a good idea for
her to be in the same building as Ryan, and
Tamar was absent from this party.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
But well, oh no, she's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's right, I think want of Slade's exes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, she'll arrive next episode.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
This is my problem with this show. I don't want
to see anyone who was on the show years and
years before. We need to move into the new millennium,
like you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Let's I agree with you with one exception. I would
love for Megan Edmunds to come back.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I would like for the driver that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think Megan Edmunds only makes sense if she's in
scenes with Vicky. Otherwise, what's the point?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Totally makes it all right. So a couple things I
just want to make sure we covered here. Yeah, so, uh,
Jen is in an unusual soul of loyalty, defends Katie,
who she also hates to go after tam Rat after
Heather de Bro essentially announces the Katie is done and
there's no fucking going back after a secret recording a
cast member.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well yeah, and then also Jen really gets quite upset
when Heather says that she's not not inviting Ryan, but
she's not inviting him, and she says, that's my husband. Jen.
Let's let's cool it down. Ryan doesn't have to come
to every girl's.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Uh, because you know why their codependant. Remember that this
is the last week's episode. They invited everybody over for burritos.
All three couples sat in this weird sort of like
cult like, I don't know form each couple. The guy
is holding on to the woman in this weird way.
(20:42):
I think they're all codependent relationships. That's why they clung
to each other.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I agree, And these are troubled waters. They have to chart,
so it's better to have it doing someone else. All right,
So I want to say this, Heather does quite the
high wire act to ensure that Ryan doesn't intend attend
that birthday. Obviously it doesn't go well, But think about
this from a strategy standpoint. If you're trying to like
ice someone off the show, the best thing you can
do is basically stop allowing them to show up to events.
(21:09):
I think that's where Tamra when she meets with Heather
to brow later and she's like, well, if he's going,
I'm not going the second you know, it kind of
worked with well, actually didn't work with Arianna and Tom sand.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Really worked with Jugs. Badoor won that battle. She froze
Jugs off The Girls Trip.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yep, she froze her off The Girls Trip. You're not
on three episodes because the whole cast is somewhere else,
and yeah, you're officially.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And if you don't like show up for an episode
or two, people quickly forget about you.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm excited for the day where I
haven't thought about Tamra in ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I really can you forget about her when she wasn't
on the season?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I did, but then I have to rewatch her on
TV and I remember who she is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
A question about Jen, where do you think about her authenticity? Like,
obviously there should be one rule about Katie, which is
never trust anything that comes out of her mouth. With Jen,
she makes poor life decisions like shacking up with Ryan.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I think it's been her dream to be on the
show for the last twenty years. I know that because
when Bronwin was applying to the show, she told me
she was in the finals with a woman who I
now know is Jen. But her Instagram handle at the
time was like codo mom of five or something, So
I know that she was trying to get on the
show for a long time. So I don't think she
has loyalty anyone. I think her loyalty is to the
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producer that asked her to do something.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
She's also a fucking bozo.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
What did Sam Rat call her? Dim wit?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean, listen, we've we've seen when people are this
bad with money, it goes past bozo and like, oh
you've got.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, there's something missing on her anything that happens to her,
she sort of like checks out. Like even when her
son is talking about financial stuff, she's checked. She's not there.
She's on Planet Sparkle. She doesn't she's not with us when.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We get to the conversation. That's one of the most
insane things. I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but it's
one of the craziest things I've seen on this show.
And Jen's just like, this is unbelievable. And I get
being an optimist when you're in dark waters, but right
be a pessimist for a little bit. It's bad. You know,
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you don't need to shine this peace show.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So clearly someone who's like, oh, Ryan will just take
care of it. Even when she saw all the red flags,
I mean, and there were numerous ones last season. She
still is hanging her coat in his closet.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But his financial tributaries are among the most unsustainable things.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, it's hard to find another job laundering money, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, they also said, like they have seven children collectively. Yeah,
as a couple. I'm like, well, where are the other two?
There are Ryan's kids? Where are they?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Are they? Like we are not participating in the show.
That's going to take her dad down.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
But also, when do you call? I know it's crude,
but at what number do you refer to them as
a litter. I'm just I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You're asking me with a mom of five, I don't
think you're there yet.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think six might be half.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Do we know how he makes money?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No, I have no clue.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, so that well is dry.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Let's just go with maybe internet marketing because I feel
like that is like a term that works on all
reality shows. Entrepreneur consultants, finances influencers.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Sweet manager consultants. Okay, So at the house with Katie,
they she switched her son's school's senior year. I don't
know what goes into this decision. These are difficult decisions
for families to make, and not knowing the kind of
(24:54):
granularity of it, I will still judge it as psychotic
and cruel.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
That is nuts. I may say something that may offend
a lot of people, but it's hard to understand her
plight because she's such a compulsive liar.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You know what it could be though, because she doesn't
actually own a home here, So maybe they were like
dipping in just to see if it would work out.
They would like if she could stay on the show.
And now she's like, Okay, I'm going to get a
second season and he's like, well, I guess I'll move
there there.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, there may be a good, good reason for it,
but it's that's something as apparent. You'd be like, we
something has to really force.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
This, And Kate, you watch a lot of reality TV
and analyze the kind of the game and the scenes
and what are people trying to portray themselves as this
scene was clearly orchestrated to clean up some loose ends.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It was cleaning up the streets.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Her husband are going back and forth kind of like
just planting like breadcrumbs of well, this is why we
did this, and this this is why he lives.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Because everybody was like wire that all the kids in
different homes and did you lose custody and so it
was kind of a up with the kids. Well I
don't know if she had an intentional conversation, but it
was like, wait, you know, we're so glad we're all
back together, like the bands back together and we always
were going to be together. And yeah, it's she's like
trying to clean up the streets. Well.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
She also says that she was always a supportive mother,
and being supportive, uh means allowing your kids to make
their own.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Decisions about where they want to live.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, what if the kids said he want, I want
to quit school and beat off all day?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, you'd be like, follow.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Your t Because I think what she was trying to
say is like the court system sometimes. I don't know
if it's like this now, but I know that when
I was little, my mom, or at least my mom
told me that the judge would go okay, which parents
live with, Which is like a horrible position to put
a child in because ultimately, wherever you choose the other
parent is like you're an asshole kid and you're not
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going to get anything.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well, it's just burn.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Katie was pretty consistent with kids, just saying you're better
off with your dad.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well we get we roll the tap on this Emily situation.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
My wife's blowing my phone up. I just want to
make sure she's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh no, okay, okay, So Pat's got child's care emergency.
The children are fine, They're just they're just stranded.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They're just straighted smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, they're just rolling dice on the corner. So anyways,
and Ellie's really good. I don't know how she makes
the dice do what she wants them to do, but okay,
so we roll the tape on this Emily at the
reunion thing, and we've been doing Miami at Patreon dot com,
slash another podcast network. I would equate. I always kind
(27:37):
of liked Emily and thought her dunking on chain was
very fun, and then when she did this at last
year's reunion, it was pretty gross. So I kind of
equate that to Gerty's text at the cancer gallup moment
like this is last season. That was a point of
no return for me and Emily. I'm not the biggest
(27:59):
fan of her after that. What say you?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Sometimes I well, I should say, this show just totally
bores me. I feel like it's the same sort of
like high jinks, like I've got some food in my
bag because my husband's a little dorky, you know, piece
of shit, and like I don't know, and like nothing
really changes on this show. It's it gets kind of
boring to me. So I think I've let go of
(28:25):
the little piccadillos that annoy me about each person and
I'm just collectively like, why doesn't the show ever get better?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you're just lobottomized all the way through.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
It kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that I don't know what they
can do. I mean, I think that one of the
things about you know, these these franchises need real money.
Me and Ruby talk about it a lot, I think, so, yeah,
you know, we do not watch this show to see,
(28:56):
you know, moderately successful people have melodrama with one another,
Like you have to go to both ends of the polls,
like we need to see, you know, teens that are
catching catfish with their banger hands fighting with each other,
or we need to see you know, filthy wealthy people
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You know what. I think you're right, And you know,
it just came to me. We look at these shows
like a social experiment, and it's a it's an interesting
like research experience to see how problems that we all
have would be different with somebody who has a lot
of money. So like, do we care that much about
how Gina navigates shit that we all deal with? No, no, no,
(29:39):
I want to see is it different if you have
a lot of money, you have a jet, you have
multiple houses, Like, how does that differ than the people
I know in my neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And I wonder if Heather's kind of like acridness would
soften a little bit if there were more wealthy people
around her, because her being the richest person and talking
about it as often as anyways.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, that's a good question, do Okay, let's say
they hire someone. Would that rattle someone who likes to
be at the top of the station or would that
mellow them out?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Nothing would be better for this show than to have
someone wealthier than Heather to brow on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know what, that's a good point because think about it,
like Louis adele SEPs was always like, well on the
count's wife and blah blah blah. And then how did
they destroy that for her? They get Carol Roswell right, and.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Then we witnessed the Amelia Earhart Yes spiral downwards for
the next couple of seasons, and it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That it was worth watching for that.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Wea so worth watching. So anyways, we get to bowling
with Emily and the gang. Shean throws a ball down
the lane and Emily says that was so hot.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Bowling just doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Sorry, but I don't know that it's ever done it
for any woman ever.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't think so, I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It was so crazy to hear a woman look at
her husband, be a Shane or anybody and say that
was so hot. I mean, I don't even care if
it's freaking you know, Michael, see Jordan throwing that ball.
I mean, I agree, it's not hot, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
So that scene first started because I'm working through logistics
all the time, because you know, a lot of these
people don't actually even live in that area. Heather, her
kids go to school in Los Angeles. They don't even
go to school in the County of Orange. So I'm thinking,
I know exactly where that bowling place is. So you've
got Emily, who's like a good thirty five minute drive,
(31:45):
Gene's probably forty five minutes from there, and then Shannon
lives somewhere around there. Like you got to make it
least practical, Like would those two people ever, for example,
am I going to drive to meet you to go
do lawn bowling? No, it wouldn't make sense. You'd be like,
let's meet halfway right.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And halfway between me and you is what the City
of Industry.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, yes, or something.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, so we're I mean, I don't think there's really
anything to do other than hit the outlets out there.
But I mean, listen, it's it's still up in the air.
So Shannavadoor heads in with a new man that she
met on Love Hotel. She really cleaned up on Love Hotel,
got a lot of relationships, a lot of contacts out well.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they could have also been like, this show
didn't do really well, so why don't we throw these
guys at bone and let them appear on real houseways
of Orange County. I also didn't like it when Gina said, well,
all these guys, you know, are they in it for
the right reasons? Is it because they want to be
mega famous? And I was like, I don't know if
John Jansen is mega famous. He's niche, well known, but
(32:48):
not mega famous.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But but it's a kind of famous that doesn't really
net you anything, like.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Oh certainly not.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like people are still like revolted by am and even
if they weren't, I don't think that they would be fawning.
And John Jensen has the kind of fame where and
if he approached let's say, a company with any kind
of product, be it wellness or material goods, they would say, no,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
How do you work in the angle? I was a
boyfriend a Real Housewives and that makes that company go.
Now we've got to work the angles on.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
The Yeah, not gonna happen, all right. So Gina asks
about Adam's retirement plan. She really kind of puts him
in a vice cript, and Travis has to come in
and say, hey, Meatball, leave them alone a little bit
for suthing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How are those two back together?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
What was the so he moved out?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It happened in the shadows. It happened in the shadows.
And if I was Travis, I would have never forgiven
her for what she did. But there's also this thing
where Shannon is talking about this guy wanting to have children, and.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know, obviously, wait that guy who went with her,
that's the one she was talking about.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes, he wants kids, Yeah, he wants kids.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
The guy has full Barbara Bush white hair. Yeah, what
so wants to impregnate a woman.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
So there's okay, So listen, everyone can can want for something, right, right,
of course, But but and so I don't want to
be judgmental with people like you know, you don't know.
Maybe he lost kids, maybe he was never able to write,
(34:27):
so so maybe that's what's going on. But if he has,
but they.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Also live in Orange County, and to understand Orange County
is to know that all of the men that are
over forty two years of age believe that they should
be with a twenty four year old.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, exactly. So Shannon is not going to have any
kids because she's you know, she's an older woman. But
the fact that you know this is a little bit
you know, this is what's a little discussing about the
male male hubris. Why is your brain not shut down
on this opportunity? Like you mentioned you you're white and
(35:01):
red all over Santa Claus. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, no, no, no God. So, by the way, did you
hear what happened with that bachelor, the New Golden Bachelor.
He's from Newport Beach and he's sixty six and he
played football University of Michigan and became in his lawyer.
So he does this interview on a University of Michigan
podcast and he's kind of like gloating about how they
asked him to be the Golden Bachelor, and he's bragging
(35:25):
about how he told a producer, I don't want anyone
that's under No, everyone has to be under sixty. He's
sixty six. I don't want anybody who isn't fit and
wears wigs. And then people were horrified to go, why'd
you choose a guy from Newport Beach? It's a sea
of veneers here. It's dudes in like convertibles on human
(35:47):
growth hormone with tight T shirts who think they should
be with the twenty four year old woman.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't say whites only, which I'm
sure he might have been made he'd given him enough time,
but I think he could have gotten there. Good note
that it's like, what the likely scenario is that Pat
has driven to go pick the child up from the
dice game and put the cigarette butts out. But me
and Kate are gonna finish this episode strong.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So, by the way, is he cursing as he goes? Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Is he?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Like?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back, I'm
gonna try to talk him off the ledge. Okay, because
this is never.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
How can we play a prank on him. You know,
I'm not sure, Well can we do That's so funny?
Like he jumps back in the chair, and then we know.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What we could do. We could you know, you could
send him a text, and I could send him a
text and separate text and just talk about, you know,
really how blown away we are, at how unprofessional was
and I could just be out of here and not
take his calls.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But I think he's already having a bad enough day,
so we'll save that for another time. Okay, So we
wrap with Shannon and Emily talk about hey, uh, not
hate or not liking.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Katie and Shannon. Shannon keeps saying things like she's never
gonna speak to her ever again, and it's like, Shannon,
you're on to tell me you're going to talk to her.
So we get to Ryan and Jen. The kids aren't
well adjusted because they've been in flux quite a bit.
And then we find out that Dawson, you know, we
talked about this last season, but he is going to
join the Marines. God, God, blast, God bless, Thank you
(37:30):
for your service, thank you for your Harrison is another
child who you know, obviously smart kid, gone into USC But.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
By the way, I'm very impressed. That's hard to get
into USC right now.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Very very difficult to get into USC. But yeah, I
mean listen, when I was in high school, I mean,
kids that had perfect GPAs weren't getting into the USA,
So it's totally it's tough to get in. But USC
is a fantastic school. It's also a breeding ground for
(38:03):
douchebags and it's a racket. So it's seventy two thousand
dollars a year, correct, and Harrison needs a little bit
of financial assistance in order to get into that school.
Now because of that, he needs his brother evidently to
co sign the loan, which Dawson did without letting his
(38:27):
mother know.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Now, well, by the way, can I just say, yeah,
how awful to not have a conversation about the reality
of what the parents can pay for before he applies
to the school he gets, you know, the word that
he's gotten in and way to dash this kid's hopes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
There are so many confusing things about this, like, yeah,
I want to know really just how disgusting this ex
husband is, because I would like to I can't think of,
you know, short of child abuse and murder. I can't
really think of anything more disgusting than having your child
(39:13):
co sign on a loan that he or you cannot afford.
I agree, it's bananas to me. But then we've got
this thing and you know Pat and I always you know,
Pat's very thrifty and he looks over contracts a lot,
so he doesn't really have a lot of time for
people who sign bad contracts. And I go, Pat, you
got to you gotta think that these are very predatory industries.
(39:35):
And I was thinking about, you know, and who's to
say who's right and who's wrong. I think I think
Pat's right. You know, you got to do your homework
on these things. But what kind of contract or loan
is advanced further via the signature of an eighteen year
old who is smoking pot in his car and coming
home late at night and just goes, I'm going to
(39:56):
join the Marines. What documentation or financially agreement he's advanced
by that? Like, what is happening there? This whole thing
was they.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Could show this video at a congressional hearing.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Honestly, I think Katie Porter would do a lot with
this video. I agree with you, Okay, So we have
to get to you know this, this lunch with Tamara
and Heather. Tamer's very down to the dumpsite. I was
concerned that Tamra and I do not think that Tamra's
above this, but I I should say, I'm waiting for
(40:31):
the moment where she I don't know, maybe she won't
but weaponizes and utilizes the the Teddy situation to get okay.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I will say this. I did talk to her during
that period of time when Teddy was just first diagnosed
and Tamor was like comatose.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Was like, how am I supposed to film the show
where I because that's her business partner too. I mean,
obviously they're very close friends, but I do think there
is some authenticity there. I don't know how it's going
to play out, but I talking to her in that
period of time, I am going to throw her gigantic
bone she was catatonic.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well let's just call it a wishbone and make it
like one of those dog treat wishbones. But no, she
They do seem like they're good friends, and that's always
a painful thing to go through. But Heather has planned
an expensive party.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
By the way, that place that Tamra and Heather met
up with Heather would never in a million years go
to Mozambique in Laguna Beach. That's like outdated furniture and
design and has likes watered down in the birds. Like,
that's the funny thing about this show is like they
purposely make her film in places she would never go.
I love that. Yeah, And what was that thing about
(41:43):
the champagne glasses? She was like, don't bring me a
champagne glass.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I think that put people in in the know in
the champagne world. You know, evidently.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's better to be in a like like a champagne
or like a regular wine glass.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
We were all forced and to float and it's not conducive.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
This was like we were programmed to believe that there
was a special, unique quality to these glasses that make
the experience desirable. But what you're telling me is it's
fine to just put it in like a tumbling.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, not only is it fine, it to put it
in enough fluid is actually to destroy the bouquet, if
you will.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Of okay, yeah, yeah, it breaks down the notes of
peach and strawberry.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It really undercuts the experience, right, got it so interesting?
So Heather likes her shams, but she's planning an expensive party.
Terry Debro, who looks like a mouse that was turned
into a prince and is now an old prince. But
the spell didn't work all the way and that was
a weird way to describe him, and I want to
apologize for that. But he says, how much is this party?
(42:49):
So the one that she threw at Nobu was thirty
five grand. This is four times more expensive than that.
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You're going to get some of that cut right by
the caterer or whatever. They're gonna get some deal.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
They're going to get some you know something. Well, somebody
will pay for something, you know. I'm sure that that
weed stand probably showed up for free. But uh, I
don't really understand throwing parties for people in general. But
(43:20):
when you're when you're spending this amount of money, it's
just such a foreign desire to me. It just seems
so crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
You know, Well, it's it's flaunting. It's braggadocia at its
highest point. I have been troubled to under I've had
some trouble understanding some decisions that they've talked about at
this season, like the last one from last season about
their house and the eight million dollars. And that's surprising
(43:49):
to me if it's even real, because how there seems
like she's got an iron fist and has like Excel
spreadsheets that late next to her at night. So how
could they let eight million dollars?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know, I think, you know, we talk about Umami
Burger quite often. You know, I think that they have
so many properties that I think they might be stretched
tooth in And this was their their you know, their baby.
So I do think if Heather was on top of
any project, it would be this one. But perhaps they were,
you know, stretched too thin and they got done over
(44:19):
by a contractor. I'm not sure. But dude, we are
so all over the place. I have to plug my
freaking computer and I just got the Okay, sorry, this
is a horror show. Okay, let's get to the party.
What what is this building? Is it known in Orange County? Oh?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Thank you for asking me. Okay, so right near South
Coast Plaza, which you know that that mole. Yeah, there
is this monstrosity over the top hollaciously decorated white building
made of like granite and dripping concrete, and it was
occupied by Trinity Broadcasting Network, which was like prosperity Gospel,
(45:01):
prosperity Gospel. But once they left, there was nobody who
would actually want to have that building. And it's like
it's got some anchorage. I understand.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
They had a fucking amphitheater there.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
It's weird. So then I understand that somebody in town
may or may not have purchased it, who's like a
quasi socialite. So I do sometimes see pictures where like
socialite and socialite adjacent will go there. But it's such
a weird, like they must get it for free, because
no one would choose that place because the way it's
(45:36):
situated along the four h five and how ugly it
is inside and out. It's just a mystery. But it
just shocks me that Heather would want to have a
party at a place like that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's amazing how like Kirk.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Cameron has spent a couple days there, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:50):
For sure, it's bananas to me how lucrative Prosperity Gospel is.
Like think about how much your rolling in when you
can get a building like this and then just move
on from it. I mean, my god, they have the
fucking Sistine chapel wallpaper on the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
So you think that there are cameras in the bathrooms,
I'm gonna go with you.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh yeah, ohh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
By the way, I when some when things are so bananas,
I call it banannery. I've said that, like, when do
you explain it?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know? Can I say something? I usually I don't
reference crazy situations as as bananas as often as I've
done today. But but yeah, but the total bananay Ryan
had knee surgery the day before. Like we mentioned, like,
if you had knee surgery, how many like, Okay, let's
(46:45):
say you're a socialite, you're invited to two events a month.
How many no's are you going to dole out before
you get back on your feet, because I'm probably gonna
be like at least six to eight months.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I'm just saying no, oh absolute Yeah. But this guy
strikes me as wanting to be a Broadway start like
broad Wait baby. He sings in the shower, He does
a lot of head shots, He looks a lot in
the mirror. He runs through lines of auditions that are
never gonna happen. He wants to be a sta R
and maybe with a double R.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, it's it's it's bananay. You know. Pat often says
that men as they they get up in age, dress
in the decade or era where they got the most action.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, oh wow, that yes, that sounds of that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
His style is is weird because I don't think there's
any way that he could have dressed like that when
he was getting the best action. It's like he's adjacent
to that style, but he's he's tiktoked it up.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, thank you. I was just going to say, I
feel like he dresses as if John Johnson was in
a boy band.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, it's so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I mean, TikTok.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Everything about the guy is so trashy.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
He's also really dialed up the tan in a in
a Louis Ruellis sort of way. I don't do. Dudes
at that point go the tanner. I am the buffer
or younger. I look like a lot of women will
get the tan because they think, like, look skinnier. What
does the super tan do to a man?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
You know, I've never really understood it. I think that,
you know, men who are not Italians from the Tri
State area are really not that concerned with the hue
of their skin. You know, if they you know, if
we're going to a lake house for a week, we'll
probably come back a little bit tanner. But outside of that,
(48:55):
I mean, I don't know, Donald Trump seems fairly preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
What if they took all these skis or boyfriends and
put them on some sort of apprentice fight like no,
like reality show, like Louie and Ryan competing for you know,
three gold Plates in the Mountain or something.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So are you talking about boardroom
competing show or are you talking about like the challenge?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I mean either or but boardroom might be more fun.
But like who would the contestants be. They would be Louie,
Louis Dolores's boyfriend, Ryan, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
We would get Todd on there.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Uh oh with that question, probably have on there.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, And I think a boardroom show might be good because,
you know, in Trump's absence, I think that Omerosa could
really helm up the reboot of that show and having
all of these men, Oh I know who else?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And I got a media quest to see if I
wanted to interview him Jody for Miami Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was participating Marcus Jordan show.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
In perfect perfect This is Yeah, this is a great
come up with I don't think it's quite Traders, but
I think people will tune in, so listen.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
This party is absolutely insane. Matt gets there and says,
what are the odds on this party? I love that
Matt is uh still bringing up the fact that Ryan
is a degenerate gambling.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Crew, but now they're posing it like they're like, yeah,
their buddy boys. They hang out like I cannot imagine
those two hanging out.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And I think golf guy loathes him and is not happy.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I have to say I have spent time with Matt
and I thought he was a very normal person. But
then I'm always struck with the agreement to appear on
the show. Does that make you not normal?
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Katie is one of the most beautiful people I've ever
seen on the show.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I would have forgotten to bring it up. Stunning woman,
stunning woman, like beyond stunning woman, Like where are you
in the world? Pageants?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
It's like crazy, unreal. So I think that he I
can understand why he may have gotten uh, I don't know,
caught up in the web of deceit and criminality, and
why he's on the show.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So anyway, Shannabador gets there, walks in with another man.
She's got quite the roster, Phil. I think Phil might
be my favorite. He seems like a pretty chill guy.
But this is when we get the tour of the building.
And as you mentioned, Christian Television compound, did you.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Spot Taric and his wife Heather from HG They are friendly,
They're in that social group that Heather kind of dips
in and out of when she comes to the County
of Orange.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
How's Taric doing? Had a little?
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Uh, I don't know. HG TV shows.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know, yeah, yeah, no, our institutions are dying. The
talk show, the HGTV show, all of it. Okay. So
Gretchen hits the party and we talked pretty openly about
not only breaking Slade's cock, but we go into granular
detail about what it looks like when the blood flow arrives.
And if I was Slay, I'd be like, hey, what
(52:13):
are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah? Yeah, a lot. I can't imagine a guy would
be down with that. That being brought to the table.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
No, I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like talking about like a woman having mes titis or something.
It's like, it's not your place to bring this up.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
No, no, no, let's not talk about the aesthetic of
anybody's genitalia without their written and verbal consent.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Thank you, I agreed.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
So at some point Shannon goes over to the food says,
this is all fattening. Phil says, well, not the sushi.
She says, you know what, I'm gonna go in, grabs
a grilled cheese, and then is confronted by Katie. Not
a great start. Katie is breaking down whether Shannon was
inside or outside. And I worry that that arguments or
(53:00):
attempts at resolution with Katie. You know, I think that
she may have some kind of personality disorder because when
you're and I know, freaking you know, dime store therapy
over here, but when you're arguing with her, she seems
to throw forks in the road at you a lot
(53:20):
of the time, like Katie is not really addressing the situation.
There are lots of diversions here that Badoor storms. Badoor
is just too frazzled really all the time to contend with.
But Shannon bears down and just says, like recording me
is illegal, and I don't really care if you're on
a zoom call I don't care who you showed it to.
(53:43):
Recording me is illegal. What do you think about her
saying that she is the most evil person that she's
ever met and that she's worse than Alexis Bellino.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, I just hamra That sounded like somebody who is
all too concern of other things that may have been filmed.
Like maybe you know when like if you've had two
glasses of wine and you go to sleep and you
wake up and you're like, oh, did I d am
the wrong person? You know, did I you know, spill
(54:17):
something on the carpet and not clean it up, like
you're just there's a moment of panic, like, oh God,
what did I do? I feel like that is Shannon's
entire life. She's perpetually panicked about what she may or
may not have done. So that, to me, that reaction
was a bit of that. But that's compounded with Katie's
(54:37):
audibility to never really get frazzled. I mean they're all
coming at her and she's just sort of like, Okay, yeah,
you're right, I did that, or she.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Is pretty I gotta tell me.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Like it's so you have Razzle Dazzle with teflon and
it's it's.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Never gonna work. And did we mention that.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
She's stunning beyond she a model?
Speaker 1 (55:01):
She should have been. Get in the comments let us
know what you thought about the episode, how we should
have pranked Pat. Go listen to Reality Life with Kate Casey.
Go to the website. There is nobody better at breaking
down the docs that you the docs, the murder, the
celebrity interviews. Seriously go over their supporter, leave five stars,
(55:23):
kind words, tell her that we sent you and until
next time, I am Dylan saying goodbye, Kate, say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Thank you
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