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Speaker 1 (00:05):
In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's
and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's this Balls
and teas your passport to the golfing universe, where every
swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
(00:28):
into the world of diveds, drives and delightful.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Better right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and
only twenty two in the ball with a lot of like. Yes,
I am a classic man. As you already know, there's
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only one magician when it comes to golf podcast, and
that is I myself. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, it is
a Wednesday evening, and I'm so excited to be here
because the last time I engaged with you was last
week Wednesday. And as you know, man, my weekend starts
on a Wednesday, and I told you do not inhibit
bad habits of saying we can also start on a
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Wednesday because tomorrow are going to work. But nonetheless, ladies
and gentlemen, as you know, were obliged. You asked us
to actually carry the show abroad and to take it overseas,
and we did exactly that. Because tonight's episode we have
a guest from I won't say the place, but I
can tell you that he's from abroad, and we are
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so excited to host this gentleman because he understands he
leaves golf. But ladies and gentlemen, before I even bring
in our guests, please, let's stick to the drill. And
our drill is very simple. Get yourself an ice cold
blast of water, juice, whatever you want to drink, because
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it's about to get hot in Yere. Already it's hot
in Pretoria. I was anticipating some rain today, same as yesterday.
But yesterday rained, today I see no rain at Also,
I hope you guys are ready for this, because for
as much as the show is going to be heated,
you are going to learn a lot more about golf. So,
ladies and gentlemen, let's take that two minute break and
(02:17):
then after two minutes we come back. Then we progress
with the show. You will enjoy yourself. Go get the
glass of water, and then when we come back, as
you know, things are about to get heated.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
In a world where fairways meet the airwaves where birdiees
and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls,
and t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every
swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
(02:55):
into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The magician, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the only show
that metals. As as said, I hope you've got your refreshments,
because men, am I so happy? And you know what
makes me more excited is the fact that the gentlemen
that we have today actually has a name similar to mine.
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So hopefully it's gonna be more fun than I actually anticipated.
So without any furtherer ado, ladies and gentlemen, please help
me in welcoming Masta Antonio, Louro, ray Tony.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right, good afternoon to all.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thank you very much for the invitation, and I'm sure
it's gonna be very good and long and eded conversation
with you.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Turning to.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Under present, TONI I just want to say, before anything else,
thank you, thank you, thank you so much because I
understand time. It's not your best friend. You're always on
the move, You're busy, and I just want to say
thank you for honoring this invite. Firstly and obviously to
your team and everyone around you who's allowed us an
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opportunity to engage with you today. I just want to
say a big shout out to them. I try to
introduce you, but I don't think I did so much
justice to your name, Antonio, would you please reintroduce yourself
and just give the audience an idea of who you are,
what you do and yeah, just those kind of things.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Okay, good afternoon everybody. So my name Antonio Lord is
Antonio Lord, and I'm sixty five years old, a project
manager by trade sort of that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have been doing.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Projects all over the world and obviously along with that
sort of playing golf for the last forty years. Three
time Portuguese champion in two club championship, two times in
mid amateur, one time overall. And I was actually born
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in Angolan many many years ago, and my first nationality
is actually Angoland. So it was a dream to come
back to Angolan and actually contribute for the growth of
the country. And I've been in Angola for the last
sixteen years and on the last five I was invited
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to become the CEO of a golf resort in Angola,
just seven ti kilometers away from Loundon. So on these
last five years I've been involved with with the resort,
being even more involved with golf to the crazy point
(06:06):
of becoming a professional with sixty two years old. So
I've been playing the Senior Sunshine Tour in South Africa
for the last three years. So it was a crazy
decision but one which was important, one which was important
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for me as a person and as a sportsman, because
it's actually that something which will keep me alive, will
keep me training every day, will keep me sort of
trying to improve every day, which is actually golf, all
about golf, and obviously it was a great opportunity to
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join with one of the most powerful countries golf countries
in the world, which is South Africa, and obviously giving
us the opportunity of networking with important players, important sort
of decision makers in golf, which is absolutely vital for us.
Yet a goola, we are very a country which only
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has one golf course, which is actually the one I run,
and it's a nation which has no experience whatsoever in golf,
so it's a.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Big, big challenge.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And we'll learn in Africa that if you want to
go fast, you go along, if you want to go
far away, you go together. So the decision was get
together with South Africa with.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All the all the knowledge and.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The networking in South Africa and sort of try to
make something happen in both ways in golf and South Africa.
So I hope it was not a very long introduction.
That's pretty much what I am. But as far as
this is concerned, it's forty years of golf with many,
many roles both in Portugal and.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, hundred percent. Then I have to say thank you,
thank you for that in depth introduction. You've taken away
all the questions that I had. But I'll find something
to ask. But before we even get into the crux
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of matters, Antonio, I just want to find out something
you mentioned that you only got into the pro second
three years ago, which is through the Sunshine Talk. Now,
my question would be, has it always been a dream
of yours to actually play professional or is it something
that you were, like, you know what, I've been playing
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this sport for so long.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Let me just.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Continue enjoying it on a professional level.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well, you know, that's one of the things which we
all go for. Shared is always the challenge. We need
something to challenge us every day. And obviously, playing as
an amateur with sixty five years old, it would sort
of give me a few amateur tournaments and it was
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really not sort of the sort of competition and the
challenge I was looking for. Obviously, playing with players like
a few important names like David Frost, Neville Clark, Andrew
McClard and Dog mcgig and Keith Horn so obviously puts
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the challenge into a completely different level.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Obviously, by sharing the.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Golf course, is sharing the putting greens with this very
high level sort of players, it will give you a
different view of the golf and a different challenge altogether.
So I don't know if I made myself clear, but
obviously it was a decision because it's playing professionally even
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at sixty two years old, was more the type of
challenge I was looking for than simply playing amateur tournaments
here and there, which are fine, but it was not
enough for me as a challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I fully understand that, and I think it actually makes sense,
because as a person, I believe that we thrive on challenges.
If we become too complacent, then we don't really get
fulfilled to say we have done what we actually wanted
to achieve. So thank you for the clarity. Now, if anything,
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if anything I just want to find out from you, Antonio,
is that I mean you mentioned that you have played
in the amateur second for quite some time, and you've
got a few accolades from there. Now, when we look
at this professional aspect of golf or the professional space,
especially when it comes to tory, because I believe that
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once in a while tournaments will be held in different places,
how different is that compared to the amateur circuit. Do
you also taught the continent during those amateur matches or
are you only experiencing it now when you get into
the professional circuit.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Well, sort of touring as such, only nours that I'm
playing in the in the professional circuit, and I played
sort of amateur in Portugal for a long long time
and it was sort of a pretty much sort of
national competitions. I did play a few a few tournaments
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as an amateur in the in the professional in the
professional circuits at my club I was club captain of Gutavus,
which was host of the European Tour events. During five
years in a row, we hosted as well sort of
a senior at the Legends Tour now the Legends Tour,
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but then the Senior Tour, the Ladies Ladies Tour, the
Challenge Tour. So we had quite a few events, professional
events at ower at my club then in Portugal, and
obviously as a Cup captain, I was invited to play
quite a few times on the professional tournaments as an amateur.
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But during these sort of amateur sort of years, I
was lucky enough to play like I played Shut Schwartzel
in one year. The next year he was played the
problem of the Portuguese Open with Shad Schwartzel and the
next year he won the Masters. So the next year
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I played with Martin Kahan and the next year he
won the Masters.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So I was lucky enough.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
To play to play with a few big names of
the professionals, and I was able as well to understand
a bit what was the professional and the touring. But
only now at sixty sixty two years old, I'm actually
sort of being part of that side of the golf game.
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Which is a completely different side and as completely different pressures,
completely different challenges from the amateurs. You know, amateur is
pretty much like you defend your club. You want to
become a good player, but you don't have the pressure
of going from one tournament to the other and needed
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to make money to pay your trip. And yeah, even
today with me, you go into the driving range and
just just in front of you you Ky Torn eating balls.
Behind you you have James Kingston and suddenly you realize
what the hell am I doing here. It's a big challenge,
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and it's even worse when it happens with you and
you have to make money to pay you on next trip.
So the professional circuit is extremely, extremely demanding these days,
no doubt, nothing compared with the amateurs. Although during these
last years the amateurs, with the world ranking and the
big sort of amateur tournaments is becoming actually the entrance
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door for the professional circuit. So these boys are really
sort of getting the same sort of pressure, the same
sort of training, the same sort of challenge that most
of the professionals are living on a day to day.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And I mean, like you said, the landscape is totally
different between amateur golf and professional golf. I just want
to find out if you were to compare the intensity
of training or preparation between amateur circuit and the professional circuit,
what would you say has changed over the years that
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you've actually played in the professional circuit and what kind
of preparation do you actually do different to what you
used to do back then.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, Tony, really, the the industry and the the all
the the the ages that you have today on your
preparations from sort of everything, all the computers, all the
track mans, all the technology, all the software that you
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put in your body and you check all the parts
of your body in the swing and everything else. The
evolution of that side of the game is been absolutely unbelievable.
And obviously with that, all the training is changed quite
a lot. So these days you see people sort of
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training flexibility, training sort of muscles, and all the preparation
that goes into making a professional, top quality professional player
is a lot more complete than used to be in
my time. And basically, at my time we were barely
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touching the psychological part of the game and the sort
of all of that, and today, Tony, that's part of
the game. I don't believe there is a top professional player.
And I'm sure that most of the top quality amateurs
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that they don't have a team of physical training, psychological training,
sort of coach or swing coach, putting coach, whatever. It's
a big team, that's and the training is a lot
more detailed, a lot more sort of sophisticated, and used
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to be in my time. When I started playing golf,
our idols were people like seven yen balles Teros, and
it was it was all about talent. It was all
about sort of the talent of the game. And you know,
you know, we both know these days that talent is
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not enough. You need you need to put a lot
more so the long and the short is obviously the preparation,
the training, everything else today is absolutely different, a lot
more intents, a lot more demanding. And when I was
sort of a top amateur, you you used to train
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sort of two or three times a week, one or
two hours. Well, if you want to be a top
professional these days, that is the amount of hours you
need to put in one day.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Mm hmmm. You know, earlier I forgot to say, I've
got to mention that because you did mention that you
played with Charles Wattle and then he won the Masters,
and then you played with Kingston if I'm not mistaken,
and he also won the Masters.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Martin Kanner, Martin Kanner, I'm not too sure what was
the sequence, but it was two years in a row
and they both want the Masters.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yes, Martin Kanner, it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Was Martin Kimer. Yeah, because I forgot to say, you
know what, I think they were very lucky to play
with you, because it seems that whoever played, if you
want the Masters. So if anyone out there who wants
to win the Masters, they need to schedule a game
with you.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, I'm always available on the Senior Sunshine Tour. We
always play with amateurs. It's always a pleasure to share
sort of the two days of golf with people which
are willing to come and experience a bit of these
forty years, a lot of a lot of stories, a
lot of experiences with amazing people, amazing people that it's
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there's still references of the game of golf disdays.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And I mean, as you mentioned, over forty years playing
the spot and majority of those years you said you
you were in the amateur second. Now I just want
to find out obviously playing in different countries that the
landscape is totally different. And you did make mention that
currently in Angola there's only one golf course, which is
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Mangay if I'm not mistaken and looking at the accessibility thereof,
and you were to compare it to South African accessibility
to golf courses, how how much more work do you
think still needs to take place within Angola for his
dance to make sure that get the landscape competes with
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some of the world's top countries when it comes to golf.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well not maybe sort of defender basically our golf course.
As you know, we we we've been helding sort of
we have the senior Sunshine to coming to us. Uh
this this year will be the fourth time. So last
year the winner at our golf tournament, the Senior Manguy's
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Senior Classic, was David Frost. And so David Frost when
he ended up ended the tournament, he was asked sort
of David, what's your opinion about the golf course? And
he told the new the guy from the radio and
the newspaper, he told them that if he was blindfolded
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and brought on elicopter down to our gold of course,
he would believe that he was thought that he was
in Florida. So basically the our golf course has been
sort of rated very very highly by all the players
that have come to play with us. And I mentioned
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David Frost, but I can mention James Kingston, he was
with us already.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Keithorne was the.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
First guy which won the first edition of the Mangui's
Senior Classic. We've got Doug mcgigan he won the second
one this year.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We had we had sort of Magnus Livy, which.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is a Swedish guy with more than thirty years experiencing
the European Tour. We had Andrew Bozart, which is he
was born in South Africa but the Swiss and a
member of the Legends Legends Tour Committee. And we only
received sort of very very good sort of opinions about
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the golf course. Is a full championship golf course, extremely
demanding and it's a big challenge and it's basically.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Untouched.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Lens is nothing like we have in many many golf
courses in South Africa which are part of a development project.
So we've got a nice golf course, but it's it's
all over all over the golf course and obviously with
us it's nature, nature and nature, so it's a completely
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different field. And once again it's if I can, if
I can try to make a similarity to South Africa,
the only place where you can actually find something like
the golf course we have in Angola.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's a wild coast, so you can you.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Can see the basically what we have here, the same
type of golf course, the same type of wind, the
same type of proximity, proximity to the sea. So it's
pretty much a wild coast golf course in Angola.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's lovely. That's lovely, and I believe our audience can't
even wait to I'm sure that some are already googly
and uh some can't even wait to come and play
at Manguy. I just want to find out from you,
like in secret playing at my guy uh as Antonio,
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mm hmm, right, how how many times have you broken
that cost? How many times have you actually beat that course?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I broke that course about two times playing from the
from the back teas and not even from the back, back,
back back teas, because this is a seven thousand plus
golf course at sea level with fairways that the ball
doesn't run like some of the golf courses in.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
South Africa. So it's a very long, long golf course.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
For me with sixty five years old, I hit the
ball between two twenty and two forty meters and I
leave myself many times seven woods and five woods as
a second shot. So's it's not an easy golf course.
Obviously for somebody like Keithorn, which still plays on the
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Senior Sunshine Tour, is one of the top players of legend.
Thure eats the ball to seventy to eighteen, it's easier
for me. It's not an easy golf course. It's a
golf course which I'm very very happy when I go
round in Level Park.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And just.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
With of wisdom to young golfers like myself, if you
were to share something and reflecting on your early ages
as a golfer, to say, okay, how, how or what
would be the best way to approach the sport in general?
Is it more about how hard you heat or how
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far you hit, or is it more about how strong
you are mentally? Like you said that there's a huge
difference now between amateur and professional in the sense that
the mental acumen has been emphasized in the professional aspect.
So if you were to look at your young self
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and maybe give a few tips to say, okay, right
now I'm in the professional league. In order for you
to actually continue enjoying golf and continue being the best
is what you do? What would you say are the
key that young golfers should actually look.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Into, well, Tony, Really, the basically, if you reduced the
golf the golf game, it's all about sort of eating fairways,
eating greens, and making putts and actually, believe it or not,
I believe the last one is by far the most important.
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If you put well, and if you go and check
all the big big names in the golf the game
of golf, they were all in that time extremely extremely
good butters and I can tell you that I played,
as I said, I played with many professionals. I played
a few tournaments with top quality professionals and second level
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professionals and third level professionals, Tony, they all hit the
ball very far, They all hit the ball very well.
The difference is actually the short game and putting. If
you do that well, you'll become a great, a great
player golf player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So really, the.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
For me even today, it's the big, big challenges, go
round and put well, make twenty nine, twenty eight, thirty puts,
then you have an extremely good round of golf. Because
if you do that, obviously the pressure of your long game,
the pressure of your approach shots, it's less than when
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you know that if I'm not going to make the
fairway and then if I have myself a long put,
I'm going to three pot or I'm going to miss
the pot, So the pressure for me starts building up
from the green backwards.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So if you're putting well, it's easier.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, well, I missed the green, but I can
chipen put or I went to the banker and I
can do a bunker shot and a put. So I
believe sixty percent of the game of golf today is
but you need to put well to become a very
very good golf player.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It's my opinion.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
One. No, no, no, that's I mean, as I said four
years plus in golf, I'd rather listen to all the
advice that I can get and note it down than
actually just going and approaching with my little experience that
I have in the spot.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
You know. But yeah, it's really, it has been and
it always will be. A putting is, but think is
a game within a game. We all say that, and
it's it's really what makes the difference. I was playing
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sort of a couple of times in the City Sunshine
Tour and Bobby Lincoln he told me something which I
agree one hundred percent, and that's the difference. It's putting
is all about visualizing, visualizing and visualizing. If you see
the ball going in, you have a great, great, great,
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great chance of the ball going in. So it's it's
something which people don't train. And I see our amateurs.
I will see many of our youngsters. They spend a
lot of time on the driving range, hitting drivers to
seventy to eighty, and don't even spend ten percent of
that time on the putting ring. And obviously, I don't
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believe that's the right combination to become a good golf
one er.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
All right, Antonio, we've reached the halfway mark of our show.
Can we quickly go for a two minute water break
and then when we get back show, we will be
going deeper and deeper into this conversation because I believe
we've your experience. There's so much that we can all learn,
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even people who are already in the professional. Second who
are listening, they can still learn because I believe there's
nothing that can eliminate experience. Regardless how good you are.
If you don't have the experience or you haven't walked
the second path, the only thing that can teach you
would be from the horse's mouth, who has walked that path.
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So if you don't mind, can we peoplely go for
that two minute break and then we'll get back into
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Sir, Okay, we'll do so. Thank you, Tom the.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
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In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Bertie's
and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's Balls and
T's your passport to the golfing universe, where every swing
tells the story and every part has its punchline. Get
ready to step onto the large screens and dive into
(32:39):
the world of divids, drives and delightful Better.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are still here on
a Wednesday evening. Balls and is the only relevant podcast
when we talk about golf internationally, not just here in
South Africa. And as you already know, we are joined
by a Sunshine Senior top player who is from Angola
and this man has a lot of experience behind him
(33:20):
when it comes to golf. So we will be going
into a second segment and he'll be sharing a lot
more about his experiences and maybe share a couple of
tips to golfers who are interested in becoming professional, or
even if you just want to play social, there's a
few tips that can actually help you stand out amongst
(33:41):
the rest Antonio, Yes, yes, Tony, thank you, Thank you
so much for staying on the line. So we had
a beautiful conversation before the break. So now, as I said,
we are going to drill a bit deeper into what
we've been discussing. The one thing that I just want
to find out from you. I mean, you've seen all
(34:04):
the changes within golf over the years that you've played golf,
whether it be clubs, whether it be cost layouts, or
even all the developments and technologies around golf. Now I
just want to find out from you. Obviously you are
in the professional second, and as you said, it's intent
(34:24):
one needs to prepare physically, mentally and emotionally before every
single game. There is technological advancements in equipment. There's traking systems,
swing analysis and all those kind of things. Now, I
want to find out from you, as a professional golfer,
how often what impact do these things actually have in
(34:48):
your game overall?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But they do have quite a lot of quite a
lover of impact.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And starting for instance, on on putting. Today you have
you have equipments like blasts, which is a small equipment
which you add to the grip of your butter, which
gives you which gives you absolutely vital information. Putting is
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all about the way you present the face of the
club to the ball at the moment of impact, and
half of the degree of closed and open can determine
that you're going to make the butt or miss the butter.
So that technology which helps you to understand your your swing,
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put in your butter and how you present the face
of the butter to the ball. It's it's a massive
change from what.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It used to be.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
We used we used to to practice with aluminium rulers
a meter one meter aluminium rules, trying to to eat
the putts and the ball could not leave the aluminium rule.
Obviously that with training you the way that you presented
the face of the butter to the to the ball.
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But with this new technology it is absolutely vital and
as you go, as you go to the full swing
with the tractments and all that technology it gives you,
it gives you vital information about what you need to
do with with your golf swing. But probably probably because
(36:35):
I'm I'm still an old school golfer. Obviously, all that
all that technology tells me all the swing is but
teaching swing, teaching golf for me or teaching a golf swing,
it's all about feelings. Because you can see everything you
(36:56):
want on this beautiful technologies and everything else. But as somebody,
when you try to tell somebody what to do to
correct the swing, it cannot be cannot be a piece
of software, It cannot be an informatic information.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It needs to be a feeling. You need to feel
that your.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Club is coming more inside, more up, your ends need
to be a little bit loser.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
So really, I believe that the real, real.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Important part of our today's teaching pros it is the
ability of bridging the technology with being able to transmit
the necessary feelings and sort of information so the golfers
can change the swing and improve. So I would say
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that the technology is a huge step and it brings
you a lot of information, but really I still do
believe that people that want to improve golf they need
to go to teaching pros and being able to be
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with them once a month or once every two months
and being able to check the swing and see what's happening,
and that will improve a lot. Not only technology, because Tony,
I see these days because YouTube is a huge source
of swing tips. You see everything you see from Chinese
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guys swinging the club and teaching you or to sing
inside outside drives and jaws and fades and everything else.
That's all great, but you need to be with the
teaching pro. You needs to tell you, well, this is
basically what you need to do. Because one thing is
what you see in YouTube and you believe that what
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you need in your swing, and so many times it's not.
It's not really not. You need somebody which is able
to look at you and say, well, this is basically
what you need.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And and just just to make
a follow up on that, two weeks ago, we had
a guest, Jason Rowe, who is one of the founding
members of the Golfers Club, and I asked him a
question to say, Okay, how how important is it to
actually get the right equipment or to go for fittings?
(39:36):
And can I just ask you this as a professional,
as someone who's seen the ups and downs within golf,
to say, okay, how valuable is it for you to
actually go for fittings if you want new clubs? And
how does it relate to you? As you said, when
it comes to things like a swing, it's more about
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a feeling for you. Now when it comes to equipment,
obviously the weight will differ, the shaft will defer, the
club face will differ. So how imperative is it to
make sure that you've got the right clubs for you
so that you can actually play the right kind of golf.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Well, for me, it's fundamental.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's I go quite often to to South Africa to
to to have my equipment checked and do the fittings.
Anytime that I see that something is not correct, it's
obviously all my my clubs are checked and they are
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made exactly to my my specifications, and everything is checked
to the detail. And that detail is absolutely vital for
you to perform at very high level. So so for
professionals these days, Tony, it's it's a must. If you
really want to play your best, you need to go
(41:00):
to a fitting. You need to understand exactly what's the
best equipment, what's the best specifications.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And that's vital.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Now as far as amateurs, let me tell you that obviously,
as far as amateurs, yes, from a certain point, from
a certain level of handicap onwards, it's also absolutely vital
that you see you go to do a fitting for
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many reasons. First, because the equipment we buy off the
shop sometimes is not exactly exactly the correct.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Specifications for you.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Sometimes the equipment itself, because it's mass production, is not
exactly exactly what it should be. So the combination of
and I'll tell you very very funny but very common thing.
You ever set of clubs and then you have one
club which you don't like, You.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Never eat that club, well never.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's the sixth islan that everything works perfectly well. When
I get to my six iron, it's not working well, Tony,
just get it to a fitting because probably the six
iron the specifications are wrong. There is something which is
not exactly the same as the other clubs. And that's
the reason why you cannot eat the six island. It's
nothing to do with your swing. So the long and
(42:30):
the short is well tony. Absolutely fitting is fundamental if
you really want to improve your handicap. There is two
sorts of fitting which I'll recommend for everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
One is obviously the general.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Player, the general play like the irons and the drivers
and the woods.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
But one which many people don't even think about, it's
putting fitting. So as you know, there is proper equipment
you can be fitted. You can adjust a lot of
your butter. You can just the light angle, you can
just the length of your pattern, and I can tell
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you that that can make a huge difference. That can
mean four or five shots in a round of golf.
So fitting by all means percent.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Thank you so much for that input, Antonio. Now you
spoke about the difference that patting can actually make. It
can actually determine whether you win or lose. With that
being said, I really really want to find out from you. Actually,
I've been dying to ask you this question since we
started the show, to say which one of the tos
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you've played in what's your best and which was your West?
And why was one of the best? Well was one
the west? Could it be the fact that you want
Could it be the fact that the environment was incredible? What?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
What? What?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
What actually made the difference between the two the West
and the best that you've actually played?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, the best was by far?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Warning the Media Amateur Championship in Portugal, just to give
you an idea, the last day you play, you play foursomes,
which is a terrible, terrible modality of playing golf.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
So as you know.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
It's it's alternate shots and alternate tease, so if you
miss your t shirt, your partner will be killing you.
So it's it's it's a big, big pressure. And obviously
we started the day, the last day, which was foursomes.
We started the day we were about eight shots behind
the the team which was leading and uh and playing fossoms.
(45:06):
Myself and my partner we played sort of level power
on a very very tough golf course and the other
team which played with us, also from our club, it
also played level part so we recover eight shots and
we won by by We won actually by five, so
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actually they what was different I don't know the I
can tell you that the golf holl was looking a
lot bigger than usual because we were sort of reading
the lines, reading the greens and making puts from all
(45:48):
over the place, sort of eating tremendously good shots, recovering
very well.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
So you know, it's sometimes.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
They the best is this by many of us in golf,
like being in the zone. So you ended up not
having any swing tots and you don't have any keys,
and you just look at the target and you fire
a target and it goes and you make everything. So
(46:18):
that's the difference between the best and the worst is
when you get to the golf course full of doubts
and full of swing toots, and you forget about the target,
you forget about enjoying your game, and then every shot
is is a pain and it goes from worse to worse.
(46:42):
And obviously what I'm saying, I'm sure that many of
us today on this podcast, we know, we know this feeling. Unfortunately,
we know this feeling, and it's all about sort of
the mental game. The mental game can bring you to
your best, can take you to your worst, and you
(47:04):
really need to focus on sort of visualizing the shots
shooting at the target and the confidence will bring will
be raising and raising. And I don't know if I
did explain myself and try to convey the difference between
the best and the worst my best experience.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I had a few.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I won a few big sort of amateur tournaments. I
play the few finals of amateur tournaments the World Corporate
all of those. So I've been there and the ones
I've won that the common trace of all of those.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
It's on those.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Days you just look at the target and the bogos.
It's as easy as it can get.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Thank you for that explanation. And uh, to make a
follow up on that, I'm gonna put you on the
spot and more you're gonna put so it goes like this. Obviously,
you've been playing in the Senior Sunshine Toal, like you said,
(48:19):
for the past three years, you've played numerous courses here
in South Africa. Now, of all the courses that you've played,
if there's anyone that is in this Yes Sunshine Senior toll,
which one are you looking forward to playing this?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (48:42):
That's That's a that's a very easy question, Tony. Everybody
at a Senior Sunshine too knows that. For me, it'swood.
It's a Port Elizabeth I love, I love my My.
My golf course in Portugal was a Lynks golf course.
So I played sort of too many years on a
(49:03):
links on links golf course, and uh, it's the type
of golf which goes which goes with my style. Yeah,
I'm quite sort of comfortable with playing on a links
golf course. Oomud in Port Elizabeth is a beautiful golf course,
an old golf course, a really sort of proper links
(49:24):
golf course. And it's tough, but it's no, I don't know.
For me, it's very enjoyable, very very enjoyable. So I'm
always asking the people on the Syne At sun John
Tour when it's going to be Port Elizabeth.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'm there, m h.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
And then okay, obviously needs to be an opposite today
to say, Okay, which one has been your nemesis since
you started playing in the Sunshine Sia talk.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
But before I before I tell you that, uh, that one,
let me tell you that many many people in the
ask me, an Tony, what's the best golf course in
the world that you play that till today? And just
just for you to see how crazy I am. For me,
the best golf course in the world is card Nusti,
(50:19):
which is probably one of the toughest golf courses in
the world. So and so it's it's it's it's crazy,
but it's the style of golf I like and cart Nustias,
something which you also see in a couple of golf
courses in South Africa. For me, the quality of the
(50:43):
golf course, it's not only the quality of the course itself,
it's the quality of the club also. It's the quality
of the service, how you received, and the the ambience
and the when you get car Nusti, you like sort
of breeding golf every second from the time you step
(51:05):
out of the car. And so in terms of my
worst experience in the Senior Sunshine Tour by far, and
it's nothing to do with the quality of the golf
course or the the the club hos which is all beautiful,
(51:26):
all great, but sort of two years ago we played
in Lost City and the greens were about fourteen on
the steam meter. So basically I found myself in many
greens trying to see how the hell I could three puts.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
So my first put was.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Trying not to get outside the green, So it was
it was a very very, very very tough sort of experience,
and obviously it was mentally draining and very tough. But
nothing to do with the quality of the golf course,
which was great. The views were great, the club also
(52:08):
it's beautiful. Nothing to do with that. But if you
did ask me what was my worst experience, that that
was the one.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
And I mean, like like you said, it's not about
the quality of the halfway house or anything like that.
It's basically what you experience on that day, and it
will differ from passion to person. Same as you're seeing
the best golf course for you. Some people may say,
you know what, that was the worst because it's so tough.
(52:39):
But I get an idea that you enjoy the challenge
to actually get better and better after every single game.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Absolutely, that's the name of the game, Tony, no doubt
about that. It's every time that you step on teen
number one, you want to be to do better than
you did last time. Even if you want the tournament,
you have a tremendous round, but on the next day
when you go to tin number one, you want to
(53:08):
do something better. And obviously that's golf that's why golf
is such a huge learning experience for life, for my
profession that I know, Golf teach you about your strong points,
your weak points, and you need to in every day.
You need to play for your strong points and understand
(53:32):
what's your strategy. So golf many times teach you a
lot more than you actually sort of convey on the
first view. It's a very very sort of it's a
huge source of learning. It has been for me not
(53:53):
only that, but being a club captain for almost twenty
years and managing so many teams, so many talent amateurs.
You you understand how to see other people and mentally
when they are strong and when they're not strong. So it's, uh,
it's it's been a very uh, very profitable journey my
(54:19):
forty years of golf really.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
And I have to say, like, like I alluded elia
to the audience to say that, you know what, we
are going to engage with one of the encyclopedias of golf,
and we need to, we need to. We need to
celebrate people who have been in this spot, who have
played the spot on different levels, people who have played
(54:45):
the sport from different countries, because as I said, nothing
can substitute experience, regardless how good you are. But if
you've not walked the second route, no, nothing can actually
teach you except for those walk that road before.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Absolutely nothing can teach you to win unless you have
lost first. So losing is the only way, the only
teaching that can I I'm losing my words in English.
But in order to be able to win, you need
(55:24):
to be able to lose and understand with your losses
what needs to be done to become a winner.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
And that's the name of the game.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
And Tony, the point is even the top top guys,
if you see the amount of tournaments they play and
the percentage of tournaments they've won, it's unbelievable. The percentage
of the top top guys will be two or three
percent of the tournaments they've played.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
It's tough. It's a tough game.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
You don't win every day, and it's and uh, it's
it's tough, really tough.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Not that.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
No, one hundred percent. Now we are reaching well, we've
basically reached the end of today's episode. But before I
let you go, Antonio, really the Sunshine Senior twenty five,
I believe it has started. Now I want to find
out from you, what's the plan this year? Are we
(56:29):
taking the majors or what's happening?
Speaker 4 (56:34):
But the Senior Sunshine to twenty twenty five has already
started with the with the Q School, which happened at
the end of January at the Royal uh At the
moment they this the Senior Sunshine Tour, it's it's sort
(56:55):
of having an internal profitable discussion to see how we
can join efforts to increase the quality, increase the tournaments,
increase the price money of the Senior Sunshine Tour. It's
it's been a discussion which has been going on for
(57:17):
the last month or two and we'll will lend at
the beginning of March with the General agm and by
then we'll certainly have a very very an increased sort
of agenda, an increase a number of tournaments with more quality,
(57:38):
more price money. And the only thing I can tell
you for sure is that goal will still be on
the on the on the agenda and we will keep
on improving our tournaments.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
This year.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Once again the price money will be around one point
two one point five million runs, so forty top players
from the well thirty four thirty top players from the
Senior Shant Sunshine Tour and ten top players which will
be our guests from Europe. And this year we hope
(58:18):
to have one of two really really really big names
from Europe coming to play with us in Angola, and
we already have the confirmation that David Frost will be
with us in Angola. So the at the moment, we're
working out to prepare this year for the City Sunshine Tour.
(58:42):
I know that the board members and the players committee
are getting together to make sure that we do more
and better than we did last year.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Awesome stuff and I definitely wish you all the best
for this year. And I have to say I'm actually
going to be looking out to see your name in
the top three for every single tournament that you're participating
in Antonio.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, that that will be like reaching reaching the reaching
the stars, I hope. So really, Tony, really, my my
target this series obviously too, to enjoy myself and to
to be able to improve in every tournament, which I
believe it's it can be done. And uh yeah, if
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we reach the top three will be like reaching the stars.
But if you do, if you don't mind, if you do,
allow me just one minute and obviously people people heard
about Angola and at the moment we have we have
this offer to South African players which I want to
(59:52):
come and play with us in Angola, basically because we
are aware of the the very high prices of the
airfares two Angola. Basically, what we are offering for people
coming from South Africa to play with us is that
we offer the stay and golf during the weeks. So
(01:00:13):
if you want to come and play with us for
three or four days during the week, the accommodation and
the golf will be free. You only have to play
your airfare and your food and drinks while we're here.
And obviously in Manguis we have a few other things
to offer which are very appealing to South Africa. We
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are about a kilometer away from a top fishing lodge
where you can have a top fishing experience both in
the open sea and in the river. And we have
a very very special place. We have one hundred and
fifty two different species of birds, with five are endemic.
(01:00:57):
They only exist in Angola and in the exist in
our resort. So if people want to come and join
us for a couple of days of playing golf, I'm
sure we can offer a few other very interesting experience
for the people, which like the contact with the edge
with an age.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Wow, that's that's a huge of Antonio, and I hope
everyone is listen, ladies and gentlemen, whoever you are out there.
The name of the resort is man guys. Am I
saying it right, Antonio.
Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Absolutely, and I and g I as mang guys. Yes,
you can see it on the web. You can obviously.
If people want you, they can reach you, and you
have my contact. I'll be more than happy to help
people come and offer the accommodation and go for free
(01:01:53):
during the weekdays.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Awesome stuff. Once again, Antonio, I really have to say
thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your experiences,
your insights, your wisdom with us, and thank you once
again for joining us and gracing us with your presence.
As I said, this year, I'm looking forward to seeing
you in the top three. If it doesn't happen, I
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hope you enjoy every single game, even if you're playing
at the West coast that you've experienced. I hope that
this year to be different.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
No, no, for sure, thank you very much Tony for
the opportunity of sharing some of my golf experience and
hearing from you, and it's always a pleasure to talk
about golf, talk about experience.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
And once again, thank you very much for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Thank you once again, and you must have yourself a
lovely evening. I believe that this is the year of success.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Okay, we hope, so thank you very much, Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
All right, Antonio, thanks bye bye, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Buye.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
So, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. That is
our international guest Master, Antonio Loo. He is, like you said,
the CEO of Manguy is golf resort. And listen, ladies
and gentlemen, you heard the offer. All you have to
do is make sure that you make contact with the lodge.
If you're going too Angla. You only pay for your
(01:03:25):
flight tickets, you drinks, your food. They will sort you
out with the accommodation and some nice golf on the
number one result day is in Angola. That's weekdays. So
if you didn't get the details, you can contact us.
We will be delighted to help you because I believe
that every single person needs to experience golf in all
(01:03:49):
different parts of the world. And make sure that you
engage with more people and continue building the society. So,
ladies and gentlemen, we are at the end of our
slot today. That being said, I have to say, don't
say you've heard it from me. My weekend is starting today.
If you're going to work tomorrow and make sure that
you go refreshed and then you do your ultimate best
(01:04:12):
to perform Friday. Yeah, you can start contacting me so
that we can make plains, so that you can start
playing golf. So with that being said, ladies and gentlemen,
the Magician, the boy with a lot of flayers, the
classic man, I am Tony tone and I am signing out,
thank you, I love you. The Magician
In a world where fairways meet the airwaves, where Birdie's
and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. There's this Balls
and teas your passport to the golfing universe, where every
swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
(00:28):
into the world of diveds, drives and delightful.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Better right, ladies and gentlemen, it is the one and
only twenty two in the ball with a lot of like. Yes,
I am a classic man. As you already know, there's
(00:52):
only one magician when it comes to golf podcast, and
that is I myself. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, it is
a Wednesday evening, and I'm so excited to be here
because the last time I engaged with you was last
week Wednesday. And as you know, man, my weekend starts
on a Wednesday, and I told you do not inhibit
bad habits of saying we can also start on a
(01:13):
Wednesday because tomorrow are going to work. But nonetheless, ladies
and gentlemen, as you know, were obliged. You asked us
to actually carry the show abroad and to take it overseas,
and we did exactly that. Because tonight's episode we have
a guest from I won't say the place, but I
can tell you that he's from abroad, and we are
(01:34):
so excited to host this gentleman because he understands he
leaves golf. But ladies and gentlemen, before I even bring
in our guests, please, let's stick to the drill. And
our drill is very simple. Get yourself an ice cold
blast of water, juice, whatever you want to drink, because
(01:55):
it's about to get hot in Yere. Already it's hot
in Pretoria. I was anticipating some rain today, same as yesterday.
But yesterday rained, today I see no rain at Also,
I hope you guys are ready for this, because for
as much as the show is going to be heated,
you are going to learn a lot more about golf. So,
ladies and gentlemen, let's take that two minute break and
(02:17):
then after two minutes we come back. Then we progress
with the show. You will enjoy yourself. Go get the
glass of water, and then when we come back, as
you know, things are about to get heated.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
In a world where fairways meet the airwaves where birdiees
and Banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls,
and t's your passport to the golfing universe, where every
swing tells the story and every part has its punchline.
Get ready to step onto the large screens and dive
(02:55):
into the world of diveds, drives and delightful better.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The magician, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the only show
that metals. As as said, I hope you've got your refreshments,
because men, am I so happy? And you know what
makes me more excited is the fact that the gentlemen
that we have today actually has a name similar to mine.
(03:34):
So hopefully it's gonna be more fun than I actually anticipated.
So without any furtherer ado, ladies and gentlemen, please help
me in welcoming Masta Antonio, Louro, ray Tony.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right, good afternoon to all.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thank you very much for the invitation, and I'm sure
it's gonna be very good and long and eded conversation
with you.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Turning to.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Under present, TONI I just want to say, before anything else,
thank you, thank you, thank you so much because I
understand time. It's not your best friend. You're always on
the move, You're busy, and I just want to say
thank you for honoring this invite. Firstly and obviously to
your team and everyone around you who's allowed us an
(04:26):
opportunity to engage with you today. I just want to
say a big shout out to them. I try to
introduce you, but I don't think I did so much
justice to your name, Antonio, would you please reintroduce yourself
and just give the audience an idea of who you are,
what you do and yeah, just those kind of things.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Okay, good afternoon everybody. So my name Antonio Lord is
Antonio Lord, and I'm sixty five years old, a project
manager by trade sort of that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have been doing.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Projects all over the world and obviously along with that
sort of playing golf for the last forty years. Three
time Portuguese champion in two club championship, two times in
mid amateur, one time overall. And I was actually born
(05:25):
in Angolan many many years ago, and my first nationality
is actually Angoland. So it was a dream to come
back to Angolan and actually contribute for the growth of
the country. And I've been in Angola for the last
sixteen years and on the last five I was invited
(05:45):
to become the CEO of a golf resort in Angola,
just seven ti kilometers away from Loundon. So on these
last five years I've been involved with with the resort,
being even more involved with golf to the crazy point
(06:06):
of becoming a professional with sixty two years old. So
I've been playing the Senior Sunshine Tour in South Africa
for the last three years. So it was a crazy
decision but one which was important, one which was important
(06:28):
for me as a person and as a sportsman, because
it's actually that something which will keep me alive, will
keep me training every day, will keep me sort of
trying to improve every day, which is actually golf, all
about golf, and obviously it was a great opportunity to
(06:48):
join with one of the most powerful countries golf countries
in the world, which is South Africa, and obviously giving
us the opportunity of networking with important players, important sort
of decision makers in golf, which is absolutely vital for us.
Yet a goola, we are very a country which only
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has one golf course, which is actually the one I run,
and it's a nation which has no experience whatsoever in golf,
so it's a.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Big, big challenge.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And we'll learn in Africa that if you want to
go fast, you go along, if you want to go
far away, you go together. So the decision was get
together with South Africa with.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
All the all the knowledge and.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
The networking in South Africa and sort of try to
make something happen in both ways in golf and South Africa.
So I hope it was not a very long introduction.
That's pretty much what I am. But as far as
this is concerned, it's forty years of golf with many,
many roles both in Portugal and.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, hundred percent. Then I have to say thank you,
thank you for that in depth introduction. You've taken away
all the questions that I had. But I'll find something
to ask. But before we even get into the crux
(08:25):
of matters, Antonio, I just want to find out something
you mentioned that you only got into the pro second
three years ago, which is through the Sunshine Talk. Now,
my question would be, has it always been a dream
of yours to actually play professional or is it something
that you were, like, you know what, I've been playing
(08:45):
this sport for so long.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Let me just.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Continue enjoying it on a professional level.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well, you know, that's one of the things which we
all go for. Shared is always the challenge. We need
something to challenge us every day. And obviously, playing as
an amateur with sixty five years old, it would sort
of give me a few amateur tournaments and it was
(09:16):
really not sort of the sort of competition and the
challenge I was looking for. Obviously, playing with players like
a few important names like David Frost, Neville Clark, Andrew
McClard and Dog mcgig and Keith Horn so obviously puts
(09:37):
the challenge into a completely different level.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Obviously, by sharing the.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Golf course, is sharing the putting greens with this very
high level sort of players, it will give you a
different view of the golf and a different challenge altogether.
So I don't know if I made myself clear, but
obviously it was a decision because it's playing professionally even
(10:07):
at sixty two years old, was more the type of
challenge I was looking for than simply playing amateur tournaments
here and there, which are fine, but it was not
enough for me as a challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I fully understand that, and I think it actually makes sense,
because as a person, I believe that we thrive on challenges.
If we become too complacent, then we don't really get
fulfilled to say we have done what we actually wanted
to achieve. So thank you for the clarity. Now, if anything,
(10:47):
if anything I just want to find out from you, Antonio,
is that I mean you mentioned that you have played
in the amateur second for quite some time, and you've
got a few accolades from there. Now, when we look
at this professional aspect of golf or the professional space,
especially when it comes to tory, because I believe that
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once in a while tournaments will be held in different places,
how different is that compared to the amateur circuit. Do
you also taught the continent during those amateur matches or
are you only experiencing it now when you get into
the professional circuit.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Well, sort of touring as such, only nours that I'm
playing in the in the professional circuit, and I played
sort of amateur in Portugal for a long long time
and it was sort of a pretty much sort of
national competitions. I did play a few a few tournaments
(11:52):
as an amateur in the in the professional in the
professional circuits at my club I was club captain of Gutavus,
which was host of the European Tour events. During five
years in a row, we hosted as well sort of
a senior at the Legends Tour now the Legends Tour,
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but then the Senior Tour, the Ladies Ladies Tour, the
Challenge Tour. So we had quite a few events, professional
events at ower at my club then in Portugal, and
obviously as a Cup captain, I was invited to play
quite a few times on the professional tournaments as an amateur.
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But during these sort of amateur sort of years, I
was lucky enough to play like I played Shut Schwartzel
in one year. The next year he was played the
problem of the Portuguese Open with Shad Schwartzel and the
next year he won the Masters. So the next year
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I played with Martin Kahan and the next year he
won the Masters.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So I was lucky enough.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
To play to play with a few big names of
the professionals, and I was able as well to understand
a bit what was the professional and the touring. But
only now at sixty sixty two years old, I'm actually
sort of being part of that side of the golf game.
(13:26):
Which is a completely different side and as completely different pressures,
completely different challenges from the amateurs. You know, amateur is
pretty much like you defend your club. You want to
become a good player, but you don't have the pressure
of going from one tournament to the other and needed
(13:48):
to make money to pay your trip. And yeah, even
today with me, you go into the driving range and
just just in front of you you Ky Torn eating balls.
Behind you you have James Kingston and suddenly you realize
what the hell am I doing here. It's a big challenge,
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and it's even worse when it happens with you and
you have to make money to pay you on next trip.
So the professional circuit is extremely, extremely demanding these days,
no doubt, nothing compared with the amateurs. Although during these
last years the amateurs, with the world ranking and the
big sort of amateur tournaments is becoming actually the entrance
(14:36):
door for the professional circuit. So these boys are really
sort of getting the same sort of pressure, the same
sort of training, the same sort of challenge that most
of the professionals are living on a day to day.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And I mean, like you said, the landscape is totally
different between amateur golf and professional golf. I just want
to find out if you were to compare the intensity
of training or preparation between amateur circuit and the professional circuit,
what would you say has changed over the years that
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you've actually played in the professional circuit and what kind
of preparation do you actually do different to what you
used to do back then.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, Tony, really, the the industry and the the all
the the the ages that you have today on your
preparations from sort of everything, all the computers, all the
track mans, all the technology, all the software that you
(15:50):
put in your body and you check all the parts
of your body in the swing and everything else. The
evolution of that side of the game is been absolutely unbelievable.
And obviously with that, all the training is changed quite
a lot. So these days you see people sort of
(16:10):
training flexibility, training sort of muscles, and all the preparation
that goes into making a professional, top quality professional player
is a lot more complete than used to be in
my time. And basically, at my time we were barely
(16:32):
touching the psychological part of the game and the sort
of all of that, and today, Tony, that's part of
the game. I don't believe there is a top professional player.
And I'm sure that most of the top quality amateurs
(16:53):
that they don't have a team of physical training, psychological training,
sort of coach or swing coach, putting coach, whatever. It's
a big team, that's and the training is a lot
more detailed, a lot more sort of sophisticated, and used
(17:14):
to be in my time. When I started playing golf,
our idols were people like seven yen balles Teros, and
it was it was all about talent. It was all
about sort of the talent of the game. And you know,
you know, we both know these days that talent is
(17:35):
not enough. You need you need to put a lot
more so the long and the short is obviously the preparation,
the training, everything else today is absolutely different, a lot
more intents, a lot more demanding. And when I was
sort of a top amateur, you you used to train
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sort of two or three times a week, one or
two hours. Well, if you want to be a top
professional these days, that is the amount of hours you
need to put in one day.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Mm hmmm. You know, earlier I forgot to say, I've
got to mention that because you did mention that you
played with Charles Wattle and then he won the Masters,
and then you played with Kingston if I'm not mistaken,
and he also won the Masters.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Martin Kanner, Martin Kanner, I'm not too sure what was
the sequence, but it was two years in a row
and they both want the Masters.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yes, Martin Kanner, it.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Was Martin Kimer. Yeah, because I forgot to say, you
know what, I think they were very lucky to play
with you, because it seems that whoever played, if you
want the Masters. So if anyone out there who wants
to win the Masters, they need to schedule a game
with you.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, I'm always available on the Senior Sunshine Tour. We
always play with amateurs. It's always a pleasure to share
sort of the two days of golf with people which
are willing to come and experience a bit of these
forty years, a lot of a lot of stories, a
lot of experiences with amazing people, amazing people that it's
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there's still references of the game of golf disdays.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And I mean, as you mentioned, over forty years playing
the spot and majority of those years you said you
you were in the amateur second. Now I just want
to find out obviously playing in different countries that the
landscape is totally different. And you did make mention that
currently in Angola there's only one golf course, which is
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Mangay if I'm not mistaken and looking at the accessibility thereof,
and you were to compare it to South African accessibility
to golf courses, how how much more work do you
think still needs to take place within Angola for his
dance to make sure that get the landscape competes with
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some of the world's top countries when it comes to golf.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Well not maybe sort of defender basically our golf course.
As you know, we we we've been helding sort of
we have the senior Sunshine to coming to us. Uh
this this year will be the fourth time. So last
year the winner at our golf tournament, the Senior Manguy's
(20:34):
Senior Classic, was David Frost. And so David Frost when
he ended up ended the tournament, he was asked sort
of David, what's your opinion about the golf course? And
he told the new the guy from the radio and
the newspaper, he told them that if he was blindfolded
(20:57):
and brought on elicopter down to our gold of course,
he would believe that he was thought that he was
in Florida. So basically the our golf course has been
sort of rated very very highly by all the players
that have come to play with us. And I mentioned
(21:20):
David Frost, but I can mention James Kingston, he was
with us already.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Keithorne was the.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
First guy which won the first edition of the Mangui's
Senior Classic. We've got Doug mcgigan he won the second
one this year.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We had we had sort of Magnus Livy, which.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Is a Swedish guy with more than thirty years experiencing
the European Tour. We had Andrew Bozart, which is he
was born in South Africa but the Swiss and a
member of the Legends Legends Tour Committee. And we only
received sort of very very good sort of opinions about
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the golf course. Is a full championship golf course, extremely
demanding and it's a big challenge and it's basically.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Untouched.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Lens is nothing like we have in many many golf
courses in South Africa which are part of a development project.
So we've got a nice golf course, but it's it's
all over all over the golf course and obviously with
us it's nature, nature and nature, so it's a completely
(22:44):
different field. And once again it's if I can, if
I can try to make a similarity to South Africa,
the only place where you can actually find something like
the golf course we have in Angola.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's a wild coast, so you can you.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Can see the basically what we have here, the same
type of golf course, the same type of wind, the
same type of proximity, proximity to the sea. So it's
pretty much a wild coast golf course in Angola.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
That's lovely. That's lovely, and I believe our audience can't
even wait to I'm sure that some are already googly
and uh some can't even wait to come and play
at Manguy. I just want to find out from you,
like in secret playing at my guy uh as Antonio,
(23:43):
mm hmm, right, how how many times have you broken
that cost? How many times have you actually beat that course?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I broke that course about two times playing from the
from the back teas and not even from the back, back,
back back teas, because this is a seven thousand plus
golf course at sea level with fairways that the ball
doesn't run like some of the golf courses in.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
South Africa. So it's a very long, long golf course.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
For me with sixty five years old, I hit the
ball between two twenty and two forty meters and I
leave myself many times seven woods and five woods as
a second shot. So's it's not an easy golf course.
Obviously for somebody like Keithorn, which still plays on the
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Senior Sunshine Tour, is one of the top players of legend.
Thure eats the ball to seventy to eighteen, it's easier
for me. It's not an easy golf course. It's a
golf course which I'm very very happy when I go
round in Level Park.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And just.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
With of wisdom to young golfers like myself, if you
were to share something and reflecting on your early ages
as a golfer, to say, okay, how, how or what
would be the best way to approach the sport in general?
Is it more about how hard you heat or how
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far you hit, or is it more about how strong
you are mentally? Like you said that there's a huge
difference now between amateur and professional in the sense that
the mental acumen has been emphasized in the professional aspect.
So if you were to look at your young self
(25:46):
and maybe give a few tips to say, okay, right
now I'm in the professional league. In order for you
to actually continue enjoying golf and continue being the best
is what you do? What would you say are the
key that young golfers should actually look.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Into, well, Tony, Really, the basically, if you reduced the
golf the golf game, it's all about sort of eating fairways,
eating greens, and making putts and actually, believe it or not,
I believe the last one is by far the most important.
(26:24):
If you put well, and if you go and check
all the big big names in the golf the game
of golf, they were all in that time extremely extremely
good butters and I can tell you that I played,
as I said, I played with many professionals. I played
a few tournaments with top quality professionals and second level
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professionals and third level professionals, Tony, they all hit the
ball very far, They all hit the ball very well.
The difference is actually the short game and putting. If
you do that well, you'll become a great, a great
player golf player.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
So really, the.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
For me even today, it's the big, big challenges, go
round and put well, make twenty nine, twenty eight, thirty puts,
then you have an extremely good round of golf. Because
if you do that, obviously the pressure of your long game,
the pressure of your approach shots, it's less than when
(27:33):
you know that if I'm not going to make the
fairway and then if I have myself a long put,
I'm going to three pot or I'm going to miss
the pot, So the pressure for me starts building up
from the green backwards.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So if you're putting well, it's easier.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, well, I missed the green, but I can
chipen put or I went to the banker and I
can do a bunker shot and a put. So I
believe sixty percent of the game of golf today is
but you need to put well to become a very
very good golf player.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It's my opinion.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
One. No, no, no, that's I mean, as I said four
years plus in golf, I'd rather listen to all the
advice that I can get and note it down than
actually just going and approaching with my little experience that
I have in the spot.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
You know. But yeah, it's really, it has been and
it always will be. A putting is, but think is
a game within a game. We all say that, and
it's it's really what makes the difference. I was playing
(28:53):
sort of a couple of times in the City Sunshine
Tour and Bobby Lincoln he told me something which I
agree one hundred percent, and that's the difference. It's putting
is all about visualizing, visualizing and visualizing. If you see
the ball going in, you have a great, great, great,
(29:14):
great chance of the ball going in. So it's it's
something which people don't train. And I see our amateurs.
I will see many of our youngsters. They spend a
lot of time on the driving range, hitting drivers to
seventy to eighty, and don't even spend ten percent of
that time on the putting ring. And obviously, I don't
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believe that's the right combination to become a good golf
one er.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
All right, Antonio, we've reached the halfway mark of our show.
Can we quickly go for a two minute water break
and then when we get back show, we will be
going deeper and deeper into this conversation because I believe
we've your experience. There's so much that we can all learn,
(30:03):
even people who are already in the professional. Second who
are listening, they can still learn because I believe there's
nothing that can eliminate experience. Regardless how good you are.
If you don't have the experience or you haven't walked
the second path, the only thing that can teach you
would be from the horse's mouth, who has walked that path.
(30:24):
So if you don't mind, can we peoplely go for
that two minute break and then we'll get back into
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Sir, Okay, we'll do so. Thank you, Tom the.
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Speaker 2 (32:57):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are still here on
a Wednesday evening. Balls and is the only relevant podcast
when we talk about golf internationally, not just here in
South Africa. And as you already know, we are joined
by a Sunshine Senior top player who is from Angola
and this man has a lot of experience behind him
(33:20):
when it comes to golf. So we will be going
into a second segment and he'll be sharing a lot
more about his experiences and maybe share a couple of
tips to golfers who are interested in becoming professional, or
even if you just want to play social, there's a
few tips that can actually help you stand out amongst
(33:41):
the rest Antonio, Yes, yes, Tony, thank you, Thank you
so much for staying on the line. So we had
a beautiful conversation before the break. So now, as I said,
we are going to drill a bit deeper into what
we've been discussing. The one thing that I just want
to find out from you. I mean, you've seen all
(34:04):
the changes within golf over the years that you've played golf,
whether it be clubs, whether it be cost layouts, or
even all the developments and technologies around golf. Now I
just want to find out from you. Obviously you are
in the professional second, and as you said, it's intent
(34:24):
one needs to prepare physically, mentally and emotionally before every
single game. There is technological advancements in equipment. There's traking systems,
swing analysis and all those kind of things. Now, I
want to find out from you, as a professional golfer,
how often what impact do these things actually have in
(34:48):
your game overall?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But they do have quite a lot of quite a
lover of impact.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And starting for instance, on on putting. Today you have
you have equipments like blasts, which is a small equipment
which you add to the grip of your butter, which
gives you which gives you absolutely vital information. Putting is
(35:18):
all about the way you present the face of the
club to the ball at the moment of impact, and
half of the degree of closed and open can determine
that you're going to make the butt or miss the butter.
So that technology which helps you to understand your your swing,
(35:39):
put in your butter and how you present the face
of the butter to the ball. It's it's a massive
change from what.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It used to be.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
We used we used to to practice with aluminium rulers
a meter one meter aluminium rules, trying to to eat
the putts and the ball could not leave the aluminium rule.
Obviously that with training you the way that you presented
the face of the butter to the to the ball.
(36:12):
But with this new technology it is absolutely vital and
as you go, as you go to the full swing
with the tractments and all that technology it gives you,
it gives you vital information about what you need to
do with with your golf swing. But probably probably because
(36:35):
I'm I'm still an old school golfer. Obviously, all that
all that technology tells me all the swing is but
teaching swing, teaching golf for me or teaching a golf swing,
it's all about feelings. Because you can see everything you
(36:56):
want on this beautiful technologies and everything else. But as somebody,
when you try to tell somebody what to do to
correct the swing, it cannot be cannot be a piece
of software, It cannot be an informatic information.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It needs to be a feeling. You need to feel
that your.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Club is coming more inside, more up, your ends need
to be a little bit loser.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
So really, I believe that the real, real.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Important part of our today's teaching pros it is the
ability of bridging the technology with being able to transmit
the necessary feelings and sort of information so the golfers
can change the swing and improve. So I would say
(37:53):
that the technology is a huge step and it brings
you a lot of information, but really I still do
believe that people that want to improve golf they need
to go to teaching pros and being able to be
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with them once a month or once every two months
and being able to check the swing and see what's happening,
and that will improve a lot. Not only technology, because Tony,
I see these days because YouTube is a huge source
of swing tips. You see everything you see from Chinese
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guys swinging the club and teaching you or to sing
inside outside drives and jaws and fades and everything else.
That's all great, but you need to be with the
teaching pro. You needs to tell you, well, this is
basically what you need to do. Because one thing is
what you see in YouTube and you believe that what
(39:01):
you need in your swing, and so many times it's not.
It's not really not. You need somebody which is able
to look at you and say, well, this is basically
what you need.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And and just just to make
a follow up on that, two weeks ago, we had
a guest, Jason Rowe, who is one of the founding
members of the Golfers Club, and I asked him a
question to say, Okay, how how important is it to
actually get the right equipment or to go for fittings?
(39:36):
And can I just ask you this as a professional,
as someone who's seen the ups and downs within golf,
to say, okay, how valuable is it for you to
actually go for fittings if you want new clubs? And
how does it relate to you? As you said, when
it comes to things like a swing, it's more about
(39:57):
a feeling for you. Now when it comes to equipment,
obviously the weight will differ, the shaft will defer, the
club face will differ. So how imperative is it to
make sure that you've got the right clubs for you
so that you can actually play the right kind of golf.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Well, for me, it's fundamental.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's I go quite often to to South Africa to
to to have my equipment checked and do the fittings.
Anytime that I see that something is not correct, it's
obviously all my my clubs are checked and they are
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made exactly to my my specifications, and everything is checked
to the detail. And that detail is absolutely vital for
you to perform at very high level. So so for
professionals these days, Tony, it's it's a must. If you
really want to play your best, you need to go
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to a fitting. You need to understand exactly what's the
best equipment, what's the best specifications.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And that's vital.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Now as far as amateurs, let me tell you that obviously,
as far as amateurs, yes, from a certain point, from
a certain level of handicap onwards, it's also absolutely vital
that you see you go to do a fitting for
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many reasons. First, because the equipment we buy off the
shop sometimes is not exactly exactly the correct.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Specifications for you.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Sometimes the equipment itself, because it's mass production, is not
exactly exactly what it should be. So the combination of
and I'll tell you very very funny but very common thing.
You ever set of clubs and then you have one
club which you don't like, You.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Never eat that club, well never.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's the sixth islan that everything works perfectly well. When
I get to my six iron, it's not working well, Tony,
just get it to a fitting because probably the six
iron the specifications are wrong. There is something which is
not exactly the same as the other clubs. And that's
the reason why you cannot eat the six island. It's
nothing to do with your swing. So the long and
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the short is well tony. Absolutely fitting is fundamental if
you really want to improve your handicap. There is two
sorts of fitting which I'll recommend for everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
One is obviously the general.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Player, the general play like the irons and the drivers
and the woods.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
But one which many people don't even think about, it's
putting fitting. So as you know, there is proper equipment
you can be fitted. You can adjust a lot of
your butter. You can just the light angle, you can
just the length of your pattern, and I can tell
(43:17):
you that that can make a huge difference. That can
mean four or five shots in a round of golf.
So fitting by all means percent.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Thank you so much for that input, Antonio. Now you
spoke about the difference that patting can actually make. It
can actually determine whether you win or lose. With that
being said, I really really want to find out from you. Actually,
I've been dying to ask you this question since we
started the show, to say which one of the tos
(43:55):
you've played in what's your best and which was your West?
And why was one of the best? Well was one
the west? Could it be the fact that you want
Could it be the fact that the environment was incredible? What?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
What? What?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
What actually made the difference between the two the West
and the best that you've actually played?
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, the best was by far?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Warning the Media Amateur Championship in Portugal, just to give
you an idea, the last day you play, you play foursomes,
which is a terrible, terrible modality of playing golf.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
So as you know.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
It's it's alternate shots and alternate tease, so if you
miss your t shirt, your partner will be killing you.
So it's it's it's a big, big pressure. And obviously
we started the day, the last day, which was foursomes.
We started the day we were about eight shots behind
the the team which was leading and uh and playing fossoms.
(45:06):
Myself and my partner we played sort of level power
on a very very tough golf course and the other
team which played with us, also from our club, it
also played level part so we recover eight shots and
we won by by We won actually by five, so
(45:28):
actually they what was different I don't know the I
can tell you that the golf holl was looking a
lot bigger than usual because we were sort of reading
the lines, reading the greens and making puts from all
(45:48):
over the place, sort of eating tremendously good shots, recovering
very well.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
So you know, it's sometimes.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
They the best is this by many of us in golf,
like being in the zone. So you ended up not
having any swing tots and you don't have any keys,
and you just look at the target and you fire
a target and it goes and you make everything. So
(46:18):
that's the difference between the best and the worst is
when you get to the golf course full of doubts
and full of swing toots, and you forget about the target,
you forget about enjoying your game, and then every shot
is is a pain and it goes from worse to worse.
(46:42):
And obviously what I'm saying, I'm sure that many of
us today on this podcast, we know, we know this feeling. Unfortunately,
we know this feeling, and it's all about sort of
the mental game. The mental game can bring you to
your best, can take you to your worst, and you
(47:04):
really need to focus on sort of visualizing the shots
shooting at the target and the confidence will bring will
be raising and raising. And I don't know if I
did explain myself and try to convey the difference between
the best and the worst my best experience.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I had a few.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I won a few big sort of amateur tournaments. I
play the few finals of amateur tournaments the World Corporate
all of those. So I've been there and the ones
I've won that the common trace of all of those.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
It's on those.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Days you just look at the target and the bogos.
It's as easy as it can get.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Thank you for that explanation. And uh, to make a
follow up on that, I'm gonna put you on the
spot and more you're gonna put so it goes like this. Obviously,
you've been playing in the Senior Sunshine Toal, like you said,
(48:19):
for the past three years, you've played numerous courses here
in South Africa. Now, of all the courses that you've played,
if there's anyone that is in this Yes Sunshine Senior toll,
which one are you looking forward to playing this?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (48:42):
That's That's a that's a very easy question, Tony. Everybody
at a Senior Sunshine too knows that. For me, it'swood.
It's a Port Elizabeth I love, I love my My.
My golf course in Portugal was a Lynks golf course.
So I played sort of too many years on a
(49:03):
links on links golf course, and uh, it's the type
of golf which goes which goes with my style. Yeah,
I'm quite sort of comfortable with playing on a links
golf course. Oomud in Port Elizabeth is a beautiful golf course,
an old golf course, a really sort of proper links
(49:24):
golf course. And it's tough, but it's no, I don't know.
For me, it's very enjoyable, very very enjoyable. So I'm
always asking the people on the Syne At sun John
Tour when it's going to be Port Elizabeth.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'm there, m h.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
And then okay, obviously needs to be an opposite today
to say, Okay, which one has been your nemesis since
you started playing in the Sunshine Sia talk.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
But before I before I tell you that, uh, that one,
let me tell you that many many people in the
ask me, an Tony, what's the best golf course in
the world that you play that till today? And just
just for you to see how crazy I am. For me,
the best golf course in the world is card Nusti,
(50:19):
which is probably one of the toughest golf courses in
the world. So and so it's it's it's it's crazy,
but it's the style of golf I like and cart Nustias,
something which you also see in a couple of golf
courses in South Africa. For me, the quality of the
(50:43):
golf course, it's not only the quality of the course itself,
it's the quality of the club also. It's the quality
of the service, how you received, and the the ambience
and the when you get car Nusti, you like sort
of breeding golf every second from the time you step
(51:05):
out of the car. And so in terms of my
worst experience in the Senior Sunshine Tour by far, and
it's nothing to do with the quality of the golf
course or the the the club hos which is all beautiful,
(51:26):
all great, but sort of two years ago we played
in Lost City and the greens were about fourteen on
the steam meter. So basically I found myself in many
greens trying to see how the hell I could three puts.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
So my first put was.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Trying not to get outside the green, So it was
it was a very very, very very tough sort of experience,
and obviously it was mentally draining and very tough. But
nothing to do with the quality of the golf course,
which was great. The views were great, the club also
(52:08):
it's beautiful. Nothing to do with that. But if you
did ask me what was my worst experience, that that
was the one.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
And I mean, like like you said, it's not about
the quality of the halfway house or anything like that.
It's basically what you experience on that day, and it
will differ from passion to person. Same as you're seeing
the best golf course for you. Some people may say,
you know what, that was the worst because it's so tough.
(52:39):
But I get an idea that you enjoy the challenge
to actually get better and better after every single game.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Absolutely, that's the name of the game, Tony, no doubt
about that. It's every time that you step on teen
number one, you want to be to do better than
you did last time. Even if you want the tournament,
you have a tremendous round, but on the next day
when you go to tin number one, you want to
(53:08):
do something better. And obviously that's golf that's why golf
is such a huge learning experience for life, for my
profession that I know, Golf teach you about your strong points,
your weak points, and you need to in every day.
You need to play for your strong points and understand
(53:32):
what's your strategy. So golf many times teach you a
lot more than you actually sort of convey on the
first view. It's a very very sort of it's a
huge source of learning. It has been for me not
(53:53):
only that, but being a club captain for almost twenty
years and managing so many teams, so many talent amateurs.
You you understand how to see other people and mentally
when they are strong and when they're not strong. So it's, uh,
it's it's been a very uh, very profitable journey my
(54:19):
forty years of golf really.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
And I have to say, like, like I alluded elia
to the audience to say that, you know what, we
are going to engage with one of the encyclopedias of golf,
and we need to, we need to. We need to
celebrate people who have been in this spot, who have
played the spot on different levels, people who have played
(54:45):
the sport from different countries, because as I said, nothing
can substitute experience, regardless how good you are. But if
you've not walked the second route, no, nothing can actually
teach you except for those walk that road before.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Absolutely nothing can teach you to win unless you have
lost first. So losing is the only way, the only
teaching that can I I'm losing my words in English.
But in order to be able to win, you need
(55:24):
to be able to lose and understand with your losses
what needs to be done to become a winner.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
And that's the name of the game.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
And Tony, the point is even the top top guys,
if you see the amount of tournaments they play and
the percentage of tournaments they've won, it's unbelievable. The percentage
of the top top guys will be two or three
percent of the tournaments they've played.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
It's tough. It's a tough game.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
You don't win every day, and it's and uh, it's
it's tough, really tough.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Not that.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
No, one hundred percent. Now we are reaching well, we've
basically reached the end of today's episode. But before I
let you go, Antonio, really the Sunshine Senior twenty five,
I believe it has started. Now I want to find
out from you, what's the plan this year? Are we
(56:29):
taking the majors or what's happening?
Speaker 4 (56:34):
But the Senior Sunshine to twenty twenty five has already
started with the with the Q School, which happened at
the end of January at the Royal uh At the
moment they this the Senior Sunshine Tour, it's it's sort
(56:55):
of having an internal profitable discussion to see how we
can join efforts to increase the quality, increase the tournaments,
increase the price money of the Senior Sunshine Tour. It's
it's been a discussion which has been going on for
(57:17):
the last month or two and we'll will lend at
the beginning of March with the General agm and by
then we'll certainly have a very very an increased sort
of agenda, an increase a number of tournaments with more quality,
(57:38):
more price money. And the only thing I can tell
you for sure is that goal will still be on
the on the on the agenda and we will keep
on improving our tournaments.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
This year.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Once again the price money will be around one point
two one point five million runs, so forty top players
from the well thirty four thirty top players from the
Senior Shant Sunshine Tour and ten top players which will
be our guests from Europe. And this year we hope
(58:18):
to have one of two really really really big names
from Europe coming to play with us in Angola, and
we already have the confirmation that David Frost will be
with us in Angola. So the at the moment, we're
working out to prepare this year for the City Sunshine Tour.
(58:42):
I know that the board members and the players committee
are getting together to make sure that we do more
and better than we did last year.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Awesome stuff and I definitely wish you all the best
for this year. And I have to say I'm actually
going to be looking out to see your name in
the top three for every single tournament that you're participating
in Antonio.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
Well, that that will be like reaching reaching the reaching
the stars, I hope. So really, Tony, really, my my
target this series obviously too, to enjoy myself and to
to be able to improve in every tournament, which I
believe it's it can be done. And uh yeah, if
(59:32):
we reach the top three will be like reaching the stars.
But if you do, if you don't mind, if you do,
allow me just one minute and obviously people people heard
about Angola and at the moment we have we have
this offer to South African players which I want to
(59:52):
come and play with us in Angola, basically because we
are aware of the the very high prices of the
airfares two Angola. Basically, what we are offering for people
coming from South Africa to play with us is that
we offer the stay and golf during the weeks. So
(01:00:13):
if you want to come and play with us for
three or four days during the week, the accommodation and
the golf will be free. You only have to play
your airfare and your food and drinks while we're here.
And obviously in Manguis we have a few other things
to offer which are very appealing to South Africa. We
(01:00:36):
are about a kilometer away from a top fishing lodge
where you can have a top fishing experience both in
the open sea and in the river. And we have
a very very special place. We have one hundred and
fifty two different species of birds, with five are endemic.
(01:00:57):
They only exist in Angola and in the exist in
our resort. So if people want to come and join
us for a couple of days of playing golf, I'm
sure we can offer a few other very interesting experience
for the people, which like the contact with the edge
with an age.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Wow, that's that's a huge of Antonio, and I hope
everyone is listen, ladies and gentlemen, whoever you are out there.
The name of the resort is man guys. Am I
saying it right, Antonio.
Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Absolutely, and I and g I as mang guys. Yes,
you can see it on the web. You can obviously.
If people want you, they can reach you, and you
have my contact. I'll be more than happy to help
people come and offer the accommodation and go for free
(01:01:53):
during the weekdays.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Awesome stuff. Once again, Antonio, I really have to say
thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your experiences,
your insights, your wisdom with us, and thank you once
again for joining us and gracing us with your presence.
As I said, this year, I'm looking forward to seeing
you in the top three. If it doesn't happen, I
(01:02:17):
hope you enjoy every single game, even if you're playing
at the West coast that you've experienced. I hope that
this year to be different.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
No, no, for sure, thank you very much Tony for
the opportunity of sharing some of my golf experience and
hearing from you, and it's always a pleasure to talk
about golf, talk about experience.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
And once again, thank you very much for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Thank you once again, and you must have yourself a
lovely evening. I believe that this is the year of success.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Okay, we hope, so thank you very much, Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
All right, Antonio, thanks bye bye, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Buye.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
So, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it. That is
our international guest Master, Antonio Loo. He is, like you said,
the CEO of Manguy is golf resort. And listen, ladies
and gentlemen, you heard the offer. All you have to
do is make sure that you make contact with the lodge.
If you're going too Angla. You only pay for your
(01:03:25):
flight tickets, you drinks, your food. They will sort you
out with the accommodation and some nice golf on the
number one result day is in Angola. That's weekdays. So
if you didn't get the details, you can contact us.
We will be delighted to help you because I believe
that every single person needs to experience golf in all
(01:03:49):
different parts of the world. And make sure that you
engage with more people and continue building the society. So,
ladies and gentlemen, we are at the end of our
slot today. That being said, I have to say, don't
say you've heard it from me. My weekend is starting today.
If you're going to work tomorrow and make sure that
you go refreshed and then you do your ultimate best
(01:04:12):
to perform Friday. Yeah, you can start contacting me so
that we can make plains, so that you can start
playing golf. So with that being said, ladies and gentlemen,
the Magician, the boy with a lot of flayers, the
classic man, I am Tony tone and I am signing out,
thank you, I love you. The Magician
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