November 21, 2024 • 44 mins
Kolby is joined by Jared Newman from Hunt League to talk about finding your tribe. Whether a new or seasoned hunter it's important to have people to share our adventures with. Kolby and Jared talk about both the importance of having a support structure and some of the ways they've found theirs.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Hunt Cast with me
Koby Morehead. We're gonna nerd out on bears hunting in
the outdoors. We'll tell stories, talk biology, tactics, gear, and
the fight to protect the pursuits that we hold dear, So,
grab your bino's, lace up your boots, load up your barrels,
and gather the helnds as we venture on this journey together.
(00:43):
All right, welcome to another episode of the Bear Hunting
Magazine Hunt Cast. So last the last episode we had
talked about what you bring to a hunt, talking about
getting into hunting and the things that you bring. And
this time is instead of jumping into tactics or anything,
We're going to talk about something that is really coore
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to your experience in the outdoors, which is finding your
tribe or finding the people to surround yourself with whenever
you are out in the outdoors. And I'm bringing in
one of my good buddies today to talk about this.
Who is all about community in regards to the outdoors.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So Jared Newman.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's the founder of the Hunt League podcast, I mean
the Hunt League app. And basically what the Hunt League
app is, this is a personal journal where you can
log all your hunts, you can go back and look
through the experiences that you had and what notes that
you take. And then there's also it's deeply community based
so that you can share. You can share aspects of
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your hunt. You can share photos on a community wall,
and they just have a really good collective community there
of just and if if there's any stinkers, they get
they get the boot.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
True.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, but uh, anyways, and I'm not saying that you
know your tribe is something that you have to find.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
For me, let me just give a little context. The
reason that I want to have this conversation is there's
a buck that I've been after for two years and
I finally caught up to him about a week and
a half ago, and just a stud of a buck.
I've got a lot of history, uh with this deer,
but it was something that was so special to me.
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My first thought was not to go put it on
social media, Like I still haven't put it on social media,
but I sent that photo out to my tribe to
like all of my close friends who I really who
have heard about this buck, who have been close to
the process, who would just celebrate with me and uh,
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and that's something that is important. Just killing that buck
and just achieving that goal wouldn't have meant as much.
It wouldn't have been important to me if I didn't
have the people to share it with. And so I
think that having that built around you is something that
is very core to your outdoor experience and your longevity
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inside of hunting. Like we all want people to celebrate
with that have our back center going to support us,
and then you know, hopefully they have have something to
add to your process. You know, they can help you
in different aspects as far as troubleshooting, like, oh, maybe
you should key in on this and on this particular
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time and and keen on this food source right now.
Like there's a lot to be to be shared and
gathered from from your tribe. And so welcome Jared.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It is an honor to be here. And I got
to say congratulations on finally attacking that buck. I mean
that was a moment that we got to celebrate together.
I mean the morning you shot at getting that text
message from you, you know, when came together.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, that's what it's all about. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh you heard a lot about that buck because last
year we were going to Oregon, and that was I mean,
we spent what over forty five fifty hours plus and
a truck together over a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Got to hear you sing all your favorite Garth Brooks tunes.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It's true, It's true. I'm a Garth Brooks fan. I'm
on a Luke Comb's kick right now.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Okay, But.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You know when you talk about like community in that,
I go back to a moment of just I used
to love mountain bike. I still do, but when I
was in college, used to love mountain biking, and I
remember when I would go with buddies, we used to
always say, like it wasn't you didn't really ride unless
you flipped over your handlebars at least once. Yeah, at
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least once for it the counters ride. And I remember
riding with buddies and I absolutely loved it. But then
I would also go solo and those times where you
would endo when your solo and you flip over your handlebars,
and I just remember, like all those thoughts, like.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What am I doing out here?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Would I why would I put myself in a position
where I could get hurt? Nobody's out here to help me?
All those types of things. And then but when you
would do it with a friend, even if you were hurt,
like it hurt bad, like you could laugh about it,
you'd be like, oh my gosh. But like being there
with somebody made all the difference in the world. So
when it comes to like those outdoor experiences, and I
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think about that from solo hunts, you know, getting a
solo bowl in twenty nineteen and then having nobody to
like high five share it with, it's like, man, it
actually does take something away from that experience. It's an
awesome accomplishment, but finding your tribe and having people there
to celebrate the ups and downs, you know, being able
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to shed tears. I mean I had that happen with
a group of guys that one of my buddies this
year has been hunting for fourteen years, trying to get
an elk with his bow. He's had seven tags all
those years. He lives in Mississippi. He came out this
year finally tagged his first ball and being able to
celebrate that there were four of us out there, you know, hugging, praying, crying.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It's a I mean, that's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean it's so special to share those moments
with someone and to share them with people that understand
what you're going through. I think that you can share
them with somebody will be like, oh, that's cool, but
not have the context and the depth of understanding of
what all went into that experience, you.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Know, so well cool, Well absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
There's a lot of different ways, and basically like this
would be a good you know, refresher, you know for
guys that have hunted all their lives, but you know,
particularly talking to people that are interested in getting into
hunting or you know, maybe did it a while back,
just you know, finding their way back into it or whatever.
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But how do you there's all different kinds of ways,
But how.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Do you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Find a hunting buddy or like find your tribe or
the people that you share your experiences with.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That is a great question, and it's probably something that
is not necessarily universally going to be accepted or adopted
by people. I think for me, I recognize one of
the biggest barriers to hunting is you know, not receiving
an invitation. Like there's a lot of people that would
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love to go, but they've never been invited. They don't
know how to take the first step. They don't know,
you know, they don't know how do I even get
a tag? Once I get a tag, where do I go?
There's a lot of obstacles, and I think hunting can
be intimidating, and I am constantly aware that the best
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way for people to start that journey is a simple invitation.
And I am probably different from a lot of hunters
and the fact that I care more about inviting people
and getting people involved than I do my own personal success.
So I used to do a lot more solo hunting,
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and it meant more for me to fill a tag.
I don't know if it's just stage of life or
where I'm at, or the enjoyment that I get from
taking others. At this point in the game, it's all
about the invitation. So to me, I'm constantly inviting, maybe
to my wife's even chagrin there or she's like, how
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many hunting trips can you do? Or you have people
calling you all the time from different states, from all
sorts of places, Hey, could you come do this hunt
with me? Could I come out to Colorado and do
this hunt with you? And you know, to be honest, like,
I'm really open handed with that invitation, and I've taken
a lot of strangers into the woods, which a lot
of people are not going to be comfortable or not
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going to be happy about, because they have a particular
outcome that they're looking for in the hunt, or they
want to pursue game in a particular way like some
you know, elk cunning is really my bread and butter
out here in Colorado. I've done some bear hunting and
some other types, but you know, for me, I think
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I'm pretty open handed with that community, and I love
sharing those experiences because I know if I get to
have a shared experience with somebody in the woods, that
creates like a bond that almost I mean, it's like
it lasts a lifetime. I just met a guy, Joseph
Murphy from Mississippi that came out hunted for the first
time with the guy take cunning hand this year, took
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a twelve year old boy, took a sixteen year old boy,
like my season.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
If I look back at it, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
These are all first time hunters or first time elk
hunters or that kind of thing that I got to
share those experiences with, and that's going to be something
that I carry forward the rest of my life, you know.
So I would say I'm a little bit different than
a lot of people. A lot of people like finding
their specific three guys that they may go share with
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and they hunt with those same guys year over year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
To me, that guy is Noah Bodkin.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
He's the first guy that invited me to go on
an elk count with him. I think we did that
in two thousand and seven. And Noah and I outside
of I think one or two years. One year was
an injury year that we had a motorcycle accident up
in the high country right before an elk season that
delayed us from being able to hunt that year together.
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But outside of that, we hunt every elk season together.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So I still have.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
My tribe with like close guys that I hunt with
year over year. But then I'm always looking to expand
that tribe and have an open invitation to outsiders.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, and it was that your entrance into the outdoors
or entrance into hunting, you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Know, as a little boy, anytime I was near water,
wild open spaces, I was up early trying to hunt, fish,
do something. But I had very little big game hunting
experience until I moved to Colorado, and it was when
I started doing those elk hunts with Noah is what
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really opened my eyes. And having those shared experiences. There
was nothing else that I did in life that I
felt like connected me with another, you know, with somebody else,
and like the way that like a week of elk
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hunting did like the I don't know, there's something unique
about it. Whether it's because it's so elemental and just
you know, basic survival skills of what you're doing, or
you know, instinct tribal type things, but it was those
relationships that I feel like I forged in the woods
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and on these hunts are something that I think transcend
a lot of just other relationships that I think get built.
We're meeting at a coffee shop with somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like your entrance into a
big game with Noah would have been a blueprint that
produced the way that you go into things now of
like taking somebody else along in the woods and stuff.
So I don't know, maybe it imprinted something on you,
you know, and I think inside of you know, if
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we were going to talk about bear hunting specifically, you
really see that kind of pattern inside of predominantly hound hunters,
especially up in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, there's a they can
give their tags to someone else, and so there's a
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lot of hound hunters that are taken special needs kids
out on their first bear hunting experience that want to
want to get a bear. And you just really see
a rich culture where guys who just want to get
out there and run their hounds take someone else as
as the hunter and get them introduced into the outdoors.
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I mean, even down here in Arkansas, it's much easier
to take somebody, you know, small game hunting, like if
you're if you're wanting to get into big game hunting yourself.
There's a few things that I would a few ways
that I see people connecting.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Just throughout my life.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
One is if you just go out and you're hunting
a specific area, like you just key in on that area.
A lot of times you'll start seeing the same vehicle
you know, around the same area that you're hunting, and
eventually you'll see him come out and you just like
strike up a conversation. And it's something I've seen down here,
and I've also you know, Garrett Weaver up in Oregon,
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I've hunt I go up there. I've gone up there
several times over the last few years and hunted with
him and Cody and some of his best hunting buddies
he met that way, you know, even you know up
in the West, I've seen my dad growing up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We would always be on the river.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh, and he's met really good hunting buddies that way.
And Uh, there's something about just getting out and then
being somebody who is pursuing something when you talk to
someone else who's you know, pursuing the same thing. You know,
if you can get over that awkwardness of like, hey,
you're after the same uh stuff I'm after in the
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same area. Like if you can get over that competition
and just like have a converse station, you can have
some really really good relationships grow out of that. And
even with the buck I killed this year, I got
connected with one of the neighbors and we've been sharing,
like we've been sharing all of the information of bucks
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from our cameras. And that was another cool scenario that
helped me, and it actually helped me know what that
buck was doing. And because I had gone into his
bed and jumped a deer and I was wondering if
if it was that buck or not. And all of
a sudden, just that night, that buck started showing up
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at his place, and so I knew that I had
bumped that buck out of his bed in this area,
you know, and it was a place that he had
been before, and at least I had a strong suspicion.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
You know, when you talk about hunting a specific area
and how that works, you know, I'll be more specific
to where I'm at in the West, you know, I
do a lot of backcountry wilderness hunts, you know, where
you're four or five miles deep in certain canyons, certain places,
and a lot of times I'm kind of looking for
places that other people don't want to go. Yeah, and
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so when you find somebody else back there, it's an
easy conversation because you already recognize there's some like mindedness
between us, Like when you talk about going to a
certain area, like out here in Colorado, Like if I
pull up to a trailhead and the same truck is there,
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or those kind of things. A lot of times I
realize we're probably hunting the same species. We probably have
a passion for, you know, something similar. We're probably looking
at similar trains. When we're doing e scouting and other
things like that, Like you start realizing there's probably some
overlap in the way that we see our.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Approach to hunting.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So I think a lot of times when people are
trying to find a hunting buddy, they're looking for some
level of compatibility in the way.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
They want to it's their game.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And I think when you pull up to a trailhead
and somebody else is at that same trailhead, rather than
seeing that as competition or an enemy or man, this
is just the frustration of public land. I mean, right,
and yeah, those those things exist, like there's some some
level of truth to that, but I also see that
as man, these are probably some like minded people, and
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these are these are my new buddies. Yeah, there's just
you know, like a laboratory retriever out there. You're just
so happy to see somebody you need something. And I mean,
I can't tell you how many times too, when you're
back in a canyon and you meet somebody and if
somebody's got an elk down like it's but yeah, you
can help people, like legitimately help people, and you know
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in the midst of that, like you help pack somebody's
animal out like you get.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A bond, yeah, you know. And the other thing that
I mean, even a platform. I'm like Hunt League. I mean,
whenever I went up to Oregon, a lot of those
guys that are really helping each other each other out
met each other through the through the app, and so
it could be something like even an app, I mean.
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And whenever I got my big buck, there was a
guy that I had met at the archery shop that
we exchanged info, like you seem like a pretty good dude,
and we've been keeping up. Well, he can help me
drag out my buck the other day. Now we're gonna
go hunt some public land tonight, you know, together after
we record this. And so I think it's one of
those things where you have to have a mindset where
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you know you're not against other hunters and you just
have to have kind of that that thought that there.
You know, it's not something you want to walk out alone.
And uh, you know, you also don't go into it
like starving for like needy, you know, or or trying
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to like puff yourself up like you are the best
hunter in the world, like you just have to. Really,
I think authenticity is the thing that has sold me
on everyone that I hunt with or that I exchange
information with. It's people aren't aren't like ruffling up their
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feathers and puffing up like. It's just good guys who
are authentic, who like to do the same things that
I like to do.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And it doesn't even have to be.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like you know, Garrett and Cody up in Oregon, like
I like to use them because it's they're just really
good guys and I know everything that's going on in
their elk season, in their blacktail season, like, and those
are animals that I don't chase, but I mean, we're
a voice of support for each other. We're just like
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they get excited and pumped up for when I succeed.
I get pumped up and excited for when they succeed.
And that's really what you're looking for. It doesn't always
have to be someone local. It doesn't have to be
somebody you know, I think. I think sometimes you just
have to have the mentality that you know, you cast
a wide net, and who you connect with and really
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jive with is who you you know, who you just
jive with, you know?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, No, I mean I think about like what the
hunting gap has done for me When I created it,
I wanted to have the opportunity, like I really built
it just for me and my friends for are elk counting,
Like I wanted to have a detailed journal where we
could sit in at the end of an elk season,
we could go through our notes together, we could share
some notes, we could see, all, right, what time of
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year was this happening? This happening, so that we could
actually become better elk hunters. We could use the information
that we were gathering in the field and hopefully record
it in a way that we weren't going to forget it.
So the original intent of Hunt League was really just
building an app that me and my buddies could use
to become better elk hunters.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
As you start.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Building it, you realize like, well, you don't really just
release like an app in the app Store that is
like a private app just for you and your buddies.
So it expanded to other species. It expanded to like, well,
I was like, well, surely, like if this is good
for me and my buddies, like other people and their
buddies would love to use this, And through as it evolved,
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you know, then there became leagues, and there became a
community page or people are sharing. So when you're talking
about Cody, like Cody's in Montana right now, you know,
out on his mule to your hunt, He's hoping that
the wind is going to die down because it's been
thirty five mile an hour the last couple of days. Yeah,
And I'm like, I know all these things because like
through this app, like it's connected with these guys, and
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these are guys that like you've hunted with Colby, and
it's through this connection of Hunt League that like all
these types of things have come together. You know, Garrett
was who you talked about, was instrumental and like he
invited me and my son. My son got his first
bear and organ when he was eleven years old, you know,
thanks to that invitation from Garrett. You know, like that's
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something that wasn't on our radar, that wasn't something that
seemed like in the realm of possibility. But that's where
like that simple invitation, the open door, the conversation, it's
really easy for sometimes I think some of the guys
that really struggle finding community or like man, I don't
have anybody, and they kind of it's guys that are
just trying to brag and show their own accomplishments and
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they just need somebody to praise them for that. Well,
you put two of those guys in the same room
and they walk out as enemies because it was never
about celebrating the success of the other person. It was
I just need somebody to celebrate me and my success
in my ego. And it's like what I love about
the humbley gap is like, yeah, we have these leagues,
and we have these it's competitive where somebody wins, you know,
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a league title. Like just this past week we announced
the Sweet September League winner, which is an archery ELK league,
you know, and we had three finalists, one from California,
one from Oregon, one from Mississippi. Two of those guys
hunted out of state. One guy hunted Arizona, one guy
hunted Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
The Oregon guy hunted his own state.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But I'm talking to the judges about these three guys,
and those are all guys like I shouldn't really know
them in real life, you know, Like, but it's like
through the app that we've connected. Rich came out here
and hunted Colorado with me two years ago with a
guy with Tucker from Vortex. Daniel is a mutual friend
of my buddy Noah. He came out from Mississippi's been
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hunting with us. Oregon is Wolfgang trock Soul, who I
met through the app.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
But like I know, I remember Wolfgang Wolang's man. You know,
he's out blacktail hunting right now. He's got a blacktail season,
and I know what's happening. So I'm talking to these judges.
You know, So I got a judge from Missouri. I
got Racksaw from Missouri, Austin. I don't know if you've
met him. Colby's close to you, but awesome guy. You
should definitely get to know Austin. So I'll help expand
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your circle in this car.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Chris hog does you know archery because this is archery
specific league, Lucas Paul from Hogu Hunting, and Tom Diceing
who does mile high note game calls. Those guys were
like our judges panel, helping select the finalists, helping select
the winner. And I'm talking to them about each of
these finalists and their stories, and they're you know, I
can describe in detail all three of those finalists like season,
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and it's because I followed it the whole time. Day,
shared pictures, day, shared stories, you know, and it's like
we're already talking. Wolfgang asked me if I wanted to
go hunt Montana with him, like either next year or
the year after. Rich I think has five or six
points out here in Colorado and he's planning to come, uh,
you know, cashing those and I'll take him and we'll
go into a special unit here in a year or
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two when he draws.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know, Daniel, I got to.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Be there when he harvested his first ball this year,
Like I wasn't with him when he shot or those things,
but helped him with the packout. Like these guys have
become my community, my friends, the guys I spend my
fall with. And it's and it came about through you know,
this app, which was really built just to kind of
serve the group of guys that I hunt with, but
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it has really exponentially expanded my universe.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And it's how you and I met Colby.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And you know, I can't wait to hear hunting stories,
whether it's turkey, snow goose hunting, the.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Next I need to get better at logging stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I just never think about it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You're basically the worst, but.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I really am.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I'm not ever going to fault people for
that though, because everybody likes you know.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
It's like, what do you want out of a hunt?
What do you want to record? What do you want
to take away?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I'm a guy that likes the I like the journal side.
I liked I like tracking stuff. I like seeing where
I've been. I like seeing how much work I've put
into something like I can look in my app right
now and tell you how many days I've worked out
this year. I can tell you how many days you know,
I've shot my goals at the beginning of the year.
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Where there's three daily checkboxes, there's uh, there's one that's.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Called invest which is investing yourself for others.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And that's a little bit of something where people can
define that in a different way, meaning that could be
your practicing, your ELK calls, your turkey calls, you're you're
listening to podcasts, you're doing an ELK one oh one,
like course, you know, like you're investing yourself, you're investing
in others, you're mentoring somebody. It's a little bit ambiguous,
but it's ambiguous for a reason because certain leagues might
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want to define that invest in a certain way, and
so we kind of allow that to be. But like
if I were to ask you, all right, you check
this box one hundred and fifty times this year, what
does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Then you should be able to answer what that means?
For me?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That invest is I'm using it is my daily Bible reading.
It's like I'm investing in myself and that has nothing
to do with the hunt, but like that's what I'm
chruo going to use that for because I know likes
I stay connected, you know, with the Lord, and I'm
full of the word like I'm a better person. I'm
going to be better for everybody to hunt with. I'm
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going to be more at rest in my spirits, soul,
all of that stuff. So that's an important part for
me because I want to be able to go into
a hunt, I want to be able to go into
time with my family all of that stuff feeling like man,
i am connected with the Lord and I'm walking in
his power, not my own.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So that's the invest for me.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Their train is how many days I'm training in the gym,
And you can only check that box once a day,
So even if you did two in a day, you're not.
You don't get two workouts, just one one checkbox a
day and then the other one is shoot, so how
many times you shot. So at the beginning of the year,
I wanted to do at least three hundred invest, two
hundred train, one hundred shoot, and I'm proud to say
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it is November twentieth and I have completed.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I've already succeeded.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I'm getting over three, two hundred and one hundred on
all those things this year. But what's fun about that
is I can see that like people that are using
the app actively, Like I saw that Rich Mays who
just won the Sweet September Archery League, he shot his
bow over two hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Days this year, which that's just impressive. You know.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's like meditation and the works that these guys are
putting in and I can see and keep track of
that just in the app, which has been a really
It's added a lot of value to me. But I'm
not going to fault you Colby for not checking all.
I know you work out three sixty five. I'd be
a two a day guy, but yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
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But I'm not going to fault you for not checking
those boxes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Getting there, getting there, Well, we're kind of coming to
a close on time. But the last thing that I
want to say is I want to talk about a
few red flags. So whenever you are finding these people,
there's a few things that you should look for, or
if you find yourself being this type of person, you
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might want to assess. But one thing is is I
never want anybody to feel like they need to when
they send something to me, like a photo of something
that they got. I don't want them to feel like
they ever have to say not the biggest, you know, decent,
you know whatever. Like I don't want to have a
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relationship to where somebody feels like if they share something
with me that I'm want to look at it with
some sort of inferiority thing or that you know, I'm
not gonna come back with like should have let it
whatever or should have whatever. It's like, oh man, that's awesome,
Like I don't care if it's got a half a spike,
you know, like uh, you know, and like as far
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as bears, I'm gonna celebrate. I'm gonna celebrate whatever. Anytime
that somebody punches the tag it shit it's it. It success,
you know, it's a cause for celebration. A plan came together,
even if it was on accident, Like something came together
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and all of a sudden, they've got they've got a fur,
a hide, and maybe some antler. And and that's something
that I see over and over again on social media,
Like if you go on Facebook, people will unless they
shoot a two hundred inch buck, they're gonna be like
not the biggest or you know, you know, I'm happy
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with it, or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I hate that culture.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And that's something that I really like about Hunt League
is I don't see guys whenever they post stuff, putting
that on the front end. It's like they know that
everybody's gonna be pumped that that they succeeded. And a
lot of guys are even you know, adult onset hunters,
you know, guys getting into it. And I think that's
really the culture that we need to build inside of
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the hunting community. You know, it's never going to be
that way on social media. There's too many trolls and
too many people wanting to show that they.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Know more than the next guy or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But when you want to surround yourself with people who
you know first off are going to celebrate your accomplishments,
celebrate your success, and then they'll reserve any critiques. If
you're searching it out, you know, there might be things
that you might have questions, like, well, I got this one,
(31:30):
I was trying to get on the other one. Do
you think, Like, how do you think I should? You know,
if I'm wanting to to Just like, I had a
guy the other day that he's just getting into whitetail
hunting and he had decided that he wanted to start
out with a trad bow and I was like, man,
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that'd be really cool if you can pull it off.
And I was like, you know, just I just told him.
I was like, you have to decide what your success
equation is if it's tradbo and white tail. I'm like,
be prepared to for frustration. I'm like, you're you're inviting
a lot of hardship inside of a process that you
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know you're not gonna probably taste success for a while
and it's gonna be a harder road. But if that's
what you feel like you want to do and it's
important to you because you want to make it hard, man,
go get it. You know, it's like, but the thing
is is we fall. We fall in this in this
this rut to where either we're trying to push our
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goals and the things that are important to us on
somebody else, or we are pulling that off of other
people and trying to put it on our own selves.
You know, like if you wanna if you want to
hunt deer over a feeder, like over bait, like I
do that sometimes I love it, but there's a lot
of times like I'll never hunt the bait that I
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put out. I'll go hunt other areas. And you know,
like it wouldn't matter if I'd killed this buck overbate
or not. A lot of things had to go right
for that to come together. I had to come up
with a game plan. I had to have the wind right,
I had to have the right scenario. I had to
figure things out. It wasn't by accident, and even if
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it had been some other buck I had no history with,
it would have been awesome and I don't. And I
want to make sure that that's something that we're thinking
about is you know, just need to be supportive for
however people do it. And that's something that we see
inside of the bear hunting world, where you know there
are guys that are hard against baiting bears. They have
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no idea what it's like. Even if they say that
they do. They have whatever experience they have, but their
experience is going to be granular on on some level.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, I could go into a whole discussion by that.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I did my first baited bear hunt this year, and
I can't even begin to tell you how much I
learned Kolby through that experience. And I told I went
with Arkain Optics, I went with Josh Greer, and he
invited me on this bear hunt and I just said, hey, look,
I've never done a baita hunt. I don't know exactly
how I feel about it yet, and I don't ever
want to shoot an animal that I don't feel. I
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don't ever want to feel pressure to shoot an animal like.
I don't want to be in a situation and feel like,
you know, if I don't kill something, it's not a success.
And I told him upfront, I said, hey, success is
going on this trip with you, getting this time, seeing
animals up close, all of that, being able to capture
some on camera. That is success for me. Whether or
not I get an animal is not dependent on It's
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not how I define success.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So I kind of let him know, and I was like, I.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Just need you to be okay, Like if I get
up there and I just don't feel good about shooting
an animal over bait, are you okay with that? So
we kind of had that discussion. But I could dive
into that whole thing, and there's a whole story there
of how much I learned, what I loved about, how
much it actually can benefit the population. There's there's a
whole story there that we won't go into. Party at
the end of the time, Yeah, I would just say, like,
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you know, when it comes to the community side and
how you respond when somebody sends you a message instead
of like thinking about like projecting your thoughts about that.
You know, it's most of the time, I mean almost
every time if somebody sends you something, it's you know,
they're looking for some kind of form of agreement, congratulations,
just affirmation, like they're wanting to share their story. You know,
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it's like, this is my story. I want to share
it with you, whether or not it's the story they
want it or not. And then I think that a
more appropriate response is, like you know, what did you
learn from this experience? Like I think that's always the
best because I want to be a constant learner. I
want to learn every time. And like somebody may have
taken that smaller buck for a reason, and rather than
just judging somebody based on they shot a small buck,
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you know, that's there's somehow a fault in that. It's like, no,
tell me the story, Like I want to know the
story of everything that went into it. What made you
pull the trigger on out? Why'd you decide? How did
that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All that?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
And like if you shot that buck and you don't
feel good about it, or you feel like you have
to hide behind it or you you know, it's like, well,
don't shoot another buck, like in the future, like if
you're not going to feel good about it, Like, don't
don't shoot an animal that isn't and it's not because
the size the animal should be the thing that brings
you joy. But it's like if you if it's not,
if you don't feel good about it, like don't don't
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take the life of an animal, you know, But it's
like you can learn from those experiences. So helping people
self reflect on that and gain that experience. Like then
they can make that determination next year and they can say,
you know what, I was just as happy taking this
button buck as I would have been this other one
because it just did something for me. Yeah, you know,
next year they're not going to feel bad about taking
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the same button buck because they they just you know,
they're thankful and grateful for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And all that. So I think looking for like what
did you learn from it?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Is all he is going to be a better takeaway
than how you can tell somebody the lesson that they
should have learned.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
No, And I think that we have to understand whenever
you're starting something, there's a maturity process that goes through
and like and also like the ending part of that
maturity process is all related to you and not like
a hunting community as a whole. You know, like at
some end of a maturity process, some guys will just
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be hunting for meat. They're like, I've attained everything that
I want. I just want to put meat in the freezer.
Some guys are like, I want to hold out and
kill the most mature animal that I can. Some guys
go out and they're like, I want to do it
the hardest method possible. I want to shoot a self
bow with wooden shafts, you know, like yeah, this, that
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or the other. And I think that's important to know
that you're that what it is, the way that you
do it is, it's really a personal a personal development,
Like it's a it's very personal to you and not
anyone else. And you know, tying it back to community
and tribal like you want people surrounding you that will
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support support the things that are important to you and
without any any like pushing or pulling, you know, just
people that authentically want you to do well and you know,
and talking about success. You know, this year as of
right now, I haven't killed a bear in Arkansas. We
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we baited. The weather was bad, well not the weather,
the the hard mass like just dropped all at once
and and early, and bears weren't hitting baits like we
tagged out in our zone in less than.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
A full week or right out a full week last.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Year, and we hadn't even I mean we're a couple
months into the season now and we haven't even punched
the initial quota and so it's just a hard year.
Well after not seeing a bear the first day that
we sat. I had had some cameras that were seeing
bears pretty consistently on a pond on public and so
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I went out there and I and I sat down
and hunted the evening. And the first time that I
tried to go find a bear on public land, it's
like I found a bear on public land. I had
a bear come in. I could have shot it, and
I decided to pass on it. But that was the
biggest success that I could have had. And I didn't
come out with some fur meat or anything, you know,
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And I saw the bear and it's like, you know,
if it would have been anybody else, i'd have been like, hey,
that's a bear that you saw in public, like shoot it.
But for me, it's like I had just come back
from I got a big bear in Canada. I don't
need the meat, and to shoot this bear would just
be like me punching the tag, like I don't need it.
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But the success was in finding a bear and seeing
the bear and having an opportunity where I could have
harvested it. And you know, I could attend ring this bear.
I mean it was seventeen yards, it was standing still like.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It would have been done.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And but I decided to pass on it, and that
bear went out there and started swimming around in the
in the pond in front of me, and I was like,
this is just the coolest experience. And if I'd have
shot that bear would have taken away from the experience
because it's like I value that more right now than
I do actually pulling a critter out of the out
of the wild. And so that's you have to decide
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what your success equation is. And then everybody that I
shared that experience with, nobody was like, oh, you should
have shot it. They were like, man, that's awesome, you know, yeah,
and uh, and that's what you want. That's those are
the people that you want sur to surround yourself with,
and you want to be that person inside of your
group two that you want people to share things with
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you and know that it's like you're just going to
be there for then you know, absolute support.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So yeah, you know, when I look at like social
media stuff, a lot of times social media you want
to highlight kind of the special success moments. You're only
wanting to post the picture with you with the big
animal or those types of things, and it's it's really
more or less about the accomplishment and you're you're not
sharing the journey. What I love about the Homtling community
and the Honley Gap is I like seeing the post
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of like Cody you mentioned earlier, his post that he
put up yesterday saying, hey, it was super Wendy. You know,
the conditions were terrible, but we still were able to
locate some that was a huge win. And I look
at it and I'm like, those are the things where
I'm like, man, I can't wait to hear what happens
today because it builds on it and you're actually capturing
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the whole story, not just like the highlight moment or
not just you know, the sitting behind the antlers or
sitting behind the big bear piled up. It's like, I
want to know every I love being a part of
the journey. And I think what's special about hunt League
is like it's a place where you can share what
some people would call their failures or failed attempts, like
your story of seeing that bear. That's what we celebrate
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inside the Huntley community because it's you know, it's like
that's what it's all about, like getting out there and
having those experiences, logging the fact that you saw a
bear on public land.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And so you know that that's what we want to
be able to celebrate, and that that's what I really
love about, you know, the way that that app is
designed compared maybe to like the highlight reel of what
you would see like on a YouTube video or just
a social media post.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, well cool, Well I think that is a
good place to shut her down. But uh yeah, uh,
if you guys want to check out the Huntley Gap,
it's a it's a pretty pretty cool app. I'm kind
of curious how some of you hound guys could log
stuff in there to keep up with what your dog's
doing and how they're how the puffs are coming along
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a stuff too. I bet you guys can find some
use out of that.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
But yeah, I'd be interested too, even getting some hound
guys on there, just how they how they use the
app and what they would maybe want to see happen,
because I don't have experience with hound hunting, so I'd
love to get some feedback even from some of those
hound hunters saying, hey, you know, here's how you have
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this set up to like log these hunts. You know,
here's what would be helpful for US houndsmen, because I
think that would be a really cool thing.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
There's a lot of people they would love to see.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
What happens on a hound hunt just so they like
see the experience of it. And if we had people
journaling that, you know, it'd probably get a lot more
people interested in wanting to go booking those trips that
type of thing, just because they can see, you know,
the inside story of what goes on inside of hunting.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah. Plus you can track.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, you'd be able to log how much a
dog ran on a particular day, when's the last time
you ran them, how many days you hunted that dog,
and then whenever you go to do some trading around
you can tell somebody exactly what kind of dog they're getting,
how many bears they've been on, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
So yeah, yeah, well cool. Well thanks Jered, We'll catch
you next time. Appreciate it, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
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All right, welcome to another episode of the Bear Hunting
Magazine Hunt Cast. So last the last episode we had
talked about what you bring to a hunt, talking about
getting into hunting and the things that you bring. And
this time is instead of jumping into tactics or anything,
We're going to talk about something that is really coore
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to your experience in the outdoors, which is finding your
tribe or finding the people to surround yourself with whenever
you are out in the outdoors. And I'm bringing in
one of my good buddies today to talk about this.
Who is all about community in regards to the outdoors.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So Jared Newman.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's the founder of the Hunt League podcast, I mean
the Hunt League app. And basically what the Hunt League
app is, this is a personal journal where you can
log all your hunts, you can go back and look
through the experiences that you had and what notes that
you take. And then there's also it's deeply community based
so that you can share. You can share aspects of
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your hunt. You can share photos on a community wall,
and they just have a really good collective community there
of just and if if there's any stinkers, they get
they get the boot.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
True.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, but uh, anyways, and I'm not saying that you
know your tribe is something that you have to find.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
For me, let me just give a little context. The
reason that I want to have this conversation is there's
a buck that I've been after for two years and
I finally caught up to him about a week and
a half ago, and just a stud of a buck.
I've got a lot of history, uh with this deer,
but it was something that was so special to me.
(02:36):
My first thought was not to go put it on
social media, Like I still haven't put it on social media,
but I sent that photo out to my tribe to
like all of my close friends who I really who
have heard about this buck, who have been close to
the process, who would just celebrate with me and uh,
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and that's something that is important. Just killing that buck
and just achieving that goal wouldn't have meant as much.
It wouldn't have been important to me if I didn't
have the people to share it with. And so I
think that having that built around you is something that
is very core to your outdoor experience and your longevity
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inside of hunting. Like we all want people to celebrate
with that have our back center going to support us,
and then you know, hopefully they have have something to
add to your process. You know, they can help you
in different aspects as far as troubleshooting, like, oh, maybe
you should key in on this and on this particular
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time and and keen on this food source right now.
Like there's a lot to be to be shared and
gathered from from your tribe. And so welcome Jared.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It is an honor to be here. And I got
to say congratulations on finally attacking that buck. I mean
that was a moment that we got to celebrate together.
I mean the morning you shot at getting that text
message from you, you know, when came together.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, that's what it's all about. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh you heard a lot about that buck because last
year we were going to Oregon, and that was I mean,
we spent what over forty five fifty hours plus and
a truck together over a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Got to hear you sing all your favorite Garth Brooks tunes.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It's true, It's true. I'm a Garth Brooks fan. I'm
on a Luke Comb's kick right now.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Okay, But.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You know when you talk about like community in that,
I go back to a moment of just I used
to love mountain bike. I still do, but when I
was in college, used to love mountain biking, and I
remember when I would go with buddies, we used to
always say, like it wasn't you didn't really ride unless
you flipped over your handlebars at least once. Yeah, at
(05:00):
least once for it the counters ride. And I remember
riding with buddies and I absolutely loved it. But then
I would also go solo and those times where you
would endo when your solo and you flip over your handlebars,
and I just remember, like all those thoughts, like.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
What am I doing out here?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Would I why would I put myself in a position
where I could get hurt? Nobody's out here to help me?
All those types of things. And then but when you
would do it with a friend, even if you were hurt,
like it hurt bad, like you could laugh about it,
you'd be like, oh my gosh. But like being there
with somebody made all the difference in the world. So
when it comes to like those outdoor experiences, and I
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think about that from solo hunts, you know, getting a
solo bowl in twenty nineteen and then having nobody to
like high five share it with, it's like, man, it
actually does take something away from that experience. It's an
awesome accomplishment, but finding your tribe and having people there
to celebrate the ups and downs, you know, being able
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to shed tears. I mean I had that happen with
a group of guys that one of my buddies this
year has been hunting for fourteen years, trying to get
an elk with his bow. He's had seven tags all
those years. He lives in Mississippi. He came out this
year finally tagged his first ball and being able to
celebrate that there were four of us out there, you know, hugging, praying, crying.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
It's a I mean, that's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean it's so special to share those moments
with someone and to share them with people that understand
what you're going through. I think that you can share
them with somebody will be like, oh, that's cool, but
not have the context and the depth of understanding of
what all went into that experience, you.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Know, so well cool, Well absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
There's a lot of different ways, and basically like this
would be a good you know, refresher, you know for
guys that have hunted all their lives, but you know,
particularly talking to people that are interested in getting into
hunting or you know, maybe did it a while back,
just you know, finding their way back into it or whatever.
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But how do you there's all different kinds of ways,
But how.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Do you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Find a hunting buddy or like find your tribe or
the people that you share your experiences with.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That is a great question, and it's probably something that
is not necessarily universally going to be accepted or adopted
by people. I think for me, I recognize one of
the biggest barriers to hunting is you know, not receiving
an invitation. Like there's a lot of people that would
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love to go, but they've never been invited. They don't
know how to take the first step. They don't know,
you know, they don't know how do I even get
a tag? Once I get a tag, where do I go?
There's a lot of obstacles, and I think hunting can
be intimidating, and I am constantly aware that the best
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way for people to start that journey is a simple invitation.
And I am probably different from a lot of hunters
and the fact that I care more about inviting people
and getting people involved than I do my own personal success.
So I used to do a lot more solo hunting,
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and it meant more for me to fill a tag.
I don't know if it's just stage of life or
where I'm at, or the enjoyment that I get from
taking others. At this point in the game, it's all
about the invitation. So to me, I'm constantly inviting, maybe
to my wife's even chagrin there or she's like, how
(08:52):
many hunting trips can you do? Or you have people
calling you all the time from different states, from all
sorts of places, Hey, could you come do this hunt
with me? Could I come out to Colorado and do
this hunt with you? And you know, to be honest, like,
I'm really open handed with that invitation, and I've taken
a lot of strangers into the woods, which a lot
of people are not going to be comfortable or not
(09:14):
going to be happy about, because they have a particular
outcome that they're looking for in the hunt, or they
want to pursue game in a particular way like some
you know, elk cunning is really my bread and butter
out here in Colorado. I've done some bear hunting and
some other types, but you know, for me, I think
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I'm pretty open handed with that community, and I love
sharing those experiences because I know if I get to
have a shared experience with somebody in the woods, that
creates like a bond that almost I mean, it's like
it lasts a lifetime. I just met a guy, Joseph
Murphy from Mississippi that came out hunted for the first
time with the guy take cunning hand this year, took
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a twelve year old boy, took a sixteen year old boy,
like my season.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
If I look back at it, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
These are all first time hunters or first time elk
hunters or that kind of thing that I got to
share those experiences with, and that's going to be something
that I carry forward the rest of my life, you know.
So I would say I'm a little bit different than
a lot of people. A lot of people like finding
their specific three guys that they may go share with
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and they hunt with those same guys year over year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
To me, that guy is Noah Bodkin.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
He's the first guy that invited me to go on
an elk count with him. I think we did that
in two thousand and seven. And Noah and I outside
of I think one or two years. One year was
an injury year that we had a motorcycle accident up
in the high country right before an elk season that
delayed us from being able to hunt that year together.
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But outside of that, we hunt every elk season together.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So I still have.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
My tribe with like close guys that I hunt with
year over year. But then I'm always looking to expand
that tribe and have an open invitation to outsiders.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, and it was that your entrance into the outdoors
or entrance into hunting, you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Know, as a little boy, anytime I was near water,
wild open spaces, I was up early trying to hunt, fish,
do something. But I had very little big game hunting
experience until I moved to Colorado, and it was when
I started doing those elk hunts with Noah is what
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really opened my eyes. And having those shared experiences. There
was nothing else that I did in life that I
felt like connected me with another, you know, with somebody else,
and like the way that like a week of elk
(11:53):
hunting did like the I don't know, there's something unique
about it. Whether it's because it's so elemental and just
you know, basic survival skills of what you're doing, or
you know, instinct tribal type things, but it was those
relationships that I feel like I forged in the woods
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and on these hunts are something that I think transcend
a lot of just other relationships that I think get built.
We're meeting at a coffee shop with somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like your entrance into a
big game with Noah would have been a blueprint that
produced the way that you go into things now of
like taking somebody else along in the woods and stuff.
So I don't know, maybe it imprinted something on you,
you know, and I think inside of you know, if
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we were going to talk about bear hunting specifically, you
really see that kind of pattern inside of predominantly hound hunters,
especially up in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, there's a they can
give their tags to someone else, and so there's a
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lot of hound hunters that are taken special needs kids
out on their first bear hunting experience that want to
want to get a bear. And you just really see
a rich culture where guys who just want to get
out there and run their hounds take someone else as
as the hunter and get them introduced into the outdoors.
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I mean, even down here in Arkansas, it's much easier
to take somebody, you know, small game hunting, like if
you're if you're wanting to get into big game hunting yourself.
There's a few things that I would a few ways
that I see people connecting.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Just throughout my life.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
One is if you just go out and you're hunting
a specific area, like you just key in on that area.
A lot of times you'll start seeing the same vehicle
you know, around the same area that you're hunting, and
eventually you'll see him come out and you just like
strike up a conversation. And it's something I've seen down here,
and I've also you know, Garrett Weaver up in Oregon,
(14:17):
I've hunt I go up there. I've gone up there
several times over the last few years and hunted with
him and Cody and some of his best hunting buddies
he met that way, you know, even you know up
in the West, I've seen my dad growing up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We would always be on the river.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh, and he's met really good hunting buddies that way.
And Uh, there's something about just getting out and then
being somebody who is pursuing something when you talk to
someone else who's you know, pursuing the same thing. You know,
if you can get over that awkwardness of like, hey,
you're after the same uh stuff I'm after in the
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same area. Like if you can get over that competition
and just like have a converse station, you can have
some really really good relationships grow out of that. And
even with the buck I killed this year, I got
connected with one of the neighbors and we've been sharing,
like we've been sharing all of the information of bucks
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from our cameras. And that was another cool scenario that
helped me, and it actually helped me know what that
buck was doing. And because I had gone into his
bed and jumped a deer and I was wondering if
if it was that buck or not. And all of
a sudden, just that night, that buck started showing up
(15:38):
at his place, and so I knew that I had
bumped that buck out of his bed in this area,
you know, and it was a place that he had
been before, and at least I had a strong suspicion.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
You know, when you talk about hunting a specific area
and how that works, you know, I'll be more specific
to where I'm at in the West, you know, I
do a lot of backcountry wilderness hunts, you know, where
you're four or five miles deep in certain canyons, certain places,
and a lot of times I'm kind of looking for
places that other people don't want to go. Yeah, and
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so when you find somebody else back there, it's an
easy conversation because you already recognize there's some like mindedness
between us, Like when you talk about going to a
certain area, like out here in Colorado, Like if I
pull up to a trailhead and the same truck is there,
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or those kind of things. A lot of times I
realize we're probably hunting the same species. We probably have
a passion for, you know, something similar. We're probably looking
at similar trains. When we're doing e scouting and other
things like that, Like you start realizing there's probably some
overlap in the way that we see our.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Approach to hunting.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So I think a lot of times when people are
trying to find a hunting buddy, they're looking for some
level of compatibility in the way.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
They want to it's their game.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And I think when you pull up to a trailhead
and somebody else is at that same trailhead, rather than
seeing that as competition or an enemy or man, this
is just the frustration of public land. I mean, right,
and yeah, those those things exist, like there's some some
level of truth to that, but I also see that
as man, these are probably some like minded people, and
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these are these are my new buddies. Yeah, there's just
you know, like a laboratory retriever out there. You're just
so happy to see somebody you need something. And I mean,
I can't tell you how many times too, when you're
back in a canyon and you meet somebody and if
somebody's got an elk down like it's but yeah, you
can help people, like legitimately help people, and you know
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in the midst of that, like you help pack somebody's
animal out like you get.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
A bond, yeah, you know. And the other thing that
I mean, even a platform. I'm like Hunt League. I mean,
whenever I went up to Oregon, a lot of those
guys that are really helping each other each other out
met each other through the through the app, and so
it could be something like even an app, I mean.
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And whenever I got my big buck, there was a
guy that I had met at the archery shop that
we exchanged info, like you seem like a pretty good dude,
and we've been keeping up. Well, he can help me
drag out my buck the other day. Now we're gonna
go hunt some public land tonight, you know, together after
we record this. And so I think it's one of
those things where you have to have a mindset where
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you know you're not against other hunters and you just
have to have kind of that that thought that there.
You know, it's not something you want to walk out alone.
And uh, you know, you also don't go into it
like starving for like needy, you know, or or trying
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to like puff yourself up like you are the best
hunter in the world, like you just have to. Really,
I think authenticity is the thing that has sold me
on everyone that I hunt with or that I exchange
information with. It's people aren't aren't like ruffling up their
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feathers and puffing up like. It's just good guys who
are authentic, who like to do the same things that
I like to do.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And it doesn't even have to be.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Like you know, Garrett and Cody up in Oregon, like
I like to use them because it's they're just really
good guys and I know everything that's going on in
their elk season, in their blacktail season, like, and those
are animals that I don't chase, but I mean, we're
a voice of support for each other. We're just like
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they get excited and pumped up for when I succeed.
I get pumped up and excited for when they succeed.
And that's really what you're looking for. It doesn't always
have to be someone local. It doesn't have to be
somebody you know, I think. I think sometimes you just
have to have the mentality that you know, you cast
a wide net, and who you connect with and really
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jive with is who you you know, who you just
jive with, you know?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, No, I mean I think about like what the
hunting gap has done for me When I created it,
I wanted to have the opportunity, like I really built
it just for me and my friends for are elk counting,
Like I wanted to have a detailed journal where we
could sit in at the end of an elk season,
we could go through our notes together, we could share
some notes, we could see, all, right, what time of
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year was this happening? This happening, so that we could
actually become better elk hunters. We could use the information
that we were gathering in the field and hopefully record
it in a way that we weren't going to forget it.
So the original intent of Hunt League was really just
building an app that me and my buddies could use
to become better elk hunters.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
As you start.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Building it, you realize like, well, you don't really just
release like an app in the app Store that is
like a private app just for you and your buddies.
So it expanded to other species. It expanded to like, well,
I was like, well, surely, like if this is good
for me and my buddies, like other people and their
buddies would love to use this, And through as it evolved,
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you know, then there became leagues, and there became a
community page or people are sharing. So when you're talking
about Cody, like Cody's in Montana right now, you know,
out on his mule to your hunt, He's hoping that
the wind is going to die down because it's been
thirty five mile an hour the last couple of days. Yeah,
And I'm like, I know all these things because like
through this app, like it's connected with these guys, and
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these are guys that like you've hunted with Colby, and
it's through this connection of Hunt League that like all
these types of things have come together. You know, Garrett
was who you talked about, was instrumental and like he
invited me and my son. My son got his first
bear and organ when he was eleven years old, you know,
thanks to that invitation from Garrett. You know, like that's
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something that wasn't on our radar, that wasn't something that
seemed like in the realm of possibility. But that's where
like that simple invitation, the open door, the conversation, it's
really easy for sometimes I think some of the guys
that really struggle finding community or like man, I don't
have anybody, and they kind of it's guys that are
just trying to brag and show their own accomplishments and
(22:26):
they just need somebody to praise them for that. Well,
you put two of those guys in the same room
and they walk out as enemies because it was never
about celebrating the success of the other person. It was
I just need somebody to celebrate me and my success
in my ego. And it's like what I love about
the humbley gap is like, yeah, we have these leagues,
and we have these it's competitive where somebody wins, you know,
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a league title. Like just this past week we announced
the Sweet September League winner, which is an archery ELK league,
you know, and we had three finalists, one from California,
one from Oregon, one from Mississippi. Two of those guys
hunted out of state. One guy hunted Arizona, one guy
hunted Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
The Oregon guy hunted his own state.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But I'm talking to the judges about these three guys,
and those are all guys like I shouldn't really know
them in real life, you know, Like, but it's like
through the app that we've connected. Rich came out here
and hunted Colorado with me two years ago with a
guy with Tucker from Vortex. Daniel is a mutual friend
of my buddy Noah. He came out from Mississippi's been
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hunting with us. Oregon is Wolfgang trock Soul, who I
met through the app.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
But like I know, I remember Wolfgang Wolang's man. You know,
he's out blacktail hunting right now. He's got a blacktail season,
and I know what's happening. So I'm talking to these judges.
You know, So I got a judge from Missouri. I
got Racksaw from Missouri, Austin. I don't know if you've
met him. Colby's close to you, but awesome guy. You
should definitely get to know Austin. So I'll help expand
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your circle in this car.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Chris hog does you know archery because this is archery
specific league, Lucas Paul from Hogu Hunting, and Tom Diceing
who does mile high note game calls. Those guys were
like our judges panel, helping select the finalists, helping select
the winner. And I'm talking to them about each of
these finalists and their stories, and they're you know, I
can describe in detail all three of those finalists like season,
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and it's because I followed it the whole time. Day,
shared pictures, day, shared stories, you know, and it's like
we're already talking. Wolfgang asked me if I wanted to
go hunt Montana with him, like either next year or
the year after. Rich I think has five or six
points out here in Colorado and he's planning to come, uh,
you know, cashing those and I'll take him and we'll
go into a special unit here in a year or
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two when he draws.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know, Daniel, I got to.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Be there when he harvested his first ball this year,
Like I wasn't with him when he shot or those things,
but helped him with the packout. Like these guys have
become my community, my friends, the guys I spend my
fall with. And it's and it came about through you know,
this app, which was really built just to kind of
serve the group of guys that I hunt with, but
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it has really exponentially expanded my universe.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And it's how you and I met Colby.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And you know, I can't wait to hear hunting stories,
whether it's turkey, snow goose hunting, the.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Next I need to get better at logging stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I just never think about it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You're basically the worst, but.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I really am.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I'm not ever going to fault people for
that though, because everybody likes you know.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
It's like, what do you want out of a hunt?
What do you want to record? What do you want
to take away?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I'm a guy that likes the I like the journal side.
I liked I like tracking stuff. I like seeing where
I've been. I like seeing how much work I've put
into something like I can look in my app right
now and tell you how many days I've worked out
this year. I can tell you how many days you know,
I've shot my goals at the beginning of the year.
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Where there's three daily checkboxes, there's uh, there's one that's.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Called invest which is investing yourself for others.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And that's a little bit of something where people can
define that in a different way, meaning that could be
your practicing, your ELK calls, your turkey calls, you're you're
listening to podcasts, you're doing an ELK one oh one,
like course, you know, like you're investing yourself, you're investing
in others, you're mentoring somebody. It's a little bit ambiguous,
but it's ambiguous for a reason because certain leagues might
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want to define that invest in a certain way, and
so we kind of allow that to be. But like
if I were to ask you, all right, you check
this box one hundred and fifty times this year, what
does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Then you should be able to answer what that means?
For me?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That invest is I'm using it is my daily Bible reading.
It's like I'm investing in myself and that has nothing
to do with the hunt, but like that's what I'm
chruo going to use that for because I know likes
I stay connected, you know, with the Lord, and I'm
full of the word like I'm a better person. I'm
going to be better for everybody to hunt with. I'm
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going to be more at rest in my spirits, soul,
all of that stuff. So that's an important part for
me because I want to be able to go into
a hunt, I want to be able to go into
time with my family all of that stuff feeling like man,
i am connected with the Lord and I'm walking in
his power, not my own.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So that's the invest for me.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Their train is how many days I'm training in the gym,
And you can only check that box once a day,
So even if you did two in a day, you're not.
You don't get two workouts, just one one checkbox a
day and then the other one is shoot, so how
many times you shot. So at the beginning of the year,
I wanted to do at least three hundred invest, two
hundred train, one hundred shoot, and I'm proud to say
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it is November twentieth and I have completed.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I've already succeeded.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I'm getting over three, two hundred and one hundred on
all those things this year. But what's fun about that
is I can see that like people that are using
the app actively, Like I saw that Rich Mays who
just won the Sweet September Archery League, he shot his
bow over two hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Days this year, which that's just impressive. You know.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's like meditation and the works that these guys are
putting in and I can see and keep track of
that just in the app, which has been a really
It's added a lot of value to me. But I'm
not going to fault you Colby for not checking all.
I know you work out three sixty five. I'd be
a two a day guy, but yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
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But I'm not going to fault you for not checking
those boxes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Getting there, getting there, Well, we're kind of coming to
a close on time. But the last thing that I
want to say is I want to talk about a
few red flags. So whenever you are finding these people,
there's a few things that you should look for, or
if you find yourself being this type of person, you
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might want to assess. But one thing is is I
never want anybody to feel like they need to when
they send something to me, like a photo of something
that they got. I don't want them to feel like
they ever have to say not the biggest, you know, decent,
you know whatever. Like I don't want to have a
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relationship to where somebody feels like if they share something
with me that I'm want to look at it with
some sort of inferiority thing or that you know, I'm
not gonna come back with like should have let it
whatever or should have whatever. It's like, oh man, that's awesome,
Like I don't care if it's got a half a spike,
you know, like uh, you know, and like as far
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as bears, I'm gonna celebrate. I'm gonna celebrate whatever. Anytime
that somebody punches the tag it shit it's it. It success,
you know, it's a cause for celebration. A plan came together,
even if it was on accident, Like something came together
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and all of a sudden, they've got they've got a fur,
a hide, and maybe some antler. And and that's something
that I see over and over again on social media,
Like if you go on Facebook, people will unless they
shoot a two hundred inch buck, they're gonna be like
not the biggest or you know, you know, I'm happy
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with it, or you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I hate that culture.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And that's something that I really like about Hunt League
is I don't see guys whenever they post stuff, putting
that on the front end. It's like they know that
everybody's gonna be pumped that that they succeeded. And a
lot of guys are even you know, adult onset hunters,
you know, guys getting into it. And I think that's
really the culture that we need to build inside of
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the hunting community. You know, it's never going to be
that way on social media. There's too many trolls and
too many people wanting to show that they.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Know more than the next guy or whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But when you want to surround yourself with people who
you know first off are going to celebrate your accomplishments,
celebrate your success, and then they'll reserve any critiques. If
you're searching it out, you know, there might be things
that you might have questions, like, well, I got this one,
(31:30):
I was trying to get on the other one. Do
you think, Like, how do you think I should? You know,
if I'm wanting to to Just like, I had a
guy the other day that he's just getting into whitetail
hunting and he had decided that he wanted to start
out with a trad bow and I was like, man,
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that'd be really cool if you can pull it off.
And I was like, you know, just I just told him.
I was like, you have to decide what your success
equation is if it's tradbo and white tail. I'm like,
be prepared to for frustration. I'm like, you're you're inviting
a lot of hardship inside of a process that you
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know you're not gonna probably taste success for a while
and it's gonna be a harder road. But if that's
what you feel like you want to do and it's
important to you because you want to make it hard, man,
go get it. You know, it's like, but the thing
is is we fall. We fall in this in this
this rut to where either we're trying to push our
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goals and the things that are important to us on
somebody else, or we are pulling that off of other
people and trying to put it on our own selves.
You know, like if you wanna if you want to
hunt deer over a feeder, like over bait, like I
do that sometimes I love it, but there's a lot
of times like I'll never hunt the bait that I
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put out. I'll go hunt other areas. And you know,
like it wouldn't matter if I'd killed this buck overbate
or not. A lot of things had to go right
for that to come together. I had to come up
with a game plan. I had to have the wind right,
I had to have the right scenario. I had to
figure things out. It wasn't by accident, and even if
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it had been some other buck I had no history with,
it would have been awesome and I don't. And I
want to make sure that that's something that we're thinking
about is you know, just need to be supportive for
however people do it. And that's something that we see
inside of the bear hunting world, where you know there
are guys that are hard against baiting bears. They have
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no idea what it's like. Even if they say that
they do. They have whatever experience they have, but their
experience is going to be granular on on some level.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, I could go into a whole discussion by that.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I did my first baited bear hunt this year, and
I can't even begin to tell you how much I
learned Kolby through that experience. And I told I went
with Arkain Optics, I went with Josh Greer, and he
invited me on this bear hunt and I just said, hey, look,
I've never done a baita hunt. I don't know exactly
how I feel about it yet, and I don't ever
want to shoot an animal that I don't feel. I
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don't ever want to feel pressure to shoot an animal like.
I don't want to be in a situation and feel like,
you know, if I don't kill something, it's not a success.
And I told him upfront, I said, hey, success is
going on this trip with you, getting this time, seeing
animals up close, all of that, being able to capture
some on camera. That is success for me. Whether or
not I get an animal is not dependent on It's
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not how I define success.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So I kind of let him know, and I was like, I.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Just need you to be okay, Like if I get
up there and I just don't feel good about shooting
an animal over bait, are you okay with that? So
we kind of had that discussion. But I could dive
into that whole thing, and there's a whole story there
of how much I learned, what I loved about, how
much it actually can benefit the population. There's there's a
whole story there that we won't go into. Party at
the end of the time, Yeah, I would just say, like,
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you know, when it comes to the community side and
how you respond when somebody sends you a message instead
of like thinking about like projecting your thoughts about that.
You know, it's most of the time, I mean almost
every time if somebody sends you something, it's you know,
they're looking for some kind of form of agreement, congratulations,
just affirmation, like they're wanting to share their story. You know,
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it's like, this is my story. I want to share
it with you, whether or not it's the story they
want it or not. And then I think that a
more appropriate response is, like you know, what did you
learn from this experience? Like I think that's always the
best because I want to be a constant learner. I
want to learn every time. And like somebody may have
taken that smaller buck for a reason, and rather than
just judging somebody based on they shot a small buck,
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you know, that's there's somehow a fault in that. It's like, no,
tell me the story, Like I want to know the
story of everything that went into it. What made you
pull the trigger on out? Why'd you decide? How did
that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All that?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
And like if you shot that buck and you don't
feel good about it, or you feel like you have
to hide behind it or you you know, it's like, well,
don't shoot another buck, like in the future, like if
you're not going to feel good about it, Like, don't
don't shoot an animal that isn't and it's not because
the size the animal should be the thing that brings
you joy. But it's like if you if it's not,
if you don't feel good about it, like don't don't
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take the life of an animal, you know, But it's
like you can learn from those experiences. So helping people
self reflect on that and gain that experience. Like then
they can make that determination next year and they can say,
you know what, I was just as happy taking this
button buck as I would have been this other one
because it just did something for me. Yeah, you know,
next year they're not going to feel bad about taking
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the same button buck because they they just you know,
they're thankful and grateful for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
And all that. So I think looking for like what
did you learn from it?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Is all he is going to be a better takeaway
than how you can tell somebody the lesson that they
should have learned.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
No, And I think that we have to understand whenever
you're starting something, there's a maturity process that goes through
and like and also like the ending part of that
maturity process is all related to you and not like
a hunting community as a whole. You know, like at
some end of a maturity process, some guys will just
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be hunting for meat. They're like, I've attained everything that
I want. I just want to put meat in the freezer.
Some guys are like, I want to hold out and
kill the most mature animal that I can. Some guys
go out and they're like, I want to do it
the hardest method possible. I want to shoot a self
bow with wooden shafts, you know, like yeah, this, that
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or the other. And I think that's important to know
that you're that what it is, the way that you
do it is, it's really a personal a personal development,
Like it's a it's very personal to you and not
anyone else. And you know, tying it back to community
and tribal like you want people surrounding you that will
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support support the things that are important to you and
without any any like pushing or pulling, you know, just
people that authentically want you to do well and you know,
and talking about success. You know, this year as of
right now, I haven't killed a bear in Arkansas. We
(38:36):
we baited. The weather was bad, well not the weather,
the the hard mass like just dropped all at once
and and early, and bears weren't hitting baits like we
tagged out in our zone in less than.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
A full week or right out a full week last.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Year, and we hadn't even I mean we're a couple
months into the season now and we haven't even punched
the initial quota and so it's just a hard year.
Well after not seeing a bear the first day that
we sat. I had had some cameras that were seeing
bears pretty consistently on a pond on public and so
(39:18):
I went out there and I and I sat down
and hunted the evening. And the first time that I
tried to go find a bear on public land, it's
like I found a bear on public land. I had
a bear come in. I could have shot it, and
I decided to pass on it. But that was the
biggest success that I could have had. And I didn't
come out with some fur meat or anything, you know,
(39:41):
And I saw the bear and it's like, you know,
if it would have been anybody else, i'd have been like, hey,
that's a bear that you saw in public, like shoot it.
But for me, it's like I had just come back
from I got a big bear in Canada. I don't
need the meat, and to shoot this bear would just
be like me punching the tag, like I don't need it.
(40:04):
But the success was in finding a bear and seeing
the bear and having an opportunity where I could have
harvested it. And you know, I could attend ring this bear.
I mean it was seventeen yards, it was standing still like.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It would have been done.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
And but I decided to pass on it, and that
bear went out there and started swimming around in the
in the pond in front of me, and I was like,
this is just the coolest experience. And if I'd have
shot that bear would have taken away from the experience
because it's like I value that more right now than
I do actually pulling a critter out of the out
of the wild. And so that's you have to decide
(40:46):
what your success equation is. And then everybody that I
shared that experience with, nobody was like, oh, you should
have shot it. They were like, man, that's awesome, you know, yeah,
and uh, and that's what you want. That's those are
the people that you want sur to surround yourself with,
and you want to be that person inside of your
group two that you want people to share things with
(41:08):
you and know that it's like you're just going to
be there for then you know, absolute support.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So yeah, you know, when I look at like social
media stuff, a lot of times social media you want
to highlight kind of the special success moments. You're only
wanting to post the picture with you with the big
animal or those types of things, and it's it's really
more or less about the accomplishment and you're you're not
sharing the journey. What I love about the Homtling community
and the Honley Gap is I like seeing the post
(41:37):
of like Cody you mentioned earlier, his post that he
put up yesterday saying, hey, it was super Wendy. You know,
the conditions were terrible, but we still were able to
locate some that was a huge win. And I look
at it and I'm like, those are the things where
I'm like, man, I can't wait to hear what happens
today because it builds on it and you're actually capturing
(41:58):
the whole story, not just like the highlight moment or
not just you know, the sitting behind the antlers or
sitting behind the big bear piled up. It's like, I
want to know every I love being a part of
the journey. And I think what's special about hunt League
is like it's a place where you can share what
some people would call their failures or failed attempts, like
your story of seeing that bear. That's what we celebrate
(42:22):
inside the Huntley community because it's you know, it's like
that's what it's all about, like getting out there and
having those experiences, logging the fact that you saw a
bear on public land.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And so you know that that's what we want to
be able to celebrate, and that that's what I really
love about, you know, the way that that app is
designed compared maybe to like the highlight reel of what
you would see like on a YouTube video or just
a social media post.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, well cool, Well I think that is a
good place to shut her down. But uh yeah, uh,
if you guys want to check out the Huntley Gap,
it's a it's a pretty pretty cool app. I'm kind
of curious how some of you hound guys could log
stuff in there to keep up with what your dog's
doing and how they're how the puffs are coming along
(43:08):
a stuff too. I bet you guys can find some
use out of that.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
But yeah, I'd be interested too, even getting some hound
guys on there, just how they how they use the
app and what they would maybe want to see happen,
because I don't have experience with hound hunting, so I'd
love to get some feedback even from some of those
hound hunters saying, hey, you know, here's how you have
(43:32):
this set up to like log these hunts. You know,
here's what would be helpful for US houndsmen, because I
think that would be a really cool thing.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
There's a lot of people they would love to see.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
What happens on a hound hunt just so they like
see the experience of it. And if we had people
journaling that, you know, it'd probably get a lot more
people interested in wanting to go booking those trips that
type of thing, just because they can see, you know,
the inside story of what goes on inside of hunting.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah. Plus you can track.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I mean, you'd be able to log how much a
dog ran on a particular day, when's the last time
you ran them, how many days you hunted that dog,
and then whenever you go to do some trading around
you can tell somebody exactly what kind of dog they're getting,
how many bears they've been on, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
So yeah, yeah, well cool. Well thanks Jered, We'll catch
you next time. Appreciate it, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
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