February 28, 2025 • 55 mins
This week we ask the question on everyone's minds.....Jack or Sam?!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Bananas Rugby Pod. Already had a few cups
of tea today, so I didn't make one for the podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, well you made it sound like you were making
it for the guests. But hey, everybody, we've just enjoined us.
That was a perfect start. Actually, I had a couple
of cups of tea no today, so one for the podcast.
We were we were high energy here talking about tea
related Soneta scenarios. Welcome to the podcast. It's Banana and
Bear's Rugby podcast. And we are here and Anna has
(00:33):
gone for not a player that although I thought you'd
go for Bundiaki, I thought you would go for Bundiac,
but I'm pretty sure you picked him before you went
for poor Italy where they'll featured some stage in today's show.
But most importantly, how are you keeping because people have
him have been asking in the real world. I told
you yesterday I was at the mechanics and he Popy
(00:53):
said I was, I was on his head.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That was very nice, as the Mechanic film said, I'm okay,
I'm still not fully better, which yeah, which is frustrating
because now I do feel an awful lot better like
I did go out on Saturday and I went to
(01:22):
Larshall's Top fourteen game and I I went to watch
the Irish game like in the bar up there, which
is kind of what I'm finding is darker places are
making me dizzy. As close as I am to the daylight, yeah,
the better I feel. So I actually watched the first
(01:43):
half of Ireland most of the game Ireland and Wales
in in the stadium because you know, there's big bars
in big light, and actually went rather well. But I left.
I left. I was wearing air plugs to the match
and everything, just to make sure that there wasn't any
like odd sound. It's all been going well, but then
just when I as soon as I start to kind
(02:04):
of concentrate too closely on something, my head will start
to spin. So that's disappointing and frustrating. And I've got
a real fright. I feel like it was since I
spoke to you last week. You know obviously, like listeners
to the show will know, and anyone who who who
would have seen it on my stories would like, I'm
(02:25):
going to retire now, Like at the end of the season.
I got such a fright, thinking like Jesus have actually
is it actually already done, and I don't know. It's like,
have I already actually played my last game? So I've
got a big fright. But then I started to feel
better again. But now since yesterday it's kind of slowed
up again, so I don't know, I don't know where
I'm at. It's it's just a game of just being
(02:49):
patient is all you can do with it. But I
am going back to work tomorrow, so hopefully that goes
well and doesn't bring on, like any major symptoms. And yeah,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You're further down the track though than you were, say,
two and a half weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and I bought mushrooms, yes, yes, what did you buy?
And I've been taking my line. I've been taking my
lines made because I've got lines made in the shades good.
And then I bought the Turkey Tail, like literally when
you inntioned me, I just went straight online and I
bought it because I just wanted to try everything, obviously,
(03:28):
and there's no like, there's no there's no like illegal
illegal substance testing in even though it does say it's tested,
like usually I wouldn't take the risks with something if
it just said it on its label like I would
go through a doctor and everything to make sure that
it wasn't a band substance included, you know, or anything
like that or that. But I there's no substance testing
(03:53):
in this league, so you can actually take the things
you want.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So you put on the flip side, like you could
be like jacked out of your mind and nobody's got
there liked grown sideburns ace this r or less. What's
the story there? She's actually taller and wider. No, I
think she's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's crazy. I know that it's a it's a thing,
and I think we've spoken of this before as well,
like it's a thing in men's rugby, like and in
school school's rugby. You know, there's a debate around bringing
in testing and stuff in school boys rugby. I have
never ever come across anything like that women's rugby. Like
it is. People are so cautious about it, Like we
(04:33):
had so many presentations on it, like when we were
paying for Ireland and in the premiership and everything just
about how careful you to be, Like you can't just
go into a pharmacy and buy vitamin C, for example,
Like you have to go through the doctor, like get
something that's like like sports approved, sports Ireland approved. It
might be approved in one country and not on the next,
(04:55):
so according to your union. So like, it's so funny
how aware we were of it. But I never ever
came across anything like that in women's rugby, never in
any player in any club, not like I never.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Saw it, Please God. Turkey tail is for anybody wonder
she hasn't bought like a bunch of turkey tails and
going to fan herself or becoming some druid with which
or something and started pinning them to her clothes. They're
might do you know what that'd be? All right? They grow,
they grow everywhere. They grow in Ireland as well, turkey tail,
and they're brilliant. Look a mushroom. They're like a frill
(05:28):
with like a streak. Throw a couple of streaks from
and hence they looked like a bronze turkey tale. But
this room itself actually helps with sell regrowth in the brain.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So you might grow in France as well, Like I
was reading up about it, what was a polypoor that's
how it's That's how it said in French. But they
grow in France as well. But it couldn't find like
you can't find a supplement of it, So I'm getting
it like from the States, so that's in here in Ireland,
(06:05):
like where like over the counter.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hold on one second, now, hold on one second.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Are you forging in your garden?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm like people have gone
you go foraging because we live in a forest basically.
But I'm like, you know what, I'm going to leave
it to people that grow and this is one of them. Irish's.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
When I was looking it up, like in France, that's
what all the advice was was where to pack it? Yeah,
I was like, I don't, I won't know how to
do that. I definitely pick poisonous thing and end up
that would be some story for the podcast. So look,
if the podcast doesn't come back next week, you can
put your put the money on the on me going
(06:50):
foraging for for mushroom that will help my concussion and
end up fucking keeping the buckets instead.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Do you know what one second I did right.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Kick in the pocket the flip And now I hope
he's all right, not wishing death on anyone, but the
flipping Pope is sick. And if he dies before the weekend,
of the Six Nations, Roome is going to be absolutely mobbed,
like forget the vespertur, like there will be no chance
to that. I was literally Francis, who can hold on
(07:24):
a while to the Six Nations is over?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
At least he will, I know he will. He loves
his rugby as Francis. So there's a crowd called Powerful
dot E and they do turkey tail mushroom extract. So
they do it and droplet form for underneach your tongue.
That's that's the crowd of linesmen I use. This podcast
has mentioned him a few times, but we're not associated
with him. But I want your brain to get strong also.
(07:48):
But here's the great thing about this podcast. You were saying,
when I have to concentrate heavy, you know it brings
on migraines and whatnot. This is the least strenuous rugby
podcast has ever been creative. We do talk about rugby, but.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've had to turn I've had to turn down all
the other podcasts because this is the only one I'm
able for. They've all been calling me like any we
need drink like no, sorry, too much. Concentration the only place.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's the only place because the rest you're just gonna
wither the hair out of my head, like Jesus, Mary
and Joseph. Well, that's good, it's good. You're on the men.
People are concerned, but you're you're going to pull through.
You're you're going to be fine. You're come out stronger.
You're probably you know, you might. I don't know. You
might give us another year. Who knows, because if you've
lost a couple of matches now, you might even give
(08:41):
us another year. Who knows. I'm just saying, I'm just
putting it out there. You might come back fitter and
stronger than it is. So I do you want to
hear about my mad weekend?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't wait to hear about your mad weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So we gigging anyway as per normal in Clean and
Tuller More, two lovely places. But in between that, I
got approached a couple of months ago by this company
that do it's not alternative, but it's it's like it's
health stuff, but it's things like you know, red light
therapy and stuff like that. But they the one that
(09:15):
they wanted me to trial form was this hydroclonic therapy. Yeah,
so I was kind of going our Jesus and normally
when I get approached by any of these things, they're
absolutely not in my wheelhouse. And I go, yeah, Jesus,
you know, I'd say here and I'd give them a
suggestion of somebody that would be suited to that kind
(09:36):
of thing. But the next thing, they sent me the
video of the previous guests that they had are on
and doing this thing, and they asked you ten funny
questions during the process, and it was Lewis Capaldi. So
I went, fucking Lewis Capaldy's done it, so Jesus. And
then my wife was like, oh, what's going on. I
went and I just explained to you your so doing that,
(09:58):
you have to do that, but like I don't think
can neat it. So it's exactly what you imagine, only
it's the more therapeutic version than the medical version of
being washed out, if you know what I mean. It
is a calonic, but it's a very no, it's a
very very very subtle, and there is a enjoyable and
(10:19):
therapeutic way of doing it. It's very very subtle because
I wasn't ready for, you know, I wasn't ready for
to be sluiced out like a cow.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Right I was just wondering, how subtle can you put
a hose up your hole?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, here's the thing. It's the tiniest hose in the
history of hoses. If you imagine at the size of
a big pen, the actual tube of a big pen.
It's even thinner than that, right, But it's all done
through you. You're not just thrown on the side of
a bed and some fellow's root in at the back
ends with the fucking dison Like it's not. You actually
(10:58):
sit up on this big and a therapeutic kind of
it looks like a giant motorbike. And then the floor
kind of drops drops out of it, so you're kind of, yeah,
it is a bit. It is some fucking spin, I'll
tell you. And then the insertion happens and the water
is and the whole lot just wash itself and you're
(11:20):
I'll be honest with you, I'm a very regular person.
I don't think I would have benefited from it like
a lot of people would. But the big thing that
I got the kick from it immediately got rid of
my cold, like I was coughing and spluttering an every
done in there. But they after the Yeah, I swear
to God, because it washes out any toxin that's in
(11:41):
your intestine at all, like there's nothing left. But what
they do is they reintroduced a leader of probiotic, very
strong probiotic, and that goes back in. And I'm not
joke with you. I would I would have challenged you
to a sprint in that moment with my two bad ankles.
I'm a bad hip, I would. I'm not. I came
(12:01):
out of like i'd say, I'm about five years younger.
This is unbelievable. And at lasted I went that night,
I had a very good gig Shallby. It was just
an unbelievable not and else it was like a mental cleense.
It was like Jesus Christ, I am physically the cleanest
(12:23):
human in this entire city in Dublin. I'm the cleanest
human on the insides anyway right now. It was phenomenal.
It was phenomenal. It was I will give them tip
of the cap and we did our funny questions in between.
While there. It's all very very like what's the word
I'm looking for. It's a very subtle and for the client,
(12:46):
do you know what I mean? So you don't at
any stage feel like you're in a medical unit. You
feel like you're in a spare. Do you know what
I mean, you're actually in a spare. I would say
I would advise it. I would advise it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Can I ask what it is?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I think I don't know. They it was complimentary and
that all the other treatments were complementary as well. So
it was a company. I think it starts at one
hundred and twenty quid for that bit, and then the
red light is another thing, and then there was kind
of another treatment thing that I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Like you know, like I'm just kind of going back
to the whole sports thing and like you know, feeling
like coaches or doctors and stuff come up with ways
like you know, kind of like like doping used to
be and then it became illegal, like all the ways
that people figure things out, Like I wonder what teams,
(13:33):
for example, like sports teams start to use something like this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean, it's in a big week. Like prior to
ice bats, they were known as that was pure woo shit,
like you know what I mean, it was like yeah, exactly, yeah,
only yogi's and fucking jiu jitsu masters set you know,
in cold water and you're going to look at this pollox.
I mean, I have a whole bit in my new
show ripping fucking ice bats, even though I'm okay with him.
But that was too But now it's a science and
(13:59):
it's this, that and the other, and this is this
is big in America. Sorry, shout out to the name
the company. It's called Vitality. It's on Dorcet Street beside
the matter. And this is Dave. She's brought this, This
is these this equipment over from America essentially where it's done.
You know, they know how to mind themselves and treat themselves,
you know what I mean? This is I felt like
(14:20):
a Kardashian's eut there to be honest, I'm like, I
don't deserve this level of internal pampering that's going on
right now. This is scandalous. It was, Yeah, it made
for a bit and then I got to watch the match,
and yeah, I mean I was okay with the match.
I was actually in good form, where normally i'd be
roorn at that carry on. So yeah, I would I
(14:43):
would advise anybody to go to it if at any point,
and you don't have to feel blowd you don't have
to feel wrecked, and but it does. It took the
black rings from underneath my eyes immediately like at a
big and cleared up my eyesight. My ey eyes have
been a bit found in the last couple of weeks.
I'm not joke with you.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It gave you the ability to play the classical flute
like like the cleaned up your eyes as you got
rid of your cold. Like what other superpowers like you
haven't tested? Can you?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I found myself saying the how to a couple of people,
and I didn't know what was I going to break
full onion mandarin. But at the same time I kept
kept it under wraps.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You have to try all these things to see what
what else for superpowers.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It gave you, like you, I'm it opened my mind
to kind of going all right, stuff, I'm all right
with it. I mean, I'll stop at the crystals, thank
you very much and whatnot. You know, I'm not sure
I'm fully there yet, but for the most part, I
can understand the mechanics of what went on on the weekend.
And you know, every car needs a good cleanout too,
Every engine needs a good dpelve and e g R
(15:51):
valve cleanout. So yeah, I get the mechanics of it.
I was happy with it. I felt like I could
have played rugby again for a brief period.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Do you know, So when you got to the rugby yeah,
like and you're like, yeah, this is all right, Like
how much of that was was because you were on
cloud nowing or how much of that was actually real?
Like I can kind of resonate with what you're saying
there in terms of like you didn't mind like tell
(16:20):
us about your feelings whatching the match.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I personally, I do think it was and orphans and
a lot of probiotics had me in good form anyway,
because I do you know, I was okay because I
like Welsh people. I was happy enough for them to
be absolutely ripping into Ireland at the time, but at
the same time was like, motherfuckers, Oh it should be
(16:44):
absolutely streets ahead of this. Carry on. What are we
doing here? Like there is no cuteness, there's so nothing
but naivety and we're you know, you can drop balls
and stuff like that. What in the name of what
is going on? And by the second half there was
like a period in the middle, little hord, we'll call it,
where my good feelings and good nature were being tested
(17:05):
in that moment, I'm like what what? And I mean
there were a lot of these were like a whale,
They're just incredible, like we could crush whales. Are you
fucking joking me? I know these players, you know he's
picked them in the right they've had three training sessions together.
What are we doing here now? Come on, come on
to fuck. But I kept, you know what, I kept
(17:26):
good spirit through the whole thing because it was I
wasn't overly pissed off. We got the win in the
end and everything else. But I did expect to see
Jack Crowley on about the fifty minute mark because I'm like,
this isn't working. What's going on right now? Like that?
Like had that?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Ellis knee?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Sorry to mention the knee again. I know you're you've
a hatred for these right now, but look that's the
chap names. Even look down at my own knees, I
have to look straight past them to the ankles. But
had his try, like had he scored that try? We're
(18:08):
goosed and that was all because of you know, an overkick?
Like what is going on? I could what's the residing
him was we got our bacon got saved by jameson
Gibson Park being unfucking real, Bundy coming on and just
trying to tear the world in half like he was
like ten us for the twenty add minutes or thirty
(18:31):
minutes he was on, he just ran right. But I did.
I found it very strange. I'd forgotten all about the
twenty minute red card thing and I just as accepted
we're fucked because Samprenda, guess cannot tackle. The boy just
doesn't at international level. He was at fucking Sea in
(18:52):
a couple of moments, and I'm like, these are keen
moments by you better start listening to who's outside of you,
because something's going wrong here now. Bundy came on after
twenty minutes, which I was I'm not overly. I don't
like it. And if you're off, you're off, Like that's
the that's the pearl of the game, do you know
what I mean? I think I'm not really like it was.
It was sloppy by ring Rose, I think, but I
(19:16):
mean it is what it is. Come on, we got
to win that. Happy enough with that. But I thought
it was sloppy because he's been coming out and having
people for a few months now. He was going to
get caught at some stage because your man did dip
slightly and went in another direction. He was going to
get caught at some stage. He's been folding people. Whatever
is this new thing he's and it's cool, it is
(19:38):
cool to watch, but Jesus, I mean, yeah, he like,
we got got away with it because of the twenty
minute red card thing. We got away with it because
Bundiyaki got to come on. But like, if you didn't
have a Bundiyaki to come on, who, like, if you're
a weaker team, if that was Whales and made somebody
sent off for twenty minutes, who the fuck are they
(19:59):
going to bring on? I mean all their cards are
on the table at that point, Like it's I don't know,
is a day like.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's that's the thing, Like that's better than playing with
fourteen and at least you're getting but then as well,
you're getting someone like if it is a younger or
an experienced player, like you're giving them more game time
than as well.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I suppose. Yeah, I just found I don't know, it's
it didn't sit easy with me, not because it was
a head contact or whatever, but it's like, no, you
barrow up if you've lost somebody, you've lost something. Not
that many games go to ship like.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
They do, and they happen in fucking like the the
World Cup final semifinals like you know, and and it
just people hang their hat on a red card then,
so at least that's kind of more or less gone.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Now I suppose to hang the hat to talk about.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, a tournament that's been You've been preparing for
a tournament for four years, and then a red card
deciphers how people will then talk about your success or
whatever like. But it relates that. I think it's I think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Is there is there a twenty minute red card? And
is there a straight fucking red card like nobody's coming on?
There is or there is a card right for whatever
way I was hearing that, that was like, well, this
is the so you could literally go out and just
fucking floor somebody with a punch and go, well, I've
got for twenty minutes and somebody else can come. Okay,
that's fair enough, fair enough. So it's like a double
(21:35):
yellow yellow like okay, it's like a triple yellow, so okay,
fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So yeah, because it's basically like when it's just clear
that it's not one that it hasn't been intentional, like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, okay, fair enough, Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
With a change of direction or a miscalculation where you're like,
you know, we want fucking ring roads that we have
and people, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, it is spectacular to see that when he just
absolutely couldn't people like, but what did you make of
it as a whole? I think there was a sheesh,
you know, holding your collar open for a second, going
we got away with that one.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Like I always say, I'm fucking sick of us being
top of the world between world cups, like we need
ship like this, I'm delighted for Whales, Like couldn't be
happier for the actual the country of Wales, especially with
all the ship talk of like you know, to spend
their union and like you know, the kind of extreme
(22:38):
it just again just disproves like these extreme like reactions
are just just be patient with, like give it a
bit of time. I feel so sorry for Warren Gatland And.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh my god, I was going to ask you that
Jesus Christ, what would.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But in terms of sorry, we can talk about way
for it. So what were you going to say about
I was.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Just gonna I was gonna ask you, like like you know,
gets walking for the you know, he's walking through you know,
departures at the airport or whatever. He's dragging his thing, going, well,
it is what it is. You know, we could do
what we can, only do what we can do together,
and that's that. And then he walks past like a
TV monitor just got the game and he's like, what
the fuck where were you? Because you know, I mean
(23:23):
the only wonder one. Yeah, he put the charette, put
people in, you know, in positions that were supposed to
be in, brought like nothing wrong with Anskhim. Why was
he hanging around in the premiership still, like like he
was where he was supposed to be. And this kid,
yeah who we also offer scarlets during the ORC, like
you know, he's class the twenty one year old Ellis knee,
(23:46):
you know, like he's he deserved a shot and he
got it. But sorry, yeah you're feeling sorry or.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I was, but that's coaches. Like coaches get hang ups
and things like doesn't mean that they're fucking right or around.
Like it's just the coach has to pick a team
and they you know, but I agree, like it does
make him look a little look a little bit foolish.
But I don't think it's just down to those one
(24:15):
or two players, like you could have brought in Anto
one DuPont and still not be able to achieve anything.
So it's just thought about mentality and fuck like that.
That was That was ninety percent of it, the mentality.
But I wonder what Warren Gatland was doing for the weekend,
Like he definitely just went off to a remote island
and was like, turn off all the tellies, I don't
(24:37):
give a fuck like and he definitely there's no way
he was watching it or.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, he was out on a whale watching trip out
in the off the Orkney Islands with no mobile. He
left them moment the mobile back in the BnB. I
guarantee you he's out there. Just what was said of
monoculars gone. I can't remember what I did last week,
to be honest with you, I don't think I had
a job last week. I'm just going to look from Wales,
(25:04):
little whales and.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This fucking this humpback whale comes flying out of the
order and it's like, howd on whales? He's like, what
was that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Boy? Anyway? Going back to Ireland because anyway that's that
from that sort of things, I'm delighted for Wales and
I don't think it does us any harm. The whole
Sam prender Gas thing now is interesting because kind of
like you were saying last week, you're trying to not
let it get to you and kind of trying to
(25:40):
be like fuck it. Yeah, like we're we're on this
boat now, we'll just give Obviously it's Sam Prendergas turn.
But I refer back to that point of like if
it was me and Jack Carl's position, and I understand,
you gave me last six nations. Now he's getting the
six nations, but he seems to be getting a little
bit more then I would have got over run at things.
(26:04):
It would make me feel like he's the one that
you want in there because you've already got me and
I've already proved myself, so why why do you need
to go finding someone else? Like if Jack Harley wasn't
on the bench being like fucking put me on, like
get me in there. So I know, like I I
(26:24):
there's two sides to it. I was thinking that and
I was like, fucking I love Jack Carley to come
in here now and have an accolute crack at this.
And then there was the part of me that was like,
you know, the one that's trying to stay on board
with the whole project. You know, it's good for Sam,
Prinda guests to see out the game. Like was that
was that how Arland were thinking? Were they like, you know,
(26:47):
in terms of management, were they like, Nope, let's let's
make prinder Gas stay on till the end. See it out,
fucking see it till the end, see how this feels,
and not try to either protect him by bringing him
off or I just couldn't understand what was going on,
(27:10):
Like he in any in any day where where it's
a must win match, he had to come off like
it was just going so badly. But is this the
Six Nations where there like, look, we don't mind how
the results go. We just want players that are good
enough to get us past a quarter final in the
next World Cup.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I was thinking and kind of hoping that that's what
they're thinking. Was But at the same time, it's not
the standard from the IR review. The R review want
to win matches every single match because it makes them
a bottle money. Like they did they get six point
seven pounds. I think if they win the Six Nations
like so, I can only believe. I can't believe that
(27:54):
they're thinking at an international level. He joined the Six
Nations at home and playing badly against Wales, that they
would go, I'll be good for the kid when you're going,
hold on, there's twenty two other players out there. They
don't give a fuck about the kid. They want to meddle,
like they surely were thinking. The thinking must be that
(28:15):
they haven't enough faith in Jack Crowley to come on
and do the job better than what Sam Prendergast was doing,
even though the world and their mother was looking going,
No printer Gast, he's done here like at the minute,
like he I mean, they're you know, he's been lauded
for this, you know, fifty twenty two, you know, spiral great,
(28:37):
But like dad ain't going to beat fucking friends, do
you know what I mean? Like, that's not going to
beat friends. And if Jack, if Jack Crowley does get
to look in against friends, he hasn't played since the
beginning of February. He hasn't touched a rug, you know,
a competitive ball since the beginning of February. Really, like
if by the time he gets to play them on
March eight, So I mean, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But on on that, like it is very confusing, and
again like go go talking about the Jack Curlely thing.
Are they afraid to give Jack Crowley the crack at
it because they know that it will disprove there what
they want to do then, which is keep prendergas there,
(29:21):
So like they want to pick That's what they've obviously
that's what they want. So if Jack Crowley came in
was able to whip the game around, and everyone then
is like fucking Crowley save the day, and they're all
raging because they're like, fuck, we really we want to
(29:44):
pick Prendergast again, but we can't because it's so obvious
now that Jack Crowley is the one that's gonna win
it for us because of what he's been able to do,
Like are they not? Are they purposely? That's what coaches do,
like like you know, like.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It was very interesting because like my conspiracy I love
a good conspiracy theory, right, and I'm not I'm not
shy about saying that. And I was literally driving up
to Dublin thinking almost that exact same thing. But I
was like, imagine if Crowley came on fifty minutes himself
was having a howler fifty minutes and he absolutely shoots
(30:22):
the lights out, like I mean, you know, Johnny Wilkinson
style stuff, like just incredible. It makes himself as you know,
all gurus will tell you to make yourself undeniable, like
will they be? Does that just mean you're starting against
France Son and that's it? Or then my brain coincidentally
(30:43):
with where your brain has gone and went, could they
absolutely do that and still still fucking jack him out
of the fucking starting twenty two against Frank you know,
if he played a blinder because I and it's interesting
to say that to do that, is that an ego
fucking thing?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Then?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because this is the national team we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's only one of the kind of general's advocate kind
of ways of looking at it. But I feel like
that's how I would feel if I was Jack Crowley.
But again, it's so easy to talk like this from
the outside when the conversations and this is what I
always say, like I hope like that the conversations are
(31:25):
open and honest and everyone knows where they stand, like
and like, if surely Jack Crowley goes up to the
coach afterwards and it's like, what the what was the
thought process there?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The only thing and this is this is the very unsexy,
non conspiratorial thing, right The only thing now I'd say
it's conspiratorial because it was never put to bed by
easter Be after the match. The only thing I was
thinking was at that stage Jack Crow he was the
only one covering the backs and they were like, do
(32:05):
we burn us up here? Because and then macnson went
off with it and he was you know, he went
to full back I think, and Jamie Arsbourne went up
into the wing. That was the only thing. I was like,
are they keeping him reserve just in case another fucking
back goes down or gets you know or whatever? That
was the only now I was clutching the straws of
(32:25):
that and I thought, well that's what we will say.
Oh no, he didn't say it. He just said we
finished it out how we thought we saw best. Basically,
in other words, we don't bad and all as Prendegast
is playing, we don't see crowdy doing a better job,
which blows my mind because the glaring, with the glaring
(32:45):
things that that Prendegast, there's two Now that I don't
want to back. I'm not bashed. Let he's class at
some things he can do. But two fucking tries and
two glaring tries, one on the line where he was
at I know what the fuck he was. He was
off the fucking mortar in his head. He was on
the wrong side of the fucking pole on the post.
(33:06):
And then when the try, you know, when the drive
did come in, he just tapped the guy in the
bag when it came to the where the fullback came
up in front of him, and I mean marginal bit
of footworking put on. He was grabbing fucking butterflies. Your
man was gone a meter away before he started swiping
at the air. It was like, what in the name
(33:27):
of Christ? How has nobody taught you how fast this happens?
And the one thing that Jack Crowley has over and
has had over all the fucking the outhouse we've had
in the last ten years is an absolute crippler of
a tackler. He can hit you like a center, do
you know what I mean? He's got tackling down even
like Jesus Christ, we need to button up the ship
(33:47):
here like and you know that would be my thinking,
and possibly I would imagine a lot more people going
Sam's having a howler in the old tackling department, Let's
bring on our really good tackling out half that we
have on the bench. That was what. But it would
seem that I think you're right and that they were like, no,
he's brind against the boy and that's that We're going
to put some meat on him, teach him how to tackle.
(34:10):
He'll be the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's that's what. That's what I'm so not to become
a cynic and not like turn on Lrige match and
be like Fox's sake, this is this is what they're doing.
This is like how they're manipulating it. And I don't
want to feel like that about about about watching Ireland,
like I do think that I'm gonna go with the
fact that you know you're talking about Ireland have to win.
(34:37):
You know, Ireland wants to win to make all this money, sorry,
but to still make money if they they don't win,
Like with the amount of money they're charging for people
going to games, they're still making money. There's a new
director for rugby like it's that that was certainly the
David news for a way to kind of create your
success record while other teams are building. It's a new
(35:00):
director of rugby. Surely the ir few is embarrassed with
with like and wants to be taken seriously as like,
world number one ranked team is such an embarrassing Like
we were so proud of it and now it's become
an embarrassment to have seen world number one it is
and never made it to a workup finals. Surely, surely
(35:23):
they have changed their approach to trying to win six
nations every year when other teams are getting their World
Cup teams in order.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, you know what, So I'm I'll go with that then,
And I'm if that is the case, you're going to
go with that. If that is the case, then I'm
because we've we've we've harped on about this. If that
is the case and they're just trying to build an
out half, then I'm all right for the World Cup.
I'm all right with that. I'm like, Okay, that's been said,
(35:53):
it's back here exactly. But that being said, Jack Crowley
isn't exactly ancient. He's twenty four or twenty five, you
know what I mean. Like, so it's not exact, he'll
be there too. So if that's what they're doing, then okay.
And I guess when you look at it, you're like, okay,
we just brought on Bundieki. He'll show up, you know,
you know where he's failing in defense and he's got
(36:17):
Jameson gives a park playing out of his skin like
that was a cool kick. That wanted that chip over
the top for like that are Nicole scored some cool
tries Now that's a cool try to score where James
low paddlet back down for Jamie Osborne is like that's okay,
that's cool. That is cool. Yeah, And tip of the
(36:38):
cap I think needs to go to Peter Romani. We
played the fool Eadien nineteen tackles. That's that's tidy, going
getting onto the important things and the real negative of
the whole thing. And thanks bit of God, you said
it to me, you text me just before before and
it was the abstinu heck of them jerseys. What we got.
(37:01):
We went from the commemborative jersey, which was absolutely beautiful.
Now I know I know why we're wearing white. I
get it because they colorlind. People can't see green and red,
different difference in green red. I know that, but that's
the thing, but we could have made a better hand
in the jersey.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
White. Sorry, sorry, keep going there.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
No, I was just saying, like it looked like an
art student, you know, from gave it a go. I
was like, come on, we can do better than this.
Am I wrong? Is the white not? Can we not
play green against red because of the because of the
color blind people?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
No, that's it, but the white isn't necessarily what I
was referring to. I was referring to, like the jersey
that we have at the moment, Like this season jersey
is absolutely cat It's one of the worst arst jerseys
I think I've ever seen. And I hate saying that
because someone obviously went out and designed that, and like
I hate to like kind of attack someone's work. Honestly,
(38:01):
just I really really dislike it. And then, like you say,
the fucking commemorative jersey, which is probably the nicest ilish
jersey I've ever seen, was worn one time, So not
referring to the white jersey, I just think it was
highlighting how horrendous this season's jersey is in another light.
But yeah, it's the first time since the beginning of
(38:23):
the tournament that Ireland have worn a different color to green,
So it is cool, like France do it. Like France
changed their jersey, so does Italy. I don't think anyone
else needs to change their jersey for Six Nations Scotland
maybe the Scotland change between white and Navy.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
They do.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, there's three blue teams there, but Ireland, Wales or
England have never had to change to an alternative strip
in the Six Nations and first time in however many years.
So I thought it was cool, Like it's I saw
all the people given out on line obviously about like
you know, affecting.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Tradition and oh no, it's only.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
For a small minority of it. It was like that,
like they're entitled to watch, like literally doesn't make a difference,
Like of course you want like rugby like that the
rent we had last week about like the inclusivity of rugby,
like that is one of the best things about rugby.
So I think it's cool to change up with tradition
like that, like for the inclusivity of people who basically
(39:27):
cannot tell the difference between the two teams.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Like it's such a simple thing to do and you said, yeah,
could bring on the white. I'm not no problem that
just the same as you. The design is cat Melosia.
It's and I will say, whoever got the job wherever
they put it out the tender to paint the Guinness
symbol in the middle of them pitch. They got some
(39:50):
cheap quotes, I'll tell you, and went with the cheapest
because whatever baliks what out and Kindergartens fucking us and
paid to the pitch. They clearly didn't let it dry
or got the cheapest ship they get down the woodies
because everybody was destroying it, fucking destroyed. I wonder like
(40:14):
Guinness must be bullow with that going on, What the fuck?
What are you doing? We're now getting slagged off because
our like our marketing. We've pent millions in marketing for
this tournament and now our own logo has been smooged
all over people's face. What I wouldn't Yeah, it was
(40:35):
a base but yeah, I probably I was probably doing
it to myself at the time. But at the same time,
if you were head of marketing in Guinness, I guarantee
you some furgniture was fuck moved around the office come Monday, morning.
I can tell you that much right now, going what
was that?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
They would have done that on purpose? You think?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
So, oh Jesus right, yes, put me right off.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
We just hand it over.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It did make the Pondiaki look super cool with blood
and black paint all over him as he was flexing,
going absolutely Banana's going around trying to eat people. It
was amazing. He looked a part with black Yeah, yeah, yeah,
to be fair, but it looks cool. He looked cool
to be fair, that all knows. And I'd say there's
not a lot of machinery left up in that nose anymore.
(41:27):
I'd say it's I would imagine the chassis brint and broken,
that borrel nose. I'd say, the way he like he
tackles on his face, so like, I don't, I don't
think it makes much of a difference to Pontiaki. But yeah, listen,
we got the win. I'm fearful of France because can
you imagine the la rouge pain that would be drawn
(41:50):
around Sam Prenda guest on every fucking whiteboard. But they
have just going what's the French for kill jewey? Well
they be it, yes to all? Yeah, I would imagine
it'll be if Sam starts. My god, i'd say tape
on the shoulder, pads led because you're going to have
(42:10):
a busy afternoon. They're not even going to try and
go past twelve. They're just they're just gonna come straight
down your channel. It's going to be hefty because you
would you'd be looking your lips. You think yourself as
a player, like if you know as a number eight too,
you'd go joec yeah, and I'm not. I'm just running
at forty five degrees straight at the tent to see
(42:32):
what will happen. Yeah, you know, there you go. People
literally from the words of a of a number eight,
no quems no, maybe it's no nothing, just going to
one hundred percent. I'm going.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah and looking the lips like honestly, if I if
I watched footage like that during the week, knowing it
was us up next, like fucking yes, give me.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
The ball, Like the monsters that Francis like actual straight
out of Marvel, some of the humans that they have.
Magine Winnea Antonio getting off in a cant going off
on a canter all I've been in space and all
of a sudden he's up to about seventeen miles an hour.
You're like, well, your man, your man's then get him,
(43:20):
Jesus Christ, be like Trump, biscuits and a bear. It
just would not work. But we'll, we'll. I mean, I
watched the first half. I missed. This is mad like
and this happens to me the whole time. The such
a dramatic thing. So I watched the first half Do
at the Parents, and then I missed probably twenty five
(43:40):
minutes of the second half, and I went, that's fine,
trail Italy are still in it. That's fine, that's fine,
that's fine. It turns out and saying, oh Jesus Christ,
what has happened? Because that first half Italy were there,
weren't they? They like did some cool moves, you know,
Malonchello Angel looked amazing. But then fucking do plant happened?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He operates in another dimension and because everybody knows watching
him like it's you know, but it's like the guy
is just out for a jobt He's just.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But also he didn't play well the week before. We
have ever said that, and we didn't get such a
last week actually because we obviously missed the week where
I was injured, so good to the podcast, but we
actually didn't get to talk about that at all, that
he actually didn't play well the week before, so I
(44:40):
can't I'd say he didn't sleep for the whole two
weeks waiting for this match to come around again so
he could just be like now about the doubters because
people were like, oh, oh, the golden boy, like he's
not so golden, is he? And then he just couldn't
wait to fucking put that a bit.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And I suppose the rest of the French team not
just to put it all on hill show to the
rest of the French team, but maybe he's like the
heartbeat of the team, you know what I mean. But
like they were dropping balls, they were doing all there's
a stupid shit and then on Sunday like it was
not it was worthing. You know, none of that was happening.
It was awful clicking and poor out Italy, as you
are titled today, Poor out Italy. You're going, ah, lads,
(45:21):
this is like the old days.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
This is like the old days. This orts, this.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Orts though, Jesus Christ. But we we have them at
March eighth. So do you know what the whales thing
I mean, if if you're really thinking and trying to
draw the positives set of everything, you go, well, this
is a kickop your whole because he got away with
it against Wales. But Luk, who's coming down the track
(45:46):
and just put seventy three points on Italy? It was
the seventy three or seventy five of who knows who
cares at that stage, just like, yeah, look light up
the fags Leeds let them off like it's it's it's
a kind of a Gary prospect. But I suppose this
is a good humbler, isn't It pulls it down back
off whatever high mountain you were running around and going
(46:08):
they were the best team in the world and nobody
could ever wait wailed their ahead. How is this happening?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
So yeah, I never did. I I know, what did
you come across them online? Because I did? I share
some of his stuff. But there's a fellow I know
for years. I used to play Touch Ruggy with him
in in Twickenham. His name is Roger. He's Welsh. He's
a content creator.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
He told me about him, yes, oh yeah, only we.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Were talking around the podcast so that he's basically run
a mile for every point of difference in a game
that Wales loses. Yes, and oh jesus, what was the
score in the first week? He like an ultramer like
after the first week to six Nations. But actually and
he was like dreading the Irish game because he with
(47:00):
many others were like this is going to be an
absolute blood bat And he ended up only run in
five nine nine miles in the end, only only nine
point to the point difference.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
In the brilliant well rodri You're welcome. Did they play?
Have they played friends yet? Have we placed friends yet?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah? That was the Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
God, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Jesus, right,
well done England. England are still in it. That's kind
of weird, isn't it. They've kind of won two games
to fish and one at all. England are kind of
still technically in it, like if we friends, right, if
we lost the friends, it's all to play for? Is
(47:44):
that bad?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Probably feel like they should be winning it as well
since they beat us last year, but like as in
they they would have come into it this year maybe
with that mindset. But like we know, ever spoke about
and I feel like we spoke so much more about
Finn Russell last year two years ago. Now we were like,
(48:07):
you're talking about Finn Russell all the time, but uh,
how secondary for Finn Russell like missing penalty or sorry,
it's the penalty conversion to win it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, I mean, Jesus Christ have all felt as you'd
put you know, because he can he's cool as a breeze,
like he can do that. But you know, I don't know,
to get him or just just miskicked it or whatever.
But yeah, yeah, you think. But again they should have
won it like it was there for it was there
for Scotland to win it, the same as France the
(48:41):
week before completely played chite and it would see in
the English media from when I kind of go, keep going,
who do you know? But then again you have to
be kind of in the game. You have to be
in it, in and in and round, like you can't
just barely accidentally win him actually, but you need to
be close. But Jesus like fair play, do you know what?
(49:05):
We say it every year, but this is a crack
in six nations. I'd like to see a bit more
out of poorer Italy. Then again, they did beat Wales
like boat it's good and keeping things good and interesting
anyway if nothing else, because we're here now rubbing our chins,
going well, we're going to whales and we're friends, do
you know? So it's nobody's running away with it for sure.
(49:28):
Even though they were talking Ireland would at the beginning
of it. Ireland definitely after that performance are not running
away with it. So it's giving us something to talk
about it. Are you interested in? So Death's cool. We
have a down week, a relaxing week. Of course, the
problems are playing our beloved Monster are playing Edinburgh. Speaking
(49:49):
speaking of which, Friday night they're playing Edinburgh and I
will be in dun Garvin. Uh oh yeah. The tour
is selling well, by the way, great where we have
people winter shows, which is great. But what's the deal
with Ben Healy? I haven't looked into it. I need
to google on Ben Healey. See what's happening?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Oh yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
He was he was kind of golden boy snatched by
the Scottish Union. You'll play for Scotland forever. And I
don't think he's even starting for Edinburgh these days. Whatever's
that happened? Also a little quick side note, I don't
think we spoke about it last week. Lord of Irish
maybe coming back. How fucking cool is that?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Oh yeah, that is cool. Yeah, Eddie Jordan's gonna buy it.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
But Shereddie Jordan's cool. He knows how to build things
like and you know here what got me excited, right
he wants to go into the u r S. He's like,
I don't want none of that premiership shit, which is hilarious,
Like it's just mad because it's like, nah, I'll take
the UORC, thank you, because that's going places. But the
thing what I'm tying in was he could give he
(50:55):
would not be shy, and he could set presidents because
he's coming from formerly one technically, you know, he's away
from it. But although he's a commentator on now, but
Drive to Survive is one of the best, you know,
flying the Wall shows you'll ever watch, even if you
don't give a shit about F one, it's one of
the best shows you'll ever watch. And that's what the
(51:18):
rugby Netflix should have been is a copy of that.
So I wonder would he set a president then, and
going we're an open book, lets an coom and by
the way, all your players, you're giving him everything they want.
We're making this cool. Do you know It's not just
some schlip who's just you know, an investment guy or
(51:39):
investment company. It's a guy. It's a guy, a sporting icon.
I suppose a sporting you know, personality who's going to
hopefully make now apparently he's a big ball of money
to pay back first before they actually can get a
club going together. Super cool, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
In terms of classical flute's the picture like it's there
a video going around Eddie Jordan and Michael Flatley having
a sing song at the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Best friends, the three him, Michael Flatley and Eric Roberts
Julie Roberts's brother, all great mates.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What on art I here? Sorry? I mean, I'm sorry
that we don't have more time to get into that
this evening. But hang on of a headline, let's come
up here now. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan to be named new.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Monster coach from where Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Clayton McMillian will departs Chiefs coach at the end of
Super Rouge season. Mmm, Irish club Monster go ahead. We
coached the All Blacks fifteen against last year. He emerged
as the bookie's favorite for a role which is remain
vager monsters and supermon reading out the news here now,
(53:01):
but there you go, Q coach coming in to Monster.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
There you go. I just see, yeah, it's up right now,
Monster announcement Millings next heads coach? Is that where is
that where Ali Ali Eager came from? Came out of
came back from out of the Chiefs. I think it was.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
That's a good We've seen that like kids from Uel
go on placement in the Chiefs for like their their
co op and stuff like in the Chiefs rugby clubs.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
So oh so there's that kind of relationship already. I
know they had a bit of a one with the
Hurricanes all right because of Jason Holland. I think had
kind of set up one. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, so right,
that's very great breaking news people. As you hear this,
I'll put this, yeah, brilliant. What do you know? What
(53:51):
good news?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
That is good news. And I also I got tickets
for some Cup games, even though I didn't think to
get on in the final, which was stupid because that
final will be hard to get tickets for it because
you'll more than likely be England and Canada in the
final and it's obviously on in England. And took them
so anyway, but I hope I, well, we'll see. But
(54:15):
I got tickets for that because they went. They released
another batch from this week and then I wanted them
and I was bringing them up last week. But there'll
be twenty times over next few weeks to talk about this.
But the the draw that the rug, the last qualifying
rounds for the World, the Men's World Couper going on
like over the next couple of months, So that's interesting
to keep an eye out for us, keep keep people
(54:35):
updated on that because that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to see who comes forward to
the carry on in Spain and the Portugal thing and everything. Yes, absolutely,
and of course the photo ops and all the rest
of the launch of the women's six Nations which kicks
off in three weeks. But will keep you abreast of
that as well.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
In the Rotten Jersey, I saw it and I was like,
I can't believe there's still photo shoots going on with
this jersey and it's not finished yet, like it's kind
of opened.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
They'd get a new jersey summer tour. Never Jesus Christ
to win. Oh desperate, right, I text you after last
week's podcast. People are for every anybody wondering, I text
you after. At the end we signed off everything with
mind the Rocks. I literally meant that, every bit of
(55:25):
that for and her head like it's like if ever
there was credence and solidity and verification of a tagline
at the end of a podcast, Mind the Rocks and
I can she can vote for her Mind the Rocks everyone,
and mind the Knees inside the Rocks. On the Turkey
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BA
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Robbie
It's the Bananas Rugby Pod. Already had a few cups
of tea today, so I didn't make one for the podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, well you made it sound like you were making
it for the guests. But hey, everybody, we've just enjoined us.
That was a perfect start. Actually, I had a couple
of cups of tea no today, so one for the podcast.
We were we were high energy here talking about tea
related Soneta scenarios. Welcome to the podcast. It's Banana and
Bear's Rugby podcast. And we are here and Anna has
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gone for not a player that although I thought you'd
go for Bundiaki, I thought you would go for Bundiac,
but I'm pretty sure you picked him before you went
for poor Italy where they'll featured some stage in today's show.
But most importantly, how are you keeping because people have
him have been asking in the real world. I told
you yesterday I was at the mechanics and he Popy
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said I was, I was on his head.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That was very nice, as the Mechanic film said, I'm okay,
I'm still not fully better, which yeah, which is frustrating
because now I do feel an awful lot better like
I did go out on Saturday and I went to
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Larshall's Top fourteen game and I I went to watch
the Irish game like in the bar up there, which
is kind of what I'm finding is darker places are
making me dizzy. As close as I am to the daylight, yeah,
the better I feel. So I actually watched the first
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half of Ireland most of the game Ireland and Wales
in in the stadium because you know, there's big bars
in big light, and actually went rather well. But I left.
I left. I was wearing air plugs to the match
and everything, just to make sure that there wasn't any
like odd sound. It's all been going well, but then
just when I as soon as I start to kind
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of concentrate too closely on something, my head will start
to spin. So that's disappointing and frustrating. And I've got
a real fright. I feel like it was since I
spoke to you last week. You know obviously, like listeners
to the show will know, and anyone who who who
would have seen it on my stories would like, I'm
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going to retire now, Like at the end of the season.
I got such a fright, thinking like Jesus have actually
is it actually already done, and I don't know. It's like,
have I already actually played my last game? So I've
got a big fright. But then I started to feel
better again. But now since yesterday it's kind of slowed
up again, so I don't know, I don't know where
I'm at. It's it's just a game of just being
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patient is all you can do with it. But I
am going back to work tomorrow, so hopefully that goes
well and doesn't bring on, like any major symptoms. And yeah,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You're further down the track though than you were, say,
two and a half weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and I bought mushrooms, yes, yes, what did you buy?
And I've been taking my line. I've been taking my
lines made because I've got lines made in the shades good.
And then I bought the Turkey Tail, like literally when
you inntioned me, I just went straight online and I
bought it because I just wanted to try everything, obviously,
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and there's no like, there's no there's no like illegal
illegal substance testing in even though it does say it's tested,
like usually I wouldn't take the risks with something if
it just said it on its label like I would
go through a doctor and everything to make sure that
it wasn't a band substance included, you know, or anything
like that or that. But I there's no substance testing
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in this league, so you can actually take the things
you want.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So you put on the flip side, like you could
be like jacked out of your mind and nobody's got
there liked grown sideburns ace this r or less. What's
the story there? She's actually taller and wider. No, I
think she's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's crazy. I know that it's a it's a thing,
and I think we've spoken of this before as well,
like it's a thing in men's rugby, like and in
school school's rugby. You know, there's a debate around bringing
in testing and stuff in school boys rugby. I have
never ever come across anything like that women's rugby. Like
it is. People are so cautious about it, Like we
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had so many presentations on it, like when we were
paying for Ireland and in the premiership and everything just
about how careful you to be, Like you can't just
go into a pharmacy and buy vitamin C, for example,
Like you have to go through the doctor, like get
something that's like like sports approved, sports Ireland approved. It
might be approved in one country and not on the next,
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so according to your union. So like, it's so funny
how aware we were of it. But I never ever
came across anything like that in women's rugby, never in
any player in any club, not like I never.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Saw it, Please God. Turkey tail is for anybody wonder
she hasn't bought like a bunch of turkey tails and
going to fan herself or becoming some druid with which
or something and started pinning them to her clothes. They're
might do you know what that'd be? All right? They grow,
they grow everywhere. They grow in Ireland as well, turkey tail,
and they're brilliant. Look a mushroom. They're like a frill
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with like a streak. Throw a couple of streaks from
and hence they looked like a bronze turkey tale. But
this room itself actually helps with sell regrowth in the brain.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So you might grow in France as well, Like I
was reading up about it, what was a polypoor that's
how it's That's how it said in French. But they
grow in France as well. But it couldn't find like
you can't find a supplement of it, So I'm getting
it like from the States, so that's in here in Ireland,
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like where like over the counter.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hold on one second, now, hold on one second.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Are you forging in your garden?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm like people have gone
you go foraging because we live in a forest basically.
But I'm like, you know what, I'm going to leave
it to people that grow and this is one of them. Irish's.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
When I was looking it up, like in France, that's
what all the advice was was where to pack it? Yeah,
I was like, I don't, I won't know how to
do that. I definitely pick poisonous thing and end up
that would be some story for the podcast. So look,
if the podcast doesn't come back next week, you can
put your put the money on the on me going
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foraging for for mushroom that will help my concussion and
end up fucking keeping the buckets instead.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Do you know what one second I did right.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Kick in the pocket the flip And now I hope
he's all right, not wishing death on anyone, but the
flipping Pope is sick. And if he dies before the weekend,
of the Six Nations, Roome is going to be absolutely mobbed,
like forget the vespertur, like there will be no chance
to that. I was literally Francis, who can hold on
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a while to the Six Nations is over?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
At least he will, I know he will. He loves
his rugby as Francis. So there's a crowd called Powerful
dot E and they do turkey tail mushroom extract. So
they do it and droplet form for underneach your tongue.
That's that's the crowd of linesmen I use. This podcast
has mentioned him a few times, but we're not associated
with him. But I want your brain to get strong also.
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But here's the great thing about this podcast. You were saying,
when I have to concentrate heavy, you know it brings
on migraines and whatnot. This is the least strenuous rugby
podcast has ever been creative. We do talk about rugby, but.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've had to turn I've had to turn down all
the other podcasts because this is the only one I'm
able for. They've all been calling me like any we
need drink like no, sorry, too much. Concentration the only place.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's the only place because the rest you're just gonna
wither the hair out of my head, like Jesus, Mary
and Joseph. Well, that's good, it's good. You're on the men.
People are concerned, but you're you're going to pull through.
You're you're going to be fine. You're come out stronger.
You're probably you know, you might. I don't know. You
might give us another year. Who knows, because if you've
lost a couple of matches now, you might even give
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us another year. Who knows. I'm just saying, I'm just
putting it out there. You might come back fitter and
stronger than it is. So I do you want to
hear about my mad weekend?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't wait to hear about your mad weekend.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So we gigging anyway as per normal in Clean and
Tuller More, two lovely places. But in between that, I
got approached a couple of months ago by this company
that do it's not alternative, but it's it's like it's
health stuff, but it's things like you know, red light
therapy and stuff like that. But they the one that
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they wanted me to trial form was this hydroclonic therapy. Yeah,
so I was kind of going our Jesus and normally
when I get approached by any of these things, they're
absolutely not in my wheelhouse. And I go, yeah, Jesus,
you know, I'd say here and I'd give them a
suggestion of somebody that would be suited to that kind
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of thing. But the next thing, they sent me the
video of the previous guests that they had are on
and doing this thing, and they asked you ten funny
questions during the process, and it was Lewis Capaldi. So
I went, fucking Lewis Capaldy's done it, so Jesus. And
then my wife was like, oh, what's going on. I
went and I just explained to you your so doing that,
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you have to do that, but like I don't think
can neat it. So it's exactly what you imagine, only
it's the more therapeutic version than the medical version of
being washed out, if you know what I mean. It
is a calonic, but it's a very no, it's a
very very very subtle, and there is a enjoyable and
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therapeutic way of doing it. It's very very subtle because
I wasn't ready for, you know, I wasn't ready for
to be sluiced out like a cow.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Right I was just wondering, how subtle can you put
a hose up your hole?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, here's the thing. It's the tiniest hose in the
history of hoses. If you imagine at the size of
a big pen, the actual tube of a big pen.
It's even thinner than that, right, But it's all done
through you. You're not just thrown on the side of
a bed and some fellow's root in at the back
ends with the fucking dison Like it's not. You actually
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sit up on this big and a therapeutic kind of
it looks like a giant motorbike. And then the floor
kind of drops drops out of it, so you're kind of, yeah,
it is a bit. It is some fucking spin, I'll
tell you. And then the insertion happens and the water
is and the whole lot just wash itself and you're
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I'll be honest with you, I'm a very regular person.
I don't think I would have benefited from it like
a lot of people would. But the big thing that
I got the kick from it immediately got rid of
my cold, like I was coughing and spluttering an every
done in there. But they after the Yeah, I swear
to God, because it washes out any toxin that's in
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your intestine at all, like there's nothing left. But what
they do is they reintroduced a leader of probiotic, very
strong probiotic, and that goes back in. And I'm not
joke with you. I would I would have challenged you
to a sprint in that moment with my two bad ankles.
I'm a bad hip, I would. I'm not. I came
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out of like i'd say, I'm about five years younger.
This is unbelievable. And at lasted I went that night,
I had a very good gig Shallby. It was just
an unbelievable not and else it was like a mental cleense.
It was like Jesus Christ, I am physically the cleanest
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human in this entire city in Dublin. I'm the cleanest
human on the insides anyway right now. It was phenomenal.
It was phenomenal. It was I will give them tip
of the cap and we did our funny questions in between.
While there. It's all very very like what's the word
I'm looking for. It's a very subtle and for the client,
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do you know what I mean? So you don't at
any stage feel like you're in a medical unit. You
feel like you're in a spare. Do you know what
I mean, you're actually in a spare. I would say
I would advise it. I would advise it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Can I ask what it is?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I think I don't know. They it was complimentary and
that all the other treatments were complementary as well. So
it was a company. I think it starts at one
hundred and twenty quid for that bit, and then the
red light is another thing, and then there was kind
of another treatment thing that I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Like you know, like I'm just kind of going back
to the whole sports thing and like you know, feeling
like coaches or doctors and stuff come up with ways
like you know, kind of like like doping used to
be and then it became illegal, like all the ways
that people figure things out, Like I wonder what teams,
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for example, like sports teams start to use something like this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I mean, it's in a big week. Like prior to
ice bats, they were known as that was pure woo shit,
like you know what I mean, it was like yeah, exactly, yeah,
only yogi's and fucking jiu jitsu masters set you know,
in cold water and you're going to look at this pollox.
I mean, I have a whole bit in my new
show ripping fucking ice bats, even though I'm okay with him.
But that was too But now it's a science and
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it's this, that and the other, and this is this
is big in America. Sorry, shout out to the name
the company. It's called Vitality. It's on Dorcet Street beside
the matter. And this is Dave. She's brought this, This
is these this equipment over from America essentially where it's done.
You know, they know how to mind themselves and treat themselves,
you know what I mean? This is I felt like
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a Kardashian's eut there to be honest, I'm like, I
don't deserve this level of internal pampering that's going on
right now. This is scandalous. It was, Yeah, it made
for a bit and then I got to watch the match,
and yeah, I mean I was okay with the match.
I was actually in good form, where normally i'd be
roorn at that carry on. So yeah, I would I
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would advise anybody to go to it if at any point,
and you don't have to feel blowd you don't have
to feel wrecked, and but it does. It took the
black rings from underneath my eyes immediately like at a
big and cleared up my eyesight. My ey eyes have
been a bit found in the last couple of weeks.
I'm not joke with you.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It gave you the ability to play the classical flute
like like the cleaned up your eyes as you got
rid of your cold. Like what other superpowers like you
haven't tested? Can you?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I found myself saying the how to a couple of people,
and I didn't know what was I going to break
full onion mandarin. But at the same time I kept
kept it under wraps.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You have to try all these things to see what
what else for superpowers.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It gave you, like you, I'm it opened my mind
to kind of going all right, stuff, I'm all right
with it. I mean, I'll stop at the crystals, thank
you very much and whatnot. You know, I'm not sure
I'm fully there yet, but for the most part, I
can understand the mechanics of what went on on the weekend.
And you know, every car needs a good cleanout too,
Every engine needs a good dpelve and e g R
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valve cleanout. So yeah, I get the mechanics of it.
I was happy with it. I felt like I could
have played rugby again for a brief period.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Do you know, So when you got to the rugby yeah,
like and you're like, yeah, this is all right, Like
how much of that was was because you were on
cloud nowing or how much of that was actually real?
Like I can kind of resonate with what you're saying
there in terms of like you didn't mind like tell
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us about your feelings whatching the match.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I personally, I do think it was and orphans and
a lot of probiotics had me in good form anyway,
because I do you know, I was okay because I
like Welsh people. I was happy enough for them to
be absolutely ripping into Ireland at the time, but at
the same time was like, motherfuckers, Oh it should be
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absolutely streets ahead of this. Carry on. What are we
doing here? Like there is no cuteness, there's so nothing
but naivety and we're you know, you can drop balls
and stuff like that. What in the name of what
is going on? And by the second half there was
like a period in the middle, little hord, we'll call it,
where my good feelings and good nature were being tested
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in that moment, I'm like what what? And I mean
there were a lot of these were like a whale,
They're just incredible, like we could crush whales. Are you
fucking joking me? I know these players, you know he's
picked them in the right they've had three training sessions together.
What are we doing here now? Come on, come on
to fuck. But I kept, you know what, I kept
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good spirit through the whole thing because it was I
wasn't overly pissed off. We got the win in the
end and everything else. But I did expect to see
Jack Crowley on about the fifty minute mark because I'm like,
this isn't working. What's going on right now? Like that?
Like had that?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Ellis knee?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Sorry to mention the knee again. I know you're you've
a hatred for these right now, but look that's the
chap names. Even look down at my own knees, I
have to look straight past them to the ankles. But
had his try, like had he scored that try? We're
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goosed and that was all because of you know, an overkick?
Like what is going on? I could what's the residing
him was we got our bacon got saved by jameson
Gibson Park being unfucking real, Bundy coming on and just
trying to tear the world in half like he was
like ten us for the twenty add minutes or thirty
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minutes he was on, he just ran right. But I did.
I found it very strange. I'd forgotten all about the
twenty minute red card thing and I just as accepted
we're fucked because Samprenda, guess cannot tackle. The boy just
doesn't at international level. He was at fucking Sea in
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a couple of moments, and I'm like, these are keen
moments by you better start listening to who's outside of you,
because something's going wrong here now. Bundy came on after
twenty minutes, which I was I'm not overly. I don't
like it. And if you're off, you're off, Like that's
the that's the pearl of the game, do you know
what I mean? I think I'm not really like it was.
It was sloppy by ring Rose, I think, but I
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mean it is what it is. Come on, we got
to win that. Happy enough with that. But I thought
it was sloppy because he's been coming out and having
people for a few months now. He was going to
get caught at some stage because your man did dip
slightly and went in another direction. He was going to
get caught at some stage. He's been folding people. Whatever
is this new thing he's and it's cool, it is
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cool to watch, but Jesus, I mean, yeah, he like,
we got got away with it because of the twenty
minute red card thing. We got away with it because
Bundiyaki got to come on. But like, if you didn't
have a Bundiyaki to come on, who, like, if you're
a weaker team, if that was Whales and made somebody
sent off for twenty minutes, who the fuck are they
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going to bring on? I mean all their cards are
on the table at that point, Like it's I don't know,
is a day like.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That's that's the thing, Like that's better than playing with
fourteen and at least you're getting but then as well,
you're getting someone like if it is a younger or
an experienced player, like you're giving them more game time
than as well.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I suppose. Yeah, I just found I don't know, it's
it didn't sit easy with me, not because it was
a head contact or whatever, but it's like, no, you
barrow up if you've lost somebody, you've lost something. Not
that many games go to ship like.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
They do, and they happen in fucking like the the
World Cup final semifinals like you know, and and it
just people hang their hat on a red card then,
so at least that's kind of more or less gone.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Now I suppose to hang the hat to talk about.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, a tournament that's been You've been preparing for
a tournament for four years, and then a red card
deciphers how people will then talk about your success or
whatever like. But it relates that. I think it's I think, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Is there is there a twenty minute red card? And
is there a straight fucking red card like nobody's coming on?
There is or there is a card right for whatever
way I was hearing that, that was like, well, this
is the so you could literally go out and just
fucking floor somebody with a punch and go, well, I've
got for twenty minutes and somebody else can come. Okay,
that's fair enough, fair enough. So it's like a double
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yellow yellow like okay, it's like a triple yellow, so okay,
fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So yeah, because it's basically like when it's just clear
that it's not one that it hasn't been intentional, like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, okay, fair enough, Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
With a change of direction or a miscalculation where you're like,
you know, we want fucking ring roads that we have
and people, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, it is spectacular to see that when he just
absolutely couldn't people like, but what did you make of
it as a whole? I think there was a sheesh,
you know, holding your collar open for a second, going
we got away with that one.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Like I always say, I'm fucking sick of us being
top of the world between world cups, like we need
ship like this, I'm delighted for Whales, Like couldn't be
happier for the actual the country of Wales, especially with
all the ship talk of like you know, to spend
their union and like you know, the kind of extreme
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it just again just disproves like these extreme like reactions
are just just be patient with, like give it a
bit of time. I feel so sorry for Warren Gatland And.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oh my god, I was going to ask you that
Jesus Christ, what would.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
But in terms of sorry, we can talk about way
for it. So what were you going to say about
I was.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Just gonna I was gonna ask you, like like you know,
gets walking for the you know, he's walking through you know,
departures at the airport or whatever. He's dragging his thing, going, well,
it is what it is. You know, we could do
what we can, only do what we can do together,
and that's that. And then he walks past like a
TV monitor just got the game and he's like, what
the fuck where were you? Because you know, I mean
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the only wonder one. Yeah, he put the charette, put
people in, you know, in positions that were supposed to
be in, brought like nothing wrong with Anskhim. Why was
he hanging around in the premiership still, like like he
was where he was supposed to be. And this kid,
yeah who we also offer scarlets during the ORC, like
you know, he's class the twenty one year old Ellis knee,
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you know, like he's he deserved a shot and he
got it. But sorry, yeah you're feeling sorry or.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I was, but that's coaches. Like coaches get hang ups
and things like doesn't mean that they're fucking right or around.
Like it's just the coach has to pick a team
and they you know, but I agree, like it does
make him look a little look a little bit foolish.
But I don't think it's just down to those one
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or two players, like you could have brought in Anto
one DuPont and still not be able to achieve anything.
So it's just thought about mentality and fuck like that.
That was That was ninety percent of it, the mentality.
But I wonder what Warren Gatland was doing for the weekend,
Like he definitely just went off to a remote island
and was like, turn off all the tellies, I don't
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give a fuck like and he definitely there's no way
he was watching it or.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No, he was out on a whale watching trip out
in the off the Orkney Islands with no mobile. He
left them moment the mobile back in the BnB. I
guarantee you he's out there. Just what was said of
monoculars gone. I can't remember what I did last week,
to be honest with you, I don't think I had
a job last week. I'm just going to look from Wales,
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little whales and.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This fucking this humpback whale comes flying out of the
order and it's like, howd on whales? He's like, what
was that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Boy? Anyway? Going back to Ireland because anyway that's that
from that sort of things, I'm delighted for Wales and
I don't think it does us any harm. The whole
Sam prender Gas thing now is interesting because kind of
like you were saying last week, you're trying to not
let it get to you and kind of trying to
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be like fuck it. Yeah, like we're we're on this
boat now, we'll just give Obviously it's Sam Prendergas turn.
But I refer back to that point of like if
it was me and Jack Carl's position, and I understand,
you gave me last six nations. Now he's getting the
six nations, but he seems to be getting a little
bit more then I would have got over run at things.
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It would make me feel like he's the one that
you want in there because you've already got me and
I've already proved myself, so why why do you need
to go finding someone else? Like if Jack Harley wasn't
on the bench being like fucking put me on, like
get me in there. So I know, like I I
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there's two sides to it. I was thinking that and
I was like, fucking I love Jack Carley to come
in here now and have an accolute crack at this.
And then there was the part of me that was like,
you know, the one that's trying to stay on board
with the whole project. You know, it's good for Sam,
Prinda guests to see out the game. Like was that
was that how Arland were thinking? Were they like, you know,
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in terms of management, were they like, Nope, let's let's
make prinder Gas stay on till the end. See it out,
fucking see it till the end, see how this feels,
and not try to either protect him by bringing him
off or I just couldn't understand what was going on,
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Like he in any in any day where where it's
a must win match, he had to come off like
it was just going so badly. But is this the
Six Nations where there like, look, we don't mind how
the results go. We just want players that are good
enough to get us past a quarter final in the
next World Cup.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I was thinking and kind of hoping that that's what
they're thinking. Was But at the same time, it's not
the standard from the IR review. The R review want
to win matches every single match because it makes them
a bottle money. Like they did they get six point
seven pounds. I think if they win the Six Nations
like so, I can only believe. I can't believe that
(27:54):
they're thinking at an international level. He joined the Six
Nations at home and playing badly against Wales, that they
would go, I'll be good for the kid when you're going,
hold on, there's twenty two other players out there. They
don't give a fuck about the kid. They want to meddle,
like they surely were thinking. The thinking must be that
(28:15):
they haven't enough faith in Jack Crowley to come on
and do the job better than what Sam Prendergast was doing,
even though the world and their mother was looking going,
No printer Gast, he's done here like at the minute,
like he I mean, they're you know, he's been lauded
for this, you know, fifty twenty two, you know, spiral great,
(28:37):
But like dad ain't going to beat fucking friends, do
you know what I mean? Like, that's not going to
beat friends. And if Jack, if Jack Crowley does get
to look in against friends, he hasn't played since the
beginning of February. He hasn't touched a rug, you know,
a competitive ball since the beginning of February. Really, like
if by the time he gets to play them on
March eight, So I mean, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But on on that, like it is very confusing, and
again like go go talking about the Jack Curlely thing.
Are they afraid to give Jack Crowley the crack at
it because they know that it will disprove there what
they want to do then, which is keep prendergas there,
(29:21):
So like they want to pick That's what they've obviously
that's what they want. So if Jack Crowley came in
was able to whip the game around, and everyone then
is like fucking Crowley save the day, and they're all
raging because they're like, fuck, we really we want to
(29:44):
pick Prendergast again, but we can't because it's so obvious
now that Jack Crowley is the one that's gonna win
it for us because of what he's been able to do,
Like are they not? Are they purposely? That's what coaches do,
like like you know, like.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It was very interesting because like my conspiracy I love
a good conspiracy theory, right, and I'm not I'm not
shy about saying that. And I was literally driving up
to Dublin thinking almost that exact same thing. But I
was like, imagine if Crowley came on fifty minutes himself
was having a howler fifty minutes and he absolutely shoots
(30:22):
the lights out, like I mean, you know, Johnny Wilkinson
style stuff, like just incredible. It makes himself as you know,
all gurus will tell you to make yourself undeniable, like
will they be? Does that just mean you're starting against
France Son and that's it? Or then my brain coincidentally
(30:43):
with where your brain has gone and went, could they
absolutely do that and still still fucking jack him out
of the fucking starting twenty two against Frank you know,
if he played a blinder because I and it's interesting
to say that to do that, is that an ego
fucking thing?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Then?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because this is the national team we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's only one of the kind of general's advocate kind
of ways of looking at it. But I feel like
that's how I would feel if I was Jack Crowley.
But again, it's so easy to talk like this from
the outside when the conversations and this is what I
always say, like I hope like that the conversations are
(31:25):
open and honest and everyone knows where they stand, like
and like, if surely Jack Crowley goes up to the
coach afterwards and it's like, what the what was the
thought process there?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The only thing and this is this is the very unsexy,
non conspiratorial thing, right The only thing now I'd say
it's conspiratorial because it was never put to bed by
easter Be after the match. The only thing I was
thinking was at that stage Jack Crow he was the
only one covering the backs and they were like, do
(32:05):
we burn us up here? Because and then macnson went
off with it and he was you know, he went
to full back I think, and Jamie Arsbourne went up
into the wing. That was the only thing. I was like,
are they keeping him reserve just in case another fucking
back goes down or gets you know or whatever? That
was the only now I was clutching the straws of
(32:25):
that and I thought, well that's what we will say.
Oh no, he didn't say it. He just said we
finished it out how we thought we saw best. Basically,
in other words, we don't bad and all as Prendegast
is playing, we don't see crowdy doing a better job,
which blows my mind because the glaring, with the glaring
(32:45):
things that that Prendegast, there's two Now that I don't
want to back. I'm not bashed. Let he's class at
some things he can do. But two fucking tries and
two glaring tries, one on the line where he was
at I know what the fuck he was. He was
off the fucking mortar in his head. He was on
the wrong side of the fucking pole on the post.
(33:06):
And then when the try, you know, when the drive
did come in, he just tapped the guy in the
bag when it came to the where the fullback came
up in front of him, and I mean marginal bit
of footworking put on. He was grabbing fucking butterflies. Your
man was gone a meter away before he started swiping
at the air. It was like, what in the name
(33:27):
of Christ? How has nobody taught you how fast this happens?
And the one thing that Jack Crowley has over and
has had over all the fucking the outhouse we've had
in the last ten years is an absolute crippler of
a tackler. He can hit you like a center, do
you know what I mean? He's got tackling down even
like Jesus Christ, we need to button up the ship
(33:47):
here like and you know that would be my thinking,
and possibly I would imagine a lot more people going
Sam's having a howler in the old tackling department, Let's
bring on our really good tackling out half that we
have on the bench. That was what. But it would
seem that I think you're right and that they were like, no,
he's brind against the boy and that's that We're going
to put some meat on him, teach him how to tackle.
(34:10):
He'll be the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's that's what. That's what I'm so not to become
a cynic and not like turn on Lrige match and
be like Fox's sake, this is this is what they're doing.
This is like how they're manipulating it. And I don't
want to feel like that about about about watching Ireland,
like I do think that I'm gonna go with the
fact that you know you're talking about Ireland have to win.
(34:37):
You know, Ireland wants to win to make all this money, sorry,
but to still make money if they they don't win,
Like with the amount of money they're charging for people
going to games, they're still making money. There's a new
director for rugby like it's that that was certainly the
David news for a way to kind of create your
success record while other teams are building. It's a new
(35:00):
director of rugby. Surely the ir few is embarrassed with
with like and wants to be taken seriously as like,
world number one ranked team is such an embarrassing Like
we were so proud of it and now it's become
an embarrassment to have seen world number one it is
and never made it to a workup finals. Surely, surely
(35:23):
they have changed their approach to trying to win six
nations every year when other teams are getting their World
Cup teams in order.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, you know what, So I'm I'll go with that then,
And I'm if that is the case, you're going to
go with that. If that is the case, then I'm
because we've we've we've harped on about this. If that
is the case and they're just trying to build an
out half, then I'm all right for the World Cup.
I'm all right with that. I'm like, Okay, that's been said,
(35:53):
it's back here exactly. But that being said, Jack Crowley
isn't exactly ancient. He's twenty four or twenty five, you
know what I mean. Like, so it's not exact, he'll
be there too. So if that's what they're doing, then okay.
And I guess when you look at it, you're like, okay,
we just brought on Bundieki. He'll show up, you know,
you know where he's failing in defense and he's got
(36:17):
Jameson gives a park playing out of his skin like
that was a cool kick. That wanted that chip over
the top for like that are Nicole scored some cool
tries Now that's a cool try to score where James
low paddlet back down for Jamie Osborne is like that's okay,
that's cool. That is cool. Yeah, And tip of the
(36:38):
cap I think needs to go to Peter Romani. We
played the fool Eadien nineteen tackles. That's that's tidy, going
getting onto the important things and the real negative of
the whole thing. And thanks bit of God, you said
it to me, you text me just before before and
it was the abstinu heck of them jerseys. What we got.
(37:01):
We went from the commemborative jersey, which was absolutely beautiful.
Now I know I know why we're wearing white. I
get it because they colorlind. People can't see green and red,
different difference in green red. I know that, but that's
the thing, but we could have made a better hand
in the jersey.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
White. Sorry, sorry, keep going there.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
No, I was just saying, like it looked like an
art student, you know, from gave it a go. I
was like, come on, we can do better than this.
Am I wrong? Is the white not? Can we not
play green against red because of the because of the
color blind people?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
No, that's it, but the white isn't necessarily what I
was referring to. I was referring to, like the jersey
that we have at the moment, Like this season jersey
is absolutely cat It's one of the worst arst jerseys
I think I've ever seen. And I hate saying that
because someone obviously went out and designed that, and like
I hate to like kind of attack someone's work. Honestly,
(38:01):
just I really really dislike it. And then, like you say,
the fucking commemorative jersey, which is probably the nicest ilish
jersey I've ever seen, was worn one time, So not
referring to the white jersey, I just think it was
highlighting how horrendous this season's jersey is in another light.
But yeah, it's the first time since the beginning of
(38:23):
the tournament that Ireland have worn a different color to green,
So it is cool, like France do it. Like France
changed their jersey, so does Italy. I don't think anyone
else needs to change their jersey for Six Nations Scotland
maybe the Scotland change between white and Navy.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
They do.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, there's three blue teams there, but Ireland, Wales or
England have never had to change to an alternative strip
in the Six Nations and first time in however many years.
So I thought it was cool, Like it's I saw
all the people given out on line obviously about like
you know, affecting.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Tradition and oh no, it's only.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
For a small minority of it. It was like that,
like they're entitled to watch, like literally doesn't make a difference,
Like of course you want like rugby like that the
rent we had last week about like the inclusivity of rugby,
like that is one of the best things about rugby.
So I think it's cool to change up with tradition
like that, like for the inclusivity of people who basically
(39:27):
cannot tell the difference between the two teams.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Like it's such a simple thing to do and you said, yeah,
could bring on the white. I'm not no problem that
just the same as you. The design is cat Melosia.
It's and I will say, whoever got the job wherever
they put it out the tender to paint the Guinness
symbol in the middle of them pitch. They got some
(39:50):
cheap quotes, I'll tell you, and went with the cheapest
because whatever baliks what out and Kindergartens fucking us and
paid to the pitch. They clearly didn't let it dry
or got the cheapest ship they get down the woodies
because everybody was destroying it, fucking destroyed. I wonder like
(40:14):
Guinness must be bullow with that going on, What the fuck?
What are you doing? We're now getting slagged off because
our like our marketing. We've pent millions in marketing for
this tournament and now our own logo has been smooged
all over people's face. What I wouldn't Yeah, it was
(40:35):
a base but yeah, I probably I was probably doing
it to myself at the time. But at the same time,
if you were head of marketing in Guinness, I guarantee
you some furgniture was fuck moved around the office come Monday, morning.
I can tell you that much right now, going what
was that?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
They would have done that on purpose? You think?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
So, oh Jesus right, yes, put me right off.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
We just hand it over.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It did make the Pondiaki look super cool with blood
and black paint all over him as he was flexing,
going absolutely Banana's going around trying to eat people. It
was amazing. He looked a part with black Yeah, yeah, yeah,
to be fair, but it looks cool. He looked cool
to be fair, that all knows. And I'd say there's
not a lot of machinery left up in that nose anymore.
(41:27):
I'd say it's I would imagine the chassis brint and broken,
that borrel nose. I'd say, the way he like he
tackles on his face, so like, I don't, I don't
think it makes much of a difference to Pontiaki. But yeah, listen,
we got the win. I'm fearful of France because can
you imagine the la rouge pain that would be drawn
(41:50):
around Sam Prenda guest on every fucking whiteboard. But they
have just going what's the French for kill jewey? Well
they be it, yes to all? Yeah, I would imagine
it'll be if Sam starts. My god, i'd say tape
on the shoulder, pads led because you're going to have
(42:10):
a busy afternoon. They're not even going to try and
go past twelve. They're just they're just gonna come straight
down your channel. It's going to be hefty because you
would you'd be looking your lips. You think yourself as
a player, like if you know as a number eight too,
you'd go joec yeah, and I'm not. I'm just running
at forty five degrees straight at the tent to see
(42:32):
what will happen. Yeah, you know, there you go. People
literally from the words of a of a number eight,
no quems no, maybe it's no nothing, just going to
one hundred percent. I'm going.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah and looking the lips like honestly, if I if
I watched footage like that during the week, knowing it
was us up next, like fucking yes, give me.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
The ball, Like the monsters that Francis like actual straight
out of Marvel, some of the humans that they have.
Magine Winnea Antonio getting off in a cant going off
on a canter all I've been in space and all
of a sudden he's up to about seventeen miles an hour.
You're like, well, your man, your man's then get him,
(43:20):
Jesus Christ, be like Trump, biscuits and a bear. It
just would not work. But we'll, we'll. I mean, I
watched the first half. I missed. This is mad like
and this happens to me the whole time. The such
a dramatic thing. So I watched the first half Do
at the Parents, and then I missed probably twenty five
(43:40):
minutes of the second half, and I went, that's fine,
trail Italy are still in it. That's fine, that's fine,
that's fine. It turns out and saying, oh Jesus Christ,
what has happened? Because that first half Italy were there,
weren't they? They like did some cool moves, you know,
Malonchello Angel looked amazing. But then fucking do plant happened?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
He operates in another dimension and because everybody knows watching
him like it's you know, but it's like the guy
is just out for a jobt He's just.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
But also he didn't play well the week before. We
have ever said that, and we didn't get such a
last week actually because we obviously missed the week where
I was injured, so good to the podcast, but we
actually didn't get to talk about that at all, that
he actually didn't play well the week before, so I
(44:40):
can't I'd say he didn't sleep for the whole two
weeks waiting for this match to come around again so
he could just be like now about the doubters because
people were like, oh, oh, the golden boy, like he's
not so golden, is he? And then he just couldn't
wait to fucking put that a bit.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And I suppose the rest of the French team not
just to put it all on hill show to the
rest of the French team, but maybe he's like the
heartbeat of the team, you know what I mean. But
like they were dropping balls, they were doing all there's
a stupid shit and then on Sunday like it was
not it was worthing. You know, none of that was happening.
It was awful clicking and poor out Italy, as you
are titled today, Poor out Italy. You're going, ah, lads,
(45:21):
this is like the old days.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
This is like the old days. This orts, this.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Orts though, Jesus Christ. But we we have them at
March eighth. So do you know what the whales thing
I mean, if if you're really thinking and trying to
draw the positives set of everything, you go, well, this
is a kickop your whole because he got away with
it against Wales. But Luk, who's coming down the track
(45:46):
and just put seventy three points on Italy? It was
the seventy three or seventy five of who knows who
cares at that stage, just like, yeah, look light up
the fags Leeds let them off like it's it's it's
a kind of a Gary prospect. But I suppose this
is a good humbler, isn't It pulls it down back
off whatever high mountain you were running around and going
(46:08):
they were the best team in the world and nobody
could ever wait wailed their ahead. How is this happening?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
So yeah, I never did. I I know, what did
you come across them online? Because I did? I share
some of his stuff. But there's a fellow I know
for years. I used to play Touch Ruggy with him
in in Twickenham. His name is Roger. He's Welsh. He's
a content creator.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
He told me about him, yes, oh yeah, only we.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Were talking around the podcast so that he's basically run
a mile for every point of difference in a game
that Wales loses. Yes, and oh jesus, what was the
score in the first week? He like an ultramer like
after the first week to six Nations. But actually and
he was like dreading the Irish game because he with
(47:00):
many others were like this is going to be an
absolute blood bat And he ended up only run in
five nine nine miles in the end, only only nine
point to the point difference.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
In the brilliant well rodri You're welcome. Did they play?
Have they played friends yet? Have we placed friends yet?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah? That was the Oh.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
God, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Jesus, right,
well done England. England are still in it. That's kind
of weird, isn't it. They've kind of won two games
to fish and one at all. England are kind of
still technically in it, like if we friends, right, if
we lost the friends, it's all to play for? Is
(47:44):
that bad?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Probably feel like they should be winning it as well
since they beat us last year, but like as in
they they would have come into it this year maybe
with that mindset. But like we know, ever spoke about
and I feel like we spoke so much more about
Finn Russell last year two years ago. Now we were like,
(48:07):
you're talking about Finn Russell all the time, but uh,
how secondary for Finn Russell like missing penalty or sorry,
it's the penalty conversion to win it.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, I mean, Jesus Christ have all felt as you'd
put you know, because he can he's cool as a breeze,
like he can do that. But you know, I don't know,
to get him or just just miskicked it or whatever.
But yeah, yeah, you think. But again they should have
won it like it was there for it was there
for Scotland to win it, the same as France the
(48:41):
week before completely played chite and it would see in
the English media from when I kind of go, keep going,
who do you know? But then again you have to
be kind of in the game. You have to be
in it, in and in and round, like you can't
just barely accidentally win him actually, but you need to
be close. But Jesus like fair play, do you know what?
(49:05):
We say it every year, but this is a crack
in six nations. I'd like to see a bit more
out of poorer Italy. Then again, they did beat Wales
like boat it's good and keeping things good and interesting
anyway if nothing else, because we're here now rubbing our chins,
going well, we're going to whales and we're friends, do
you know? So it's nobody's running away with it for sure.
(49:28):
Even though they were talking Ireland would at the beginning
of it. Ireland definitely after that performance are not running
away with it. So it's giving us something to talk
about it. Are you interested in? So Death's cool. We
have a down week, a relaxing week. Of course, the
problems are playing our beloved Monster are playing Edinburgh. Speaking
(49:49):
speaking of which, Friday night they're playing Edinburgh and I
will be in dun Garvin. Uh oh yeah. The tour
is selling well, by the way, great where we have
people winter shows, which is great. But what's the deal
with Ben Healy? I haven't looked into it. I need
to google on Ben Healey. See what's happening?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Oh yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
He was he was kind of golden boy snatched by
the Scottish Union. You'll play for Scotland forever. And I
don't think he's even starting for Edinburgh these days. Whatever's
that happened? Also a little quick side note, I don't
think we spoke about it last week. Lord of Irish
maybe coming back. How fucking cool is that?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Oh yeah, that is cool. Yeah, Eddie Jordan's gonna buy it.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
But Shereddie Jordan's cool. He knows how to build things
like and you know here what got me excited, right
he wants to go into the u r S. He's like,
I don't want none of that premiership shit, which is hilarious,
Like it's just mad because it's like, nah, I'll take
the UORC, thank you, because that's going places. But the
thing what I'm tying in was he could give he
(50:55):
would not be shy, and he could set presidents because
he's coming from formerly one technically, you know, he's away
from it. But although he's a commentator on now, but
Drive to Survive is one of the best, you know,
flying the Wall shows you'll ever watch, even if you
don't give a shit about F one, it's one of
the best shows you'll ever watch. And that's what the
(51:18):
rugby Netflix should have been is a copy of that.
So I wonder would he set a president then, and
going we're an open book, lets an coom and by
the way, all your players, you're giving him everything they want.
We're making this cool. Do you know It's not just
some schlip who's just you know, an investment guy or
(51:39):
investment company. It's a guy. It's a guy, a sporting icon.
I suppose a sporting you know, personality who's going to
hopefully make now apparently he's a big ball of money
to pay back first before they actually can get a
club going together. Super cool, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:00):
In terms of classical flute's the picture like it's there
a video going around Eddie Jordan and Michael Flatley having
a sing song at the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Best friends, the three him, Michael Flatley and Eric Roberts
Julie Roberts's brother, all great mates.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What on art I here? Sorry? I mean, I'm sorry
that we don't have more time to get into that
this evening. But hang on of a headline, let's come
up here now. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan to be named new.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Monster coach from where Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Clayton McMillian will departs Chiefs coach at the end of
Super Rouge season. Mmm, Irish club Monster go ahead. We
coached the All Blacks fifteen against last year. He emerged
as the bookie's favorite for a role which is remain
vager monsters and supermon reading out the news here now,
(53:01):
but there you go, Q coach coming in to Monster.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
There you go. I just see, yeah, it's up right now,
Monster announcement Millings next heads coach? Is that where is
that where Ali Ali Eager came from? Came out of
came back from out of the Chiefs. I think it was.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
That's a good We've seen that like kids from Uel
go on placement in the Chiefs for like their their
co op and stuff like in the Chiefs rugby clubs.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
So oh so there's that kind of relationship already. I
know they had a bit of a one with the
Hurricanes all right because of Jason Holland. I think had
kind of set up one. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, so right,
that's very great breaking news people. As you hear this,
I'll put this, yeah, brilliant. What do you know? What
(53:51):
good news?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
That is good news. And I also I got tickets
for some Cup games, even though I didn't think to
get on in the final, which was stupid because that
final will be hard to get tickets for it because
you'll more than likely be England and Canada in the
final and it's obviously on in England. And took them
so anyway, but I hope I, well, we'll see. But
(54:15):
I got tickets for that because they went. They released
another batch from this week and then I wanted them
and I was bringing them up last week. But there'll
be twenty times over next few weeks to talk about this.
But the the draw that the rug, the last qualifying
rounds for the World, the Men's World Couper going on
like over the next couple of months, So that's interesting
to keep an eye out for us, keep keep people
(54:35):
updated on that because that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to see who comes forward to
the carry on in Spain and the Portugal thing and everything. Yes, absolutely,
and of course the photo ops and all the rest
of the launch of the women's six Nations which kicks
off in three weeks. But will keep you abreast of
that as well.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
In the Rotten Jersey, I saw it and I was like,
I can't believe there's still photo shoots going on with
this jersey and it's not finished yet, like it's kind
of opened.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
They'd get a new jersey summer tour. Never Jesus Christ
to win. Oh desperate, right, I text you after last
week's podcast. People are for every anybody wondering, I text
you after. At the end we signed off everything with
mind the Rocks. I literally meant that, every bit of
(55:25):
that for and her head like it's like if ever
there was credence and solidity and verification of a tagline
at the end of a podcast, Mind the Rocks and
I can she can vote for her Mind the Rocks everyone,
and mind the Knees inside the Rocks. On the Turkey
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Speaker 1 (55:49):
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.