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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Banana and.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Rugby nomineus patres uncus alone cocker Minish to spare. That
was my attempt at lacking everybody. Hello and welcome to
Banana and Bear's Rugby podcast. I'm joined by our holiness
Pope Marrow Toji over under the other line, Hello Pop,
(00:24):
how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Baggio Romero.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Scletchy.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I was teaching this week with a fellow. Oh sorry,
I was actually doing entrance exams for the university in
here where I work, in Larchelle, and I was with
this kind of kind of batty enough French fellow. It
was very nice, but there are people just assume you're English,
and so we worked together for the whole day and
(00:57):
then he asked me where I was promised, like going
from Cork and he was like, oh, do you know
father Ted. I was like, wells as close as you
can get to personally without actually knowing him personally. Yes.
So yeah, just this fellow who like is into Irish music,
(01:18):
plays loads of Irish music. He started singing, this is
even weirder. He started singing Delirium Tremens.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
To me, Christy Moore's Delirium Tremens.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, he said, he started going, oh, goodbye to
the port and Brandy I was like, am I in?
Am I in a like a matrix here?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Have I just seen me in the future in the
form of a French man? That's my ThM? He said,
you know Christy Moore? I said, I am Christie Moore?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
What the Christy Moore? Actually? Happy birthday? Christy Moore turned
eighty on when on Tuesday, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Or a legend I served him at Toasty once.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Terrible Nized man. He refused to come up on a
podcast very politely one time. I wouldn't have any do
tom An no man from Scapa Flow. He had a
podcast there Who's giving away for free? Outside of Apple
greed and right cool? And I just took one and
sure that's all they ever needed. Again Terrible Nized it.
(02:24):
What age was this bizarre man? You met.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Around Christy Moore's age?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you know? And I've read a fact. Hello everybody,
this is a Rugby podcast. I swear to God we'll
get there eventually, right, But I read a fact about
French children from nineteen fifty six. Now that would put
that man in line for this man.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is it not.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I know what you're going to say about them drinking
wine at lunchtime?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is it not true?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Apparently it's not. Let me check with Renny next week,
and I hope I might work with him again next week,
and I'm going to ask and I will debunk or
confirm net next week that French school children used to
be given wine at lunchtime like little kids.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Like I I want to believe it, like things, and
like they were still smoking on telly in France up
until like last week. Do you know what I mean? There?
Mad like like I want to believe. I want to
believe it, like do you know do you.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Know where I'm going this weekend? Actually? La Rochelle are
playing in Van?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Then who who was in Who?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No? But you might have heard of Van because they
got promoted to Top fourteen this year. Yes, there was
a huge deal made of it because they're from Brittany
and most of you know, if you look at the
top fourteen map, like aside from Paris, like La Rochelle
is no northerly, so it was a big thing for
like Bretann, Brittann Rugby, huge for the town of Vans.
(04:03):
So like they went like off the chain like celebrating there.
We spoke about it on the podcast. I was saying
that there is the same the song that they sing
in the stadium is the same as the Welsh national
anthem because they're considered themselves Celts. So I'm expecting to
be a full on celebrity when I go there this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The big Celtic HEADNYA, You'll rock up and they'll be like,
oh Mamma Mia, No, that's Italian, just getting excited about
the big white EDNYA and blue eyes and fucking fair
fair complexion.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That spot me a mile away.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh maybe maybe you're blending. Yeah, well, we come to
live like literally moments ago. Pope Leo the sixteenth wasn't
an American would don't you know? I didn't have my
money on an American, to be honest you, I saw
three Italians in there, and I says, the odds are
(05:00):
it'll be in a talent. But I was favoring the
lad from the Congo, to be honest with you, because I.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Reckon he hates women.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Though. Oh the lad from the Congo, Yeah, I think
shit does he? Oh No, it was to be fair,
I did zero reading into it. I'd just like the
idea of somebody from.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
The Congo I know, yeah, and and and the idea
of a black pope, like for the first time ever,
Like come on, But when I heard that he was
the forerunner, he's not progressive at all, I was like, oh,
that's not great. But apparently this fellow was good bodies
with Francis, so hopefully this leads to But it seems
(05:41):
as if there were such a massive divide in the
conclave that everyone's an expert on now after watching on Netflix,
there was such a like a vast divide that they
had to just agree on someone kind of down the middle.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, right, that's what I would a walk.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And I was like, oh, stick my head into machnologies
because I don't go to machnolgies anymore because I can't
really drink. So I was like, oh, I'll stick my
head in here now seas run in here usually there's
sport on never were sitting down. I was like, what
what's going on? Watching this the Pope the Pope's announcement,
(06:22):
like with the music and everything, I was like, Jesus,
I thought it was the lines announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
There was a peak Irish second moment for that public,
you know, people watching the Pope's announcement. Yeah, yeah, well
best to look at to Leo, even if he is American.
You know, look, it's fine, it's fine. We'll now understand
what he has to say for himself. Let's get into it.
(06:48):
Let's get into the ruggers. Because I text you at
close to the end of the match, or maybe it
was the end of the match. The the Leinster Northampton
match which were heartbroken over. But it was some crack
of a match to watch, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It was unbelievable. Was one of the best rugby matches.
I say, it's the best rum match I saw this
year and one of the best rug matches I've seen
in fucking ages. It was unbelievable. I couldn't get over
how good Northampton were. I think they could win it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Do you know what they could? They could because they
have these running lines that completely it completely debunked the
defensive system that Leinster had been kneeling fucking teams with.
It completely carved them as under something. I was like, what,
how did nobody else spot how to do this?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah? Yeah, carving is the word. You're right there, Ted
like fucking Christmas dinner, the ham the turkey like fucking
r G Snimon sorry who did not play well either.
I'm sorry now, he made absolutely no impact, just this
one hand thing that he was putting the back line
(08:04):
under pressure. He just like bang and just get stood
up and just pop the ball out and put the
team like completely under pressu because there's no offside line there.
So he didn't play well, which I was ever so
slightly satisfied with since after all the monster given out
of him being transferred, he actually didn't could not make
a difference. And then fucking little Pollock like trotting through
(08:27):
and Orgies, Orgies. Something can do is whisk his his
hand at because it was just such an unbelievable line.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Amazing and porl sam s mother god he was he
was swatting flies after back him. Come here. I've been
waiting all week, right and I haven't come around to it.
But what what's your feeling on Henry Pollock? Because I've
been wanting to ask you all week? What do you
what do you feel as a back roar? What what's
your what do you feel about him? I mean, obviously
(08:57):
we now we know he's been picked and stuff, but
as an overall player, the package everything. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So as I haven't he hasn't stood out to me massively,
obviously haven't been focused on him enough. But now that
the media is like Pollock, Pollock, Pollock, which it has
been for a while, to be fair, it gave me
a bit of an Antoine DuPont feeling where I was
like initially was like all this talk about this player,
(09:24):
like he can't be that good, And then I was
just sitting on my hands thinking like, yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like other podcasts, it's only come to light and all fairs,
you're not you're not, You're not to be blamed. I
since the twenties, I saw this guy and he was
so cocky and so loud, fucking lipius. Fuck. But there's
something about the guy and they wouldn't mention him another podcast. Dude,
they were nearly talking flippantly about him, like, well, you know,
(09:55):
he's a young flow. You know he's getting lucky at
the minute. You know, let's see him in a couple
of 's time when he goes against the big boys
and stuff. But he was doing things to monster that
time he came on, and you're like Jesus Christ. Why
is this guy? Okay, he hasn't been found out and
he's got that young full of spirit about him. But
as you said at the weekend, Oly sweet Jesus, he
(10:19):
when he did the thing, did you see what he did?
What he scored the try and he felt his pulse?
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah? But it wasn't too sure of the message. There
was it in reference to something or what.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think. I think it was just basically I
haven't I haven't even got going yet, you know what
I mean? This isn't this has done nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I was wondering, wasn't there Are we human? Or are
we leinster?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh? God? Well maybe yeah, Well that's fairly that's deep.
That's metal. Now that's getting it heavy. I think it
was more less.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Exactly what you said. Basically, he didn't even try. I
was unbelievable how he cut the line, how he used
the space. It was class like and attacking the referee
space like that's obviously the thing is like just running
in behind the referee, because that's one player that can that.
(11:11):
Referees often take a space and a defensive line, and
like you know or here obviously thought that this space
was covered, but he was further away from his connecting
defender as he than he thought or else he was
just lazy and he's not a lazy player, so the
referee often can distort like connections in the defensive line.
And fuck me, did he find the few blades of
(11:34):
grass that were left free?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
He? I don't know. There's something about it. I've really
because they were giving I think they were complaining about him,
and you know, he's so English, you know what I mean.
It's that they went to the part school and all
the rest of it. He's arrogant in English. There's something
I there's something I'm really liking about what he's bringing
to rugby, if you know what I mean. Like not
that I don't I don't want to conorm agregor fucking
(11:58):
thing coming to rugby, but it's like, yeah, hon ashamedly
fucking digging what he's what he's doing, you know that
kind of way. It's like there's you know, you see
guys go wonder tries and kind of yeah, head don't know,
and get back and get back in the line and
just do my best. And because sometimes you want to
shake fellows and go dude, just be cool. About it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think I agree with you, and I think that
like there is a place for it in rugby. But
if it is, as long as it doesn't kind of
carry into the the fans turning into yes, yes, turning
(12:42):
into wankers, because I've actually had enough of that. I'm
really sick and tired of. I spoke to someone during
the week about how the monster fans were behaving and
I heard some things that I didn't like, and I
already brought it up on the podcast. Remember I was saying,
like I'm all the great things to talk about, I
have to say monster fans were action the bollocks like
fucking kissing jerseys turning around to fans. I actually hate it,
(13:07):
and to some extent there can be great cracking it,
but not the way current rugby fans are behaving. I
don't like it. A bit of banter, a bit of
a slag and not take it personally. Is is great
as long as Henry Pollock is someone that's not going
to turn around and be like, you know, just a
(13:29):
bit of a rico yo, any kind of a thing,
or who's coming to Leinster By the way, I think
we skipped over that as well. Yeah, as long as
he's not an actual bollocks, I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Apparently he's not. Apparently because I saw it was just
a quote from Ellis again should be you know, real
working class well, and he was like, he's everything I
grew up hating. But then I met him and I
really get on with the guy, do you know. And
it seems he's fully aware of what he is, that
his roll on the pitches to be an annoying bastard
(14:05):
and get it, like and if if that one percent
is an if it's enough of a one percent to
put somebody off their game by even one percent, great,
But it seems that an INDI every interview afterwards, he
just seemed like a genuinely nicy young chap like it
was just going, no, I know, I'm a knob, but
that's genuinely my job is to be a complete knob
and a pain in the hole. And yeah it works.
(14:27):
It fucking people, you know, it puts people off they're
fucking kilter or small bit, do you know.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I Alsome was getting kind of ef away for vibes
from him. Yeah, like the way away for fucking head down,
working hard, lifted the Irish teamher and along with other
players like which would be the same for Northampton. It's
it's not just him on his own, but that mentality
we saw it with if Away for an Ireland like I,
(14:55):
that's why I think they could win. They're just on
a they're on a they're on a buzz and I
don't know if you notice it, but every time the
camera shot to the Northampton coaches box, did you notice this?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I know it's how young they were, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, exactly. I actually looked all of them up afterwards
and I was like, who's he, Who's he? Who's he? Like,
where have they been before? What's their deal? Every time
the camera went to them before the match, first half,
after the match, there was only one time when they
weren't laughing their heads off, and that was coming up
(15:34):
to the final whistle. Every other time they were smiling,
they were laughing, they were just like it was so
nice to see, and then it would shoot to the
Leinster box and everyone's got this big, serious dog ahead
on them. I suppose Northampton were a little bit like,
we've got nothing to lose here, like, let's fucking enjoy it,
(15:57):
whereas Leinster had a lot to lose.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's that I think it portrayed on the pitch too,
because twofold. I think Leinster might have been caught in
the headlines because they were so nervous. But I also
think there has to be an element because people were
giving them forty fucking points, Like, I think there has
to be an element that they had one eye on
the final? Do you know? And they're like, you know
(16:21):
when you're not starting, fucking Barrett, I mean, I don't
care what anybody says. You're starting keen heely ahead a porter.
You're like, what and know we're saving them for the
final kind of a you know, that's all it can be.
That's all it can be. There seems to be people
seem to be perplexed by why would they do it?
Why would they do it? Because they were saving him
(16:41):
for the final, that's what They had no plans of
losing that match, you know what I mean? They were like, fuck,
this is gonna walk over. But no wonder the lads
were smiling in the in the box because all the
cool shit they told them they've been coaching their players
to do was working. Like it was just Henry Pollock.
(17:02):
There was carving, it was Finn Smith, fucking Tommy Freeman,
anybody who seemed to get it in space. They seem
like that, they seem to be hiding, they seem to
be able to disguise their line, do you know, Like Like,
I think it's a cyclical thing, and I think Ireland
as a whole has kind of been found out a
little bit, and I think we may go into slump
for unfortunately for a year or two before we find
(17:25):
another groover or freshness or something. Because you see Ireland
fucking play. You see Munster even Leinster play like there'll
be nobody come darting from fucking twenty meters back and
not get fucking stopped, do you know what I mean?
Like you see Josh Frander Fearflick, he ain't fucking doing much.
Henry Pollock is doing He's gonna get stopped because they'll
(17:45):
telegraph it a mile away. Whatever they're doing to disguise
their the run, the distance they're come and running from.
I don't know what it is, but they all seem
to any time they wanted to fucking make a break,
they were making a break. And that's yeah, against the
team that had an impeccable I think they on average
in the Champions Cup. They ten points conceded a game
(18:07):
on average. Now absolutely fucking out. So I know one
of the buys were love and life, and I think
you're one hundred percent right. What if they got to lose.
They're in the final, they've been playing, but you're right
in the ef away for him. When you said that,
I was like, Oh, you're a hundred percent right. I
there are two or three other team players that are
(18:27):
now on the Lions team as a result of Henry Pollock.
I believe he's the like, you can have a pocket
of talent, but if the confidence to go and use
it isn't there. But you see that motherfucker doing what
he's doing, You're like, yeah, just like if away for
like you know, you know, a rising tide and all
(18:48):
and all the rest of it raises all chips and
suddenly people like Alex Mitchell are now. I'd say he'll
be going in my opinion in form he'll he should
start ahead of you know, gives a park.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But the game of the weekend fucking was was good
timing for those lad For others, I'm sorry, what about
Kaylen Doris?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh jeez, I nearly didn't want to talk about it.
To be fair, we're not we're not Leinster friends, as
some people may may not be surprised by, but we
do appreciate Leinster. A bunch of ours led and we
love Kalen Doris. My god, what shitty shitty timing.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Someone made a point about him literally being like the
most consistent player for Leinster in Ireland for the last
like three years and the injury he gets was the
day the last possible, like how terrible, Like I actually
(19:53):
I can't even I can't even think about him. There's
not much else to say. He would have been captain
as well. I think he would have been captained for
ToJ Yeah, so yeah, god it got it for him.
Delighted for Bondiaki mac Hanson was the other one, that's ah,
(20:14):
he seems kind of lucky. There seemed to be some
kind of funny announcement.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Of ah, it's fucking brilliant. It's the most mac Hanson moment,
like they cut live to him. They did a zoom
call to him, and they did it to a few
fellas who were obviously you know, either in the team
room or they were you know, at home, and it
was nice and orchestrated and like a nice zoom call.
(20:39):
They get mac Hanson's down the beach right and they're like, yeah, alright.
She was like, I have speeches and which is rare
for me. And I suppose Delights he would just had
the like the guys that fucking stand up. He had
the room without being in the room. He had it
(21:00):
in convulsions. The whole place was like, yeah, I didn't know.
I heard the news and I said, I go for
a swim. You're like Jesus Christ, okay, and this is
a this is something he said something about Bundy. I
suppose I said something about, you know, Bundy bit delight
or whatever. And I need to watch it back because
(21:22):
he actually had me laughing. It was basically he was
slagging off Bundy that basically, you know, Bondy will be
talking Aboudy next because yeah, I wonder why he was
texting me to come mind the children. Do you know
it was? He signed off with something fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I must I must watch it because this is when
I just flashed up there before I came on the
call too. And there was a when you look at
like the kind of debate around the Lion's selection and
to be fair, most people are kind of mostly in
agreement with it. But the one that came up the
most was why isn't Darcy Graham being ahead of Mackanson?
(21:56):
That Darcy Graham had a much better six Nations and
he playing better, and to be fair, mack Hanson did
not have the best six Nations at all. But I
wonder if he's he's being brought as the ukulele player
like he is.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Now the boy, like he's some player. But you're a
hundred I'm one hundred percent in agreement with you. You
need a glue, you know what I mean? In the
same way like if the girls are feeling down, they
know and I can kick the door in, like the
fucking like the you know, the the it's the jug
guy you know obviously called the minute? Was he the
minute made guy?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, Like you'll just kick it in and go ding
ding ding ding d Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I would allow to say, Pat Mostard.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You're still on the I have to ride missus Riley.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Things have gone very bad and we're not saying what
mack Hanson will be up to, but I get yeah,
this is a great shout for the team. Is it's
kind of hard to read that or hear that if
you are Macknson. But like I hope, but just gives
him a chance to get back in form because he's
our you know, he was our player of the Year
last year, so.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
At the same time, I think there's a lot of
players did not didn't didn't perform well, and he was
back from injury. Fair enough, Calvin Nash was probably playing
better than him, But I suppose his potential far probably thinks,
you know what fucking needs to be a good lad.
(23:37):
But I know what I can get out of Pellas
and I know what I can get out of that fella.
He'll you know, I'll get a fucking tune out of him.
I'm telling you now, he'll he will play well if
I start him. And like he can't be all serious
fucking noses either, Like it has to be there has Yeah,
it has to be teamed. So you have to have
a he is a vital ingredient and the sea he's
(23:59):
going to get a tattoo something, do you know what
I mean? And that'll be good crack for the lads,
do you know. So it's he's definitely needed. I one
that was I suppose there was a few people talking
about it, the omission of Prendegas, which didn't come as
a big surprise.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But sorry, now whoever's talking about the omission of Prendergas
needs to get a fucking life. Are you for real?
We're talking about the lions.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know, I know, I know, But what I'm saying
is there was talking like there was literally up until
fucking maybe four or five weeks ago. He was being
talked about a part you know himself and Finn Russell
going like do you know because they were thinking, oh,
well if Marcus Smith goes and they just didn't see
Finn Finn Smith playing as well as he has in
the last cup last month or two. But he's peoplay,
(24:47):
you know, his fucking class. They're the same age. He
wouldn't think it, would you himself and and Sam Prendegas,
Finn Smith himself. Yeah, yeah, But what what has come
to light if you do think about it the experiment
they did during the Six Nations, which we've talked to death.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I know what say because I think in the exact
same thing now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's now rendered two Irish out ALFs completely out of
the fucking running. There's no hope that I'm going, like,
no hope, not even if somebody gets injured. There's no hope.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I'm going I completely agree. I think Jack Crowley
was robbed of his audition because I think Jack Crowley,
Jack Crowley could have potentially played like as good as
could be for an audition for Alliance Jersey.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Undred percent, because he's a you know, he can play center.
He can play center as well. So he I genuinely
if he played, and you know what I mean, they played,
They asked him, he played, they won the six nations,
not saying it was all down to him, but he
put in performance like that.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But then that's your you know, that's your platform to
build on. Like he again where you are going back
to this conversation, But it is interesting and maybe it
only kind of come to me today that how much
and maybe any Far said before he was going out
the door, can you make sure Sam burn the gas
place because I want him to come on my line store. Yeah,
and maybe Jack Crowley, it costs Jack Crowley. Like all
(26:16):
this time, I was thinking about how frustrated Jack Crowley
must be, like literally sitting in the wings when he
didn't desire to be sitting in the wings. But he
must have been thinking, this is my time to fucking
put the work in for Lions, and I'm not being
given it unfairly, So like it was just a shambles.
How the whole thing was managed and like we said
(26:39):
it after the six nation fished, they both finished off
form and it cost a potential Lions shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, I mean you you posted about it said how
have we finished the six Nations but are two out?
Has gone backwards?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Basically I said how to kind of provoke it as
if you didn't nobody know how. Yeah, you have to
fight for your jersey unless you have that element of
something in your stomach that hyper focuses you on your
goal instead of being distracted from your goal because you're
(27:16):
worried that you don't deserve the jersey. Like it's complete too,
completely different worlds and how you approach the game and
like being handed a jersey, which is which is essentially
what they admitted when they said they were giving Sam
Prendergast a run at the Six Nations. Like they never said,
oh Sam Prendergast is the better is the better option?
They said, we're giving him a shot to be the
(27:37):
better one.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And just because I like to be an antagonist. Imagine
if you're kuring Frawle, it's in the back of the US.
Gone the fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, hey, listen the Lions. There'll be lots more can
talk about. The Lions were going to be very excited
following it with Gusto, and I'll probably end up down
there playing for them or something. I love your last Well,
never say never, never say never, but we have we
(28:10):
have an InterPro tomorrow night, and it looks like Munster
have gone full nice.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Before we go on to Monster and A. No, this
is very important because Come and Park finale. But I've
watched it about a thousand times. I feel like it
was like when I first discovered viral videos the b.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
L B are a try Oh my god, sorry, yes,
oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Mimy Barry. Sorry, I was calling him the Billy.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Barry, Billy Barry.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Jesus Christ Almighty, he is something else.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He apart. Can you do? You know what I often do?
And I was thinking about the same with Henry Pollock,
and I was like, can you imagine like he was like,
let's come through that fast. That means they were pretty
much that good when they were playing under eighteen. Can
you imagine it like not a million miles off that
(29:06):
he's twenty years twenty or twenty one years of age, Like,
can you imagine being under eighteen and trying to mark
that like who?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think? Yeah, agreed, it's harder to market it under
eighteen because you don't have as much time together as
a squad because you're not professionals, so defenses aren't as good,
so your defense isn't good. So I think it's really
easy to shine at an under eighteen level as a
quick winger like that, for example, or someone who can
(29:39):
just cut a line. Defense isn't as good, so you're
to be able to unless he was better or he's
better now to be able to come in at this
level professional contract and be flit bid again. More Christmas
Day like activities from the carving, Oh it was class
(30:01):
and the way he stops and goes again and turns
and the fucking inside like it was just the try
of dreams like that is is there a try? There
will there be a try the year for Investor Champions Cup,
I'm sure, but that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Was just sensational watching them, Like I mean they were
streets ahead, but you're just they weren't streets ahead. You know,
the scoreboard probably it probably didn't take a full full picture.
But at the same time, you're like, oh, Christ, this
is going to be some final. Holy shit, Like you
(30:37):
hope they're not going to cancel each other out. You're like,
score a million cool tries please.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah. I reckon Northampton could have it. To be fair,
I thought that when Monster played Bordeaux. Now bear in mind,
Bordeaux had a bit of a handy lead, so that
was kind of maybe them just sitting up a small
bet or relax and the sitting back a small but
I would say, and they let Munster back into it,
(31:02):
So I don't know if that's a trait of the
team that could potentially happen and then just not at
all in the final. So I don't know. I feel
like Northampton could have it, but fucking Billy Barry.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Like, yeah, keep the ball away from him. They're yeah,
I'm in agreement. I think the aggression and the dog
had never said I attitude that Northampton had, like to
the way they competed for the ball as cleanly as
they did in that final, that you know, the final
(31:37):
death knell at the end, which mad that Leinster didn't
go for the post. But anyway, we won't we needn't
get into that. But the fact that they did it,
so you know what I mean, they barred up and
they fucking won it, you know again, like to win
it back. There was just a serious, serious fight. I
hope it wasn't just fuck Leinster. That's why they had
(31:59):
the fight, you know, hope it wasn't just that. I
hope they still have it in the final, Like they
didn't go, oh my god, we're in the final because
there French one thing like that. The lad's be like,
but of course we are in the final.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Are you called this? Maybe it was two seasons ago.
I think it could have been at the beginning this season,
I said the Borda was gonna win, I say top fourteen.
I think I said Champions Cup. So I think I
was looking at their Champions Cup jersey when I said it,
I was like, they're going to win this.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, they're on. They're only they're not not the nicest
Jersey in the top fourteen.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Oh oh no, I know the top fourteen Jersey's fine,
it's the it's the Champions Cup jersey. I love, yeah,
Intermlanders or something.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, No, I like that one noted sorry that their
top fourteen jersey. I wouldn't be fond of it. If
nothing else, it'd be nice to see Joe Carberry getting
a Uruvene medal. Jesus say, ironicness, wouldn't it be ironic
if you came on, I can kick like the winning
penalty or something. Do you know you're like, although I
think he's injured again is the vil? I don't know, Jesus,
(33:06):
but you had typically capture to Billy Barry. We have
Munster Ulster tomorrow night. Who fucking knows? Who knows what's
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It was weird because it's like they're kind of calling
it as a finale for Peter Money who else when
we please Stephen Archer and Murray. Oh yes, of course.
But then there's another game in Musgrave Park following week.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I suppose they're homond curtain call, you know what I mean,
They're that's stupid right to not play it in Yeah,
I suppose, but you got to. I mean that would
have been set out at the beginning of the season.
Is to give you gotta you gotta split split the
books because the car crowd, you know what they're like
if you're not playing below there, you know, drinking Murphy's
at the boar. Yeah, I mean they go to the
(34:04):
you know, I fucking hate it. I hate emotional stuff.
I hate it. I really you know when it's when
it's monsters, like you have a full savage team. I
hope we don't have to rely on let's do it
for Pete kind of a thing, like there should be
an element of the other players going yeah, no, I'll
do it for Pete, all right, but kind of fuck
Pete at the same time, like we want to stay
(34:24):
in this thing and win the fucking thing. We have
six like they came. You know, when they did win it,
they'd run a they've been playing like shite and then
they run of five or six matches where they just
won it all and ran all the way to the end,
having to go to South Africa or whatever. But you know,
i'd i'd sooner them do it off actually putting together
a line out and no drop balls please, no mistackles.
(34:46):
That'll be great because when they do string it together,
it's unbelievable. And then by the same token Ulster like
a baby's arse. Do you know what I mean? You
don't know what they're going to do. They go nineteen
nil up against the Sharks. I was doing. It's so
mad when I watch game while it's on the TV
at the comedy club, because I'll pop out, I go,
oh and sometimes you know you're biting your nuckles. Gone
for Fox, I walked in and out like nineteen and
(35:09):
look right, fair play time walk back out nineteen nineteen?
What what is wrong with you? You fucking had him?
How do you let him back by nineteen points for
the love of Jesus, Like come.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
On, Irish Republican vibes nineteen nineteen, Like.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Definitely if there's one province in Ireland that would be
feeling Irish rub Yeah, you never know, a couple of
maybe mccluskin, a few more, maybe maybe maybe Henderson, Yeah
yeah maybe, but so yeah, that get kicks off, and
I mean it's a shout out to poor Ole Dave
(35:55):
kill Coyne as well. Oh yeah, he said to throw
in the towel. The injuries just got the better of him.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But it's funny. When he popped up, I was and
it was like, oh, he'll he'll retire whatever, Jesus, he's
still playing. But I I, you know, I was like,
he hasn't had a chance to kind of put a
stamp on the final, like if she's like me, yeah,
she's still she still plays. I was in, I was,
(36:24):
I went into oh no, sorry, never mind, I'll tell yeah, finish.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Someone's to have. Let both teams have to win both
board games to even get into the into the playoffs,
but to make it, to make it too, if nothing,
at the very least Europe next year, which would be
kind of you know, your man this new Do you
know anything about your man Clayton McMillan. He sounds like
a hotel chain.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know nothing about the lad But what you're right
talking about Europe, Like if you look back at I
was looking back at all the previous European Cup winners,
Like there's teams in there, and I know France is
a slightly different kettle of fish, but it's still reality.
(37:18):
There's teams in there that are now in like French
Federal Division, like whatever, fucking like it can happen, and
like the teams that you know, like you can it's
a slipperyal slope and no, we're lucky in Ireland that
we only have four professional teams, so you can kind
of keep an eye, your eye on the ball with
all of them. But like monster slipping down, like that's
(37:39):
that's Jesus. We have to we have to avoid that,
Like there has to be more pride put into Irish
Ruggy here and not have that happen.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, apparently your man is bringing a is bringing a
loose head with him. I think I don't know a
kee we loose head with him, this Clayton McMillan hotel brand.
But you're right, mhmm.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
You want to bring a few more bits than that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I suppose he would, he would. I think what
we've we've centers, and Andrew Smith was signed as when
we sent a center I think is a Dan Dan
Kelly is a man's name. He's coming from Lester. He's
a big prospect. Probably need a bit more bulk in
a round back row, second row. You know, a killer
would be nice. I mean Smith and the rest of
(38:31):
I mean something. I mean, you're never going to get
your hands out of Billy Barry, but can like be
greateous robber ga player or something that's a complete another
freak of nature can run you know, under meters in
like nine seconds or something. Be just can we get
one of them somewhere?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You should sign away for fuck yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Sign away for everybody? Like she's do you know what
I mean? Yeah? Yeah, I agree. Hey, listen, we both
need to go sleepy. Guys. You need to put your
cap on the right way round. No more of this
backward stuff. You're not Bart Simpson. If I say, a
skateboard under your rapp next next week, we're having That's
(39:15):
not bad. Actually that's not bad. We're having serious words
hopefully Monster and get it done. We'll be watching more
and more line stuff as as it unravels and it
starts to ramp up and whatnot. And I think maybe
one of the weeks will pick an altern it for Lions,
do you know what I mean? A Lions relatable thing,
maybe like a father, you know, father tailed Lions.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Team father, Romeo Sencini.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
He's the over seventy or the is it the over
seventy fives or the under seventy fives?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, that's who Monsters should sign Romeo Si right, Mind
the rocks, Mind the rocks, it's the Banana and Bears
rugby pod
It's the Banana and.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Rugby nomineus patres uncus alone cocker Minish to spare. That
was my attempt at lacking everybody. Hello and welcome to
Banana and Bear's Rugby podcast. I'm joined by our holiness
Pope Marrow Toji over under the other line, Hello Pop,
(00:24):
how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Baggio Romero.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Scletchy.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I was teaching this week with a fellow. Oh sorry,
I was actually doing entrance exams for the university in
here where I work, in Larchelle, and I was with
this kind of kind of batty enough French fellow. It
was very nice, but there are people just assume you're English,
and so we worked together for the whole day and
(00:57):
then he asked me where I was promised, like going
from Cork and he was like, oh, do you know
father Ted. I was like, wells as close as you
can get to personally without actually knowing him personally. Yes.
So yeah, just this fellow who like is into Irish music,
(01:18):
plays loads of Irish music. He started singing, this is
even weirder. He started singing Delirium Tremens.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
To me, Christy Moore's Delirium Tremens.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, he said, he started going, oh, goodbye to
the port and Brandy I was like, am I in?
Am I in a like a matrix here?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Have I just seen me in the future in the
form of a French man? That's my ThM? He said,
you know Christy Moore? I said, I am Christie Moore?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
What the Christy Moore? Actually? Happy birthday? Christy Moore turned
eighty on when on Tuesday, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Or a legend I served him at Toasty once.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Terrible Nized man. He refused to come up on a
podcast very politely one time. I wouldn't have any do
tom An no man from Scapa Flow. He had a
podcast there Who's giving away for free? Outside of Apple
greed and right cool? And I just took one and
sure that's all they ever needed. Again Terrible Nized it.
(02:24):
What age was this bizarre man? You met.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Around Christy Moore's age?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you know? And I've read a fact. Hello everybody,
this is a Rugby podcast. I swear to God we'll
get there eventually, right, But I read a fact about
French children from nineteen fifty six. Now that would put
that man in line for this man.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Is it not.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I know what you're going to say about them drinking
wine at lunchtime?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is it not true?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Apparently it's not. Let me check with Renny next week,
and I hope I might work with him again next week,
and I'm going to ask and I will debunk or
confirm net next week that French school children used to
be given wine at lunchtime like little kids.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Like I I want to believe it, like things, and
like they were still smoking on telly in France up
until like last week. Do you know what I mean? There?
Mad like like I want to believe. I want to
believe it, like do you know do you.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Know where I'm going this weekend? Actually? La Rochelle are
playing in Van?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Then who who was in Who?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No? But you might have heard of Van because they
got promoted to Top fourteen this year. Yes, there was
a huge deal made of it because they're from Brittany
and most of you know, if you look at the
top fourteen map, like aside from Paris, like La Rochelle
is no northerly, so it was a big thing for
like Bretann, Brittann Rugby, huge for the town of Vans.
(04:03):
So like they went like off the chain like celebrating there.
We spoke about it on the podcast. I was saying
that there is the same the song that they sing
in the stadium is the same as the Welsh national
anthem because they're considered themselves Celts. So I'm expecting to
be a full on celebrity when I go there this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The big Celtic HEADNYA, You'll rock up and they'll be like,
oh Mamma Mia, No, that's Italian, just getting excited about
the big white EDNYA and blue eyes and fucking fair
fair complexion.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That spot me a mile away.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh maybe maybe you're blending. Yeah, well, we come to
live like literally moments ago. Pope Leo the sixteenth wasn't
an American would don't you know? I didn't have my
money on an American, to be honest you, I saw
three Italians in there, and I says, the odds are
(05:00):
it'll be in a talent. But I was favoring the
lad from the Congo, to be honest with you, because I.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Reckon he hates women.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Though. Oh the lad from the Congo, Yeah, I think
shit does he? Oh No, it was to be fair,
I did zero reading into it. I'd just like the
idea of somebody from.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
The Congo I know, yeah, and and and the idea
of a black pope, like for the first time ever,
Like come on, But when I heard that he was
the forerunner, he's not progressive at all, I was like, oh,
that's not great. But apparently this fellow was good bodies
with Francis, so hopefully this leads to But it seems
(05:41):
as if there were such a massive divide in the
conclave that everyone's an expert on now after watching on Netflix,
there was such a like a vast divide that they
had to just agree on someone kind of down the middle.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh, right, that's what I would a walk.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And I was like, oh, stick my head into machnologies
because I don't go to machnolgies anymore because I can't
really drink. So I was like, oh, I'll stick my
head in here now seas run in here usually there's
sport on never were sitting down. I was like, what
what's going on? Watching this the Pope the Pope's announcement,
(06:22):
like with the music and everything, I was like, Jesus,
I thought it was the lines announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
There was a peak Irish second moment for that public,
you know, people watching the Pope's announcement. Yeah, yeah, well
best to look at to Leo, even if he is American.
You know, look, it's fine, it's fine. We'll now understand
what he has to say for himself. Let's get into it.
(06:48):
Let's get into the ruggers. Because I text you at
close to the end of the match, or maybe it
was the end of the match. The the Leinster Northampton
match which were heartbroken over. But it was some crack
of a match to watch, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It was unbelievable. Was one of the best rugby matches.
I say, it's the best rum match I saw this
year and one of the best rug matches I've seen
in fucking ages. It was unbelievable. I couldn't get over
how good Northampton were. I think they could win it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Do you know what they could? They could because they
have these running lines that completely it completely debunked the
defensive system that Leinster had been kneeling fucking teams with.
It completely carved them as under something. I was like, what,
how did nobody else spot how to do this?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah? Yeah, carving is the word. You're right there, Ted
like fucking Christmas dinner, the ham the turkey like fucking
r G Snimon sorry who did not play well either.
I'm sorry now, he made absolutely no impact, just this
one hand thing that he was putting the back line
(08:04):
under pressure. He just like bang and just get stood
up and just pop the ball out and put the
team like completely under pressu because there's no offside line there.
So he didn't play well, which I was ever so
slightly satisfied with since after all the monster given out
of him being transferred, he actually didn't could not make
a difference. And then fucking little Pollock like trotting through
(08:27):
and Orgies, Orgies. Something can do is whisk his his
hand at because it was just such an unbelievable line.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Amazing and porl sam s mother god he was he
was swatting flies after back him. Come here. I've been
waiting all week, right and I haven't come around to it.
But what what's your feeling on Henry Pollock? Because I've
been wanting to ask you all week? What do you
what do you feel as a back roar? What what's
your what do you feel about him? I mean, obviously
(08:57):
we now we know he's been picked and stuff, but
as an overall player, the package everything. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So as I haven't he hasn't stood out to me massively,
obviously haven't been focused on him enough. But now that
the media is like Pollock, Pollock, Pollock, which it has
been for a while, to be fair, it gave me
a bit of an Antoine DuPont feeling where I was
like initially was like all this talk about this player,
(09:24):
like he can't be that good, And then I was
just sitting on my hands thinking like, yeah, yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like other podcasts, it's only come to light and all fairs,
you're not you're not, You're not to be blamed. I
since the twenties, I saw this guy and he was
so cocky and so loud, fucking lipius. Fuck. But there's
something about the guy and they wouldn't mention him another podcast. Dude,
they were nearly talking flippantly about him, like, well, you know,
(09:55):
he's a young flow. You know he's getting lucky at
the minute. You know, let's see him in a couple
of 's time when he goes against the big boys
and stuff. But he was doing things to monster that
time he came on, and you're like Jesus Christ. Why
is this guy? Okay, he hasn't been found out and
he's got that young full of spirit about him. But
as you said at the weekend, Oly sweet Jesus, he
(10:19):
when he did the thing, did you see what he did?
What he scored the try and he felt his pulse?
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah? But it wasn't too sure of the message. There
was it in reference to something or what.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think. I think it was just basically I
haven't I haven't even got going yet, you know what
I mean? This isn't this has done nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I was wondering, wasn't there Are we human? Or are
we leinster?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh? God? Well maybe yeah, Well that's fairly that's deep.
That's metal. Now that's getting it heavy. I think it
was more less.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Exactly what you said. Basically, he didn't even try. I
was unbelievable how he cut the line, how he used
the space. It was class like and attacking the referee
space like that's obviously the thing is like just running
in behind the referee, because that's one player that can that.
(11:11):
Referees often take a space and a defensive line, and
like you know or here obviously thought that this space
was covered, but he was further away from his connecting
defender as he than he thought or else he was
just lazy and he's not a lazy player, so the
referee often can distort like connections in the defensive line.
And fuck me, did he find the few blades of
(11:34):
grass that were left free?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
He? I don't know. There's something about it. I've really
because they were giving I think they were complaining about him,
and you know, he's so English, you know what I mean.
It's that they went to the part school and all
the rest of it. He's arrogant in English. There's something
I there's something I'm really liking about what he's bringing
to rugby, if you know what I mean. Like not
that I don't I don't want to conorm agregor fucking
(11:58):
thing coming to rugby, but it's like, yeah, hon ashamedly
fucking digging what he's what he's doing, you know that
kind of way. It's like there's you know, you see
guys go wonder tries and kind of yeah, head don't know,
and get back and get back in the line and
just do my best. And because sometimes you want to
shake fellows and go dude, just be cool. About it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think I agree with you, and I think that
like there is a place for it in rugby. But
if it is, as long as it doesn't kind of
carry into the the fans turning into yes, yes, turning
(12:42):
into wankers, because I've actually had enough of that. I'm
really sick and tired of. I spoke to someone during
the week about how the monster fans were behaving and
I heard some things that I didn't like, and I
already brought it up on the podcast. Remember I was saying,
like I'm all the great things to talk about, I
have to say monster fans were action the bollocks like
fucking kissing jerseys turning around to fans. I actually hate it,
(13:07):
and to some extent there can be great cracking it,
but not the way current rugby fans are behaving. I
don't like it. A bit of banter, a bit of
a slag and not take it personally. Is is great
as long as Henry Pollock is someone that's not going
to turn around and be like, you know, just a
(13:29):
bit of a rico yo, any kind of a thing,
or who's coming to Leinster By the way, I think
we skipped over that as well. Yeah, as long as
he's not an actual bollocks, I don't mind.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Apparently he's not. Apparently because I saw it was just
a quote from Ellis again should be you know, real
working class well, and he was like, he's everything I
grew up hating. But then I met him and I
really get on with the guy, do you know. And
it seems he's fully aware of what he is, that
his roll on the pitches to be an annoying bastard
(14:05):
and get it, like and if if that one percent
is an if it's enough of a one percent to
put somebody off their game by even one percent, great,
But it seems that an INDI every interview afterwards, he
just seemed like a genuinely nicy young chap like it
was just going, no, I know, I'm a knob, but
that's genuinely my job is to be a complete knob
and a pain in the hole. And yeah it works.
(14:27):
It fucking people, you know, it puts people off they're
fucking kilter or small bit, do you know.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I Alsome was getting kind of ef away for vibes
from him. Yeah, like the way away for fucking head down,
working hard, lifted the Irish teamher and along with other
players like which would be the same for Northampton. It's
it's not just him on his own, but that mentality
we saw it with if Away for an Ireland like I,
(14:55):
that's why I think they could win. They're just on
a they're on a they're on a buzz and I
don't know if you notice it, but every time the
camera shot to the Northampton coaches box, did you notice this?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I know it's how young they were, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, exactly. I actually looked all of them up afterwards
and I was like, who's he, Who's he? Who's he? Like,
where have they been before? What's their deal? Every time
the camera went to them before the match, first half,
after the match, there was only one time when they
weren't laughing their heads off, and that was coming up
(15:34):
to the final whistle. Every other time they were smiling,
they were laughing, they were just like it was so
nice to see, and then it would shoot to the
Leinster box and everyone's got this big, serious dog ahead
on them. I suppose Northampton were a little bit like,
we've got nothing to lose here, like, let's fucking enjoy it,
(15:57):
whereas Leinster had a lot to lose.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's that I think it portrayed on the pitch too,
because twofold. I think Leinster might have been caught in
the headlines because they were so nervous. But I also
think there has to be an element because people were
giving them forty fucking points, Like, I think there has
to be an element that they had one eye on
the final? Do you know? And they're like, you know
(16:21):
when you're not starting, fucking Barrett, I mean, I don't
care what anybody says. You're starting keen heely ahead a porter.
You're like, what and know we're saving them for the
final kind of a you know, that's all it can be.
That's all it can be. There seems to be people
seem to be perplexed by why would they do it?
Why would they do it? Because they were saving him
(16:41):
for the final, that's what They had no plans of
losing that match, you know what I mean? They were like, fuck,
this is gonna walk over. But no wonder the lads
were smiling in the in the box because all the
cool shit they told them they've been coaching their players
to do was working. Like it was just Henry Pollock.
(17:02):
There was carving, it was Finn Smith, fucking Tommy Freeman,
anybody who seemed to get it in space. They seem
like that, they seem to be hiding, they seem to
be able to disguise their line, do you know, Like Like,
I think it's a cyclical thing, and I think Ireland
as a whole has kind of been found out a
little bit, and I think we may go into slump
for unfortunately for a year or two before we find
(17:25):
another groover or freshness or something. Because you see Ireland
fucking play. You see Munster even Leinster play like there'll
be nobody come darting from fucking twenty meters back and
not get fucking stopped, do you know what I mean?
Like you see Josh Frander Fearflick, he ain't fucking doing much.
Henry Pollock is doing He's gonna get stopped because they'll
(17:45):
telegraph it a mile away. Whatever they're doing to disguise
their the run, the distance they're come and running from.
I don't know what it is, but they all seem
to any time they wanted to fucking make a break,
they were making a break. And that's yeah, against the
team that had an impeccable I think they on average
in the Champions Cup. They ten points conceded a game
(18:07):
on average. Now absolutely fucking out. So I know one
of the buys were love and life, and I think
you're one hundred percent right. What if they got to lose.
They're in the final, they've been playing, but you're right
in the ef away for him. When you said that,
I was like, Oh, you're a hundred percent right. I
there are two or three other team players that are
(18:27):
now on the Lions team as a result of Henry Pollock.
I believe he's the like, you can have a pocket
of talent, but if the confidence to go and use
it isn't there. But you see that motherfucker doing what
he's doing, You're like, yeah, just like if away for
like you know, you know, a rising tide and all
(18:48):
and all the rest of it raises all chips and
suddenly people like Alex Mitchell are now. I'd say he'll
be going in my opinion in form he'll he should
start ahead of you know, gives a park.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But the game of the weekend fucking was was good
timing for those lad For others, I'm sorry, what about
Kaylen Doris?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh jeez, I nearly didn't want to talk about it.
To be fair, we're not we're not Leinster friends, as
some people may may not be surprised by, but we
do appreciate Leinster. A bunch of ours led and we
love Kalen Doris. My god, what shitty shitty timing.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Someone made a point about him literally being like the
most consistent player for Leinster in Ireland for the last
like three years and the injury he gets was the
day the last possible, like how terrible, Like I actually
(19:53):
I can't even I can't even think about him. There's
not much else to say. He would have been captain
as well. I think he would have been captained for
ToJ Yeah, so yeah, god it got it for him.
Delighted for Bondiaki mac Hanson was the other one, that's ah,
(20:14):
he seems kind of lucky. There seemed to be some
kind of funny announcement.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Of ah, it's fucking brilliant. It's the most mac Hanson moment,
like they cut live to him. They did a zoom
call to him, and they did it to a few
fellas who were obviously you know, either in the team
room or they were you know, at home, and it
was nice and orchestrated and like a nice zoom call.
(20:39):
They get mac Hanson's down the beach right and they're like, yeah, alright.
She was like, I have speeches and which is rare
for me. And I suppose Delights he would just had
the like the guys that fucking stand up. He had
the room without being in the room. He had it
(21:00):
in convulsions. The whole place was like, yeah, I didn't know.
I heard the news and I said, I go for
a swim. You're like Jesus Christ, okay, and this is
a this is something he said something about Bundy. I
suppose I said something about, you know, Bundy bit delight
or whatever. And I need to watch it back because
(21:22):
he actually had me laughing. It was basically he was
slagging off Bundy that basically, you know, Bondy will be
talking Aboudy next because yeah, I wonder why he was
texting me to come mind the children. Do you know
it was? He signed off with something fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I must I must watch it because this is when
I just flashed up there before I came on the
call too. And there was a when you look at
like the kind of debate around the Lion's selection and
to be fair, most people are kind of mostly in
agreement with it. But the one that came up the
most was why isn't Darcy Graham being ahead of Mackanson?
(21:56):
That Darcy Graham had a much better six Nations and
he playing better, and to be fair, mack Hanson did
not have the best six Nations at all. But I
wonder if he's he's being brought as the ukulele player
like he is.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Now the boy, like he's some player. But you're a
hundred I'm one hundred percent in agreement with you. You
need a glue, you know what I mean? In the
same way like if the girls are feeling down, they
know and I can kick the door in, like the
fucking like the you know, the the it's the jug
guy you know obviously called the minute? Was he the
minute made guy?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, Like you'll just kick it in and go ding
ding ding ding d Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I would allow to say, Pat Mostard.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You're still on the I have to ride missus Riley.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Things have gone very bad and we're not saying what
mack Hanson will be up to, but I get yeah,
this is a great shout for the team. Is it's
kind of hard to read that or hear that if
you are Macknson. But like I hope, but just gives
him a chance to get back in form because he's
our you know, he was our player of the Year
last year, so.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
At the same time, I think there's a lot of
players did not didn't didn't perform well, and he was
back from injury. Fair enough, Calvin Nash was probably playing
better than him, But I suppose his potential far probably thinks,
you know what fucking needs to be a good lad.
(23:37):
But I know what I can get out of Pellas
and I know what I can get out of that fella.
He'll you know, I'll get a fucking tune out of him.
I'm telling you now, he'll he will play well if
I start him. And like he can't be all serious
fucking noses either, Like it has to be there has Yeah,
it has to be teamed. So you have to have
a he is a vital ingredient and the sea he's
(23:59):
going to get a tattoo something, do you know what
I mean? And that'll be good crack for the lads,
do you know. So it's he's definitely needed. I one
that was I suppose there was a few people talking
about it, the omission of Prendegas, which didn't come as
a big surprise.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But sorry, now whoever's talking about the omission of Prendergas
needs to get a fucking life. Are you for real?
We're talking about the lions.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I know, I know, I know, But what I'm saying
is there was talking like there was literally up until
fucking maybe four or five weeks ago. He was being
talked about a part you know himself and Finn Russell
going like do you know because they were thinking, oh,
well if Marcus Smith goes and they just didn't see
Finn Finn Smith playing as well as he has in
the last cup last month or two. But he's peoplay,
(24:47):
you know, his fucking class. They're the same age. He
wouldn't think it, would you himself and and Sam Prendegas,
Finn Smith himself. Yeah, yeah, But what what has come
to light if you do think about it the experiment
they did during the Six Nations, which we've talked to death.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I know what say because I think in the exact
same thing now.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's now rendered two Irish out ALFs completely out of
the fucking running. There's no hope that I'm going, like,
no hope, not even if somebody gets injured. There's no hope.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And I'm going I completely agree. I think Jack Crowley
was robbed of his audition because I think Jack Crowley,
Jack Crowley could have potentially played like as good as
could be for an audition for Alliance Jersey.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Undred percent, because he's a you know, he can play center.
He can play center as well. So he I genuinely
if he played, and you know what I mean, they played,
They asked him, he played, they won the six nations,
not saying it was all down to him, but he
put in performance like that.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But then that's your you know, that's your platform to
build on. Like he again where you are going back
to this conversation, But it is interesting and maybe it
only kind of come to me today that how much
and maybe any Far said before he was going out
the door, can you make sure Sam burn the gas
place because I want him to come on my line store. Yeah,
and maybe Jack Crowley, it costs Jack Crowley. Like all
(26:16):
this time, I was thinking about how frustrated Jack Crowley
must be, like literally sitting in the wings when he
didn't desire to be sitting in the wings. But he
must have been thinking, this is my time to fucking
put the work in for Lions, and I'm not being
given it unfairly, So like it was just a shambles.
How the whole thing was managed and like we said
(26:39):
it after the six nation fished, they both finished off
form and it cost a potential Lions shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, I mean you you posted about it said how
have we finished the six Nations but are two out?
Has gone backwards?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Basically I said how to kind of provoke it as
if you didn't nobody know how. Yeah, you have to
fight for your jersey unless you have that element of
something in your stomach that hyper focuses you on your
goal instead of being distracted from your goal because you're
(27:16):
worried that you don't deserve the jersey. Like it's complete too,
completely different worlds and how you approach the game and
like being handed a jersey, which is which is essentially
what they admitted when they said they were giving Sam
Prendergast a run at the Six Nations. Like they never said,
oh Sam Prendergast is the better is the better option?
They said, we're giving him a shot to be the
(27:37):
better one.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And just because I like to be an antagonist. Imagine
if you're kuring Frawle, it's in the back of the US.
Gone the fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I agreed.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, hey, listen the Lions. There'll be lots more can
talk about. The Lions were going to be very excited
following it with Gusto, and I'll probably end up down
there playing for them or something. I love your last Well,
never say never, never say never, but we have we
(28:10):
have an InterPro tomorrow night, and it looks like Munster
have gone full nice.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Before we go on to Monster and A. No, this
is very important because Come and Park finale. But I've
watched it about a thousand times. I feel like it
was like when I first discovered viral videos the b.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
L B are a try Oh my god, sorry, yes,
oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Mimy Barry. Sorry, I was calling him the Billy.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Barry, Billy Barry.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Jesus Christ Almighty, he is something else.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He apart. Can you do? You know what I often do?
And I was thinking about the same with Henry Pollock,
and I was like, can you imagine like he was like,
let's come through that fast. That means they were pretty
much that good when they were playing under eighteen. Can
you imagine it like not a million miles off that
(29:06):
he's twenty years twenty or twenty one years of age, Like,
can you imagine being under eighteen and trying to mark
that like who?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think? Yeah, agreed, it's harder to market it under
eighteen because you don't have as much time together as
a squad because you're not professionals, so defenses aren't as good,
so your defense isn't good. So I think it's really
easy to shine at an under eighteen level as a
quick winger like that, for example, or someone who can
(29:39):
just cut a line. Defense isn't as good, so you're
to be able to unless he was better or he's
better now to be able to come in at this
level professional contract and be flit bid again. More Christmas
Day like activities from the carving, Oh it was class
(30:01):
and the way he stops and goes again and turns
and the fucking inside like it was just the try
of dreams like that is is there a try? There
will there be a try the year for Investor Champions Cup,
I'm sure, but that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Was just sensational watching them, Like I mean they were
streets ahead, but you're just they weren't streets ahead. You know,
the scoreboard probably it probably didn't take a full full picture.
But at the same time, you're like, oh, Christ, this
is going to be some final. Holy shit, Like you
(30:37):
hope they're not going to cancel each other out. You're like,
score a million cool tries please.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah. I reckon Northampton could have it. To be fair,
I thought that when Monster played Bordeaux. Now bear in mind,
Bordeaux had a bit of a handy lead, so that
was kind of maybe them just sitting up a small
bet or relax and the sitting back a small but
I would say, and they let Munster back into it,
(31:02):
So I don't know if that's a trait of the
team that could potentially happen and then just not at
all in the final. So I don't know. I feel
like Northampton could have it, but fucking Billy Barry.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Like, yeah, keep the ball away from him. They're yeah,
I'm in agreement. I think the aggression and the dog
had never said I attitude that Northampton had, like to
the way they competed for the ball as cleanly as
they did in that final, that you know, the final
(31:37):
death knell at the end, which mad that Leinster didn't
go for the post. But anyway, we won't we needn't
get into that. But the fact that they did it,
so you know what I mean, they barred up and
they fucking won it, you know again, like to win
it back. There was just a serious, serious fight. I
hope it wasn't just fuck Leinster. That's why they had
(31:59):
the fight, you know, hope it wasn't just that. I
hope they still have it in the final, Like they
didn't go, oh my god, we're in the final because
there French one thing like that. The lad's be like,
but of course we are in the final.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Are you called this? Maybe it was two seasons ago.
I think it could have been at the beginning this season,
I said the Borda was gonna win, I say top fourteen.
I think I said Champions Cup. So I think I
was looking at their Champions Cup jersey when I said it,
I was like, they're going to win this.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, they're on. They're only they're not not the nicest
Jersey in the top fourteen.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Oh oh no, I know the top fourteen Jersey's fine,
it's the it's the Champions Cup jersey. I love, yeah,
Intermlanders or something.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, No, I like that one noted sorry that their
top fourteen jersey. I wouldn't be fond of it. If
nothing else, it'd be nice to see Joe Carberry getting
a Uruvene medal. Jesus say, ironicness, wouldn't it be ironic
if you came on, I can kick like the winning
penalty or something. Do you know you're like, although I
think he's injured again is the vil? I don't know, Jesus,
(33:06):
but you had typically capture to Billy Barry. We have
Munster Ulster tomorrow night. Who fucking knows? Who knows what's
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It was weird because it's like they're kind of calling
it as a finale for Peter Money who else when
we please Stephen Archer and Murray. Oh yes, of course.
But then there's another game in Musgrave Park following week.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I suppose they're homond curtain call, you know what I mean,
They're that's stupid right to not play it in Yeah,
I suppose, but you got to. I mean that would
have been set out at the beginning of the season.
Is to give you gotta you gotta split split the
books because the car crowd, you know what they're like
if you're not playing below there, you know, drinking Murphy's
at the boar. Yeah, I mean they go to the
(34:04):
you know, I fucking hate it. I hate emotional stuff.
I hate it. I really you know when it's when
it's monsters, like you have a full savage team. I
hope we don't have to rely on let's do it
for Pete kind of a thing, like there should be
an element of the other players going yeah, no, I'll
do it for Pete, all right, but kind of fuck
Pete at the same time, like we want to stay
(34:24):
in this thing and win the fucking thing. We have
six like they came. You know, when they did win it,
they'd run a they've been playing like shite and then
they run of five or six matches where they just
won it all and ran all the way to the end,
having to go to South Africa or whatever. But you know,
i'd i'd sooner them do it off actually putting together
a line out and no drop balls please, no mistackles.
(34:46):
That'll be great because when they do string it together,
it's unbelievable. And then by the same token Ulster like
a baby's arse. Do you know what I mean? You
don't know what they're going to do. They go nineteen
nil up against the Sharks. I was doing. It's so
mad when I watch game while it's on the TV
at the comedy club, because I'll pop out, I go,
oh and sometimes you know you're biting your nuckles. Gone
for Fox, I walked in and out like nineteen and
(35:09):
look right, fair play time walk back out nineteen nineteen?
What what is wrong with you? You fucking had him?
How do you let him back by nineteen points for
the love of Jesus, Like come.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
On, Irish Republican vibes nineteen nineteen, Like.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Definitely if there's one province in Ireland that would be
feeling Irish rub Yeah, you never know, a couple of
maybe mccluskin, a few more, maybe maybe maybe Henderson, Yeah
yeah maybe, but so yeah, that get kicks off, and
I mean it's a shout out to poor Ole Dave
(35:55):
kill Coyne as well. Oh yeah, he said to throw
in the towel. The injuries just got the better of him.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But it's funny. When he popped up, I was and
it was like, oh, he'll he'll retire whatever, Jesus, he's
still playing. But I I, you know, I was like,
he hasn't had a chance to kind of put a
stamp on the final, like if she's like me, yeah,
she's still she still plays. I was in, I was,
(36:24):
I went into oh no, sorry, never mind, I'll tell yeah, finish.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Someone's to have. Let both teams have to win both
board games to even get into the into the playoffs,
but to make it, to make it too, if nothing,
at the very least Europe next year, which would be
kind of you know, your man this new Do you
know anything about your man Clayton McMillan. He sounds like
a hotel chain.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I know nothing about the lad But what you're right
talking about Europe, Like if you look back at I
was looking back at all the previous European Cup winners,
Like there's teams in there, and I know France is
a slightly different kettle of fish, but it's still reality.
(37:18):
There's teams in there that are now in like French
Federal Division, like whatever, fucking like it can happen, and
like the teams that you know, like you can it's
a slipperyal slope and no, we're lucky in Ireland that
we only have four professional teams, so you can kind
of keep an eye, your eye on the ball with
all of them. But like monster slipping down, like that's
(37:39):
that's Jesus. We have to we have to avoid that,
Like there has to be more pride put into Irish
Ruggy here and not have that happen.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, apparently your man is bringing a is bringing a
loose head with him. I think I don't know a
kee we loose head with him, this Clayton McMillan hotel brand.
But you're right, mhmm.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
You want to bring a few more bits than that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I suppose he would, he would. I think what
we've we've centers, and Andrew Smith was signed as when
we sent a center I think is a Dan Dan
Kelly is a man's name. He's coming from Lester. He's
a big prospect. Probably need a bit more bulk in
a round back row, second row. You know, a killer
would be nice. I mean Smith and the rest of
(38:31):
I mean something. I mean, you're never going to get
your hands out of Billy Barry, but can like be
greateous robber ga player or something that's a complete another
freak of nature can run you know, under meters in
like nine seconds or something. Be just can we get
one of them somewhere?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
You should sign away for fuck yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Sign away for everybody? Like she's do you know what
I mean? Yeah? Yeah, I agree. Hey, listen, we both
need to go sleepy. Guys. You need to put your
cap on the right way round. No more of this
backward stuff. You're not Bart Simpson. If I say, a
skateboard under your rapp next next week, we're having That's
(39:15):
not bad. Actually that's not bad. We're having serious words
hopefully Monster and get it done. We'll be watching more
and more line stuff as as it unravels and it
starts to ramp up and whatnot. And I think maybe
one of the weeks will pick an altern it for Lions,
do you know what I mean? A Lions relatable thing,
maybe like a father, you know, father tailed Lions.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Team father, Romeo Sencini.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
He's the over seventy or the is it the over
seventy fives or the under seventy fives?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, that's who Monsters should sign Romeo Si right, Mind
the rocks, Mind the rocks, it's the Banana and Bears
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