June 2, 2025 • 33 mins
On Episode #4 Of our short format show Blitzkrieg Banzai Ox and Booboo ponder what is a DMR and what are its uses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to blitz Cerreek number four on Bonzie Prepping podcast. Tonight,
we're gonna be talking about d m RS long Range
Dedicated Marksmen Rifles.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, yes, this is Bondsi.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
We've got ox and we have boo boo all in
the house. Yes, my tongue stopped working, so you had
to just you had to be my tongue for me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh dude, that's scared. That's been in very dirty places.
No wonder it tastes. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now we've talked room.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We've talked in the past about side arms, and we
know you hate glocks.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We have heard that trash.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now it was good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
They all sucked you were. Today is not slide arm
day and you know it's not day boo.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Now there's also main battle rifles, which we're not doing
today either. That's what the average riflemen would be carrying.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Now, this is DMRs Dedicated Marksman Rifles, long range shooters,
snipers so to speak. I know a lot of people
don't like the term sniper.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
No, you know it's touch out right. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, So now when we're talking about that, the smallest
caliber that would be used for a DMR would.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Be two two, three, five, five six, preferably seventy seven
grain or heavier.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But that's already really really light.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It is. It's an incredibly light round out of a
twenty inch barrel. Though you're talking like thirty four hundred
thirty two to thirty four hundred feet a second, so
you're actually still especially like a bonded round, like a boatail,
hollow point, it's a bonded round, You're still distributing a
(02:02):
lot of energy on target.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So what ranges are you talking?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Four hundred, seven hundred and seven hundred, Yeah, dude, you
can go out seven hundred yards if with seventy seven
grain Boto hall of point. Yeah, dude, seven hundred yards.
You're still, dude if you make contact, because you're still
flying at twenty four hundred ish twenty five hundred ish
(02:28):
feet per second.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But that's really on the extreme.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, Yeah, you're right. So, I mean, if you were
just doing it for shits and giggles, three to eight,
I would keep. I would keep like two two, three,
five five six, especially with that heavy round. I would
like to see that inside of like four hundred.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Five hundred yards, That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Three or four, Yeah, I mean there you're really safe.
So the funny thing is about energy on target. You
can double the weight a round and you only actually
double the energy transfer, but if you double the speed
of said round, you're actually quadrupling energy on target.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Mass times equals for correct standard physics.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Right. So that's where like a two two three, because
it is such a fast round shines. I mean you're
literally in like I said, what inside five hundred yards
two two three, five five six it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So that's why something like a six' five has.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Seeded eight, cool, yes because you know you're getting a
very similar mass but with a lot more. Velocity and
WHEN i say a lot, More i'm talking you to
four five hundred feet per. Second but you're also getting
a lot flattered. Trajectory not gonna. Lie there are rounds
(03:59):
that are far superior to a six five creed more.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well was eight? Six is? It?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, yeah but that's a super song a sub sonic
round right Off Jump. Street your standard hunting rounds like
two seventy two forty three seven millimeter are, actually believe.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It or, not that'd mouser. DO i like the old
mouser like.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Seven millimeter wind mag they're actually far superior to even
a six five Creed. More six y five Creed, MORE i,
feel is superior to a three oh eight threeh. Eight
that's Old, grandpa which do not Neglect grandpa because that
(04:48):
three Eight World war, two well, no that was the
forty FIVE. Acp don't mess with, donkey do not mess with. Nukey.
No BUT i mean three oh eight is a phenomenal, round, right.
DUDE i mean it carries a whole lot of mass
going pretty damn.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
FAST i mean that's my long.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Gun. Yeah so the problem is is you get a
lot of that bullet.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Drop it, does but you got to compensate for right
what You're but.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Then you end up with like a transonic. Barrier where
your transponic barrier ON i think a three o EIGHT
i believe is like eight eight hundred fifty, yards your
transonic barrier on a six to five Creed more is
like eleven hundred. Yards because when you hit that transponic,
barrier that bullet starts to do a lot of weird
stuff like it basically does like a watris and just
(05:38):
flops around.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Because it's coming out of the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right it broke that barrier between sub sonic and. Supersonic,
yeah it hit that shock, wave and so now that
bullet starts doing freaking dumb we'll go on.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Sideways, yeah oh, Listen i've.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Seen them go. Sideways i've seen them freak flip around
and hit the freaking target backwards.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Backwards but, realistically.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Even if you are a quote unquote marksman sniper, whatever
you know how they used to call, it and a
ship hit the fan, scenario most of your shots And
i'm not talking about people IN cqb something up close.
FIGHTING i absolutely long. Range i'm still talking long. Range
(06:31):
you're still probably talking under a thousand. YARDS i, mean,
honestly because because if because How i've always tried to
explain it to. People unless you are on a specific
mission to take out a certain, target, correct anything less
than two or three hundred, yards you don't. Engage you stay.
(06:54):
Hidden you don't want them to know that you're. There
you don't want to you know WHAT i. Mean you, know,
now if you were actually, less they're.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like actively engaging you right right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well or you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Below but if if they don't know you're, there they're
not coming in your, direction you. Know, so SO i
mean you, know there's a certain beyond a certain, range
you usually just leave them.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Alone.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Listen, Yeah so there's a whole lot of aspects that
fall into. That like even believe it or, not now
whinshield glass but glass because when yield glass is. Funny
when your glass does really crazy stuff because it's, angled
it does you.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Can shoot straight and it actually goes.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Correct, yeah when you're shooting, in if you're shooting, out
it actually goes out and goes.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Up so that's why you're gonna go like this and
it goes up and out and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Down it's when shield glass is. Funny but like when
you're shooting like window. Glass so one of the gentlemen
That i've been shooting with for several, Years navy seal,
sniper he's if the target was beyond three feet on
the other side of a pane of, glass even though
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that glass was, flat so you don't have to worry
about any deflection due to the curvature of the. Glass,
correct he, said unless it is a critical, target you
do not take that. Shot, no because glass does really
funny shit to, rounds you, KNOW i, mean even if
it's a small deformity in the bullet as it goes,
(08:27):
through that will actually cause a slight deflection in that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
ROUND a slight deflection at ten feet can be a
matter of, six, seven, eight ten inches.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The wrong, person, Right so they're, like, again there's a
lot of things you have to determine whenever we're talking about.
DMRs are we talking some automatic bolt? Action are we
talking about your typical twenty Inch AND i don't want
to say, typical but twenty inch barreled five five, six
(09:00):
because that serves a whole different purpose than does you
know you're three to eight or six five Creed, more
which is now adopted by the. Military, yeah and then
you know you go up into like three three at
pooh and fifty cow fifty, cow which is. GREAT i
would love to own. One that's actually my next dream.
GUN i think.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's gonna.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Be the problem is is like on fifty, cow you
can buy Belted ammo for it for about three dollars.
Around that's only like three or four MOAM. O it
is not precision RIFLE. Ammo that is why it was.
Belted it was belted to go into. Amadus so you're
(09:42):
looking three or four moa pray and spray you know
WHAT i mean three thirty Eight lapua. PHENOMENAL i think
that actually falls outside THE dmr category because now you're
going into more like sniper rifle categor and that's WHERE i,
(10:02):
think like YOUR dmr is like a real specific niche
that is more like five five six threeh eight six
five Creed. More, Right that's Why i'm kind of like
sticking in those three during this. Conversation. Exactly there are
other rounds that are, phenomenal that do great things at
(10:23):
super long, ranges but they're they kind of have like
their own little, niche but.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
The most common because, again, shit it's the. Fan you
don't want some super RARE ammo that you're never gonna.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Find you don't want a wildcat, round.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right you want something that if you kill a bad, guy,
yeah he's most likely gonna have what you.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Need.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yea so this was the funny part is WHEN i
first started shooting six to five Creed, MORE i went
from three oh eight to six, five AND i was
like really kind of hesitant on that Because i'm, like,
dude what what happens WHEN i can't get? This and
then all of a, sudden the market was just inundated
(11:06):
with six five Creed. More it was everywhere. DUE i,
mean you couldn't go to a Bass pro shop without
walking past like three friggin tiers of six five Creed More.
Ammo and then you couldn't go online without like eight
hundred manufacturers trying to tell you sixty five Grede More, amo.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We still sell six Favnite. Walmart, Right so.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
THREE o eight is great because it is A nato compatible.
ROUND i mean it's seven six two by fifty one
bright the way it will. INTERCHANGE i don't give a
shit what gun manufacturers tell you it will. Interchange i'm
not an. ATTORNEY i do not call, me but if
(11:47):
it happens to blow up in your, face but dimensionally
it is the same. Round, Yeah and is this with
five five six and two two? Three do not? Shoot?
WELL i don't want to, say do. NOT i wouldn't
shoot a whole pile of two two three through a
five five six or, No i'm, SORRY i wouldn't shot
(12:09):
a whole pile of five five six two two three
the other. Way it doesn't really matter because of chamber
pressures and a whole bunch of other really fancy crap
that does and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Bullshit, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But LIKE i, said, once six to five Creed more
became incredibly incredibly like. Popular yeah common, NOW i, mean
now it's a common. ROUND i don't know, that Although
i've seen a whole lot of six millimeter Creed more
that is now a flatter shooting in this and that
and the other for bench, rest probably. GREAT i don't.
(12:43):
KNOW i never shot. One, UH i don't know that
it would be like my go to end of the. World,
no because you're gonna have a really hard time FINDING
ammo for.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It, well IT'S i mean, again like with, handguns the
ten millimeter is an awesome, round but it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
To it was an awesome, round it was until they
neutered it and took like half the powder out of.
It you didn't know that it? Sucks what, dude why
are you looking At you did not know.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That that's why we went to like the, Forty.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's why they went to three seventy. Six, yes so
The oh, dude So i'm gonna blow your mind right.
Here even though this is incredibly off. Topic they did
the ten. Milimeter it was. Phenomenal they liked the freaking
ballistics of it hold nine, yards but then they realized
nobody could shoot it because it kicked too. Hard the
(13:36):
original ten. Milimeter, oh what they did was they took
it and they neutered. It they dumped like half the
freaking powder out of. It, yeah, no for, real that
is one hundred percent what it. Is they reloaded, it
put the realm back in, it and they found that
it is actually no more effective than a forty smith and. Lesson. Yeah,
(14:00):
yeah even though it is a larger round supposed to
be flying. Faster but they newtered, It they really. Didn't
they went to forty to.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Nine, yeah and the nine is doing the same thing
as the.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Forty.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah so if you reloaded your own ten, millimeter then
you can do it the hell you.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Want.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Ryeah, yeah but who is doing?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That this fucking. Guy so, anyways IF i was gonna do,
it do A, DMR i guess it would really depend
on one who is shooting. It is it a larger
frame person a smaller frame. Person if it's a smaller frame, person, dude,
listen here's a five to five six twenty round mag
twenty inch, barrel you, know with like a four to
(14:39):
sixteen mag scope on. It you're. Golden, Yeah and you're
golden brow rip.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It, now like what we got for?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Twitch so that is a freaking five to twenty five
six five gred more twenty four inch. BARREL i haven't
shot that rifle out to one thousand, Yards no, problem nail, driver.
Dude you can stack rounds on top of each. Other, that,
dude is. RIDICULOUS i love a six or, Five especially
(15:11):
at the heavier round. Weights you get a little bit
heavier of a ballistic, coefficient so they tend to not
let the wind affect them quite as. Much, Dude there
is so many things THAT i like about a six
ouck gread more THAT i also like about a figure
(15:33):
three o. Eight the difference is, is LIKE i, said you're,
going your transonic barrier has been extended by like three hundred,
yards so therefore your range has been extended by three
or four hundred. Yards you, know it's a flatter shooting,
round so you don't have to frigging pick up you
(15:55):
know what. Artillery, yeah you're You're you're not having to
pick up fourteen mills of elevation, Instead now you can
pick up you, know at let's, say nine hundred yards
six five more nine hundred yards you're looking seven point
TWO i believe mills of, elevation so you're literally half
(16:18):
and you're still getting the same.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Impact now you guys are Taking twitch out to shoot
his new six five correct.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On saturday next.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Week, Yeah i've got about one hundred rounds of the
one forty, grand BUT i picked up another forty of
some is one twenty five and, no BUT i end
it on. Purpose, yeah you, know so that he could
see the difference in the different rounds and how they.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Shoot so the thing is is the lighter, round your
feet per second is going to be, faster but the
wind's gonna have More the wind will have more effect on. It, Right,
WELL i mean you, know if we're shooting for you
got the dip of it right, Right, Yeah LIKE i,
(17:11):
said it four or five hundred. Yards the only real
noticeable difference you're gonna see is that the lighter, round
it will impact a little, higher.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right, yeah lift it's.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Fast, well it's because it's. Faster gravity works based on,
speed so your round will impact a little bit, sooner
so gravity doesn't have as long to effect that, round
and then he might notice a little bit of windage.
Change the reason why WHENEVER i chose to go with
(17:47):
the one hundred and forty. Grain was the rounds a little,
heavier and LIKE i, SAID i was able to take
AND i could draw a, small little dime sized circle
one hundred four rain AND i could put six rounds
at a, now given it's one hundred, yards BUT i
could put six rounds seven rounds in the same. HOLE i,
(18:11):
mean it was. Ridiculous Like, so my buddy that you
met earlier, today, dude he used to be so pissed to.
Me all we'd go out and shoot And i'm, like he's, like,
dude you only hit the target. Twice i'm like, No i'm,
like this paper is for your three foot, wide three foot.
Tall do you see any other bullet holes in this? Thing?
(18:31):
Nope i'm, like you know why they're all in. There
and he was, LIKE i hate you because he would
shoot at three oh eight when we first got started shooting.
Together he would shoot. THREE i shot a six fight, yeah,
Dude and you know he'd have you, know he had
a decent, spread like it was good, enough, YEAH i,
mean but he would have a three or four inch. Spread,
(18:52):
Yeah and he's, like, dude he goes you missed And i'm,
LIKE i didn't miss by three freaking, feet, Bro, like you,
know IF i, miss it's gonna be by like a
half an inch an inch to it the, most. Dude
he used to get so mad at, Me so what
do you? Do he put his three eight in the
freaking closet and went bought a six or five Creed
(19:13):
more's where to, god, Dude and to this day he
still has that gun and he's, LIKE i can't believe you.
Shoot i'm, LIKE i tried telling him BECAUSE i was
shooting his rifle And i'm, like, bro it's not the.
Rifle i'm, like it's. You BECAUSE i could take his
three oh eight and shoot it AND i couldn't get
(19:36):
that type of accuracy out of it because there's a
little short. Brother it was like an eighteen, inch you.
Know but you KNOW i could still get all the
rounds in probably a half. Dollar And i'm, like, dude
that rifle shoots. Good. YEAH i love the guy to
(19:57):
dad AND i give him ship to the stand like
you just can't shoot worth the Ship like, sorry you
nice guy can't. Shoot.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
SORRY i think twitch has.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Aptitude yeah for it because the first time he touched
at three thirty eight The, yeah he was ringing steel
at four hundred.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yards, yeah and out there in my, place and he
had never touched one. Before So i'm gonna teach him
some things that have been taught to me about bullet
drop and obstacles in the. Middle like to hit a
center mass, TARGET i don't need to see center. MASS
(20:39):
i just need to know your, head SO i know
where center mass is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Because it's gonna drop a certain, right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You shoot over the, barricade, Dude bullet, lift bullet, Drop
you shoot over the goddang, barricade and let that bullet
just do his. Thing you already know what it's gonna, do, right,
because as much as you hate to say, it that
bullet will do the same thing almost every. Time nothing.
(21:07):
Changes it's all. Geometry it's all physics up and. Down
as long as you know what up is and you
know it down, Is, Yeah i'll drop that bullet right
on your fringer. Forehead it figgering a thousand.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yards, WELL i mean you've seen some of these insane,
shots not even with like like, rifles, yeah like wild
that record nine millimeters shot with the handgun is is damn.
It it's close to a thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yards, yeah, due it's, insane you.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Know it's like what, wow OH i?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Did oh, OKAY i was, like, yeah, WILD i, mean And.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm just, like, so the new record for a twenty
two long, rifle If i'm not, mistaken AND i maybe
don't hold me to, this BUT i believe is now two.
Miles What oh, yes, YEAH i. Believe it's LIKE i,
believe If i'm not, mistaken it's two.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Miles that's that is not, rifle that is.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Artillery no oh yeah yeah. YEAH i mean you're no
longer shooting flat, Flat, no.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're shooting up and just dropping it. In, yeah it's AN. Icbm,
yeah BUT i.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Believe and LIKE i, SAID i might be, mistaken, yeah
BUT i. Believe the new record for like at twenty
two L. R i believe is like two.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Miles BECAUSE i, know like one of the records for
the FIFTY bmg was was?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It it? Was it was damn close to two.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Miles so that was actually for a sniper, kill, right.
Dude it's funny how it really changes whenever it's, like,
oh you killed somebody at two point four miles because
you had to hit like their, head, Right but now
take that target and expand it to like six foot
by six, foot and now you're shooting at the broad
(23:01):
side of a. Barn it makes that way, easier you
know What i'm. Saying. Yeah, so, like, YEAH i didn't
see the video of they do with the twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
TWO i saw the video of the nine. Millimeter, yeah
that was just.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Insane but IF i want to guess that target the
guy was shooting that, dude it was probably ten by, ten, Right, like,
bro can you hit?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It can you hit it at? All?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah and here's the. Thing even if you did hit
it and it wasn't freaking person lucky, shot it's it's
gonna be like oh, yeah, Yeah like that's gonna be some. Bullshit. Yeah,
so LIKE i, SAID i LIKE i like threeh eight
for the fact that it's a very standardized. Round, YEAH
(23:50):
nato uses, it The United states military uses. It held
half the freaking deer hunters in The United. STATE i
don't want to say half. Anymore a quarter of the
freaking deer in The United states use. It BUT i
do believe it has seen its better.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Days, well there's a lot of old school rounds that
aren't used much, anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Or THE uh it's eight Millimeter mauser.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Thirty thirty thirty odd, six.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So they're not real good for. Anything so thirty all, six,
Yeah i'll give that one to. YOU i have phenomenal. Round,
yeah thirty all six, is, Dude that damn thing has
more knock down power. Velocity you, Knows i'll do it,
right thirty thirty inside of two hundred, yards it's probably.
Decent but that's LIKE i, said that's inside two hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yards but thirty odd six is getting harder to find it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Is, yeah thirty all, six, dude that was the original
chambering of the friggin barr and quite, frankly, dude it
was a phenomenal round and it still.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is and when you're dealing with body, armor that's what
they like level like like level, four like body armory
is thirty out. Six, yeah but, again how many people
have thirty out six?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Anymore, well and if that's the, thing it's not even
thirty oh, six it's thirty six ap ap. Right oh,
yeah so who has a lot of people have thirty?
Six who has.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Thirty six ap of the that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Thing but that's where it. FREAKS i, mean you go
to LIKE ap, two that's a whole other.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Level i'm saying the, Average, yeah the average.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Shoe and that's WHY i Also i'm beginning to fall
into the whole category of where LIKE i don't know
that level four body armor is, necessary.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right three Plus, yeah that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Conversation so we're gonna stay out of that. One but
three o eight is great because you can replace with seven,
six two fifty one either or WHATEVER i. Like LIKE i,
SAID i really like the two, two, three, five five
six out of a twenty inch or twenty two inch
(26:05):
barrel because your velocity is, screaming so you're you're depositing
a lot of energy on target for A dmr if
you're inside five hundred, yards phenomenal, great especially with like
a seventy seventh, grade LIKE i, said a bonded bullet
(26:26):
where the freaking jacketing is actually freaking cramped to the.
Core that, well you're not losing that mass because it
doesn't have a whole lot of mass to start, with
so to lose mass would really. Suck but when it's
all cramped together and you're like taking the whole brunt
of that, Impact, yeah, dude that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Legit so.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Let's just say not the one that twitch, guy because
we know we got a specialty on, that but a
decent six five Creed more with a decent. Optic, yeah
what is someone looking at to get into the?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Beginnings? There the entry level they want to start, Out.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So entry Level, okay so three to eight and six
hour creed more are both gonna. Be the pricing is
going to be VERY similarco six.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Five.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
YEAH i mean either, way LIKE i, said one is
easier to find the other, one AND i think it's
a little better, now both of them are kind of
easy to. Find to get into the game with a
good optic ahead of the game, BIPOD i, mean because
there's that's the. Thing once you get to like, DMRs
(27:43):
you've got to get a. Bipod you got to have
a good stock that fits the. Shooter you've got to
have there are certain things that are required other than
just the, rifle, Dude, yeah BECAUSE i mean bare minimum
on an, optic you're looking eight to one thousand bucks
(28:09):
just on an. Optic then once you get into the
frigging rifle, itself you're probably looking twelve to fifteen hundred
for a you, know a decent. NOW i Mean i've Seen.
Christensen they make phenomenal rifles six out Creed more and
(28:30):
you're looking eight, nine ten thousand. DOLLARS i, mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's like the difference between you, know A toyota and A.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
YEAH i, mean they're both good, vehicles but They're.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
IF i was gonna start all over, again especially in
the six five, CATEGORY i would probably go with like
either A tika or A. Bagara, wow, dude for, real
they're frigging, wild but you're gonna put down to get
(29:03):
just the. Rifle you're like two grand like for for
the quality that you could actually. Spend So BONDS i
doesn't want to say. IT i just sold him a
rifle for his. Son it is A savage one ten
b a. STEALTH i promise you that rifle will outshoot.
(29:29):
Anything BUT i promise you for a budget ended, rifle
AND i would. Do i'll challenge anybody if you believe
that that is not the. Case Let, BONDS i, know,
(29:50):
actually but that rifle is so insanely accurate THAT i,
mean LIKE i was telling you, before at three hundre,
Yards i'm stacking rounds on four inch. Plates, Okay so
that is within a mill r and dude just stacking
(30:11):
them and the rifle does not. Care bigaras make great.
Rifles tika now makes great. Rifles, savage LIKE i, said
the one TO Nba stealth is a phenomenal. RIFLE i
don't really like The Ruger precision. Rifle they came out
with those about the same Time savage. DID i don't like.
(30:33):
Them the bore axis just feels, funny especially when you're
like trying to reachamber. Around they feel. Funny but again
that falls more to like a sniper. Category BUT, Dmr,
Dude i'm telling you twenty twenty two inch barrel five
five six seventy seven grain twenty round mag with like
(30:54):
a four to sixteen optic because you don't need do
your Dmart you're not, sniper, Right. DUDE a four to
sixteen or three to twelve would be. Phenomenal LIKE i,
said seventy seven grain botol hollow points that, way you're
(31:14):
still carrying that. Mask the longer barrel you're getting the.
Speed that's Where i'd be. AT i, mean and you,
know don't get me, wrong the larger caliber six five
three oh eight especially freaking mag. Fed you, know semi.
Automatic rip, it, yeah have, it have a good, time
because your fixo splatter a whole lot of redds. Somewhere
(31:37):
BUT i would for your average entry level designating marksmen
seventy seven, Grain i'd rip.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It it'd be good and at that size also is
perfect for it if you're having the hood, game oh,
dude one hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Percent, well so that's the. Thing that's what it becomes.
Like it's a multipurpose rifle instead of just a sniper
rifle exactly exactly because you hunt game with. It, now
given in the state Of, florida we're not allowed to
freaking hunt with freaking two two three.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Shit it's a fan that's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Matter, yeah it won't.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Matter you'll drop the rhino that escaped From, Wald florida
and you, know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
YEAH i mean, listen put around in the. Eyeball don't
worry about. It there are certain other aspects that you
don't need to be, considered but for like the average
designating marksmen based on body size, experience that's, where LIKE i,
said these other like aspects have to come into, play,
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right seventy seven grains.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Great, awesome real bit, so, FOLKS i Hope this has
been helpful to you for those of you that are
looking for more than JUST.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Cqb but you're not quite a.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Sniper you're looking at that in, between you, know something
where you could reach out and touch people if you have,
to but you know you are on a budget as
well for. Sure thank you so much for tuning. In
this Was Blitz greek number four number four D. R
thank you, guys tune in.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Again
Welcome to blitz Cerreek number four on Bonzie Prepping podcast. Tonight,
we're gonna be talking about d m RS long Range
Dedicated Marksmen Rifles.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, yes, this is Bondsi.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
We've got ox and we have boo boo all in
the house. Yes, my tongue stopped working, so you had
to just you had to be my tongue for me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh dude, that's scared. That's been in very dirty places.
No wonder it tastes. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now we've talked room.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We've talked in the past about side arms, and we
know you hate glocks.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We have heard that trash.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now it was good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
They all sucked you were. Today is not slide arm
day and you know it's not day boo.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Now there's also main battle rifles, which we're not doing
today either. That's what the average riflemen would be carrying.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Now, this is DMRs Dedicated Marksman Rifles, long range shooters,
snipers so to speak. I know a lot of people
don't like the term sniper.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
No, you know it's touch out right. Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, So now when we're talking about that, the smallest
caliber that would be used for a DMR would.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Be two two, three, five, five six, preferably seventy seven
grain or heavier.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But that's already really really light.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It is. It's an incredibly light round out of a
twenty inch barrel. Though you're talking like thirty four hundred
thirty two to thirty four hundred feet a second, so
you're actually still especially like a bonded round, like a boatail,
hollow point, it's a bonded round, You're still distributing a
(02:02):
lot of energy on target.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So what ranges are you talking?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Four hundred, seven hundred and seven hundred, Yeah, dude, you
can go out seven hundred yards if with seventy seven
grain Boto hall of point. Yeah, dude, seven hundred yards.
You're still, dude if you make contact, because you're still
flying at twenty four hundred ish twenty five hundred ish
(02:28):
feet per second.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But that's really on the extreme.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, Yeah, you're right. So, I mean, if you were
just doing it for shits and giggles, three to eight,
I would keep. I would keep like two two, three,
five five six, especially with that heavy round. I would
like to see that inside of like four hundred.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Five hundred yards, That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Three or four, Yeah, I mean there you're really safe.
So the funny thing is about energy on target. You
can double the weight a round and you only actually
double the energy transfer, but if you double the speed
of said round, you're actually quadrupling energy on target.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Mass times equals for correct standard physics.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Right. So that's where like a two two three, because
it is such a fast round shines. I mean you're
literally in like I said, what inside five hundred yards
two two three, five five six it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So that's why something like a six' five has.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Seeded eight, cool, yes because you know you're getting a
very similar mass but with a lot more. Velocity and
WHEN i say a lot, More i'm talking you to
four five hundred feet per. Second but you're also getting
a lot flattered. Trajectory not gonna. Lie there are rounds
(03:59):
that are far superior to a six five creed more.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well was eight? Six is? It?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, yeah but that's a super song a sub sonic
round right Off Jump. Street your standard hunting rounds like
two seventy two forty three seven millimeter are, actually believe.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It or, not that'd mouser. DO i like the old
mouser like.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Seven millimeter wind mag they're actually far superior to even
a six five Creed. More six y five Creed, MORE i,
feel is superior to a three oh eight threeh. Eight
that's Old, grandpa which do not Neglect grandpa because that
(04:48):
three Eight World war, two well, no that was the
forty FIVE. Acp don't mess with, donkey do not mess with. Nukey.
No BUT i mean three oh eight is a phenomenal, round, right.
DUDE i mean it carries a whole lot of mass
going pretty damn.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
FAST i mean that's my long.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Gun. Yeah so the problem is is you get a
lot of that bullet.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Drop it, does but you got to compensate for right
what You're but.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Then you end up with like a transonic. Barrier where
your transponic barrier ON i think a three o EIGHT
i believe is like eight eight hundred fifty, yards your
transonic barrier on a six to five Creed more is
like eleven hundred. Yards because when you hit that transponic,
barrier that bullet starts to do a lot of weird
stuff like it basically does like a watris and just
(05:38):
flops around.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Because it's coming out of the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right it broke that barrier between sub sonic and. Supersonic,
yeah it hit that shock, wave and so now that
bullet starts doing freaking dumb we'll go on.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Sideways, yeah oh, Listen i've.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Seen them go. Sideways i've seen them freak flip around
and hit the freaking target backwards.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Backwards but, realistically.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Even if you are a quote unquote marksman sniper, whatever
you know how they used to call, it and a
ship hit the fan, scenario most of your shots And
i'm not talking about people IN cqb something up close.
FIGHTING i absolutely long. Range i'm still talking long. Range
(06:31):
you're still probably talking under a thousand. YARDS i, mean,
honestly because because if because How i've always tried to
explain it to. People unless you are on a specific
mission to take out a certain, target, correct anything less
than two or three hundred, yards you don't. Engage you stay.
(06:54):
Hidden you don't want them to know that you're. There
you don't want to you know WHAT i. Mean you, know,
now if you were actually, less they're.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like actively engaging you right right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well or you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Below but if if they don't know you're, there they're
not coming in your, direction you. Know, so SO i
mean you, know there's a certain beyond a certain, range
you usually just leave them.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Alone.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Listen, Yeah so there's a whole lot of aspects that
fall into. That like even believe it or, not now
whinshield glass but glass because when yield glass is. Funny
when your glass does really crazy stuff because it's, angled
it does you.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Can shoot straight and it actually goes.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Correct, yeah when you're shooting, in if you're shooting, out
it actually goes out and goes.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Up so that's why you're gonna go like this and
it goes up and out and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Down it's when shield glass is. Funny but like when
you're shooting like window. Glass so one of the gentlemen
That i've been shooting with for several, Years navy seal,
sniper he's if the target was beyond three feet on
the other side of a pane of, glass even though
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that glass was, flat so you don't have to worry
about any deflection due to the curvature of the. Glass,
correct he, said unless it is a critical, target you
do not take that. Shot, no because glass does really
funny shit to, rounds you, KNOW i, mean even if
it's a small deformity in the bullet as it goes,
(08:27):
through that will actually cause a slight deflection in that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
ROUND a slight deflection at ten feet can be a
matter of, six, seven, eight ten inches.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The wrong, person, Right so they're, like, again there's a
lot of things you have to determine whenever we're talking about.
DMRs are we talking some automatic bolt? Action are we
talking about your typical twenty Inch AND i don't want
to say, typical but twenty inch barreled five five, six
(09:00):
because that serves a whole different purpose than does you
know you're three to eight or six five Creed, more
which is now adopted by the. Military, yeah and then
you know you go up into like three three at
pooh and fifty cow fifty, cow which is. GREAT i
would love to own. One that's actually my next dream.
GUN i think.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's gonna.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Be the problem is is like on fifty, cow you
can buy Belted ammo for it for about three dollars.
Around that's only like three or four MOAM. O it
is not precision RIFLE. Ammo that is why it was.
Belted it was belted to go into. Amadus so you're
(09:42):
looking three or four moa pray and spray you know
WHAT i mean three thirty Eight lapua. PHENOMENAL i think
that actually falls outside THE dmr category because now you're
going into more like sniper rifle categor and that's WHERE i,
(10:02):
think like YOUR dmr is like a real specific niche
that is more like five five six threeh eight six
five Creed. More, Right that's Why i'm kind of like
sticking in those three during this. Conversation. Exactly there are
other rounds that are, phenomenal that do great things at
(10:23):
super long, ranges but they're they kind of have like
their own little, niche but.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
The most common because, again, shit it's the. Fan you
don't want some super RARE ammo that you're never gonna.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Find you don't want a wildcat, round.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right you want something that if you kill a bad, guy,
yeah he's most likely gonna have what you.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Need.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yea so this was the funny part is WHEN i
first started shooting six to five Creed, MORE i went
from three oh eight to six, five AND i was
like really kind of hesitant on that Because i'm, like,
dude what what happens WHEN i can't get? This and
then all of a, sudden the market was just inundated
(11:06):
with six five Creed. More it was everywhere. DUE i,
mean you couldn't go to a Bass pro shop without
walking past like three friggin tiers of six five Creed More.
Ammo and then you couldn't go online without like eight
hundred manufacturers trying to tell you sixty five Grede More, amo.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We still sell six Favnite. Walmart, Right so.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
THREE o eight is great because it is A nato compatible.
ROUND i mean it's seven six two by fifty one
bright the way it will. INTERCHANGE i don't give a
shit what gun manufacturers tell you it will. Interchange i'm
not an. ATTORNEY i do not call, me but if
(11:47):
it happens to blow up in your, face but dimensionally
it is the same. Round, Yeah and is this with
five five six and two two? Three do not? Shoot?
WELL i don't want to, say do. NOT i wouldn't
shoot a whole pile of two two three through a
five five six or, No i'm, SORRY i wouldn't shot
(12:09):
a whole pile of five five six two two three
the other. Way it doesn't really matter because of chamber
pressures and a whole bunch of other really fancy crap
that does and all that.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Bullshit, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But LIKE i, said, once six to five Creed more
became incredibly incredibly like. Popular yeah common, NOW i, mean
now it's a common. ROUND i don't know, that Although
i've seen a whole lot of six millimeter Creed more
that is now a flatter shooting in this and that
and the other for bench, rest probably. GREAT i don't.
(12:43):
KNOW i never shot. One, UH i don't know that
it would be like my go to end of the. World,
no because you're gonna have a really hard time FINDING
ammo for.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It, well IT'S i mean, again like with, handguns the
ten millimeter is an awesome, round but it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
To it was an awesome, round it was until they
neutered it and took like half the powder out of.
It you didn't know that it? Sucks what, dude why
are you looking At you did not know.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That that's why we went to like the, Forty.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's why they went to three seventy. Six, yes so
The oh, dude So i'm gonna blow your mind right.
Here even though this is incredibly off. Topic they did
the ten. Milimeter it was. Phenomenal they liked the freaking
ballistics of it hold nine, yards but then they realized
nobody could shoot it because it kicked too. Hard the
(13:36):
original ten. Milimeter, oh what they did was they took
it and they neutered. It they dumped like half the
freaking powder out of. It, yeah, no for, real that
is one hundred percent what it. Is they reloaded, it
put the realm back in, it and they found that
it is actually no more effective than a forty smith and. Lesson. Yeah,
(14:00):
yeah even though it is a larger round supposed to
be flying. Faster but they newtered, It they really. Didn't
they went to forty to.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Nine, yeah and the nine is doing the same thing
as the.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Forty.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah so if you reloaded your own ten, millimeter then
you can do it the hell you.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Want.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Ryeah, yeah but who is doing?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That this fucking. Guy so, anyways IF i was gonna do,
it do A, DMR i guess it would really depend
on one who is shooting. It is it a larger
frame person a smaller frame. Person if it's a smaller frame, person, dude,
listen here's a five to five six twenty round mag
twenty inch, barrel you, know with like a four to
(14:39):
sixteen mag scope on. It you're. Golden, Yeah and you're
golden brow rip.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It, now like what we got for?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Twitch so that is a freaking five to twenty five
six five gred more twenty four inch. BARREL i haven't
shot that rifle out to one thousand, Yards no, problem nail, driver.
Dude you can stack rounds on top of each. Other, that,
dude is. RIDICULOUS i love a six or, Five especially
(15:11):
at the heavier round. Weights you get a little bit
heavier of a ballistic, coefficient so they tend to not
let the wind affect them quite as. Much, Dude there
is so many things THAT i like about a six
ouck gread more THAT i also like about a figure
(15:33):
three o. Eight the difference is, is LIKE i, said you're,
going your transonic barrier has been extended by like three hundred,
yards so therefore your range has been extended by three
or four hundred. Yards you, know it's a flatter shooting,
round so you don't have to frigging pick up you
(15:55):
know what. Artillery, yeah you're You're you're not having to
pick up fourteen mills of elevation, Instead now you can
pick up you, know at let's, say nine hundred yards
six five more nine hundred yards you're looking seven point
TWO i believe mills of, elevation so you're literally half
(16:18):
and you're still getting the same.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Impact now you guys are Taking twitch out to shoot
his new six five correct.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
On saturday next.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Week, Yeah i've got about one hundred rounds of the
one forty, grand BUT i picked up another forty of
some is one twenty five and, no BUT i end
it on. Purpose, yeah you, know so that he could
see the difference in the different rounds and how they.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Shoot so the thing is is the lighter, round your
feet per second is going to be, faster but the
wind's gonna have More the wind will have more effect on. It, Right,
WELL i mean you, know if we're shooting for you
got the dip of it right, Right, Yeah LIKE i,
(17:11):
said it four or five hundred. Yards the only real
noticeable difference you're gonna see is that the lighter, round
it will impact a little, higher.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right, yeah lift it's.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Fast, well it's because it's. Faster gravity works based on,
speed so your round will impact a little bit, sooner
so gravity doesn't have as long to effect that, round
and then he might notice a little bit of windage.
Change the reason why WHENEVER i chose to go with
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the one hundred and forty. Grain was the rounds a little,
heavier and LIKE i, SAID i was able to take
AND i could draw a, small little dime sized circle
one hundred four rain AND i could put six rounds
at a, now given it's one hundred, yards BUT i
could put six rounds seven rounds in the same. HOLE i,
(18:11):
mean it was. Ridiculous Like, so my buddy that you
met earlier, today, dude he used to be so pissed to.
Me all we'd go out and shoot And i'm, like he's, like,
dude you only hit the target. Twice i'm like, No i'm,
like this paper is for your three foot, wide three foot.
Tall do you see any other bullet holes in this? Thing?
(18:31):
Nope i'm, like you know why they're all in. There
and he was, LIKE i hate you because he would
shoot at three oh eight when we first got started shooting.
Together he would shoot. THREE i shot a six fight, yeah,
Dude and you know he'd have you, know he had
a decent, spread like it was good, enough, YEAH i,
mean but he would have a three or four inch. Spread,
(18:52):
Yeah and he's, like, dude he goes you missed And i'm,
LIKE i didn't miss by three freaking, feet, Bro, like you,
know IF i, miss it's gonna be by like a
half an inch an inch to it the, most. Dude
he used to get so mad at, Me so what
do you? Do he put his three eight in the
freaking closet and went bought a six or five Creed
(19:13):
more's where to, god, Dude and to this day he
still has that gun and he's, LIKE i can't believe you.
Shoot i'm, LIKE i tried telling him BECAUSE i was
shooting his rifle And i'm, like, bro it's not the.
Rifle i'm, like it's. You BECAUSE i could take his
three oh eight and shoot it AND i couldn't get
(19:36):
that type of accuracy out of it because there's a
little short. Brother it was like an eighteen, inch you.
Know but you KNOW i could still get all the
rounds in probably a half. Dollar And i'm, like, dude
that rifle shoots. Good. YEAH i love the guy to
(19:57):
dad AND i give him ship to the stand like
you just can't shoot worth the Ship like, sorry you
nice guy can't. Shoot.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
SORRY i think twitch has.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Aptitude yeah for it because the first time he touched
at three thirty eight The, yeah he was ringing steel
at four hundred.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yards, yeah and out there in my, place and he
had never touched one. Before So i'm gonna teach him
some things that have been taught to me about bullet
drop and obstacles in the. Middle like to hit a
center mass, TARGET i don't need to see center. MASS
(20:39):
i just need to know your, head SO i know
where center mass is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Because it's gonna drop a certain, right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You shoot over the, barricade, Dude bullet, lift bullet, Drop
you shoot over the goddang, barricade and let that bullet
just do his. Thing you already know what it's gonna, do, right,
because as much as you hate to say, it that
bullet will do the same thing almost every. Time nothing.
(21:07):
Changes it's all. Geometry it's all physics up and. Down
as long as you know what up is and you
know it down, Is, Yeah i'll drop that bullet right
on your fringer. Forehead it figgering a thousand.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yards, WELL i mean you've seen some of these insane,
shots not even with like like, rifles, yeah like wild
that record nine millimeters shot with the handgun is is damn.
It it's close to a thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yards, yeah, due it's, insane you.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Know it's like what, wow OH i?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Did oh, OKAY i was, like, yeah, WILD i, mean And.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm just, like, so the new record for a twenty
two long, rifle If i'm not, mistaken AND i maybe
don't hold me to, this BUT i believe is now two.
Miles What oh, yes, YEAH i. Believe it's LIKE i,
believe If i'm not, mistaken it's two.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Miles that's that is not, rifle that is.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Artillery no oh yeah yeah. YEAH i mean you're no
longer shooting flat, Flat, no.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're shooting up and just dropping it. In, yeah it's AN. Icbm,
yeah BUT i.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Believe and LIKE i, SAID i might be, mistaken, yeah
BUT i. Believe the new record for like at twenty
two L. R i believe is like two.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Miles BECAUSE i, know like one of the records for
the FIFTY bmg was was?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It it? Was it was damn close to two.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Miles so that was actually for a sniper, kill, right.
Dude it's funny how it really changes whenever it's, like,
oh you killed somebody at two point four miles because
you had to hit like their, head, Right but now
take that target and expand it to like six foot
by six, foot and now you're shooting at the broad
(23:01):
side of a. Barn it makes that way, easier you
know What i'm. Saying. Yeah, so, like, YEAH i didn't
see the video of they do with the twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
TWO i saw the video of the nine. Millimeter, yeah
that was just.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Insane but IF i want to guess that target the
guy was shooting that, dude it was probably ten by, ten, Right, like,
bro can you hit?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It can you hit it at? All?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah and here's the. Thing even if you did hit
it and it wasn't freaking person lucky, shot it's it's
gonna be like oh, yeah, Yeah like that's gonna be some. Bullshit. Yeah,
so LIKE i, SAID i LIKE i like threeh eight
for the fact that it's a very standardized. Round, YEAH
(23:50):
nato uses, it The United states military uses. It held
half the freaking deer hunters in The United. STATE i
don't want to say half. Anymore a quarter of the
freaking deer in The United states use. It BUT i
do believe it has seen its better.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Days, well there's a lot of old school rounds that
aren't used much, anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Or THE uh it's eight Millimeter mauser.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Thirty thirty thirty odd, six.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So they're not real good for. Anything so thirty all, six,
Yeah i'll give that one to. YOU i have phenomenal. Round,
yeah thirty all six, is, Dude that damn thing has
more knock down power. Velocity you, Knows i'll do it,
right thirty thirty inside of two hundred, yards it's probably.
Decent but that's LIKE i, said that's inside two hundred.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yards but thirty odd six is getting harder to find it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Is, yeah thirty all, six, dude that was the original
chambering of the friggin barr and quite, frankly, dude it
was a phenomenal round and it still.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is and when you're dealing with body, armor that's what
they like level like like level, four like body armory
is thirty out. Six, yeah but, again how many people
have thirty out six?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Anymore, well and if that's the, thing it's not even
thirty oh, six it's thirty six ap ap. Right oh,
yeah so who has a lot of people have thirty?
Six who has.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Thirty six ap of the that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Thing but that's where it. FREAKS i, mean you go
to LIKE ap, two that's a whole other.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Level i'm saying the, Average, yeah the average.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Shoe and that's WHY i Also i'm beginning to fall
into the whole category of where LIKE i don't know
that level four body armor is, necessary.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right three Plus, yeah that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Conversation so we're gonna stay out of that. One but
three o eight is great because you can replace with seven,
six two fifty one either or WHATEVER i. Like LIKE i,
SAID i really like the two, two, three, five five
six out of a twenty inch or twenty two inch
(26:05):
barrel because your velocity is, screaming so you're you're depositing
a lot of energy on target for A dmr if
you're inside five hundred, yards phenomenal, great especially with like
a seventy seventh, grade LIKE i, said a bonded bullet
(26:26):
where the freaking jacketing is actually freaking cramped to the.
Core that, well you're not losing that mass because it
doesn't have a whole lot of mass to start, with
so to lose mass would really. Suck but when it's
all cramped together and you're like taking the whole brunt
of that, Impact, yeah, dude that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Legit so.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Let's just say not the one that twitch, guy because
we know we got a specialty on, that but a
decent six five Creed more with a decent. Optic, yeah
what is someone looking at to get into the?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Beginnings? There the entry level they want to start, Out.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So entry Level, okay so three to eight and six
hour creed more are both gonna. Be the pricing is
going to be VERY similarco six.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Five.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
YEAH i mean either, way LIKE i, said one is
easier to find the other, one AND i think it's
a little better, now both of them are kind of
easy to. Find to get into the game with a
good optic ahead of the game, BIPOD i, mean because
there's that's the. Thing once you get to like, DMRs
(27:43):
you've got to get a. Bipod you got to have
a good stock that fits the. Shooter you've got to
have there are certain things that are required other than
just the, rifle, Dude, yeah BECAUSE i mean bare minimum
on an, optic you're looking eight to one thousand bucks
(28:09):
just on an. Optic then once you get into the
frigging rifle, itself you're probably looking twelve to fifteen hundred
for a you, know a decent. NOW i Mean i've Seen.
Christensen they make phenomenal rifles six out Creed more and
(28:30):
you're looking eight, nine ten thousand. DOLLARS i, mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's like the difference between you, know A toyota and A.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
YEAH i, mean they're both good, vehicles but They're.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
IF i was gonna start all over, again especially in
the six five, CATEGORY i would probably go with like
either A tika or A. Bagara, wow, dude for, real
they're frigging, wild but you're gonna put down to get
(29:03):
just the. Rifle you're like two grand like for for
the quality that you could actually. Spend So BONDS i
doesn't want to say. IT i just sold him a
rifle for his. Son it is A savage one ten
b a. STEALTH i promise you that rifle will outshoot.
(29:29):
Anything BUT i promise you for a budget ended, rifle
AND i would. Do i'll challenge anybody if you believe
that that is not the. Case Let, BONDS i, know,
(29:50):
actually but that rifle is so insanely accurate THAT i,
mean LIKE i was telling you, before at three hundre,
Yards i'm stacking rounds on four inch. Plates, Okay so
that is within a mill r and dude just stacking
(30:11):
them and the rifle does not. Care bigaras make great.
Rifles tika now makes great. Rifles, savage LIKE i, said
the one TO Nba stealth is a phenomenal. RIFLE i
don't really like The Ruger precision. Rifle they came out
with those about the same Time savage. DID i don't like.
(30:33):
Them the bore axis just feels, funny especially when you're
like trying to reachamber. Around they feel. Funny but again
that falls more to like a sniper. Category BUT, Dmr,
Dude i'm telling you twenty twenty two inch barrel five
five six seventy seven grain twenty round mag with like
(30:54):
a four to sixteen optic because you don't need do
your Dmart you're not, sniper, Right. DUDE a four to
sixteen or three to twelve would be. Phenomenal LIKE i,
said seventy seven grain botol hollow points that, way you're
(31:14):
still carrying that. Mask the longer barrel you're getting the.
Speed that's Where i'd be. AT i, mean and you,
know don't get me, wrong the larger caliber six five
three oh eight especially freaking mag. Fed you, know semi.
Automatic rip, it, yeah have, it have a good, time
because your fixo splatter a whole lot of redds. Somewhere
(31:37):
BUT i would for your average entry level designating marksmen
seventy seven, Grain i'd rip.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It it'd be good and at that size also is
perfect for it if you're having the hood, game oh,
dude one hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Percent, well so that's the. Thing that's what it becomes.
Like it's a multipurpose rifle instead of just a sniper
rifle exactly exactly because you hunt game with. It, now
given in the state Of, florida we're not allowed to
freaking hunt with freaking two two three.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Shit it's a fan that's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Matter, yeah it won't.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Matter you'll drop the rhino that escaped From, Wald florida
and you, know.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
YEAH i mean, listen put around in the. Eyeball don't
worry about. It there are certain other aspects that you
don't need to be, considered but for like the average
designating marksmen based on body size, experience that's, where LIKE i,
said these other like aspects have to come into, play,
(32:44):
right seventy seven grains.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Great, awesome real bit, so, FOLKS i Hope this has
been helpful to you for those of you that are
looking for more than JUST.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Cqb but you're not quite a.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Sniper you're looking at that in, between you, know something
where you could reach out and touch people if you have,
to but you know you are on a budget as
well for. Sure thank you so much for tuning. In
this Was Blitz greek number four number four D. R
thank you, guys tune in.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
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