Marvel Secret Invasion | REVIEW

Grab a beer and join us as we talk Marvel Studios Secret Invasion show on Disney plus

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Listen. I just want to say, if anyone enjoys this show the finale,
hate like, more power to you. You know. I always say
Basket Robins has seventy five different flavorsbecause we all like Corvids, vanilla.
We all can like different things,you know, except for that goddamn Halo
show. But I will die outof hill. I hear it to say,
if you like this show, thenyou know, don't take our critique
as, oh, hey, youguys just hate stuff. I mean,

(00:20):
I'm actually a fan of Marvel.I like a lot of the stuff that
they did in Phase one. I'mactually watching a lot of the Phase one
stuff with my niece who's four,and she's watching and paying attention to a
lot of things. I mean,watching the First Adventures movie. She's able
to grasp concepts and sit there andbeing pathetic to certain characters too. You
know. One of her favorite charactersis the Hulk. She loves, you
know, like him smashing, beingfunny. So watching that stuff with her

(00:41):
and then coming back and watching YouCan Invasion, I'm just like, man,
we were far cry of where weused to be in quality all.
We want to welcome to the show. It's and I. We're talking about
Marvel's Secret Invasion TV show on DisneyPlus. For those who have not been
following along, it's about a secretinvasion of aliens from one of the planet
called Scrolls, who were shape shiftinginto some powerful dignitaries across the world and

(01:04):
trying to secure Earth as their ownplanet as they don't have theirs from a
war that blasted them into space andfound their way here to Earth. You
may have seen them in in previousMarvel titles like Captain Marvel, in which
the green creatures were good guys,posted to the comics they were bad guys.
Now the show takes a huge departurefrom the actual comics, in which

(01:26):
the Scrolls were shape shifting into theAvengers, into a lot of the Marvel
heroes that become to know and love, and everybody was on their toes because
they didn't know who was a scroll, what was a Scroll? Who was
more? Like? We want better? Why good? More? And the
TV show instead of them morphing intoall of the heroes that we know and
love because some of them were deadand the MCU is different than the comics,

(01:49):
they're taking on some world dignitaries weretaking on some random people essentially,
like I think Chris called them theflag Smashers and whatever episodes because it's basically
the same thing. The series ofsix episodes long, each ranging from about
like thirty two. I think thelast one is like some of an hour.
Chris, before we talk about thefinale, what did you think about
the show as a whole? Whywhy did they bother with this show?

(02:10):
There's they it's like so weird thatby the end and we'll get to it,
like I don't know, I feellike there have been like several of
like the new or like things inthe last few years have like dropped like
huge kind of like world shifting events, but like none of them actually acknowledge
the world shifting events from the otherthings, and this one is kind of

(02:32):
like no exception. By the timewe get to the end, there's like
weird stuff and I'm just like,are they actually going to acknowledge this like
outside of this show and where arethey going with this? It's it's a
lot of it's a lot of weirdness. I just I don't know why they
made this not so great thing andnow it seems to have like it's gonna

(02:53):
have weird repercussions if they even botherwith it. I don't know, man,
what are you feel? How youfeeling if someone's asking you? We
hay man, I have a certainamount of time I like watching some of
these shows. Is Secret Invasion worthit? No no hesitation? It really
isn't like if like if you aretrying to catch it, like if you're
trying to watch everything, like obviously, okay, fine watch it, but

(03:14):
like I just don't know what theshow was trying to do. We all
like Nick Fury. We like howhe shows up in the movies and things
like that of being like this bosslike head of this organization and he like
somehow has all these like connections andcan pull things out of his ass and
that's kind of fun, like hesees the big picture of stuff and this
it's like he's the guy with theboots on the ground doing stuff. But

(03:36):
like nothing but like it's it's kindof boring, like very little actually happens
in the show as a whole overall, Like it wasn't a great story.
It's weird to put Nick Fury inthis kind of role there. It wasn't
particularly like interesting because a lot ofthe aspects of the show, like we

(03:57):
made the joke earlier. It feelslike they stole so much of it from
Falcon the Winter Soldier with even sosomething like I love that show, but
like some people didn't really like itso much, but at least like it
had something to say where this justfelt like there's complaints about like the amusing
AI to actually make the intro titlescreen, and it almost feels like they
used AI to write a Marvel showbecause it's like they're just taking these different

(04:19):
elements that like already exists in throwingthem in a mishmash and it doesn't pay
off. Yeah, it's like they'retrying to do a couple of different genres,
right. They're trying to have likethe spy intrigue espionas is sort of
like like the Born movies. They'retrying to have like a little bit of
commenting in there because it's Marvel,and they're trying to do like Invasion of
the Body Snatchers sort of like alienhorror type thing. But if it doesn't

(04:42):
really gel together, and it doessometimes feel just joint it and completely with
you on, it's feeling overall boring. I mean listen. I just want
to say, if anyone enjoys thisshow the finale hate, like, more
power to you. You know.I always say Basket Robins has seventy five
different flavors because we all like goldavanilla. We all can like different things,
you know, except for that goddamnHalo show. But I will die

(05:04):
in that hill. I was downon the hill. But yeah, I
hit it to say, if youlike the show, then you know,
don't take our critique as, oh, hey, you guys just hate stuff.
I mean I'm actually like a fanof Marvel, you know. I
like a lot of the stuff thatthey did in Phase one. I'm actually
watching a lot of the Phase onestuff with my niece who's four, and
she's watching and paying attention to alot of things. I mean, watching
the first Advengers movie and Iron Manand stuff like that, and like she's

(05:27):
able to grasp concepts and sit thereand being pathetic to certain characters too.
You know. One of her favoritecharacters is the Hulk because it's like adorable,
little like child like like cartoon show. I think Nick Junior something like
that has like a bunch of theAvengers on it, and she loves a
Hulk she loves, you know,like him smashing, being being funny.
So when he came down for theMCU, she was like, Oh,
he's not the Hulk. I'm like, yeah, it's a Hulk. Hulk

(05:47):
smash, she would say, justa hulk smash every time he's on screen.
It was awesome. And then fastforwarding to now watching like like like
going over my sister's eyes watching thatstuff with her, and then coming back
and watching Good Invasion, I'm justlike, man, we were far cry
of where we used to be inquality. Yeah, it just seems like
it seems like storytelling has been lostin the like since Endgame, where it's

(06:12):
more about what is the spectacle wecan put scene to see? Was the
fan service we can do? Whatare the different like references we can make
instead of trying to like tell agood story. And I think that,
like like Guardians Galaxy three kind ofreminds you that, like, oh,
this is what happens when you dosomething that's like story first, and this

(06:33):
show is just like I just don'tknow what did like how did Nick Fury
actually grow over the course of thisshow? Like there was no real movement,
Like what what does it actually matter, Like where Nick Fury ends the
end of the show is basically wherehe was at the beginning of the show,
So like, what what happened here? How did we just spend the

(06:56):
last six episodes of our lives?Like why does this actually matter? Like
you just came in and threw shitaround and then left. It's weird.
Yeah, seriously, And they're tryingto tell the story of the scrolls,
wanting to take Earth as their ownat least this like faction of Scrolls,
right, because like they've really soldus on. Oh, like scrolls are
mostly good for I don't know whythere's that whole dynamic here. I think

(07:17):
they're trying to make something more interestingthan the comics quote and like do their
own thing. So you know,comic book readers from decades, we're like,
well, I don't know what I'min for when I watched the MCU
because it's much different than when Iread in the comics. But sometimes it's
not as interesting as as as theythink it is, Like I really go
back there. I think sometimes thesecreatives think they're cooking, but what they

(07:38):
give us is something sort of blandand tasteless and needs more salt, more
seasoning. It needs a bit moremore heart, it needs a bit more
passion. It seems sometimes these thingsare made by committee, or these things
are made by modern day writers orshowrunners or people who don't understand why audience
like certain characters or why we likecertain things. A prevalent theme in modern

(07:59):
day writing in modern day like showrunning, a weird thing is is in
geek entertainment, we have heroes.We have people who are essentially better than
us, right, we have peoplewho can fly, have super strength,
you know, like laserized stuff likethat, and we're watching these things to
sort of like escape our current day. And for some reason, some of
these this modern day or scriptwriting inmodern day show running in movies want to

(08:24):
bring them down to our level becausecertain people don't understand these characters if they
aren't taking the same depression pills asthem. And maybe perfectly I don't really
like that point, because you know, you have Nick Fury, right,
so this show really should have beenlabeled like a Nick Fury show. It
shouldn't. It should not have beenlike Secret Invasion, that should have done

(08:45):
a whole other story. Have NickFury do what character piece that's fun.
They're trying to do an interesting characterpiece with Nick Fury. They're trying to
show you more about the character ormore about the guy. But a part
of what makes Nick Fury hero anda part of what makes him intriguing is
that we don't know about him.I mean, Chris, like Tony Stark
said, he like Nick Fury isthe spy, he's the spot his secrets

(09:07):
of secrets and I think personal inmy opinion, when you start explaining certain
things away and you started to givemore light to things, it really takes
the mystery away, and it takesthe intrigue and the heroism of Nick Fury
away. Like I see a lotof people like the show because you get
to learn more about Nick Fury,right, But to me, he seems
like they're doing the Zack Snyder thingof like deconstructing the hero to understand them

(09:30):
more, like break them down totheir atoms, like put them on a
table and dissect him like a frog. In bio can be like, oh,
that's what makes him take Oh that'swhat's going on here. I need
to know every single piece. Ohthat's how he digests food. And to
me, I'm just like, whydo we need that. I mean,
he's this mysterious guy who has thismysterious connection. He always I mean in
every movie it's like, how doeshe know that? Or how is he

(09:52):
here? Or what's kars mad?He has this contingency planet and then he's
like, oh it was just girls. Oh it's actually wasn't here. Oh
everything is like to me. Inmy opinion, they really broke down Nick
Fury in this series to be lesserthan he was perceived in the movies.
And I'm even not really like alike a like a Nick Fury main guy,

(10:16):
you know what I mean. He'snot like, you know, my
main hero or someone that I lookup to or or whatever. You know.
When I was growing up as aas a little boy, I loved
Batman because we had Batman the animatedseries, one of the most go to
shows of all time. And inSpider Man, we had the ninety Spider
Man. I really liked those charactersfor what they stood for, for what
they did not, because they wereexactly like me. And we have this

(10:37):
weird thing of where these these writers, director showrunners need to break people down
to their atoms and make them likethem. And it's so strange because I
don't need my main heroine character liketaking the same medicase I don't need.
It's just like we see for me, like but put on some icy hot

(10:58):
in his knee because he's Oh,I don't need to see that, Like
what do you like? What doyou do? For those people who haven't
watching, it's not in the show, But I just say that to say
that, like, these writers arebreaking down heroes to a human level and
not making them as heroic as theyshould be in order to sort of,
I guess understand them better, becauseI don't know if they can't understand characters
unless they're just like them. Ohthey drink coffee just like me. They

(11:22):
have depression just like me. Ohthey're unsure, just like me. I
can understand this character now I couldn'tunderstand them before. To me, that's
what it seems like. It's sostrange to me, I think it would
have been like that would have beenokay if that's what the show was supposed
to be about and that was thefocus of it. But it's not.
But a lot of what they likehappens with Nick Fury, Like a lot
of it is him just like standingaround talking to people, but it never

(11:46):
it never goes anywhere, Like Ithink, like I don't mind that they're
like, oh, by the way, the reason Nick Fury knows so much
is because he has a secret networkof Scrulls that have been gathering intelligence for
him like all these years. Likethat's fine, but like that's a line
in the show and not what theshow is about, which is what is
I think the most infuriating thing aboutthe show is that so many of the

(12:09):
best elements are things that they hintat that happen offscreen, not what the
actual show is about. Like youjust don't care about these characters because they're
like, oh, these guys arecoming here to destroy humans? Why they
need a home? Well, likedidn't like didn't they all fly here on
a spaceship? Like don't doesn't likeisn't that the whole thing of like sabers

(12:33):
up in the air and like it'sit's like I felt like it was hinted
that it was, like the scrollsare up there, like why is everyone
stuck here? Like they're from outerspace? Like why haven't they been hunting
for another home? If that isthe case, it's it seems it's it
just seems like a manufactured problem,and again it's just weird because they just
they're the flag smashers, Like whydoes this need to why do we need

(12:54):
to rehash this? And like Ijust don't believe that they created a compelling
enough like villain with a compelling enoughor like an interesting take on why they
want to take over, why theywant to destroy the humans, and like
it's just not it's just not agood enough premise. And then the show
becomes about we need to stop theseguys, but not about like, oh,

(13:18):
the secrecy of it, because wehave this like big network of spies
that we're trying to eavesdropping on thingslike that would have been a fun show.
That's not what we get here.And it takes way too long to
tell a story. This, thiswhole show could have been an hour and
a half movie and it would havebeen, you know, not great,
but better than friggin six episodes.Yeah, because at the core of the

(13:41):
show is the Scrolls are stranded onEarth or whatever. Right, they had
a war with the Cream and stuff, and like they used to be this
like race of warriors and you know, they got spanked all the way to
Earth, and yeah, they camehere on a little rocket ship. And
we we just watched Gardens of theGalaxy three, right that that came before

(14:05):
Marvel's Secret Invasion, and in thatwe see all these different planets, all
these different locations and places, andpeople just go around the galaxy and go
to different different spots like you're takinga taxi, or you're just or you're
it's it's not it's not crazy tojust go to a different part of the
galaxy. And Gardens of the Galaxy. Oh, here's nelievis here, here's

(14:28):
there, we're gallivantick over here.We having's fun over there. We're eating
stuff here, we're barbecuing, andthen scrolls like, yep, there's no
possible way for We're just here.There's no other it's and it's so strange,
Chrise because the whole show is like, okay, we're here, we're
stranded. Nick Fury is like,all right, I will take care of
you guys, all right, butin return, you will work for me.
And they're like, okay, fine, you'll give us a home,

(14:50):
you'll find us a home, andwe'll work for you. Okay, sure
we can shape shift, will willbe your spies. And I would have
liked Chris too. I agree ifthey showed that network, if they showed
them working, I mean, hell, even in the first like you know
Captain American movie where he's like destroyingall the Nazi bases there released on montage
of that. I mean, whydon't have a montage of them working?
Dude? If they did a montageof the entire MCU up to that point

(15:13):
and everything that Nick Fury knew andyou're seeing like a scroll like reporting back
that because they're in the correct spot, like that would have been fun as
hell. That would been a greatcall back. It would have been easy
too. Like it's not like itwould have trended. It would have blown
people's minds to me, because thinkabout an endgame when they use time travel
to to go back to all ofthe different Marvel movies and stuff. It's

(15:33):
just like, oh, New Yorktwenty twelve, right twenty fourteen. I
was like, Yo, that's crazy. You know. Imagine if in Secret
Invasion, just like you said,craz like they show us all the MCU
and they show us like all ofall the scrolls. Yeah, you know,
like doing their thing reporting to Fury, him having the network, him
sending them out omniscions that would havebeen in same But what did they do?

(15:54):
They have this reoccurring theme in thisshow where Nick Fury is old useless.
Everyone around him keeps telling him thathe's old and useless, and I
see that to say the network ofscrolls he had and how he's Nick Fury.
They made it a point to belike, hey, you are the
way you are, you are inyour position. You got promoted because of

(16:17):
us. We did the legwork,we we did everything, we shape shift
they had, like we got thesea creats. It was because of us.
You're running Nick Fury because of whatwe did. And it kind of
seems like damn. So they wererunning the show and they probably survive.
Nick treats them like dogs too,like he treats them like dirt the way
he treats tails. I was like, man, if Nick Fury gets shot

(16:37):
in this, I won't care becausehe's being a total dick. I feel
bad for people who Nick Theory istheir main guy, their main careca like
their main boss, because you havehim. Did Ryan Johnson work on this?
I mean you have like like likewho inside is? Just like all
right, what we did to LukeSkywalker to Han Solo and from what I
hear and Dana Jones, we're gonnathe same thing to Nick Fury. We're

(16:59):
gonna have him monologue and literally saythat he is useless. Tells is like,
I need you to say the wordsyou are useless without me, and
I am nothing, And I'm like, what are you kidding me? Imagine
if they had, like for somereason, some deconstruction of Captain America and
they had caps in that he wasuseless without like Peggy, or he was
useless with with without Iron Man andhe's used without like Maria Hale, or's

(17:22):
useless without like some other or BruceBanner. What that's so weird? Dude.
It was like in h and WhyI hated the James Bond Specter because
they were like, oh, bythe way, I was behind all of
this, Why because I freaking saidso, Like there was it was.
It was supposed to be a weightymoment, but it didn't have like enough

(17:45):
stuff behind Like there was not enoughbehind it to actually make it land the
way that they wanted it to.Because the show, again, the show
wasn't about like Nick Fury dealing withthe fact that he took advance of the
scrolls. It was about the scrollstrying to stop this other scroll who's pissed
for like some seemingly irreverent reason.Right. And then the reason that gave

(18:11):
us was the main guy graphic right. Uh, you know when when he
was a young scroll, a youngscroll boy, you know, like Fury
promised them all, hey, I'llfind you guys at home, finding because
the planet just worked for me whatever, And I guess he looked up to
Fury, that was his role model. And then he's like, well,
you lied, you weren't working onsomething. You used us like dogs.
And in the end, well,what do we get for nothing? We

(18:33):
didn't get a home, we didn'tget a planet. And Few was like,
yeah, you know, it's it'seasier just to you know, play
get the humans then to try toput you guys in a light. And
it's hard to find you guys athome. I mean, what like Fury,
with his knowledge being up in Peakinto like the shield like spaceship,
is just like, oh no,there's no other planet out there. We
can't like move some of these scrolls. Before he even knew there were a

(18:55):
million of them up on the planet, on planet Earth, I just don't
understand the story here, and Idon't understand that the motivation, And when
it comes out, he's just like, you know, all this stuff is
on you. You know, theterrorist attacks that we're doing. All this
stuff is because you promised us athome and you didn't deliver. So now
we're we're we're bombing people and we'retrying to cause World War three with with

(19:18):
this plan to make the Russians likeand America fight each other to set off
yas and we will take over theplanet because we can live in radiation or
whatever. I'm like, what all? Because he's like, you didn't find
us a home? Ah, itseems so again it's it's like it's exposition
that's doing more work than what we'reactually seeing. Like again, if the
show was about Nick Fury trying tocover up the fact that he's you know,

(19:42):
using these people and like not doingwhat he said it was going to
do. But he's just like,I don't know, I looked, I
couldn't find it, and then andthat was and I didn't tell you,
But like that's that's it. That'sall you get. You get like two
lines of that. Again, whathappens off screen in this in that aspect
is more interesting than what we actuallyget on screen. Man, some people

(20:02):
out there, oh man, likey'all are some Normanies, y'all are some
muggles. Because I've seen the chatteron the interabs, Chris, where people
say that Gravick is one of thebest MCU villains and they're not that's not
true at all. I've seen YouTubevideos so people sincerely talking about how great
he is, how menacing he is, and how he's up there. I've

(20:23):
seen I'm not gonna name his names. I've seen a YouTuber, prominent YouTuber
who gets press access I don't know, uh, you know, like at
the premiere who was just like,you know, graphics up there with with
kil Monger and Thano. So I'mlike, wow, that is incredible.
Cap you are lying, that isincredible, absolutely incredible. I mean,
Chris, like, what do youthink about that? Like Gravick as the

(20:47):
villain in this right, he wasa scroll little boy. When Fury was
gathering the scrolls together, saying hey, I will promise you, I will
get you a planet. Just workfor me, be my network. He
grows up, He's like, okay, he hasn't been delivering. Now we're
going to exact revenge, and we'realso going to just take over this planet.
This will be our home. Nowwe will eradicate the humans all because
this man I looked up to didn'tgive me what I wanted, and now

(21:10):
this is our home. And allthe stuff that he did, like bombing
places and using his own people andeven like killing one or two of them
to get his way, it's no, I mean the problem again, like
it's they hint at that he dida bunch of work for Fury. We
don't see any of it. Wedon't see their We do not see their
relationship at all. We see moreof like Talos's relationship with Gravic more than

(21:32):
we see Fury's relationship with Graviic Aand B. No, because it's literally
the same plot as the Flag Smashers, except like the Flag Smashers have a
much more believable reason because we sawthe gravity of what happens when half of
the world gets erased, and thenthat has the weight of that event from
happening, which we saw across severalmovies. There was an entire movie about

(21:53):
like bringing people back, and thenwe now know that these people that have
been gone for five years, nolonger have a place to go. Like
that had so much more weight behindit, So it was so much more
believable in Falcon the Winter Soldier thanwhat we see here, because it's like,
yeah, I'm I was furious,right hand man. Why because I
said so? Like, oh,they couldn't find a home. How do

(22:15):
we know they couldn't find a home? Oh because he said so? Like,
Oh, I'm pissed. I wantto blow this stuff up. Like
why I don't I don't understand.I don't even understand, Like Amelia Clark's
character Gaia, like so why sowhy are a you with them and be
if you're not for this? Likewhat are you still doing there? Like

(22:36):
what are you doing like one wayor the other? Why are you for
or why are you against this team? I don't, I just I don't
understand. They do not do itin good enough job of establishing this is
how we got here for me tocare. Yeah, Amelia Clark's character Guy
who's the daughter of Taylors, wesaw it, Taylor's talos Uh in the

(22:57):
other Like Marvel properties here, he'ssort of like Furies like best friend,
he's his right hand man. Hewas like his top agent, I guess,
if you want to put it thatway, and his starter guy out
was like sort of joined the rebellions, so sort of joined the splinter group
of Scrolls who were kind of bad. And then she was like, wait
a minute, well, you guysare too extreme. I'm kind of not
down for that. And then whenshe's talking to her dad, Taylos,

(23:19):
he's like, hey, you know, I'm trying to make a better way
for us, you know, tryingto show the humans that were good,
and I have this plan where wesort of do good and then we sort
of go ask the President of theUnited States said, hey, we've been
doing good. Also, aliens canbe can be chill, and guys like,
I'm not down to that plan.The plan's kind of dumb, but
I'm also not down for you.I'm just kind of I'm a part of
this operation, but I'm kind ofnot Like there was really like her character

(23:42):
was, what's her motivation for anything? She literally joined It seems like she
joined this like terrorist group because shewas angry at her dad. She's mad
at her dad, so she joinsthem. He sort of agrees with that
they need a home right, likeshe feels for her people. You can

(24:02):
tell she's love for her people,but she doesn't agree with like Gravick's methods.
Right. He's like, okay,well, what if we just wipe
out people, or what if youjust haven't bomb each other or you know,
just you know, and then wecan live here. That's funny.
She's like, no, I'm notdown with that. And she's not down
with her father's playing either, Soit's like, okay, so why is
your character here, Like what arewe supposed to take away from it?
Are we supposed to take care?And they really don't build up guy Emilia

(24:23):
Clark's character up too much to wherewe actually care. Hey, you don't
actually see her wrestle with these likeproblems at all. She just kind of
does it like, Okay, dadcalled, all right, I'm gonna go
talk to dad. Oh well,I let him know what's gonna go on,
but I'm gonna go murder these peopleanyways, and then still follow this

(24:44):
guy. But okay, later Iguess I'm gonna I'm gonna betray them and
then jump ship. But then likenot really it was it just felt weird
that not seeing again, like notseeing where she was conflicted. It just
seemed like she would just do whateverthe last person told her. Yeah,

(25:04):
and and it seemed like it liketowards the end, she's like, Okay,
well I'm fully against against Gravic,you know he I don't know,
like I just I just didn't didn'tcare, absolutely did not care. You
know, I didn't care about Graviic. I didn't care about like you know,
Guya, like like Taylors, youknow, like even when Taylor's which

(25:25):
is like like you know, cryingto fury about like what was going on.
And I was just like, thesecharacters aren't written and created that well
to where I really gravitated towards them, to where each week I really wasn't
looking forward to like hitting play andturning on the episode. I was just
like, you know what, Iwill get around to it. And it's
not to like you know, shooton Marvel or anything like that. I

(25:45):
mean, you know, when OneDivision came out, I mean people like
stood up in set up to watchit, you know, like Midnight of
the West Coast, my mom did. My mom's not hasn't watched any MC
stuff, and she wanted to watchOne Division. That's awesome, and what
does she think of it? Shewas like, I love the first three
episodes and then it stopped being thatI didn't know what to believe and I

(26:06):
was like yeah, and then ofcourse, because you haven't seen like all
of the other Marvel ship beforehand,like you're confused as hell by the end
of that. Yeah, yeah,absolutely, And I mean and with one
division, I think it was morecreative. It had this like eerie Twilight
Zone theme of like there's something goingon behind this right, there's like this
this town. We don't know what'sgoing on, like everything's changing. We

(26:26):
know one is involved somehow, butevery there was a mystery to that.
Yeah, there was no mystery toSecret Invasion like at all, Like Fury
knew everything that was going on.It was like cool, like we kind
of know how this is gonna end. The only question is like, what's
going to happen in between now andthen? And the answer was not very

(26:48):
much. Yeah, dude, Imean, I mean, I mean,
just look at the audience. You'reeven here in the liveshin, I mean,
like so so sol ghetto guy.There's there's supposed to be much Uh,
They're supposed to be much bigger.Then I remember talking to my friend
we both were getting hyped by this. Yeah, you know, yeh,
like people were looking forward to this, and it was a lots. I
mean I was sort of looking forwardto this because you know, I remember

(27:11):
years ago when our buddy booster,Greg what was talking about Secret Invasion,
Like I always like like like we'rereferred to to greg or Casey or we're
comics. I remember what when whenSecret Invasion was going on and I was
like, oh, what is this? And I've seen the art and I
was like, oh, yeah,it's about you know, scrolls. He's
shape shifting aliens like taking over theAvengers. You know, it's like,
who's really a scroll? You know, like an Electra? What was killed?

(27:33):
She turned into this green alien?Everyone's like, whoa, what the
hell is this? You know,like there's there's a part towards towards the
beginning of the story where you know, like Tony Stark and Read Richards are
just like what what what this?I wasn't Electra? What the hell is
this? Like? This is agreen alien here? Huh? What the
hell? And then you know,like to Tony Stark was Read Richards a
world smartest man, He's like,how did we not know that this wasn't

(27:53):
Electra? How did we not knowthat this was an alien being? And
and Read and Tony and Everyone's like, oh, I don't know, Like
this is insane, it's anyone elseand it's and it really got people thinking
like, oh, man, arewe being invaded? Like what's happening here?
You know? And then there wasan invasion and at one point there's
there's a spread in the comic where, uh, you know, like the

(28:15):
alien ships are coming out of orbitand they come down to the Savage Land
and our heroes meet up with them, and then out of this ship comes
our heroes, but older versions ofthem, I mean, like like previous
versions, you know, so insteadof like the modern day like Hawkeye who's
now rowning, it was his oldlike like purple costume of Hawkeye, you

(28:37):
know, the older costume of youknow, Spider Man, like older costume
character in America. So they're comingout of the ship like, oh hey,
look at these guys, and you'relike wait, what me, Like
what guy is this? And justlike yo, listen, look what the
hell's going on? They start fightingeach other. So she got like Spider
Man going against Spider Man, Catversus cap and they're just like, oh
man like and it was such acrazy event and so many things were going
on around the world at the sametime, and when you would kill them,

(29:00):
they would morph into these beings.Are just like, wait, so
who is really a skull? Youhave like Tony like scanning people secretly finding
who is who? You know,uh, Hawkeye's wife, you know,
like at one point because like sheshe was ahuter as well, you know,
he's like, tell me something aboutOctober twelve, twenty three, taught
me something about as he points hisarrow at her face and she's like,
that's we're not that's when our kiddied. And he's like, okay,

(29:22):
they wouldn't have known that, youknow, and just yeah, there was
none of that. There was nolike there was there's that that cliche of
like the two was it. There'slike, you know, the person on
top of a roof holding a gunto two people that look identical and they're
both trying to convince that person thereal one. That was not the moment.

(29:42):
I love that movie Trump Shoot Him, No, shoot him taught me
something you would right, Like,there's none there's none of that like it
was the fact that people could turninto other people didn't like, didn't matter.
Yeah, the majority of the show, dude, the people they turn
into, like why did we care? Right, I mean the world leaders

(30:02):
woo. But it's just like welive in a climate now where like that's
not crazy, okay, because ourour real reality. Okay, like we
don't look up to our politicians anymore. Okay, So them being green aliens,
it's like, okay, yeah,sure, who cares. But what
matters is if they were the heroesor people who we look up to.
I mean, I mean, ifyou think about if they still had Catain

(30:22):
America, it still had like TonyStark, you know, or even Hawkeye
now Ronan, it's just like whoa, But they turn into people we didn't
care about. There were regular peoplewho were scrolls like who cares? I
mean the whole like Crux and thewhole thing. Why you know, like
Secret World was crazy, it isbecause it was the heroes. It was
these people. I mean, Imean that holds the whole scene from the
comics where Hawkeye is like pouring agoddamn arrow at his and is what he's

(30:47):
supposed to be his wife and he'sasked, like tell me something about this
date, only you would know.And it's when they're they're their kid died,
and it's like holies, Like therewas no gravity like that, you
know, like like tell me whoyou are? You know, it's like
are you stru I trust you?And everyone's just being you know, like
and and and all the while thescrolls were like methodically killing some of the

(31:07):
heroes and they were going around andyou know, like like trying to like
sabotage like Iron Man's like network becausehe was ahead of Shield. There's not
that here, you know. Likeso it's like, why don't I care
about the worlds? I guess apolitical intrig about Okay, what if the
world's like like governments and leaders werealiens who were trying to destroy the world
for them to be in power.But I never felt that gravity at all.

(31:30):
No, I think it part ofit. I think part of it
also, like the ROADI of itall, like the fact that Rody was
the one that was like pushing tofind Fury and whatnot, Like what if
like what if he wasn't like hewas there, but he wasn't actually the
one that was like doing this stuffand then at the very end you find
out, oh yeah, he's likeyou know, he gets shot, and

(31:52):
it's like, oh my god,like that would have been a huge reveal.
But the fact that he just waslike so uncare characteristic from like what
we've seen him in and they showedso much of him, it was just
like, yeah, well, ofcourse he's a fucking scroll, Like like,
it wasn't. It wasn't. Itwasn't the surprise that you, like

(32:13):
you you thought it would have been. There was no like I was half
experience, like expecting that the presentin the end was going to be a
scroll, which would have been likea much better reveal because you because you
haven't seen this care you haven't beenfollowing this character the entire time. It
was just yeah, I just didthere was this show didn't have ten There
was no tension in the show.You kind of like you knew where everyone

(32:37):
sat. You like, of coursethere was gonna be a big fight at
the end. I just I don'tknow, man, Like, what what
did we get out of the show. I still get a guy, you
know, Oh that one guy fromthat was from Shield and war Machine was
a scroll? Oh my god.I mean Roady turning out to be a

(32:57):
scroll. Our very own TV's Casey. He says, you know, it
breaks the character, it does alot of things, and and I agree.
But at the same time, theyreplaced you know, like like a
Tarran tire with Don Cheatle and theysort of like like Roadie's been there,
but they haven't really made him amain character. I mean, he's been
a side character. He's been apowerful character, but they haven't given him
the same gravity as the mains.And when he's revealed as a scroll,

(33:21):
I'm like, Okay, he's aside character. He's a sidekick, you
know. I mean he had apretty good role in inn Endgame, like
not a primary role, but helike played a huge part in that.
Yeah. But but still, likeI don't it's a big enough character that
like what that he's been around.Yeah, Like he's not someone that disappeared.
It's it's it's not as big aslike, oh, like doctor Strange

(33:43):
was a scroll the whole time,Like oh, like right, this kid's
version of Carol Danvers or one ofthe mains or even like it'd been crazy
they brought in like Shang Chee andit is just like, wait, what
scroll? You know, but itreally didn't didn't hit me. And when
he was revealed to be a scroll, like we all saw it coming from
a mile away. Apparently some tradesdidn't or I think I don't know if

(34:07):
it's paid advertising or whatever, oryou know, like some may maybe there
are normies who really didn't see itcoming, because there was some trending articles
and training like social media posts aboutyou know, when that episode happened and
Roddy was revealed to be a scroll. There was some article titles. It's
just like you know, like Marvel'smajor reveal and in secretivehase it has of
fins like going crazy and it's justlike what who like like your ordinary like

(34:32):
co worker who like thinks water istoo spicy, I mean like who was
really like whoa like Rodi that's crazy? Oh my god. I mean dude,
like like like like my like likemembers of my fan who were older
it might might have senior you know, like we're just like yeah, yeah,
of course, of course it was, dude. The funniest shit in

(34:53):
the world would have been after theylet all the people that have been captured
go at the end if Roddy wasthat when they got Rody it was really
tarn toward. That would have beenthe fo That would have been great.
Yeah, I actually that would havebeen the thing to bring people back to
Marvel who jump ship. That wouldhave been trending. That would have been
I would have popped off. Thatwould have been the justification for that article

(35:16):
title and and all the other tradeswho are really were trying to make this
show pop off. That would havebeen crazy. It's like, oh,
he's he's he's he's war machine.That that would have been crazy. You
know. They just they make amendswith him, they back up their brinks
truck. They're like, hey,you know, like so sorry about cheapening
out on you back in the day, you know, and uh yeah here

(35:37):
here you go. I mean thatwould have been crazy. But yeah,
like Rody being I really didn't feelthe gravity of it when I was watching.
I'm like, yeah, sure,okay, that that's fine. I
do think don Cheatle did a reallygood job acting in this. I think
he didn't phone it in. Ithink he brought it. There are a
lot of good scenes with him andhis acting, you know, him being
a malicious scroll, him growing upagainst like Nick Fury, which which brings

(36:00):
me to something that I really datingcare for. We got Sis, will
get a guy in Chad h Rutuwho wrote this, hey Man Modern Day.
It just makes it hurt more becauseyou want this to be good and
it seems they were caught sleeping atthe wheel. If they want to redeem
it, have one of the Marvelsturn out to be a scroll to the
Marvels movie. That would be hugeif one of them. I miss Marvel,

(36:21):
Captain Marvel or Photon. I mean, I don't think they would make
it Photon because he would care.You know, I really don't want I
like, I'm done with scrolls,Like I'm absolutely done with s girls like
you had your shot and you blewit. It's like I'm done with the
multiverse. I'm done with I'm donewith scrolls, Like let's let's move on.
And it sucks it because like inMarvel Versus Captain, I'm three of

(36:42):
super scrolls are my favorite characters.And he was so interesting and like he
was complete. He wasn't Gravic,he was a completely different character. I
can't, I can't. His nameis something alien. It's it's really crazy.
But his character was so intriguing andI remember like just like reading stuff
about it. I remember like talkingto Casey and Greg and getting like like
digital comics and stuff because I waslike, this character so sick. I
love using him and it was justso much fun to the voice. I
think it was amazing. The moveswere sick. Uh. And then I

(37:05):
get graphic as well as we're goingto that. So so we have ROADI
and uh and and like Don Chidle, so Don Schiddle think did a really
good job of acting. There wasa couple of moments where he and Fury
were talking and talking about how youknow, he came into sort of like
like like fire Nick. Fury's like, oh oh they sent you, Like
no, I volunteered, And itmakes sense not because he's a scroll,
but the whole conversation and something Ithink is so strange. So I talked

(37:30):
earlier about how we we get intothe geek entertainment we talk about, and
we watch these movies and TV showsto sort of have an escape from the
reality. And I really don't carefor the modern day writing thing of him
trying to bring us back into realitysort of to echo our real world,
because that's how these writers can onlyunderstand these characters like I always said,

(37:51):
if they made a Green Lantern moviewith John Stewart, who is African American,
they would really make the story abouthim being black more than his character
traits and what makes him a hero. That that's like, that's how reporting
on his story about a firefighter andtalking about his race and not talking about
how he saved like ten people froma burning building and what he had to

(38:13):
do to get to the last personwho was in an impossible area to get
into, and how he powered throughit. And it's and imagine him being
into People are like, hey,so, how does it feel being Hispanic?
It's like, what's like? Brother? I just like barrel through,
like I fall, Like I hikedup a four story building that was on
fire. There was a guy ina room I had to bust out of
door. I had to use everysingle skill and all of my strength and

(38:35):
might and will to get this guyout of here. And you're asking me
how it is to be Hispanic?What's who cares? Like, Hey,
who can't? What are you talkingabout? And I say that to say,
for whatever reason, it's a theme, not just here, but it's
a theme I'm seeing an entertainment wherewe're not looking at the characters for their
traits, for their heroism, oreven the villains, but we're looking at

(38:59):
like their their identity or whatever.Because every time Fury had a sort of
quiet moment to himself or whenever theywant us to learn about the character,
it would always go back to,you know, feel like like Fury is
on a train. M I rememberback in the day, can you survide
these trains? At least not atleast not in the white secs. I
had to stay in the Colorge section. I was like, what the fight?

(39:21):
It says? And I'm telling youright now, like me and my
Fami, we didn't care for thatshit. It's not something we vibe it
in general. Where we're watching aMarvel Entertainment, Marvel Studio property, we're
watching the fantastical, the fiction,right, heroes and villains, powers,

(39:43):
all this stuff, and there's like, hmm, membery segregation, Remember what
do you why why why why?Why? Why? Why? Why why
why why? This is the bestyou can do? This is what where
we're thinking of Nick Fury gets amoment himself like they want to deconstruct the
character and have us learned more aboutthe character, And every single time it

(40:09):
just goes back to something I'm justsaying. My fam really didn't care for
it. We thought it was strange, we thought it was weird. We
we thought it just hit this.It's sort of like like by frosted us
out. Other than it's just like, you know what, like Thorne just
wants to bug out or get outor anyone from the Ascard, you know,

(40:30):
just some of the harmed out byFrost get us out here. So
every time there's something from the weirdworld, it just like buy, it's
like violently just rips us out.We're like, whoa, then like we
like back in our world. Youknow, it's it's such a strange thing.
And oh my god, hey RUTSI, Hey black Superhero, what are
your thoughts? And kind? Heyhey black Superhero, what does the light

(40:52):
being black? And said, hey, you have an infinite network of spies.
You you've you've messed with the Avengers, you know about aliens and fastical
things. You have all this knowledgein your brain. Hey, but what
my segregation. I'm like, whatmiss me? Absolutely miss me with that
bullshit. In my opinion, Iwould rather not have these like trauma dumping

(41:15):
into my fantastical fiction. Where I'mjust trying to escape the real world.
We're looking at Nick Fury. Thishero has an ultimate spine network. He's
working with shape shifting aliens from beyondthe stars, and he's on a train
talking about segregation. He's talking abouthow like like he and Roody having this
conversation about oh, you know,like men that look like us, and

(41:37):
I'm like, yo, listen,Yes, black people have these conversations with
each other. There are times wherewe do have these like like conversations with
each other, you know, aboutbleeding black, about the experience and stuff
like that. Yes, but man, I think would have made a much
more interesting conversation with Roady and Furyif it wasn't about that, if it

(41:58):
was about the job and things that. I just I just think it's so
strange. Every time Fury had asilent moment to himself, it just comes
up. It's I don't know,man, I just think while I'm watching
Marvel, I don't want to bereminded of that shit. I don't want
to live in that world. Imean, we're in Marvel. It's gonna
rent. I think we talked aboutit before that, and it comes back

(42:20):
to like having a vision for thestory, and we've talked about it in
you know, a couple of differentaspects and a couple of different things.
Is if it doesn't serve the story, like why are you throwing it in
there? Like when they talked aboutthat, like in Falcon the Winter Soldier,
when there was that that that otherlike the other Soldier that got the

(42:42):
super the super serium, like thatmade sense because it's actually served It served
the story, right, It waslike that. I thought that was great,
awesome, but it wasn't just likethrown in as a as a line
like it happened so many times inthis And I will say, I do
want to defend iron Man three realquick. I do like iron Man three,

(43:04):
and I like the stuff, andI do like that stuff in there,
but only because again, it servesthe story. That's what the story
was about. It's okay if youdon't like that, That's what the story
was about. Because most people justdidn't like the story as a whole.
I like the story as a whole. I thought it was an interesting take
because we've already seen, like youknow two, we've seen so many times
of iron Man just iron manning aboutand I liked personally, I like that
they kind of take him out ofhis element, take him out of the

(43:25):
suit for the majority of the movie, and I thought that was fun to
have some time with Tony Stark.But I also understand like why people don't
like that. But again, doesit does this element serve the story?
Yes? Or no? Yes?Okay, cool, Like then we'll lean
into it. But it's all thiscomes down to is like Disney editing man

(43:46):
likes it just felt like filler.It just felt like filler. It wasn't
like like like what did that conversationactually Like how much did that conversation actually
drive the story? The answer isit didn't. It just wasted like five
minutes of my time. But thenlike compare that to this being a similar
thing as a fallout to like CaptainMarvel, and it's like it's like just

(44:07):
like what were the like what werethe stakes? Like there's he was just
like, oh, I guess youguys are now my like my secret spy
network now, not like, holycrap, there are aliens. How am
I dealing with this? No,he just was like, Okay, this
is the thing. Why because hesaid so and we don't actually see him

(44:28):
like you know, dealing with thefact that you just recruited an entire like
a good chunk of an alien raceto come like do your bidding, and
now it's years later and you're justtreating them like crap. Why. I
don't know, because we didn't havetime to do anything else, seriously,
Like it wasn't really fleshed out,and there were so many things in here

(44:49):
that we're sort of thrown away tothe side. I mean, you know,
like like still get a guy inchat. You know they killed Maria
Hill. I mean, yeah,everybody likes Kobe Smolder's you know, everyone
has like a soft spot for her. I think she's fantastic, and as
Maria Hill, she really sort oflike made a name for herself. Every
time we saw her on screen,everybody loved her. You know. She
was just like great, like likecan Dow person. She she got things

(45:13):
done. She represents the alternative tothe heroes that we see because we're all
used to seeing superheroes. It's like, okay, well what about the person
that doesn't have supers have superpowers.I love how they would they would give
her jokes, but it would alwaysbe in like some serious toy you know,
because she was like a soldier,you know, And so every time
she was on screen, everybody sortof reach choice and everybody really liked the
character. And to kill her offin a Disney Plus show in an episode

(45:37):
sort of to give again trauma dumping, to give the audience some sort of
impact. I mean for people whodon't watch the Disney Plus shows, and
there are people who don't, youknow, next time there's a movie or
the next adventurous movie or whatever,and it's just like they don't see her.
I mean, are they going toreference this? Is she just dead
in the background? I mean,why did she really go down? And
then you have like her mom belike, oh feary, she she followed,

(46:00):
you followed you anywhere. It's yourfault, She's dad, this is
terrible, like you piece of straight, Like god, damn, just add
to the list of everyone calling Furyjust old and useless. Oh my god.
But also he didn't like ignol likeI feel like there were You're right,
there was no like weight behind it. He was just like, Yep,
that's what she signed up for.Goodbye. She knew the deal.

(46:21):
Like, like, why many peoplelove that character? Are you kidding me?
Like I've seen people like like likecosplay as the character and like comicon
and stuff, and it's just like, okay, she's she's and she's gone,
and it's gone. Okay, okay, wow, oh my gosh.
But let's let's get onto the seasonfinale here, so oh my god,

(46:43):
oh my god, so longs torestore it. And and we've been talking
spoilers this whole time, everybody.But if you haven't seen the finale yet,
hopefully you have already by the timethis comes out. And we're talking
about right now. Oh man,the the finale. Man, we have
what spoilers though, like what actuallygot spoiled in the show? Like it
was that freaking dull. There's nospoilers. Nothing had consequence in this show,

(47:06):
so it doesn't even matter. Don'teven bother putting a spoiler war inning
on this because there's that bad.Also, this final episode thirteen percent on
Rotten Tomatoes, by the way,the lowest rated Marvel property. And as
much as like I enjoyed Miss Marveland my my family did too, it
was it was a low rated aswell, but not as low as No,
not that bad, yeah, JesusChrist, I mean Aruti and everybody

(47:30):
in Chad is asking like who wrotethis, because, I mean, you
have Nick Fury suiting up right,he is trying to get grab at the
guy who's trying to start World Warthree. He's making moves. I mean
he already made. It seemed likeNick Fury was bombing certain places around the
world. He and his scroll crewmade it seemed like they were Russians and

(47:50):
they were attacking an American convoy.Do you mean civil war the plot of
Civil War? Yeah, seems familiar. It's sort of like we did before
smashers Civil War. Man, it'slike a snake eating its own tail.
So Nick Feurer is trying to stopGraviic from starting World War three that he's
making himself and his cohorts with likethe Russians attacking in the American convoy with
the president in it. Uh.And and you know we got Roady who's

(48:14):
a scroll saying, hey, itwas the Russians, like we've gotta we
gotta like destroy like a certain facilityof theirs. We gotta really kick this
thing off. And and Graphic islike listen, listen, listen to listen.
I'm trying to take our people tothe next level. I'm trying to
take my soldiers the next level.I'm trying to get us to be super
scrolls. And it's so funny theway he's just might as well just looked
at the camera, you know,super scrolls, and and the fact that

(48:36):
that's all it takes for certain Marvelfans. Listen, I'm a Marbral fan.
Two. But some of y'all arereally you guys gotta calm down,
Okay, you guys listen. Idon't know if you guys are bored or
you have too much going on inyour life that like someone saying, the
thing is all you need in anyof these properties. I mean, like
like in any other projects, somekind of hot tub time machine. I
love that some kind of looks atthe camera hot tub did God bless Craig

(49:01):
Robinson bro like the line delivery thatmovie is still killed her this day,
rob Corgy, God bless you too. H Like Ron Corgy has one of
the best lines. Like in thatmovie withhef they thought like he like,
they thought he was trying to killhimself because he was just like in his
car on the girl's like no,no, no, guys, I was
trying to kill myself. If Idid, I would do it right shotgun
to the dick. That's hilarious.Anyway, going back to this stupid thing,

(49:27):
like Chris brings up something completely betterand like we much some more happier
we got just going into that anythingelse besides the show Jesus Christ. Look,
Chris so so Gravic is like,all right, super Scrolls, how's
it gonna do that? Apparently heknows somehow well. Okay, who's in
the Feury network about something called theHarvest where essentially there was an idea to
gather the DNA of all the superheroesand villains and all the fantastical creatures and

(49:53):
beings that have come come in contactinto Earth and they put their DNA together
and do this thing called the Harvest. So all of their DNAs in this
little viol on this little sort oflittle tequila shot, right, So graphics
like little I want that tequila shot. I want that cocktail, right because
if I put it in this madeup machine that we put together, it

(50:13):
will make us super and give usthe powers of everything. Right, Because
if you guys are knowing the comics, there is a super scroll. He
has all the powers of the FantasticFour Okay, so he has like the
things rock. He has like aninvisible woman's like force fields or an invisible
rereachard stretchy thing and flame boys flameon you know, Oh you mean the
finale of Rise of Silver Surfer.Yes, exactly, against Sneaking. It's

(50:37):
on tail like it's again, we'vebeen here before. It's almost like in
that writers when they're like, hey, how about this, and everyone else
is like, oh, that soundsgreat. Yeah, it's like maybe because
we've seen it. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds like
a great idea. So fears like, all right, a right, a
right, If if you're gonna startWorld War three, I'll give you what

(50:58):
you want, just leave Earth alone. Here is the harvest. Here's all
the DNA of all the heroes andsome of the villains I put together.
And guys in this cocktail. You'vegot the DNA of thor Odin's son.
Right, You've got Captain America,We've got Captain Marvel, we've got the
Hulk and Abomination that's sort of redundant. Whatever we've also got is it on
the side of Black Panther as well. I don't know how that works because

(51:22):
a heart shaped herb and that's kindof yeah, I also don't understand.
But so before they do this atthe end, like got grout, which
which they don't say the word crew. They say Flora could colossa on the
screen. They also got Korg's DNAsomehower whatever. Yeah, that's really strange

(51:45):
and unlike this episode two they werethey were reviewing because some of them get
like some of the powers early on, like they got grout and then extremists,
like the way they kill themselves isextremists and like they actually you know,
they said, you know, grouton the screen. That was like
what the hell group DNA? Howis this gonna pay off? And then
like later you remember an Ironer movielike like I'm Durin's character. Yeah,

(52:07):
you know where he was glowing andstuff. I'm the man Durin. Yeah,
and he can sort of like youknow, regenerate and revive. So
that's that's the extreme people what we'reconfused, like, oh wait, where
does that come from? Like that'syeah, I mean I get it,
but like that's not DNA, LikeI get okay, like group DNA like
whatever, it's dumb concept like whatever, I get that, okay, But
extremist is not DNA. It's likeliterally this concoction that they give each other

(52:29):
that allows you to you know,grow back pretty much any appendage that you
need. I wonder if that isgoing to either payoff or strangely not payoff
later on in some strange climactic fight, but whatever. Yeah, and also
adding the DNA of tracks, thankyou. Yeah. Also they have this
concept together. Uh yeah, Andand early on in the episodes, Yeah,

(52:51):
we saw like Gravica use like likegroots like arm thing whatever, like
how do you get the DNA ofgroot? He doesn't bleed, he's a
tree. I whatever. It's marvelanyway. And also that concept of collecting
the DNA like that would have beena cool show, Like that would have
been like I want to watch thatshow. All these background postage processes and
all these things that happen off screenare always much better than what we're kidding

(53:15):
on screen. The concept of theharvest, like getting all again, Chris,
Like your idea of them showing thenetwork of the scrolls going around doing
things, showing them getting that DNAgetting that stuff, I mean could come
on like are you kidding me?It's it's it's insane because it definitely they
definitely and Mantis as well her DNA, and it definitely would have gotten that

(53:36):
maybe around the time that of theChristmas Special. Maybe maybe, I mean,
I just think it's the the AfterEndgame, Like where's the shot of
After Endgame where everyone's you know,everyone's and they're like, what, where's
the like kind of vultures scrap teamshowing up to like fix things, and

(53:58):
then you see scrolls in the backgroundlike collecting shit. Like that's that's the
show. I want to see Adamthe Guther for Group sat Blood this Sap
Groot sap oh man so so sortof Fury does this thing where he goes
to Gravic And remember, the scrollsare hiding out in nuclear facilities. A

(54:20):
dumb thing you said early on inthis series. Oh, we don't know
where they are, but they're hidingout in nuclear facilities that are abandoned.
Oh oh my god, it's soso stupid. There's no abandoned or active
nuclear facility that the American government doesn'tknow about that other governments don't know about.
Shield would definitely know, like,oh, we can't find them,

(54:43):
you don't know where they are,but we know that there's some abandoned nuclear
for whatever. So he goes tonuclear for his facility, and gravihics like,
hey you, M'm gonna bring somepills because of the radiation here is
kind of kind of bad. SoFury goes out there and he's all confident
stuff and he's just all like amatching the harvest. Here's the DNA of
all the black lawns pop thinking aboutit, oh yellow for me and man,

(55:10):
dude, like they have a conversation. I'm immediate, I'm immediately immediately,
I'm like, I'm like, that'sGuya. That's not Fury. Immediately
immediately, I mean, I immediatelyknew that that's that's not Fury, that's
Guy. I immediately knew. Becauseat the same time would be cut over
to the President who's in the hospitalnow from from the attack that Graphic and

(55:31):
his people did pretend to be Russians, and there's this whole like inter I
hate this, like the guys,guys, guys, editing, editing,
editing, editing, editing, editing. Okay, sometimes when you cut two
different scene, this is not Gameof Thrones and all of you can pull
this off. Okay, I needevery studio and everybody to get it together
just because you're seeing Ida in aconcept from some of the probatism. I

(55:52):
mean you can do it too,Okay. Sometimes intercutting two different scenes together
doesn't always work. Sometimes it's starring. Sometimes you need to stay in one
scene. You're not Game of Thrones, like you're not other properties that can
intercut different stories, like the hospitalsituation with the President and ROADI and somebody
coming through and taking him out,or we gotta move the president too a
different floor. Gain, I'm outof here and going back over to Fury

(56:15):
and Gravick talking to each other,you know, and graphics just like this
is all You're a full tuck.You're and like again with a deconstruction of
fear. You have this man puthis mitts on Fury's face and screaming,
and this is all your fun becauseof you spitting his face and grabbing him,
and he might as well have slappedFury just slapped him and call him

(56:35):
a bitch, Like damn, doessomeone in this does someone hate Samuel Jackson,
Nick Fury? What is going onhere? What is this character?
D I mean? Zack Snyder outwardlysaid in an interview that Superman is the
enemy couldn't wait to deconstruct him andbreak him down, okay, But like
somebody behind it seems to have beenlike, yo, I don't like the
fear of character. I wanna makehim like a bitch. Okay, because

(56:58):
like yo, when you have aman in another man just like screaming,
like like one guy, she's likehas his hands on his facious claws in
there, and he's spinning his facebecause because of you. All this stuff
is bitch. I'm just like,god, damn, what the fuck?
And Fur is all like I'm goingout. I'm like, okay, buddy,
that that's guy. Let's do thereveal. Gravick takes the harvest.

(57:19):
He's like, I'm not going toleave the earth alone. This is mine.
He turns on the machine and I'mlike, why does he turn on
the machine with Fury in it?Is he of the mind He's gonna die?
Yeah? Right, He's like,yeah, is that the concept that
the Gravihic was thinking, Well,Fury is gonna die because he's human and
this machine only works on scrolls,Like why is he in there with him?
It doesn't make any sense. Andthen the machine turns on and then

(57:40):
you know, Gravig's like, ah, yes, I feel a powerful now
when great and he starts to getat Fury, and Fury stops his punch,
and then you know, a hulkarm grows out of Fury and he
punches him, and I'm like,yeah, that guy. And then in
the big and and and you know, like Gravic flies out and then you
know, like like Fury starts walkingout, transforms into Gya and let me

(58:00):
just tell you, let me justtell you. I've watched some reactions from
some YouTubers. I'm not going tosay any names. I don't want to
shame anybody, but I'm just listen, Pete. I don't know what it
is. It just it just droveme crazy that like people were legitimately surprised.
How are guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, How are
you legitimately surprised if that was Guya? How the only legitimately surprised. The

(58:22):
only way that was actually surprising isif you thought it was going to be
Priscilla instead, Like literally, theonly thing except that the only difference is
that Guya has much more reason tofight Gravit than Priscilla does. The only
reason it was guya, right,or if it was like you know Fontaine,
it's like, oh my gods,Fontaine, you that's crazy, Oh

(58:47):
my gosh, oh my goodness.But like I was just like, how
are we all surprised that? Orare you guys all capping for the YouTube
views? I don't know what itis. I think you guys are capping
because there is no shot. Allthese grown adults were like this guy,
well, what's well, it's socrazy, I'm gonna come on, come

(59:09):
on. Really? How many peoplewere actually like Nick Fury is just gonna
walk into this nuclear facility and thedie of radiation poisoning, and that's the
end of the show. Like isthat really? How do you think this
is going to go down? Hecomes kills Over and that's the end of
Nick jury from you know, probablygood dude, imagine it's like oh and

(59:34):
and then the traits came out,like, oh, Marvel did a bold
move and killed off one of itsmain characters. Read the story to find
out more. It's just like whatand people, people who don't watch the
TV series, they killed Sam Jackson'scharacter and this, well, he killed
over in a nucer facility. Whatwas he doing? There he didn't take
enough pills. That's crazy. Sohe punches guy guy who punches him outside
the Big rafal it's Amelia Clark andthen they have this dragon ball z cgi

(59:58):
fuck fist battle. Oh oh mygosh, oh you mean the finale A
free guys. Right, We're likethey're morphing intern It's like again Christ,
this concept of like seeing all theseother properties, do you stuff well and
they're just copying it and it's notdone well? Man, I like I
give I give James Want all thecredit. I think it says for the
Conjuring is like a great horror movieand it doesn't do like anything new.

(01:00:22):
It brings all of these different aspectsof these different movies of these that people
love. But it does it well, and it does it and like,
yeah, let's like let's do this. This doesn't like at all. It's
just it's it's not like clever orintentional. It's just like lazy dude,
and explain to me how so Graphicand Gaya, we're in this machine that

(01:00:43):
gave them superscrill powers, right,Graviic had some of those powers beforehand.
We saw in a previous episode.Guya and gravick get these parts at the
same time. How do they immediatelyknow how to use all these powers expertly?
Are you kidding me? Like wherewe're getting an armor turns into tracks
like they Punisher's a foot, itturns of the Hulk, you got a
kick, you got blastroom, CaptainMarvel. They're they're flying around. It's

(01:01:07):
a DBZ fight, you know,like they're getting punched up in the air.
They're coming back down to Earth.Guys, it's so dumb. We
shouldn't be asking that question. Kennacomes out and she's like, sleep,
you don't know to do that.You don't know to do. And then
they both use a coreg arm becauseclearly they ran out of time to create

(01:01:27):
any other aspects besides a coreg arm, And so they did it twice.
Like each thing. You can noticethey like keep flipping through it, but
they both flipped through the same arms. Both of them at some point have
drags, both of them at somepoint have corg, both of them at
some point have abomination. It's thedumbest, most freaking like cost cutting thing
I've ever seen, which, likeI get it. If you're a CGI

(01:01:49):
artist, you want to save somemoney, like more power to you making
the most bullshit thing to save moneyon the most bullshit show. And a
part of the bullshit is that youhave like a when Gravihic kicks guy at
one point with the hulk foot,Uh, you pose it and he has
his ripped up purple pants. Whathuh are you get? You guys just

(01:02:12):
don't give it a fuck anywhere,Like there's no thought processes behind this,
there's no thinking. It's just wejust want a cool moment, cool things
happening. We don't care what thatmakes a zero sense whatsoever. And and
then and then as you're falling backtowards Earth, like Guya has Mantis's antenna
comes out, She says, sleep, you don't know to do that?

(01:02:34):
Uh, your graphic hasb oh yeah, ebbeny maw arm comes out and he
has it. Okay, So inthe DNA's his tennconet, these teleconnect powers
and Mantis's powers, Like, soyou get their DNA, so you immediately
know how to use their powers perfectly. It's it's just so it's my God,
like like I forget where I sawa video essay years ago about how

(01:02:54):
sometimes in action movies and modern daysettings and writing and stuff like that.
Like there they have meetings where theymake cool storyboard moments and they just need
to get to that moment, andthey sometimes don't care how they get to
that moment. This really reeks ofwe have these cool moments that we need
to hit and happen. I don'tcare how we get there, make it

(01:03:16):
happen. We need to have thissuper Sae Superscrull battle. We didn't haven't
used their powers. I don't carethat they've never met these characters. They
haven't mind meld with any of them. So they don't because if you know,
they have established in this show.In guys, I know some people
are just like who care? Who'smoral? La Listen. They've established that
these worlds are lived in, thesecharacters are grounded. They've established certain ground

(01:03:39):
rules, and in fiction, inwriting, if you are certain ground rules
and you break them, then thewhole world of the whole concept doesn't matter.
The Skrulls have the mind meld withpeople. Okay, James rhose Right
gets taken right, He's hooked upto a machine, the Scroll puts his
hand up. You know, theydo a vulcan mind meld. They physically
morph and then they have like amind mental thing where they get into the

(01:03:59):
characters they know how to do soif they don't have the whole reason that
all these guys are held hostage belowthe power plant. Yeah, like that's
the whole the whole endgame of thisis to free these guys that have been
held captive. And that's the onlyway the Scrolls know how to be.
Their characters know how to be theperson. So all that kids thrown away
for a cool scene, for acool moment. It's just it's just so

(01:04:24):
lazy. It's just so abhorrent towatch. It's an abomination in itself.
Literally, and the man they hitthe ground and right in the very end,
you know where we think maybe thatGravic has an upper hand on Gaya
because he's had the powers a bitmore, just like your father, eat

(01:04:44):
whatever. And then she Captain Marvelblasts him in the gut and he just
dies. Even though they both havethe same powerist ground at the same time,
they both have the Captain Marvel power. They both have the extremist word.
They can heal everybody, remember youkind of all arm kind off a
limb, you can grow things back. They both have the sea exact.
But for whatever reason, the momentis the moment we need. I mean,

(01:05:06):
I mean, I'm by again byfrosted out of this series in my
living room and into the rider's room, harm now sending the by frost bruh,
and I'm in the rider's room now, and they're like, hey,
guys on the white board, weneed we need to hit this moment where
Guya wins and Graviic dies. Idon't care how we get their hit this
beat. You freaking nerds. Makeit happen right now, right here in

(01:05:27):
this rider's room. They're like,she hits him with a Catherine Marvel blast
and he dies. Great, goodtime. Everybody that's it put it,
and the show put it out there. Who cares? Who like come on?
But then the other thing. Nowthey're left with, like this moment
where there was two of basically themost powerful beings in the world, then
one of them kills the other somehow. Now they've now established that Gaya has

(01:05:54):
everyone's ability. Dude, Let's let'stalk about that. Like what we're gonna
go from here, Like, nowthere's a universe where because up until this
point it's been Captain Marvel has basicallybeen the most powerful being in the universe.
Now there's someone that's Captain Marvel ontop of everything else. So like

(01:06:14):
I think of you remember Heroes Seasonone Heroes, not Siler, but Peter
Patrelli. Right, So Peter Patrelli, his ability is that he absorbs other
people's abilities and then he can justdo it, right, he does it
Siler in the end it can dohis thing and he figures it out.
But by the end of season one, Peter has all these ridiculous powers.

(01:06:35):
But then like they had to figureout where do we go now with season
two with this because it's a it'sa power struggle. They keep upping the
anti So they decide that this bigblast that happens basically makes it so that
he can only absorb one power ata time. Right, So that means
that there's a place for them togo, somewhere that they can build on.
Like where does Marvel go after this? Where you now have this character

(01:06:59):
who has established in a shitty TVshow is now the most powerful being in
the MCU. What the shit?Like I thought, honestly, I was
like, if this is how thisfight is going, Like, how are
they going to end this so thatthere's not this outstanding, crazy like power
plant of a frigging superhero. Ihonestly thought that two of them are going

(01:07:21):
to fly into the sun and thenthey both died. I thought something was
going to happen, that one ofthem is gonna sacrifice themselves to defeat the
other. Except no, they haven'testablished Gaia enough to be that compelling of
a character to justify like the weightof killing of killing her off. But
then they also haven't actually built thischaracter enough to establish the fact that,

(01:07:45):
oh yes, I want to rootfor this character when they get every single
ability that we've seen in the lasttwenty years. It's insane, dude,
it's I can't believe that in thisMarvel TV show they created the most powerful
being in the MCU to date,just absolutely uber powerful, you know.

(01:08:09):
And and so I kind a guy, I agree. I think they'll do
the thing where they'll nerve her withplot, or they just won't mention her,
or they'll move on with the otherproperties without mentioning her, which is
sober. I mean, just likeWhite Vision, right, he's he's out
there, he's Vision to get inthe car for like, and they you
know, don't worry, They'll justhave Phoenix toss her in his space.
I don't know, man, becausethink about this. It didn't happen in

(01:08:30):
a movie. It happened in aDisney Plus TV show. Right. You
have this being that as the powersof the DNA of Thanos, Drags Abomination,
Hulk, Captain Marvel, Extremists withthe with the healing and stuff like
that, Ebony Maw, Mantis,Groot, Black Panther in there for a
vision. I mean, all theseinto one being, and she's able to

(01:08:56):
use all their powers to the nthdegree, just completely understand all the powers.
Can use a will, can flyaround, can use his strength,
all that stuff. Just the mostpowerful being in the MCU. Just I
don't know if they thought of therepercussions of this. How nothing matters now.
I mean, they can just pointher at anything and it's fine.

(01:09:17):
But the thing is, I don'tthink they will. They're like, oh,
yeah, she just doesn't exist.We'll just move on with the different
properties if she's not there. Butlike, nobody else compares. Now,
nobody else compares. I mean Imean, where does it go? Where
does the MCU go from here?Yeah? Like what the ship? And
then on top of that, youknow other big picture on the other side
of the world where the president nowknows the scrolls are around and then basically

(01:09:43):
orders like declares war and just haspeople are going around killing scrolls. So
now people are just outright murdering scrollsand everyone knows that scrolls exist. Now
it's the same thing as like theend and was talking about about this like
this huge world changing thing, andthis show is that bart two of them,
the fact that on Earth there's nowthis ever existing quest of people hunting

(01:10:03):
down scrolls, and two there's nowthis uber powerful being that just came out
of nowhere and now exists on Earth. It's like going back to like The
Eternals where the end of that movie, like The Eternal started to like birth
out of the Earth, like cameout of the Earth and like started and
then stopped. And now there arethese bits of like massive elemental sticking out

(01:10:28):
of the Earth. And then ontop of that the massive they never talk
about it. And then like ontop of that, the you know,
the giant frigging other being shows upand steals what's her name, I can't
even think of her name away andthen like yeah, he comes and steals
her steal cercy and disappears, likeeveryone in the world saw that, and

(01:10:49):
they haven't dealt with that, Likewhat how are they going to deal with
this? Show about Like I don'tunderstand the planet saw this gigantic being,
this azi thing just appear and andeven if they didn't see Sarcey coming away,
like his like hand was pointed towardsthe planet's just like and he disappeared,

(01:11:10):
Like what, Like what the hell? And also where have the Eternals
been like with the scrolls, Likethe Eternals came from space and they showed
up, but now the scrolls camefrom space they showed up and have a
whole different set of problems like whydon't the Eternals know about the scrolls?
Or if they do, why didn'tthey do anything about it? And they
get they kind of dressed that they'relike trying to not get interfere with stuff,
but like what what the hell?I don't understand? Now have so

(01:11:34):
many different threads and so many ofthem can't reference each other, and that's
like I just think this is gonnadie, Like there's not I'd think they're
just not gonna do anything with this. They're never going to acknowledge the scrolls
again, and they're never going tolike worry about Guya again because because how

(01:11:54):
can they. It's it's it's suchoh man again, it seems like again
like they made it for a coolbeat without thinking about the rest of the
universe. It's just like, didyou guys not talk to any of the
creatives who were making other properties?I mean, is there no because I
mean we've seen it happened with StarWars, right, like with like JJ
and Ryan and like them really notgetting to speak with each other and talk

(01:12:15):
about, you know, what's goingon and there's not being a plan laid
out. I mean yeah, likelike j had to underdo he had to
wreck con what happened so much stuffthat had happened in the last jot.
Yeah, I couldn't make the name. And it's just it's weird. I

(01:12:36):
just I don't understand. I don'tknow, man, It's going to be
an interesting year seeing all this stuffcome out and not acknowledge the fact that
there's the most powerful being killing andsomewhere and and and it's and it sucks
because like uh Man Ruti whatever shedBecam's a new legion all the power and
mental instability. I mean that couldbe a thing, but it's Amelia Clark

(01:12:59):
and the se'd like her a lotbecause I mean the way the way they
write her character, the way theygave I mean, they gave her a
hero pose, right like like likethey gave her a superhero landing and really
am practical they all, they gaveher a superhero landing, they gave her
a hero pose. They just forgotto give her a personality. Yeah,
dude, that's not a problem withAmelia Clark. That's a problem. I

(01:13:19):
really enjoyed Amelia Clock. I thoughtshe was great in Game of Thrones,
and I think, like you know, the like they like, Hollywood has
struggled to really give her a nicheshe can like really stick into. They
try to put her in different properties, but they don't write her good scripts.
You know, that Terminator movie shewas in was freaking terrible, but
it wasn't because her. It wasjust really bad writing in direction Rogue one,
she was okay, but they didn'tthey didn't make her character. They

(01:13:42):
made they made the story of hercharacter interesting, not the personality of her
Chara yeah again, Yeah, butit was fine. It was passible.
Yea better than this, they know, what is it with them? Were
like not giving Amelia Clark like characterswith personality because even in that one too,
like that character really didn't amount toomuch and just yeah, pissed off
in the end, you know.And I was thinking of like another kind
of like Marvel property that kind offell short, and I was thinking of

(01:14:06):
like Black Widow and how Yelena kindof fulfills a similar role, but she
has so much personality. She's sucha better character. Like you can do
that. You can have this kindof secondary character that's that's like fun and
like you actually care about, Likelike I cared about what happened to Yelena.

(01:14:28):
I did not care about what happenedto Gaya, just because they didn't
give us enough time with that characteror just didn't care about how we got
to the point where she becomes themost powerful beating in the universe, Oh
my gosh. And and then yeah, natter she becomes the most powerful in
the universe. I mean, dude, the the which would you harped on
it afterwards? Was you know,now that we know scrolls exist in the

(01:14:49):
world, and you know, thepresidents talking about all, we don't how
to kill you and find you.But then these vigilance shes are growing on
the world. We have this likemontage, this throwaway thing where devastate are
going around the world and just tryingto find out who's a scroll, killing
politicians and stuff like you see onewho dies, like she doesn't turn into

(01:15:11):
because when scroulls die, uh,they morphed back into their their own bodies,
their own green shape. And yousee this, you know, well,
but it seems to be a politicianspeaking at a podium since somebody shoots
her and she doesn't turn so she'san actual person. Yeah, and we
get that at a montage, Likethat's a more interesting story beat than anything
we've seen. But also how freakingdark is that? Like I feels like,

(01:15:35):
well, why didn't did the showstart with that? Yes, that
exactly. People beganic about scrolls andlike that whole thing about like, oh,
anyone can get shot at any timebecause someone thinks there's a scroll.
Yeah, that's tension that whole thatwhole time. I mean, that was
that's what was in the comic,the tension of who is a scroll?
And what does this mean? Youknow why didn't it start with that,

(01:15:56):
you know, it would have givenus more attention something. Instead we got
flag smashers, got characters we didn'tcare about. Plot lines are more interesting
happening off screen. And then inthe end the most power for character of
Ramscure has ever seen without any repercussions, and then people getting killed off and
right plotline in the end rap andending it up with like fear, I
couldn't care less about Fury and hiswife's story. I could not care less.

(01:16:19):
I really couldn't, guys. Ijust it just the writing wasn't there.
I just didn't care. Every timeI cut back to that whole thing,
you know, and people being surprisedthat he has a scroll wife,
I don't care whatsoever is It doesnothing for the Fury character. It doesn't
add anything. I think it doesn'ttake anything away. I think it's just
a side story. It's almost ifit was fill it was it's almost like

(01:16:42):
oh yeah, like you know,like Nick Fury, who's like, you
know, the spy of spies,you know, like like Tony Stark said,
he's these spies, secrets of secrets. He's is man of intrigue,
this like stoic, like like leader. You know, it's almost if someone
behind the scene was just just like, well, I don't care about that.
Is he married? What's his personallife? Like I don't read that
other stuff is boring, but shedoesn't care that he's gone ninety percent of

(01:17:03):
the time. I'm like, what, like people creating it, they think
they're cooking because I've I've seen reactionsfrom the episode where where we find out
that he's married to her, andand it it needed to be spelled out
for certain members of the audience becausewhen when when it like it cuts to

(01:17:24):
this house, he shows up andthen you have this woman like like cooking
the kitchen doing some I'm like,oh, okay, here's a wife.
Okay, that's cool. But I'veliterally I've watched reaction videos of YouTubers.
I don't know if they're playing itup for their audience, but they didn't
put it together or quote unquote freakout until he literally put his hand up

(01:17:45):
in the middle of the screen forthe camera and then put his ring on.
I'm like then they I'm like,there's no way you didn't understand when
we cut to the house he walksin and there's a woman there. How
did you not cut to That's whatI'm like everything. I was talking to
my sister about this where things nowneed to be spelled out for audiences,

(01:18:08):
and I'm like, come on,it's like, give us some credit.
Some of us out here have abrain that has wrinkled. Yeah, and
we can piece things together anyway.The whole storyline of Fury having a wife,
Chris, I think, really didn'tadd anything to take because if you
take it out, nothing changes inthe story. And yeah, exactly,
it doesn't. It just it justtakes up time. And again, it's

(01:18:30):
not that it's not that the factthat Fury is married isn't interesting, it's
that it doesn't do anything to thisstory. Like if they explored that they
again, his relationship with the scroll, the fact that he basically has been
directing these scrolls to do his bidding, but then one of them is actually
his wife, but he still justlike treats them like dirt. Is like

(01:18:51):
not like it's not an enviable characteristicat all, And it's not like he's
dealing that you're forcing him to dealwith that character flaw, Like it's okay
to show flaws if if you're actuallydealing with it but you're not. And
it's just that then it just becomesyou're right, it becomes a stereotype.
Right, it's not. It's notan actual deep part of that character.

(01:19:15):
It just serves to deconstruct them andbreak him down, because like they figure
in this my modern age, likethat's what makes a character interesting. Now,
it's not that they're a superhero.It's not into their powers or they're
intellect It's it's how are they likeme? How are they like a regular
person? Well, we got tomake them flawed. That's what human beings
are, so just doesn't give themall the flaws. And I don't think

(01:19:38):
that's compelling storytelling. I don't thinkthat's interesting. You know, it's it
really does doesn't add much. Itonly serves to deconstruct the character now,
I think, and some people findI mean that is a I think that's
a marvel thing with characters, isthat Marvel explores what their life is outside
of being a superhero. Which isfine if you actually explore that and you
actually talk about it and not justwaste my time saying this is a thing.

(01:20:01):
Now, let's move on. Yeah, it just I mean, there
was so many more interesting story beatswe could have had. Yeah, and
that's one of the things that couldhave been edited out for us to see
the actual network, for us tosee the harvest like getting done for you
know, all the vigilantic killings aroundthe world, for scrolls, I mean,
all these pet of the things thatChris you pointed out in in this
episode. I mean, there's somany other things we really could have had,

(01:20:24):
but they choose it also beats.I'm also I'm still pissed about them
killing off Maria Hill, but notlike doing anything interesting with the character at
all, Like you didn't you didn'teven do anything like there was again something
that's just explained in a line thatlike Maria would do anything for you Nick,
you say it, and he would, and she would do it because

(01:20:45):
that's the kind of person she was. But they didn't like explore that before
you just freaking take her out inepisode one. There's nothing interesting that happens
with Maria Hill before you kill her, and that's like that sucks and afterwards
just not mentioned again just oh mygosh, it would be a huge face
of it. But yeah, thenit ends up you know, like Nick

(01:21:06):
Furor and his wife go up intospace his wife says she still has some
work to do on Earth, Imean, but then goes up into space
anyways, Yeah, all right,I'm not the only one that was confused
about that because I was like,okay, so she's not going and then
she goes and and and then whatis the work? Is she tied to
that warehouse underground place that had awhole bunch of pods with people in them?

(01:21:28):
I mean, is that it wasshe the head of that or something?
Yeah, I don't even understand whatthat was supposed to be. Yeah,
like would be cut to this thingand there's a whole bunch of pods,
you know, sort of invasion withthe body snatch of things. I
mean, we have the dignitaries whowere you know, kind of standing upright
in this whole other facility. Butthen we get to this underground part and
there's just a pluth or there's asmattering of all these like like pods that
are laid down horizontals. So it'slike, are these just humans or these

(01:21:51):
other important characters? I mean,are they just who are they? What
is this? Like? What whatam I looking at? You're gonna tease
me with this? And like,but I don't actually care because the show
is terrible. So if you're tryingto tease the sequel, like you're doing
a bad job of it. Yeah, and you and you and you have
uh the wonderful I mean I reallyenjoyed Uh. Olivia like Coleman is Sonia.

(01:22:15):
I think she was a standing character. She was great And she's talking
because she was the Nick Fury ofthe show. Sam Jackson wasn't the Nick
Fury of the show. Olivia Coleman. Yeah, Like, God, I
hate when, man, I reallyI really dislike when when sort of other
parts of like the you know,geek network channels talk about the replacement of
male characters and female characters. Butbut like because because like they do it

(01:22:38):
very very retoxic way. But ifyou if you think about it, like
this whole Sam Jackson thing and wholeNick Fury thing, he was really like
deconstructedor brought down, and then wehave someone else. She was essentially the
same character, but more capable,better story and she was able to do
thirs just the British version. Itseem like she's better capable, you know,
and just quote the boys girls getit done. So she's trying to

(01:23:00):
team up with with Gaya and she'slike, oh, hey, you know
you don't have to listen to me, but you know you're power enough to
save No, but hey, you'regonna use me, I use you.
Let's let's do our own thing,right, Like I'm your Nick Fury now,
I'm like, okay. But guydidn't like that. She didn't like
that Taylos was the lapdog of NickFury. She didn't agree with her father.
She kind of told Fury that andshe's like, okay, I'll go

(01:23:23):
along with this now new Fury andsort of see what's up over here.
The same thing as Julia Lee Drive. His character just kind of pops in
at the end of something and recreatinginteresting. It's almost like once again,
we've been here before. Oh mygosh. And it's just like, okay.
Some people are saying, well,you know, with a pause and
with Sonia and with this and that, they're building up to the next thing.

(01:23:45):
They' building up to the next thing. They're building up to the next
No no, no, no,stop stop stop sup. So everybody pumped
the brakes on that stop stop stopstop stop listen, do you need to
tell the stories in the current thingwe're watching yeah, okay, no more
of this where we're setting up bullshit, tell the story in the thing we're
watching now, because this is willexcuse of wall. They're setting it up
for the next thing. We'll findout like that's not that's an excuse.

(01:24:10):
No. That's why we've been soeverything's been so like empty lately, is
because you're always building up to thenext thing instead of showing us don't worry
about the next thing when you haven'tdone the thing it's in front of us
yet. And that's why I agreewith Bob Iger where he's like, yo,
we are going to pump the brakes. Relax, We're gonna chow.
We're gonna put Marvel off of theside a little bit, all right,

(01:24:32):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, Dave, yeah, talking about I
think people will get Marvel fatigue.I don't think it's specifically Marvel fatigue.
I think it's mediocrity like for fatigue. Yeah, because like when Marvel was
putting up movies back in the day, it wasn't that the same frequency,
but we got quality, you know, like we got quality stuff. And
I think bob Iger's question is sayingthat the audience is saturated with all these

(01:24:56):
different Marvel shows, and that's whypeople are getting fatigued. There's so much
lunch without the quality there. AndI agree with Bob Igery in that respect
where he's like, we're going topump the brakes and sort of slow things
down because it's really diluting that brand. And it's crazy that it took him
coming back to be like, guys, is hello? Is no one seeing

(01:25:17):
that? Because no one seeing theaudience just absolutely reeling at what you guys
are doing? Hello? What didI have to hold this meeting? You
know what I mean? Like,imagine being Bob Iger being in front of
all these people and just being like, why do I have to say it?
I have to come down here andtell all of you, and some

(01:25:38):
of you are are executives, likeI have to tell you guys, And
I assume Kevin Figgy was in theroom. Like, imagine being Bob.
I can be like, why doI have to march down here? I
have shit to do. I'm BobIger, I have some right. Imagine
him as like like Jeremy Piven fromEntourage come in and be like, what
the fuck I have to fucking comedown here and tell you how to do

(01:25:59):
your guy, get the fuck out, Like, are you people in charge?
How much do you get paid?What about you? You in the
back? What is your fucking job? What do you what do you say
you do here? I bobygraph tocome down here and be like, Yo,
you guys are pumping out way toomuch depending on all this fucking bullshit.
You guys don't see the audience gettingtired of the lack of quality.

(01:26:20):
I'm watching this ship too, areyou guys fucking for real? Come on
this writing the terrible CG. Weneed to slow down. But I have
to come down here and tell youguys that the next time I come down
here, some heads are gonna roll. Okay, I've got some shit to
do. I gotta talk to MickeyMouse. Okay, I gotta call at
two pm with Mickey. All right, I'm already five minutes late. What

(01:26:42):
the fuck? Don't maybe come downhere ever again? God damn it.
We're all laser? Are you alllaser? Ever? Last one? Are
you got here? He just turnsit a whole land here he starts.
He starts just levitating, his eyesglowing all laser everyone. Oh my god,
I wish you would just laser themall Biger just fucking did listen,
gather them all in a room andjust fucking fire everybody. It's not working.

(01:27:04):
It's not working. Just laster themall, bro like, he's right,
He's right. I mean, it'sit's not moral fatigue. It is
mediocrity fatigue. They're pumping out somuch that the writers, the creators,
they have to come up with thesestories and it's such a short amount of
time. They can't do it.The TGA artists, they can't do it.

(01:27:25):
They can't put out quality. Theycan't think about, well, I
just created the most powerful being inthe time. I don't care put it
out. We got it, wegot a deadline. We gotta make this
thing. This is like an ACMEfactory. Dun dun, daaaa daaah.
Anyway, end of rent there likeso so, Chris, what do we
learn in the end about Secret Invasionwhere it? Like? What would he
learn? Like, I it's it'sjust it's weird. I don't know.

(01:27:49):
I think I learned that maybe Ishouldn't have watched the show and I would
be less angry, Like, Idon't know, it's just it's weird.
Man. I feel like I feellike that Marvel calling it shot like years
in advance. Is just it's weird. I feel like it must be like

(01:28:09):
stifling to be like, Okay,you gotta make this thing, but it's
got to build up to this otherthing. It's like cool, well now,
but what do I do here?Like I'm now limited in what I
can do on step one because Igotta worry about step seven, right,
and like what what was this show? Man? Like I wish And I

(01:28:30):
feel like I feel bad for SamJackson too, because he has done a
great job with Nick Fury up until, like up until this point, and
it's it's and he again he himself, fine, great form, it's cool,
but it's just like this is reallyyour your the show that's all about
Nick Fury. This is in theend what you get. And like,

(01:28:53):
I guess my big question is,like, Sarge, do you think we're
gonna see any more of Nick Furyafter this? That's a really good question
because he went back up to thepeak. I think they did that to
reserve too. I don't know ifthey know, you know, like is
this stuff mapped out still? Arethey still working on things? I mean
a lot of things are in thehighest not because of the writer and the

(01:29:15):
actors strike, you know, likeand thank goodness that they need to get
paid. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they have I think
they're making up as a go along. I don't know if it's planed out
completely now. I mean, Idon't know if Kevin Flaggy is in charge,
I don't know who's writing stuff.I would like to give us the
same to answer, but I really, from what we're seeing here and what

(01:29:36):
we've been seeing, it doesn't seemlike they have their stuff together. It
really looks like they're making up asa go along and we're not getting something
good. I mean, I mean, there was an idea to have these
Marvel TV shows to go into themovies and from at the time, we
were all excited because we love whatMarvel was doing. But now we're getting
so many shows and it's not thesame quality. They're hitting story beats,

(01:30:00):
don't care about characters, we don'tcare about we want to care about them.
I mean, I was looking forwardto see if an invasion based on
what I knew from the comics andhow that went down, and obviously I
knew he wasn't going to involve youknow, the Fantastic four and Spider Man
and Wuverine and stuff like that,because those all those Enried Richards, all
those guys were in the comic,but Marvel doing their own spinning it for
a live action version, I thoughtwas gonna be something of note, something

(01:30:23):
to sink your teeth, and it'ssomething to stay up on the East coast
at three am to watch. Butinstead of just like, I don't know,
I guess I gotta watch it.I'll wait for another day. I
don't really care about spoilers. Andthen it's it's yeah, yeah, gah,
I know they don't. They haven'tfollowed the comics for for for a
while, even even in the beginning. You know they loosely did, but
even more now you really are farcry from doing their own thing. And

(01:30:46):
what's happening that's fun if the ifyou and you put thought into it.
Yeah, but it seems like Idon't know they wanted to come moment they
made it the most powerful character we'veever seen. There like, hey,
here you go, hot Potato.What doesn't make any sense? I don't
know, man. So in theend, Secret Invasion, I wouldn't recommend

(01:31:06):
it to to anybody. I mean, is it required viewing for the next
thing. I don't know. Ihope, I hope it isn't. I
wish it was better, you know, like no smoke to the people who
were who were in charge, whowere in part of it. But I
don't know who created this and thoughtthey were cooking. But what you served
us would needed more seasoning, Itneeded more cook time. It's just it's

(01:31:30):
it's underdone. You know. Ifyou liked it, good for you,
more power to you. That's fine. You can like what you like.
If this finale blew your sock stuff, that was great. If that last
dragon Ball fight scene was absolutely incredibleto you, you thought he was the
greatest thing to you know. Ibet kids loved it. I bet kids
thought it was I bet children thoughtit was absolutely amazing. And I bet
ordinary people like like thought it wasthe most craziest thing they've seen a long

(01:31:54):
time since, since they've seen Venomtwo. All right, stuff, all
right, guys, that's all wehave for this episode. Thank you for
tuning in, and for those whowatched Supernovasion, we salute you. I
feel like we were all in acar accident. We're exchanging information, We're
going to a support group and We'relike here, are you? Are you
fine? Are you okay? Wedo we need? Like, like,
let's let's all meet and get somesome coffee and donuts and there let's just

(01:32:15):
talk in a circle about what wejust saw. Yeah, all right,
guys, thanks for watching. Seeyou guys later. Receive you another time.