EP69 - SPOOKY

Prepare to be chilled as Baguments takes a supernatural turn with ghost hunter Todd Michaels and psychic medium Motherella! From intense spiritual experiences and reconnecting with past relatives to chilling encounters with infamous serial killers, this episode dives deep into the paranormal. Todd and Motherella share their eerie insights before going head-to-head in classic Baguments style, debating the greatest horror movie ever made.

Plus, brace yourself for the ultimate horror showdown as they pit the most terrifying villains against each other in a legendary battle royal. Who will be crowned the scariest of them all?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Arguments is recorded in front of a live studio audience.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's up, everybody? Welcome in, fellow Marginers to another thrilling,
spooky edition of Pargaments. I'm your host, Dan Levy. We
have two very special and spooky guests with us for
this special episode. First and foremost, we have a ghost hunter,
also a host of his own spooky podcast called The

(00:25):
Sandy and Toodcast, Todd Michaels. And also we have a medium.
I can't believe we got one of these, a sagging
to come on too bad. You can't foresee how bad
of a show this one's gonna be. We got mother
Ella a saging, a medium, the host of many of shows,
a Dondor philosophy, natural health and author podcast host. Thank

(00:46):
you both for joining me on this special podcast. How
are both of you?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're great, I'm great. I can't speak for.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ton well exactly. And the thing is, maybe she did
know it was going to be this bad, just didn't
say anything.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
You can't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You can't not continue to watch a train wreck, even
though you probably shouldn't be on it now. Both of
these two have very special places in my heart because
Todd was once my boss and in another way, and
I love him being on here. And he's also the
voice of the podcast whatever I do my commercials for it,
so Todd. When I don't want to voice my own stuff,

(01:23):
I called Todd vice person.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
By the way, if I need something, Damns the guy
I call so.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
And Motherrella is the one where I have a lot
of issues of life and I need a path I
will go. I'm not sure if I believe in this stuff,
but you say it so nicely, and I'm like, I
trust her. I believe her. I believe her.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Thanks. Thanks Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, we'll start off first and I'll go get to
Michelle here in a second. Todd, you seem like a
normal guy like I am. What makes a person like
you go? I'm going to start looking for ghosts. I
want to start hunting and finding out what makes you
go into that side of the uh of life?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
If you will, well for me, it was the first
thing was like a nineteen seventy eight film called The
Amityville Horror that was, you know, supposedly be the first
true story of a ghost hunt. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Thing boy, when they say that's a gayway, there's no
pun intended.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Absolutely, and for me, I was you know, I was
like eight years old when that thing came out, and
I love to be scared when I was younger, all
that kind of stuff. So I'm like, oh my god,
finally somebody saying this stuff is true. Well fast forward
many years and many scary movies later, I started seeing
literally the TV show ghost Hunters on I believe it

(02:35):
was sci fi at the time, and I couldn't believe
that people would actually go out and investigate, and then
to see some of the things they actually caught kind
of blew my mind. So I was like, you know,
this is something I've always been kind of interested in,
and so I don't know, ten fifteen years ago, I
started doing it myself and over that time my thought
processes and my beliefs have changed a little bit, which

(02:58):
I think is good, but it's still something that is
very interesting to me and then I like to learn
more about.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
My wife is very much into this stuff. She has
her own podcast called On a Quest, and right now
it's been kind of on a pause because she's been
doing other projects as well. Motherrello has been a guest
on that as well, and before it even started, like you.
I was never really into the ghost stuff. And then
my wife started making me watch some of those shows
on TV and and she would always like I would

(03:27):
get into it, but it would spook me out and
she's like, what do you think. I'm like, I don't
know if I like this, and she's like, I'm going
to dive deeper. And she got and now before you
knew it, my entire DVR I had one little part
that was like bulls basketball and the rest was like
every kind of ghost hunting, every kind of travel channel.
And she was getting into it, and she's seen some things.

(03:49):
There's been a couple of questions that we've had, like
when my wife and I first started dating each other,
my dad had just passed away, and there was a
couple of times when we had talked about them, and
also and there was very loud noise in the room
and there was something that you always go, that's your dad,
And I'm always like, I don't know, I don't know.
I'm not one of those people that doesn't believe. I'm
not one of those people that all in believes what.

(04:11):
Definitely have heard and seen some things with her. She's
seen her own things and been involved in other cases
of her own. But I've always been kind of like,
I'm not sure. I'm not really sure.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I think it's really it's really important to be a skeptic, right,
And not every curtain that blows in the wind is
a ghost, not every bang is a ghost, right. I
mean you have to take a step back and go
what else could this be? Because nine times out of
ten it's going to be that other thing. But I
think what happens is when you start having experiences yourself,

(04:42):
and you not only experience it personally, but maybe you've
got some recordings of it, maybe you've got some other
equipment that you've been using in the investigation, and it
all ties together. Then you got to start thinking to yourself,
how could this possibly happen? And I think in my
time in investigating, I've had so many of those aha
moments that seemed really simple, but they were mind blowing

(05:04):
to me because I never thought I would experience them.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Are you when you do go to hunt? Are you
do you actually want to see something or are you
trying to dispel things?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, the first thing I want to do is figure
out if it is something else because a lot of times,
you know, for instance, we investigated a location that was
known to have burned down years before, and people kept saying, well,
we keep smelling the smoke, blah blah blah. Right, and
we investigated, and sure enough there were smoke, but some
of the windows were open, and there were people down

(05:33):
the street with campfires, right, And it's like, okay, come on, right,
So you do look for those other things. But every
once in a while, the first time you hear a
conversation right in front of your face and there's nobody
standing there, but you distinctly hear two voices, and then
you catch it on tape as well, how do you
how do you come up with some sort of weird

(05:55):
explanation for that. I wasn't having an aneurysm or a stroke.
Something actually did happen. What exactly it was, I don't know,
but it was definitely paranormal.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
And the one thing I always did like about those shows,
and it appealed to the radio audio person in me,
is that every time they picked something up, they would
show like an Adobe audition or some sort of thing
where I can see like wavelengths, and they're like, we
use this sophisticated machinery to figure out what they're saying,
and I'm like, I know that, and I can probably
take out some of that fuzz. We can figure it out,

(06:24):
but you won't let me put my hands on it
right right that.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And also because I'm in the audio world, like when
I when you do get that audio, it does make
you think, because we're from the school of it's talk
it into the microphone and it comes out the other end.
So if there's something there that you didn't hear the
first time around, you've got to question what that could
possibly be.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
All right, all right, mother Ella, let's dig into you.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's just to piggyback on Todd. I've been able to
see in here the afterlife since I was six. Tell me,
do you know that about me? Wait?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Wait, wait wait, tell them tell me about that because
there are a lot of things where young young kids.
I think I'm starting to feel that most young kids
can see things until they get to a certain age
where they kind of don't have that anymore. But it
feels like there was a time when my son would
start smiling and waving at a corner of a room,
one corner of a room when he was like an infant,

(07:21):
And I remember her going like, maybe that's your grandma,
maybe that's my dad, maybe that's somebody waving at him.
But then at this one apartment that we lived in
when we had him, like Todd said, you would go
to a corner. It was between one of his bedroom
and his bathroom, and you could smell cigarette smoke and
there was a no smoking apartment. You know, I certainly
don't have any cigarette smoke because of all this. We

(07:42):
don't smoke in all the equipment, and we had a
at the time, an infant, but you could definitely smell
tobacco smoke. So those were a couple of times. But
if you're six years old, at what point, what were
you seeing? Tell me what happened. We were like, ah,
I know exactly what this is.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
So I shared this story for years. I mean I've
been doing this work for two decades professionally. So the
first encounter was my sister. In fact, I the first
time I was a guest on your wife's show, on
Jill's show, on a quest. She was intrigued by the
fact that I met my sister. My family had told

(08:19):
me I had one whoa because she had passed, and
she came to me in my room. So in the
Motherrella Memoirs podcast show, and just recently I'm revitalizing it
because I've sort of moved out of the world of
me as a paranormal translator. Because back in the day

(08:42):
when I first met your wife, I was getting called
on multiple shows, and I had my own documentary going
because as Todd would say, he uses the equipment and
things like that. Well, when I was called on certain things,
I would see here and say before the equipment did wo.
So people were intrigued by I mean, I'm sure the

(09:06):
videos are out there somewhere still that I would hear,
see a name in action something, and then the equipment
would then validate what I already said or did. So
that became like a thing back in the day, and
we talked about it on Your Wife's show. So to
go backwards to come forward, I had met my sister

(09:30):
who told me her name was Lisa. She came to
me in her sleep, she told me how she died.
She showed me the event that took place, and I
was only six. The reason why I knew my vocabulary
was so advanced is because I was an avid reader
of books. Back then. I was very intrigued by spelling

(09:52):
bee contests and things like that. So I was able
to communicate to my mom and my grandmother, who are both,
by the way, Italian Catholics. So the funny part of
the show was they literally dragged me to church and
I was being doused and I had to go see
the priest and it was just it was crazy town.
So that's really my first encounter. And from that time on,

(10:15):
I mean I hear and see as clear as day.
I mean, they do sometimes come an apparition form, but
that part of my gift has never left me ever.
I mean I can sit right here and see and hear.
It's just part of my life. And so back in
the day, you know, people were calling me like the

(10:37):
paranormal translator, and you know, I didn't have to do
the I was involved in the ghost hunting community as
guests on shows and things, which we had so much
fun doing. And I did some live work where we
went to the cemetery and I was being recorded talking
and then the machines would validate what I just said.

(11:03):
It was so it was so crazy, and I got
more excited for the hunters like Todd, and I was
so zealous for them because I'm like, this is yours.
This is your time to shine, showing that you have
these things, proving that your hunting work is validated and real,
you know. And they're like, oh, you're the medium, you know,
psychic man. I'm like, I don't want the credit. This

(11:25):
is this is showing you're bringing the afterlife to life,
bringing the afterlife to the human world. That's how it's
supposed to be. I'm not a mongst us all the time.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm not really sure how it works. But what if
it was something that you did not want, would you
just be cursed with it? Or would it if you
wanted to turn this off? Would it be something that
they just go, all right, we'll see you later, or
are they just like, we ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Human gifts are given to us from the divine. We're
all born as psychic mediums. All this spiritual crap that
people are like, I'm a medium and you got to
go to training and you gotta please please. This isn't
I this false light community. I've been in this wheelhouse
for three decades. Can't even deal with some of them.

(12:09):
We're all psychic mediums. We all have the divine gift,
you know, God didn't say, oh, well, I'm going to
pick and choose who can hear and see the afterlife.
It doesn't work like that. The reason why we lose
our gifts over time is because upon birth we're vesseled in, right,
the mother creates nurtures the soul, right, and then the

(12:33):
child's vesseled in. But right out the gate after birth,
it's already an indoctrinated, controlled way of living. So when
the gifts start to show as an infant, the first
thing a parent does is they get scared. They freak out,
oh my gosh, let's put holy water, or they're crazy.
They bring them to the doctor. Then they're put on meds.

(12:55):
Then so they I think, inadvertently lose their gifts.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
They channel it off, and they turned the channel off.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, so the so the I like to call it
the the divine line. I think that's a cute way
to call it. So that divine line of connection that's
always there just kind of shuts down. I would wouldn't
say it ever goes away for good. We as humans,

(13:26):
because we're so strong and tethered in our mindset, we
shut it down ourselves.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I agree with you. I agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know, you grow up and well, there there are
no such things as ghost you know, young Timmy, you
know all that kind of stuff. You're you basically believe
these people in your life, and so you do shut
it off. You do start thinking, well, it was just
my imagination. And I just want to say this, and
I don't Dan, I don't think I've ever said this
to you. But I am a very strong endpath and
so I I've kind of weaved in and out of

(14:00):
I don't having some abilities, uh huh, but I get
into life stops me from experiencing that stuff because I
get so hung up in the next commercial that needs
to be written and recorded, and you know, there's so
much stuff going in life that I literally push all
that away unknowingly, and so you know, I kind of

(14:21):
weave in and out of that.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I want to you mentioned it, mother, Ellie.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
You said that your parents kind of freaked out about this, because,
like you said, a lot of times parents will be like, oh, no,
you're not You're just imagining. Is this an imaginary friend.
It's not a family member, it's not an energy, a spirit,
it's something else. So it's interesting that they went to
that degree.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yes they did at first. Now the funny part about that, Todd,
and I'm glad you touched on that is I actually
evolved in my gifts from my grandfather who was born
in Italy. Huh so he took me to the cemetery often. Wow,
And I talk about this in one of the podcast shows.
I think with Jill, I was like my go to
on a lot. I would have been on her show

(15:03):
a lot, and I she was the first one I
was comfortable with sharing my story because her and I
hit it off. We were like back and forth by
me for a long time, right right, Dan, this.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Is what this is. You're you're She interviewed a lot
of people, and you're the only one that I think
I became friends with too. So yeah, she was. She
was like, oh, I just asked Welderella. It would just
be every time we had a question about something, what
should do? As Weerella, it was like, yeah, it was
the way to put it was the way navigated DJ.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
If you think about it, it was he was going
through a lot back then.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Because he was there were parts where he was seeing
things and he started freaking out a little bit, and
we kind of like, how do we how do we
treat this a little bit? How does when when a
young little boy, because he he does he's a very
sensitive kid. He senses a lot of things. He he
still thinks that he sees that he sees things. So
when I try, I TRYT does he mother?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Ella?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
What do you think? I?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Oh, I I know TJ Yeah, DJs And he's an
mp And to circle back to you about that mpath,
may I really quick say something anytime? You are very
gifted in your energy. So there's all different claires that we.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Claire Huxtable, I always don't catch out.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Sorry, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Sorry, no, I love it. I like to think of
myself as Rudy. Yeah, yeah, more cockroachs. But okay, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
But no, I think I think Todd for the audience
right now who's listening to him. I think you hit
something that really is going to spark Dan's audience that's listening,
and maybe even your own, because mpaths do shut it
down because they can feel it. And not only can
they feel it, you can sense energy at a very

(16:54):
strong level. But you made a great point. Life gets
in the way because it shuts on the energetic system.
You know because we are all one with the dying divine,
we're one energy system. Energy doesn't line, it never shuts down.
So life can get in the way as an adult
to actually hinder the gift from growing and evolving. So

(17:18):
I'm glad you brought that up, especially as the ghost hunter,
because I'm sure you go into one of your hunts
and you can sense it, right, it's not just about
the smell. I'm sure you can sense the presence, But
as the mpats sometimes I think it gets a little murky.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Let me let me ask you this, if if one
oneted too rechannel, or if one one that I kind
of you know, it's been years and years and somebody
I wanted to see if they could access any of
this kind of feeling on their own. Is there are
there steps to doing this? Is there a practice that
you need to do? Is there? How do you know
when you're when you're when that's coming on and when

(17:56):
it's coming off? How do you how do you operate
with that? If somebody were to say, you know what
I want to see if I can do that or not?
Are you asking me or Todd this one? This one's
a general question for everybody, but I'll leave it for
you to Yeah, whoever rings in first, you're the guests.
I'm the idiot trying to figure out what's happening.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Here as the mpath. Why don't you go first? And
I'll circle back.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
I think when I find that two things.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
First of all, even though I kind of shut it off,
I'm the person everybody comes to, right, I'm the person
everybody looks to for help. I'm the one that everybody
comes to for advice for their own like they suck energy.
For me, sometimes I feel like those energy vampires. Yes,
I get to the point where I'm literally physically sick
by it because on a personal level, I can't shut

(18:43):
that off, but I can shut off some of the
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, well not before I want you to keep that thought.
Let me just let me just say one thing about Todd.
Todd is probably one of the coolest people I've ever met.
I work in an industry where there's there's there's maybe,
there's maybe. I always say this is being in radio
and being what it is that he and I do.
I've been in it and for now twenty three years

(19:06):
of radio, and I get my hand right here, there's
only five digits on my hands as I recancye or not. See,
that's how many people I trust. That's not my wife.
My wife is a different one. That's not my wife,
who's also in the business. There's only five digits, and
Todd owns one of these. He's one of the people
that he's very organized, he's very good at his job.

(19:26):
He's very a student. He kind of he's a guy
who solves a lot of problems. He's the boss you
want in radio or just in general as he's a
very good person that would lead a team. So I
can see that overall in you, whether or not I've
worked with you or not, you just seem like you're
very calm presence. You're very all right. I understand. Let's
do this and I'll and you'll come back. It's whatever

(19:49):
I've taught to Todd. I'm like, I feel better, I
feel better.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, I appreciate that. That's very kind of you to say.
I think for me, like, if I want to quote
unquote turn that part it back on, it doesn't take much,
Like I literally just need to consciously kind of dive
into it.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I just need to kind of open that door again.
And I know that's kind of vague, but.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
It took me a long time of kind of struggling
in life trying to figure out why I was feeling
the things I was feeling, why I was all these
things were going on, and I just thought, while I
was depressed, while I had this going on, blah blah blah,
And then I realized, no, it's not that. And so
if I want to turn it back on, it's really
easy for me to do, but I do build up

(20:32):
walls to protect myself until I have the strength to
kind of move forward with that interesting bulderella.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
So I think to circle back to both of you,
I just want to point something out that might kind
of hit home for the audiences. If you remember Dan,
back in the day, I was very close to working
with detectives on I did a lot of psychic investigation

(21:00):
work sure back in the day, for murder cases and
kidnapping and things like that. So I worked with a
ton of families and detectives back and that was like
the height of my career as a psychic medium. And
even though I toured a lot in the Midwest area
with these shows, and a lot of families in the

(21:22):
audience would love that part of the show the private work,
behind the scenes of the day to day working with
some of the detectives and things like that is really
where it hit home for me about my abilities and
gifts more than anything else, because I never charged. I
did it out of the courtesy of my heart. So

(21:45):
to point that out as what Todd said about his gifts,
I have different gifts, right, DJ has his own gifts,
you have yours. We all have different levels. So when
you asked me about our their steps, I had to
bring up the psychic investigation work I did because for me,

(22:05):
they would come to me just based on the case
name I and it didn't always end pretty, and I
had a struggle with that for a long time. I
really had to work through detaching from the energy because
I would cry. In a lot of my cases. I
saw where they were buried, or I saw how they

(22:27):
were married, murdered, I saw them dying in the fire.
I saw them being connected, and that type of connection
is not something you can teach. So when you talk
about steps, here's what I would like to say to
the audience, and even for both of you, the activation

(22:50):
process comes from just the thought and feeling. There is
no you know, I get very friend. And this is
you know, I'm over fifty five, fifty five years young,
I've already lived half my life. I can say what
I'm about to say is I don't care great.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Every great conversation starts with those exact lines.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Seriously, I don't give a rats behind. Sorry, I don't
know if I could swear in your yeah, what people think.
And I am not into these psychic mediums who charge
thousands of dollars to teach people psychic mediumship. What we

(23:32):
all have the gift. All it is is a beacon
of light that you shine for the person on the
receiving end, right, And the activation comes from a thought
and a feeling, and then the connection comes from you
stepping out of your mind because it's so powerful and
going back to the divine that's in the heart. This

(23:54):
is where the afterlife is. It's in our heart. We're
already divine beings. You can't take so out of you.
It doesn't work. And you know, I'm a doctor or quantum,
so I teach energy work as a one system. It's
the divine, it's the spirit, it's the heart, it's us
as human beings, it's the cosmic realm. It's the afterlife.

(24:16):
It's multi dimensional and the soul's immortal, and that means
we're a collective consciousness, whether in this lifetime or after it.
The soul never dies. It's the consciousness that moves on
the vessel, goes in the human body. But once that
soul leaves the body, and which is just consciousness, it's

(24:38):
it's it remains. So when you ask me about are
there steps and whether you believe in listen, whether you
believe in the afterlife or not. No one's immune to
being a psychic medium. Nobody, it doesn't. You don't get
a pass. There is no god pass here. You are

(24:58):
the divine You're b born into the divine being. So
the only way to activate it, whether you believe in
it or not, is to step into the energy of it.
Interesting simple, It's very very simple. It's not hard to.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Do, Todd. I'm going to give you this question because
there's a lot that's going to come with it. If
it goes mother Ello's way, and it will, it will swing,
it will know everything swings back in her lab for
me to like drop my job, but for you when
ghost hunting, yep, what would you say is probably the
coolest experience you've had, and is there been one where
you're like, that was a little spooky. I don't want

(25:33):
to do that one again.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
So I will start by prefacing it with when I started.
I wanted to do what most people want when they
ghost hunt, and that is to get scared, like I
want to see a ghost. I want to experience this.
I want this to happen. But over time, as I've
had experiences and I've gone through life and I've lost
a mother and I've lost a father and all that
kind of stuff, it changes your perspective on everything. And

(26:00):
one of the scariest things that ever happened to me
is I did an investigation on Washington Island in Wisconsin,
which is right off Door County.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's at the very tip of the Thumb of Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
And again, this is really before I knew that I
was I saw you. This is this is about the
time I realized there was an EmPATH. I didn't know
before that, but something followed me back, an energy there
came back with me, and I remember sitting on the island,

(26:34):
which is basically rock granite rock, and it's surrounded by water.
It's surrounded by the Great Lakes, so there's all this
energy there. It's energy that's being held there. There's a
very long history of fighting between natives and the French
and all this kind of stuff for this island. And
I went there and I was suicidal on this island.

(26:57):
Like I was sitting there on this beautiful beach, going, oh,
I could love living here, but I think I would
end up killing myself.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I had that, and.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I left that island and the entire until I got
some help from some other energy people who could work
with my energy. Something followed me home and my entire
life changed for about I would say two months, because
I didn't know what the hell was going on, but
it literally Dan was like me, it's like when you

(27:29):
see people that take photographs and they block out all
the color except maybe a blue color, so it's black
and white except for that blue or that red right right.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
That's what my life was like.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Like.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I was like I was looking through a filter at life.
And then I realized that this had happened. And I
did get some energy help and stuff like that, which
did clear that. But I that was the scariest thing
that happened. And the ironic thing is I didn't say
a word of it to my investigation team because I
didn't want them to think I was nuts and about.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, first of all, hold on, if they're on a
ghost hunting investigation team, I think the word nut should
that word should just automatically be not addressed.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
But I didn't say anything because I was wordy what
they would think.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
And we got together about three months later for an
investigation and I finally said, hey, guys, I got to
tell you something, and I told him the story. And
every one of them had not the exact situation, but
every one of them had a very unique experience.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
One was having panic attacks after it. Another person was
actually having activity in their home. So I was not
the only one, but I was afraid to talk about it.
So that was probably the scariest thing and the most
wonderful thing. And I may even cry talking about this.
So Dan, you may change your mind about who I
am as a person.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
But the guy who just told me he's an EmPATH
and had things foll you hold right now, I'm changing
my opinion.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah. So there's a lighthouse in Door County in Wisconsin.
It's called Kena Island Lighthouse. I love life houses I'm
very drawn to them, probably because of what they meant
back in the day to ships and the families that
work so hard. There's just a lot of energy at
these things. And I went with a friend of mine

(29:14):
who was also an investigator, who was also I has
some psychic abilities. And I said to myself that day,
I think my mom's going to come through. I think
my mom is going to visit us.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
And we went to the island, and my.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Mom had never been there, but it's a very special
place to me, and I swear to God. We set
up some equipment, we rolled some tape, and I just
started having a conversation and my mom came through.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Now can I prove one hundred percent that it was
my mom?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I can't, but the way everything reacted in the audio
we got it was.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
And that experience changed the way I investigate for the
rest of my life. I will always go in into
an investigation with respect for the energy that's there, because
at one point they were a human. They were somebody's mother,
they were somebody's sister, they were somebody's father, right, And
I walked away going if my mom and dad for
some reason some of their energy is left behind at

(30:17):
our home that I grew up in, and somebody just
happens to investigate. I want them to be respected for
who they were, so completely blew me away. I was
the best experience I've ever had in my life.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I think with anybody when it comes to past loved ones.
And Jill would always have me watch like the was
it the line out of the Medium And actually met
her one time too at at a radio station and
TV station, but we would watch a lot of these
and she would, you know, tear up, and I would
start tearing up, and you're like, I had lost people
in my life. Other people have a lot of it.

(30:50):
For me, as somebody who's not a skeptic but not
a believer either, kind of in the middle ground, You're
always like it's almost too good to be true, and
there's a lot of trauma that happens these pople that
are psychics and mediums that say they are, and they
go on these TV shows and I watch YouTube video
clips of these encounters, and it always seems like they're
saying things that are too good to be true. They're

(31:10):
saying all the right things, and it's like there's some
general things that are said now every now and then
they'll they'll say, hey, you brought a pen with you,
and we know it to be true because you got
that and you're tripped to Vermont when you tripped on
a snail and blah blah blah. I'm like, I don't
know how they do that one, But.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
How do you trip on a snail? Did you say snail?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Why not? Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Whatever the reverence I did say snails nail?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Was that rocky for? It's like nail nail? I've never
read those things before, but uh, it's kind of like
it's all it all seems to be too good to
be true. But then when you explain it like that,
it seems like that. Now, mother Ellen, just by you
hearing that story, you could probably confirm whether or not
what that was.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
See. The thing with Todd and how beautiful he's doing
his work is he already has the belief system that
it exists, which allows more activity and more comfortability from
the afterlife to present because there is a barrier. And

(32:14):
you know what, Actually, this is a good time to
bring up. Can I pose a question to ton.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Meassa?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
So with how beautiful your experience was and I loved
how you said that you have a different respect now
for the afterlife and things like that. What's your opinion
or what's your take on some of the previous shows
you watch that kind of inspired you to do this
work where the hunters antagonize and disrupt and really go

(32:46):
in hard on the energies in their hunts. What's do
you have? What's your take on that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I can't say that in my early days I didn't
do some antagonizing, right, I did because I that's what
I was learning by watching these shows.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
It really makes me sad.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Because and the other thing that makes me sad in
that realm is these locations, you know, the asylum, the
whatever that they keep going back to. Can you imagine
when you pass away and part of your energy is
left behind in a location. Because my belief, and I
could be completely wrong, but I think when we die,
I call it energy splatter. Your energy can be anywhere

(33:28):
at any time, and it could be at five hundred
places at once.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
That's my belief. We just boom. If my mom wants
to be at.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
The lighthouse and she wants to be where she was
as a child, and it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I also says a multi dimensional being. So I'm glad
you brought that up.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, So I just it makes me sad in that.
And I'm trying to remember my thought process on this,
but I think I missed what I was going to say.
But I really feel like, Oh, these places that are
continuously investigated, how would you like your energy to be

(34:07):
constantly move something for us? Turn on this splashlight, do
this for me, blah blah. I mean, at some point
that's got to get really freaking tiring too. So I
shy away from the places that everybody investigates, and I
really look for places that are kind of quiet, and

(34:28):
people want to have general knowledge about their family, about
their their home, things of that nature. So I really
try and make it more of a personal experience for
myself and the people that I work with.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Let me ask you guys this question, since you too
are both going to be a lot more like minded
that I thought it was going to be. That's kind
of fascinating by me. It's a really good guests. It
just means I am really good at booking shows that
I don't even know I could.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Do this really good. Dan, I always told you.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
That I appreciate that. So the question I have to
you is this, there's a lot of TV shows and
movies that portray what afterlife is and this kind of stuff.
Is there a movie that's the closest to what it
is that you guys are feel like? The movie ghost
Is is d pretty close where they're kind of roaming
around and if they put enough energy and they can
move stop signs and knock people out. Is there a

(35:18):
TV show or a movie that's like that's probably the
closest to nailing what it is that's really happening with
what's going on? Or is there nobody that really has
nailed it yet? If that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I think the introduction of ghosts, you know, I see
movies as things they want us to know. The media's
entertainment movies are kind of like telling us what's happening.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well, the Sixth Sense, you know, like you know, like
something like that where they're like, hey, this, you know,
people really are robing in it out like this.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
And I believe that the Sixth Sense and Ghosts were
good introductions. Uh, has anyone actually nailed it? I don't
me personally on a professional level, because it's so highly individualized,
and we have a world that justice had buried in

(36:13):
the sand. The divine, the thumb print of the divine
is everywhere in our world, and science is only mirror.
And I can say this because I have the degrees
and titles behind it. Science is only inquiry and discovery.
There is no truth. There is no truth. But even

(36:34):
after somebody like Todd, who's so good at what he
does and professional, as well as many other ghost hunters,
the people still don't believe. It's like, what else do
you need? The science is in the apparatus they're using.
The only truth is in the divine period. That is
why I've done readings across the globe, hundreds of thousands

(36:58):
of readings over the last twenty years of my career.
That's the proof is the person on the receiving and
not me. I'm just the messenger. I'm just the psychic medium.
The proof is in the response of the person on
the receiving and period the period interesting, so does anyone

(37:21):
nail it? No, because it has to come from the
truth within. Todd's connected and his mother came through because
we're not immune, like I said to the afterlife. But
once he stepped into the vibration, because remember when you're
ghost hunting, it's all energy, vibration and frequency, and the

(37:45):
consciousness is what's speaking through different levels of the veil.
I call it to even get to the apparatus, that
in itself should be enough proof because it's not like
it's a quick fast thing our thought right in our connection.
But do you know what it takes or the afterlife

(38:05):
to move energy as an object or talk in an electronic.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, if Patrick Sway, if Patrick Sway's you can prove it?
And the movie Ghost it feels like a lot that
dude was trying to kick a can in the garbage Canada. Anyway, Yes,
the New York City subway, let's go, let's let's die.
Have a little more into a funner path of this,
just because I'm freaked out a little bit. What if
are you you're a psychic medium? The psychic part is

(38:33):
the part I think a lot of people always have
the questions of, you know, how come a psychic can't
predict the lottery? Can you predict who's gonna win the
World series, who's gonna win elections, who's going to win
you know? All that kind of stuff? Is that with it?
As well. Is that the same energy or is that
something completely different.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Completely different? Gotcha, because we are in a matrix, So
a lot of what we watch is a movie, so
a lot of that is uh manifested on manipulation, where
when you're doing a psychic reading. When I do a
psychic reading, I am connecting solely with the individual. That
is their manifestation, that is their timeline, their soul path,

(39:14):
their sole connection. I read soul cycles, meaning whatever they're
here to do is what I'm reading, So their timelines.
The only reason why the timeline changes for them is
because they chose to ignore it. We make our own reality,
and so when I do my psychic work, I can
get down which you know from me being on your

(39:34):
Wife's show. It's been very accurate, right the dates, the timing,
because I'm reading the energy of the timeline of how
it is in that current timeline. But the reason why
all that other stuff changes because people don't really know
or understand that we live in a matrix, and so

(39:56):
that is manipulated timelines. So the accuracy comes from an
individual who's a psychic medium, who's reading on a soul
level that's tapping into the accoustics of that soul and
reading the energy within just the soul. Now, I'm not
saying that the world won't shift the vibration, but it's

(40:20):
how that individual's consciousness and the level of consciousness of
the individual I'm reading for that's going to make that
prediction come true, because they will change their own outcome instantly, instantly.
There is no denying it, there is no waiting. If
they leave the read, then they say, if this girl,

(40:40):
she's out of her mind, I don't believe it. I'm
not doing that. They already programmed the entire outcome of
the read in the negative, in the third dimensional timeline,
which means they are not in their higher self. They're
not in their higher timeline of it coming true.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It is funny because every time I have taught to
you on the phone and I'll be like, all right,
you getting what are you reading on me? Here's some
things I'm I'm trying to figure out my life, and
you'll give me something out and job be like what
she say, I'm like, it all sounds really good. I
hope it all works out because otherwise I'm the most
famous person in the world, and that's.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
What I want.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yep, yep. But you just gave your power away because
you said I hope work out. So what you did
is you went to some bearded god in the sky,
some outside energy that's going to make it happen for you.
Instead of saying, I'm going to take the read, I'm
going to get this energy, I'm gonna I'm going to
step into the vibration of it. I'm gonna take action.

(41:34):
I'm gonna make it happen, and I'm going to go
at this hard.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
But I do it anyway. I do it like you
tell me. I'll say, I hope. I'm just gonna keep
following that path.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
So I'm hoping following the path, right.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I hope I'll wish it away by saying I'm just
saying I hope that it. You know what she says
is going because I'm gonna keep on.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Hope is a program. It's spell.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So just say I'm going. So I'm going. What is
a response?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Then?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I am period?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I am. I am a radio show host with my
own show. I am a multi millionaire. I am I am?
I am? Why Because energy doesn't lie. It's constant change,
but it does not lie.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You You can't lie. Have you ever been in contact
with a celebrity spirit?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Please? Do you remember Ghost Inspector Greg who was on
my show when I had my show back in the day.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I do.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Do you remember that's all he did? Do you remember
all the back and forth on the show thing his thing,
and we were picking up the celebrities on there. That
was fun back in the day.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But does that happen to you if you're going all
of a sudden like, hey, look at that. That's uh, hey,
that's JFK, that's uh Jimmy Eddricks, that's Is there any
particular celebrity that you remember picking up that you can mention? Yes?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Me, Oh, I've I've channeled Tesla, I've channeled uhl and Wants,
I've channeled you know, Wayne Dyer, Louise Hey, all all
the humans, celebrities. I'm just gonna be real honest. I
can say this on your show. Most of them are clones.

(43:15):
I don't trust celebrities. I just don't.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
I'm in a whole different mindset with that. I don't
believe celebrities are even sometimes what they are. So I
choose not to connect with celebrities unless I'm asked to
on a podcast show or something like that, but gotcha.

(43:39):
I you know, we're watching a lot of masks and
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So well, this is bargament. So we don't have any
time for you to contact anybody.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
All of a sudden, celebrities all of a sudden to
me a human, I'll do.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That unless somebody wants to just slot in here and
be like, hey, I know you. That's fine. Not that's quite.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Can I ask mother elo a question?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
So my mom came through to me pretty easily, and
you know, I had some experiences when she died. She
actually came to me before she had passed, and I
got some experiences there. Same with my father before he
passed a few things came to me and I experienced
some things. But he has not been as prevalent in
my life as my mom. And it's not like I

(44:23):
communicate with her every day. It really is here there whatever.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
My father.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Died after her, about four years five years after her,
and just there hasn't been a connection there. And I've
heard stories about people who have dementia when they pass
away that that changes how they finally respond after they
lose their body and their energy is released that it's

(44:55):
harder for them to get back to reality because of
the dementia. Now, I don't know what to believe there,
but can you figure out maybe or do you know
why maybe my father just hasn't been as prevalent in
communicating with me.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Olin. What's your dad's first name?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
If that's okay, Marvin.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So the quick answer to that is, first of all, dementia,
the human diagnosis, has nothing to do with spiritual connection
in the afterlife, Okay, So that is the first thing
I'm going to say. However, there is something within the
matrix that we operate in, which is the matrix is
controlled by pain and suffering and trauma. That is how

(45:32):
this world operates, and so it sometimes there is a veil,
and I don't want to get into this on the show,
but we do live in a therap dome. So because
of that, imagine how long it takes for certain energies
that are in different realms, realms, multiverses. We're multi dimensional.

(45:54):
We go off and do our thing. We're not in
one space. I think there's a misconception that everyone goes
to a place in the sky with clouds and vibrant flowers,
and just all these things well, the soul transitions to
multi dimensions. So for you, Marvin is clear on the

(46:16):
fact that Marvin had his own trauma. He didn't clear.
He came in with a very hard life, he didn't
have a great childhood, and there are issues within his
own vibration of his past lives and reincarnation that he
is currently as we're speaking, working through in the afterlife.

(46:37):
He's visiting multiple timelines. So the reason why your mom
comes through more is because there's a lot of healing
that you two have already done in your adult life
where you didn't get that opportunity with Marvin. So a
lot of this has to do with you maybe connecting
and clearing ancestral stuff with you and your father first.

(47:00):
So there is this open space of an invitation for
Marvin to connect more and you'll probably start seeing more
activity and things showing up on your devices following this
trauma healing event that takes place. Simple as I'm open

(47:20):
to this, you know, Dad, I want to say I'm
sorry for this part of my journey with you, and
if you feel like there's anything you want to heal
with me, please come through. This gives them that green
light to say I'm open at your will to communicate,
and chances are that'll change right away. It might take

(47:43):
a little bit of time, but it will change, and
that would mean be the best way. So it's about
the realms. It's about what they're doing, you know. I think,
like I said, there's this misconception we all go to
one space. We don't. We have multi versus. I mean
we quantum jump. We can go to utopia places, old places,

(48:05):
not to mention, most of us don't even know what
we did in past life. We could have been evil
than crappy things to humans. We have to clear that shit.
So I think that's what's going on. But Marvin does
tell me that he's very big on compasses and it
has a lot to do with sailing and compass and

(48:28):
h saluting. So I don't know if he was in
the navy or what, but he's on this journey of
I'm getting more like water compasses sailing voyage, and so
that voyage has I don't care what year he passed,
is his journey right now, so you know the connection

(48:49):
won't be there as much. And he does say the
name Alan, so I don't know who that is.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Okay, Well his brother's name is.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Alvin, so oh oh, thank you, okay.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
And I just want to say that I after I've
learned about myself, the first thing I thought to myself
was Dad was a lot like me, except that he
lived in a time that he couldn't understand what he
was seeing and experiencing. So and with dementia, I feel
like I'm going to follow his lead with that, just
knowing where I'm at in my life. And you know
that that passes on. So I think I'm going to

(49:21):
mirror a lot of him as I get older.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And Claire, a lot of that ahead helps are you
won't have to mention you then if you start.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Now that's interesting now the blueberries, they say, So that
should help you.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Now before we start barguing over the silliest and dubbest
topics and completely downgrading this podcast from what it just was.
I feel like I've been feeling a lot of my
grandma lately because I was at a funeral for someone's
grandma and I remember being at the office and me
and another guy were talking about her grandma's and I
was completely telling stories of my grandma that I had

(49:56):
not told before. And then when I went to a funeral,
I was like, I think for the first time, I'm
feeling that one. Is that something that I was feeling
or is that just being nostalgic?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
No, you were definitely feeling, you know. The afterlife's very playful.
And I'm sure Tak can validate this because he does
this for professional They're playful, they love connecting, interesting, they
love and they do it in the weirdest way. So
if you started doing that, she was probably nudging you,
like Ollo, you know, I'm here, can we can we

(50:28):
bring up? Can we talk about me? You know? Even
though they cast without an ego, but they're very playful.
They love connecting with us, they really do. So I
do not believe it's your mind. It's definitely got right
to mind connection to in the afterlife.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Absolutely, because we are doing this on Halloween, and I'm
gonna love this episode. Go out here in just a
little while once we're done with this one, and I
know you guys got valuable time, and I got a
kid that wants to go trigger trading a little bit,
So let's let's go a little ridiculous here and let's
have a little best horror movie of all time is
what if I could say to you guys, this is

(51:06):
the top one does have to be. This could be
the scariest, could be the funniest, could be the silliest,
could be the most playful in your mind, What would
you guys say, is the greatest horror movie of all time? Annabelle, Annabelle,
that's a pretty good one. There was for me, the

(51:27):
one I loved the most and it's completely ridiculous. Well
be Friday the thirteenth, the second one where he was
going against the girl that had like the powers where
she was able to like shoot lightning bolts at him,
only because it was a classic Freddie movie or a
classic Chason movie. And just watching this girl do any
kind of sucking powers where she was doing some cool
stuff to him and racing him up and choking him,

(51:47):
I was like, not only is it scary, but it's
quite entertaining. And it's like, I wish I had those powers.
You guys are not about mpaths, Like I would love
to shoot lightning bolts out of me for no reason
at all. So it was like one of those Hey,
you know, let's if we're gonna have a power, I
want that one. Oh my gosh, talk, what is your

(52:07):
quote essential? What is this? What is the greatest scary
movie of all time?

Speaker 4 (52:11):
So it's the one that I really get scared at.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
And it's Salem's Lot from Stephen King, cheesy movie that
was on the TV and David Soul was in it
from Starsky and hod Shinny Gets Song in the seventies.
That was absolutely horrendous. But what scares me about it
is I tend to believe that there could be these
these monsters out there now, whether they're real monsters or

(52:35):
it's it's something else. It scares the hell out of
me to think that there's things out there we as
human beings just don't understand. So that one just freaks
me the hell out.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
All right, I appreciates it.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Have you ever encountered an evil energy?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Now, I will say this, not not demonic, okay, but
an energy. You know how there's there's good people and
then there's really rotten a holes. Right, Yes, I have
encountered the really, really really rotten a holes. I have
not had demonic energy, but part of that is because
I kind of protect myself from that and have want

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nothing to.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Do with it.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
How about a serial killer.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Ed Gean. So a couple of years ago, I live
in Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
He was from Plainfield, went there with my psychic friend,
had some experiences at his gravesite, and then she went
walking around his old homestead where they toured. Yeah, but
which is a really interesting story about that. So we
go and we do this and we have a really
great day, and then about three weeks later, we both

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have this dream about flying through the sky and coming
down on this cemetery in the same area, not that cemetery,
but a hidden cemetery that does exist, and we both
had the same dream almost like you know what, He's
really not buried there, He's actually buried here. And so
we were kind of being shown that. Again, it could
have just been a dream. I could have had too

(54:05):
many spotted cow beers before bad or something like that.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
But I really felt like that there was something there.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
WHOA what about you, Motherrella, Have you ever come in
Connor with a serial killer or anything of that nature.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
So when I had my office back in the day
because I haven't handed in yours, a woman walked in
for reading and all I saw around her was dead babies.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oh my godpped.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Up, chopped up, chopped up, chopped up, and.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
So you toll her she was the one.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well, I didn't read for her. I turned her away,
but she walked up to the door and she was
getting ready to come in, and I said, uh, before
you walk in the door, I will not read for
you unless you tell me the truth. Why do I
see chopped up dead children around you? And she started
crying and she goes, I can't believe you just said
that to me. I said, you were ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

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and there's a lot of raping going on. And she
baled and she said, I understand your take on this,
but I was coming to you because I escaped my
family's cult and that changed it for me. So she
didn't know what she was doing back in the day.

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She didn't know she was raised in a cult environment
with blood sacrifice. So I did not read her, but
the energy around her and how she was raised in
her parents, I could not and would not read. However,
she escaped and she had to change her identity and

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I ended up reading her about a year later. But
I told her, you need to work through this before
I sent into a reading with you, and she did,
and she changed her name. She escaped. She was then
placed in protection and she ended up getting married, having

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a family. That was the most physical evil I had
connected with real quick.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
What would make her want to come to you? Because
she's got all.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
The consciousness of, you know, a guilt, and she knew
she had to she had to save her family, you know,
her siblings there. There was like eleven of them or something.
It was a large number. And I think it caught

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up with her in her life because she was on
the run for so long and she wanted to clear it.
She wanted to And I'm not I'm not a priest,
I'm not a therapist like, but from an energy level,
I think she wanted to know she was forgiven and
that's not my that's not my place. So later we

(57:08):
ended up talking and I ended up reading for her
on her life path, and I said, if that's okay,
I would like to leave your past at the door,
and let's talk about where you are in the present,
and let's read the psychic side of where you're headed
now in the future.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
And I did read her like maybe one or two
more times, and then I never saw her again. I
don't know where I know she was in witness protection,
and that's probably why back in the day. So I meant,
I'm talking a long time ago. And I will never
give her name. I will never say who it is.

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I have a spiritual nda on that and I just
can speak on the experience. But I would never ever
share details of her, the story, her family, the call,
what location. I will say it was not in the
United States. Well, she was here, but it wasn't in
the United States.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Interesting, all right, last ridiculous argument to wrap this one up,
because that's what I do here, a little, a little
off on my own, little nuts on my own, all right.
If there was an ultimate battle royale with all the
horror movie villains that are out there, who is winning
a giant massive brawl. If you were to take all

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the horror movie characters and throw them in one giant funtering,
you got Jason got, Freddy Krueger, got Norman Bates, got
leather Face, Penny Wise, we got Ann Wilkes from Misery, Pinhead,
ghost Face. I know it's a ridiculous podcast, tod, what
are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Well? I hate clowns.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
So you mentioned it, oh, penny Wise, even if it
wasn't it, if it wasn't. Yeah, if it wasn't penny Wise,
it was just a general clown on the street who
is trying to make children laugh. That's still evil to me,
So that I will always go with Penny Wise on that.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Mother Ella. If you were to choose a horror movie
character that is coming out victorious who was raising their
dead hand in the air at victory, you.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Know, I gotta laugh. It's I'm old school Michael Myers. Yes,
I'm going Michael, Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I will, I will. Uh. There's mine has a two
parts to it. I would say the ultimate one out
of all it would be Jason. That dude was I
don't know what. I don't know what that was. At
least Michael Myers still seemed to live and you can
kill him, but Michael, but good old Jason would just
come in and out of a lake and just start wreaking,
having and beating up on all the naked couples that

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are having sex, and all of a sudden just disappearing
and then somehow wandering the streets of New York for
no reason at all. Yeah, but I would say that
after all of them go to sleep at night. Freddy
Krueger is hilariously taking the victory. So I will say true,
I will say the actual one up the pay per view.
I'm saying Jason Fories takes this one for the w

(01:00:00):
I would say, Freddy Krueger's got the last laugh. That's awesome,
Motherrella Todd. I love you both, Thanks so much for
coming on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Thank you, thank you having me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Wetherrella, before we let you leave, any good energy, anything
you're feeling on me, anything good one good spirit I
could use before we tap out of this podcast. And
because I'm selfish and it's my podcast. But you didn't
see that, Kevin, you got.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Some interesting calls coming your way in the next three
weeks that will sort of catapult you between November twenty
fifth and December twelfth into the direction we spoke about
the other day. Love it because this is a new read.
I didn't pick that up that day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
This is new okay, because I am doing that whatever
it is, I'm doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Doing that that I am for Motherrella.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
If people want to subscribe, watch the show, YadA, YadA, YadA,
give your details out. If people want to go ahead
and contact you about anything that you want to offer,
please go tell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
So I've embodied myself as the author Motherrella Memoirs is
where I'm headed now, and it's all stories based on
different genres of true life events because I have to
hold the privacy of my all the years I've been
doing my work. But I have story after story after
story coming out and edenloadestone dot com is where it's

(01:01:28):
at right now. Where I'm doing. My partner and I
produce all of our own music, meditation music. I've written
two books already for the quantum healing, quantum Path, connecting
with your higher self, the mpath side. Like Todd and
I were talking about, this is more about getting on

(01:01:48):
your soul path and purpose, which is my passion, is
getting people to raise their vibration and getting out of
their head and living the vibe, you know, manifesting their
best life through quantument. So that's where it's at for
me right now. Thank you for letting me share that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Please do it and like I said, send me those notes.
If you guys, both of you want to pump things
out there, send me the emails and I will make
sure to put it in the notes of this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Todd, you know wherever you get your podcast, check out
the Sandy and podcast. We talk ghosts, we talk weird stuff,
we talk about weird people and have some fun with that.
And then if you want to see some episodes of
us actually ghost hunting in Wisconsin, you can check out
the docuseriies Haunted State on Amazon Prime. We had a

(01:02:32):
lot of fun doing it. And again we don't want
anybody to believe there's ghosts. We want you to make
up your own mind. We just put the information out
there and it's up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Sounds good to me. And once again, both of you
send those asap emails so I can put hyperlinks. Once again,
from Moderella and Tod Michaels. My name is Dan Levy.
You've been listening to a very spooky edition of Barguments.
We'll do it again soon we're back. I apologize for
the bit of a couple of weeks off I've been
taking out on their prime. But it looks like some
things are coming on the rise, so that's good for everybody.

(01:03:03):
Once again, don't forget to subscribe, don't forget to share
this with anybody, and everybody likes a good argument. I
don't know how Weird Todd's podcast can go, but I guarantee.
I'm the only one that's gonna ask him who would
win in a battle Royale fold them nut bags and
horror movies once again for Tom and Motherrella. My name
is Dan Levy. You've been listening to arguments. Don't forget

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to lock up on your way out. See you