January 9, 2025 • 44 mins
After some fairly spot on predictions/hopes for 2024 our mystical due get to wrapping up and looking back at rugby and players of the year gone by with a dreamy look to 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Banana and Rubbie.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And we are here. We're late to the part of
what we're here for, for wrapping up the year. In
all fairness, not too much has happened this side of
twenty twenty five, but we're here, we're wrapping up the year,
and we find Anna looking very stylish abroad in some
fancy plays, talking fancy things to fancy people. How you
keeping we to them?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
All?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
You know, France, you have to say when you're like,
you don't actually say hello to anyone at this time
of year.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You say, you start with bon Anna, happen again?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I suppose coind of like with you at home. Yeah,
have in a year, but like you don't even say
a load of people.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You just say, have year? Happen a year?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
If you see this for the first time, and then
if you have you seen them for the second time,
and you you repeat yourself, or if you see them
for the first man you don't say it, you actually
curl up into a ball and die.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, yes, well it's interesting you say that because right
now where I where I am, that's pretty much what
everybody is doing in the ten mile radius around me,
Because there is three miles of ice sitting on top
of us right now. Like literally, there's a kind of
a ferrety looking squirrel filet run around with an acorn.
There's a wooly mammoth. There's it's just ludicrous. Yeah it's Chris.
(01:19):
There is no crack to we had. It's yeah, it's
a frozen wasteland everywhere. We're having to ration whatnot because
who knows can you get to the shop next? And
then all of a sudden it's going to be no
levels of flooding come the weekend. People are you know this?
And there's people in Dublin right now listen to this
(01:40):
aging Yeah what I do?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They it's purely the south of the country has gotten
purely because we're so class that we had to be
taken down a notch.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We've big listenership.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
In Dublin, might' say, especially after oh we'll see, especially
after the fiasco with the keys last year. My key's
going missing and all of the me getting in touch
with the Leinster Supporters Club and the Linds Supporters putting
out a call for me to find my keys. Right,
I found I found my pit because I think that
was that was twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Oh no, sorry it was focused no pits. But that's
this week Leinster coming this weekend to long Shell. So
the return of the lads looking further looking to steal
some keys, oh Leinster, And I know I'm staying well
well away from him.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's yeah. What did the If anybody listened to last
year's wrap up, well we did. We tried to meet up,
but again it just between the jigs and the reason
that we didn't get to meet up. But we so
were like passing ships in the night. But if anybody
in the last year's one, we weren't too far off
with our yearly wrap up and our hopes and dreams
and whatnot. We were probably for two people that dick
(02:55):
about a fair bit. We got that one, all right,
We were all you know, we were all right on
that one. So we'd be following sepers.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, I must say the hopes and dreams.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So when I when I listened back to our yearly
wrap up last year, the hopes and dreams. First of all,
we spoke about the Irish women and how we just
wanted them to be absolute like crazy women, like grown
uale warriors, and why fuck did they do that?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And more so, you're welcome. You're welcome because I yeah,
I'm just saying that there's a strong possibility that they
were listening to the podcast and they figured out since.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The look they were, do you know what else was
listening to our podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Now, I'm not so proud of this prediction, and I
was only kind of half right.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So in my.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Prediction for twenty twenty four, I said, you know what,
I wouldn't mind if we lost some Six Nations games,
and I was like, maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Even England, right for I predicted that much.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
However, the caveat was I don't find is losing games
as long as we're like blooding young players, and that
is I feel not satisfactory enough.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So far.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
We're still kind of running out the old boys, still
losing games with you know, you don't mind losing while
you're learning, but like, we have some players there that
have kind of learned as much as they can and
we need to go. You know, all all of the
talk of the youth in the country, we seem to
be protecting them an awful lot. So it was only
half right. I've predicted the England lost what I thought
(04:31):
it might be more at the hand or in a
way that it was because we were learning, But I
don't think that was the case for Ireland this year.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I wonder is our Ireland kind of financially between
two stools that are like, we're doing okay, but do
we have the finances to go er throw everything all
the young fellers in there and see what happens in
would have bid to going after the World Cup, And
I think that's maybe we haven't gotten there yet. Where
we have where we can we can take the the flack,
(04:58):
although I'm saying that, like you know, and maybe I
don't know how much money is the likes of South
Africa is because they'll just do what they need to
do in between World Cups to get to the World Cup,
like you know that kind of ways. So I think
the pressure's onto you better own every Fron match. That's
the reality, because we're charging one hundred and fifty go
bit a ticket right now and you better be winning
every frog match.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So well, if you came to my seminar this week,
it's really interesting because I give a seminar about rugby.
So it's just a it's basically an English boost for
the students, but they've got to do you know, a
subject all week long through English discussions, presentations, all the rest.
But my seminar is about rugby, Rugby in the community,
rugby for personal development, rugby, like obviously it's a metaphor
(05:41):
for sport itself, but we just talked about rugby and
like Larachelle is such an interesting case about how they've
like built this sustainable model where basically the whole the
season ticket holders and the local business owners are the
ones who own the stadium. And uh, I'm sure I
alwayspoken about this in the last podcast, but at the
(06:03):
weekend they played to lose and it was their one
hundreds sold out game in a row. So it's an
amazing product that they've built and something that other countries, nations.
You know, it's different because it's between club and country.
What you're talking about just there financially, but it's something
to be looked at and studied for.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
For Shizzle, well, this goes back to everything. Once you
have a once you got some skin in the game,
you're going to put an effort in promoting it. Like
that's why, like you, if I from my point of view,
if I'm working with a theater or whatever. If I'm working,
they go, you just want to do a venue higher,
and like, no, no, we'll do a ticket split, because
if I do a venue higher, you're going to sit
in your hands and just go yeah. But if we're
(06:44):
done a venue split, like a door split, then you're
going to put some efforting because you've got to sell
it as well. So it's the same kind of thing cooperative,
like what you're talking about, the co op that is
the stadium in Larichell. You guarantee that all every business
that has any any body of skin in the game
has a Larry Shell flags hanging out the front. They're
pumping it. You could probably buy you know, you might
be a take it there. And once that team is everywhere,
(07:07):
then all of a sudden, the train. You know, it's
hard to stop that train. But there seems to be
quite a disconnect I think between the people and the
irview right now or the r few is a very
good business. But in the long term, like you said,
and you're still for the one. You know, you're still
still putting keen heally on the bench. No, no, no, no,
(07:29):
nothing in the.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Man but absolutely and we can come maybe come back
to this and touch it again.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In our hopes and dreams for next year. Yes, but agreed, agreed,
our hopes and dreams, we can. We can talk about
those before.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We get into our pits and peaks, by the way,
peaks and pits Player of the Year, which is how
we will run our new our new year wrap up
or twenty twenty four wrap up. Can we talk about
Mac Canson? Yes, well, mack Hanson who was last year's
winner Banana and Bears d Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And I believe he was delighted, delighted to win.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he was shouting from the rooftops,
shout out to Mac again. Because we actually haven't had
a chance to speak about this. Yes, the listeners haven't
got in on this conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
With us just yet. But mac Hanson obviously what days today?
Did he? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
No, he heard his punishment yesterday work and I haven't
heard do you know what he got?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What comes?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I let me just google it now one second, man, So.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Just a quick background for a quick recap before we
are to now he basically in a postmatch interview. Oh
my god, it was actually so it was really sad
to watch, but it was really like inspiring, like he
knew he shouldn't have been saying the things he was saying,
and he said, we feel like, you know, the odds
(09:00):
against us all the time. We feel like we never
get called. And you know, a lot of people are
criticizing him, like, you know, he's not supposed to be
saying these things. But when you're withthstanding something for so
long that eventually you just have to say something, you'll
take the punishment and you know that there's something coming.
It's a little bit like when Clean Maloney sent that tweet,
(09:21):
he didn't care about what the consequences might be because
you're so sick of it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And you could hear that in his voice. He was
so sick of it.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And he's not wrong, because like unconscious bias is a
really strong thing and it's something that needs to be
studied and spoken about. But like, for example, the way
I was thinking about this was if you are if
you're conduct, who's you know, more often than not, an
underdog team and you're up against a stronger team. Actually,
let's not use conduct first as an example. The the
(09:52):
example to look at is like New Zealand. New Zealand
all blacks.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Who you know, everyone is saying like they're.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
So illegal all the time, they're always offside. There are
always this rich McCall all us offside, always given away
penalties that aren't given because the referees have a high
regard for the New Zealand all blacks, So when it
comes down to the split decision, they're obviously thinking like
all that, you know, in a split second, like in
your mind, well, that was obviously really good because it's
(10:21):
the all blacks. That was obviously the right thing to
do because it's all blacks. And when it comes to conduct,
standing's like, oh that they're obviously offside because they're conduct
and that sounds a bit simple and lass and like oh.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That sounds pretty stupid for a referee to be saying.
But it's it's much deeper than that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Like when I studied education, we looked at this amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Study where they put a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Kids in a room, right, and they asked all the
teachers beforehand, like do you think you were biased towards
any ethnic groups, minority groups or things like that, And
all of the teachers said, no, absolutely not. I'm a
really fair teacher. I'm really open to you know, uh,
I'm not close minded, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm not biased.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They all just full stop, No, I'm not biased on
the teacher for a long time, I'm not biased. And
then what they did was they recorded the eye movements
of the teachers and they said to the teachers, we're
going to show you a classroom of kids and one
of them is misbehaving. Let's see how quickly you can
find them. Where did all of their eyes go to
(11:28):
the split second movements their eyes go are directly to
the groups that they said they were not biased against
all of them, all of them.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So and they were devastated. I remember reading about it,
and the teachers were saying they were so devastated that
they thought they weren't biased. So it's like, in it's
not something you can explain. They thought they weren't biased.
So it's like referees. We know referees are there to
be fair, referees are not there to cheat. But there
has to be some kind of under level understanding of
(11:57):
how this looks, how you think and forms? Yeah, forms,
so you think.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's human decisions in literally a split second with so
many moving parts, So yeah, not not to take a
take the Whurley to the back of the the the
arts of these referees. But it is tough when when
the characters STACKEDIC stacked against it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Absolutely, and it's tough for the referees too.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's what I mean. And it's it's what are you
supposed to do in that matterment? Because if it's happening
over and over, it isn't just a one referee. But
I was just looking up. Mackenson has been banned for
three matches, will be available for start the Ireland six
Nations campaign and Conduct have received a ten grand vine.
They didn't need that and Hanson must make a full
apology to referee Chris Bosby. It was initially a six
(12:43):
week band but Hanson's misconduct for three weeks, but three
weeks to suspend it. He was they felt that he
was attaching a learning process would have a more positive
outcome rather than merely applying a player sanction. Yeah, he
must make a full apology and the player must undertake
appropriate course he might be able to do with you
(13:07):
a match officiating as decided by tap Henning and Conduct
must run an education session with their players about how
to conduct themselves in post match media sessions.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Wow ah Jesus, yeah, yeah, okay, they have they have
to do all those things, and like it is the
right thing to do. It's pretty hefty, ten grand right,
what we should do for our Player of the Year
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We need to mckanson winner. We need to do a gofundmeat.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. For me, I was my first
thought was like, yeah that, I wonder can they write
that off of the text clearance? Like well that with
that anyway? But the yeah, the fact that they all
have to go into this, do you know what, Like
we were briefly talking beforehand, I think this will ripple
in the same subcond just affect. I wonder will there
(14:01):
be a bit of cotton wool now in you know,
around conduct because you don't want to be the next
next Matt Bosby either, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
But if you think of those teachers for example that
I was just using as an example there, the next
time that you know, something like this happens out of
pure you know, like grit to stand by what you
thought you were, which was unbiased, You're not going to
look that way.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You're going to look elsewhere. So let's see how you.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Know, they're like, oh, they always feel like the penalties
are against them.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
No they're not, see Bob, Yeah that wasn't now.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Only of the well known rugby journalist. He did a
bit of a you know, a bit of an investigation
down through the years that the stats turns out Macnson
was right. They absolutely and I mean they're learning the
same rugby rules as everybody else. It's not that they're
just habitual penalty you know offenders. They literally get more
(15:06):
decisions given against them than anybody else. And there was
a there was an interesting one whe that was I
don't know, is that the the board of the irifew
or it was a it was a rugby board that
was to have five members and yeah, you see that
it was to be, but there would always be seven
put forward to go for it, and it would be
(15:27):
two from Ulster, Monster, Leinster, one put forward from Conduct,
and nine times out of ten it would be five
taken from two from Leinster, two from Monster and one
from Ulster. And look conduct. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But it's also kind of a it's been passed down
through the years, you know, to hell or to conduct
connucht are always kind of the Bridesmaids, you know, like yeah, historically,
you know it's it's is it ingrained in us? Is
it something that we need to really kind of look at,
which is kind of now transcended into rugby. So I
(16:04):
have very interesting conversation and like let's see how it progresses.
But we'll start our go fund meet for Monsieur Hansen
in due course.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Right, let's get point, let's get into the show you have,
You've got children to teach and.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Start waiting to come back in the Cortoria and joking
that we have have a while, so we'll get to
We'll start with our pits so we can work towards
the peaks. Share some of your pits of the year
for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There is like that it was the for me, the
non blooding of of Irish players, of Irish talent coming through.
I know we're seeing sam Brandicas come bursting through at
the minute, like but there we're not seeing anything in
the centers. We're not seeing any fresh faces really popping
up in the second row. A bit of a worry
(16:59):
about the front row, but yeah, you know what I mean.
Depth is like again to hit HARKing back to them,
but they are the two time world champions. Like we
go to South Africa like and you could literally switch
out the entire team for the next lads in and
we know all their names, do you know what I mean,
you'd near, you'd know everybody coming in all right, because
(17:19):
we've seen them already. They've got to run, they've got
to you know, and they're they're up to that speed
now on that standard. And you see lads when they
come on, you know there was one or two like
but I mean, you see lads when they come on,
You're like, you know, they just try to get through
the thirty minutes they're getting or whatever, just try and
stay out of the way, not not do it and stupid.
Whereas you know, if they were on their seven or
(17:40):
eight or ninth cap but you go, ah, you know,
they'd be a bit looser or whatever. So that for
me would be one major one. I think my biggest
pit of the year, My pit pit of the year
was the surprise, the huge surprise in Rowntree vacating the
(18:02):
property and we're still no real reasoning behind it. We
don't fully know. I haven't gone looking, I haven't gone
asking anybody really like, but even Monster still kind of
dangling in the wind whatever way you look at it.
They do not have a set head coach and with
that they won't have an identity to lock themselves onto.
And we kind of saw that coming up in the
(18:22):
Leinster match. Yeah, they had sports of individual classiness which
didn't really show against against Ulster because that's that's the difference,
is that Leinster literally monstered Monster on what they did
to to Ulster the previous week. So they're kind of
dangling in the wind with no real head coach. We
(18:42):
don't know what because the plan is so unfortuity. That's
my major pit of the year. Well, you know, with
no massive drama, I don't Yeah, I doubt that would
be the biggest one for me. I think what about yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I think I have very similar pits to you in that, Yes,
the non blooding of young players, and I also have
the Monster decline.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Decline is probably a.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Very strong word, maybe more stagnation, Yeah, is maybe a
bit more appropriate. And kind of to add to that,
the gap between Leinster and everyone else so is worrying.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Rgi Snyman was a real pit.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, and I know, just another an extra addition to
that which the listeners will be sick of me not about.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
People fighting online and given out about Irish people online.
Online animosity, especially from the South Africans, has been really
hard to take.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's been a real pit.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I do, well. I kind of find when it's online.
I find it funny because, like you know, I'm I'm
old in my head because I don't when I see
stuff online, it's like, oh yeah, but they're not in
front of me, so it's not really real, Like do
you know what I mean, It's like people shouting at
you through the windscreen of their cars. It's like, Okay,
it's not really real. It's fine. But yeah, I do
get it. I do the animosities. But I guess that's
(20:17):
maybe what what sport is now.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's it's I just I suppose I never really heard
so much of it against Irish people, never heard animosity
at all against Irish people ever in my life really,
so to have people really really hating on Irish people,
it's been really sad.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I do I every so often, like because we do
think of ourselves as been the most loved nation in
the world, like you know what I mean, we think
of ourselves as been. So there's almost that moment I
find myself when when you when I see that kind
of stuff from especially like South Africa and stuff, and
some England fans they're like, yeah, fuck you are, and
I nearly like you. I turn into like a Southern
(20:57):
bell like with my you know, my lazy and just
going oh ma. I did not expect such a rash
response to where's my sainting chair? I get the vapus.
I'm I don't know what to do with myself, like
we were lovely, We're absolutely lovely. Why don't you like us?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Loves us?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I know, so, yeah, it is a bit of a
tough one to take, but yeah, it's yeah, I mean
to be I suppose we're monster leaning in that we're
probably both kind of disappointed with I mean again and
not a third year where the S and C is
just I don't know what's going on. You have like
fifty nine million players in the in the physio the
(21:41):
physio's room, like just again, just and you know they
might all come right towards the end of the season,
but who knows, Like any humorous pits for.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You, no, like listening back to last year, like the
amount of times I nearly died in twenty twenty three, Yeah,
are compared to twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Was this a massive gap there?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I couldn't think of any times I nearly I nearly
kicked the bucket into twenty twenty four, So.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, I can't think of any What about you? No?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean for me, I suppose the humorous pit was
do you know, like I was kind of laughing at
at the abuse, like the as we were talking about
South Africans given Irish people, Like the sheer shit that
Argie Sneimer was getting from the sideline was kind of
cracking me up. The small bit Like Yes, jameson Gibson
(22:36):
Park deciding to shave his head off, I hear off.
I was hoping he was going to do like a combover,
to be honest with you, I thought that was the
way to go. You know, when the hair is going
fully show, why not do a bobby charge on and
have a combover. Do you know everybody's grown funny mustachious
nowadays to try and you know, be individual, maybe for
sponsorship or whatever. I think a combover would have been
the right job there, rather than to just go full
(22:57):
Parisse and shave the thing off. I'm I'm that's not
you might as well come over flapping in the wind?
Does he blowing in the wind?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It'd be a good tell tale, like for you know,
like if you ever, if you've ever been outsailing, the
tell tales are those little tails that actually stick on
the top of your your sales, so you know the
way the wind is blown. And it would have been
a good tell tale today for the out half. If
you just before the past that Jefferson gives over was
just flapping in a certain direction. You're like, oh, all right,
(23:33):
it's a little fifty two degrees north there. I'll just
put a little spin on that, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It you become a little bit easier to find on
the pitch.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Sometimes there's a lot of depends who you're playing or
who's involved in the team, but sometimes there's a lot
of shiny heads going on, and you're like, who's that?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So, but a nine is easier to find in the
field than anyone else. So even with his shiny head,
I'm sure we will. Yeah, but you're right, the hair
k off his head onto his chin.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yes, yeah, he got it. He has an upside down
headed hair now it's just hanging upside down off his chin. Yeah,
fair play, fair play. So that's our pits mine mine.
Being very surprised and from a personal point of view
in meeting the man, thinking, geez, this guy's in here
forever clearly not was grame Rowntree leaving monster? And yeah,
(24:26):
so we will skip out of the sadness and into
are we gonna go our player the year first?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Where do you play there?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Into our peaks?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Perfect?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Perfect? So who who did you have?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Kind of considering that, you know, the Irish what we
spoke about in terms of the Iris seem like it
wasn't the most exciting. No one really jumping out of
me obviously like great performance. So it's like I always
love watching Kiln Darres. Unfortunately player there last year mcanson
was injured for a lot of the season. Standout clearly
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or for me someone who made me go like Jesus
was Eth a wafer?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah? Snap no, yeah, yeah, yeah it couldn't. You know
what I was so excited for for Calvin Nash when
he got the you know, he got he got to
not and and he showed his worth too, like he
didn't look out of place in any way. But it
was again with the with the lack of drama. And
(25:37):
I suppose a couple of Irish players have in the
men's side of things, done great things, you know, as
they're supposed to do because they're you know, they're they're
well paid and whatnot. They're in a team full that's
whatever way you look at it, and you go, okay,
we failed at the World Cup. There's savage momentum all
the time behind the Irish team. Like there's you that
(25:59):
these savage players playing ahead of you. It's it's I'm
not saying it's going to be an arm tray right
like but at the same time, like your symbolics if
you make a complete of it, like because you've got
such good distributed distribution around you, receivers around you, momentum
gainers around you. You know, get with the program. If
you're put in there, you're there for the right reasons.
(26:21):
And you know a lot of you know, a lot
of fellas did they grasp They grasped with both hands.
But yeah, for me, why And I'm sure there's probably
similar reasons, not least because she aligns with exactly what
we said about hopes and dreams were last year. But
there are nucleus moments where you can go all the
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way back and find the turning points in A great
story needs a good obbin, you know, a suddenly moment,
like every great story needs that. You can't just blend
softly and then all of a sudden everything was lovely,
we all live happy. You have to have drama and
then a turning point, a twist, and the twist was
(27:03):
if Away for literally lighting the fuse, and that's what
we said, we wanted she like she lit a fuse
around everybody, because you watch that going aheady and you're like, well,
all right, all in, and I wonder like we'll we
be able to pinpoint that moment, you know, you go
back through you know, like the gun that started World
(27:25):
War One is in the museum somewhere. Well, well that
was the start of it, you know, the Frans Ferdinand
moment and all the rest of it. Not compare the
way the World War One to Irish rugby, but you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Know, not too far off, like.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Being hitded at me to go well, I mean, you
know they were both serious transfer then there you go
the same thing. But I'm just wondered, like, and I'm
hoping that it is. It was the fuse lighter that
will propel you know, women's rugby, Irish women's rugby. Yeah,
(28:06):
well women's rugby whatever, but fucking Irish women's rugby more
importantly and greatness from here on outline.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, well you know what, yes, sorry, no.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm just saying we've seen the numbers, We've seen the
interest now is definitely definitely growing, like you know within
the British isles, it's definitely growing. You know, you've seen
that American woman. Her name has not come to my
mind immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Do you know.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's great, it's it's great for the sport, but it
needs to be backed up. But when you if you decide,
I'll roll the dice like we said, and we will
go to a women's game. See what happened. Do you
see Etho Waiver just you know, pulling up trees. You're like, well,
this was well worth coming to. You know, even if
you've never watched the lique of rugby, you'd have to
look at that scenario and goo, yeah, yeah, she just
crushed four people on the way to the line from
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twenty meters. I want to get into this sport.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, well, I have to say, and often like all
of us because you know, tradition kind of tells us so,
but we use like the men's game as the default
and then the women's as the as the exeter. But
the fact that we've both landed on the same player
because we just said Clay of the year, a lot
of people might think like straight away about the men's players.
The fact that we've both said away for as Banana
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Bears twenty twenty four Road Player of the Year is
just a sign of hopefully things to come, sign of
the way it's gone, sign of how fucking good she's
been and how exciting it is for like coming into
a World Cup year that the default starts to change
and the tides start to change, and we can only
(29:41):
ask for that in women's way. It's all we've ever
really wanted is like the fair equal opportunities to have
the same opportunities and you know, all of the benefits
of sports.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're not reserves just for men. So the fact that
this is you know, even something like this now small.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Little podcast with our twenty nine listeners, shout out to you,
my sister, uh, you know, just just just the fact
they're like, okay, we've got to pick our player of
the year. Bang straight away, we've both chosen a young
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Granuale woman of Ireland, Monona here and like fuck yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And you know, for anybody kind of wanted, without a
doubt there are there would have been male contenders. For sure,
there would have been like like that. You know, there's
you know in the peak of the year for me,
you know, I could have gone down the same route,
but there were. But if you want to look at
somebody who's a game changer, who has literally changed the
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game from when it was in the doll drums of
last year, has changed the the not the luck is
the wrong word, but the faith possibly going forward into
a World Cup year and it brought on players you
just need one, it would seem you just need one
Colosses to just bring on the players around her and
(31:04):
uh yeah, we got a World Cup. Imagine imagine if
they want it? Can you can you imagine if they
want it?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
We like what, well, I hope we're listening back to
this in the year's time, but we'll get it. Let's
let's segue into our peaks there now, because one of
my peaks.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Was our Ireland beating New Zealand the women obviously in Canada.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
That was a real rugby peak for for Irish rugby
and personally for me. Winning the French Championship with Larachelle
was personal peak.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So they're the two I've chosen for my peak, which
there were many others.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
But I suppose kind of the year after the World
Cup as well for the men, like you know, it
was kind of I suppose you might expect it to
be a little bit of a down year, but like, uh,
there was a great win down in Marseille for the
men's team.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That I was down. I was really lucky to go to.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I went to the Monster game in Tulan, which was
an amazing uh win for Monster. That was at the
beginning of the year as well, So there was I
had a couple of good rugby peaks. But yeah, definitely
Arland beat New Zealand and Larachelle winning Elie to they're
my two overriding picks for twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Uh yeah. Again, like there's always a vacuum after the
after a World Cup, so you're kind of gone, Jesus Christ,
that me, what are we supposed to get excited? About here,
you know, because you just that dopamine fix is not
being hit every single week by unbelievable highs and lows.
But yeah, I do you know what kind of aside
to rugby, Well, I suppose it was on a personal
(32:46):
point of view, getting the host slash roast the rugby
players ball from Monster was was a great highlight. Yes,
not that anybody got because it was an in house affair,
but it was. It was seriously good fun and great
to see that all you're real people who have real
worries because you take you know, I was talking with
you talk with some of these guys and you're like,
(33:06):
oh right, you're a real person with real worries and
real fears and real Jesus Christ. You just got to
get you know. And this is a job. You got
to go to work and everybody's watching your work, and
if you ain't working at one hundred percent, everybody can
you know when to put it in context, Like everybody
listening has a job. You go out to work, do
you do you knock it out of the park every day?
You fucking don't you know what I mean? And you've
(33:28):
nobody really pulled on you, but you have twenty seven
to thirty thousand to one hundred thousand people watching you
when you're a professional rugby player, so it's you know,
it was very very interesting from that point of view.
The women beating New Zealand. Of course, man, the investment
just on on the hill that that was to conquer
(33:51):
when we're all we were doing was hoping and dreaming
that they could put it, you know, show us, show
us something. And they got beat from New Zealand, you know, amazing.
But my overall peak, just purely in a five second
moment was and we haven't a poor fellow, we haven't
seen hiding hear him since nobody's talking about him. Was
(34:11):
Kieran Frawley's drop goal roy the Rovers moment beat in
South Africa. It was just like a class a class.
If you never do nothing again in your life, that's class,
do you know? That's the stuff every single person in
whatever your sport is, you'd love to just win it
for your team in a clutch moment like that and
(34:32):
the reverie blows the whistle, do you know? So that
that was that was my peak for the year was
Karen Frawley, who, again nobody's talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It, how funny, what a great peak as well.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, and yeah, you're right, how strange that that wasn't big,
that wasn't banging down the door. We all thought that's
what it was. He just he'safter banging down the door.
Now he's in, and then that's just the way it goes,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But at least we have that.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Moment for the men's team for this year, because yeah,
the thing is, we haven't actually mentioned we did actually
win the Six Nations, even though I know we didn't
win the Grand Slam. But also, like you said, that
vacuum that we weren't too caught up on it in
a post World Cup year. But a yeah, fucking great
moment for for Kian Frowley.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I was in I was in LA when that happened.
I was coaching.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
We were on the side of the pitch, all crowded
around a tiny little phone watching him do that. So
uh yeah, yeah, great moment.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's mad you could tell me from the past year.
Do you remember time I was in Japan or I
was I'd have to I could not put my hand
on the Bible in the court of Long and go
No she wasn't because you could be I could find
you anywhere, like that's the reality. So h you were
in La at the time? Page? Yeah, okay, yeah, fair.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And long made last Yeah. Well, on that note, we'll
talk about my students starts line up.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Side or twenty twenty five hopes in dreams. So, so
do you have some I I do?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I would hope to see an entire fifteen from Ireland
playing for the Lions, even though it's not gonna happen obviously,
Oh Jesus, I'd be very very interesting. My hopes and
dreams are that under easter be we do see and
I'll put it forward like we did last year, see
a couple of new new heads that we weren't expecting
putting their name forward and get getting getting a run
(36:36):
during the year. Why not. It's kind of a I
think this one is a bye if you get me,
you know what I mean. I think this one is like,
give it a go. I don't know if we're going
to I'd say they'll be a fair bit coming back
from from the bass man, even though he's gone with
the Lions and stuff like that. There is there was
talks of obviously Finnrusses starting at ten and then Sam
Prendergas going Okay, all right, we'll see what the kids,
(36:59):
will see what kid's got. But right now, I mean,
I don't know if that would be the case, but
my hopes and dreams for this year, do you know what?
And I'm gonna put it down to one one player
and much like I would hope to see any away
for Style Man to fuck kind of a moment. Yeah,
(37:20):
my god, I hope he stays injury free because I
think great things will come from him because he's got
the attitude. It's Tomaharn I would love to see. I'd
actually love to see Tomaharn. And this is no slight
on on Tyde Burne, who is definitely going on the
Lion's tour, but I'd love to see Toma Hearn made
the captain. He has, he has the sauce. I know
(37:43):
what I see. Yeah, he has the sauce. I'm telling you,
I see it. I know what I'm looking at when
I'm looking at people when it's in whether it's good
enough for management or good enough for leading something. I
know what i'm looking at and what i'm looking at.
There is somebody who can be the boss. It might
take another year or two, But I think, I yeah,
(38:03):
I think he could be the boss, the proper boss,
like he took the even even against Leinster the other day,
like it was almost I was watching it, and I
hate being the nors that watches things, like all the
cameras when are in the dressing room when it switched
between the two, you see Leinster all still in a
circle in the dressing room giving each other a pep
(38:24):
at halftime, Monster or dandering around the fucking place nearly
like Aircher. Look will go out and see what happens
kind of thing. He's gone around banging people on the chest.
He comes going all guns blaze and every opportunity he had, like, no,
I think we got it wrong. Maybe injury and age
whatever had gone against him, But I think that's the
(38:46):
I think that's the next boss, if you ask me,
that's who it should be because he had, Yeah, he
has it. He has the thing and that I'd be
looking for. He has that thing. And it's not that
he's six foot ten and can play full back as well,
but he has, yeah, the sauces in there, and I
think I think that's that would be my hope and
(39:07):
dream to see greater things coming from tom Ahearn.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I can't wait to listen back to this next year
and be like you fucking called it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I loved it. I'd love to.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
And to add to that with the women's World Cup,
I just want to see an outstanding tournament from the girls,
whatever that might look like. So the furthest Ireland women
have got is the World Cup semi final code they
go a step further and get to a final. Now,
if you had told me this time last year Ireland
(39:42):
would beat New Zealand, I would have been like, absolutely,
no fucking way, that's not possible. Since we're here now
and might as well say it because you know, a
year's time, imagine if we're listening back to this being
like you know, you would have thought, no fucking way,
not possible. But to get to a World Cup final,
I think they're definitely capable of getting to a World
(40:03):
Cup final. Winning a World Cup final will depend on
obviously who the other team is. We might presume it's
going to be England, and the thing about England is
they're shaky at a World Cup final, so who fucking knows,
but to go for this team to go one step
further than we've always gone and get to a World
(40:23):
of final. My god, what that would mean.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So is your hope and dream for them to get
to a workup final or to win the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
To get to a World Cup final, because no, nothing
that I'm hoping they don't win.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
But then it's kind of left to fit, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's up to the gods at that stage. Yes, yeah, yeah,
it's a different different Yeah, you're in a different realm.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Exactly exactly, and and you know, a World Cup final
doesn't exist without all of the steps beforehand. So it's
just positive, like like massive steps for them beforehand, and
just that they have another like another year that even
surpasses this year would would just be so huge for
them and for for women's rugby and for women's rugby
(41:13):
in Ireland and Irish rugby in general.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So that's my hope for them.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I agree with you on seeing younger players in the
Irish men's team, like, come on, and especially when the
lines coming.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Up, it's probably a good good time for us to
see that. I'm saying I was.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I might go to some of the lines games. I
have kind of a small plan for the summer so
let's see what happens there. When you're saying, they're like,
I don't know, you could be saying like you're in Vegas,
Like that's what I That's one of my hopes and
dreams for this year is to just fucking get out
(41:51):
the door and keep traveling because I am finishing my
playing career this year. Yes, So my big, big hope
and dream is to finish my playing career on a
high and to really really enjoy these last few months
playing and stay injury free, touching the wood Jesus that loud,
(42:14):
but injury free, finishing on a high, and for us
that means winning the championship again. And it's this year
it's direct promotion. So I want to get the team,
do everything I can and me to to get the
team up to eleat.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
One and just there you go out the door, see
you later.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's the sigar in the moment if it scaring them out,
lightened walking away, huge explosion behind you, wearing a vest,
your motors blown in the wind, and you jump on
a motorbike kind of and off into the sunset like
that's that's what that looks like to me, And that
would look that would be unreal. Do you know what
I mean? That is your seel it guys, you're welcome. Yeah,
(42:54):
it's a it's a that's a very cool hope and dream.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Next thing. It pends to like this there out of
in the Lions tour and it's just me standing there
my Bodie smugglers, like.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Both Budgie smugglers should sponsor your trip to the Lions.
For God's sake, Get on board. That's get on board.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I know, I know, command lads.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, well that has That has been a great round up.
I think that's fair. I think anybody who's half in
the rugby will be delighted with that round up of
twenty twenty four and very excited this coming weekend. Larachelle
welcome Leinster and Monster. Welcome Saracens this weekend. If you
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know whether fromitting they can sweep the snow off the
pitch and whatnot and everything else, and Jesus not so,
I don't know who the other two provinces. I'm apology.
This was almost to be only a wrap up. I
can only just say so. But look we'll be watching
with very interesting eyes from both both of us and
over the weekend. Hey, yeah, class class.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, well, happy new year.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Happy in the year. I'd say it in French again,
bon bon at me, yes, mind.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
The rocks, Mind the rocks
Speaker 4 (44:09):
The Banana and Bears, Rubby Pod,
It's the Banana and Rubbie.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And we are here. We're late to the part of
what we're here for, for wrapping up the year. In
all fairness, not too much has happened this side of
twenty twenty five, but we're here, we're wrapping up the year,
and we find Anna looking very stylish abroad in some
fancy plays, talking fancy things to fancy people. How you
keeping we to them?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
All?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
You know, France, you have to say when you're like,
you don't actually say hello to anyone at this time
of year.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You say, you start with bon Anna, happen again?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I suppose coind of like with you at home. Yeah,
have in a year, but like you don't even say
a load of people.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You just say, have year? Happen a year?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
If you see this for the first time, and then
if you have you seen them for the second time,
and you you repeat yourself, or if you see them
for the first man you don't say it, you actually
curl up into a ball and die.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, yes, well it's interesting you say that because right
now where I where I am, that's pretty much what
everybody is doing in the ten mile radius around me,
Because there is three miles of ice sitting on top
of us right now. Like literally, there's a kind of
a ferrety looking squirrel filet run around with an acorn.
There's a wooly mammoth. There's it's just ludicrous. Yeah it's Chris.
(01:19):
There is no crack to we had. It's yeah, it's
a frozen wasteland everywhere. We're having to ration whatnot because
who knows can you get to the shop next? And
then all of a sudden it's going to be no
levels of flooding come the weekend. People are you know this?
And there's people in Dublin right now listen to this
(01:40):
aging Yeah what I do?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They it's purely the south of the country has gotten
purely because we're so class that we had to be
taken down a notch.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
We've big listenership.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
In Dublin, might' say, especially after oh we'll see, especially
after the fiasco with the keys last year. My key's
going missing and all of the me getting in touch
with the Leinster Supporters Club and the Linds Supporters putting
out a call for me to find my keys. Right,
I found I found my pit because I think that
was that was twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Oh no, sorry it was focused no pits. But that's
this week Leinster coming this weekend to long Shell. So
the return of the lads looking further looking to steal
some keys, oh Leinster, And I know I'm staying well
well away from him.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's yeah. What did the If anybody listened to last
year's wrap up, well we did. We tried to meet up,
but again it just between the jigs and the reason
that we didn't get to meet up. But we so
were like passing ships in the night. But if anybody
in the last year's one, we weren't too far off
with our yearly wrap up and our hopes and dreams
and whatnot. We were probably for two people that dick
(02:55):
about a fair bit. We got that one, all right,
We were all you know, we were all right on
that one. So we'd be following sepers.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, I must say the hopes and dreams.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So when I when I listened back to our yearly
wrap up last year, the hopes and dreams. First of all,
we spoke about the Irish women and how we just
wanted them to be absolute like crazy women, like grown
uale warriors, and why fuck did they do that?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And more so, you're welcome. You're welcome because I yeah,
I'm just saying that there's a strong possibility that they
were listening to the podcast and they figured out since.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The look they were, do you know what else was
listening to our podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Now, I'm not so proud of this prediction, and I
was only kind of half right.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So in my.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Prediction for twenty twenty four, I said, you know what,
I wouldn't mind if we lost some Six Nations games,
and I was like, maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Even England, right for I predicted that much.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
However, the caveat was I don't find is losing games
as long as we're like blooding young players, and that
is I feel not satisfactory enough.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So far.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
We're still kind of running out the old boys, still
losing games with you know, you don't mind losing while
you're learning, but like, we have some players there that
have kind of learned as much as they can and
we need to go. You know, all all of the
talk of the youth in the country, we seem to
be protecting them an awful lot. So it was only
half right. I've predicted the England lost what I thought
(04:31):
it might be more at the hand or in a
way that it was because we were learning, But I
don't think that was the case for Ireland this year.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, I wonder is our Ireland kind of financially between
two stools that are like, we're doing okay, but do
we have the finances to go er throw everything all
the young fellers in there and see what happens in
would have bid to going after the World Cup, And
I think that's maybe we haven't gotten there yet. Where
we have where we can we can take the the flack,
(04:58):
although I'm saying that, like you know, and maybe I
don't know how much money is the likes of South
Africa is because they'll just do what they need to
do in between World Cups to get to the World Cup,
like you know that kind of ways. So I think
the pressure's onto you better own every Fron match. That's
the reality, because we're charging one hundred and fifty go
bit a ticket right now and you better be winning
every frog match.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So well, if you came to my seminar this week,
it's really interesting because I give a seminar about rugby.
So it's just a it's basically an English boost for
the students, but they've got to do you know, a
subject all week long through English discussions, presentations, all the rest.
But my seminar is about rugby, Rugby in the community,
rugby for personal development, rugby, like obviously it's a metaphor
(05:41):
for sport itself, but we just talked about rugby and
like Larachelle is such an interesting case about how they've
like built this sustainable model where basically the whole the
season ticket holders and the local business owners are the
ones who own the stadium. And uh, I'm sure I
alwayspoken about this in the last podcast, but at the
(06:03):
weekend they played to lose and it was their one
hundreds sold out game in a row. So it's an
amazing product that they've built and something that other countries, nations.
You know, it's different because it's between club and country.
What you're talking about just there financially, but it's something
to be looked at and studied for.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
For Shizzle, well, this goes back to everything. Once you
have a once you got some skin in the game,
you're going to put an effort in promoting it. Like
that's why, like you, if I from my point of view,
if I'm working with a theater or whatever. If I'm working,
they go, you just want to do a venue higher,
and like, no, no, we'll do a ticket split, because
if I do a venue higher, you're going to sit
in your hands and just go yeah. But if we're
(06:44):
done a venue split, like a door split, then you're
going to put some efforting because you've got to sell
it as well. So it's the same kind of thing cooperative,
like what you're talking about, the co op that is
the stadium in Larichell. You guarantee that all every business
that has any any body of skin in the game
has a Larry Shell flags hanging out the front. They're
pumping it. You could probably buy you know, you might
be a take it there. And once that team is everywhere,
(07:07):
then all of a sudden, the train. You know, it's
hard to stop that train. But there seems to be
quite a disconnect I think between the people and the
irview right now or the r few is a very
good business. But in the long term, like you said,
and you're still for the one. You know, you're still
still putting keen heally on the bench. No, no, no, no,
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nothing in the.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Man but absolutely and we can come maybe come back
to this and touch it again.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
In our hopes and dreams for next year. Yes, but agreed, agreed,
our hopes and dreams, we can. We can talk about
those before.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We get into our pits and peaks, by the way,
peaks and pits Player of the Year, which is how
we will run our new our new year wrap up
or twenty twenty four wrap up. Can we talk about
Mac Canson? Yes, well, mack Hanson who was last year's
winner Banana and Bears d Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And I believe he was delighted, delighted to win.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he was shouting from the rooftops,
shout out to Mac again. Because we actually haven't had
a chance to speak about this. Yes, the listeners haven't
got in on this conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
With us just yet. But mac Hanson obviously what days today?
Did he? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
No, he heard his punishment yesterday work and I haven't
heard do you know what he got?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What comes?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I let me just google it now one second, man, So.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Just a quick background for a quick recap before we
are to now he basically in a postmatch interview. Oh
my god, it was actually so it was really sad
to watch, but it was really like inspiring, like he
knew he shouldn't have been saying the things he was saying,
and he said, we feel like, you know, the odds
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against us all the time. We feel like we never
get called. And you know, a lot of people are
criticizing him, like, you know, he's not supposed to be
saying these things. But when you're withthstanding something for so
long that eventually you just have to say something, you'll
take the punishment and you know that there's something coming.
It's a little bit like when Clean Maloney sent that tweet,
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he didn't care about what the consequences might be because
you're so sick of it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And you could hear that in his voice. He was
so sick of it.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And he's not wrong, because like unconscious bias is a
really strong thing and it's something that needs to be
studied and spoken about. But like, for example, the way
I was thinking about this was if you are if
you're conduct, who's you know, more often than not, an
underdog team and you're up against a stronger team. Actually,
let's not use conduct first as an example. The the
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example to look at is like New Zealand. New Zealand
all blacks.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Who you know, everyone is saying like they're.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
So illegal all the time, they're always offside. There are
always this rich McCall all us offside, always given away
penalties that aren't given because the referees have a high
regard for the New Zealand all blacks, So when it
comes down to the split decision, they're obviously thinking like
all that, you know, in a split second, like in
your mind, well, that was obviously really good because it's
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the all blacks. That was obviously the right thing to
do because it's all blacks. And when it comes to conduct,
standing's like, oh that they're obviously offside because they're conduct
and that sounds a bit simple and lass and like oh.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That sounds pretty stupid for a referee to be saying.
But it's it's much deeper than that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Like when I studied education, we looked at this amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Study where they put a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Kids in a room, right, and they asked all the
teachers beforehand, like do you think you were biased towards
any ethnic groups, minority groups or things like that, And
all of the teachers said, no, absolutely not. I'm a
really fair teacher. I'm really open to you know, uh,
I'm not close minded, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm not biased.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
They all just full stop, No, I'm not biased on
the teacher for a long time, I'm not biased. And
then what they did was they recorded the eye movements
of the teachers and they said to the teachers, we're
going to show you a classroom of kids and one
of them is misbehaving. Let's see how quickly you can
find them. Where did all of their eyes go to
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the split second movements their eyes go are directly to
the groups that they said they were not biased against
all of them, all of them.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So and they were devastated. I remember reading about it,
and the teachers were saying they were so devastated that
they thought they weren't biased. So it's like, in it's
not something you can explain. They thought they weren't biased.
So it's like referees. We know referees are there to
be fair, referees are not there to cheat. But there
has to be some kind of under level understanding of
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how this looks, how you think and forms? Yeah, forms,
so you think.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's human decisions in literally a split second with so
many moving parts, So yeah, not not to take a
take the Whurley to the back of the the the
arts of these referees. But it is tough when when
the characters STACKEDIC stacked against it.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Absolutely, and it's tough for the referees too.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's what I mean. And it's it's what are you
supposed to do in that matterment? Because if it's happening
over and over, it isn't just a one referee. But
I was just looking up. Mackenson has been banned for
three matches, will be available for start the Ireland six
Nations campaign and Conduct have received a ten grand vine.
They didn't need that and Hanson must make a full
apology to referee Chris Bosby. It was initially a six
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week band but Hanson's misconduct for three weeks, but three
weeks to suspend it. He was they felt that he
was attaching a learning process would have a more positive
outcome rather than merely applying a player sanction. Yeah, he
must make a full apology and the player must undertake
appropriate course he might be able to do with you
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a match officiating as decided by tap Henning and Conduct
must run an education session with their players about how
to conduct themselves in post match media sessions.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Wow ah Jesus, yeah, yeah, okay, they have they have
to do all those things, and like it is the
right thing to do. It's pretty hefty, ten grand right,
what we should do for our Player of the Year
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We need to mckanson winner. We need to do a gofundmeat.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. For me, I was my first
thought was like, yeah that, I wonder can they write
that off of the text clearance? Like well that with
that anyway? But the yeah, the fact that they all
have to go into this, do you know what, Like
we were briefly talking beforehand, I think this will ripple
in the same subcond just affect. I wonder will there
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be a bit of cotton wool now in you know,
around conduct because you don't want to be the next
next Matt Bosby either, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
But if you think of those teachers for example that
I was just using as an example there, the next
time that you know, something like this happens out of
pure you know, like grit to stand by what you
thought you were, which was unbiased, You're not going to
look that way.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You're going to look elsewhere. So let's see how you.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Know, they're like, oh, they always feel like the penalties
are against them.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
No they're not, see Bob, Yeah that wasn't now.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Only of the well known rugby journalist. He did a
bit of a you know, a bit of an investigation
down through the years that the stats turns out Macnson
was right. They absolutely and I mean they're learning the
same rugby rules as everybody else. It's not that they're
just habitual penalty you know offenders. They literally get more
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decisions given against them than anybody else. And there was
a there was an interesting one whe that was I
don't know, is that the the board of the irifew
or it was a it was a rugby board that
was to have five members and yeah, you see that
it was to be, but there would always be seven
put forward to go for it, and it would be
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two from Ulster, Monster, Leinster, one put forward from Conduct,
and nine times out of ten it would be five
taken from two from Leinster, two from Monster and one
from Ulster. And look conduct. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But it's also kind of a it's been passed down
through the years, you know, to hell or to conduct
connucht are always kind of the Bridesmaids, you know, like yeah, historically,
you know it's it's is it ingrained in us? Is
it something that we need to really kind of look at,
which is kind of now transcended into rugby. So I
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have very interesting conversation and like let's see how it progresses.
But we'll start our go fund meet for Monsieur Hansen
in due course.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Right, let's get point, let's get into the show you have,
You've got children to teach and.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Start waiting to come back in the Cortoria and joking
that we have have a while, so we'll get to
We'll start with our pits so we can work towards
the peaks. Share some of your pits of the year
for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There is like that it was the for me, the
non blooding of of Irish players, of Irish talent coming through.
I know we're seeing sam Brandicas come bursting through at
the minute, like but there we're not seeing anything in
the centers. We're not seeing any fresh faces really popping
up in the second row. A bit of a worry
(16:59):
about the front row, but yeah, you know what I mean.
Depth is like again to hit HARKing back to them,
but they are the two time world champions. Like we
go to South Africa like and you could literally switch
out the entire team for the next lads in and
we know all their names, do you know what I mean,
you'd near, you'd know everybody coming in all right, because
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we've seen them already. They've got to run, they've got
to you know, and they're they're up to that speed
now on that standard. And you see lads when they
come on, you know there was one or two like
but I mean, you see lads when they come on,
You're like, you know, they just try to get through
the thirty minutes they're getting or whatever, just try and
stay out of the way, not not do it and stupid.
Whereas you know, if they were on their seven or
(17:40):
eight or ninth cap but you go, ah, you know,
they'd be a bit looser or whatever. So that for
me would be one major one. I think my biggest
pit of the year, My pit pit of the year
was the surprise, the huge surprise in Rowntree vacating the
(18:02):
property and we're still no real reasoning behind it. We
don't fully know. I haven't gone looking, I haven't gone
asking anybody really like, but even Monster still kind of
dangling in the wind whatever way you look at it.
They do not have a set head coach and with
that they won't have an identity to lock themselves onto.
And we kind of saw that coming up in the
(18:22):
Leinster match. Yeah, they had sports of individual classiness which
didn't really show against against Ulster because that's that's the difference,
is that Leinster literally monstered Monster on what they did
to to Ulster the previous week. So they're kind of
dangling in the wind with no real head coach. We
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don't know what because the plan is so unfortuity. That's
my major pit of the year. Well, you know, with
no massive drama, I don't Yeah, I doubt that would
be the biggest one for me. I think what about yourself.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I think I have very similar pits to you in that, Yes,
the non blooding of young players, and I also have
the Monster decline.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Decline is probably a.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Very strong word, maybe more stagnation, Yeah, is maybe a
bit more appropriate. And kind of to add to that,
the gap between Leinster and everyone else so is worrying.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Rgi Snyman was a real pit.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, and I know, just another an extra addition to
that which the listeners will be sick of me not about.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
People fighting online and given out about Irish people online.
Online animosity, especially from the South Africans, has been really
hard to take.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's been a real pit.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I do, well. I kind of find when it's online.
I find it funny because, like you know, I'm I'm
old in my head because I don't when I see
stuff online, it's like, oh yeah, but they're not in
front of me, so it's not really real, Like do
you know what I mean, It's like people shouting at
you through the windscreen of their cars. It's like, Okay,
it's not really real. It's fine. But yeah, I do
get it. I do the animosities. But I guess that's
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maybe what what sport is now.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's it's I just I suppose I never really heard
so much of it against Irish people, never heard animosity
at all against Irish people ever in my life really,
so to have people really really hating on Irish people,
it's been really sad.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I do I every so often, like because we do
think of ourselves as been the most loved nation in
the world, like you know what I mean, we think
of ourselves as been. So there's almost that moment I
find myself when when you when I see that kind
of stuff from especially like South Africa and stuff, and
some England fans they're like, yeah, fuck you are, and
I nearly like you. I turn into like a Southern
(20:57):
bell like with my you know, my lazy and just
going oh ma. I did not expect such a rash
response to where's my sainting chair? I get the vapus.
I'm I don't know what to do with myself, like
we were lovely, We're absolutely lovely. Why don't you like us?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Loves us?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I know, so, yeah, it is a bit of a
tough one to take, but yeah, it's yeah, I mean
to be I suppose we're monster leaning in that we're
probably both kind of disappointed with I mean again and
not a third year where the S and C is
just I don't know what's going on. You have like
fifty nine million players in the in the physio the
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physio's room, like just again, just and you know they
might all come right towards the end of the season,
but who knows, Like any humorous pits for.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You, no, like listening back to last year, like the
amount of times I nearly died in twenty twenty three, Yeah,
are compared to twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Was this a massive gap there?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I couldn't think of any times I nearly I nearly
kicked the bucket into twenty twenty four, So.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, I can't think of any What about you? No?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I mean for me, I suppose the humorous pit was
do you know, like I was kind of laughing at
at the abuse, like the as we were talking about
South Africans given Irish people, Like the sheer shit that
Argie Sneimer was getting from the sideline was kind of
cracking me up. The small bit Like Yes, jameson Gibson
(22:36):
Park deciding to shave his head off, I hear off.
I was hoping he was going to do like a combover,
to be honest with you, I thought that was the
way to go. You know, when the hair is going
fully show, why not do a bobby charge on and
have a combover. Do you know everybody's grown funny mustachious
nowadays to try and you know, be individual, maybe for
sponsorship or whatever. I think a combover would have been
the right job there, rather than to just go full
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Parisse and shave the thing off. I'm I'm that's not
you might as well come over flapping in the wind?
Does he blowing in the wind?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It'd be a good tell tale, like for you know,
like if you ever, if you've ever been outsailing, the
tell tales are those little tails that actually stick on
the top of your your sales, so you know the
way the wind is blown. And it would have been
a good tell tale today for the out half. If
you just before the past that Jefferson gives over was
just flapping in a certain direction. You're like, oh, all right,
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it's a little fifty two degrees north there. I'll just
put a little spin on that, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
It you become a little bit easier to find on
the pitch.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Sometimes there's a lot of depends who you're playing or
who's involved in the team, but sometimes there's a lot
of shiny heads going on, and you're like, who's that?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So, but a nine is easier to find in the
field than anyone else. So even with his shiny head,
I'm sure we will. Yeah, but you're right, the hair
k off his head onto his chin.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yes, yeah, he got it. He has an upside down
headed hair now it's just hanging upside down off his chin. Yeah,
fair play, fair play. So that's our pits mine mine.
Being very surprised and from a personal point of view
in meeting the man, thinking, geez, this guy's in here
forever clearly not was grame Rowntree leaving monster? And yeah,
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so we will skip out of the sadness and into
are we gonna go our player the year first?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Where do you play there?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Into our peaks?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Perfect?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Perfect? So who who did you have?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Kind of considering that, you know, the Irish what we
spoke about in terms of the Iris seem like it
wasn't the most exciting. No one really jumping out of
me obviously like great performance. So it's like I always
love watching Kiln Darres. Unfortunately player there last year mcanson
was injured for a lot of the season. Standout clearly
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or for me someone who made me go like Jesus
was Eth a wafer?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah? Snap no, yeah, yeah, yeah it couldn't. You know
what I was so excited for for Calvin Nash when
he got the you know, he got he got to
not and and he showed his worth too, like he
didn't look out of place in any way. But it
was again with the with the lack of drama. And
(25:37):
I suppose a couple of Irish players have in the
men's side of things, done great things, you know, as
they're supposed to do because they're you know, they're they're
well paid and whatnot. They're in a team full that's
whatever way you look at it, and you go, okay,
we failed at the World Cup. There's savage momentum all
the time behind the Irish team. Like there's you that
(25:59):
these savage players playing ahead of you. It's it's I'm
not saying it's going to be an arm tray right
like but at the same time, like your symbolics if
you make a complete of it, like because you've got
such good distributed distribution around you, receivers around you, momentum
gainers around you. You know, get with the program. If
you're put in there, you're there for the right reasons.
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And you know a lot of you know, a lot
of fellas did they grasp They grasped with both hands.
But yeah, for me, why And I'm sure there's probably
similar reasons, not least because she aligns with exactly what
we said about hopes and dreams were last year. But
there are nucleus moments where you can go all the
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way back and find the turning points in A great
story needs a good obbin, you know, a suddenly moment,
like every great story needs that. You can't just blend
softly and then all of a sudden everything was lovely,
we all live happy. You have to have drama and
then a turning point, a twist, and the twist was
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if Away for literally lighting the fuse, and that's what
we said, we wanted she like she lit a fuse
around everybody, because you watch that going aheady and you're like, well,
all right, all in, and I wonder like we'll we
be able to pinpoint that moment, you know, you go
back through you know, like the gun that started World
(27:25):
War One is in the museum somewhere. Well, well that
was the start of it, you know, the Frans Ferdinand
moment and all the rest of it. Not compare the
way the World War One to Irish rugby, but you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Know, not too far off, like.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Being hitded at me to go well, I mean, you
know they were both serious transfer then there you go
the same thing. But I'm just wondered, like, and I'm
hoping that it is. It was the fuse lighter that
will propel you know, women's rugby, Irish women's rugby. Yeah,
(28:06):
well women's rugby whatever, but fucking Irish women's rugby more
importantly and greatness from here on outline.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, well you know what, yes, sorry, no.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm just saying we've seen the numbers, We've seen the
interest now is definitely definitely growing, like you know within
the British isles, it's definitely growing. You know, you've seen
that American woman. Her name has not come to my
mind immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Do you know.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's great, it's it's great for the sport, but it
needs to be backed up. But when you if you decide,
I'll roll the dice like we said, and we will
go to a women's game. See what happened. Do you
see Etho Waiver just you know, pulling up trees. You're like, well,
this was well worth coming to. You know, even if
you've never watched the lique of rugby, you'd have to
look at that scenario and goo, yeah, yeah, she just
crushed four people on the way to the line from
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twenty meters. I want to get into this sport.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, well, I have to say, and often like all
of us because you know, tradition kind of tells us so,
but we use like the men's game as the default
and then the women's as the as the exeter. But
the fact that we've both landed on the same player
because we just said Clay of the year, a lot
of people might think like straight away about the men's players.
The fact that we've both said away for as Banana
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Bears twenty twenty four Road Player of the Year is
just a sign of hopefully things to come, sign of
the way it's gone, sign of how fucking good she's
been and how exciting it is for like coming into
a World Cup year that the default starts to change
and the tides start to change, and we can only
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ask for that in women's way. It's all we've ever
really wanted is like the fair equal opportunities to have
the same opportunities and you know, all of the benefits
of sports.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're not reserves just for men. So the fact that
this is you know, even something like this now small.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Little podcast with our twenty nine listeners, shout out to you,
my sister, uh, you know, just just just the fact
they're like, okay, we've got to pick our player of
the year. Bang straight away, we've both chosen a young
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Granuale woman of Ireland, Monona here and like fuck yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And you know, for anybody kind of wanted, without a
doubt there are there would have been male contenders. For sure,
there would have been like like that. You know, there's
you know in the peak of the year for me,
you know, I could have gone down the same route,
but there were. But if you want to look at
somebody who's a game changer, who has literally changed the
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game from when it was in the doll drums of
last year, has changed the the not the luck is
the wrong word, but the faith possibly going forward into
a World Cup year and it brought on players you
just need one, it would seem you just need one
Colosses to just bring on the players around her and
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uh yeah, we got a World Cup. Imagine imagine if
they want it? Can you can you imagine if they
want it?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
We like what, well, I hope we're listening back to
this in the year's time, but we'll get it. Let's
let's segue into our peaks there now, because one of
my peaks.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Was our Ireland beating New Zealand the women obviously in Canada.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
That was a real rugby peak for for Irish rugby
and personally for me. Winning the French Championship with Larachelle
was personal peak.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
So they're the two I've chosen for my peak, which
there were many others.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
But I suppose kind of the year after the World
Cup as well for the men, like you know, it
was kind of I suppose you might expect it to
be a little bit of a down year, but like, uh,
there was a great win down in Marseille for the
men's team.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That I was down. I was really lucky to go to.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I went to the Monster game in Tulan, which was
an amazing uh win for Monster. That was at the
beginning of the year as well, So there was I
had a couple of good rugby peaks. But yeah, definitely
Arland beat New Zealand and Larachelle winning Elie to they're
my two overriding picks for twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Uh yeah. Again, like there's always a vacuum after the
after a World Cup, so you're kind of gone, Jesus Christ,
that me, what are we supposed to get excited? About here,
you know, because you just that dopamine fix is not
being hit every single week by unbelievable highs and lows.
But yeah, I do you know what kind of aside
to rugby, Well, I suppose it was on a personal
(32:46):
point of view, getting the host slash roast the rugby
players ball from Monster was was a great highlight. Yes,
not that anybody got because it was an in house affair,
but it was. It was seriously good fun and great
to see that all you're real people who have real
worries because you take you know, I was talking with
you talk with some of these guys and you're like,
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oh right, you're a real person with real worries and
real fears and real Jesus Christ. You just got to
get you know. And this is a job. You got
to go to work and everybody's watching your work, and
if you ain't working at one hundred percent, everybody can
you know when to put it in context, Like everybody
listening has a job. You go out to work, do
you do you knock it out of the park every day?
You fucking don't you know what I mean? And you've
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nobody really pulled on you, but you have twenty seven
to thirty thousand to one hundred thousand people watching you
when you're a professional rugby player, so it's you know,
it was very very interesting from that point of view.
The women beating New Zealand. Of course, man, the investment
just on on the hill that that was to conquer
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when we're all we were doing was hoping and dreaming
that they could put it, you know, show us, show
us something. And they got beat from New Zealand, you know, amazing.
But my overall peak, just purely in a five second
moment was and we haven't a poor fellow, we haven't
seen hiding hear him since nobody's talking about him. Was
(34:11):
Kieran Frawley's drop goal roy the Rovers moment beat in
South Africa. It was just like a class a class.
If you never do nothing again in your life, that's class,
do you know? That's the stuff every single person in
whatever your sport is, you'd love to just win it
for your team in a clutch moment like that and
(34:32):
the reverie blows the whistle, do you know? So that
that was that was my peak for the year was
Karen Frawley, who, again nobody's talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It, how funny, what a great peak as well.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, and yeah, you're right, how strange that that wasn't big,
that wasn't banging down the door. We all thought that's
what it was. He just he'safter banging down the door.
Now he's in, and then that's just the way it goes,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But at least we have that.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Moment for the men's team for this year, because yeah,
the thing is, we haven't actually mentioned we did actually
win the Six Nations, even though I know we didn't
win the Grand Slam. But also, like you said, that
vacuum that we weren't too caught up on it in
a post World Cup year. But a yeah, fucking great
moment for for Kian Frowley.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I was in I was in LA when that happened.
I was coaching.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
We were on the side of the pitch, all crowded
around a tiny little phone watching him do that. So
uh yeah, yeah, great moment.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's mad you could tell me from the past year.
Do you remember time I was in Japan or I
was I'd have to I could not put my hand
on the Bible in the court of Long and go
No she wasn't because you could be I could find
you anywhere, like that's the reality. So h you were
in La at the time? Page? Yeah, okay, yeah, fair.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And long made last Yeah. Well, on that note, we'll
talk about my students starts line up.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Side or twenty twenty five hopes in dreams. So, so
do you have some I I do?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I would hope to see an entire fifteen from Ireland
playing for the Lions, even though it's not gonna happen obviously,
Oh Jesus, I'd be very very interesting. My hopes and
dreams are that under easter be we do see and
I'll put it forward like we did last year, see
a couple of new new heads that we weren't expecting
putting their name forward and get getting getting a run
(36:36):
during the year. Why not. It's kind of a I
think this one is a bye if you get me,
you know what I mean. I think this one is like,
give it a go. I don't know if we're going
to I'd say they'll be a fair bit coming back
from from the bass man, even though he's gone with
the Lions and stuff like that. There is there was
talks of obviously Finnrusses starting at ten and then Sam
Prendergas going Okay, all right, we'll see what the kids,
(36:59):
will see what kid's got. But right now, I mean,
I don't know if that would be the case, but
my hopes and dreams for this year, do you know what?
And I'm gonna put it down to one one player
and much like I would hope to see any away
for Style Man to fuck kind of a moment. Yeah,
(37:20):
my god, I hope he stays injury free because I
think great things will come from him because he's got
the attitude. It's Tomaharn I would love to see. I'd
actually love to see Tomaharn. And this is no slight
on on Tyde Burne, who is definitely going on the
Lion's tour, but I'd love to see Toma Hearn made
the captain. He has, he has the sauce. I know
(37:43):
what I see. Yeah, he has the sauce. I'm telling you,
I see it. I know what I'm looking at when
I'm looking at people when it's in whether it's good
enough for management or good enough for leading something. I
know what i'm looking at and what i'm looking at.
There is somebody who can be the boss. It might
take another year or two, But I think, I yeah,
(38:03):
I think he could be the boss, the proper boss,
like he took the even even against Leinster the other day,
like it was almost I was watching it, and I
hate being the nors that watches things, like all the
cameras when are in the dressing room when it switched
between the two, you see Leinster all still in a
circle in the dressing room giving each other a pep
(38:24):
at halftime, Monster or dandering around the fucking place nearly
like Aircher. Look will go out and see what happens
kind of thing. He's gone around banging people on the chest.
He comes going all guns blaze and every opportunity he had, like, no,
I think we got it wrong. Maybe injury and age
whatever had gone against him, But I think that's the
(38:46):
I think that's the next boss, if you ask me,
that's who it should be because he had, Yeah, he
has it. He has the thing and that I'd be
looking for. He has that thing. And it's not that
he's six foot ten and can play full back as well,
but he has, yeah, the sauces in there, and I
think I think that's that would be my hope and
(39:07):
dream to see greater things coming from tom Ahearn.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I can't wait to listen back to this next year
and be like you fucking called it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I loved it. I'd love to.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
And to add to that with the women's World Cup,
I just want to see an outstanding tournament from the girls,
whatever that might look like. So the furthest Ireland women
have got is the World Cup semi final code they
go a step further and get to a final. Now,
if you had told me this time last year Ireland
(39:42):
would beat New Zealand, I would have been like, absolutely,
no fucking way, that's not possible. Since we're here now
and might as well say it because you know, a
year's time, imagine if we're listening back to this being
like you know, you would have thought, no fucking way,
not possible. But to get to a World Cup final,
I think they're definitely capable of getting to a World
(40:03):
Cup final. Winning a World Cup final will depend on
obviously who the other team is. We might presume it's
going to be England, and the thing about England is
they're shaky at a World Cup final, so who fucking knows,
but to go for this team to go one step
further than we've always gone and get to a World
(40:23):
of final. My god, what that would mean.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
So is your hope and dream for them to get
to a workup final or to win the World Cup.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
To get to a World Cup final, because no, nothing
that I'm hoping they don't win.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
But then it's kind of left to fit, do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's up to the gods at that stage. Yes, yeah, yeah,
it's a different different Yeah, you're in a different realm.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Exactly exactly, and and you know, a World Cup final
doesn't exist without all of the steps beforehand. So it's
just positive, like like massive steps for them beforehand, and
just that they have another like another year that even
surpasses this year would would just be so huge for
them and for for women's rugby and for women's rugby
(41:13):
in Ireland and Irish rugby in general.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So that's my hope for them.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I agree with you on seeing younger players in the
Irish men's team, like, come on, and especially when the
lines coming.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Up, it's probably a good good time for us to
see that. I'm saying I was.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I might go to some of the lines games. I
have kind of a small plan for the summer so
let's see what happens there. When you're saying, they're like,
I don't know, you could be saying like you're in Vegas,
Like that's what I That's one of my hopes and
dreams for this year is to just fucking get out
(41:51):
the door and keep traveling because I am finishing my
playing career this year. Yes, So my big, big hope
and dream is to finish my playing career on a
high and to really really enjoy these last few months
playing and stay injury free, touching the wood Jesus that loud,
(42:14):
but injury free, finishing on a high, and for us
that means winning the championship again. And it's this year
it's direct promotion. So I want to get the team,
do everything I can and me to to get the
team up to eleat.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
One and just there you go out the door, see
you later.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's the sigar in the moment if it scaring them out,
lightened walking away, huge explosion behind you, wearing a vest,
your motors blown in the wind, and you jump on
a motorbike kind of and off into the sunset like
that's that's what that looks like to me, And that
would look that would be unreal. Do you know what
I mean? That is your seel it guys, you're welcome. Yeah,
(42:54):
it's a it's a that's a very cool hope and dream.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Next thing. It pends to like this there out of
in the Lions tour and it's just me standing there
my Bodie smugglers, like.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Both Budgie smugglers should sponsor your trip to the Lions.
For God's sake, Get on board. That's get on board.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I know, I know, command lads.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, well that has That has been a great round up.
I think that's fair. I think anybody who's half in
the rugby will be delighted with that round up of
twenty twenty four and very excited this coming weekend. Larachelle
welcome Leinster and Monster. Welcome Saracens this weekend. If you
(43:37):
know whether fromitting they can sweep the snow off the
pitch and whatnot and everything else, and Jesus not so,
I don't know who the other two provinces. I'm apology.
This was almost to be only a wrap up. I
can only just say so. But look we'll be watching
with very interesting eyes from both both of us and
over the weekend. Hey, yeah, class class.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, well, happy new year.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Happy in the year. I'd say it in French again,
bon bon at me, yes, mind.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
The rocks, Mind the rocks
Speaker 4 (44:09):
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