March 5, 2024 • 17 mins
In 1979 Dan Lovallo interviewed legendary broadcaster Red Barber. Here is that interview.
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(00:00):
Welcome a Baseball Discourse with your host, Dan Lavallo. Okay, the interview
(00:20):
on my latest podcast. Red Barber, the late great Red Barber broadcast with
the Cincinnati Reds. That's where hegot his major league start. Then the
Brooklyn Dodgers and later the New YorkYankees broadcast the Reds games between nineteen thirty
four nineteen thirty eight, the Dodgersgames between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen fifty
three. Vin Scully broke in underthe late great Red Barber. Then he
(00:43):
broadcasts the Yankees games from nineteen fiftyfour to nineteen sixty six with the voice
of the Yankees, Mel Allen Well. I interviewed Red Barber back in the
late nineteen seventies. Just a littlebackground. I was just starting out in
broadcasting. Nervous as can be.Red Barber still was a name. In
fact, he would go into theBroadcaster's Wing of the Baseball Hall of Fame
(01:07):
along with Mel Allen. They werethe first inductees into the broadcasters wing of
the Hall of Fame. But Iwas nervous as can be getting the opportunity
to interview the old redhead, RedBaba, and I saved that interview from
the late nineteen seventies. I wasable to get the interview because at the
time the station for which I workedand Torrington was on the New York Yankees
(01:30):
Radio network, and by way ofthe Yankees, I was able to get
Red Barber's phone number, called himup. He answered the phone very politely.
He could be he could be moodyat times. When I caught him
in a good mood, the onlything he said was Ah, Lilah,
his wife was Lilah. Lila andI were about to sit down and have
(01:51):
lunch. But if you call meback in an hour, I'd be more
than happy to do the interview.So I said, I'll call you back.
Back back. No, I didn'tsay that, but I said,
Red, I will call you back, and I'd love to certainly follow up
and do this interview if you wantto do it. And he was gracious
enough called him back. I wasas nervous as can be, did the
(02:15):
interview, and here it is myinterview with the late broadcaster Red Barber.
I'm talking with Red Barber, longtimefamous baseball announcer who began his career with
the Cincinnati Reds later went on tothe Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Yankees.
He's a voice I'm sure familiar tomany of you people who listened to
(02:37):
the program here and Red Barber.First of all, my first question to
you would be, do you stillfollow Major League Baseball? I do dan
when the games are I'm part of, such as the playoffs right now and
the World Serige, which is comingup. I don't just sit around the
house and look at a ballgame anddiscriminately all summer. I've got other things
(03:00):
to do. I've had to rebuilda private life, and I'm no longer
the servant of a television monitor asI once was for so many years.
I'll tell you what, though,Red, I've read one of your books,
and when I watch a game ontelevision, thanks to you, I
keep scoring well. I would thinkanyone who really is devoted to baseball and
(03:23):
is interested and wants to know howthe game is really being played would want
to keep scoring. It's a verysimple procedure, but no one's memory is
good enough to keep remembering as theinnings go by whatever player did. If
you keep scoring, you have itright there in the class, Red Barber,
you broadcast the first Major League Baseballgame that was televised. When you
(03:46):
did that game in Ebittsfield that particularday, did you think the television media
would grow to the extent where itnow focuses so much on Major League Baseball?
Nobody did. I mean, it'sas kick too much human beings.
Every time you have a new attention, you have people who believe in it
and they see something for the future. But no one can foresee what a
(04:10):
great invention is going to be.Nobody saw the growth of the automobile when
they've begun to make it. Nobodysaw the ultimate growth of the airplane,
which is still growing. No,there was no question. We all of
us at Brooklyn that day, thewriters, Larry McPhail, who was running
the book and Dodgers, the peoplefrom the National Broadcasting Company. Of course,
(04:33):
they they were very high on TVbecause that was their experimental baby,
and nobody could pinpoint what it wasgoing to be. But everybody knew that
once you began coupling, even thoughit was very crude a picture with sound,
you knew that something was bound toemerge. Okay, once it emerged
(04:55):
into what turned out to be themost popular medium in the way of viewing
a sporting event. I know inyour book you mentioned you would much rather
do a game on radio than television. Why is that, well, Dan,
I think that you know, it'spretty obvious. A broadcaster who is
on radio is the entire show.As I believe I put it in the
(05:19):
book, he is the creative artistbecause the audience only knows aside from a
few extrageous sounds that come in throughthe microphone of the crowd and once in
a while of a bat hitting aball or something like that, the audience
can only picture the game through thewords of the broadcaster. The broadcaster is
(05:42):
sitting there, He looks where hewishes to look. He talks about what
he chooses to speak about. Hedescribed the game as he sees it and
as he thinks it should be described. Now on television, it's just the
reverse. Instead of being the supremeartist, you are the absolute servant.
You are the servant of the monitor, and the monitor reflects as many different
(06:09):
camera changes as there are. Youcan have a six camera change, you
can have eight. I think withsome of the big events today, the
World Series and Super Bowl, etcetera, they get twelve, thirteen,
fourteen camera change you get. Nowyou've got the cameras that are portable,
that are being carried all around inthe spands, and all of these camera
(06:30):
pictures are fed back into the controlroom and the director sitting there with the
switches, decides second by second.It's a very nerve wrecking procedure for the
director. I wouldn't want to beone. But he is the one who
says what goes up on that monitor. Now, the announcer sitting up in
the boot, he may be lookingat the game, but he must he
(06:54):
should the majority of the time synchronizewhat he is saying with what the audience
to see. Other words, theannouncers see is what the audience is and
the way of the picture. Sothat's what I mean that here you have
the reverse in television. Instead ofbeing a creative artist, you're sitting there
like a monkey on a string,and every time that picture changes, you've
(07:15):
got to change with it. Andradio, or if you wish to tell
a little story, a little venueteabout someone, or three or four sentences,
you can in television, you'd betternot take off like that because the
picture changes and you gotta stop.You can have your son just cut right
off in the middle of your mouth. Okay, Red Bober, I know
you've broadcast many World Series games sinceyou departed from the daily broadcast routine as
(07:39):
a play by play announcer, theplayoffs have come into being. In your
mind, Have the playoffs diminish theWorld Series or enhanced the World Series?
Oh, I don't think it hasmade any great dess Dan. What you're
not talking about is the fact thatsports has become one of the big businesses.
(08:00):
It's one of the big conglomerates onthe land and television with it's enormous
income. When it pays to baseball, when it pays to football, it
has made the difference. And thereason that the two reasons that we have
the playoffs is that because of theincrease in population and the Jedi plane,
(08:20):
and the fact that the club ownerswanted more money for themselves, Baseball expanded.
When I first started, it wassixteen teams on there twenty six,
so you had and they tried.I remember that when they had more than
eight teams in the league. Therewas no interest in the teams that are
(08:41):
done at the bottom for a coupleof years, so they had to divide
it to try and resurrects some additionalinterest, have four races instead two,
So that you have four races,you've got the subtler between the four,
which two teams are going to playin the World Series. But when I'm
leading up to saying, in allof this is grist for the mill for
(09:03):
the enormous income from television. Solook at all the money on the playoffs
that baseball is just getting. Andapparently the American public must wish to be
a very static community. We increasinglywant to just sit and look at at
(09:24):
television and vicariously have our athletics.We know a few men play the game
while millions of us sit and watch. This is the twentyth century version of
the days of the circus in Rome. And we have with all the money,
and the people upon me are quitecontent to sit and look at game
(09:46):
after game all night long. Andmyself, having been a professional broadcaster and
my view of sport is that ofa professional reporter, I'm not a fan.
I couldn't afford to be a fanand do the work that I did.
But sometimes I just wonder how peoplecan can continue to absolve and apparently
(10:09):
not good enough of football double headers. The playoff games of the World Series.
Now the money keeps coming in.It is kind of take a national
depression to change it. Okay,let's say a serious depression such as we
had when I got into radio innineteen thirty. Okay, Red Bober,
Let's examine the World Series, whichof course begins next week. Any memorable
(10:31):
World Series moments stick out in yourminds and games that you broadcast, well,
how much time do you have?Dan oh I did thirteen World Series
and then that is in this content. I did and worked on another ten
Farm Forces Radio. Three World seriesthat to me was the most exciting,
of course, was the World Seriesin nineteen forty seven, which was highlighted
(10:54):
my Lavage's base hit the two outin the night sitting that took away the
no hit game from Bill Bevitts.And then in that same World Series with
John Pridos catch Demaggio's good for homerun in the left side of field bullpen.
There have been other exciting World Series, but we are all of us
more interested in the World Series inwhich we were involved. Now, I
(11:16):
know that they say the World Seriesbetween the Red Sox and the Cincinnati Reds
was a very exciting one seven games. Yes, I saw it on the
colevision, but I wasn't involved init. I'm just trying to be as
fair with you and your audience asa candid Red Barber. We're one hundred
miles from Yankee Stadium, one hundredand twenty miles from Fenway Park, so
(11:37):
let me tell you, this isYankee Red Sox country, and when the
two teams meet, the interest runsvery high. You broadcast with the Yankees
many Yankee Red Sox encounters. Whatwere those games like? Well, those
were always very very interesting games,very very intense. You had a lot
(11:58):
of Red Sox fans. It alwayscame to the Yankee Stadium. And of
course I didn't go up to Bostontoo frequently with the Yankees. I didn't
travel with the Yankees for the lasttwo years I was there, because the
first eleven years I was there,Mel Allen and Jim Woods or Phil Resuto,
whoever was Melon's associate, they didthe road games because my basic assignment
(12:20):
at the stadium, if you recall, was doing fifteen minute before the game
and fifteen minutes after the game interviews. So I can't tell you too much
about what happened when the Yankees gotup in Boston. You have to ask
about Allen about that he was upthere. As far as excitement between two
teams go, I will say this, even at the risk of stirring up
(12:43):
negative reactions in your backyard of RedSox and Yankee fans. The greatest rivalry
that ever was, and it neverwill be again, was when the Giants
were in New York and the Dodgerswere in Brooklyn. Whenever they played.
That might as well have been aWorld Series. I'm glad you said that,
because, Uh it led up tomy next question, the fact that
(13:03):
when the Giants and Dodgers met,uh, the rivalry was was so intense.
There's a boller in test because youthat's the only time you had two
teams in the same town in thesame league. That's right. Well,
there's a book on the market nowentitled uh D New York Baseball that involves
the UH New York teams in thelate forties and the fifties. What was
(13:26):
Evatts Field like? Uh, Thefans were really on top of the action
though. Well it it was avery small ballpark and uh you you were
very close to the infield, veryclose to the players. Uh. You
could uh you could hear them talking, you could see the prespirations on their
faces. I mean you the fansa book then were were were as close
to being in the ball game andand still not being active participants as possible
(13:50):
dance red. If you had tolook back at the game and pick uh
one or two great players, uh, would anyone stand out in your mind?
Or any two? Well, I'veseen Uh. I've been very forstive
from nineteen thirty and in my activeyears. Uh. Uh there's nineteen thirty
four in the big leagues and throughnineteen sixty uh six, in which I
(14:11):
I was there day after day.I I saw some some wonderful players,
and I think you have to uhtake them in categories. Uh. I
would say Carl Hubbell was uh wwas a pitcher who impressed me very much.
Uh And uh as far as beingan all round ball player is concerned,
uh, I was very much impressedwith Willie May's. I don't know
anybody who was better on an allround basis doing everything that that uh A
(14:35):
a ball player was supposed to dobetter than May's, A man who might
have been the greatest ball player whoever lived, except he he was so
badly injured all the time. Sometimes, as Casey Steinger said, uh,
he played on one way and asCasey would also say, he's the best
one leg at outfielder I ever sawthat, Bob. One more question.
(14:56):
Ball players today make as much moneyas some players back in the forties and
fifties made in half for all oftheir careers. How has the high salary
affected a baseball player in your mind? And I haven't been around ball players
on a daily basis, a workingbasis since my last year up there had
sixty six And I don't think itwould be fair to you, to your
(15:18):
audience, to me to be guessingat something that I do not know.
Okay, Red Bible would like tothank you very much for taking the time
out and talking with me, andgood luck in your retirement. Well,
I'm not completely retired, Dan,I'm now seventy two, and I'm free
of Social Security and pension restrictions,and I'm taking assignments. In fact,
(15:43):
there's a commercial that REGI Jaction isgoing right now during the playoffs for Panasonic,
and if you're here, the lastfive words on't their mind. I
heard the commercial and I went downin o'calla last night, spoke at the
Quarterback Club, and in fact,I'm back in the business, but I
wouldn't want to do a regular seasonplay back play. I'm happy to hear
(16:06):
that Red Barber thanks a lot foryour time. Well therey have at.
Red Barber broadcast the Reds, theDodgers, the Yankees, and did many
World Series games and All Star gamesas well. Also did a lot of
football. He was the host ofthe College Football Roundup on CBS back in
the forties and fifties on radio whencollege football was huge on radio. And
(16:30):
by the way, he was thesports director of the CBS Radio network at
one time. And you know whenChris Berman, who became very famous for
a lot of catchphrases including back back, back, back, back, back
back, when he used and usesback back, back, back back,
well he's imitating Red Barber because itwas Barber who used back back, back,
back back on al John Frido's greatcatch of Joe DiMaggio on a drive
(16:53):
Demaggio hit in the nineteen forty sevenWorld Series. Then add the d G Dad
Welcome a Baseball Discourse with your host, Dan Lavallo. Okay, the interview
(00:20):
on my latest podcast. Red Barber, the late great Red Barber broadcast with
the Cincinnati Reds. That's where hegot his major league start. Then the
Brooklyn Dodgers and later the New YorkYankees broadcast the Reds games between nineteen thirty
four nineteen thirty eight, the Dodgersgames between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen fifty
three. Vin Scully broke in underthe late great Red Barber. Then he
(00:43):
broadcasts the Yankees games from nineteen fiftyfour to nineteen sixty six with the voice
of the Yankees, Mel Allen Well. I interviewed Red Barber back in the
late nineteen seventies. Just a littlebackground. I was just starting out in
broadcasting. Nervous as can be.Red Barber still was a name. In
fact, he would go into theBroadcaster's Wing of the Baseball Hall of Fame
(01:07):
along with Mel Allen. They werethe first inductees into the broadcasters wing of
the Hall of Fame. But Iwas nervous as can be getting the opportunity
to interview the old redhead, RedBaba, and I saved that interview from
the late nineteen seventies. I wasable to get the interview because at the
time the station for which I workedand Torrington was on the New York Yankees
(01:30):
Radio network, and by way ofthe Yankees, I was able to get
Red Barber's phone number, called himup. He answered the phone very politely.
He could be he could be moodyat times. When I caught him
in a good mood, the onlything he said was Ah, Lilah,
his wife was Lilah. Lila andI were about to sit down and have
(01:51):
lunch. But if you call meback in an hour, I'd be more
than happy to do the interview.So I said, I'll call you back.
Back back. No, I didn'tsay that, but I said,
Red, I will call you back, and I'd love to certainly follow up
and do this interview if you wantto do it. And he was gracious
enough called him back. I wasas nervous as can be, did the
(02:15):
interview, and here it is myinterview with the late broadcaster Red Barber.
I'm talking with Red Barber, longtimefamous baseball announcer who began his career with
the Cincinnati Reds later went on tothe Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Yankees.
He's a voice I'm sure familiar tomany of you people who listened to
(02:37):
the program here and Red Barber.First of all, my first question to
you would be, do you stillfollow Major League Baseball? I do dan
when the games are I'm part of, such as the playoffs right now and
the World Serige, which is comingup. I don't just sit around the
house and look at a ballgame anddiscriminately all summer. I've got other things
(03:00):
to do. I've had to rebuilda private life, and I'm no longer
the servant of a television monitor asI once was for so many years.
I'll tell you what, though,Red, I've read one of your books,
and when I watch a game ontelevision, thanks to you, I
keep scoring well. I would thinkanyone who really is devoted to baseball and
(03:23):
is interested and wants to know howthe game is really being played would want
to keep scoring. It's a verysimple procedure, but no one's memory is
good enough to keep remembering as theinnings go by whatever player did. If
you keep scoring, you have itright there in the class, Red Barber,
you broadcast the first Major League Baseballgame that was televised. When you
(03:46):
did that game in Ebittsfield that particularday, did you think the television media
would grow to the extent where itnow focuses so much on Major League Baseball?
Nobody did. I mean, it'sas kick too much human beings.
Every time you have a new attention, you have people who believe in it
and they see something for the future. But no one can foresee what a
(04:10):
great invention is going to be.Nobody saw the growth of the automobile when
they've begun to make it. Nobodysaw the ultimate growth of the airplane,
which is still growing. No,there was no question. We all of
us at Brooklyn that day, thewriters, Larry McPhail, who was running
the book and Dodgers, the peoplefrom the National Broadcasting Company. Of course,
(04:33):
they they were very high on TVbecause that was their experimental baby,
and nobody could pinpoint what it wasgoing to be. But everybody knew that
once you began coupling, even thoughit was very crude a picture with sound,
you knew that something was bound toemerge. Okay, once it emerged
(04:55):
into what turned out to be themost popular medium in the way of viewing
a sporting event. I know inyour book you mentioned you would much rather
do a game on radio than television. Why is that, well, Dan,
I think that you know, it'spretty obvious. A broadcaster who is
on radio is the entire show.As I believe I put it in the
(05:19):
book, he is the creative artistbecause the audience only knows aside from a
few extrageous sounds that come in throughthe microphone of the crowd and once in
a while of a bat hitting aball or something like that, the audience
can only picture the game through thewords of the broadcaster. The broadcaster is
(05:42):
sitting there, He looks where hewishes to look. He talks about what
he chooses to speak about. Hedescribed the game as he sees it and
as he thinks it should be described. Now on television, it's just the
reverse. Instead of being the supremeartist, you are the absolute servant.
You are the servant of the monitor, and the monitor reflects as many different
(06:09):
camera changes as there are. Youcan have a six camera change, you
can have eight. I think withsome of the big events today, the
World Series and Super Bowl, etcetera, they get twelve, thirteen,
fourteen camera change you get. Nowyou've got the cameras that are portable,
that are being carried all around inthe spands, and all of these camera
(06:30):
pictures are fed back into the controlroom and the director sitting there with the
switches, decides second by second.It's a very nerve wrecking procedure for the
director. I wouldn't want to beone. But he is the one who
says what goes up on that monitor. Now, the announcer sitting up in
the boot, he may be lookingat the game, but he must he
(06:54):
should the majority of the time synchronizewhat he is saying with what the audience
to see. Other words, theannouncers see is what the audience is and
the way of the picture. Sothat's what I mean that here you have
the reverse in television. Instead ofbeing a creative artist, you're sitting there
like a monkey on a string,and every time that picture changes, you've
(07:15):
got to change with it. Andradio, or if you wish to tell
a little story, a little venueteabout someone, or three or four sentences,
you can in television, you'd betternot take off like that because the
picture changes and you gotta stop.You can have your son just cut right
off in the middle of your mouth. Okay, Red Bober, I know
you've broadcast many World Series games sinceyou departed from the daily broadcast routine as
(07:39):
a play by play announcer, theplayoffs have come into being. In your
mind, Have the playoffs diminish theWorld Series or enhanced the World Series?
Oh, I don't think it hasmade any great dess Dan. What you're
not talking about is the fact thatsports has become one of the big businesses.
(08:00):
It's one of the big conglomerates onthe land and television with it's enormous
income. When it pays to baseball, when it pays to football, it
has made the difference. And thereason that the two reasons that we have
the playoffs is that because of theincrease in population and the Jedi plane,
(08:20):
and the fact that the club ownerswanted more money for themselves, Baseball expanded.
When I first started, it wassixteen teams on there twenty six,
so you had and they tried.I remember that when they had more than
eight teams in the league. Therewas no interest in the teams that are
(08:41):
done at the bottom for a coupleof years, so they had to divide
it to try and resurrects some additionalinterest, have four races instead two,
So that you have four races,you've got the subtler between the four,
which two teams are going to playin the World Series. But when I'm
leading up to saying, in allof this is grist for the mill for
(09:03):
the enormous income from television. Solook at all the money on the playoffs
that baseball is just getting. Andapparently the American public must wish to be
a very static community. We increasinglywant to just sit and look at at
(09:24):
television and vicariously have our athletics.We know a few men play the game
while millions of us sit and watch. This is the twentyth century version of
the days of the circus in Rome. And we have with all the money,
and the people upon me are quitecontent to sit and look at game
(09:46):
after game all night long. Andmyself, having been a professional broadcaster and
my view of sport is that ofa professional reporter, I'm not a fan.
I couldn't afford to be a fanand do the work that I did.
But sometimes I just wonder how peoplecan can continue to absolve and apparently
(10:09):
not good enough of football double headers. The playoff games of the World Series.
Now the money keeps coming in.It is kind of take a national
depression to change it. Okay,let's say a serious depression such as we
had when I got into radio innineteen thirty. Okay, Red Bober,
Let's examine the World Series, whichof course begins next week. Any memorable
(10:31):
World Series moments stick out in yourminds and games that you broadcast, well,
how much time do you have?Dan oh I did thirteen World Series
and then that is in this content. I did and worked on another ten
Farm Forces Radio. Three World seriesthat to me was the most exciting,
of course, was the World Seriesin nineteen forty seven, which was highlighted
(10:54):
my Lavage's base hit the two outin the night sitting that took away the
no hit game from Bill Bevitts.And then in that same World Series with
John Pridos catch Demaggio's good for homerun in the left side of field bullpen.
There have been other exciting World Series, but we are all of us
more interested in the World Series inwhich we were involved. Now, I
(11:16):
know that they say the World Seriesbetween the Red Sox and the Cincinnati Reds
was a very exciting one seven games. Yes, I saw it on the
colevision, but I wasn't involved init. I'm just trying to be as
fair with you and your audience asa candid Red Barber. We're one hundred
miles from Yankee Stadium, one hundredand twenty miles from Fenway Park, so
(11:37):
let me tell you, this isYankee Red Sox country, and when the
two teams meet, the interest runsvery high. You broadcast with the Yankees
many Yankee Red Sox encounters. Whatwere those games like? Well, those
were always very very interesting games,very very intense. You had a lot
(11:58):
of Red Sox fans. It alwayscame to the Yankee Stadium. And of
course I didn't go up to Bostontoo frequently with the Yankees. I didn't
travel with the Yankees for the lasttwo years I was there, because the
first eleven years I was there,Mel Allen and Jim Woods or Phil Resuto,
whoever was Melon's associate, they didthe road games because my basic assignment
(12:20):
at the stadium, if you recall, was doing fifteen minute before the game
and fifteen minutes after the game interviews. So I can't tell you too much
about what happened when the Yankees gotup in Boston. You have to ask
about Allen about that he was upthere. As far as excitement between two
teams go, I will say this, even at the risk of stirring up
(12:43):
negative reactions in your backyard of RedSox and Yankee fans. The greatest rivalry
that ever was, and it neverwill be again, was when the Giants
were in New York and the Dodgerswere in Brooklyn. Whenever they played.
That might as well have been aWorld Series. I'm glad you said that,
because, Uh it led up tomy next question, the fact that
(13:03):
when the Giants and Dodgers met,uh, the rivalry was was so intense.
There's a boller in test because youthat's the only time you had two
teams in the same town in thesame league. That's right. Well,
there's a book on the market nowentitled uh D New York Baseball that involves
the UH New York teams in thelate forties and the fifties. What was
(13:26):
Evatts Field like? Uh, Thefans were really on top of the action
though. Well it it was avery small ballpark and uh you you were
very close to the infield, veryclose to the players. Uh. You
could uh you could hear them talking, you could see the prespirations on their
faces. I mean you the fansa book then were were were as close
to being in the ball game andand still not being active participants as possible
(13:50):
dance red. If you had tolook back at the game and pick uh
one or two great players, uh, would anyone stand out in your mind?
Or any two? Well, I'veseen Uh. I've been very forstive
from nineteen thirty and in my activeyears. Uh. Uh there's nineteen thirty
four in the big leagues and throughnineteen sixty uh six, in which I
(14:11):
I was there day after day.I I saw some some wonderful players,
and I think you have to uhtake them in categories. Uh. I
would say Carl Hubbell was uh wwas a pitcher who impressed me very much.
Uh And uh as far as beingan all round ball player is concerned,
uh, I was very much impressedwith Willie May's. I don't know
anybody who was better on an allround basis doing everything that that uh A
(14:35):
a ball player was supposed to dobetter than May's, A man who might
have been the greatest ball player whoever lived, except he he was so
badly injured all the time. Sometimes, as Casey Steinger said, uh,
he played on one way and asCasey would also say, he's the best
one leg at outfielder I ever sawthat, Bob. One more question.
(14:56):
Ball players today make as much moneyas some players back in the forties and
fifties made in half for all oftheir careers. How has the high salary
affected a baseball player in your mind? And I haven't been around ball players
on a daily basis, a workingbasis since my last year up there had
sixty six And I don't think itwould be fair to you, to your
(15:18):
audience, to me to be guessingat something that I do not know.
Okay, Red Bible would like tothank you very much for taking the time
out and talking with me, andgood luck in your retirement. Well,
I'm not completely retired, Dan,I'm now seventy two, and I'm free
of Social Security and pension restrictions,and I'm taking assignments. In fact,
(15:43):
there's a commercial that REGI Jaction isgoing right now during the playoffs for Panasonic,
and if you're here, the lastfive words on't their mind. I
heard the commercial and I went downin o'calla last night, spoke at the
Quarterback Club, and in fact,I'm back in the business, but I
wouldn't want to do a regular seasonplay back play. I'm happy to hear
(16:06):
that Red Barber thanks a lot foryour time. Well therey have at.
Red Barber broadcast the Reds, theDodgers, the Yankees, and did many
World Series games and All Star gamesas well. Also did a lot of
football. He was the host ofthe College Football Roundup on CBS back in
the forties and fifties on radio whencollege football was huge on radio. And
(16:30):
by the way, he was thesports director of the CBS Radio network at
one time. And you know whenChris Berman, who became very famous for
a lot of catchphrases including back back, back, back, back, back
back, when he used and usesback back, back, back back,
well he's imitating Red Barber because itwas Barber who used back back, back,
back back on al John Frido's greatcatch of Joe DiMaggio on a drive
(16:53):
Demaggio hit in the nineteen forty sevenWorld Series. Then add the d G Dad
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