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Arguments is recorded in front of alive studio audience. What's up, everybody,
Welcome in Argument listeners. Another episodeof Bargaments coming at him alongside.
Well, it's not my co hostJoe Kelly. He is off doing more
karaoke. The guy never talks whenI see him, but he is one
heck of a canary. Our otherguy who's coming into this one is Well.
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You may know him from such radiostations as Light FM here in Chicago,
the most popular station, especially duringChristmas time. I love the radio
station because well number one, Ican listen to it anytime by kicking me
in the car and it's all seeingalong stuff. He's the afternoon guy,
He's the PD. He's been prettymuch all over the country according to our
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pre show chat ladies and gentlemen,mc lee, Hey, welcome, We
thank you for having me. FuckWelcome to my studio. In your studio.
I'm going to be all the time. We are doing this studio.
We're doing this podcast out of thestudio at iHeart. And there's been so
many times I've rushed into the studioand you're the P that's on that I
can see, like the uh thename of the person who was on the
computer before, like, ooh,I hope he's done. You know,
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it's funny because I'm not used tobeing on this side. Yeah, I'm
usually behind the board, and soit's a little strange for me to be
on this side. Not having anythingto do with my hands. Well,
yeah, that is the taaladaga nightswhen I do my hands. When I
do my hands, just kind ofkeep them nice. You can use gestures.
There we go. I'm a gesterkind of a guy. Yeah,
I'm happy to be here. Thankyou for inviting me. We've been talking
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about this for a couple months now, and so no, no, one
of the cool things about what wedo here in radio, I mean,
especially in these radio like conglomerates thatwe're in a company. We work for
iHeart, and there's so many differentradio stations that are in this one cluster.
So it's been pretty nice that,you know, when I started this
podcast, I've been able to kindof pluck a couple of people from each
radio station, and yours is theone I've always wanted to do. But
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you guys are the busiest. There'slike a locked studio over there in the
corner. Every time I see youguys. You guys are hunkered down.
We hide until Christmas. You reallydo it. When we flip into November,
that's when we we were like,we're here, Merry Christmas, everybody,
and to then the rest of theyear we're just hiding out in the
music. And then I don't whenI see Robin Rocks flying out of here.
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Everybody is on the move. Butevery time I'm like, there's so
many more discussions I can have withlight FM, he goes the music.
Like I said, it's one ofthose stations where if you're in the dais
Chaer you'll hear it, if you'reat a department store you'll hear it.
Some of those songs you're like,these are it's probably the hub of guilty
pleasure songs. Yeah, totally.And that's that's kind of how I explain
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it sometimes is really if you canappreciate music, if you're not going to
be a music stop but if youcan appreciate music, you're gonna hear songs
on light FM that you're like,ah, I can get in this.
I mean, I'd admit it.No, some of them you will,
some like we play Journey, Don'tStop Believing that's a great song. Everybody
loves that one. But you mightfind yourself singing along to Whitney Houston.
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I Will Always love You and andand it's a guilty pleasure. But nobody
else is watching. I will scream, tell me, tell me, sweet
little lized. I'll sing that onthe South Side of Chicago, driving in
the worst neighborhood, and I'll havea fist out in the window, pumping
air and I'm like, this isthis is life. And my son,
who's nine years old, there'll betimes when we go out late at night
to my brothers, who lives onthe North Side and will drive and it's
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getting late and he wants to kindof fall asleep or he wants to like
relax. He doesn't only hear likehe's a big Green Day fan. But
then all of a sudden, he'slike, Dad, put on that relaxing
favorite station, and I'm like,you should voice that for them. Yeah,
I'll pull it up and I'll belike like, it'll be Whitty Hustart,
something nice and mellow, and I'llbe like this is perfect and that
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I'm like, all right, maybewe'll stop talking. Yeah, devinis later
he's like jamming out to the samesong as we are. I'm like,
okay, this this music does translateto every generation. Yeah, And that's
the great thing about I think wherewe're at right now with radio is that,
I mean, you and I havehad this discussion before, talking about
like the best of things in thepast, and nothing really compare. And
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again, maybe I'm just getting older, so I'm out of touch with the
newer music, but nothing really comparesto the music like the seventies, especially
the late seventies or mid seventies andthe eighties into the early nineties. That
is just when MTV was huge,and you have so many memories from watching
the music videos along with the musicyou love. And so I think that's
what it's turned into multiple generations ofpeople from from you know, people that
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actually heard it when they were kidsto the kids of today that are rediscovering
the music. And it's just themusic is just special. I've always said
that whenever a person gets about thirtythree years old, that's when new music
kind of stops hitting them. Atthat moment, my music tastes are like
frozen. Yeah, I really andI'll turn on Top four and out here
a couple of new songs like okay, that one's kind of good, that
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one's kind of good. But likeif you're somewhere to say, when I
build my iPod list or my Spotifylist for when I work out ninety eight
percent of it, I don't thinkeven touches the year two thousand. I
saw something in my show prep inthe past month or so, and I
can't remember the exact term of it. But the average person when it comes
to music, they're stuck in theirtheir high school and teen in all years.
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And it's because there's this comfort tothem and and there's there's an actual,
like study that's been done about it. And you just if you if
you're stressed out, if you're feelinglike you're you can't take whatever's going on
anymore, and you just you know, you need to, uh to escape
from something. You put on musicfrom your high school or middle school years,
and it just it's there's just comfortand it and it changes your whole
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attitude on whatever's been stressing you out. And and it's it's true. I
mean, there's one because every timea song comes on and if it means
somebody to like, I'll look atmy kid like why do you learn the
song like junior or high school,flirt with this girl, I end them
going out with a friend. Oh, you started telling these whole stories and
you're like, all that one songcan bring back so many random memories that
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you're just like, it's it'scapsulated.And the new music today you're making the
memory with it. But the butthe older songs are the ones where you're
you bring back those specific memories andevery song is linked to something in your
head, right, it really is. And someone and somebody actually pouted out
when I worked at another stage.I once worked at the classic Hits station.
They were like, just remember youare playing somebody's favorite song. Every
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song that comes on is someone's favoritesong. New music can't do that.
You're not gonna play like here's anew Rolling Stone or here's a new like
you know Metallica song and that's myfavorite you I mean with LIGHTFM, with
like the classic stuff, every songis somebody else's favorite. So well they
said that, I was like,Oh, that's an interesting thing to think
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about. That is a good wayto think about it, because you know,
we we we don't make music decisionslightly. We picked out the songs
we're playing on purpose based on lotsof different factors, and one of those
is looking at the research. Andthat's that is people in Chicago telling us
what they like. And so youmay hear, like you said, a
song that's like this is I withthis day play this, but enough people
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told us that they liked it,and a little bit of a little bit
of a insider baseball pull the pullthe curtain open. When I was working
for that classic Hits, I wasthe imaging director, and I remember they
would tell me we need to havein the promo, needs to be Journey
because that was rated the number onesong of all these songs, yeah that
are on this list. And thenit was the Billy Joel It was I
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thought it was like we didn't startthe fire or one of those when it
saw still rock and rolling me waslike his number one and one of his
few number ones. And I haveno idea like they like I remember they
would go and you switch this songoff for this promo. You need to
boot, you know, try toput this one in the front because everybody
likes this on the best. AndI was like, I just thought I
was going with what songs went withthe promo and like no, no,
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no, no, no, wegot to hit these I was like that
is I never even knew the scienceuntil I started getting more production savvy with
it. It's a mix of scienceand art. Yeah, definitely. Did
you when you were getting into radio, were you like, this is what
I want to do. I wantto be more on this genre. What
brought you into radio? Because everybody'sgot a different way of getting in.
I wanted to do more sports,more allowed. I wanted to be more
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in your face. And it's funnythat I'm not like a production guy who's
trying to be a nice, coolvoiceover guy. But everybody's got a different
path of where they've landed. Well, when I started by I was I
was not athletic at all. SoI look at a picture of me,
You're like, shocker, you weren'tathletic. But but so the horn that
I did to try to to tryto like to branch out and be creative
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and uh and and have some kindof a personality was is I was the
guy who DJed my school dances andand and like parties and things like that
around. So I started doing thatwhen I was fourteen and uh, and
then a lot of CDs, Alot of CDs. Yeah, I wish,
I wish it was the day todaywhere you could just have everything on
a computer, but lots of CDsand and uh and heavy speakers. But
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I knew somebody who who knew somebodywho knew somebody at the local radio station
in Opening, New York where I'mfrom, and uh, and they must
have been looking for they must havebeen desperate to find a boardop because I
went in for the interview with noradio experience, was just eighteen, like
a week out of high school.Wow, and uh. And I was
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like, I love music, I'mI do DJ on the side. What
can I do? And he waslike, do you want to board off
this Sunday? And I now thatI'm a manager, I program a radio
station. I can't imagine just takingsomebody off the street and in trusting them
to run a radio station and leavethe building any experience and the building on
a Sunday at six pm. Butthis guy, I don't know what he
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saw in me. I have noidea. Maybe he just like and was
just desperate to find somebody because nobodyyou want to run the board outline?
Yeah? So he he he sentme in there and I ran. It
was like a Casey Casem countdown onthe soft rock station in Albany and uh
and I didn't mess it up.So he invited me back again the next
week, and eventually I moved overto Top forty, which was my first
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on air, on air job acouple of years into it. But I
did everything from board opping to runningrunning events and street team and setting up
stuff for the DJs, and eventuallyhad a chance to do overnights back when
we did live overnight shifts and workedmy way up and so yeah, I
had no experience. I learned everythingas I went. That is everybody very
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very rare. Everybody has the mostunique stories of how they got in this
business. That might be one ofthe most You need. Just come on
Sunday, run it. We'll seehow you do. Yeah. Yeah,
And I'm in my forties now,but I was a young person in radio
at the time, and I waslucky enough to get promoted pretty quickly.
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And I moved here to Chicago atI think twenty nine or thirty, and
so they see me and they're like, this guy's going to run a soft
rock because I was a top fortyguy. Up until that, I ran
like the kiss fms and the zsand then I came here for this opportunity
and they're like, this guy's thisguy, he doesn't look fifty. The
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fifty year old is the guy thatruns the the A C. Station.
But I've been able to grow intothe into the position, and I get
to do it forever now because youknow, there's I'm probably the young one
of the youngest guys running an ACstation still at forty. You know.
So that and that, and itgoes back to when you come into a
situation like Chicago and you come intoa radio station like the one that you
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are on, I don't want toI don't want to take a hit by
saying it can it's almost as clockwork. It can be ran on its own
because the people here are so good. Like the talent isn't. You don't
need a tinker. You just gotto make sure, like, hey,
can you hit that spot a littleearlier or let me mess with the music.
But as far as everything else goes, the talent is so superior in
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terms of how they hit and howthey go in and out of things there.
It's kind of nice. It's gotto be. It's like going from
like you know, in ye oldbasketball to almost like the NBA and pretty
much UH. Also just having talentlike Melissa Foreman in the mornings on Light
FM and Robin Rock in mid days. They've been on this station for decades
and they can tell you what's whatwe do, what we don't do.
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They're so easy to coach because ofthey've been doing it for so long versus
the younger formats they're the talent oftenis younger and so still has to learn
how to become better and better.And obviously you're not going to get in
Chicago unless you're talented. But herethe Mayan air team, they know how
to shine and have personality, youknow, ooze out of them when they're
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on the microphone and they could doit within seven seconds. They're laughing.
Well, I listen to it onmy way into UH I take my kid
to school because it's very just easygood radio. Like when the talent talks,
when when Melissa is on, it'svery like easy fun, you know,
I don't worry about like, oh, maybe they might use some sharp
language that he doesn't need to hear. It's nice just it's just topical stuff
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that everybody's got in their mind anyway. And now with Joe Kelly not being
here, he and I have beendoing this podcast for a year. But
a question he has asked because he'snew to radio, and it's something that
maybe you could maybe shine a lightbecause you are PD. A lot of
times radio stations will use the moniker, the new, the new MYFM,
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the new light FM. Yeah,and there's stations on here. Is there
any time where it's like, okay, we can stop using the new?
Is there a expiration to the wordnew or is that just whatever I want
to say about it? I canbecause there I mean, there was a
station across the street that was thenew until they just flipped to another another
new and now it's the new.What is what's the secret when it comes
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to say, hey, we're anew radio station, but they may have
been out of the air for thelast like fifty years. Yes, yeah,
same they my So when we wereMYFM for a couple of years here
and then we flipped back to thenew ninety three point nine light FM,
And our idea behind it was isthat we are we are new, We're
we've we've been gone for a fewyears, we're going to come back and
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we're going to be a little bitdifferent. We brought back Melissa Foreman,
who hadn't been on the air onlight FM since two thousand and eight or
nine, so it was new Freshtown. It was weird when they were not
on because I've been here since twothousand, so I'm used to certain voices
and when they're not on, like, yes, this is the different.
I brought Delilah back too, becauseshe hadn't been on in six seven years
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either, so so we were thenew. But after about well, I
guess it depends do you feel likeit's catching on, because if you're if
you're if you're not, if you'renot seeing the success that you're hoping for
the station, that means that peoplehaven't heard it yet and so it's still
new to them or they I guessthey don't like it. But I would
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say a year interest. That's that'sjust what my gut tells me. It's
about a year is probably as muchas you can get away with it.
But you do see stations that goon for years with it, So I
don't know. Christmas. Christmas isthe time where this radio station shines the
most and I guess I would havethis. When are you starting to plan
for that? Do you already knowlike the next time it's gonna flip?
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Is it one of those things whereyou're like, how how much earlier can
we get it? Because the ratingis just it's it's the soundtrack of Chicago
the minute like Thanksgiving is done,Christmas is before we Yeah, for us,
we do it before Thanksgiving. Yeah, So are you always trying to
figure out ways to march it earlierand earlier? Or is it like,
hey, let's let's let's can jumpbefore Halloween unless there's like a foot of
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snow on the ground on October twentyeighth, and maybe we go. You
know, I always kind of havean idea in my mind. It's it's
actually not a lot of people knowwhat the date will be until we actually
do it. But I always havean idea in my mind. But there
are lots of different factors that Iput into play, including like weather.
I mean, if it's one yearwe flipped on like I think might have
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been last year or the year before, we flipped on November first, and
it was like seventy degrees two dayslater, and I'm like this what are
we doing. It's seventy degrees,but it I mean, the listeners love
it. It's it's just a tradition. So I kind of have an idea.
I'll think about it, maybe abouta month in advance because at this
point we kind of and we havethe election this year too, which is
like November, we're really going todo music. Yeah, so you don't
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want to you don't want to necessarilyflip to Christmas on the day of the
election, because is anybody going tobe paying attention? But at the same
time, you know some people there'sgoing to be angry people, there's gonna
be happy people. So you knowyou're there for either side. I guess
everybody's friend, everybody's buddy on themicrophone. Since being a PDA, let's
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go it even more. What's itlife being a program director? Because in
Chicago, I know that there's alot you're dealing with artists, You're dealing
with all kinds of different people thatare trying to get their music on.
How often are you getting to likehang out with like an Eldon John or
a big artist that's on the radio, where you get to go to like
these cool events and all kinds ofstuff. Yeah. Well, unluckily,
I'm one of the few program directorsin Chicago who also gets to be on
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the air. I think that's abenefit. It's it's more work, but
it's a benefit because I can reallyI get to meet the listeners and and
understand what they're what their their wantsand and needs are. I get to
talk to them on the request line. I get to go to events and
and and shake their hands and so. But they don't know that you're the
boss, right, they don't knowit. But but but I get to
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I get to experience that part ofit as well. I I I I
like being able to have my handsand all of it. But it's it's
it is a lot of work.I I would say that I kind of
have to be a juggler, youknow. Sure any good artist stories from
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when you've got to hang out withsome people. Yeah, well, luckily,
I mean, because we're a goldbased music station, we don't play
a lot of new music except duringChristmas time sometimes, so I don't get
I don't deal with the record labelsas much as I use too and the
artists therefore, but I do.I haven't met a lot of a lot
of really cool uh artists that areare huge, like uh like Elton John.
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I flew out to Vegas and Ihad lunch with him and a few
other radio people in his dining roomin his his Vegas. It was amazing.
And the funny thing is is II didn't I don't have any evidence
of it. I'm just telling youa story. There's no photos. There's
my memories. It's like five yearsago. But you don't walk into Elton
John's sorry with your paparazzi camera.I did go into the bathroom and I
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thought about taking a selfie in hismirror, but I again, I was
just trying to respect it. Therewas a uh another radio stuff that I've
done. Me and my buddy AbeCannon, who used to work for this
company. We had to show onserious EXCEP for the Hours Stern channel,
and we did it out of Chicagoand every Christmas he would fly us down
for his giant Christmas lot and itwas the anything with that, You're like,
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he's there, he's talking. Iwant to take a picture, but
I don't want to be that guythat's taking them pictures. Yeah. So
like all that, the evidence thatthere is is me telling the stories.
I think there's one picture out thereof me and Abe singing regulator at the
karaoke. Yeah, that's it.That's all that would prove that he and
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I had that moment. But itwas like, Stern is where you are,
Baba Booe, all these guys andYou're like, I don't want to
be that guy, especially he isnot from here whipping on my phone and
just being that guy. So Iget that. And I do have a
photo with him later backstage when wewent to his show that night, but
I don't have any photos of fromwithin his his condo, penthouse, whatever
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you would call it, that hewas staying at at the top of the
casino. But but it was,it was It was incredible. I mean,
he he has an amazing record collectionthat he just like stacks on the
floor, just hundreds and hundreds ofvinyl that he just picks up at the
local you know vinyl, you knowold used to vinyl shop and buys whatever
he wants. He's got a lotof great stories. He's he's really I
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have found that when you meet acelebrity, the newer they are, like,
the more unknown they are. TheC or B list they're not.
Sometimes they're not as friendly as theA listers are, maybe because they're new
to it and so they maybe theirego is starting to get built up at
this moment versus like somebody like Eltonwho's lived you know, yeah, he
could be himself. This is me. Yeah, he's only going to meet
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the people that he wants to meetat this point. He doesn't. It's
not a job to him anymore likeit would be somebody who's like, I
really have to go meet another radioguy for the fiftieth time this week.
I don't want it. But Eltonpicks and chooses who's he's going to meet.
You know. I had the sameside on the athlete side, cause
ID covered sports earlier in the twothousands, and the bigger the athlete,
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the more cool I was with them. The ones that were just coming up,
the ones that were like, probablygonna get cut from the team within
like a month, we're not niceat all. So I had a lot
of those where I was like,man, I thought, meaning when I
met Kobe Bryant, when I metShaq, when I met Barkley, I
was like, I don't know whatthese guys are gonna be like and they
were the nicest in the world.But I met like Rodny Turryoff and he
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was like a jerk. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Yeah,
you're the jerk. You're the guythat's not very nice. Okay,
last thing, go out the Christmas. Do you have people that always come
up to you and say, whydo you guys playing the same this same
song? There's always Christmas snobs outthere and it drives me crazy. Everybody
will hear people say that everybody hasan opinion. Everybody. I mean,
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we know a that you pop onsocial media, somebody's gonna be saying something
mean about you. But everybody hasan opinion and they have a right to
their opinion. We the average radiolistener doesn't listen for five straight hours.
Yeah, and so the reason whyyou might hear the same song every few
hours is because we're you want tobe playing the biggest, most popular song
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at the moment that the audience tunesin. So if somebody tunes in,
you don't want to be playing,you know, scattering the best, the
best, most popular songs every oncein a while, in playing a bunch
of like unknown songs in between.People want to hear the best of the
best. I tell that to anytimesomeone's like but they'll they'll never say just
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you. It'll be every radio station. I always hear the same songs like
Ause, those are the hits.Yeah, I want to hear jingle bell
rock when I'm getting in the car. I look, I'm one of the
few people that likes just give youthe hits. I don't want to hear
the underground. I don't need deepcut Christmas. And the thing about radio
is that we're we're the listener's companion. You do it every day. You
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see how much traffic there is inChicago. Yes, people don't want to
just I mean, you'll get baredlistening to your music playlist over and over
again. You want somebody to bein the car with you, talking to
you. Maybe maybe whether it's talkradio or a podcast that you're listening to
on iHeart Radio or or US whichtalking between the songs. You want somebody
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to be there to to just putthrow throw things at you in your head
and h and make you make youthink about things, or just feel entertained.
Last moment before we actually ended theargument. When you're on a station
like this, because they're all hitsongs. You ever find it kind of
like, I don't even know whatI'm going to talk about it anymore,
because everybody knows the music. Everybodyknows where in Chicago everyone's driving home or
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either for you, everyone's driving home. You ever find yourself going, I
have no idea what I'm gonna say, because I've said the same thing sixty
five thousand different ways. Well again, luckily people don't listen for five straight
hours. And so, and themusic that I like to think of myself
is I'm just full of song facts. I mean, I've I've pretty much
learned to memorize every song fact thatcan tell you a song fact about any
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song we play. And I mean, don't put me on the spot becast
I will not know it now.But this is a argument on its own.
But so I I will reuse thesong facts because chance somebody hasn't heard
it. You know. That's fan. I can reuse it five times in
a year, and the random averageperson still wouldn't have heard it those whole
five times. I'm on for fourstraight hours. Nobody's listening to me for
four st eight hours except for mymom, you know, and she doesn't
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hear. She's over it too.Listen. What station are you on?
What people have? What are youon? Like, I'm just scattered.
I'm scattered, Yeah, Mike,I'm scattered. This morning, we're driving
by, driving my kids to school, and my daughter asked for music and
I put on the station and myson goes, are we let me guess
we're listening to ninety three point ninelight FM. Again, I'm like,
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I just got to make sure thatMayan air talent are doing what they're supposed
to do. Harrison, I justwant to know it's on the air.
Yeah, let's just hear sound andthen we can switch to something else.
Yeah. All right, So becauseof this and because of the station,
we'll do the bargument for you andyou and I've had this one. What
is the best generation of music?The seventies, eighties or the nineties?
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Who had the better generation of music? That's I mean, if I really
have to pick one, I wouldIt's so loaded, the questions loaded.
I get it. I feel likethe seventies the seventies is so iconic because
the music was you had to yourecorded the songs in like one tape,
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like you when you got into theeighties there were tracks right where you could
edit things down. I still thinkthe eighties is the best, best for
pop, best for pop music.The eighties is. But the seventies you
have so many iconic bands, andthat's for me, that's that's the real
music. When you look back andI stole think it's because of me,
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and I was an eighties baby,but I hate My actual form of years
were nineties, and I mean toI stolen nineties is for me, it's
the best one. Seventies were greatbecause that was like true rock and roll,
that was true an eighties got fun. It was more of the pop.
We're not going to hit the rockthat hard, but it was it
had it had a really big momentwhere those artists are iconic. If you
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were a giant star in the eighties, you are iconic in twenty twenty four.
But for me, nineties just thebirth of hip hop or actually the
real glamorization. If I was inthe eighty eight but the real doctor Dre
is stoop and all those guys arereally looking crazy Puff Daddy Yale, all
that stuff. Yeah, jay Zand Tupaca, and then you have Alt.
You have the whole alternative that grungeera, and even the pop music
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guys that or in the soft rockin the eighties. Phil Collins was going
crazy, Billy Joe was pumping outhits like for me, like anybody that
was big in the eighties kind oframped it up in the nineties. Yeah,
So for me, it was justJohn and the Lion King and he
was going crazy those kinds of things. Yeah, Aerosmith was taking on different
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forms of himself like he was.They were huge in the seventies, but
those nineties songs were you know,were anthems. So for me, I
will always go nineties in terms ofthat side of it. I think that's
more of a if you if yougo back and you and you look at
the and you really look at thesituation again, it comes back to that,
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like the comfort for you is themusic from your teen years, and
that's the same for me. Igrew up. I'm an eighties baby,
but I grew up in the ninetieswhen I became like a free thinking person
to choose the music I wanted tolisten to, And so the nineties music
definitely has a place in my heart. But if I'm gonna really analyze it,
it's the seventies and the seventies forrock, eighties for pop. But
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I look at it as also who'scoming to who's coming to the stadium tours
this year Green Day, like PearlJam, Billy Joel, Billy Joel,
what Billy Joe's got both, Soit's kind of he got it, He's
all for yes, And say withAlton John, he was seventies, eighties,
nineties, there's something guys. Yeah, but I think they really hit
some some spots there of the ninetiesthat for me is like, Okay,
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that's a bus through. I thinkyou got those other like weird bands like
County Crows and who do the Blowfishand Third Eye Blind and Oasis and just
all kinds of And there's like theRappers, the DMXZ. It's say Brittany
the whole, the whole boy band, I think was like it was like
eight of them at one time,whereas in the seventies actually they were better.
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The Douop groups are still my favorite. He go to do some temptations.
Technically the Beatles, are they aboy their boy band? Right?
Technically they're original? Are they thefirst ever boy band? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean they're not like like FactoryBoys boy band, they had a
little bit they wrote the songs.Yeah, I'm not gonna say the backstory.
Boys don't have talent, but theBeatles were a little bit more talented,
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a little as an understatement, anunderstatement, and one last one,
one last bargament before I get youout of here. Mother's Day just recently
passed? Who is the best TVmom of all time? So I have
two answers to that, because forme, I would say the best TV
mom who deserved to be a mom, I would say is probably Uh from
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that seventies show. She was welcomingto all the neighborhood kids who didn't respect
her house right. She dealt witha grumpy husband, but she still had
a smile on her face. Sheprobably she was drunk and probably had some
some medication going on, but sheshe was. She seemed like a good
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mom. I wouldn't have minded herbeing my mom my. I think my
favorite mom though, is uh isMoira from Shit's Creek Moira. That that's
another Dan Levy, I can't getmad another success. My favorite scene of
all time is the one where she'swith her son David and they're folding the
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cheese. I don't know if youremember that scene. It's just like two
to three minutes of pure comedy.You have to YouTube that scene of them
trying to learn that they don't knowhow to fold the cheese. They don't
know how because they were rich andso they didn't cook, and then they
were poor and they had to cook, and so folding the cheese it's just
pure comedic cold. I would sayif I were to have a TV mother,
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if I were to say I wantto live in a household where that
lady is actually my mom, Iwould go with Mother Brady. Of course.
Yeah. She was so loose withall the rules and everything. Everything
got made better in the end.She never held a grudge. Yeah,
there was never an episode where she'slike, ah, last week you lied
to Joe Namath, you're grounded forfor months. Very patient for that that
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era and comedic Gara. I'm gonnagive it to Lois Griffin. I go
watch anybody who could put up withPeter Griffin of those Shenannies and that household
and that life and just still begood old Lois. I would give her
the nod. Moms are very patient. That's the thing I think you know,
like even even with that seventies showdealing with grumpy husband who never smiled
and uh and a bunch of kidswho were spoiled and is still had a
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smile. Is that the blueprint?The guy's always the idioted doing the most
outlandish, out Bundy kind of stuff, married with children, and the moms
are just they just catch it alland have a good little one liner.
But yet they keep everything all good. But that's that's kind of reality.
I mean, I'm a guy andI know that my household stays together because
of my wife try to help.But there's no question. My son looks
at me and just he's Homer Simpson. I am convinced he looks at me
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and just see he's a human cartoon. There's times you can look at his
eyes and I go, right now, everything I'm saying to him, he's
not taken serious, and he's justbeing entertained by me saying you need to
clean your room. No matter what, I'm always like respect, I smile
at him. I see my son, I'm like, I just want to
smile at you. Let's go,let's go playing football, Let's go tagle.
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I don't know, let's let's justgo watch TV. I just want
to hang out with him, soI know he looks at me and he's
like, that's Homer. Mom's gonnakill me. Ally's gonna kill me.
He's gonna laugh. Mick. Iappreciate you coming on the podcast. You've
been a guy I've wanted to geton. I really enjoyed. I like,
we're going with you, to behonest, every time I see you,
I love what you do with thatold talk. So I love when
you're on the show too, whenI every once in a while you pop
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up and I'm like, there heis. That's that great, that golden
voice. I want on more.I love Light offm because again I was
saying to you well before the showwhen during Christmas season, I was setting
up with Macy's card and within tenseconds the lady's like, weren't you on
light of talking about the Kennedy ExpresswayAnd she was at seven usually like do
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you do weather? When she wastraving, she says, I listened to
light Of FM and you were on. I remember you, Dan Levy,
and I'm like, oh my god, and now you know my Solis security
number. Great, And they probablyblame you for the traffic too, like,
what are you doing about this?Yes? Yes, yes, why
did you? And then why did'tyou talk about my street? My street
was so Busy's that a new separatestreets? I can't help that. I
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just do the big stuff big.I appreciate you coming on. This has
been another episode of arguments once again. For those of you that are here,
make sure to share with your friends. If you have a b argument
you want to throw my way,please do so. We have a face
Facebook group called Bargaments. We doall kinds of arguing on that one,
all fun and safe and every nowand then somebody will go ahead and send
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me a DM and give me agood uh good idea. Once again for
mcleigh, my name is Dan Levy. You listen to arguments, will do
it again soon. H m hmhm