February 21, 2025 • 45 mins
Our duo pore over the Ireland teamsheet while a sunglassed Banana fills us in on the very real dangers of concussion in our beloved sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Bananas Robbie Pod.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome everybody to Banana Bear's Rogie Podcast. I'm doing it
proper this week. We're not just giggling in the darkness
like a couple of weirdos as we drow you into
the podcast. It's Tom here and Anna's slash Denna is
over the other side.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
There.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
She's Dan Sheehan today for obvious enough reasons, because Den
she had been named as as Ireland captain. And Hi,
how are you? You're all very welcome to the show.
I know, I know we skipped last week and I
can only apologize too as my voice will get more
and more disgusting in your ears as my cold. I'm
very sick, so I want everybody to feel very sorry
(00:41):
for me. But really I don't. I don't. It pales
in comparison. We didn't never fall out. I know people
are going geez that they have to fall out again,
which we never ever do. For Christ's sake, why would
it have to be so dramatic. We never fall out,
no matter how many times. And I will ring me
drunken from an after game pub while I'm trying to
(01:01):
drive over my gie. No, we didn't have a fun
on that we missed last week. Well, for one, it
was a fellow week and for two, and it was
feeling poorly in from rugby reasonings. She had a dose
of the rugby flu as as you will, which is
a very very serious thing. That's what you can pick
it up in any any type of context, board whatsoever.
(01:22):
But it was worrying. I was worried, how are you feeling?
Are you? Are you? You're not one hundred percent?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
No, still not one hundred percent, which is frustrating because
you start to feel better and you're like okay, and
you started you try to kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Do a bit more and and you just kind of
regress again. So it's a concaution basically, but stupid one
because I was just it was kind of mismanaged between
everything in between everyone, and it was actually a second
knock in two weeks, which has it's the worst concussion
(02:02):
I ever had. Like just ironic as well that I
only kind of announced, like I only put on my
Instagram there not long ago that I was going to retire.
And I know people who listened to the podcast knew
that I was going to retire, but I just kind
of started to make it a bit more official, I'm
sure fucking haven't played since because yeah, because it's the concussion.
So I missed the game last weekend, I'll miss this
(02:24):
weekend again. Very very slowly starting to feel a bit better,
but uh yeah, word to the wise, if if you
think that to have any sort of concussion, if you've
any inkling, just take yourself out, like I was worried
that people would think. So, just to kind of give
(02:46):
a quick rundown of what happened, we played against Perpignan
and it was actually my own teammates.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Me as that's what happened to me. The last big
concussion I got was a big heifer of a lad
front of prop. He was his knee. He should have
never been running ever, and his knee as I was
reaching on to pick the ball absolutely crucified me with
a new how did yours come about?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah? Well I was just I carried the ball and
was in the rock, and yeah, she's second row. She's
fucking gas woman. She's she's the type now who could
literally smoke instead of doing a warm, she could smoke
a fag and she'd still come on and fucking trample everyone.
You know, But it's funny because she actually ironically also
(03:36):
took the other number rings out of it in a
match a few weeks ago and gave her a concussion
as well. So we all agreed, like, look, if you
wanted a plate, like you could have just asked. But
she she she's a great teammate and just you know,
hard as nails. So took uh yeah, knee into the
(03:57):
into the head, and like, I was all right after that,
but I felt a little bit that usually for me,
everyone this is another important thing. Everyone responds differently to
to concussion.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Like That's what I was going to ask, is what
are we tore like the signs to look out for if.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I can't Yeah, no, you can't know what are you saying?
If you remember all?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I remember well, I mean I was violently ill about
it half an hour later, but I've then felt grand.
But then it came back in a wave then where
I just I was sitting down and everything was a
bit woozy. I was just off. I couldn't put put
my finger on it. Everything was just off.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And that's difficult as well, because it's hard to say, oh,
write it can cost because like I've been telling myself,
any you're fine, you're fine, and I'm clearly not fine.
That's a real battle that players that have with themselves,
like Jesus your grand Like it's only minor, it's only
a small thing, or do you know, it's so hard
to put your finger on it. But like the HIA
(05:03):
and all the protocols, like everyone responds differently to them,
and interestingly, like the Finn Russell Darcy Graham clash from
two weekends ago, and like it said afterwards, Finn Russell
actually passed the HIA, but they they still thought he
shouldn't go back on and people were kind of criticizing
him then in the comments like, oh, for God's sake,
if you pass the HIA, I honestly I've been you
(05:28):
can pass. I've I've passed the HI A while being concussed,
Like it doesn't, it can't. Everyone responds differently to concussion.
It's just so strange. Thankfully, I wasn't sick like you
were saying you got sick. Thankfully, I wasn't sick like that.
I haven't been emotional. I know that people can get
very very down. Thankfully I haven't been. But sorry, I
(05:52):
was only kind of halfway through the story. The stupid
thing for me was that I was getting dizzy spells,
like in the gym. I trained on the pitch ground,
even it was doing extra conditioning and everything. It was
in the gym where I was kind of holding my breath,
which is kind of normal, you'd get a bit dizzy
after holding your breath, but you know, like it was.
(06:12):
It was different to normal. It was different to usual.
And I noticed a little bit of a different, a
little like train away grand and then it came home
one night and my head was spinning after I got home,
and I was like, jeez, that's that's weird. But it
was just so slight that I didn't want to go
to the coaches and be like, look, i'll rule myself
out here. No one wants to ever do that as
(06:35):
a player, No one wants to do that. So if
I'm being really honest with myself, that's what I should
have done. But I was afraid of other people, you know, saying, oh,
and I doesn't want to play, or because it was
a friendly match against Belgium. We played a friendly against Belgium,
and I didn't want to be the one who took
himself out and not playing the friendly. So I took
(06:55):
the risk and it didn't pay off, got a got
a show into the head, and I've been it's definitely
the worst concussion I've ever had. And yeah, so stupid,
stupid me. But it's it's a very likely story. Like
rog players do it all the time. They don't want
to take themselves out of the game or rule themselves
(07:16):
out because because I passed all the tests, do you
know all the concussion tests didn't didn't didn't rule me out.
I had to do that myself. But that's a that's
just the way it is. That's the here we are now.
So if it's a if I can pass the message
on to anyone, if you think there's any sort of inkling,
(07:36):
you take yourself out, or if like if a physio
or doctor doesn't do it for you, you do it yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, what have you been? Like you're saying you're We
were messaging back and forth and it was like progressions.
If I listened back to the messages, there are progression
you know, you're progressing last week, like you're going, Man,
I'm in the dark here. I'm literally watching the sound
of music because there's there and tones throughout the movie.
What a movie to peack to just because it wasn't
(08:07):
that bright or whatever, and you're going to bed with
a migraine every night, Like I mean, that's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like it the I know. And i'd made progress, so
like she just feel great now and then like last week,
for example, I was feeling really good on the Friday,
so I went along to training just to watch and
to sit in on the team meeting, and then I
couldn't sleep that night. So against you. But you know,
you feel a bit of progression, so you try to
(08:36):
push it a little bit and then you regress against
So I have to I like the volume on here
listening to like very low, and I just need to
just take it easy, not get too excited about things
as I usually tend to do, but just poco like
I all I have to do is cook my meals
(08:57):
and then go out for a walk. Yes so, but
but that has actually got better. Like I literally I
couldn't chop a carrot last week and I was I
had to sit down.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You went for a sea swim and we were kind
of I was very intrigued when you said that it
was perishing cold, but it seemed to kind of alleviate
at least the migraine at night.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, someone said about ice bats that they help, and
I was like, well, I'll tell myself into the seas
because it's fucking freezing at the moment, obviously, but it's
nice as well. But I I'm wearing sunglasses here in
my living room, Like, but yeah, I don't know if
(09:43):
it's if it's because of the cold water or the walks,
or is it just progression anyway, but I'm starting to
feel a little bit better just getting out walking as
the only thing that doesn't that keeps me occupied, that
doesn't make me dizzy because everything else, Like I thought
a jig so it would be kind of an easy
thing to do. Can't do the jigsaw. Have been like
(10:04):
trying to like go out and buy a postcard and
write a postcard. Couldn't do that. Have to stop, might
have a little quick browse in a shop, but I
have to come outside again. But Daddy that it's getting better, slowly, slowly,
it's getting better.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Good, good, Well, we'll we will keep people a breast
and no doubt, as soon as people hear this, there
will be yeah, concerned, but look, it's no tough for
savage and listen, conductor, where kneepads just or something? Do
you know what I mean? If she's going to be
going around just absolutely launching people's heads into fucking orbit,
she isus Christ. Can we can we do something about that?
(10:42):
Can we put kneepads on her or something?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She has big nobl knees, like you know if if
if you picture some of the big nobilinees, that's that's her.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And I was like, I'm actually looking at I'm looking
at a drawing here, and I'll show I'll show you
at the very end. I'm looking at a drawing, several
drawings on the one napkin that my son decided he
loves drawn monsters, and they all tend to have big
gangly legs with big nobly needs. I think, I look
at that god silly here, and he has big our
(11:11):
legs and nobilinees on him. So I'm just saying, maybe
maybe she has a new nickname coming her way.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well her nickname, well, her nickname is Gaspar, but it
sounds like everyone's saying Gaspar, so why just call her gaspar?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Gas masters, gas bastards?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Gas So look, we won't we won't hang around too
much this evening because if you've sunglasses on in the
sitting room and we won't, we won't put your brain
under too much pressure. Good. Great, that that actually brings
me lots of excitement. It was the first thing that
because ask Jesus Christ, if it's too much pressure for
(11:52):
enoughering it, you're just turn it off. Look, and I
will tell me if if it's if it's too heavy.
But in all fairness, we do We're not dead. We're
not that deep diving rugby podcast. This is the most
rugby I think you've talked about in a long time.
Actually your concussion, yeah, we've not.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We've no. That's stats are pie charts with none of
that ship none that I have to say. So, did
today's turnsday? Did the our team come out today? Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
This morning at nine am bright nearly oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And straight away of course all the rugby pods are
are pulling it apart and dissecting and this and that
and the other, and all I could think of was like,
now this is a team that excites me?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? Yeah, why why?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What? What is it now that gets you going on
this one?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Because there's unknown Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there's youth like
Joe McCarthy who missed him now I'm excited to see
him coming back the new front row. God, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Thomas Clark?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes? Does he Is it his first start?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yes? I think it's definitely his first six Nations start anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, and like young new captain. I literally was like,
now this is something I can get behind. This is
what we were talking about last year when I was like, look,
if we lose a couple of matches with kind of
new new things to try out, it won't be too bad.
So fucking why not. I'm I'm I'm excited for them.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, I was in the same way I thought. I
was surprised Dan Sheeam was picked. I thought they would
go with Bundy or you know what I mean, a captain,
you know, or Tiger, even though Mahony just because it
was a captain. But I went, huh that makes sense. Yeah,
because he's a guy. He's a nailed on starter while
he's healthy. He's a hooker, which is always a great
(13:45):
position to have the captain. But it's it's a it's
a bloke that they can get behind, and I'd like,
I'd actually it'd be very It's interesting to see what
started Turbo puts in him, do you know what I mean?
Very very interesting. I was excited because we're like, yeah,
you need a fail safe captain when Keln Narris is
in a round because he's anutritional player, he's a man
(14:05):
that may get injured. So I was very very happy.
It made perfect sense. It wasn't like, what do you know?
It wasn't up for debate in my head, much as
was it up for debate that some Brenda Gas should
start and Jack Crowdly get no game time. You know,
it's I'm up. What I would say is I'm happy
(14:26):
enough with Brenda Gas at the minute. I'm like, okay,
well he needs a run run. But if they're going
rotat and then being interesting, they left the wings the
very same and I'm like, there's there's a there's more wingers.
You could have tried there, now, you know what I mean?
You don't need to run. That was where the one
spot I thought you could have. I would have dropped
(14:47):
nearly boat wingers off. Just let let him have a
weekend a weekend off. And just because we know what
Mackenson can do, we know what James low can do.
Let's have a look at I don't know, is it
does Jimmy O'Brian play on the wing see round? I
don't know, but you know what I mean, let's have
a look at somebody else on the wings, just out
(15:08):
of interest, maybe let's have a look at, you know,
a different center, just one different center than the three
we've been using forever, like it just just just to
change it up, like if we're going, if we're going
to rotating everywhere. I get like, I know there was
the whole Yeah, Crowdy needs it. For Crowley, he does
(15:28):
and he doesn't in that he's had two six nations,
you know what I mean, he's gone to a World
Cup piece. We know he can do it. And I
hope that that's the way they're looking at it. Sounds
like that's the way they're looking at it. Like no,
to have two all firing, all things, all that and
tens is the way to go. And right now Prendergast
does not have that body of a muscle put under him,
(15:49):
like he doesn't have that body of work done. So
he needs it and he needs to go and play
against Wales because that's the like I was at first
I was, Oh, I feel bad for Jack, and I do.
But Jack has that all in the bank. There's no
two ways he wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be on
the bench if he didn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But I actually I was I'm disappointed for him because
I feel I agree with everything you said there now,
like giving Sam run and we know that the proof
is in the pudding. Like for Jack Crowley, we know
what he's about, but we're also like cutting down on
his game time. Number one test game time, which you
(16:35):
know is is where players mature. And I know it
would be great to have the two and we've said
that before, like imagine having two world class you know, tens,
but like you have to mature as well. Like it's
like it's like a wine which refer to cheap wines
or the middle wines or two you know, an expensive
(16:55):
line is. So it's hard to what what what in
tru me is internally Is it being managed well? Because
if I was Jack Crowley and they're telling me like, look,
you had your chance last year. This is Sam Berna's
chance now, I'd feel like, you know, they're saying they
want to, but I'd feel like they were facilitating the
(17:18):
other ten to allow him surpass me because I've already
proved myself. Why don't you just keep me there and
keep him in my shadow until I'm like That's how
I would feel. I would feel like you're giving them
more more chances than me because you actually want them
to play.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's true, and to be fair, I can't no, I agree.
The thing is in a conversely, the way you agree
with me, I agree with you too. And all I'm
trying to do is not play Devil's advocate because it
kills me that that Jack Crowley isn't playing I think
all round right now, he's a more superior player because
he has a defense, a savage defense. But I'm trying to, again,
(18:02):
not play Devil's advocate. I'm trying to nearly explain to
myself more than anyone else why they've started Sam Brenda guess.
And that's the only way I can come to reason
with it is go, well, yeah, I guess they want
to give him the full run. But you're one hundred
percent right it would have been well. I was not
flabbergasted is a bit of a strong word, but I
(18:25):
was a bit taken aback when I saw him Jesus Christ, Like,
the kid's got his, he's got his, He's got his
time in the saddle, do you know what I mean?
He also needs to learn what being fucking dropped his too,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like, but also I think everyone was surprised, like you're
saying now, because I think everyone is expecting to change
around to come because Wales are doing so shy at
the moment. This is your this is your match because
like in the Six Nations it used to be only
or it used to be Scotland and Italy that you
could like do the turnaround, which you can't do that
against Scotland. So given where Wales are at, that's where
(18:59):
you do. So, Like I think I was expecting the
char I was expecting the rotation, like I think most
people were. But again, the point that you've made about
the back three and the center is like the rest
of the back line like absolutely, like why didn't they
change that around, Like especially Mackanson's been hobbling on and off.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you're gonna free played like that against Scotland.
I mean, what's that telling you? Like, if you're Calvin Nash,
you're going I don't know if you should about Mack Canson.
I'm kind of a Nash and I played a blinder
and scored a dry against Gotland and you're gonna blame me.
You're gonna drop me for a guy who's hobbling around
the place.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like what was said to him, like, yeah, you're grand there, Kelvin.
You look Max Back so you know it's story right,
you know Max Back? So how do you go? Kid?
Like it is a slap in the chops. I mean,
good to see Jamie Osborne getting the crack at full back,
but like I do think Mac could have been stood
(19:59):
down for Calvin Ash been in and also Low being
stood down too, and look for another winger. You know
what I mean to put in there?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's giving me a World Cup? Hebgb's like when we
wouldn't I wouldn't fucking change the team against Tonga and
then we couldn't even get up off the ground in
the fucking quarter final, Like it's just stupid. You take
your chances to rotate when it comes and sorry, it's
funny going back to like whatever ten minutes ago. And
I was like, this is like this excites me. I
(20:27):
obviously only listened to the first half of the team.
I didn't bother listen.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
To the rest of the Well, clearly you can guess
what what what side of the of the kind I
played when I was playing, and what side Anna favors.
Clearly I will only look at the forwards, thank you
very much. From one to eight, who else is the Oh,
no interest in that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But I had this conversation before I actually think, oh, no,
I can't remember, but someone who used to play loose Head,
hang on which night is the loser?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, so Newsfuley loose Prop. And we were saying, like
we were trying to discuss who was on the team,
like the team had just been announced. It like you
have to obviously go and like say sorry to the
girls that aren't playing, or congratulate the ones that are,
and like we were saying, like it's hard to remember
all the names. She was like, yeah, like usually you
(21:32):
just start stop listening after you hear your own nick
just number one.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That is such a props thing today, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you hear Gordon Darcy discussing this week about like
Peter Manny being like the last of the characters.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, I suppose from his point of view, he's looking
at us a character.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I just thought it was the base load of shiit
sor you're talking about fellas that you know personally. I'm sorry,
But what about mack Hanson James Low, Like do not
know that mack Hanson won Banana and Bear's Rug Player
of the Year. Like there's fucking Craig Casey, Like I
(22:20):
understand he's taking to kind of like hard hard boys,
kind of old school, but also there's plenty more than
what about Tyke Furlong like Andrew Porter, Like there's loads
of characters. I think it's it's just funny coming from him,
and like the kind of the leinster schoolboy image, like
you don't find many characters there, Like I feel like
(22:43):
that's where the lack of character comes from, like the
leinster schools boy thing. But he was a leinster schools boy,
so like, surely he understands this.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, the problem here, I think it was it was
as well. Sometimes I think fellas, you know, they can
take themselves very seriously, like he was, well, I am
you know, the I'm the deciding vote when it comes
to this, this decision that Petermanny is the last of
the characters here like Joe McCarty has a mullet. What
are you talking about? Like there are there are I
(23:15):
mean Doris and himself is a very affable character. Like
there's I mean the day of lads going around booting
you into the face, like you know, Peter Classy. Yeah,
that's gone, you know what I mean. Like, but you've
met Canson, you know, walking around his underpants do you know,
shown off tattoos of his coach on his arse or
wherever you got it, like you know, so there's definitely,
(23:36):
like to use the phrase character, I guess I know
what he's I think I know what he was trying
to say was that there was he's the last of
the the last enforcer. And I think we talked about
this before too a couple of weeks back. We're kind
of going who in the entire like they're all great players,
really well drilled, but if we get into those crunch moments,
(23:59):
which we have it or cups like who can you
who is who will can walk on? And everybody's game
comes up ten percent? Do you know that I'm not
saying that mcclway or Trevor Brennan. It has to be
that kind of style of a person like, but I
kind of think that that's what he meant. But he
was voicing it very badly, do you know what I mean?
(24:22):
He was kind of putting it out there, like, you know, man,
he's out there, you know, you know, making fucking animal balloons,
like you know, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What he's I don't think he was getting at he
was because he's then he told a story about Oh no, sorry,
Maybe you're right because the story he told was about
Shane Byrne telling him like, don't call me by my nickname.
It was actually quite a funny story, So maybe maybe
you're right, daddy, is what he was getting at. I
(24:50):
kind of more understood it as like someone who just
kind of goes against the green a little bit, which yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I kind of lose my my putting
on that one. But I just when I listen to it,
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
To be honest, to be fair, there's one of a
few like he was on there selling books, you know,
with Paul Paul Howard, Like I mean, it's it's all
well and good, but like when a fellow's on selling books,
you're like, all right, fair enough, you know, one of
the few that seems to make a novel lot of
sense on is it off the ball? Is Andy done?
(25:29):
He seems to make a lot of sense. He takes
a long time to speak, but he seems to be
quite clear and concise like the rest, and there tends
to be a bit of let's see if we can
make some drama out of this moment, okay, Jesus Christ,
as you all strangely descend into something that awkwards, the
look is very strange. But I'm not saying we don't
(25:49):
put our lookout there novel, but we've maintained what we
looked like when we started this podcast. But whatever's going
on with that podcast, they all seem to be descending
into something from Harry Potter. Each one of them seems
to be turning into a new character. What's his name
with the long area like his hair is get He's
turned into Medie Moody.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Mood Yeah, stress from reporting on sport for the lads.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I suppose Jesus Christ crimea river like there are rougher
jobs out there, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
They seem to like good work of it anyway, But
like I'd say, they're just like the whole Getting on
the Chase and the Sun documentary was just the highlight
of them. Like so I feel like that's they're trying
to do all the time, is like turn up in
like teams, meeting rooms and everyone else with their with
(26:49):
their predictions or turning people apart or dissecting things. But
that's their job to.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Give them their dude, that that is their job. Yes,
and I mean they you know, and it works because
they have everybody raging. The telegraph is a rage and
everybody's raiding because they in all fairs. It was some
ship house eary last week when they're like what the
twelve man Ireland beat Wales?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Oh jesus, yeah, Like that's fair ignorant, that's fairy injured
to come out with that, Like what how long will
we go?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Ten men with ten men.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The ball? Is that why everyone hates?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's why it's because of off the ball, nothing else.
It's not it's not a reflection of the players at all.
Like I mean, okay, you know James Lowd does ship
house people on the pitch like it gives the world
of grief Like but and yes, Petermanny did have that
famous line Whige to give to give a small bit
to Gordon Darcy, to give him a small bit. When
(27:53):
you cut back to that line with Peter, he turned
to Sam Kin with you're a ship. Rigim McCall, Oh yeah,
that was rough.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
That was Rough'll say, well, no one's listening to our
podcast to get them riled up except for Manny Lebarc.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, many libboc will. Look, it'll come to
a showdown someday where it'll just be you and me
walking down the streets and then like that standoff music
from the Westerns and Libok would be at the other
end of the street like those two Bostards. Sure. Look,
the game is on at the weekend. It looks like
they're at a ludicrous odds, which I think is a
(28:30):
bit it's a bit saucy given that Gatland has has
headed off and every team tends to have a bit
of a spicy patch, do you know what I mean?
Like backs against them all, it still wails in the
principality like it's still going a game will still have
to be played, like so it'll be you know, I
don't think it's at sixty six to one anyway. I
don't think it's or whatever ludicrous ads that were given
(28:54):
against for the Arland win. But yeah, it looks like
it should be an arn win. But I may mentioned
about the Richie mccauline, which is a nice little segue
into what I pictured that I said you yesterday that
Ireland it's back on. The rematch is back on. We're
(29:14):
going back to Chicago. November first, eight, ten Irish time,
Ireland are playing New Zealand again in Soldier Field ten am,
no eight ten pm.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh what is the match over there?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Three o'clock? Oh yeah twice. Yeah, so they're on. They're
on the East Coast, aren't they. Cole bastard of a place,
and they'll be yeah a ten I think eight, yeah,
ten past eight, and I think it is that night.
The Hill Comedy Club is the most beyond that night.
I may have to move to Friday because the Friday,
(29:52):
the Friday night before, because I don't see I know
the to be a great for or to go and
watch that, but that you know, that should be spicy.
What kind of picked in my head? I see, I'm
very narrow vision. I had no idea that the World
Cup is going to be there in thirty the two
World Cups are going to be there in is it
thirty three and thirty five? That makes sense, that'd be great.
(30:13):
I had no idea was going there, didn't even didn't
even look beyond it. And that's how shite of media
rugby media I am is that I don't norves even
into the the next world up afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, I'm interested in that anyway. It doesn't matter where
it is because I remember, just.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You'll be there. That's why you'll be there without with
belts on. You will absolutely be there. Like there's no
two ways. But that's why you care. You're like, who
do I know over there now? In Chicago A bit
I've played.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
There, But I this is actually something I wanted to
rent about what we would write about it today because
I'm going to like recover to do this rent?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh right, pin that people, we have a rent. We
are due a rant.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh yeah, it's about the USA because number one politics
and the USA I can't I cannot cope.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Number two it's hilarious. It it trust me amazing fortality.
It's one of the best things ever.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
But I I obviously a coach in the States and
like that's where like there's loads there's going to be
loads more coaching opportunities there like it is somewhere like
I definitely love to go and work like as a
coach because obviously now when I was strom playing, I'm
going to go full time into coaching, and there's going
(31:34):
there's opportunities in the States. And then they're fucking and
we don't have to talk about this now, and sorry
for cursing, but they're basically getting rid of the scrum
in the MLR, and I I have no time for
no this. This is all going to be part of
my rent now because I honestly don't have the energy.
(31:55):
But I read it the other day they're cutting down
so for a knock on, it's going to be a
free kick. Basically, for all of the scrum scenarios or
things that lead to a scrum, it's going to be
a free kick instead. And it's to make it more entertaining.
Even though I look it up, the time in play
(32:17):
the ball in playtime for American fucking football for a
game that lasts three and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Is do you want to guess?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do you know three and a half hours long? Watch
you work in the play time.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
An hour and twenty No, Okay, it's so it's something
ridiculous by your your witchy cackle that you just did
there forty.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Two, it is eleven minutes here.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I was at a football match once and I got
blind drunk out of boredom. Honestly, everybody else is hooping
and holler and I'm like, how are you keeping your
energy up? There is nothing happening, and I almost passed
that with the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So they think they can make rugby more entertaining. Clearly
not an issue, and clearly nobody is fucking watching the
game anyway, because anyway, sorry, this is actually starting to
make my head spin. But on top of that, so
that the the World Cup is gonna is coming there,
(33:28):
both World Cups are and like it's obviously growing, and
you've got a loan of mar and you've got the
MLR and and all these things. But they're trying to
get rid of the scrum. And I'm sorry now, but
like the reason we love rugby is because of how
inclusive it is. And if you get rid of that,
you get rid of like I'm so like grateful to
(33:49):
be able to represent a sport and like walk into
a classroom of young girls and say to them like
there's a position on the pitch for every single one
of you. I don't ever want it to come to
the stage where like, okay, position for everyone except for
the big girls, but like the big players being like
the key to rugby is what makes rugby the best
(34:12):
fucking sport in the world. If you ask me, so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What what sport does it become if the scrumb is gone?
Is it rugby league? Some bastardized versus exactly?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
But this is what this is what Americans do.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But sure it's not like, how are there any like
if they're national player, Like if they have a national team,
which they do have a national team, and any of
our players play in d MLR, how are they going
to survive the World Cup? Are playing Ireland when it
comes to scrum time. If they have absolutely no idea
what's happening, They're gonna get eaten. They're going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Trying to make it like as if this is like
the product to you know, to sell. But like I mean,
I don't know anyway. It was just another thing that
came up, like recently, I literally all this American stuff
(35:04):
coming up, Like I don't want to hear about American
politics now all this American rugby is coming up, we
can't avoy, Like as a rugby fan, you're we're not
gonna be able to avoid America for a long time.
So not that I want to either, Like it's where
i'd like to I'd like to work there, like as
a coach, but between the politics and rugby and the
politics that are real politics, I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Know, you would be grand just cut a cut yourself,
a month of drive a pickup truck and you'd be
the finest. You make a part, but you could, you know,
I'd find it, Like how good would it be? Like
if you're doing like bootlegs crumb training down alleyways like markets, Yeah,
black Market's grown, and people are like, hey, hey yeah,
(35:46):
just looking around all shifty. Good you've got you got
anywhere for a second role, because just just just say
the words into my ear doutch Oh my god, Jesus, yes, yeah,
I know I'm going for some reason. Do you know
what I just before we came on, I'd watched you know,
(36:09):
he's Bomber. He's one of the curly hair fellows. He
was a proper Whales three years and I was just
watching him test his scrummage and the ability Adam Jones,
and they did. He goes, I can't, you're doing this
touch No, I can't and they went, oh, sorry, we'll
do the old version for you because he was tested
on a scrummaging machine, so they had to do touch
I find engage. But so yeah, I was just watching
(36:31):
that just beforehand. Did you before we wrap up? Did
you buy any chance come across the Monster match at
the weekend?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I watched I think, oh I watched it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You didn't get to see that from the art point
of view?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Was hilarious?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
He was.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
He was absolutely incandescent like he was. The first half
was so bad. He was like, I'd say, and this
is no joke now, and he's looking down the lens
of the camera like he's going, that's the worst game
of rugby I've ever seen. He is, I'm not cutting.
He says. We go to the go pick a handful
(37:14):
of lads out of the a l They'll play better
than that, he says. Tomorrow, go and watch your local
ail match or next weekend, and you'll see a better
game of rugby than what we're watching there. Four self
and somebody want have piped in the feed into the
dress because Monster came out all guns blazing. Pas scored
like five tries or something, but it was it was
(37:35):
so dramatic. Do you know he's not there going no, no,
I'd say that's the worst game of rugby ever.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It's that I had it on here and all I
had the volume down because I wasn't actually listening to
the to the the thing to try and to try
and keep stimulation low. But I missed that. That's that's brilliant,
like fair plazing.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
To be fair, the stimulation was for can load watching
the match, I can tell you it was. It was
absolutely cat belosion. That first half was like now fair.
There was a couple of players like Gavin Coombs seemed
to be plugged in like he was. He was in
tune throughout the match, but it was like Jesus Mary,
just what is happening here? Like it was. That wasn't
(38:18):
the worst game of rugby that ever, but it was
good to see Donacle kind of absolutely rinsome on live
on television. Goal you know, right to be aware of
a jersey light. I'm looking at this here, know, and
that is the worst game of rugby I can categorically
say that I've ever seen, and Jackman was besides nearly
just gonna bite the zip going.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's not easy, I feel like as a former player,
and especially with his character, like I'm sure he knows
a lot of those players, like sir Payton for just
calling as calling it as it is, like from his
point of view and not kind of be like trying
to fluff around them, because that's hard you could get,
you know, trying to stay on their side there, trying
to still like fucking fair play Tim for calling that out.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
It was great, it was great, and then come the
second half, then they were, you know, at the post
match whatever it was like, well, they obviously listened, you know,
but he wasn't making light of that either, because listen,
I that first half was so unacceptable. I understand that
they've been down a few weeks and they're like, oh,
it's only the cards or whatever, but like the lever
of professionalism, if you can't turn it on from the
(39:24):
world go and as a paid professional, then it's not
good enough. Like he was right in the second half,
they must have gotten a fair all dressing down. I'd
imagine the dressing room because when they came out suddenly
they knew how to play rugby again. It was just
it was more so for the comments that if you
can find it at some stage on YouTube, I'll go
looking for it the seeking and find it because it's
(39:44):
just so funny, just how pissed off he is. But
it's such an over the top dramatic statement. The worst
game of rugby like Azerbaijan could be playing, could have
been playing. It could be played like Canada and drop
the balls all over the place in the Pisson's raid,
(40:05):
and it was still a better match that he was
watching that night.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I actually, when you're talking about Azerbaijan and Canada, there
something I was looking at I came across during the week.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Is don't tell me you're off to play rugby.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But the teams that are yet to qualify for the
next World Cup, it is actually class. And I was singing,
this is like, I'm gonna save this now for when
it's maybe not six Nations time or we have a
bit more. But the rugby, the European Rugby Championships, i e.
The last few places are up for grabs now over
(40:39):
the next few months, and it's all teams like a
load of teams that have never been to a World
Cup before, like the the when I was saying, like
the Belgium girls were here for a practice match day,
threw on the Belgium men's game after they were playing,
and one of the qualifiers, like so there's it's just
it's gonna be so interesting. I don't have the teams
(41:00):
here now, but like literally teams from all over the
world that you've never even heard of playing rugby, Like
they're going to be at the World Cup. It's going
to be class well. Spain qualified finally.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, yeah, dodgy dealings the last time or whatever, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
There was? And then I read today that a Spanish
player had to retire because he signed a contract basically
saying that he could only play one match for Spain
in the in the year and then he has to
go back to his club. Apparently it's such as a
total ship show there in Spain that like the clubs
(41:38):
won't release players to go and play in the World Cup.
So shit show. So you're talking about dodgy dealings like
it's still obviously going on because they're just since players
retiring before they go to the World.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Cup, Like yeah, there was talks of the fact that
Georgia are really coming good at the minute. Yeah, well
there was talks that they're coming so good now that
they've actually got above whales in the world rankings. That's
where they're at.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, they probably beat whales.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I'd say, Well, they have some big humans, as I
think Graham Rowntree described him after he was coaching, with
a lot of square men, very square, just square corners
on them nails.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Remember I played in a beach tournament in Tbilisi in Georgia,
and the fellow that was commentating like ran down into
the middle of the pitch, into the middle of a fight,
like while still commentating. You had the microphone on one
eyes beating people off, like, and they were all fucking monitors. Like,
so there's definitely no like question of getting up for
(42:48):
a match for them. They're fucking yeah, tough as nails.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
As one way of putting it, brilliant, Well, look at
I want you to go and rest your brain. I
have purchased you a packet of candy kittens, and I
I said, I put them in the office. They're safe
because right now, as I told you, if they're in
the character getting eaten it's it's but they are tremendous.
(43:13):
They're so so sour, but only for a few seconds
it's gone. Then it's very strange. But they're apparently vegan
friendly and apparently some celebrity for the off one of
those reality shows. I'm only way is Chelsea or one
of them. He made the company, which kind of puts
me off of a small bit. But they're in ality
at a very good price, and they're called candy kittens
(43:33):
and they're looking delicious. So I have a pack for you, right,
You got.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
To send them over with someone to the Monster Mass.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yes, it would anybody if anybody's traveling over, because I
know I'm gigging. That was when I was when you
messed with me that time, and of course i'm of
course i'm gigan. That'd be great if somebody would bring
them over for me rather than actually posting them. Way
way cooler if somebody brought him over. So anybody is
going into the match, we will Actually, if we don't
get anybody back, we'll we'll we'll tweet it for the
(44:05):
candy gettings to be brought over the en so you
put on another set of some glasses or even just
close your eyes because eyelids are pretty good.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yes, feel better. Put some peas in your head, and
if you do feel like jumping in the sea again,
please do to whatever whatever gets you back on track.
Just saying, just saying, I found Yes, maybe some soft
folk rock in the background might help. Just say, Dad
(44:39):
McCabe is a lovely He was in the I had
a headache couple of weeks ago. Put him on headache
right away. Just it was a nice kind of softy stuff.
The only thing is about you is you'd pull out
the ukulele and start singing along with all your heart,
like you just throw yourself into like Christy Moore, like
for a fox. Right.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I brought my ukulele home to Mallow the last day
and I never brought it back on me.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Some people would be happy about that scenario. Some people
aren't being uculated. But I know you're very You're probably
very sad about it. But look at you get better,
And let's watch loads of ruggers over the weekend, and
I'll catch you again next week. Right, you mind the rucks,
Mind the rocks
Speaker 1 (45:23):
The Banana and Bears, Rubbie Pod
It's the Bananas Robbie Pod.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome everybody to Banana Bear's Rogie Podcast. I'm doing it
proper this week. We're not just giggling in the darkness
like a couple of weirdos as we drow you into
the podcast. It's Tom here and Anna's slash Denna is
over the other side.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
There.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
She's Dan Sheehan today for obvious enough reasons, because Den
she had been named as as Ireland captain. And Hi,
how are you? You're all very welcome to the show.
I know, I know we skipped last week and I
can only apologize too as my voice will get more
and more disgusting in your ears as my cold. I'm
very sick, so I want everybody to feel very sorry
(00:41):
for me. But really I don't. I don't. It pales
in comparison. We didn't never fall out. I know people
are going geez that they have to fall out again,
which we never ever do. For Christ's sake, why would
it have to be so dramatic. We never fall out,
no matter how many times. And I will ring me
drunken from an after game pub while I'm trying to
(01:01):
drive over my gie. No, we didn't have a fun
on that we missed last week. Well, for one, it
was a fellow week and for two, and it was
feeling poorly in from rugby reasonings. She had a dose
of the rugby flu as as you will, which is
a very very serious thing. That's what you can pick
it up in any any type of context, board whatsoever.
(01:22):
But it was worrying. I was worried, how are you feeling?
Are you? Are you? You're not one hundred percent?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
No, still not one hundred percent, which is frustrating because
you start to feel better and you're like okay, and
you started you try to kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Do a bit more and and you just kind of
regress again. So it's a concaution basically, but stupid one
because I was just it was kind of mismanaged between
everything in between everyone, and it was actually a second
knock in two weeks, which has it's the worst concussion
(02:02):
I ever had. Like just ironic as well that I
only kind of announced, like I only put on my
Instagram there not long ago that I was going to retire.
And I know people who listened to the podcast knew
that I was going to retire, but I just kind
of started to make it a bit more official, I'm
sure fucking haven't played since because yeah, because it's the concussion.
So I missed the game last weekend, I'll miss this
(02:24):
weekend again. Very very slowly starting to feel a bit better,
but uh yeah, word to the wise, if if you
think that to have any sort of concussion, if you've
any inkling, just take yourself out, like I was worried
that people would think. So, just to kind of give
(02:46):
a quick rundown of what happened, we played against Perpignan
and it was actually my own teammates.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Me as that's what happened to me. The last big
concussion I got was a big heifer of a lad
front of prop. He was his knee. He should have
never been running ever, and his knee as I was
reaching on to pick the ball absolutely crucified me with
a new how did yours come about?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah? Well I was just I carried the ball and
was in the rock, and yeah, she's second row. She's
fucking gas woman. She's she's the type now who could
literally smoke instead of doing a warm, she could smoke
a fag and she'd still come on and fucking trample everyone.
You know, But it's funny because she actually ironically also
(03:36):
took the other number rings out of it in a
match a few weeks ago and gave her a concussion
as well. So we all agreed, like, look, if you
wanted a plate, like you could have just asked. But
she she she's a great teammate and just you know,
hard as nails. So took uh yeah, knee into the
(03:57):
into the head, and like, I was all right after that,
but I felt a little bit that usually for me,
everyone this is another important thing. Everyone responds differently to
to concussion.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Like That's what I was going to ask, is what
are we tore like the signs to look out for if.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I can't Yeah, no, you can't know what are you saying?
If you remember all?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I remember well, I mean I was violently ill about
it half an hour later, but I've then felt grand.
But then it came back in a wave then where
I just I was sitting down and everything was a
bit woozy. I was just off. I couldn't put put
my finger on it. Everything was just off.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And that's difficult as well, because it's hard to say, oh,
write it can cost because like I've been telling myself,
any you're fine, you're fine, and I'm clearly not fine.
That's a real battle that players that have with themselves,
like Jesus your grand Like it's only minor, it's only
a small thing, or do you know, it's so hard
to put your finger on it. But like the HIA
(05:03):
and all the protocols, like everyone responds differently to them,
and interestingly, like the Finn Russell Darcy Graham clash from
two weekends ago, and like it said afterwards, Finn Russell
actually passed the HIA, but they they still thought he
shouldn't go back on and people were kind of criticizing
him then in the comments like, oh, for God's sake,
if you pass the HIA, I honestly I've been you
(05:28):
can pass. I've I've passed the HI A while being concussed,
Like it doesn't, it can't. Everyone responds differently to concussion.
It's just so strange. Thankfully, I wasn't sick like you
were saying you got sick. Thankfully, I wasn't sick like that.
I haven't been emotional. I know that people can get
very very down. Thankfully I haven't been. But sorry, I
(05:52):
was only kind of halfway through the story. The stupid
thing for me was that I was getting dizzy spells,
like in the gym. I trained on the pitch ground,
even it was doing extra conditioning and everything. It was
in the gym where I was kind of holding my breath,
which is kind of normal, you'd get a bit dizzy
after holding your breath, but you know, like it was.
(06:12):
It was different to normal. It was different to usual.
And I noticed a little bit of a different, a
little like train away grand and then it came home
one night and my head was spinning after I got home,
and I was like, jeez, that's that's weird. But it
was just so slight that I didn't want to go
to the coaches and be like, look, i'll rule myself
out here. No one wants to ever do that as
(06:35):
a player, No one wants to do that. So if
I'm being really honest with myself, that's what I should
have done. But I was afraid of other people, you know, saying, oh,
and I doesn't want to play, or because it was
a friendly match against Belgium. We played a friendly against Belgium,
and I didn't want to be the one who took
himself out and not playing the friendly. So I took
(06:55):
the risk and it didn't pay off, got a got
a show into the head, and I've been it's definitely
the worst concussion I've ever had. And yeah, so stupid,
stupid me. But it's it's a very likely story. Like
rog players do it all the time. They don't want
to take themselves out of the game or rule themselves
(07:16):
out because because I passed all the tests, do you
know all the concussion tests didn't didn't didn't rule me out.
I had to do that myself. But that's a that's
just the way it is. That's the here we are now.
So if it's a if I can pass the message
on to anyone, if you think there's any sort of inkling,
(07:36):
you take yourself out, or if like if a physio
or doctor doesn't do it for you, you do it yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Well, what have you been? Like you're saying you're We
were messaging back and forth and it was like progressions.
If I listened back to the messages, there are progression
you know, you're progressing last week, like you're going, Man,
I'm in the dark here. I'm literally watching the sound
of music because there's there and tones throughout the movie.
What a movie to peack to just because it wasn't
(08:07):
that bright or whatever, and you're going to bed with
a migraine every night, Like I mean, that's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like it the I know. And i'd made progress, so
like she just feel great now and then like last week,
for example, I was feeling really good on the Friday,
so I went along to training just to watch and
to sit in on the team meeting, and then I
couldn't sleep that night. So against you. But you know,
you feel a bit of progression, so you try to
(08:36):
push it a little bit and then you regress against
So I have to I like the volume on here
listening to like very low, and I just need to
just take it easy, not get too excited about things
as I usually tend to do, but just poco like
I all I have to do is cook my meals
(08:57):
and then go out for a walk. Yes so, but
but that has actually got better. Like I literally I
couldn't chop a carrot last week and I was I
had to sit down.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You went for a sea swim and we were kind
of I was very intrigued when you said that it
was perishing cold, but it seemed to kind of alleviate
at least the migraine at night.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, someone said about ice bats that they help, and
I was like, well, I'll tell myself into the seas
because it's fucking freezing at the moment, obviously, but it's
nice as well. But I I'm wearing sunglasses here in
my living room, Like, but yeah, I don't know if
(09:43):
it's if it's because of the cold water or the walks,
or is it just progression anyway, but I'm starting to
feel a little bit better just getting out walking as
the only thing that doesn't that keeps me occupied, that
doesn't make me dizzy because everything else, Like I thought
a jig so it would be kind of an easy
thing to do. Can't do the jigsaw. Have been like
(10:04):
trying to like go out and buy a postcard and
write a postcard. Couldn't do that. Have to stop, might
have a little quick browse in a shop, but I
have to come outside again. But Daddy that it's getting better, slowly, slowly,
it's getting better.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Good, good, Well, we'll we will keep people a breast
and no doubt, as soon as people hear this, there
will be yeah, concerned, but look, it's no tough for
savage and listen, conductor, where kneepads just or something? Do
you know what I mean? If she's going to be
going around just absolutely launching people's heads into fucking orbit,
she isus Christ. Can we can we do something about that?
(10:42):
Can we put kneepads on her or something?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
She has big nobl knees, like you know if if
if you picture some of the big nobilinees, that's that's her.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And I was like, I'm actually looking at I'm looking
at a drawing here, and I'll show I'll show you
at the very end. I'm looking at a drawing, several
drawings on the one napkin that my son decided he
loves drawn monsters, and they all tend to have big
gangly legs with big nobly needs. I think, I look
at that god silly here, and he has big our
(11:11):
legs and nobilinees on him. So I'm just saying, maybe
maybe she has a new nickname coming her way.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well her nickname, well, her nickname is Gaspar, but it
sounds like everyone's saying Gaspar, so why just call her gaspar?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Gas masters, gas bastards?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Gas So look, we won't we won't hang around too
much this evening because if you've sunglasses on in the
sitting room and we won't, we won't put your brain
under too much pressure. Good. Great, that that actually brings
me lots of excitement. It was the first thing that
because ask Jesus Christ, if it's too much pressure for
(11:52):
enoughering it, you're just turn it off. Look, and I
will tell me if if it's if it's too heavy.
But in all fairness, we do We're not dead. We're
not that deep diving rugby podcast. This is the most
rugby I think you've talked about in a long time.
Actually your concussion, yeah, we've not.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We've no. That's stats are pie charts with none of
that ship none that I have to say. So, did
today's turnsday? Did the our team come out today? Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
This morning at nine am bright nearly oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And straight away of course all the rugby pods are
are pulling it apart and dissecting and this and that
and the other, and all I could think of was like,
now this is a team that excites me?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? Yeah, why why?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
What? What is it now that gets you going on
this one?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Because there's unknown Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there's youth like
Joe McCarthy who missed him now I'm excited to see
him coming back the new front row. God, what's his name?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Thomas Clark?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes? Does he Is it his first start?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yes? I think it's definitely his first six Nations start anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, and like young new captain. I literally was like,
now this is something I can get behind. This is
what we were talking about last year when I was like, look,
if we lose a couple of matches with kind of
new new things to try out, it won't be too bad.
So fucking why not. I'm I'm I'm excited for them.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, I was in the same way I thought. I
was surprised Dan Sheeam was picked. I thought they would
go with Bundy or you know what I mean, a captain,
you know, or Tiger, even though Mahony just because it
was a captain. But I went, huh that makes sense. Yeah,
because he's a guy. He's a nailed on starter while
he's healthy. He's a hooker, which is always a great
(13:45):
position to have the captain. But it's it's a it's
a bloke that they can get behind, and I'd like,
I'd actually it'd be very It's interesting to see what
started Turbo puts in him, do you know what I mean?
Very very interesting. I was excited because we're like, yeah,
you need a fail safe captain when Keln Narris is
in a round because he's anutritional player, he's a man
(14:05):
that may get injured. So I was very very happy.
It made perfect sense. It wasn't like, what do you know?
It wasn't up for debate in my head, much as
was it up for debate that some Brenda Gas should
start and Jack Crowdly get no game time. You know,
it's I'm up. What I would say is I'm happy
(14:26):
enough with Brenda Gas at the minute. I'm like, okay,
well he needs a run run. But if they're going
rotat and then being interesting, they left the wings the
very same and I'm like, there's there's a there's more wingers.
You could have tried there, now, you know what I mean?
You don't need to run. That was where the one
spot I thought you could have. I would have dropped
(14:47):
nearly boat wingers off. Just let let him have a
weekend a weekend off. And just because we know what
Mackenson can do, we know what James low can do.
Let's have a look at I don't know, is it
does Jimmy O'Brian play on the wing see round? I
don't know, but you know what I mean, let's have
a look at somebody else on the wings, just out
(15:08):
of interest, maybe let's have a look at, you know,
a different center, just one different center than the three
we've been using forever, like it just just just to
change it up, like if we're going, if we're going
to rotating everywhere. I get like, I know there was
the whole Yeah, Crowdy needs it. For Crowley, he does
(15:28):
and he doesn't in that he's had two six nations,
you know what I mean, he's gone to a World
Cup piece. We know he can do it. And I
hope that that's the way they're looking at it. Sounds
like that's the way they're looking at it. Like no,
to have two all firing, all things, all that and
tens is the way to go. And right now Prendergast
does not have that body of a muscle put under him,
(15:49):
like he doesn't have that body of work done. So
he needs it and he needs to go and play
against Wales because that's the like I was at first
I was, Oh, I feel bad for Jack, and I do.
But Jack has that all in the bank. There's no
two ways he wouldn't be there. He wouldn't be on
the bench if he didn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But I actually I was I'm disappointed for him because
I feel I agree with everything you said there now,
like giving Sam run and we know that the proof
is in the pudding. Like for Jack Crowley, we know
what he's about, but we're also like cutting down on
his game time. Number one test game time, which you
(16:35):
know is is where players mature. And I know it
would be great to have the two and we've said
that before, like imagine having two world class you know, tens,
but like you have to mature as well. Like it's
like it's like a wine which refer to cheap wines
or the middle wines or two you know, an expensive
(16:55):
line is. So it's hard to what what what in
tru me is internally Is it being managed well? Because
if I was Jack Crowley and they're telling me like, look,
you had your chance last year. This is Sam Berna's
chance now, I'd feel like, you know, they're saying they
want to, but I'd feel like they were facilitating the
(17:18):
other ten to allow him surpass me because I've already
proved myself. Why don't you just keep me there and
keep him in my shadow until I'm like That's how
I would feel. I would feel like you're giving them
more more chances than me because you actually want them
to play.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's true, and to be fair, I can't no, I agree.
The thing is in a conversely, the way you agree
with me, I agree with you too. And all I'm
trying to do is not play Devil's advocate because it
kills me that that Jack Crowley isn't playing I think
all round right now, he's a more superior player because
he has a defense, a savage defense. But I'm trying to, again,
(18:02):
not play Devil's advocate. I'm trying to nearly explain to
myself more than anyone else why they've started Sam Brenda guess.
And that's the only way I can come to reason
with it is go, well, yeah, I guess they want
to give him the full run. But you're one hundred
percent right it would have been well. I was not
flabbergasted is a bit of a strong word, but I
(18:25):
was a bit taken aback when I saw him Jesus Christ, Like,
the kid's got his, he's got his, He's got his
time in the saddle, do you know what I mean?
He also needs to learn what being fucking dropped his too,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Like, but also I think everyone was surprised, like you're
saying now, because I think everyone is expecting to change
around to come because Wales are doing so shy at
the moment. This is your this is your match because
like in the Six Nations it used to be only
or it used to be Scotland and Italy that you
could like do the turnaround, which you can't do that
against Scotland. So given where Wales are at, that's where
(18:59):
you do. So, Like I think I was expecting the
char I was expecting the rotation, like I think most
people were. But again, the point that you've made about
the back three and the center is like the rest
of the back line like absolutely, like why didn't they
change that around, Like especially Mackanson's been hobbling on and off.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, you're gonna free played like that against Scotland.
I mean, what's that telling you? Like, if you're Calvin Nash,
you're going I don't know if you should about Mack Canson.
I'm kind of a Nash and I played a blinder
and scored a dry against Gotland and you're gonna blame me.
You're gonna drop me for a guy who's hobbling around
the place.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like what was said to him, like, yeah, you're grand there, Kelvin.
You look Max Back so you know it's story right,
you know Max Back? So how do you go? Kid?
Like it is a slap in the chops. I mean,
good to see Jamie Osborne getting the crack at full back,
but like I do think Mac could have been stood
(19:59):
down for Calvin Ash been in and also Low being
stood down too, and look for another winger. You know
what I mean to put in there?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's giving me a World Cup? Hebgb's like when we
wouldn't I wouldn't fucking change the team against Tonga and
then we couldn't even get up off the ground in
the fucking quarter final, Like it's just stupid. You take
your chances to rotate when it comes and sorry, it's
funny going back to like whatever ten minutes ago. And
I was like, this is like this excites me. I
(20:27):
obviously only listened to the first half of the team.
I didn't bother listen.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
To the rest of the Well, clearly you can guess
what what what side of the of the kind I
played when I was playing, and what side Anna favors.
Clearly I will only look at the forwards, thank you
very much. From one to eight, who else is the Oh,
no interest in that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But I had this conversation before I actually think, oh, no,
I can't remember, but someone who used to play loose Head,
hang on which night is the loser?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, so Newsfuley loose Prop. And we were saying, like
we were trying to discuss who was on the team,
like the team had just been announced. It like you
have to obviously go and like say sorry to the
girls that aren't playing, or congratulate the ones that are,
and like we were saying, like it's hard to remember
all the names. She was like, yeah, like usually you
(21:32):
just start stop listening after you hear your own nick
just number one.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That is such a props thing today, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you hear Gordon Darcy discussing this week about like
Peter Manny being like the last of the characters.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, I suppose from his point of view, he's looking
at us a character.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I just thought it was the base load of shiit
sor you're talking about fellas that you know personally. I'm sorry,
But what about mack Hanson James Low, Like do not
know that mack Hanson won Banana and Bear's Rug Player
of the Year. Like there's fucking Craig Casey, Like I
(22:20):
understand he's taking to kind of like hard hard boys,
kind of old school, but also there's plenty more than
what about Tyke Furlong like Andrew Porter, Like there's loads
of characters. I think it's it's just funny coming from him,
and like the kind of the leinster schoolboy image, like
you don't find many characters there, Like I feel like
(22:43):
that's where the lack of character comes from, like the
leinster schools boy thing. But he was a leinster schools boy,
so like, surely he understands this.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, the problem here, I think it was it was
as well. Sometimes I think fellas, you know, they can
take themselves very seriously, like he was, well, I am
you know, the I'm the deciding vote when it comes
to this, this decision that Petermanny is the last of
the characters here like Joe McCarty has a mullet. What
are you talking about? Like there are there are I
(23:15):
mean Doris and himself is a very affable character. Like
there's I mean the day of lads going around booting
you into the face, like you know, Peter Classy. Yeah,
that's gone, you know what I mean. Like, but you've
met Canson, you know, walking around his underpants do you know,
shown off tattoos of his coach on his arse or
wherever you got it, like you know, so there's definitely,
(23:36):
like to use the phrase character, I guess I know
what he's I think I know what he was trying
to say was that there was he's the last of
the the last enforcer. And I think we talked about
this before too a couple of weeks back. We're kind
of going who in the entire like they're all great players,
really well drilled, but if we get into those crunch moments,
(23:59):
which we have it or cups like who can you
who is who will can walk on? And everybody's game
comes up ten percent? Do you know that I'm not
saying that mcclway or Trevor Brennan. It has to be
that kind of style of a person like, but I
kind of think that that's what he meant. But he
was voicing it very badly, do you know what I mean?
(24:22):
He was kind of putting it out there, like, you know, man,
he's out there, you know, you know, making fucking animal balloons,
like you know, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
What he's I don't think he was getting at he
was because he's then he told a story about Oh no, sorry,
Maybe you're right because the story he told was about
Shane Byrne telling him like, don't call me by my nickname.
It was actually quite a funny story, So maybe maybe
you're right, daddy, is what he was getting at. I
(24:50):
kind of more understood it as like someone who just
kind of goes against the green a little bit, which yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I kind of lose my my putting
on that one. But I just when I listen to it,
I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
To be honest, to be fair, there's one of a
few like he was on there selling books, you know,
with Paul Paul Howard, Like I mean, it's it's all
well and good, but like when a fellow's on selling books,
you're like, all right, fair enough, you know, one of
the few that seems to make a novel lot of
sense on is it off the ball? Is Andy done?
(25:29):
He seems to make a lot of sense. He takes
a long time to speak, but he seems to be
quite clear and concise like the rest, and there tends
to be a bit of let's see if we can
make some drama out of this moment, okay, Jesus Christ,
as you all strangely descend into something that awkwards, the
look is very strange. But I'm not saying we don't
(25:49):
put our lookout there novel, but we've maintained what we
looked like when we started this podcast. But whatever's going
on with that podcast, they all seem to be descending
into something from Harry Potter. Each one of them seems
to be turning into a new character. What's his name
with the long area like his hair is get He's
turned into Medie Moody.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Mood Yeah, stress from reporting on sport for the lads.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I suppose Jesus Christ crimea river like there are rougher
jobs out there, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
They seem to like good work of it anyway, But
like I'd say, they're just like the whole Getting on
the Chase and the Sun documentary was just the highlight
of them. Like so I feel like that's they're trying
to do all the time, is like turn up in
like teams, meeting rooms and everyone else with their with
(26:49):
their predictions or turning people apart or dissecting things. But
that's their job to.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Give them their dude, that that is their job. Yes,
and I mean they you know, and it works because
they have everybody raging. The telegraph is a rage and
everybody's raiding because they in all fairs. It was some
ship house eary last week when they're like what the
twelve man Ireland beat Wales?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Oh jesus, yeah, Like that's fair ignorant, that's fairy injured
to come out with that, Like what how long will
we go?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Ten men with ten men.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
The ball? Is that why everyone hates?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's why it's because of off the ball, nothing else.
It's not it's not a reflection of the players at all.
Like I mean, okay, you know James Lowd does ship
house people on the pitch like it gives the world
of grief Like but and yes, Petermanny did have that
famous line Whige to give to give a small bit
to Gordon Darcy, to give him a small bit. When
(27:53):
you cut back to that line with Peter, he turned
to Sam Kin with you're a ship. Rigim McCall, Oh yeah,
that was rough.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
That was Rough'll say, well, no one's listening to our
podcast to get them riled up except for Manny Lebarc.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, many libboc will. Look, it'll come to
a showdown someday where it'll just be you and me
walking down the streets and then like that standoff music
from the Westerns and Libok would be at the other
end of the street like those two Bostards. Sure. Look,
the game is on at the weekend. It looks like
they're at a ludicrous odds, which I think is a
(28:30):
bit it's a bit saucy given that Gatland has has
headed off and every team tends to have a bit
of a spicy patch, do you know what I mean?
Like backs against them all, it still wails in the
principality like it's still going a game will still have
to be played, like so it'll be you know, I
don't think it's at sixty six to one anyway. I
don't think it's or whatever ludicrous ads that were given
(28:54):
against for the Arland win. But yeah, it looks like
it should be an arn win. But I may mentioned
about the Richie mccauline, which is a nice little segue
into what I pictured that I said you yesterday that
Ireland it's back on. The rematch is back on. We're
(29:14):
going back to Chicago. November first, eight, ten Irish time,
Ireland are playing New Zealand again in Soldier Field ten am,
no eight ten pm.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh what is the match over there?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Three o'clock? Oh yeah twice. Yeah, so they're on. They're
on the East Coast, aren't they. Cole bastard of a place,
and they'll be yeah a ten I think eight, yeah,
ten past eight, and I think it is that night.
The Hill Comedy Club is the most beyond that night.
I may have to move to Friday because the Friday,
(29:52):
the Friday night before, because I don't see I know
the to be a great for or to go and
watch that, but that you know, that should be spicy.
What kind of picked in my head? I see, I'm
very narrow vision. I had no idea that the World
Cup is going to be there in thirty the two
World Cups are going to be there in is it
thirty three and thirty five? That makes sense, that'd be great.
(30:13):
I had no idea was going there, didn't even didn't
even look beyond it. And that's how shite of media
rugby media I am is that I don't norves even
into the the next world up afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Well, I'm interested in that anyway. It doesn't matter where
it is because I remember, just.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You'll be there. That's why you'll be there without with
belts on. You will absolutely be there. Like there's no
two ways. But that's why you care. You're like, who
do I know over there now? In Chicago A bit
I've played.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
There, But I this is actually something I wanted to
rent about what we would write about it today because
I'm going to like recover to do this rent?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh right, pin that people, we have a rent. We
are due a rant.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh yeah, it's about the USA because number one politics
and the USA I can't I cannot cope.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Number two it's hilarious. It it trust me amazing fortality.
It's one of the best things ever.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
But I I obviously a coach in the States and
like that's where like there's loads there's going to be
loads more coaching opportunities there like it is somewhere like
I definitely love to go and work like as a
coach because obviously now when I was strom playing, I'm
going to go full time into coaching, and there's going
(31:34):
there's opportunities in the States. And then they're fucking and
we don't have to talk about this now, and sorry
for cursing, but they're basically getting rid of the scrum
in the MLR, and I I have no time for
no this. This is all going to be part of
my rent now because I honestly don't have the energy.
(31:55):
But I read it the other day they're cutting down
so for a knock on, it's going to be a
free kick. Basically, for all of the scrum scenarios or
things that lead to a scrum, it's going to be
a free kick instead. And it's to make it more entertaining.
Even though I look it up, the time in play
(32:17):
the ball in playtime for American fucking football for a
game that lasts three and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Is do you want to guess?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do you know three and a half hours long? Watch
you work in the play time.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
An hour and twenty No, Okay, it's so it's something
ridiculous by your your witchy cackle that you just did
there forty.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Two, it is eleven minutes here.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I was at a football match once and I got
blind drunk out of boredom. Honestly, everybody else is hooping
and holler and I'm like, how are you keeping your
energy up? There is nothing happening, and I almost passed
that with the alcohol.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So they think they can make rugby more entertaining. Clearly
not an issue, and clearly nobody is fucking watching the
game anyway, because anyway, sorry, this is actually starting to
make my head spin. But on top of that, so
that the the World Cup is gonna is coming there,
(33:28):
both World Cups are and like it's obviously growing, and
you've got a loan of mar and you've got the
MLR and and all these things. But they're trying to
get rid of the scrum. And I'm sorry now, but
like the reason we love rugby is because of how
inclusive it is. And if you get rid of that,
you get rid of like I'm so like grateful to
(33:49):
be able to represent a sport and like walk into
a classroom of young girls and say to them like
there's a position on the pitch for every single one
of you. I don't ever want it to come to
the stage where like, okay, position for everyone except for
the big girls, but like the big players being like
the key to rugby is what makes rugby the best
(34:12):
fucking sport in the world. If you ask me, so.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What what sport does it become if the scrumb is gone?
Is it rugby league? Some bastardized versus exactly?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
But this is what this is what Americans do.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But sure it's not like, how are there any like
if they're national player, Like if they have a national team,
which they do have a national team, and any of
our players play in d MLR, how are they going
to survive the World Cup? Are playing Ireland when it
comes to scrum time. If they have absolutely no idea
what's happening, They're gonna get eaten. They're going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Trying to make it like as if this is like
the product to you know, to sell. But like I mean,
I don't know anyway. It was just another thing that
came up, like recently, I literally all this American stuff
(35:04):
coming up, Like I don't want to hear about American
politics now all this American rugby is coming up, we
can't avoy, Like as a rugby fan, you're we're not
gonna be able to avoid America for a long time.
So not that I want to either, Like it's where
i'd like to I'd like to work there, like as
a coach, but between the politics and rugby and the
politics that are real politics, I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Know, you would be grand just cut a cut yourself,
a month of drive a pickup truck and you'd be
the finest. You make a part, but you could, you know,
I'd find it, Like how good would it be? Like
if you're doing like bootlegs crumb training down alleyways like markets, Yeah,
black Market's grown, and people are like, hey, hey yeah,
(35:46):
just looking around all shifty. Good you've got you got
anywhere for a second role, because just just just say
the words into my ear doutch Oh my god, Jesus, yes, yeah,
I know I'm going for some reason. Do you know
what I just before we came on, I'd watched you know,
(36:09):
he's Bomber. He's one of the curly hair fellows. He
was a proper Whales three years and I was just
watching him test his scrummage and the ability Adam Jones,
and they did. He goes, I can't, you're doing this
touch No, I can't and they went, oh, sorry, we'll
do the old version for you because he was tested
on a scrummaging machine, so they had to do touch
I find engage. But so yeah, I was just watching
(36:31):
that just beforehand. Did you before we wrap up? Did
you buy any chance come across the Monster match at
the weekend?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I watched I think, oh I watched it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You didn't get to see that from the art point
of view?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Was hilarious?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
He was.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
He was absolutely incandescent like he was. The first half
was so bad. He was like, I'd say, and this
is no joke now, and he's looking down the lens
of the camera like he's going, that's the worst game
of rugby I've ever seen. He is, I'm not cutting.
He says. We go to the go pick a handful
(37:14):
of lads out of the a l They'll play better
than that, he says. Tomorrow, go and watch your local
ail match or next weekend, and you'll see a better
game of rugby than what we're watching there. Four self
and somebody want have piped in the feed into the
dress because Monster came out all guns blazing. Pas scored
like five tries or something, but it was it was
(37:35):
so dramatic. Do you know he's not there going no, no,
I'd say that's the worst game of rugby ever.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
It's that I had it on here and all I
had the volume down because I wasn't actually listening to
the to the the thing to try and to try
and keep stimulation low. But I missed that. That's that's brilliant,
like fair plazing.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
To be fair, the stimulation was for can load watching
the match, I can tell you it was. It was
absolutely cat belosion. That first half was like now fair.
There was a couple of players like Gavin Coombs seemed
to be plugged in like he was. He was in
tune throughout the match, but it was like Jesus Mary,
just what is happening here? Like it was. That wasn't
(38:18):
the worst game of rugby that ever, but it was
good to see Donacle kind of absolutely rinsome on live
on television. Goal you know, right to be aware of
a jersey light. I'm looking at this here, know, and
that is the worst game of rugby I can categorically
say that I've ever seen, and Jackman was besides nearly
just gonna bite the zip going.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's not easy, I feel like as a former player,
and especially with his character, like I'm sure he knows
a lot of those players, like sir Payton for just
calling as calling it as it is, like from his
point of view and not kind of be like trying
to fluff around them, because that's hard you could get,
you know, trying to stay on their side there, trying
to still like fucking fair play Tim for calling that out.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
It was great, it was great, and then come the
second half, then they were, you know, at the post
match whatever it was like, well, they obviously listened, you know,
but he wasn't making light of that either, because listen,
I that first half was so unacceptable. I understand that
they've been down a few weeks and they're like, oh,
it's only the cards or whatever, but like the lever
of professionalism, if you can't turn it on from the
(39:24):
world go and as a paid professional, then it's not
good enough. Like he was right in the second half,
they must have gotten a fair all dressing down. I'd
imagine the dressing room because when they came out suddenly
they knew how to play rugby again. It was just
it was more so for the comments that if you
can find it at some stage on YouTube, I'll go
looking for it the seeking and find it because it's
(39:44):
just so funny, just how pissed off he is. But
it's such an over the top dramatic statement. The worst
game of rugby like Azerbaijan could be playing, could have
been playing. It could be played like Canada and drop
the balls all over the place in the Pisson's raid,
(40:05):
and it was still a better match that he was
watching that night.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I actually, when you're talking about Azerbaijan and Canada, there
something I was looking at I came across during the week.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Is don't tell me you're off to play rugby.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
But the teams that are yet to qualify for the
next World Cup, it is actually class. And I was singing,
this is like, I'm gonna save this now for when
it's maybe not six Nations time or we have a
bit more. But the rugby, the European Rugby Championships, i e.
The last few places are up for grabs now over
(40:39):
the next few months, and it's all teams like a
load of teams that have never been to a World
Cup before, like the the when I was saying, like
the Belgium girls were here for a practice match day,
threw on the Belgium men's game after they were playing,
and one of the qualifiers, like so there's it's just
it's gonna be so interesting. I don't have the teams
(41:00):
here now, but like literally teams from all over the
world that you've never even heard of playing rugby, Like
they're going to be at the World Cup. It's going
to be class well. Spain qualified finally.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, yeah, dodgy dealings the last time or whatever, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
There was? And then I read today that a Spanish
player had to retire because he signed a contract basically
saying that he could only play one match for Spain
in the in the year and then he has to
go back to his club. Apparently it's such as a
total ship show there in Spain that like the clubs
(41:38):
won't release players to go and play in the World Cup.
So shit show. So you're talking about dodgy dealings like
it's still obviously going on because they're just since players
retiring before they go to the World.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Cup, Like yeah, there was talks of the fact that
Georgia are really coming good at the minute. Yeah, well
there was talks that they're coming so good now that
they've actually got above whales in the world rankings. That's
where they're at.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, they probably beat whales.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I'd say, Well, they have some big humans, as I
think Graham Rowntree described him after he was coaching, with
a lot of square men, very square, just square corners
on them nails.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Remember I played in a beach tournament in Tbilisi in Georgia,
and the fellow that was commentating like ran down into
the middle of the pitch, into the middle of a fight,
like while still commentating. You had the microphone on one
eyes beating people off, like, and they were all fucking monitors. Like,
so there's definitely no like question of getting up for
(42:48):
a match for them. They're fucking yeah, tough as nails.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
As one way of putting it, brilliant, Well, look at
I want you to go and rest your brain. I
have purchased you a packet of candy kittens, and I
I said, I put them in the office. They're safe
because right now, as I told you, if they're in
the character getting eaten it's it's but they are tremendous.
(43:13):
They're so so sour, but only for a few seconds
it's gone. Then it's very strange. But they're apparently vegan
friendly and apparently some celebrity for the off one of
those reality shows. I'm only way is Chelsea or one
of them. He made the company, which kind of puts
me off of a small bit. But they're in ality
at a very good price, and they're called candy kittens
(43:33):
and they're looking delicious. So I have a pack for you, right,
You got.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
To send them over with someone to the Monster Mass.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yes, it would anybody if anybody's traveling over, because I
know I'm gigging. That was when I was when you
messed with me that time, and of course i'm of
course i'm gigan. That'd be great if somebody would bring
them over for me rather than actually posting them. Way
way cooler if somebody brought him over. So anybody is
going into the match, we will Actually, if we don't
get anybody back, we'll we'll we'll tweet it for the
(44:05):
candy gettings to be brought over the en so you
put on another set of some glasses or even just
close your eyes because eyelids are pretty good.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yes, feel better. Put some peas in your head, and
if you do feel like jumping in the sea again,
please do to whatever whatever gets you back on track.
Just saying, just saying, I found Yes, maybe some soft
folk rock in the background might help. Just say, Dad
(44:39):
McCabe is a lovely He was in the I had
a headache couple of weeks ago. Put him on headache
right away. Just it was a nice kind of softy stuff.
The only thing is about you is you'd pull out
the ukulele and start singing along with all your heart,
like you just throw yourself into like Christy Moore, like
for a fox. Right.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I brought my ukulele home to Mallow the last day
and I never brought it back on me.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Some people would be happy about that scenario. Some people
aren't being uculated. But I know you're very You're probably
very sad about it. But look at you get better,
And let's watch loads of ruggers over the weekend, and
I'll catch you again next week. Right, you mind the rucks,
Mind the rocks
Speaker 1 (45:23):
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