Star Wars AHSOKA | Episode 5 Review

The episode screened in movie theaters and streamed online around the world. Episode 5 gave us something we never through we'd see in live action Star Wars. Join the gang as we discuss the duel between master and apprentice.

Episode Transcript

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Hello, everyone, and welcome tothe show tonight. We're talking about Star
Wars Asoka erring on Disney Plus andthe Lineus episode end up movie theaters tonight
to talk about it. We gota very yell and a dot Chris.
That's right hanging out on the worldbetween worlds with a stream between streams if
you will. Yeah, I'm yourhosts a baccuty series. You're guys,
so get right into it. Thelatest episode, episode five of Asoka,
was also streamed in movie theaters.Everyone. And last time that Chris and

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I were talking, we were wonderingwhy and we found out Dave Felony was
absolutely cooking. Let him cook cookingin this one. He was cheffing.
He was mixing it up, he'sflipping it, he was finding it.
He was doing everything I possibly couldand give us a nice little sauce there.
Absolutely incredible, Chris. I wantto go to you as someone who
has watched all of Clone Wars,all of Rebels. You were there from

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the get go. You were absolutelyout there for your boy Felony. You
loved it all. What was itlike for you and for the rest of
the Clone Wars and Rebels fans seeingwhat we saw. What we saw.
Everyone just get right into it theClone Wars live action. But god,
Chris, what was your reaction?We talked about it in the last time.

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The pacing of the like up ofepisodes one through four was kind of
like, ah, you know,I like, what's happening was taken too
slow, and like then we hitthis episode and there's so much cool stuff
that happened, and all of asudden, you know, where in the
world between worlds and like kind ofweird abstract place and then bam, it
throws us back into the Clone Wars. And I'm like, oh, man,

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that's crazy. My wife was theone who actually noticed that first,
was like, wait a minute,is that a young Asoka? And I
was like, oh, it isyoung Asoka? What's going on here?
What's happening? And they dropped usinto the good stuff? Man. I
thought it was cool that that wholesection. For me, I'm not quite
sure like the big impact of likehow does this actually really tie into the
overall story, But it was alsoso freaking cool and like pretty damn well

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done. Like I don't even care, and I'm usually someone that's like,
well, if it doesn't go tothe story, like, why keep it?
But we saw we saw some coolshit and they picked some some good
moments, especially when they kind ofjumped to the second area with the assault
on Mandalor, which is again thatstoryline. Clone Wars is my favorite Star
storyline in all of Star Wars.It's done so well, and anyone who

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hasn't watched the finale of Clone Wars, like, go watch that ship because
it's fucking amazing. It was great. I was super excited. It looked
great. The whole episode was pacedreally cool. You know, it felt
a little bit like fan service,but like done really well. Felony was
like, this is my Anakin shownperformed by the Anakin that everyone else that

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like hasn't watched the Clone Wars knows. I was into it. It was
great. It was incredibly It wassort of surreal because as as I've seen
it time and time again, youknow, I wasn't opposed to Clone Wars
in Star Wars Rebels, but itwas just the being and a very aesthetic
person and a creative it was justthe animation style that kind of threw me

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off. And I've always said ifit was in a different style, I
would have liked it more even thoughyou know there was good lord there there
was a good story, you know, but seeing the live action version,
I felt like Gordon ramsay, Ifelt like, this is the flavor I've
been This is what I've wanted,you muppet, this is what I've wanted
the entire time. Dude, seeingAnakin, they're seeing hating Christiansen on the

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light Bridge, you know, thedesaturated rainbow road of the world between worlds,
and it's so talking to her formermaster and him saying, I'm here
to finish your training. When she'slike, yo, tell me what's going
on here? What are you doinghere? And him busting out his lightstaber
into his form and starting to goat Asoka to teach her a lesson.
I was like, damn nuts gohitting. Christensen has still got it.

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I love the redemption that he's getting. You know, like Chris and I
were saying before we started hitting record, no one hates Star Wars more than
Star Wars fans, and no oneloves Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
And George Lucas after the prequels,you know, old Star Wars because
of some of the backlash from thefans back then giving you know, Hayden
Christensen and some of the choices thatGeorge made. But seeing Hayden Christiansen in

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this performance across from his former padawansaying snips, you know, like teaching
her lesson in his form and hissaber was absolutely incredible, knocking her down
off the road into the Clone Wars, him being in his battle gear for
the Clone Wars and shout outs too. An incredible performer. Arianna Green Black

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Chris who played Young Asoka, whoyou will know from Young Go Mora from
the Infinity War. Ah, shedid. I thought she looked familiar.
She's gonna be known as the ladywith the painted face now and both times,
both times she had to do withgenocide. Yeah. And what's crazy
is when when that first? Soyeah, I said, my wife is

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the one who noticed that I wasYoung Asoka first, and she was like,
oh my god. Like she hasshe has the like the stance,
like the Asoka stance down, likeeven just her physicality in there, like
as great as Rasia Dawson is likeseeing someone actually take the like the animated
stance and pull it off. Itwas so good and you're right, everything

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we saw there, and I understand, like not liking the art style,
but like the stories you get inin Clone Wars, like even though it's
animated, like there's a lot ofgravity to it, and seeing those that
scene of them like running through abattlefield with just Clone War or the Clones,
like just dropping down and dealing withthe weight of like yeah, it's
a war. Like my buddies justgot taken out and I'm hanging out with

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him back at camp. Like that'sthe kind of stuff that like finally we
see the weight of that in liveaction, which is like what Dave Filoni
has wanted all along because it's it'scalled the Clone Wars, guys, like
it's if it wasn't animated, itwould be way darker for real. And
we got to see a glimpse ofthat too. I mean it looked visceral.

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It looked like the wars in StarWars, because we all forget that
that it's it's a war. It'spretty much akin to our our our world
war. But because you know there'sanimation, because you know, everyone's using
happy when they're going through certain things, right you have like Hanselo and Lusky
Walker. Yeah, but they're ina pretty dire situation. But I love

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the visceral take on the Clone Warshere. I really liked the visuals that
we got. I mean, justseeing Anakin on the battlefield, like with
young Ahsoka, just just running throughand the fog of war, the visual
of that fog of war where wedon't see clearly where they are, but
we know where they are because oflike you know, the Clone Wars I
animated series and all the Lord therebut man seeing like the Clone troopers,

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seeing that fog of war, seeingthe lightsaber like ignited in that fog.
It's just such a stunning visual andespecially when you have things like Asoka looking
at Anakin walking up into the distance, you know, talking about I need
you know, to train you.This is a part of your training as
a soldier, and Asoka just reluctantly, I don't want to do this.
It's not why I wanted to bea or why I'm training to be a
Jedi. And then I can tellingher, well, if I don't train,

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if you don't fight, you willdie. This is a war.
You're in the middle of it.Like we used to be peacekeepers, but
we're soldiers now. We have nochoice because of what's happening. They like
the Sith have returned and the galaxyhas been put into turmoil and where we
can't just be peacekeepers anymore with youknow, our laser swords. We have
to go out there and use oursabers as sabers, you know. And

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just seeing her reaction, I mean, like shout outs to Ariana Green black
dude. I mean, her expression, her her acting. I mean,
for someone who's so young, she'sshe's sixteen years old, I thought,
as a young actress, you know, like you never know with like child
actors, like how well they're gonna, you know, like doing on screen,
or if they can deliver their lines. But as younger more she did
a really good job. And Ithink here as young Asoka, she did

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a really good job as well,portraying the pain that Asoka was feeling.
I mean, you get the childsoldier thing, right. I mean you
have all these Padawans and not justher, there was a ton of other
Padawans and younger Jedi and not justMasters who were in the thrust of the
Clone Wars, and they had tothere is no other way that the Republic
could survive. So the Jedda werelike, Okay, no more peacekeepers.

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We kind of these soldiers and theyoungest had to go in it. So
I like, I liked that wegot to see clearly the trauma that Asoka
went through that she carried this wholetime, or the reason why she was
so like dour throughout this whole thingand the reason why she was so great.
She had that trauma within her,and she had this thing where you
know, you can kind of seewhy she didn't really want to train Sabine

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and how she was kind of reluctantto continue, and because Luke had happened
with with Anakin and her, shefelt like, you know, her his
turn on the dark side was herpartly her fault whatever, she could have
been there for him. And dudelike, well, what did you think
about the conversations that Anakin was havingwith Asoka and that US and I need
to train you that this is waror you die, live or die,
He was telling her. I meanwe had some good stuff in there,

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man. Yeah. Also, I'mproud of myself called it because basically last
week because basically the conversation was talkingabout how like she's worried because because of
what Anakin became and who and thatAnakin was the one who trained her that
Like, if she continues down apath like that, that's like that's what
how she's going to turn out aswell, And that's what she's worried about.

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And you know if if she wastrained unconventionally by Anakin who turned out
the way he did, what's goingto happen if a lot of that was
in part unto her, Like what'sgonna happen to Sabine if she passes off
the same the same training. She'sshe's afraid, right, That's why she's
been It's like up until his point, it's like she's been holding back because
she's worried about what happened to Anakin. She doesn't want the same thing to

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happen to her, so and that'swhat kind of Anakin seems to kind of
break her of being like, yeah, but it was necessary for you to
go through this and you know andbe a part of war because that's what
the Clone Wars needed, and that'swhat's needed right now, Like it's a
it's a part of you. Itwas great, It was awesome. I

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Like I will say again that thiswhole section, it was the outcome of
that whole sequence. I think itwas very subtle, but it seems very
it seems very powerful, Like itreally feels like Asoka after the whole section,
seems like a weight has been liftedand she seems like more like the

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Asoka that we knew back in theanimated stuff a little bit. There's a
bit of a lightness to it.So I'm I'm for it. It looked
great, It was wonderful. Wegot to see a quick shot of Rex
running off blue blue armor double blastersthat I love it. How the fog

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of war. I was like,Yo, this is a flavor I've been
screaming for. Dude, I wantI want live action Rex. Let's let's
do it. Rex has always beenlike, you know, he's a soldier,
been like, obviously he's you know, he's a clone, but he's
not like other clones. Man.He goes toe to toe right next to
the Jedi headlong in, just likeone of my orders. Let's go do

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it. And he's the best broto see a live action like Tamarry Morrison
put on the helmet and charging thebattle. How insane would that be?
Feloni, make it happen, dude, to have a whole let's have instead
of us doing a movie where Rayis rekindling the Jedi who asked who cared?
Nobody wants that, have Dave Felonido his live action stuff. I

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mean, also, let's acknowledge shoutout to Dave Feloni who got to do
a live action version of something he'sbeen working on for a decade. I
mean he's been working on for senttwo eight, two thousand and eight.
Dud's been going on, going on, so almost a decade and a half.
Actually, yeah, a decade anda half at this point. Amazing.

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He gets handy his creation, Dudand beautifully shot, like, let's
be probably like, not only wasthe content of this good, but there
was some like straight up movie shotsin this and it was wonderful. He
was like, Okay, we're puttingthis in theaters. This needs to look
like a Star Wars. He absolutelyneeds to look huge. He's looked like
it was shot for theater, andhe was like, you know what,

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let's release it in theaters. Let'sdo that. So for those who didn't
know, and some people didn't knowthat it was also shown in theaters as
well. But man, there arevery few creatives and directors who get that
kind of opportunity. Okay, youworked on this animated series, all right,
well you get a chance to dothat. But live action, you
get to see your characters brought tolife in reality. And it was great,

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dude, Like seeing all the CloneTroopers run in the battlefield, like
seeing all the heavy artillery, seeingthat Fox VORs and the lightsabers, seeing
Anakin Skywalker with his like general armor. Yeah, it was sick, absolutely
sick, Like you almost wanted tosee certain characters pop up, like the
Seeds of Mandalori. We got tosee Chris the Mallaloran man. I was

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like his Darth Maull gonna show upreal quick, Like I thought they were
gonna shot shoot over there, andI was gonna lose my freaking mind.
Also, you got to see someClone Troopers with the with Asoka's with Asoka's
like markings painted on them, whichis again throwback. That was basically she
was given that. They were like, well, you're not a Jedi,
but we're gonna we're gonna give youcommand of this of the Squadron of Clones

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too, and they're gonna listen toyou. And it was it was badass
and like totally like heart melting whenthat all went down, and again got
to see those got to see allthat happened. It was quick. Can
you miss it? But it wasgreat. Dude, absolutely let him cook,
let him cut. It was cooking. I mean, yeah, like
a Rumtis hasn't tried. Brad Birdmade the Fantastic for movie. Yeah,

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bradburd like you know, doing animationstuff. And then but like a few
few people in Hollywood get to havethis opportunity of working on something for a
long peter for time and get seerealized like that. I mean, but
had Zack Snyder who got to gethis vision realized from the theatrical release,
which you say it wasn't his.And then we have Dave Filoni here who
got to dose animated stuff live actionthat must have felt so so good as

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seeing everything come to life. Imean, dude, I just can't get
over hating Christiansen just running through theClone Wars talking to a young Assoka.
I mean, that's what I want. Let's let's not do the ray movie.
Let's scrap that. Let's let's getmore live action Clone Wars live action
like you know, Rebel stuff.Or whatever. I mean. And this

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is a thing, Chris, whereI really thought the Usaka show was going
to be this, some more flashbacks, some more live action stuff. I
mean, for the most part,we've got the Sabine Wren show, which
I don't understand. I don't knowif if Filoni was like writing the you
know, the treatment for the showbefore it came out, and then he
accidentally was like what if he grewmore sabine, more sabine stuff, and
then someone came to his office like, hey, you know, Kathleen wants

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to see what you got. Let'sgo. We have production waiting, Let's
let's get in this meeting. He'slike, oh crap, wait, there's
more sabine stuff in here. Ohno, grap, what am I done?
And then you know, we gotmore sabine stuff. But man,
if we had this right off thebat, I mean, this show would
have gotten more rave reviews. Ithink more people would be watching that than's
being reported, and I think you'regonna have a lot more positive feedback than

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the show is getting. I mean, if we explored more of Asoka,
because now we get to this pointhere where man, who thought we would
see live action clone Wars, andit looked incredible. I mean, guys,
like, when you have the rightpeople in charge, the right people
in place, you get fantastic thingslike this, and not some of the
former stuff that we were getting andeven some of the stuff coming on the

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line. But in any case,I say, this is what happens when
you have the proper creatives of properpeople. There are some critiques I still
have, but let's let's let's let'sstay stay positive here. So Chris,
after we have this whole lesson,you know, he knocks Anakin, knocks
Asoka back into the world between worlds. You know, He's like, I'm
giving you a choice, live ordie. You're not getting what I'm trying

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to teach you, because it seemslike she's still as a child as we're
seeing her blaming herself for Anakin andblaming you know, yourself or how things
went down, and holding onto that. And he's just like, you're you're
still on that. Really you're holdingonto that. That's not your fault.
Like I turned, these are mychoices, my decision, is what he
was trying to tell her, Like, it's not your fault that I turned

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to the dark, said It's notyour fault that I fell from the light.
That was all my doing. Therewere certain things that led up to
that, and it was all meand I owned that. So it's not
on you, Like, you needto stop with this thing and you need
to live, not survive, becauseit seems like you've been surviving. Is
a lesson. I think he wasteaching her you need to stop surviving and
live. You are a former Jedi, but still a Jedi at heart,

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you know, like once rebel,always a rebel. You are a Jedi
at heart. You need to live, not survive. Live within the forest
and happiness, not shrouded in thisgrain darkness. But what did you think
about? Oh, man, wegot to see him his SI thighs,
his red saber get popped out.He's just like, oh, you lack
conviction. We got to see theflashes of Vader. Oh the imagery.

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Man talk about to talk to me, what was growing through your mind where
you're seeing all this? You know, it was basically like, let's let's
play the Anakin hits right, Like, let's see it's me like, yeah,
we're excited to see this, likekind of almost happier, go luckier
Anakin but like, let's not forgetlike what happened to him. So they
kept flashing to you, so you'relike, oh, yeah, you know,
she's back with her master, butlike, oh yeah, they they've

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gone through some some shit. Solike, uh, I mean it's good,
it's it's you know, it's Ithink it's a right way of doing
some of the nostalgia stuff. SoI'm actually gonna push back on you saying,
like, I wish the show ismore like this. I actually don't
wish the show was more like flashbackstuff, because it makes these moments here
where it was just a little bit, small snippet of it just more special.

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So I like the way that thiswas done, like yeah, let's
talk about the past and deal withthe past, but like we're not going
to dwell there too long. Weneed to get we need to move the
story along, and we need tomove the character along. So doing that
and using Anakin as that catalyst becausewe haven't really seen we haven't really seen

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Asoka deal with the fact that hermaster was freaking Darth Vader and this is
all taking place after the events ofReturn of the Jedi. So one of
the interesting things that I was watchinga video. I forget who put it
up on there and YouTube, butI'm not gonna say this was my idea.
But it was a great, greatcall out where when he pulls his

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lightsaber out and Asoka says, I'mnot going to fight you, and he
said, I've heard that before.That does a couple things. One of
it is calls back to his fightwith Luke Skywalker when he said I'm not
going to fight you and he jumpedoff. And two, this tells you
that this isn't something that's in hermind because she doesn't know that conversation happened.
So this is like I actually andthis is the world between worlds doing

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its thing, which means like,yes, this is this is a manifestation
of Anakin actually actually teaching her alesson here and not just the figment of
her mad nation. That's that's areally good point because a lot of Star
Wars fans are like, is shedead? Is this in her mind?
Because we've seen sort of you know, like Luke when he's on Daycabond,
he went through their tree and hewas seeing you know, Vader. He

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had a fight sort of Beater andhimself and it was all like a vision
in like through the force. Sothat's actually a really good point because like
she doesn't know that conversation took placein Vader and his son Luke. Man,
Wow, that's very party a goodjob. But whoever you are on
YouTube, that's a good point.Yeah, are you about it to you
here? A good point? Imean, And that's what these conversations are

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about. Man, these these watercolormoments. I think there's a huge wall
watercolor moment here. And meanwhile,back in the Asoka show, we get
oh Man, we get we getback to uh Man, we got Jason's
says Sandula uh meet, who's nota Rebels fan, and like who cares?
Who's real quick? We have tohave like talk about an elephant in
the room. Is that Jason Sindla. They cast a kid who looks almost

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exactly like a young ezra As kid, even though he's supposed to be Kanan
Jaris's kid, And that was reallyweird to me in a strange choice.
And I get that they're probably goingfor that like generic Star Wars kind of
human looking character like the Han solohair and jacket, and I get that,

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but it's like hitting a little tooclose to home. Yeah, it's
funny too. Thank you mentioned.I'm just like waiting a minute because I
was like, he know, helooks from Miler. I'm like, oh,
because he looks like because he lookslike Ezra, Like that's awkward,
it's real Akward but whatever there Yeah, no, it's good. And another
thing too, like talking about uh, you know Kanan and Hara's son.

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He is in tune with the Forcebecause I mean Canon was a pretty powerful
Jedi. He's really attuned into theForce, and his son seems to be
as well. Even without the training. He seems pretty a dept because you
know, certain people throughout the StarWars Galaxy can be a pretty depfent force,
even about training. So, Imean we started with Anakin, how
good he was with the pod raisingfor human because he had Jedi reflexes,

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so he can hear the lights ofbattle between Anakin Skywalker and Asokatano in the
World between Worlds, and I likethat we have him sort of concentrating,
relaxing, just hearing it throughout thefours and then something happened that I didn't
like, and I wanted to getyour take on this, he tells his
mother. Harrison Doula, the rebelpilot sort of listening to tune in as

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well, and then she starts hearingthe lightsabers in the world between worlds and
jumping around social media and YouTube andstuff. For one kind of agrees that
yes, she heard it, becausethen she makes a decision for her pilots
to go and scope out the coastlineand everything. Again. It's like,
okay, well we already went outthere. No, no, no,

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we need to go out. It'sgood work. Jason is has Harrah ever
exerted any sort of forced sensitivity inrebels off a freak day? Feloni don't
know. I mean, I mean, these are the conveniences that I'm talking
about. I mean, is itis it? Is it like a participation
trophy? If everyone's special, Noone is special. He used to be

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in Star Wars that there are certainpeople who are forced sensitive, who can
have certain abilities do certain things.Now everyone just gets a participation trophy.
Everyone's in tune with the force.Everyone can do this. There's sort of
hinting that that that you know,sister Bean is forced sensitive enough even as
a Mandalorian, that you know shecan use a lightsaber, she can do
those stuff. Maybe she can fieldthe force as we're seeing here him this

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trophy a reason. Now, HarrisonDula, who you know, you as
someone who watched Rebels, who's thereday one, you know, says she's
never exuded any of this stuff.Now she can hear two incredible force wielding
super people have a battle in aworld that is between reality, time and
space, sort of living inside ofthe force. I mean, I'm gonna

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I'm gonna reckon this with some headcannonthat it's not that it's not that she
heard them, but she believed herson enough to be like, Okay,
you're telling me to listen for thisthing. The sound I'm listening, I
don't hear anything, but you're soconvinced that this is the thing, and
I know you're for sensitive. I'mjust gonna believe you. But again,

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that's not the answer that that's notwhat was spelled out in the show.
But so like whatever, I'm notgonna split hairs over this one. It
wasn't like she reached out. Therewas really nothing in her face that indicated
oh I definitely heard this, butyou know she tried whatever, because like
the camera sort of like zooms intoher face in a close up shot and

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then she has a sort of likeEureka face like oh, I hear it,
and then she commands her people togo through the curry side. She's
like, could work, Jason,you know, I if she didn't hear
it, if she didn't believe herson, I don't know, but I
mean, it wasn't it definitely wasn'tspelled out to be like, oh yeah,
that's definitely the route she took.But that's how I'm saying it,
because like when Filoni was doing likethe close up shot into her face and

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like we had the sound effects ofthe sabers going on, sort of you're
you're showing the audience that what ishappening right now is that this character can
hear this. Right we have aclose up shot of her face and we
have light sabers going on between Ahsokaand Anakin. So you're telling the audience
that she's hearing it. But she'snot a force sensitive. I mean everyone

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just has Everyone can just tap intothe force now, it doesn't matter,
you don't need training. Everyone's Idon't know, it's all participation trophy.
I don't know if it's like anewfound like Disney thing or whatever, or
you know, there was like somemom working behind the scenes were just like,
you know, it'd be great iflike everyone can just be equal behind
the scenes, and like everyone couldjust be equal in Star Wars and everyone

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because everyone taps on the force.Because the force, yes, it is
in everyone, through everything, butonly certain people can wield it. And
it's been that way for the longesttime. So now you've had people who
aren't even force sensitive, like,yeah, I can hear the force,
I can here the reality that isonly inside of the force, beyond our
own. What I kept waiting forthem to be like this place is like

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strong with the force, and solike the barrier between these worlds is really
thin, so it's kind of bleeding. Yeah, I was waiting for some
kind of explanation like that you didn'tget it. I don't know, I'm
not whatever. I'm not breaking thebank over it. I thought that fine.
It was weird, but it's fine. I almost thought that that he
was going to pull Ahsoka through thatfields. I kind of got that that

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feeling too, that the place they'reat is sort of you know, like
an amplifier or an in tunement,you know, and and and it's and
it's so funny too, because it'sjust my own opinion, like let's listen,
Rebels fans, I know, yeah, like Clonivers fans, listen.
I love Star Wars too, butand listen, But I don't have the
same affinity for for Dave Filonians.Guy does create great law. I'm not

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saying as bad storyteller. I'm notsaying as bad at his job, but
I think as someone who's getting todo this now live action on a bigger
stage and hits and add stuff.And yes, I'm just saying that the
animated stuff not as big as everyonethinks it is. I think that there's
a huge misstep in thinking that everyonesaw your animated stuff. I think there's
a huge misstep and not pulling inthe general audience because let's let's think about

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this for a minute. When geekentertainment properties make things for a wide audience,
there's a lot of explanation, there'sa lot of spelling things out and
no super fans normally sometimes get madbecause we're like, oh, we know
that already. Why are they spellingit out? Is because they're spelling it
out for a bigger audience. Theyneed to get butts in seats in theaters,

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and they need to get the peoplewho aren't you know, a proses
situation up to speed. So Ithink this show is really for the Clone
Wars and Rebels fans and everyone elsewho hasn't seen that, you know,
just suck it up, parter Cup. Just see if you can follow along.
And it's not a hard show tofollow along. But if you don't
know any of that prior nerd knowledge, I think some people are lost.
So me not having an IF forthe show or not really like why do

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I care about Jason? Why doI care about Ezra or Grant Animal Throne.
And I've seen this echo throughout socialmedia, throughout a lot of YouTube,
throughout TikTok. People who haven't who'veonly seen the live action stuff been
like, why are they going afterthis Ezra person? Why are they going
after this kind of maal thrown andthe last episode, Chris very very nice.
He spelled out who the characters were, who Ezra is, who Grandnimal

(27:23):
Throne is, and give a reallygood explanation of the characters. So to
me, it seems like since Filonigets the opportunity to have this stuff at
a larger scale. With all thelive action stuff. He is now like,
Okay, my characters are going toshine. My characters are invincible.
They're powerful. Yes, even thoughthis pilot doesn't like have for sensitivity,

(27:44):
she has it now, damn it. Now she's fortittive. She can't hear
this stuff. Everybody's everything is awesome. And I think people were here huge
fans of Dave floor are just like, yes, Dave, Yes, give
it to us. Oh you cando no wrong. Oh let me glaze,
you, let me absolutely glaze andall your glory. And I say
that because when I see certain outletsand I see certain people who are fans

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of Dave Filoni, excuse some ofthese things, I'm like, come on,
Just like I said in the lastepisode, I'm a big fan of
Jim Carrey and some of the stuffhe's made that it isn't widely renowned,
it's good I liked, and Ihave that bias because I really liked Jim
Carrey. But but a lot ofpeople I see like we are just like,
no, it's just Dave Filoni.He's a genius. And I'm like,
oh, come on, he's aregular human being like the rest of

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us. He bleeds at the restof us. He takes a shit like
the rest of us. He canmake mistakes and fuck ups like the rest
of us. And I think he'smy man. I'm asis he's messing up
when he makes certain conveniences in ashow like Asoka, when characters can do
certain things expert certain things, andthings just happened just because. I mean,
you know, I'm not mad aboutit. It doesn't ruin Star Wars

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for me, but you gotta it'sa weird moment that feels like it needs
more explanation, and no explanation wasgiving and no explanations given it, and
we won't get any explanation, likelike, listen, he left the planet
like that, We're never getting anexplanation. Nexing coming up, you know.
We we have Ahsoka be saved.She gets pulled out of the water.
She's actually in there, and thedevice of planning to go after you

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know, the map and go afterCis Sabine and the Eye of Scion,
and they're like, oh, howare we gonna do that? And then
here comes the thing like maybe hottake. I don't know. I see
a lot of Feloni fans who lovethese things. I think they're stupid as
how Goodies held the purgles flying space. I mean, Star Wars has fantastical
creatures, crazy creatures. When wehad Job of the a big talking thing,

(29:29):
a lord, you know, Slashjust crumb, this quacking space monkey
that just just last. I know, I know, I know, I
know, I know. But giganticspace whales, I can hyperd ship.
When I first heard of those things, I'm like, bro, what were
you on some ayawascar? Were youout in the Mahabi desert having some kind
of like coyote walk But I knowmy name is coyote. But my man,
Feloni dis you go out to Kayoeto walk yourself? Brother, because

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I mean you came back. You'relike, okay, okay, everybody listening.
Space whales. Hear me out,hear me out, space whales and
they travel through light speed. Youhave this natural ability too, and that's
how we formed space travel in theStar Wars Universal. I'm like, oh,
come on on, fever dream,Chris, I say crazy, I
say, I'm madman, you knowwhat I mean? The galaxy had had

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dolphins that just took off his space, So I'm saying he's not the first
one to do it, right.I wonder if he's just like, hmm,
he talks to the galaxy had dolphins, I will have whales and they
will also, Oh my gosh,but I think, yeah, cool.
I mean it's like definitely like allright, very fantastic like fantasy like dreamlike

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idea. But it was something thatwas like when that happens in because that's
the that's the finale of Rebels,is that the pargl grab on the thrown
ship and they shoot off and takehim and Ezra with them, And so
it would have been really jarring hadthey not set the Purgle up in a
few episodes leaving like previously, ina few episodes leading up to up to

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that moment, so like it wasn'tlike they just came out of nowhere.
It's you know, with the waythe story goes of, all right,
well the one map is now destroyed, how we're going to get to them?
Like of course, like, ofcourse this is what's going to happen,
because there's literally no other way forthis for them to get there,
and they like they have to comeup with a plan that you know,

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involved the Pergol and also you know, you gotta get that live action visualization
of like squid whales, you know, straight out of Kajima's head. But
all of a sudden have disco assesand there's blast in the space. So
like the open up there their backends and I'm like, oh god,
that's how they travel through like hybridspaces. Open up their back ends and
they're in their their ten drils andthey're Eldridge horror lovecrafting thing. It's just

(31:49):
light up and then there's blasty space. I'm like, oh, come on,
come on, it's ridiculous. Butwhatever, all that is side,
we have the other drama with Haraand the New Public. It's not the
New Republic or just a bunch ofa holes like like, I mean,
they wouldn't let their general sort ofscope out what's happening in a part of

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the galaxy, right, I meanthey She solidified that yes, on a
certain planet I'm certain part of thegalaxy where they are deconstructing Empire fleet ships,
there are these engines that have thecapability to jump through hyperspace that are
being taken and being sent off somewhere. Because she confirmed that they arrested people

(32:31):
who are Empire sympathize. She confirmedthat. So when she's talking to the
New Republic Council and they're just like, yeah, but this doesn't mean that
Thron's coming. But I think thisdoesn't mean that there's a bigger threat.
It's like, yo, are youwhat? Are you kidding me? They
should we should at least investigate wherethis went. And I found out where
because we put a tracking device onthere, and they're like, well,

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we can't really authorize you going outthere. I'm like what I would immediately
be like, okay, are youguys empire sympathized? Just why don't you
want me to go investigate where thesereal people who were literally sad, you
know, long live the empire andwe arrested some of them, kill some
of them are sending hyper drive capablesupermassive engines over to a part of the

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galaxy. It's like, if you'retrying to bring back Admiral Throne, who
will turn the galaxy again into war, why wouldn't you as a general let
me go do my job. Yeah, it feels like that whole storyline,
which seems interesting, feels weird atthis point. A at this point in
the timeline, and B because Ifeel like they're not going to explore that

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concept enough for it to warrant thatfriction. And like I get that,
you know, it is interesting whereyou know, Haro wants to go off
and do what she want and she'sgot to answer to higher folks. Like
that's fine, but that's not wherea lot of the focus of the show
is. And like, why arewe wasting time on this? Like if
you want to make a show aboutthat, make a show about that.
Let's call it like rebels too.I don't know, but like I don't

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know, It's it's strange that they'resetting there. You know, we've established
the new Republican we've seen between thisand Mandalorian, like they're establishing the cracks
because we obviously know like the firstorder arises, but like that's what thirty
years or like twenty years after this, and they're already like setting the groundwork
for it, And I don't know, it's weird. It's it's interesting,

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but do why are we spending timeon it at the moment? Again,
if it pays off, I'm allfor it, but like you've taken so
long to get to the point wherewe want to with the main storyline.
Why are we spending so much timeon this? And again, cool moment,
I'm down with all of what's happening. It's just weird that we haven't
been focused on that up until thispoint. And now it's like we're already

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in the second half of the season'sonly three more episodes yet, and we
feel like we just got to themeat of the story, like in the
last three minutes of the last episode. So it's like it's weird, like
everything up to this point feels likeit would have been the twenty minute pro
like the twenty minute opener of amovie. Seriously, I mean, and
that's my other grap with this showis that this and the other Disney Plugs

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shows, you're spending so much timeon certain parts of a story and then
getting to the meat potatoes into thestuff that people want. It always happens.
I don't know what's going on orwho's running it, but it's just
like people want to tune in beblown out of their socks, right,
I mean, people are so busynowadays. I mean, people have jobs,
people have lives. I mean,if we start something and we want

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to watch something, we have tobe invested in it right, I mean
and word of mouth travels, Imean stranger things. It kicked off because
of the weight it was right.It gave us an interesting premise, It
gave us some a group of characters, and it really gave us a strange
world. And it's sort of ToilightZoo thing going on right off the bat
and people through word of mouths likethis thing is great. You get right
into it, like you don't reallyneed to know too much. Sort of

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the same with House of Dragon,like, oh wow, we're getting into
it. You know, there's greatstuff happening here. It's really interesting.
And certain other shows, So whenyou have shows that slow burn and sort
of like wean you into it,I mean, I mean, yeah,
there is some action up topic.You know. We had like you know,
Baylin and SHINHATI like to storm abridge. We had a chase with
you know, Chopper and Hara.But the main part of the story is

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sort of happening now, you know, and are we gonna get grandam will
thrown at the very end, justso way to consume next products, right,
it's like, oh, like herehere we're ending off a thrown.
You gotta stay tuned until Watson nextthing and again. I'll say it over
and over again. Tell your storynow. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

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I mean, unfortunately, some youknow people pass away, you know,
you know, beat people aren't hereanymore, and who knows what will
happen with with the world. Likelisten, tomorrow isn't promise. We have
today. Tell your story now.I don't want a way to consume next
product. Don't make your story slow, which is another reason why just quick

(36:57):
change that. I'm not looking forwardto the low key show because there's gonna
stuff is gonna be so slow they'regonna pan it out and then it's like
wait till the next Marvel movie.It's just like I want the thing now.
Okay, be creative enough to havestuff for the other content. Okay,
you know, if you're if you'reopening up a burger joint, make
a really good burger. Don't makean okay burger because you have another good

(37:20):
burger coming up. But we havesomething else coming up on the menu.
It's really good, but right now, have this one that's like sort of
cooked. All the economists are there, but like the rest of the stuff,
the really good one is coming up. Nobody would eat there. Word
of mouth would travel, No onewould eat there. We go out of
business. People would say, whyare we gonna wait to eat the next
thing? Wherever are we gonna comeback to this place of this establishment,
of this food truck, Like youhaven't given us like everything right now,

(37:45):
just give it to us. SoI don't know, like the purgle and
everything happening in the end then blastingoff in the end. It just get
to the point. Get to it. The slow storytelling. That's really it's
lost a lot of people, youknow, like you see a lot of
people drop off the want to watchStock Wars. They want to wants to
do Star Wars thing, but theycan't because of the pacing, because characters

(38:07):
they don't care about from a showthey didn't watch. I mean, like
a lot of people haven't watched theanimated stuff. I mean, fans,
we think we're bigger than we are. I mean, I mean, just
look like we're broadcasting a twitch rightnow. People still don't know what the
hell twitch is. But people onTwitch think it's the biggest thing, right.
It's not as big as you thinkit is anyway. That aside.

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Overall, I did really enjoy theepisode. We have a Sooka the White
now come up just like gandoff.You know, she changed her clothes.
You gotta change clothes out of nowhere. It is, it doesn't matter,
doesn't make sense. She is nowa soaka the White because that's kind of
what Folony did in the animated stuffas I saw Terti early, and he's
kind of doing a thing where youknow he's borrowing from some other stuff.
Yes, or a callbacks and thingsor whatever. But yes, now she's

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a soaka of the White. That'sgreat, getting these manifits clothes. And
then she gets into the mouth ofa pergol, the biggest one. Well,
you know she she went into hership right like she probably has other
closes in their shipman Craigle holding allright, why don't you bust that thing
out? Hell, I mean,it wasn't cold enough. It just it's
mighty inconvenience. Whatever she happened tohop into the mouth of a purple.

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She speaks to it. She's like, I have no idea if it's gonna
take us where we need to go. I have no idea, but I'm
a forced user, and I believeI believe we're gonna blast off into into
the right direction and behold, they'reprobably gonna, you know, really end
up in the right place. Solet's see what happens in the next episode.
Holy crap, this one one.I would say it was a banger,
just seeing Anakin, seeing Hayden Christensen, and especially seeing him, oh

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man, his moves from Nick Gillard. Bro. Listen, everyone who doesn't
know. Nick Gillard was the reasonwhy Star Wars had such cool light super
fights. You know, he wasa guy who put it all together.
He had If you look up thebest light super fights of all time,
it's all from Nick Gillard. Dudelike albi Wan and versus Anakin, Darth
Maul versus Qui gun Jen and ObiDude like Qui Gon versus versus Darth Maul.

(40:00):
Like, dude, all all thisstuff. I mean Anakin and Obie's
style, his spin, Anakin's signaturespin which he did in this one.
I was like, he did theflourish. He didn't spend all the anti
spin. Oh he did it.Yeah. When I saw it was like,
let's go. Hayden Christiansen hasn't losthis touch. That was him doing
it, because dude, I mean, they practiced for hours now. It

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was like the Matrix sun. Theydrilled in like like day after day after
day. If anyone has ever watchedthe behind the scenes for the prequels,
you saw that Hayden, Christiansen,right, and you and McGregor practiced.
It was really them doing the saberfights. And you know, unfortunately,
I'll give George Lucas in flight,unfortunately he filmed some of those fights a
certain way where it kind of reallytook it away because when he watched behind

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the scenes stuff, they're moving thatfast, They're moving quickly, and they
practiced with metal rods. Okay,Nick Gillard had to like straighten him out
during practice, you know, Butthey fought with metal rods. That's how
they freaking train, you know.Darth maul Obi and Itkin did trained with
metal in lightsaber hilts. That's whenthey practiced with and they were moving quickly.

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You know, they hit themselves sometimes. It was really brutal with men.
And you see Hayden never lost anyof those reflexes. He I wonder
if he just like walks around hisplace or whenever he has a time,
just with his saber, just trollingit around, because man, when he
did it in his episode, everyonejust lost her like, oh, there's
somebody reacts to, oh this hasbeen there's a floor y his farm.
His form was immaculate in this show, dude. Like when he was going

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up against Asoka, him, ohman, the movies, he pulled out
bros. Masterful, absolutely masterful.Anakin was a problem and Asoka is great.
She's probably on her own rap.But that's Anakin Skywalker. Baby.
You saw his prowess. He sawoh man, he was just locked in,
absolutely locked in. And and forthose saying that that Asoka won,
no no, no, no nono, Anakin was training Ahsoka. It's

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not that she won. He wastraining her. Okay, she didn't beat
Anakin. He was training her.That's what he wanted her to do.
What she needed to get done,what she needed to realize. Okay,
Like people are like, oh man, oh this what is this show?
Act j Skywalker? Oh what isthis? What is this? I'm that
guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. That's what she needed to

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do. That there was a purp, Yeah, there was. It was
to unlock inside her that she wasgonna fight back. She's been trying not
she's been afraid up until this pointof what she would become if she actually
like was aggressive, and then shedid it. She fought for herself and
bam unlock what she needed. Therewas a point to that fight. There

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was absolutely no point to him fightingObi Wan Kenobi and the Kenobi show.
It's two different things, way,two different things. Chris fireing shots,
chow all right here, I stilldoing it. Sorry, Oh my gosh,
Oh that's great. I hope shenever touched another Star Wars property,
unless it's underneath someone's too ledge like. I mean, she had a great
job under Jon Favrea, but lookedher own devices. It's just like,

(42:59):
why did you want young lad?And Reva makes note we have you and
McGregor and Hayden Christensen. You havea one size We didn't come from the
other characters. I don't understand.So, hey, is the bad guy,
make reeve of the bad guy,don't make read of the bad guy.
But then also Darth Vaders there becausehe's gonna overshadow you, which means
you just ruined a character that couldhave been really cool. And then and

(43:20):
then and then in the end,Reva's sort of yo, she's just a
victim. She's she's sort of agood guy. Now I'm like, miss
me with that bowl, absolutely yeah, miss me anyway, dude. So
in the in the end, theyblast off in the pergol uh and and
the New Republics. So they're likelike ships are like, oh whoa wait
what because you had the one ofthe squadron captain talk about listening, You're

(43:40):
not gonna believe me? Yeah,yeah, you're not gonna believe me.
What would I tell you? Andshe's like, yo, you gotta tell
us. We're supposed to here tobring you guys in. What are y'all
doing out here? And then she'slike, wait a minute, you mean
to tell me there are flying whaleswho are in tune with the force and
space travel? What is a map? And Granama thrown? Are you kidding

(44:01):
me? And then the Purgles comethrough like, oh oh, you were
telling the truth. Oh my god, hey, get out of the way.
If FA said get out of theway, holy crap, what the
hell is this? You know?And you see the disbelief in their face
in the awe of the Purgles,which was it was it was. It
was kind of a nice moment.And then the blast into space. Chris
what do you think is going tohappen? Episode six out of it?

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Are we finally going to see Thrown? What's going to happen? Are we
cutting back to the Scion, tothe bridge where we see shinhatin Sabine and
we get some dollar here where?What do you want to have happened?
What do you think is gonna happen? I think you have to write,
like I think you have to spendthat next episode focusing on on what happens
with Sabine and then at the veryend or potentially not even until the next

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episode, Asoka is gonna come inriding. Wouldn't it be funny if if
Asoka comes blasting in on our shipthat's like covered in like vines and ship
and he's She's like, man,we finally after after all those other adventures
we just had, we just finallymade it. We finally caught up,
and now we can rescue Editor anddestroy Thrown, And like we don't actually
see those other adventures, Like that'sthe only way they could make the Oh,

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well they brought us to another galaxyor whatever. But I like what
usually happens and what has happened inthe last and most of the Marvel Shows
is like the penultimate episode is likesetting the stage for the final episode,
right, So, I mean,I think I feel like this far in

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the game, like we're not goingto get much thrown. Let's be honest,
Like it's probably gonna be the teaserfor whatever, the movie or season
two or whatever. And that's annoyingbecause otherwise thron would have been the mid
season reveal and we didn't get it. So, but I think they need
to establish what's happened, because we'veseen what's happening with a Sooka when she's
on her own. We got tosee what happens with Sabine while Sabine's on

(45:50):
her own. That way, theycan naturally bring them back together to you
know, join up and save theday and what have you. So yeah,
well, I mean that's it's gonnabe a Sabine heavy episode. We
probably won't even see Asca, andif we do, it's gonna be at
the very end of the episode.Back to this. Meanwhile, back on
the Sabine Show, I think it'sgonna go back to the Sabine Wren show.
It's gonna focus on her, andthen towards the latter half of the

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episode like either either Asoka blasts andyou know, the pergols actually come through,
or yeah, I fear we're notgoing to get thrown so maybe episode
seven maybe, or unfortunately it willbe terrible episode eight because then it's just
like, Okay, consume next product, stay tuned. Yeah, but yeah,
man, overall, I thought thisepisode was great. Seeing live action

(46:36):
Clone Wars was insane. Who everthought we would get to this point,
Like, I don't think anyone wasbitten on seeing that, and it was
wonderful. I hope, you know, Disney Lucasfilm sees all the positive feedback,
sees all the reactions, and therewere there were sort of live tweeting
retweeting some of the positive reactions frompeople who were doing their watch parties and
stuff like that, and we're livetweeting, so hopefully they cekay theories.

(47:00):
At Hunger, there was a thirstfour a lot of the live action versions
of the Folony animated stuff, becauseI mean, I think he did a
bang up job with his live actionClone Wars stuff, and it was just
like a fog of war sort oflike alternate reality type thing where we're back
in there. But man, wasit well directed Hayden Christensen shouts to him
well acted. Great redemption song forHayden Christensen, who was hated by the

(47:22):
Star Wars fans back in the prequels, who sort of you know, lost
his way because of it. Butwith you know, times changing, people
have come to love the prequels andlove his performance and really like him.
You know, over the years,people showing up for his photo opportunities at
Star Wars celebration, the comic countthat's just for Star Wars. People looking
out for him wherever he goes,and everyone kind of shouting him out in

(47:44):
a positive way whenever they see himin public. So love to see that.
He got to do Anakin live action. As he said himself, he's
watched the animated Clone Wars, youknow, so it was great to see
this redemption man. Absolutely wonderful formen's shout Outstar Ariana Green Black, who
played Young Asoka. I think shedid a fantastic job. Good for her,
you know, like like w agencyI mean being I mean she got

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to be younger Mora Infinity Awara Husallyand then young Asoka, I mean,
what a resume, what a following? Holy crap, and and being only
sixteen years old. I think she'son her way because I really thought she
did a great job portraying the heartbreak, portraying the turmoil that Asoka was feeling.

(48:30):
How she she didn't want to anakinto even joke, and he was
like, listen, like training isis something that's not all I's cracked up
to be. And She's just like, what, I'm just joking out,
You're joking a time like this?Well you want what do you want me
to do? Be more serious?Oh yeah, I kind of like.
I love the hold back and forth. It was. It was freaking great.
Oh man, I love it,absolutely love it. But yeah,

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man, that was episode five ofStar Wars Asoka. What did you guys
think about it? Absolute banger ofepisode. Before we wrap up, I
have to share that after every singleepisode, I've gotten a text. Me
and my wife had gotten text fromour friends a gift of Old Greg because
how much they do not enjoy Harrismakeup, which is the funniest thing in

(49:15):
the world. So I'm out andall of a sudden, I'll get a
text message with old Greg and I'llbe like, oh, all right,
well he watched the episode. Thefunniest thing in the world. And that's
all the time we have for thisepisode. Thank you for listening. Make
sure to join us live every Thursdaynight at nine pm Eastern on Twitch.
You can also watch these episodes upon YouTube as well. We'll see you

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guys later, We'll see you anothertime.