Bodybuilder explains why testosterone is the new “limitless” pill

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like low testosterone is is just it's how it is
these days. Kids in their twenties twenty five. I mean, well, dude,
guys that have never taken their blood work and I
tell them the first time, go get your blood work done,
and you know they come back with that.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Bro, I remember the first time I ever well, I
mean we'll just wait talk.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Where are your corner? The real quick though? Am I
looking big or like I might do it?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
I decided I was gonna keep my shirt on to
keep myself humble here everybody, you know, spare everybody's feelings?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yo? Are you?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are you natty or not?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah right?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I mean I almost brought the tank top, but I
wasn't gonna do that to you.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Probably you want better. We flipped a coin. I'm like, yo,
who wants to ask them to do it with our shirt?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're just gonna have you sit here with fucking no
shirt on, straight.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Liver king style. Yeah, just like the CNN interview.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah exactly exactly, beating up, fucking you know, sweating fucking
red face, especially.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
In this seat. Bro. I mean, I've been training clients
and one hundred and fifteen degree weather. I'm not used
to that.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yo, that's it. That's actually maybe interesting topic to kick
it off. So, you know, liver King, he's obviously you know,
blew up what three you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Three four is out of jail apparently, like really he's
been going crazy on Instagram again. Yeah, he's going I've
been keeping up with it that much. But Netflix released
did you see the you know, like the untold documentaries
that they do, Yeah, so they made one on liver King.
If you have it, you should go watch it for sure.
I mean it goes in the in the deep like
dark place of him, Like, yeah, you guys will be

(01:29):
into you for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
That's cool though, I don't know, bro, like, I mean,
I think what he did was like good. I mean
this guy, bro, like, you tell him that he's just
start eating little puppy food, you'll get jacked.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I just started getting my puppy, the farmer's dog. That
ship looks easy to eat. Man, it was real food.
I'm all about quick digestion man, and getting stuff you
know faster.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
You went away for a weekend, yo, go straight up,
straight up. Have you have you had like raw liver?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
No? Never, I've taken the liver supplement, but I've never
never never eaten balls.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, if he.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Went away for a weekend, like a retreat weekend, was
doing cold plunges, fucking doing shit back.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, he sent me a picture boat just eating.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Us for all liver.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'm like, I'd rather be fair.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's the way I'd rather be fat, living the ancestral tenets. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I guess I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Man, I'm into that though, like not not so much.
Maybe the deliver, but like the modality is the cold plunging,
Like I've been on that way for years. Man, Yeah,
I was doing it before it was a trend. I
love that ship.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Okay, I was gonna ask you so so cold plunging.
I've heard a lot of mixed reviews.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Sure. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Some people says it's it's absolutely phenomenal for you, all
these all these benefits. I actually hear some bodybuilders say
from a from like a growth perspective and muscle building perspective,
it's actually not the best for you. What's what's your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I'm all about, you know, Antidoto experience, and I'm proof.
I've been cold bludging for three years and I've put
on thirty forty pounds of muscles, So I think I'm like, well, yeah,
talking shit there, but no, so that what you're talking
about I've seen and my coach was the one that
turned me on to it. But just because it's become
a trend, people like to pick that apart. They like

(03:11):
to overcomplicate things. Right at the end of the day,
if you feel good, do it. If not, then you know,
stay away from it. But the study, you know, I
think that you're referring to was it was one of
those you know, Instagram kind of clickbait journal studies, and
it said I think, like I don't know the exact percentage,
but that you know, because it takes you out of
an inflammation state to do it post workout, probably is

(03:34):
an ideal. Yeah, but if you're doing it is separate
from your training or like how I do on rest days,
I think it's absolutely beneficial. Okay, oh so you only
do it, but I have done a post workout and
it's like, yeah, you know, I mean I wouldn't I
wouldn't choose that. It's not ideal, Right, It's like it's
like anything else, the timing, the deployment of it, Uh,
it matters. But at the end of the day, like

(03:54):
that's in a perfect world, right if if the only
time you could have access or do it post workout, Like,
don't let that be the reason you're not doing it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
To each his own. I think it's always funny, like
people come out with these like blanket statements like oh,
like if you do this, this is gonna happen, Like
you shouldn't do this.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's like, but this is that.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
That shit gets tricky too, bro, because it was a
time on like TikTok on Instagram, like yo, spinach is
bad for you, don't fucking eat that, or like, uh,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's like it's real easy.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I see why a lot of people get like kind
of overwhelmed by it, bro, because just you go over here,
Yes it's bad and alwa's bad, and I'm sure people
are just like, bro, fuck it.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Like it's just at the end of the day, it's
Instagram has become so much like media and news, like
they're just trying to scare you with everything. Yeah really yeah,
they're trying to make healthy things sound unhealthy or vice versa.
So yeah, you can't believe everything you see. You know,
you gotta be careful of the content that you take
in but yeah, you know I I I'll haven proof
right here, Broy. I mean our clients freaking out sending

(04:49):
me those studies and yeah it doesn't need to be
so black and white like you said.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
So so okay, height and wait right.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now, I'm six feet tall. I'm I'm this off season
up teetered between two seventy eight and two hundred and
ninety pounds, so I'm right about two eighty right now.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Fucking massive, bro.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
So the reason why I said because I'm listening to
you like what we're talking about. But I also the
reason why everything is here, bro, because like I met you.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think I threw the instagra.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
We connected on social media instag a year ago, maybe
a little little bit more. Yeah, and when I was
working with the clinics, that's right, Yeah, I saw you there.
I think, say your lab working, I'm pretty sure I
think so, Yeah, you found me on Instagram like a creep.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, I was like, Yo, who the fuck is I've
never seen anybody that big, bro, sitting down you're eating
like a fucking tub of something.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm like, I mean, that's right, I remember, I remember.
Now you came into the office. Yeah, yeah, no, I
mean that's like the tupper words that most people prap
out of. That's typically what I'm eating out of, you know,
like it's.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Huge, just like this.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
But he's anyways, he's my he's for anybody watching like
he's been my my, my coach, my di dietician, my
training coach.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And that's what we're here. Bro, thank you for taking
the time.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm actually gonna put you on the spot. Have you've
been You've been following uh the plan he gave you?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Ask him.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
He's at his moments, he's doing better recently.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
You know, I'm locked in. Its new for me, but look,
I'm not an excuse guy. It's very new for me
to to like check in and do and take pictures
and write everything down because I'm like and I'm not
an excuse guy. Yeah, but it's the same shit every day, right,
and I'm just like, okay, and I'll.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Get to it now. My accountability is.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Sometimes I don't send the pictures or I don't do that,
but I see you every two weeks, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I'm very honest.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm like Robin, I've been tripping. I'm been doing ship.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Success is boring, my friend.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, but it's good though.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
The reason why I think what's opened my eyes is
that whether we check it or not, I have the
privilege of cutting your hair. So I'm gonna see you, bro,
You're gonna see it.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And let me tell you that that forty five minutes
an hour of this guy, he's he's twenty questions right here.
It's good of it. It's his his intesting his curiosity. Yeah,
I mean, and look, I mean that we can segue
that into like that's an example of you know, that's
the average person trying to make time and have these
like you said, you know, boring monotonous actions every single day,

(07:16):
compound it over time. It's like like you're saying Instagram,
everyone's trying to find the next big thing. It's it's
really just consistency breeds results. So, like the same way
that you know most Americans can get themselves to a
place where you know they're unhealthy, it's it's gonna take
just as long, if not longer. Like you spend two
three years, you know, treating yourself like shit, it's gonna

(07:38):
take about the same to get to a better place.
But day by day with those actions, like you will
achieve that if you put in said, work every day.
Yeah yeah, lay a brick man, that's how I say it.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yep, definitely, But no, I I tell people all the time,
like you know, it's it's different, like having that accountability
and that person's gonna be like was checking it?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Where's that? I think it's been.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
It's been the best to like get you on the horse,
but that falling off shit is not gonna whether you
check it once a week, once a month, or you
see that person in person trainings.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's I think it's the best thing ever, bro, And
like I'm getting on the horse even though we've been doing.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
This a few months and it takes as long as
it takes, Bro, Like I've I work with in person,
I work online, and you know, some people get it
right away. Some people like, yeah it is it's it's
very much more mental than physical. But once you can
connect the two together, and like you said, most people
are not used to much less eating or training on
a on a on a program, but more so making

(08:31):
the time to check in, like taking pictures, doing these
actions that you know would be considered not normal to
most people. It's like, yeah, you just like the same
way you brush your teeth, Bro, you gotta make time
for that every single day. Yeah, yeah, those pictures. It
really only takes twenty minutes to taking pictures, and pictures
don't lie, bro, Like you said, it's like there's a
reason we don't want to take pictures because we're our
biggest critic. And then it's accountability, like you're messing up

(08:53):
during the week, like it's gonna show in those pictures.
You ain't got to say a word.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, fat as fuck those pictures. I take them to
lead them after I take.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Data. Man.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, you know, I think the I've kind of got
to know the bodybuilding community quite a bit in the
last couple of years, and I probably think the most
interesting thing to me was I had this perception and
honestly shout out to all the fucking you and all
the people in the bodybuilding community just putting in the
fucking work. I always had this. I always had this

(09:25):
perception that it's like, oh, you want to be like
a big bodybuild, you want to be like massive, you
want to be fucking you know, Arnold Ronnie Coleman, fucking
Sea Bum like any of these like iconic people that
you see. You know, all you gotta do is, uh,
you know, take a couple of pills, Papa, maybe a
couple of meals, and you magically just you know, get huge.
And I it's honestly crazy the amount of like and

(09:50):
we'll dive into this, but like food consumption, like food
consumption alone, like the the amount I mean, I'm seeing
guys putting four, five, six, seven, eight hundred, you know,
carbs on like a daily basis, Like that's plus.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I was just like, I mean, yeah, well, we'll obviously
get into it, but I was really mind blowing it.
And it was like, it's different. It's you know this,
it's different eating four or five hundred grams or a
thousand grams of of fucking clean carbs as as fucking
dirty carbs.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Like I just drink two hunter grams of carbs on
the way over here.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, it's crazy, crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
But that's my post workout on a normal day. You know. Yes,
I got I forget even how crazy it is.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Let's before we get into that conversation, let's let's bring
it back just a little bit. We just kind of
started chit chatting, yeah for for a little bit here,
Let's just let's talk a little bit about you know,
you you know, where you're from. You know how you're
obviously out in Vegas here now, so in the bodybuilding space,
online coaching, you know, I see yeah gas going on

(11:01):
really really in the whole community as a whole. So
just yeah, I talked a little bit about where you're from,
how you got you know, into the space.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let's hear it, absolutely bro no first off, but thank
you guys for having me truly. Yeah, you know, my
story starts. I'm originally from Baltimore, Maryland, so East Coast
at heart. I spent the first eighteen years of my
life there before I went to college. And you know,
I'll skip like we can get into the bits and pieces,
you know, more so about what got me into bodybuilding.
I'll condense that part of the story. But essentially I was,

(11:31):
I was an athlete growing up. You know, I went
down to school. I had bad habits growing up, you know,
growing up back East. It's like stuff just happens way
earlier there. Like I got in most of my trouble,
you know, like my hardships as a kid from probably
age sixteen to twenty was like where I was a
real you know, piece of work, and I took those

(11:52):
habits down into college. But the difference was, you know,
I didn't have sports anymore. So, yeah, I got injured
in sports. I played football, lacrosse. The goal originally was
to play one of those in college, and when I
lost that, that really derailed me mentally. You know, I
wasn't so much into the gym at that age. Like
I went and did the football workouts because I had to.
But it wasn't you know, by choice. That came later.

(12:14):
But you know, again not to get too much into that,
but I went down and I joined a rattorney at
a SEC school. So you can imagine how that capisigma
so at Ole, Miss So I went to the University
of Mississippi, you know, did the whole football game, like
really just did everything that you could possibly do it.
Like I got that experience, that for year experience in

(12:35):
about a year and a half, bro and I got
out of there. So not by choice, yeah, no, I
mean just just being in the party scene, like going
to the football games. Like I mean the fraternity scene
in the South is like like it's just a whole
whole thing like a brotherhood. But more so like that's
what I'm saying, like to have a social life done there.

(12:57):
You you pretty much have to do it. And I
went into when I stop playing sports, like that was
my goal. You know, I pretty much I've always been
one hundred percent guy, bro. Like I was one hundred
percent when I was into sports, and then when I
was partying, I was one hundred percent in the party
in yeah, and that's I took that energy and I
channeled into something positive. And there was a lot that
happened between you know, that twenty year old kid to
you know now turning twenty eight this month. But you know,

(13:19):
the last I would say about eight years that was
I went to rehab. So I was in rehab in Utah.
I went, oh, yeah, no, I went to old about
I guess I was nineteen twenty years old. Damn I was.
You know, I was in a facility. You know, I
was in a I guess you could say like like

(13:43):
it was basically like jail, bro. I mean it was
a really nice jail, but you know, no like totally
with yourself, like no electronics. You know, they they took
you two places, essentially, the grocery store in the gym.
I was like, I get the hell out of this place.
So that's that's originally what got me in the gym?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
What did you? Uh if if you don't know me
asking what did you go in for?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Uh? So? I mean I was just partying in college.
Like it was more of a rich kid party scene,
you know what I mean, like Xanax and cocaine was
specifically what was rampant? You know. I would say the
pills more than anything was what got me off track.
But yeah, no, it's a like I said, man, it
was something I'd never seen going down there And yeah,
the mental space I was in as a kid and

(14:21):
it uh I took a turn for a second. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
How long was uh? How long was rehab?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I was in structured living you know, actual facility for
about three months, and then I was in uh what's
called sober living, so where you would live and take
drug tests like basically in an apartment and you answered
to somebody, I was I was basically in that for
almost a year. Wow, yeah okay.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
And then during that time, like was they were other
people going to the gym or were you like, oh
is this or the gym? What I'm gonna go to
the gym?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Was it like a crew?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
It was basically like an hour like that they were
to have a bus and if you wanted to go,
you could go, and you know, some people went. But yeah,
it was more just people trying to change their lives.
Like I didn't get into bodybuilding, like thinking, you know,
when I made that switch later on, like when I
got so I was in Utah for about three months,
then I went and did sober living in California, and
you know, before the last couple of years, California was

(15:15):
a pretty good place to live, believe it or not
what you see in the news, and it was just
West Coast living, you know, like it was. I'm from
the East Coast, so it was complete culture shock for me.
But everyone wanted to be in shape, so like I
developed that habit in rehab, but it was like cool
to be fit, and I feel like that's I found
an identity in that again because it gave me purpose.

(15:37):
It gave me structure, and I thrive in structure. So
it was like I felt like I had an opportunity
to be an athlete again.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
That's aw fascinating.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, so during that time, you weren't even really into bodybuilding.
Then you just wanted to go to the gym.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I just heard about the gym, like, I mean, I
grew up my dad was always a big guy. Like
I looked up to my dad. I mean, I looked
up to athletes, and I went in like I always
wanted to be as big as possible. Bro. Like when
I gave up and was like starting a new way
of life at twenty, I'm like, you know, at least
I got out of the way when I was young.
I can Yeah, yeah, I just I just want to
be I want to be big as I can and
feel good. That was that was my goal. Was very simple.

(16:10):
It was, Yeah, I just went to the gym because
I felt good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So after you know, you leave sober living, you're still
going to the gym. What what happens there? You go
back in with your parents?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
You kind of figured out. I was twenty years old
in Orange County, California, and I started my own business
and I went back to school originally, and my parents
were helping me out for a period of time. And
then you know, when I started to take Bodybuddy more seriously,
or I started to train people in person, and you know,
accepting payments on Venmo just kind of like like a hustle,
and yeah, it turned into something and it was like

(16:42):
I can make money doing this and just be in
the gym and training people all day. That was the
early stages of my business.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
So you already decent.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I mean you're tall, right, so you have a big structure,
but like you were already big enough to take like.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, you know, I mean I was. I was like
two thirty, you know, and kind of chubby. And then
the first time I like got shredded peel like, I
was probably about one ninety so, I mean on a
six foot frame, I wasn't much to look at, but
I had I had muscle.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, so it was
just people seeing you and seeing it work.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I responded to the gym really quick, bro, I like
I knew I could be really good at it. So I,
just like anything else, I became obsessed. I wanted to
know more, and I wanted to know how to do it.
I wanted to learn about nutrition, you know. Obviously other
things came down the line later when I made that choice,
like I want to be a professional. I want to
you know, go to the highest level in this sport.
And that was you know, I essentially started when I

(17:37):
was in rehab. I was reading Arnold Swartzene your books.
You know, we had have a little bit of TV time.
I was watching Generation Iron like I manifested that image
before I really was distracted by anything else outside, you
know what I mean. I was just going to ask
is there and I was in California, bro, So I'm like,
Gold's Venice is forty five minutes away, like this is
the place, Like this is like.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You're you're in the fucking like the book of that shit.
I was just gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Moved here, And that's essentially part of the reason I
moved here, man.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Because it was like, well, Vegas, dude, the Vegas bodybuilding
scene is fucking exploding. Have you been to the uh?
I know a bunch of like bodybuilder's been getting into
at the new new Tech gym.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've been seeing videos of it. Yet. Yeah it looks cool, man, Like,
I mean, I remember when Torture opened. It was that
was the beginning of it. But yeah, it's it's an
exciting time for fitness for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, dude, the Vegas scene is like there's more and
more like boutique bodybuilding type of gyms.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Like there's probably twenty gyms at this point, man, It's like, yeah,
I've been to all of them at this point. But
you know, again, back to California, it was like gold
Tennis was the place. Yeah, yeah, sure, that's where it
all started. So it was like I didn't get that
experience completely. But some of the old heads you know
from long back, we're like they're still there.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
And I was just gonna ask, is there a you
mentioned Arnold? I know, like everyone that like gets really
passionate about a sport, whether it's basketball, football, bodybuilding, whatever,
is there a certain person you look up to, like
you're like idle.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Arnold kind of started for me. I really like Jay Cutler, man,
he's the Veggas guy, but like just that old school,
you know, big white boy. I like Dennis Wolf as well,
Like that was the physique I looked up to because
I'm taller, but like just with Jake Color and bodies
and you know, again early on like the way that
I developed my mind, so I was like I want
to look like that. I want to be a big
white white boy. You know, I fit they kind of

(19:18):
fit that look a little bit. And I was like,
this dude's an absolute monster. I would watch all the
videos no pre workout and that was like all right,
like I want to get to close as close to
that as I possibly can. And yeah, now I'm walking
around at pounds you know.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Ye, it's like I did that.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I put every day since that as a twenty year
old kid man like I've been. I've been living like
a pro body. But ever since I got into this
and I knew like what that would take. And obviously
I've developed my tools, my trade, and yeah, I just
soak up knowledge everywhere I go from California to hear
but it's yeah, it's turned into something I never could
have imagined.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So this this kind of this period from California getting
serious to working out to you know, you almost twenty
eight in Las Vegas. What did what what did that
journey look like as far as like shows and preparation
everything like that.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Even before that, did you have clients when you moved here,
you were like, I'm going clean slates.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean I still had a couple online clients. I
like kind of promised my California I'll be like I'll
be back, you know, it's a quick drive. But as
soon as I got in, bro, yeah, no, I mean
and I took I took a break for a second.
You know, I got into a different line of work.
I was working with a hormone replacement clinic for when
I first moved to Vegas, which I was given that opportunity.
But you know, I went and worked for myself. And

(20:35):
you know, my online coaching business is the biggest it's
ever been. I do still train people in person, but
I essentially started fresh. Bro. I came over here with
a couple couple of g's and cash and you know,
debt to my name and dream.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Did you okay? So you know, you move here, you
get established.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I came here with the goal of getting more exposure.
I was not getting that in California anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So how long have you been out here?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Coming up on two years?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Coming up on two years?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
So I'm still pretty fresh. But I mean, just what's
happened in my life since I got here? It's like
it's felt much longer, for sure. I was in California
for six years. Go got it? Okay, gotcha?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
So when you did your so you know you're you're
you're living the life right here as a bodybuilder, right
diets doing good?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
You're getting big?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
What when at what point of that is, like I'm
actually gonna do step on stage.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I mean, I had that goal from the get go.
I just knew it would take time. And that's what Like,
I love that you asked that question, because in this
age of social media, like especially now, people are exposed
to bodybuilding, like the influencer kind of wave of the
last two three years. Like I feel like I got
in right before that, and I was able to see
like I got in with the right people at first,
and I went down to golds later and learned from

(21:47):
you know, the the legends Charles Glass, like Rico was
my first posing coach, just golden era guys that were
around flex wheeler, like you know, in the heart of it.
So I feel like I skipped a lot of that
bs out of the gate. I took three years before
I did my first show, Like I built my base,
my foundation for three whole years before I even thought
about stepping on stage. And I wanted to be a

(22:08):
bodyboater man. I didn't want to be men's physique. I
didn't want to do classic like. I wanted to take
the time and I did my first show in twenty
twenty two as a heavyweight bodyboard which still like I learned,
you know, at that point of experience, Like I thought
I was pretty big, man. I was two fifteen on
stage for my first show and I'm six feet tall
and I got smoked.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, like what's the what's that?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I was going against five eight guys that were you know,
the same weight or or heavier. So it's just like
I learned, no weightcap there. So I'm a super heavyweight now.
So that's basically no weight cap. You know, like before
you turn professional, they're in weight classes. So in bodybuilding,
it would be super heavyweight's the biggest that's over two
twenty five. Then the heavyweights are anywhere. I believe one

(22:53):
twenty five got it so below that there's still light heavyweight. Uh,
I don't even know like middleweight light weights, like it goes.
You know, there's guys that are one hundred and fifty pounds,
you know, peeled that go on stage, but they're like
you know five'. Two yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah evan's height you.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Know, yeah, no six feet like six feet is six
feet is like you, know it's not, short it's not,
TALL i mean in this, AGE i, guess but for a,
body but that's still pretty. Tall.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah So i'm, curious, well because you you mentioned that
you got here, before like you you stepped into the
game before all the influencer, stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
It was probably just. Starting, Yeah like it's it's so.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Much, around, right it's been. Around but you're seeing.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Those guys get success. Now, Man like back then people
kind of laughed at, them you.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Know, yeah because like now you're seeing influencers that are
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Kids man for sure making you, know a lot of.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Money we are probably most Popular Sam, Silk.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, NO i like.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Him yeahm Trend Twins i'm. Trying, YEAH i was gonna,
say that's WHY i.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Watched, yeah Trend twins are, wild. Bro, yeah they're fucking out.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
CHARACTER i like had heard all that out of the,
gate and THEN i was surprised how popular they. Became
i've Met sims who look a couple of. TIMES i
like that. Kid he's and he went out and won
his pro card like HE'S i give him the green
light like most guys OG's.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Do but some of it's, like, yeah, bro say what
you said WHEN i was cutting out the.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
House i'm old, school, Bro i'm old, school you.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Know, Yeah, WELL.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I feel LIKE i was supposed to be born in
that like nineties, Era like that's, Okay BUT i Like
i've gotten down with the. Concept like my girlfriend's helped
me a lot with. That but LIKE i was like
in the, dungeon you, know In, california Like i'm gonna
get so, Good LIKE i don't need to do social.
Media it's like it's it's the, age, Bro like you
have to do. It it's part of the.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
JOB i was gonna. SAY i think that's why that's
why so many people are rocking With Sam suluk is
because he's. Raw, yes he's.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Real he reminds me of like WHEN i first started,
lifting BEFORE i really knew. Stuff, yeah so WHY i
WOULD i go get chocolate milk And i'd make chicken salad.
Sandwiches i'd eat canes or in and out a couple
of times a, week AND i was walking around at
chubby two. Thirty but, like, yeah just wanted to get, big,
bro LIKE i didn't know what to. Do, yeah he
represents that like in a, sense you know WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Mean WHEN i think from it from like a YouTube,
perspective YouTube has gotten like so polished and so. Clean
you have all these people doing it's it's everything is
these like super sharp fine you, know edited, videos, transitions everything's.
Beautiful and and then you have you Have Sam Sulk
who's just, Like, Yo i'm gonna just like put my

(25:27):
phone on like my phone mount and like put it
like landscape mode And i'm just gonna drive in my
car and fucking talk for ten. Minutes, yeah and Then
i'm gonna upload it to fucking.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
YouTube, well he broke the.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Matrix bro during the time where people his age right
are on short form TikTok or like doing stuff like.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
That and even like.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Up until, him the only PERSON i can think of
that was in the bodybuilding space that was doing long
form content like that was The Hodge.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Twins do you remember?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
That of? Course, Man LIKE I i did have a
brief period like that was that's, old Like Hodge twins
way back and they're still. Thirteen like WHEN i was
like there was a point WHERE i was getting into
the gym a little bit in high school and LIKE
i go to YouTube AND i would watch The Odge.
Twins that was they were my. FACE i thought they were,
hilarious like they were. Authentic, yeah those guys are and like.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
What WAS i?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Saying oh, NO i was just gonna. Say it's like
and the one thing you can't take away From suluk
is LIKE i like that he's just this like lone
wolf that's just putting in the fucking. Work like people
can talk ship all day on, him but end of the, day,
dude he's he's a lone, wolf just working out filming by,
himself raw on edited fucking. Content he don't give a

(26:40):
fuck what he looks. LIKE i, MEAN i, mean, dude
he's like he had the the long, hair like the
dirty hat that he always, wore like he just had
this like he just he just had this, image bro
that like so many of these these influencer, guys like
you know how it.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Is breaking pictures With arnold And rownie just like in
a big.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Dude he just like he literally has like it just
all just Like HAYNES t shirt like planes playing big
OVERSIZED t, shirts some fucking sweatpants that he probably fucking
had for ten. Years like he just don't he don't
give a, fuck. Man and WHAT i loved is that
he was, Like, okay finally he's like fuck, It i'm

(27:19):
gonna fucking step on. Stage i'm gonna do my. Thing And,
bro he was getting so.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Much, yeah, bro he getting so much out of here In.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Vegas and then he won his pro. Card so he
won his pro card out.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Here you, know he went he went to The Arnold
amateur after so he came.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sorry, sorry YEAH.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I came, here and people were, like you, know it
was just it's funny because you, know we're in The vegas.
Scene but it was just it was The legends. Show you,
know it's just a, normal you, know same regional local
show At Alexis. Park but, yeah you, know the Whole
instagram was was talking about. It, yeah everybody was, like,
yeah you, know getting video updates from the. Show LIKE
i took a. VIDEO i had a buddy in the show,

(27:54):
actually and he ended up competing in so like BUT
i was thinking videos of my friend and then of
course like you know he's there or. Whatever but people
were like replying to my store like how do you
look in? Person, like, yeah, PEOPLE i, remember he was.
Crazy he was getting. Ship people really care about. Him
but he gets a lot of. Talk. Man yeah, sure BUT.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I remember even during that time where you responded to
a comment like, yo everybody fucking.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Relaxed fore he's, twenty.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's true and. Nuclear, yeah that got a lot of.
LIKES i forgot about. That yeah, yeah where it was
like it was on one of those. Videos yeah, yeah
it was like everyone was everyone's trying to get cloud
off the. Kid you, know they're making screen recordings like
the where they're talking with their face on the video
and like they don't really give a. Ship they're just
they're trying to catch his. Wave it's like it's, embarrassing,
Bro like thirty forty year old man like trying to

(28:38):
kot rout this kid and like get likes and comments and,
views and it's like it's, like chill, out, Dude like
he's doing his first. Show at the end of the.
Day it doesn't look Like Chris, bumpstead but like it.
Is He's. YEAH i mean he got on, stage he got,
peeled and he fucking won his. Class like the judges
thought he was the best body. Butter so like that's
what it, is you.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Know. Yeah do you do you think that let's put
our conspiracy? Hatsime?

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Bro do you think that bodybuilding as a whole would
have dropped down a level if he.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Didn't win that? Show what do you?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Mean, like do you think that people would have, like,
oh this is, Real like they didn't want to give
it to, him like there would have been so much
of a negative.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Response now he was still getting that response even when he,
Won like, yeah, yeah look at the end of the, day,
Bro like he won that first show fair and, square
And i'm not going to say anything about get him
getting his pro car. WHATEVER i wasn't. THERE i didn't
see who competed. Against but when people know your, name
when the, judges like he was already said to speak
at The arnold and then he went and did The

(29:34):
Arnold Amateur like it was an attraction just because of
his notoriety that he was already going to be at the.
Show and it's, like here's this. Storyline he's competing for
his pro car at the place where he's already freaking
speaking on the, panel you. Know so it's like he
was gonna get, it you know What i'm.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
SAYING i was just gonna, say like here.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Guys that were older than him and have been competing much.
Longer but like at the end of the, day like he,
did and he looked, Improved LIKE i think he's got
a good. PHYSIC i really, Do LIKE i don't have
any issues with.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
IT i think he looked fucking, solid and, unfortunately you
can you can say all you, want compare this that and.
Whatever end of the, day it's a fucking, business, bro
it is a Fucking it is a fucking, business and
it's there's there's that factor that's that's going to play into.
It and when LIKE i, MEAN i know plenty of

(30:23):
people in this, space end of the day about, bodybuilding
it's about fucking showing, up and it's about having the
judges know who the fuck you, are and you, know
like definitely.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Helps, yeah like you when you obviously gotta look like
when you're on the circuit and you're competing and you're
especially if you're on like a national, level when you're you,
know getting in those first, one, two three or top five,
consistently like it's a matter of time until it's your.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Time especially the girls like in bikini where it's like
literally like splitting. Hairs sometimes it could just be like
one girl looks better than the other in their, physique
but like they like her hair, better you.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Know or she's got, it she's got a prettier she
just got a prettier, face or you, know it's it's
kind of.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Crazy judging is nuts for.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Sure one Thing i'd like to dive into is so
you you talked, about you, know first show twenty twenty,
two stepped on.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Stage it really wasn't that long. Ago IF i think
about it and say, it oh it's three, years Then
i've done five, shows, Bro So i've competed for three
seasons or, yeah three seasons.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Now, Okay so talk about after getting rocked on your first,
stage you, know twenty twenty, two what what was your
mindset after? That like what changes did you?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Make SO i did The California stage twenty twenty, two
which is like the, biggest you, know The Mister. California
it's also a pro show In. California so it's like
that was like a cool, idea LIKE i moved, here
Like i'd like to win that. Show you know who
wudn't want to be Mister. California's so it was the
guys THAT i competed with in that, Show LIKE i
THINK i ended up getting sixth led, show and like

(31:53):
the guys in front of, me the other five were you,
know one went on to min when MISSED, usa another
one ded up In Classic. Zekee he's already won three pro,
shows like it was stacked for a for regional, show
which was like WHAT i wanted out of the. Gate you,
KNOW i JUST i LEARNED i wasn't as good as
maybe AS i, thought and that was like that's just
maturity in. Time BUT i just KNEW i need to

(32:14):
be bigger, man And i'm still chasing. That you, KNOW
i sit here at to eighty OR i was two
fifty on stage last, time but you know it's it's
just the standard has really come up a, lot. Man
SO i, Mean I'M i just did my first national,
show uh of The Olympy amateur last Last october twenty twenty.
Four but LIKE i became a super. Heavyweight so in

(32:35):
a super heavywhere LIKE i, said it's over two twenty,
FIVE i knew at my six foot, frame like, YEAH
i JUST i had a lot of mass to put.
On so you, Know i've been working with the same
coach now for four. Years we've really you, know hammered
some tissue over that period of. Time SO i just
wanted to debut as a super that next upcoming. Season you,
KNOW i was right over the weight cap AND i

(32:56):
still didn't do. GREAT i ended up getting fourth in
my second, show and THEN i grew a little bit.
MORE i did the next show AND i was that.
ONE i was in the. Running like was the first
time THAT i, was you, know in that top three,
comparison and, like, YEAH i went into. Finals people THOUGHT
i was gonna win that show AND i ended up getting.
Third so it was like same thing it. Was that
was The Mister. La so that was The La championship

(33:17):
be twenty twenty. Three you, KNOW i came in at
two thirty at that, show AND i was pretty fired
up going into that. OFFSEASON i KNEW i DIDN'T i
didn't go into that season. AGAIN i learned that time.
BEFORE i was, like, Okay i've definitely, grown BUT i still.
Don't LIKE i didn't THINK i was gonna go do
a national. Show like some people will get top two
or whatever they get at a local show and they're,
Like i'm going To USA's you know. WHAT i was,

(33:38):
LIKE i STILL i was humbling that SINCE i KNEW
i had work to. Do but the thing being a super,
heavyweight bro was like that second, SEASON i ended up
getting in class with a lot of, heavyweights so it
was like super heavyweight really isn't a thing. Anymore there's
not a lot of guys this size on the amateur,
level so you, know the only way to see that
was to do a national, show and that was or

(34:00):
the REASON i end up doing The olympia this past.
Year SO i got seventh at my first national. Show
the first time THAT i won was this past. SEASON
i won my class at The Legion Sports. Fest so you,
KNOW i came in that show again after that second.
Season So i'm skipping, around BUT i was two fifteen
twenty twenty. TWO i was two twenty, seven two thirty

(34:21):
twenty twenty three in those next two shows that, summer
and THEN i took another basically full. Year that was
WHEN i moved Into vegas and you, know got really
into the scene AND i had a really great, offseason
brought put on about twenty five. Pounds so this last,
SEASON i went my first show The. LEAGUES i was
two fifty on, stage and THEN i was like high

(34:43):
two forties at The. Olympia, okay so you, Know i'm
still like that's kind of Where i'm at. Now After
i've kind of gone through the stages and did that
first national, show AND i was, Like, okay this is
a new level of, competition and you, know my feedback was,
LIKE i have it, ALL i just need. Time so
it's it's kind of rewarding in that, sense LIKE i
Know i'm on the right. TRACK i Just i'm doing

(35:04):
myself a disservice If i'm. Competing so, Like i'm in
my first really extended off. Season Like i've always taken
good off, seasons it's been you, know eight, ten twelve,
months like a full year between the, shows but this, time,
well we're trying to figure out my next. Step i'm
not completely sure. YET i THINK i have an, idea
but you, know before the even the potential show date

(35:26):
would be that'd be about a sixteen eighteen month off.
Season so we're doing things a lot different this. TIME i,
Mean i'm you, know my heaviest, weight But i'm also
in some of the best Shape i've ever. Been like
this off season composition is a lot different than my last,
year and it's Just i'm taking more of a mature
dense you, know i haven't been doing this that, long,

(35:47):
Bro And i'm competing as a you, know the heaviest
body where you can get on amateur. Stage So i'm
just taking the time to build the mass man in
the right places, rather So i've learned through that process
because my goal was just to get. Big they get,
bigger and now it's Like i'm getting, bigger But i'm
doing it with more of an intention of purpose on specific. Muscles. Yeah,

(36:08):
yeah it's more refining than just getting. Huge you.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Know, Yeah, NO i was gonna, SAY i think The
That's that's Something I've i've noticed that's interested in the
space is there's there's people that have that mindset where it's, Like,
OKAY i have very of. OPPORTUNITY i need to, GROW
i need to put on, SIZE i need to be,
PATIENT i need to keep my ass in the. Gym

(36:31):
and then there's those other people that it's like they're
just chasing another show and another show and another. Show
And I've i've talked to so many PEOPLE i work
out A Dragon's layer and it's you, know there's a
lot of different bodybuilders that come, across and it's it's
really like there's those certain people that it's like they
keep doing more. Shows So i'm just trying to you,

(36:51):
know just trying to get my pro card and you,
know just trying to you, know place it you, know
you know, whatever and then it's like they're there's the
people that are Like, okay, well like, YEAH i go
get my pro show or my pro card at maybe
like a you, know small. Show but THEN i like
turn around and try to go do a pro show

(37:12):
AND i get absolutely like frickin'. Rocked so it's like
end of the. Day if you want longevity in the
sport and you really want to like have this be
like a, career and there's there's steps you got to,
take AND i, think, truthfully you just have to be patient.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Hundred percent, NO i, mean AND i learned that out
of the. Gate LIKE i was grateful in that sense
to have people that didn't bullshit, me you. KNOW i
MEAN i was given this not only a tall, frame
but a very big wide. Frame so it's like yeah,
again even at two, eighty Like i've got a lot
of room to put a lot of size. On. Man
and that's like it doesn't matter how good your genetics.

(37:51):
Are i'd consider myself on the genetic scale like pretty,
good you, know but it's like it's still you can't
rush putting on, muscle, dude well bro put in ten
years you know before you really see like a form
of a result if you're trying to, compete you, know
at the highest highest. LEVEL i mean the guys at
The olympia are thirty five even Forty.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, WELL i mean putting really some of, THEM i
mean looking, ranges you, know but like you, Know Samson
dada just on The, OLYMPIA i believe HE'S i mean he's,
no he's no shy of.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
FORTY i think he's like forty one or forty. Two,
yeah that's. CRAZY i Mean Derek lunz for his younger
but he's in a much Shorter i'm talking like in
a tall bodybutting. Sense like if you think about the
Tall olympia level body, butters you, know six foot and,
above they're there's only all in their late. Thirties, yeah
at LEAST i.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Was gonna, say because, yeah, putting putting on the size
and the, mass you need to compete number, one but
number two to put on that that size and stack
up next to five, six like five eight. Guys, Bro
like that's what people don't. Understand, Man like even like
you Know seabum for, example Like seabum seabums fucking you,

(38:56):
know six foot six, foot.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So he's taller than, THAT i believe six six one or.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
So, yeah, yeah BUT i mean people don't understand it's
like to be that tall and have like size and fucking,
Masks like it's a different fucking.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
World and, honestly, bro Like i've even gone through some
some searching with, this and you learn more every single.
Season but it's, like and especially even like, this, THIS
i like to think bodybuting is a very extreme way
to even explain like just the normal lifestyle guy, Too
like we all go through the same. Things we all
go through the same mental struggles in the sense of
like everyone is so focused on scale, weight whether you're like,

(39:33):
chew are you trying to lose weight and make a
transformation or you're trying to become a three hundred pound body,
Butter like it's three. Hundred like everyone comes to me,
like you're six feet, tall you should be three hundred
pounds if you want to be. Competitive it's, like, okay
well it takes time to get to that three hundred.
Pounds but why scale weight just doesn't mean as much
as people really. Think, Man like nobody's nobody's putting his

(39:54):
scale on the. Stage like at the end of, day
like you talk about a bump. Stead he went and
competed in the open. Class, yeah after His, olympia AND
i mean he would debatably could have won the show
and he would be stepped up with like two forty,
something you, know at six to, one and he's competing
against you, Know martin or these shorter guys that are
the same. Weight so it's, like at the end of the,
day it's it's it's a structure size symmetry, show not

(40:18):
a not a who's The biggest? Show, YE i, mean
and the guys that are winning The olympic the last few,
YEARS i mean they're only a lot of them were
to twelve guys that came. Up so it's, like you,
know being a taller, guy you do have to have
that you have you got more real estate to fill, out,
bro you gotta be for. Sure but it's, like at
the end of the, day but a six foot frame

(40:38):
like filled out next to even a short, guy like
it can look a lot. Better you. KNOW i wouldn't
trade inches off my frame to be a better, bodybooter
BUT i like being six feet. YEAH i at the
end of the. Day two, bodybuilding like the stage is
a byproduct, like it's just we're all living a lifestyle
in some, degree like you, know you. Live you could
debatably say you're a bodyboter in the sense that you

(41:00):
go to the gym with the idea to change your body,
right and you you live a structured. Lifestyle it's you
don't choose to get on. Stage the stage is a. Byproduct.
Bro it's just the most extreme example of.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
TRANSFORMATION i always tell PEOPLE i want TO i don't
want to be a, bodybuilder BUT i want to look
like a.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
BODYBUILDER i have a lot of. Clients that's most of my, clients. Bro,
LIKE i, MEAN i guess to train lifestyle guys in the,
gym and they train twice as hard as these guys
THAT i see a bodybuilding he. Shows you, know it's like,
crazy it's a, lifestyle. Man and that's like you take
it back to you, know Before, instagram and you, know
LIKE i was a twenty year old kid without a,
phone LIKE i JUST i wanted to live that, lifestyle

(41:38):
LIKE i didn't, Care LIKE i just felt good doing,
It Like i'll do this Till i'm, dead you. KNOW i,
mean regardless of a, STAGE i LEARNED i can make
money and do a career with. It so that's Why
i'm going to take you more.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Serious this is A i THINK i already know the,
answer But i'm just. Curious you obviously went to you, know,
rehab you, know struggled with like you, know more drugs than.
Alcohol it sounds like, definitely you, KNOW i wasn't drinker at,
all got? You, OKAY i did drums BECAUSE i didn't
want to. Drink got, You SO i, WOULD i would,
assume especially with your lifestyle, now you're like one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Sober, yes from the MOST i MEAN I i, YES
i would. SAY i MEAN i don't drink at, All
LIKE i might drink with my, family you, know.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
A couple of.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Times, yeah, OKAY i, mean got. YOU i just don't
know if you were one that was, like you, KNOW
i am one hundred percent. SOBER i don't. DRINK i
haven't you, know touched anything FOR x amount of.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
YEARS i haven't done anything like. THAT i would consider
hard drugs since you, KNOW i would be almost ten years, sober, okay,
perfect you know off Pills like, yeah you, Know I've
i've smoked a joint here and, there but it's, LIKE i,
Mean i've had a few. DRINKS i don't live AN aa,
program but, YEAH i call body building my, structure man. Like,
yeah you KNOW i put it into the, gym and

(42:47):
that's what. Really it gave me a, business it gave
me a, life it gave, me you, know the ability
to pay my, bills and it's brought, me you, know my,
partner it's brought me my, girlfriend it's brought me basically
everything in my. LIFE i love. That so THAT'S i
put my energy into, that and it's just it's coming
to fruition in ways THAT, i you, know can never.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Believe, yeah and and you're, doing you, know as your,
career something you. Love you, know there's like nothing better for,
life you.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Know so it's, like, yeah, NO i mean this is for.
SURE i MEAN I i live it to my own.
EXAMPLE i you, know my girlfriend is and i'd Be
i'd be be, wellness. BRO i mean our house is all,
bodybuilding man. Like she's with clients every week and it,
shows you, KNOW i trained men in person every. Day
it's our life revolves around. This we pay our bills doing.
This it's, yea you know we love. It, yeah that's, awesome.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Bro i'm thinking of back like when everything kind of
like because you always worked. Out i've always worked. OUT
i played. Football, YOU i don't know what you're Doing
montana bro Lift kyle's and.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Shit but WE i throw ONY b.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
BECAUSE i, remember, LIKE i don't know how we even
had a, conversation but you were, Like, Yo i'm gonna
get myna get some blood work. Done, well let me
see where my test is. At and then that kind
of sparked. Me we probably started a week behind each,
other like you and then and then.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Me.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah uh and because we're going on two, years, right,
YEAH i and a. Half, YEAH i kind of went
through A i. Was my story is very different than.
Yours LIKE I i. WAS i was super chill during
high school because WHERE i grew up she we already knows.
This i've talked about this ten, times BUT I i
grew up in such just a small rural area Northeastern. Montana,

(44:28):
yeah and SO i grew up very so. Yeah so
like WHERE i come, From like we never really, like,
yeah we like did some party a little bit in high,
school but we were just like small town kids man like, farmers.
Ranchers we play all, sports, basketball, football, track, golf. Whatever
WHERE i went wild was in fucking.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
College SO.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I MEAN i was young enough to Uh university Of,
Montana so what went to college? There, Anyway long story,
SHORT i partied damn here good three quarters of my. Twenties,
yeah SO i. WAS i was fucking milking college for
five six. Years got into you, know post college, life

(45:09):
trying to figure out my career WHAT i wanted to.
Do AND i never really got like serious about shit
until probably about like three four years. Ago and that's
WHEN i was, Like, OKAY i just started cleaning up the,
diet like my. Metabolism how old were you through four years?
Ago SO i actually just turned thirty.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Eight, Okay. Yeah most people start to figure out like,
yeah they start to want to make their lifestyle, change
they get it out of their, system and it's right
right about.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Thirty so it was LIKE i would, SAY i would,
say right around like like thirty, one thirty. Two that's
WHEN i was, like, okay LIKE i GOTTA i gotta
fucking clean my shit, up like Like i'm, Noticing i'm
Noticing i'm slowly putting on weight like every single. Year
BECAUSE i was always that guy LIKE i worked out
more for like the social. ASPECT i like to go

(45:54):
to the. Gym see my homies talk about you, know
you know what we're gonna do this. Weekend we're gonna
go grab some dinner, tonight you know. Whatever but, yeah
it WAS i would say PROBABLY i started cleaning shit
up in like my early, thirties and then WHEN i
JOINED i Joined Dragons there a couple of years, ago
and that's WHEN i started surrounding myself with like a

(46:17):
whole new group of. People there was obviously a lot
of fitness, people, influencers, bodybuilders et. Cetera and that's WHAT i.
Remember you, Know chewing AND i have known each other
for what about five uh like four about twenty. Twenty, yeah,
YES i moved Here june of twenty, one so like
that summer, basically So i've Known chewy for about four.

(46:40):
Years but, anyway after a couple of years being out,
HERE i was, Like, okay, hey LIKE i need to
switch it. Up started working out of Dragons, lare and
then that's WHEN i started being, like, okay, okay SO
i see what's going on HERE i and need to
fucking switch it. Up so first THING i did was
LIKE i got to fucking cut some.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Weight.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Man SO i actually hired a coach out here hired a.
COACH i dropped like from damn here two fifty down
to about two o. Five SO i JUST i basically
like cut a bunch of, fat And i'm, like, OKAY
i got how it starts first One, yeah SO i
JUST i had to like get a bunch of fat off. You,
well well then AFTER I i got the fat, off

(47:20):
THEN i THEN i started getting addicted to like, okay,
hey Now i'm like cut some fat, off but NOW
i want to put on some. Muscle and that's when you,
KNOW i start looking, ONLINE i start talking with people
in the. Gym well you Know i'm doing, This i'm
taking this. Whatever so that's WHEN i was talking to.
You he was, LIKE i was, like, hey, BRO i
gotta get my blood work. DONE i GOTTA i gotta go.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
That decision on yourself because most people got to be
told to go do.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
It, yeah So i'm you'll actually laugh at. This so
my my first my first time getting my blood work
done WAS I i didn't go to a, doctor bro
for like fucking, years like, years Because i'm the. Guy like,
besides maybe like a cold in Like November, december LIKE
i don't get. SICK i don't go to the. DOCTOR

(48:04):
i don't break any LIKE i DON'T i don't break any.
BONES i just never go to the fucking. Doctor SO
i go to a doctor out here In. VEGAS i was, like,
HEY i was, Like i'm trying to you, know clean
up my you know. SELF i got a. Coach i'm
trying to cut some. FAT i want to get my
blood work. DONE i get my blood work. Done first,
OFF i asked for a full. Panel they did some

(48:26):
half ass like little blug work test that the fucking
doctor's office. Does didn't even have like my test, levels
didn't have, thyroid, like you, know none of the stuff
THAT i was looking. For SO i went. BACK i was,
LIKE i did it, again and this TIME i get
a full. PANEL i go in and the first one
that everyone was telling me is, like, Hey, evan you,
like take take a look at like what's your test is.

(48:47):
At so first THING i, did AND i was AT
i was at three three twenty. Four SO i, WAS i,
WAS i was at three twenty.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Four you want to know?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Mine and you know what the fucking doctor told. Me he,
says your test is, Great, yeah, right test is? Great
AND i was, like my, doctor my test is, Great
like can you can you explain like what the scaling,
is like what should it? Be, oh, well as you
can see here on the, scale your testosterone can range
anywhere from three hundred up to one.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Thousand they're going off a results. Range SO i looked at.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
HIM i, SAID i, said, yo, doc so you said
my test is. Fine i'm like twenty four points on
a seven hundred point scale from like falling. Off and
basically what he told me is, like unless you're under three,
HUNDRED i cannot, clinically you, know diagnose you with low
testosterone or you, know give you a medication at your.

(49:48):
Age your testosterone levels are. Fine AND i remember just
like accepting, That AND i REMEMBER i met with my
coach the following week and he was, like you, know,
hey bring me your blood, work like let's let's walk through.
This AND i remember handing it to him and the
first thing he asked was, like, yo you, know what's
your doctor? Say AND i was, said, oh he, said
my my test levels are. Fine and that's WHEN i was, Like,

(50:13):
okay it's it's time to like really look into, this
LIKE i want to optimize my, Health like what DO
i gotta do, here.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Dude so that so same deal as he's going through,
THAT i go to the, doctor, RIGHT i don't have
a doctor out, here.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
AND I i wouldn't find out what's wrong with.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Me he was, like, Listen i've Lost at that, TIME
i had lost fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
ALREADY i was two, Seventy, no three seventy there's just
three seventy, four fat as, fuck you, know Fucking AND
i go to the.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Doctor he said the same. Shit he was, Like he's, like,
broll you're. Good he's, like you're. YOUNG i was twenty
nine WHEN i when we first, started and but my
was two eighty. Five and what he told me is
it's two eighty to eleven. Hundred So i'm, Like i'm, like,
doc this is a test of like a ninety year old.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Man he's, LIKE i. Can't he's, like, Bro i'm. Sorry
so that's WHEN i came to, you AND i was, like,
OH i, know mine higher than. Yours. Bro fuck. Yeah
so and then we, met we met so and, so
and and that's HOW.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I like what you were doing in, college, right, YEAH a,
CHILD i, mean it all plays a role in like
at the end of the, day like primary care of,
doctors like they don't typically unless you even some some,
guy unless you ask to get blood, work they won't
even take those tests like. HORMONES i literally have become so.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
POPULAR i literally called him back. UP i, Said, hey you,
KNOW i told you That i'm really trying to like
optimize my health and like really understand like a full
scope of like Where i'm. At LIKE i thought you,
said like we were going to get a full. Panel oh,
WELL i just this is the this is this is
the normal procedure that we. Do, WELL i, said, hey,

(51:45):
man LIKE i don't want a normal, procedure Like i'm
looking for a real like snapshot on like where the
Funk i'm. At so long story, short, doc you probably
won't watch, this but, HEY i no longer go to.
Him and that was the last DAY i literally went to.
Him was that DAY i was, like, Bro i'm not
coming back to this. Guy and that's WHEN i BELIEVE

(52:05):
i actually went to clinic you were working At Magnus,
yeah and uh, yeah got got my blood, work got
my blood work done. THERE i was actually with someone previous.
Before but, yeah long story, short after realizing how low
my test my my my test was that's WHEN i
first took my first enhancement was some.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Uh is it really enhancement? Though like that's WHAT i
try To, LIKE i have this conversation every day with,
clients bro And i've you, know been a part of
a lot of transformations where it's, like you, Know i'm,
like somebody comes to, me even if it.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Was about test place with therapy ON.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Trt yeah think, yes which has also become you, know
like we were talking about before a little bit of a, trend, right,
yeah twenty year old kids that already have sky high.
TEST i was were, LIKE i need to get on
t R. T it's yea, yeah but what we're talking, about,
Right so like, again you, know client's coming to. ME
i remember one client specifically In californa that was that

(53:02):
was WHEN i really understood the magic of what hormone
replacement therapy could. Do i'm, like this guy does everything,
Right like he's coming to the gym with. Me you,
know he was a little bit, smaller you, know a shorter.
Guy you, know he there's just kind of telltale sounds
when you look at somebody that you can tell like,
okay like he's he's doing everything. Right he's eating his,
food he's training with me three times a, week And

(53:22):
i'm pushing his. Ass So i'm, like he's not gaining,
weight he's not really changing that. Much what's going on?
Here and LIKE, i you, KNOW i continued to encourage
him to go get his blood work, done and he finally, did,
yeah you, know and to, surprise like you, GUYS i,
MEAN i think he ended up having like even worse than.
YOU i think he. WAS i think he was like
sub two. Hundred he was like one hundred and ninety.
Something but you, know he's this guy's an example a

(53:44):
lot WHEN i talk to clients now and you, know
again working in the clinic and seeing so many other
case studies of you, know people coming to me and
you know what caused. That you, know all walks of
life are affected by. This but back to this one,
guy like we got him on tierty Put, On we
got his levels like nine hundred or one, thousand you,
know taking two, hundred one, hundred two hundred milligrams a

(54:04):
week TO sasa and sipping, it and he gained about
fifteen twenty pounds like that he would have probably had
had his hormones been optimized out of the gate just,
naturally but not even just, That LIKE i use him
as example because he changed his whole. Life like, yeah you,
know it's just kind of funny because you, know you
think About tustosa on the side effects of, it like you,
know he never had face where and he grew this
freaking like you, know, beard like a like a. Lumberjack,

(54:28):
yeah and so he comes, in he's like he's got a.
Beard now he's, like you, know he started shooting his
shot with. Girls he ended up who he's married to,
now like got a you, know a hot little, girlfriend you, know,
yeah probably ten years younger than. Him and he started
really changing the. Gym he started a, business he started
to make more. Money and this is all from the
confidence that he gained, from you, know then training with

(54:49):
me and being ON, trt like it changed his whole.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Life, well, dude AND i like a lot of people,
think AND i think here's the big misconception is people's, like,
oh WELL i DON'T i don't need you, know get
on get ON trt because my my sex drive's. Fine
like that's only a portion of what that FUCKING trt replacements,
Doing like it is everything from.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Mood it is.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Energy it is. Clarity, yes there's obviously you, know sex
drive that goes along with. It it's it's fucking muscle.
Growth like there's quite a bit that fucking goes along with.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
It when your hormones are out of, whack you feel
horrible bro in the gym and outside in, life like
having your test hoster and estrogen, off where you know
some people would it'll it'll second and affect. Them they'll
have thyroid problems and that's why they can't gain or
lose weight the way that they want. To and they
fix these small little. Things it's, like go get your
blood work check because it could change, again not only
how you look and feel about, yourself but like your

(55:45):
mentality towards, life like Because i've been on that, Side
LIKE i know what it's like to be low T
like the first time ever AFTER i had done my
first you know cycle early, on LIKE i wanted to
recover my natural tea AND i couldn't really you, know
over three months four months of, time and you, KNOW
i have no idea obviously BECAUSE i had already dabbled
and jumped. In but at the same, time it was,

(56:05):
like you, know like you talk about your. BACKGROUND i
believe like somewhere along that, way WHEN i was not
eating properly and you, know doing drugs as a kid
like that probably threw out my. Testoser my testoer was
probably shot BEFORE i even started lifting. Weights. Bro so
like it's just, YEAH i can't stress. Enough LIKE i
work with, men you, know ages really twenty to, fifty you,

(56:26):
know even guys older than. That And i've seen a
million studies as far as you, know low test and
they get on that replacement dose and it just it
changes everything for, them especially if you're just talking simply
you're progress in the.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Gym, Yeah it's it's interesting how people are like they
they're so against.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
IT i get it a.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
LOT i MEAN i could go as a negative, connotation, right.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
It's like but LIKE i, LIKE i mean the size is, there,
Right Like i'm telling, them Like, bro not.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Taking Regular no you are in that, sense but like
if you're taking a true replacement, dose which isn't doesn't
need to Be like he's kind of gotten out of
line where guys are like you, know in the clinic,
space like you could be up to four hundred and
you're still on tierty like true tis oser and replacement
therapy is you, know typically anywhere between one hundred and
two hundred, milligrams like, yeah some older, men LIKE i,

(57:13):
know they'll take one hundred and twenty five one hundred
and fifty and it gets them just to that spot
that they. Need like my dad another prime, example like
he used to talk shit on me, like, oh you're
taking this or, that like you, know he he actually
had a health scare and was forced to take his blood,
work but before that he had n't taken his blood
in like six, years and test osren was pretty good back.
Then but you know you turn past fifty five and

(57:36):
it's like it just. Plummeted and you, know we got
him on tier. TWO i got him connected with the,
clinic and you know he's LIKE i can't LIKE i feel,
Amazing LIKE i feel it's.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
GOOD i, remember and if.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
You haven't gotten your blood work check like if you're
listening to, this like go get it. Done you know things, later,
DUDE i know where you are natural in that, sense
like six hundred to one, thousand like, ye that's typically
when he's a argetting over a, Thousand you're, like, okay
you know WHAT i. Mean and some people will take everyone's.
Different you, know they might respond and up take it.
Better LIKE i know guys that can take two hundred

(58:08):
milligrams and they're it'll skyrocket them fifteen, hundred. Plush but
as long as you're getting to that eight hundred of
maybe a thousand or a little bit above, that, like,
yeah that's that's where we want to be in your
twenties and, Thirties like you'll feel.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Great, yeah and that's that's Where i'm pretty much, like,
right i'd say eight hundred thousand. Ringe but, DUDE i
remember WHEN i first got on, it AND i was,
like now it's just it's just, Normal like NOW i
just feel like this all the. Time BUT i REMEMBER
i was LIKE i remember Calling. CHEW i, Said, BRO
i feel like a fucking New man, Week like we

(58:41):
two were, LIKE i, remember LIKE i just. REMEMBER i
was just LIKE.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I just had a little bit more pep in your,
step but at exactly a bit more letting your. Pencil, hunh, Bro,
bro it was your girlfriend's going. On, bro it was
there was there was for a.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
While i'm, like, YO.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I was, like, yo it's getting hard in the.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Morning they're. Soccer but by the, way you should have,
morning what if you're you KNOW z.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah and and that's why that's WHY i know that
ship's still, Working. Brocus every, Morning i'm, like it was so.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Funny i'm thankful that we did it, together right because
we went to the clinic together the first one before
we went to The.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Bro those first friends that you get into that like
you have that discovery or you, know even if you're
not going through the, clinic like those guys that you
do your first cycle, with it's like those are different
kind of, friendships, man and it's it's, funny beautiful thing to, discover, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Bro and then like it's it's funny bro BECAUSE I
i've probably sent that clinic the one we're talking about fifteen, people,
bro and every single one of them are still on
it and they're, Like, bro like, thanks thank.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
You yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah And i'm Like i'm trying to tell, you, bro
LIKE i feel LIKE i got it's.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Most of my, clients, bro every single person when they
come to, me it's like it's a requirement that you
get your blood. Work we need to know what's going
on because you're wasting your money and your time with
me if we don't know what's going. On inside your.
Body and that's not just your, hormones that's all of your.
Markers you, know you can find one thing wrong and you,
know A cbc or a lipid panel and it could
absolutely change your. Life you fix that one, thing you

(01:00:10):
make lifestyle. Changes you start taking over the counter, supplements you,
know if you need. To there's certain things in a,
pharmacy like let's make sure your blood pressure is on,
point let's make sure your cholesterol, straight liver enzymes. Taken you, know,
again over the counter. Stuff there's certain brands THAT i
trust more than, others like is there's supplements for, everything
but you need to know what's going on so you
can address that issue and you'll start making. Progress that's

(01:00:33):
actually if that's what's standing in your, Way like it doesn't.
MATTER i always, say like people, say you can't outwork
a bad, diet you, know you can't outwork bad. Hormones
like you it's, yeah it's. Impossible your body's gonna fight
again every.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
TIME i think it's funny, too where it's like people
are taking there's a lot of people who just take, like,
oh well they you know, this this guy takes all
of this. Stuff So i'm gonna order all of these,
things and, like these are the Supplements i'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Take i've got people come up to me in the
gym and like literally want to, copy like what are you?
Doing BECAUSE i want to look like You it's that
doesn't work that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Way but, Yeah so it's like a supplement is to
supplement where the fuck you are. Lacking so if you
don't know where you're, lacking how do you know what fucking?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Supplements what you're thyroid? Doing you? Know yeah that is,
uh you know what's your LD? L YOUR hdl is
in the. TOILET i, mean you, know your liver enzymes
could be through the, roof whether that's because, you're you,
know abusing antabolic steroids or you're you're a. Drinker like you,
know we've got to get that ship down so we
can optimize your, health make you feel the best that
you ever, have and extend your. Life, man because at
the end of the, day LIKE i bodybuild at the highest, level,

(01:01:32):
yes But i'm you, KNOW i advocate. HEALTH i go
get all the scans, DONE i get my organ, scanning you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Know, obviously and you're doing your bloodressure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Today do my blood pressure every?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Day?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Bro it's it's, perfect you, know it's, good you, know
AND i take.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
So i'm curious on what your thoughts here are like
and kind of like the why behind, it because Like
i'm obviously kind of new to this whole space on you,
know you see a lot of ads right, now you,
know hormone clinics popping, up a lot of talk ABOUT trt.
Replacement you're now, SEEING i would, say in the last

(01:02:06):
about twelve, months there's been this this massive wave about,
peptides all things, peptides as far as whether it's you, know,
recovery whether it's but it's, like, YEAH i feel like
it's kind of transitioned from like SO trt was this
hot thing where it's, like you, know hey get ON,

(01:02:27):
Trt hey get ON, Trt and now it's, like, okay
NOW i feel it's transitioning to we got we got
peptide companies popping up online all over the. Place you,
know your your BP bpc one. Stag, yeah like you
you're you're seeing all this about you, know whether it's muscle,

(01:02:47):
recovery whether it's, skincare whether it's you, know looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
The next thing as, well, right LIKE i said, it, Right,
YEAH i, mean just like cold. Plunging when we're, talking,
right it's like everyone starts seeing this or they see
their favorite influencers doing, this or like, again that must
be the that must be the secret That i'm missing
that's keeping me from getting to WHERE i want to.
Be and you, know again it's not the knock or
take away from. That peptides are amazing things like anything

(01:03:14):
else when utilized the right. Way and, again like you said,
before supplementing what we're already. Doing, Right so you, know
peptides are definitely continuing to grow and there's new ones
popping left and, right and it's an exciting time in
the industry in that. Sense and you, know they're very
low risk profile for the most. Part some of them
need more, research but at the end of the, day

(01:03:34):
most of them are you, know just chains of amino.
Acids so it's like very very low risk. PROFILE i,
mean you can't really go wrong with a lot of.
Them they're also very, expensive you, know and that's why
these companies are trying to capitalize on. That and you
can get stuff through a, clinic you, Know AND i
mean there's websites that are making their own stuff that
some are, qualities some are not and it's just like anything,

(01:03:54):
else you gotta vet your. Stuff Many, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
What are your thoughts on, that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Bro because there's people the same amount of people that
have talk to them about going to a. Clinic they're,
LIKE i can go To mexico OR i got somebody
who can who sells.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Me everyone thinks they have the best.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Stuff, yeah but but is there really a difference on
pharmaceutical stuff versus stuff From MEXICO us somebody making it
in their.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
House it depends who you, ask, MAN i mean at
the end of the, day, like, yeah, No i'm just
IT'S i do, believe like, right the clinics the safe,
Route LIKE i present a client with an, option do
you want to go this way or do you want
to go this? Way like this is some people just
for their sake of mind and their mental it's one
hundred percent. Guaranteed like you. Are from these compounding, pharmacies
you're going to get the highest grad. Stuff you're also

(01:04:37):
going to pay more for. It so is that what
you're willing to do in that? Sense are you a
little bit more you, know reckless or Lackadaisical and it's
as long as you're vetting your, Stuff LIKE i, said you,
know you know there's genoshick. TESTING i mean people send
their stuff, out they get it. Tested, like you, Know
i've another trend right, now you, know would be the
growth hormone topic is, like is pharmaceutical growth hormone better

(01:04:58):
than U gl? Growth like most people old school will say.
YES i mean, again you're you you have that, stamp,
Right but you, know if THESE ugl kids are testing
ninety nine percent and then you're paying you, know literally
a quarter of the, price then you, know why wouldn't
you just do? That so It's i've done. Both you.
Know at the end of the, day it's like you

(01:05:18):
have to you have to try, it you, know if
you want to, See like how do you feel, LIKE i,
mean you can only trust your bro right that's connecting
you so, much or you're seeing these. Tests BUT i
do believe there's better sources than. Others you, know There's
i've seen a lot of stuff in the last you,
know eight years THAT i have been in this. Industry
but at the end of the, day it's what you're

(01:05:38):
willing to to justify as far as a, price as
far as you, know your sake of, mind LIKE i would, say,
go you, know in a legal, sense go through the,
clinic you, know if that's an, option if that's what you.
Trust but there's great stuff underground as. Well and there's
great peptide. WEBSITES i, Mean i'm partnered with some of.
Them it's, yeah you. Can you can get good. Stuff
it's just you got to know who you're geting and

(01:06:00):
it's from and you got to do your own research
at the end of the. Day and at the end
of the, day you're also taking that risk you're putting
stuff in your. Body. Bro, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Dude it's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Crazy like there's people That i'll meet and they're, like,
oh But i've been taking that forever And i'm like
really just looking at them and they're, like, yeah you,
know have somebody that goes down To mexico or does
this and, that and, LIKE i don't Really And i'll be, like,
oh you're getting your blood work done and they're, like,
nah the amount of people That i've seen kind of
do stuff, Recklessly Maybe i'm just, pussy, BRO i don't.
Know i'm, like it just looks like THAT'S i, mean

(01:06:31):
the people that die young and. SHIT i feels because
they're not DOING, X Y z. Right so, like do
you see a lot of that where it's like people
just disregard blood work and disregard absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Man left and. RIGHT i mean that's, why that's WHY
i try, to like WHEN i get into these kinds
of opportunities or WHEN i get time with my, clients
LIKE i really try to preach that stuff because it does,
Matter like the details, matter like don't skip over the little.
Things but, again, man like LIKE i was saying in
a minute, AGO i mean blood and this is something
That i've learned in the last few. Years like later.
On i've always done my blood. Work i've always had
people that advocate it for. That but, again blood work

(01:07:01):
is only a snap. Shot. Man it's, like you, know
you could have a perfect blood work and you have no,
idea like your liver could be failing on. You, Man
i've heard some scary. STORIES i have friends that have
had procedures or you, know unfortunately circumstances happened with their,
health and it's you, know they're not doing, EKGs they're
not knowing what's going on with their. Heart you, KNOW
i did a calcium score for the first TIME i
had a score of. Zero you, Know god. Blessed but

(01:07:23):
there's people that have no idea what their heart is,
doing you know what their ejection fraction. Is they could
have soft plaque build. Up you, know their cholesterol could
be completely, tanked their kidneys are failing on. Them and
then it's like a car or a, truck Bro like
you got to take care of the, engine like you
need to make sure that everything's going properly and covering
all your, bases because you could have perfect blood work

(01:07:43):
and then you could you could die at fifty years
old because you didn't check something on the back.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
End, yeah so there is a safe way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
To i'm sitting here a two hundred and eighty pounds,
man AND i feel Like i've had very little effect
on my. Health Like i've done, this you. KNOW i
don't use a sleep apnea machine like everyone thought THAT
i needed. ONE i got, one AND i. Didn't. LIKE
i optimize my, SLEEP i take care of my body,
HYDRATION i do all the recovery. MODALITIES i get all
my organ and health scanning. DONE i take blood work

(01:08:12):
every three to six, MONTHS i mean more so every
TIME i change something in my. Program but there's a
very much a safe way to do. It and you,
know LIKE i, SAID i will never compromise health to
become a better. Bodybooter like, yeah THEY'RE i, Mean And
i've pushed my body to the, Limit Like i've done
things that you, know on paper could be considered. Reckless
but it's like that's what everyone needs to, do what

(01:08:34):
they need to do to get to a certain. Level
but there's a wrong and a right way to go about.
It and that's why you see guys dropping at, fifteen
and you see guys that are making it to seventy
eighty years old and living a life after. BODYBUILDING i
want to live a life after.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Bodybooting yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah because that's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
It might cost more. Money more people Aren't they're concerned
about the. Price like people want to take all the steroid,
cycles but they don't want to get their blood work.
Done they don't want to pay hundreds of dollars a
month for over the counter Sell you used to see
my vitamin, cabinet. Bro my girlfriend gives me ship every.
DAY i take about one hundred pills for everything in my,
body like it matters details because they don't take. Anything. Yeah,

(01:09:14):
No i've been blessed in that, SENSE.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
I have the old machines every TIME i cut his.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Hair B, NO i Mean i'm blessed genetically in that,
sense And i've taken THE dhds and it's done nothing
to my. Hairlines So i'm, uh you, know praying that
happens through my whole. Career but you Know i've uh
you can have you can be huge and have a
full head of hair. Too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yeah, yeah it's it's a slippery slow, dude because you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Know what are you willing to sacrifice at the end
of the, day, right because it's not, fair, Bro LIKE
i could do one, thing he could do. Another he
could lose all his, hair you know WHAT i, MEAN
i could respond one, way like one thing with your
genetics is also how you actually tolerate. Stuff like some
people take one cycle and that's like they can screw
their whole. Body like some people can tolerate and that's
why they're just it's at the end of the, day

(01:09:59):
like you won't know and you try it and you
won't know as long as you're testing your stuff and
have an, experience but you learn through experience man to
risk at the end of the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Day because it's one of those things where it's like
we got our blood work done not to become. Body
bull is right to like feel, better optimize and now
you know he's doing a lot better job THAN i, am, Right,
like from then it's we're getting you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
There, yeah, yeah we're, trying. Bro SO i got the best.
COACH i got the best coach in the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
World but it's it's hard to not at least for for,
US i feel like to not want to be, like,
okay like what else can we?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Add or like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
What else can we of, course what can we compound
to our TR t dos to to get to that next?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Level?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
YEAH i, mean And i'll be, HONEST i think that's
probably That that's that's WHERE i think so many people
get into trouble is there's so much shit out there
overload and, like let's be, real, bro like you if
you got, money you can damn your get fucking, anything,
Bro and and there's and there are so many different

(01:11:01):
ways right now to get certain. Stuff AND i think
so many people what the problem, is it's kind of
like what you're talking about is everybody's body is, different
and there's so many people that are, like, oh, well
this guy takes this and this guy takes. This So
i'm gonna order, this And i'm gonna order, this And
i'm gonna stock. This but yet, again people are not
taking the precautionary steps they need to take care of

(01:11:21):
their fucking, engine their fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Body, yeah so, okay let me redo my. Question for
somebody like, us when we have no want to be on,
stage would you recommend us take something else besides what
we're doing or is it like for?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
What, look, man at the end of the, day like you,
said everyone's looking for the next. Thing i've said that
a few times. Now but it's like if your diet's own,
point if your training's own, point and your hormones are,
optimized like you have no, excuses, man especially being in
a place like. This we have all the resources we
could possibly. Need, yeah the thing is people are they're
overloaded by this information that they're. Ignoring what's right in

(01:11:58):
front of their faces is just doing the. Work SO i,
mean like LIKE i, said, man at the end of the,
day people are just dodging the work that's right in
front of, them and they're looking for that next thing
That i'll get them. There like all these tools. Work you,
know there's not one size fits, all, like you, know
there's more of a uniform route That i'll. Go, LIKE
i have clients that are NATURALLY i have clients that are.
ENHANCED i have guys that want to push. IT i

(01:12:18):
have guys that just TAKE trt you know WHAT i.
Mean it's, like at the end of the, day you,
know the guys that make the best progress and have
the best results are the ones that communicate and checking
with me, consistently take feedback and send me training videos
SO i can actually you, know the training is the.
Stimulus Man, like even if you're perfect with your diet
and you're taking all the drugs in the, World, like
if you're not training, properly you're not going to get you,

(01:12:40):
know the same stimulus or effect that you could if
you're doing it, better you. Know and that's something Where
i've come a long way WHERE i feel like my
body changed And i've watched and you, know play a
part in that every, day especially being able to train
people in person like and watching bodies. Change. Like so
it's really it's just if you have your diet on,
point you, know if you have the money to hire
a profess that can help you and give you a

(01:13:02):
specific route to set, Goal like you don't need to
take anything really if your hormone's in the right, spot you,
know if maybe if you're ON, tiert like i'd say
more than. Anything like my lifestyle clients they TAKE trt
and if they can afford, it they might throw in
a little bit of, growth throw them on like a small,
dose like they might experiment with other. Things you, know
red a true tide's the new wave right. Now everyone

(01:13:23):
wants to take. That you, KNOW i was gonna, say
we talked about. That, yeah you, know, peptides like they
want to try a little bit of Anivar like that's, great,
Bro but like if you're not eating and training, properly
like you're not gonna get anywhere. Anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
YEP i ACTUALLY i actually like. That it's you, know
all these like peptides and all these enhancements are being
like talked about more BECAUSE i think there was there
was such a period of time where it was like
everybody knew that these big bodybuilders were on all sorts of,
enhancements but it was like this like hush hush. Thing

(01:13:58):
it was, Like, okay they're taking all this, stuff but
nobody knows really what they're taking and the only people
who know what they're taking are people that are maybe
in the. Community people are still at the end of the,
day they might they take, it but they're not saying
what that's like still so wild to. Me i'm sure you've, seen,
like you, know all the videos, online you, know are
you natty or?

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Not of course you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Know and and there's there's multiple people that now do.
Them the one GUY i think is based out, here
the original, guy but, anyway there's there's a lot of
people that are doing, it and it just it's so
weird to. Me it's it's like it's obvious that, like
like women especially you, know you got some of these
women with like massive, shoulders, massive like you're obviously, enhanced

(01:14:43):
you're taking. Something but it's like they still don't want
to say like what they're. Doing so from like a bodybuilder's,
perspective what would you, say like why why why do
bodybuilders do? That why do bodybuilders want to decline that
they take anything or say they're when it's obvious that
they're on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
STUFF i think there's there's there's a black and white with, that,
Right there's guys that are an open book and they'll
tell you, No i'm doing, this, this, this and, this
and you, know no holds bar tell you. Everything you.
KNOW i do believe that in this newer era that's more,
common AND i do. AGREE i think that's a positive.

(01:15:23):
THING i do think the gear talk gets a little bit,
glorified you, know and it's NOT i think some of those,
guys to answer your, question they they think they're they're
like so black and white in the sense that they're
denying it because they think it takes away from their
hard work or you, KNOW i hate to say, it
but it feels like it's always like those you, know
those genetic. Freaks you know that a lot of, them you,

(01:15:45):
know not so much, bodyboaters but the fitness guys you,
know you, KNOW i hate to, say but Usually African
american that always deny that they're on. Gear like it's
like and some of them probably, aren't like there really
are that much of a, Freak but, LIKE i think
a lot of it has to do with taken away
from the hard. Work but then also like some of
them they do have like brand, sponsorships like maybe it's

(01:16:06):
in their contract. POTENTIALLY i was just gonna, say that's
that's the all not a good look to say you're on, steroids,
bro even though everyone's taking, them you know WHAT i.
Mean like there's a wrong and a right way to
go about. It BUT i think it's better that people
are more honest and. Transparent but some, people like you
can tell when people get really frustrated or, like you,
know it's like they're, anxious and you can tell that they're,

(01:16:27):
lying you know WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Mean AND i THINK i think for, me and this
is a just it's more to, me it's more about
like looking out for people's health BECAUSE i think, here,
here here's what happens is there's a lot of like
especially younger, kids, teenagers kids in their early, twenties they
look up to a lot of these big. Bodybuilders and
because these guys don't talk about really like what they're,

(01:16:51):
taking they also don't talk about precautionary you, know stuff
that they're, taking like liver support for. Example, okay like
that's probably like one of the biggest. Ones so it's
like they're not talking about precautionary. Stuff they're not talking
about what they're.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Doing they're trying to sell their supplements at the end
of the day, too you. Know and and Then it's
like that was the more you know magazine era where it's, like,
Yeah i'm taking all this, gear but HERE i am
on this you, know protein powder. Magazine so IT'S.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I, Think, okay you might have just made a really good.
Point is a lot of these guys are associated with
a variety of, brands whether it's, clothing whether it's you, know,
supplements whether it's, food whatever it. Is it obviously it
it takes away from that like wow factor of like
purchasing their products that's associated with their you, know discount.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Code you, KNOW i don't hate. Those, Yeah and it's,
look there's there's a wrong and the right way to do,
It like there's a way to be like, look YEAH i,
do but like you, know and and keep the details
a little bit more. Hush and then it's, like you,
KNOW i started a broadcast channel where it's like more
specific now WHERE i can have these conversations with people
like they want to, know you know WHAT i, mean
and that's great And i'm happy to answer. That but

(01:18:01):
at the same, time it's, like like we said early,
on it's like you need to remember, that you, know
the base of this all is if you want to get,
results you need to have your diet and your training on.
Point anything. ELSE i always say to guys consulting on the, phone,
like if that's a choice that you make, Yourself i'm
never going to tell you to go do, this this and.
THIS i might go tell you to get your blood work. Done,
Yeah i'm not going to tell you to run you
know these three. Compounds, like if that's your, Choice i'll

(01:18:23):
tell you how to do it, properly and, yeah you,
know do the best to mitigate your health concern with.
That but it's your choice at the end of the.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Day, yeah what's the what's the most frustrating thing about
the industry that you're in buyabuilding that you see or
like that gets You, Like, GOD i, FUCK i love
everything about, it BUT i hate this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Part. YEAH i mean, honestly like we're talking about right, now,
man just some of the representatives are the people that you,
KNOW i feel like misrepresent it or you, know are
in it for the wrong, reasons that have an Audience
like it's, funny but like you, know you see these
authentic or great content creators that are putting out good
stuff and they might get you, know doing a talking

(01:19:02):
head video sixty one hundred likes and you, know maybe
a couple thousand, views and then you, know it feels
like some of the other, ambassadors like you have this
this opportunity to, educate and you just you're using your
your features for the wrong for the wrong, reasons or you,
know to advance. Yourself Like i'm all about just educating
people how to do things the right way to be

(01:19:24):
and become your best. Self, man it's really that simple
That LIKE i love the old school, Mentality LIKE i
love training. Hard you, know WHEN i got into this,
bro LIKE i, SAID i was very. Simple it was
LIKE i want to go to the gym BECAUSE i
want to feel better AND i want to be, HUGE
i want to be a. Freak like of course all
these other things came down the, line but it comes
Down it's like people over, Complicated like we go to the.
Gym it doesn't matter if you're trying to make a

(01:19:45):
lifestyle transformation or become a professional body but or we
go because we feel, good we love, it and we
want to be, Better like how can we do that
the best way and do it? Healthy that's, like, yeah
that needs to be the, message and some people abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
THAT i feel like, yeah, yeah this this one's not
necessarily uh you know t R t or gear related.
Question BUT i SEEN i know you mentioned earlier you
looked up To Jay, cutler AND i seen this like
funny video the other day and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
The trending about how like how much you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Ate, Wow, no it was it was actually the style of.
Lifting SO I i love.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
This let's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Go, Okay, OKAY I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
I lit talking training. TALK i feel like everyone wants
to talk about diet and. Gear no one wants to
talk about. Training training is the found.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Man let's dive into training a little. Bit and the
first ONE i would just love to hear your. Opinion
SO i call it like twenty twenty five lifting Versus,
yeah twenty twenty five lifting versus YOUR i would say eighties.
Nineties i'd say probably more eighties nineties bodybuilding. Style you

(01:20:58):
you see videos Of Jay, cutler it's fucking, heavy it's
heavy ass, weight it's fucking, swinging it's fucking. Rocking it's
it's maybe not you, know perfect you, know perfect. Form
it's not you, know, squeezing it's it's just heavy motherfucking

(01:21:18):
weight being. Thrown. Period, okay and then you have twenty
twenty five, lifting which is a lot OF i would
say time, Undertention, uh slow and. Controlled it's you, know
there's the, form, yeah you, know very very, form very form,
focused you, know very long, reps whole there's there's there's

(01:21:43):
just a lot of chitter chatter as far as how
you should, lift whether it's, volume whether it should it
should be, weight whether it should be your your, style et.
Cetera so just curious what what are you number? One
what's your? Style and you, know number, two what are
your thoughts on it in? General?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Absolutely, man this is a topic we could to have
a whole podcast, about But i'll keep it. Briefer. Okay
you Know i've tried it all, man and like that's
What i'm. Saying i've been blessed to, have you, know
some really good resources in that, sense you, know early
on and then even moving out here To vegas and
working with different trainers, Coaches Like i've had the same
coach for my nutrition and uh just guidance as far
as prepping for, shows you, know protocol, whatever and he's

(01:22:24):
done my training. Too but like you, Know i'm, Around
i'm in The Vegas. Mecca i've Been Golden, Venice. California you,
KNOW i trained With Charles glass over, there who's like
the you know they call The godfather of. Bodybuilding i've
trained With Jared feather out, here who does THE rp strength.
Stuff i've, trained you, know kind of somewhere in the,
middle And i've found that at the end of the,
day like it all, works it's just what you want to.

(01:22:46):
Do AND i say that. Subjectively it's like you also
got to have fun doing, it, Man like you can't
Get it's LIKE i keep saying, it but we've got
into all of these. Topics the theme, is, right people
over complicate. Stuff, yep those guys J coulor at the,
Eyes Ronnie. Coleman you, know of course genetics, there, Right
but like he's going in there and just having. Fun,
man he's doing what he wants to. Do he's lifting heavy.

(01:23:08):
Weights like form is, Subjective like you do need to
have good. FORM i do believe in slow and, controlled you,
know in a, sense but it's more about building that
foundation with that and then at the end of the,
day you know your. Body Jay cutler at that level
knows his body like he might look like he's, swinging
but he's connecting with every single movement that he. Has
he wouldn't have built the physique that he had in that.

(01:23:28):
Sense but you look at the guys at the highest.
Level you know The Dorian yates of the. World you
know blood and, guts you know hardcore training. Style you
look At Ronnie, coleman you look at J, cutler you
know those guys in the, nineties two thousand, era even
all the way back To Arnold. Schwarzenegger, like but training
has progressed so much in that and there's just so
much information out. Now like at the end of the,
day the program that works best is what you can

(01:23:50):
be most consistent. With AND i think there's a few variables,
Overriding like you, know some people their bodies are, Different
Like I'm i'm somebody who burns pretty, Quick SO i
learned LIKE i loved high volume early, on BUT i
grew a little bit more WHEN i WHEN i cut
a little bit more. Volume BUT i also got better
at performing my. Sets SO i think at the end
of the, day proper execution is. Key it doesn't mean

(01:24:12):
you need to do you, know one, handed you, know
slow three four second, contractions but you do need to
control and have a connection with that, muscle and THEN
i believe like there's times where you can get a
little bit looser and you can still connect great with the.
MUSCLE i think at the end of the, day execution
and intensity is the most important, thing and most people
are just not pushing that. Intensity they have no idea

(01:24:33):
what that feels. LIKE i know that Because i've trained
people now for seven, years and you, know anyone who's
trained with me, knows LIKE i don't take it easy on.
THEM i teach them how to properly activate their, muscles
but like we take it to, failure and most people
just don't know how to take it to true. Failure
if you can take YOUR rp type of training to,
failure you, know of course they have THE RIRs and you,

(01:24:55):
know like Again i've done that and grown Bro, LIKE
i have no problems with THE rp. Program it just
wasn't really my LIKE i gain stuff from, that BUT
i like to be a little bit more. LOOSE i
like to go to failure like more more often than.
Not and like again to your, QUESTION i think intensity
and execution are the most important, things and finding out
how your body. Responds try low, volume try high. Volume

(01:25:18):
try the more exaggerated range of. Motions you, know maybe
you work better in a shorter range of motion an
active range of. Motion like at the end of the,
day you just got to go to the, gym have,
fun try different shit and see what you respond.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
To.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Bro if one of these clips that we do get some,
interviews do we get a free training session?

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Together?

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
BRO i was honestly thinking about that on the way.
HERE i, mean, DUDE i will give you guys a. Session,
bro you guys want to coming, Together, like we can
have a group you, know if you end up wanting
to do something moving forward with, that, Like i'll give You,
Yeah i'll give you a good, price you know WHAT i.
Mean like group price is much more affordable than a
one on. One but that's HOW i get, down. Bro,
like online coaching is the, wave And i've been grateful

(01:25:56):
to to grow my online. Business i'm working with more
clients online Than i've ever, had which is BUT i
just even in this, heat, Bro, LIKE i JUST i
got love for being in the trenches in the gym
with my. Clients. MAN i love, Training, LIKE i just
love training hard AND i love teaching people Stuff like
my favorite thing And i'd Say I'M i have a
lot of experience in the sense where like PEOPLE i

(01:26:16):
just signd a new client, recently like and it's the
same thing every. Time it's like they come with a
goal and they want to especially, men Bro LIKE i
work specifically with men more so now than anyone. Else
LIKE i do have women, clients LIKE i train a
lot of my girlfriend's, clients but especially men are they're
humble in the or sorry not. Humble they're not humble

(01:26:37):
in the sense that they they have a lot of
ego and pride and they think getting direction from another
man is like it takes away, like but that's gonna advance, you.
Man so LIKE i take men on and they come
to me and it's like they do their first session
and even through their first movement this guy had last,
week he's, like, YEP i just felt Something i've never felt.
Before i'm. Hooked let's do, this you. Know so like

(01:26:57):
teaching somebody when they come away with a session in
an hour with me and they're, Like i've never felt
my muscle do that. BEFORE i think that is just
like one of the best things in the. WORLD i.
Love that's that's my. Purpose other than, Bodybuilding like that's
it right there like. That SO i, Mean i'd love
to show you guys a couple of THINGS i think
that'll propel even our. Progress, yeah, No i'm down. Man

(01:27:19):
you guys come over to the. Gym we'll get it
done for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Sure one other, QUESTION i think this would be good
for just like viewers in. General so obviously majority of
the people watching this are probably not professional bodybuilders or
even wanting to be. Bodybuilders BUT i think a lot
of people out there do want to get in. Shape of,
Course so if you were just to give a recommended

(01:27:42):
training split for someone looking to get in, shape what
would it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Be, honestly push pool legs is very simple and depending
on what kind of schedule you, have like you just
pick up where you left, off, right, so you, know
taking some rest days out of the. Gate BUT i,
say for somebody getting into the, gym, like don't over do.
It you, know just if your intention is to be,
better go into the. Gym maybe you get three sessions

(01:28:06):
in a. Week, great the next week you try to
get four, Sessions like this person's doing this or this
is the best. SPLIT i always get these, questions what's the,
best the best is whatever you can stick to consistently over.
Time you got to get your foot in the, door
and you got to keep going over a period of.
Time so get in. There really do you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Ever do you have A i KNOW i can't ask
what's the best because of your comment right, there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
But the best is SUBJECT i, like you do have
THINGS i prefer that work best for most. People But
i'm never gonna say one thing's the best because that
would be lying to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
You what is your what is your h what's your
thoughts on rest?

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
DAYS i am absolutely an advocate for est. Days AND
i learned that shit the hard, way because, again when
you learn how to train properly and, hard, like, DUDE
i GET i Go, Monday, Tuesday, wednesday by the time
LIKE i have legs with my girlfriend, Tomorrow like at
the end of that, SESSION i want to take two rest. Days,
BRO i am ready to. Rest if you're able to
go even seven days in a. Row, again, MAN i

(01:29:04):
have these clients that come to me and they take
no rest days or like you, know guys post On
instagram when they flex LIKE i don't, Rest like you
need to, rest, bro, like and if you're training hard,
enough you're gonna want to. Rest we don't grow when
we're in the. Gym we grow when we're eating, food
and we grow when we're taking care of our. Bodies you, know,
sleep get enough, sleep get properly, hydrated especially in This vegas,

(01:29:25):
heat get your meals. In you, know if you have
the access to to afford those recovery, modalities LIKE i
do it all, Man my rest days are so, structured
like they are like basically more complex sometimes than even
my training. DAYS i do ice, BASS i do. SAUNA
i see. Specialists you, know again we're In. VEGAS i
have multiple massage therapists that work on different. Things i'm
blessed to have that access to those types of. Things

(01:29:47):
but if you, don't you, know a pham roller On
amazon's twenty. Bucks you can foam, roll you. KNOW i
have a stretching machine in my. House you, know do some,
stretching some foam, rolling some mobility. Work you, know if you,
can you don't need to go do a fancy ice,
bath take a cold, shower you know WHAT i. Mean
or if you can go to get a sauna session
and you want to pay for, that you, know there's
places that offer, them like thirty fifty. Bucks, like do

(01:30:09):
the extra work and you're gonna feel better and you're
gonna perform better when it's time to get back to the.
Gym BUT i take two rest days a week most
times WHEN i schedule for, clients LIKE i, know for
the most, part they don't even want to go to the,
gym some of them out of the, Gate, like, yeah you,
know they don't even want to go to the gym
more than four times in a. Week so they might
have three rest. Days AND i think one rest day

(01:30:30):
is essential if you can't take rest. Days but if
you're training hard, enough you should want to take your rest.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Days, Yeah and do you recommend rest days, like so
let's say you want to do two rest, days do
you recommend like two rest days back to back or
do you recommend like splitting them.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
UP i recommend splitting them, up LIKE i know some,
Guys and, again it depends on your schedule growing a perfect, world,
Right like some people they their work, schedule like they
can only Take saturday And sunday off and it works for.
Them and you, know if you can get a full
recovery in two, days, GREAT i wouldn't recommend. THAT i
typically like to take one during the week at some.
Point typically again for, MYSELF i usually take. It i've

(01:31:05):
been Taking thursday And sunday rest days for like the
last three. Years you, know sometime, midweek you, Know wednesday
Or thursday, potentially and you, know whatever your schedule calls.
For BUT i would take two weeks split. Out got
it at least?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
One, yeah BECAUSE i think there's there's just a lot
of people out, there, man that there's so much you,
know bro, science there's so many fitness like. Influencers there's
like so many you, know we got. It we're in
a world of coaches On. Instagram everyone's a fucking. Coach
you can go on you go On. Instagram Oh I'm
I'm i'm a life. Coach i'm a fitness. Coach i'm this.

(01:31:41):
Coach i'm that coach.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
IN i got. You we're. Talking you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Can't but you've been cheating for fucking thirty, years my.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Guy so there's there's, terminologies, right there's cheap, feeds there's, refeeds, sorry,
cheat there's cheat meals, refeeds you, know cheat meals with a.
Purpose you, know sometimes you could just do a refeet
in a sense of you, know having a higher carbon
day of the foods that you're already. Consuming it depends
on a lot of different, variables. Man but you, know
typically again for some clients for a mental release as,

(01:32:14):
well you, Know i'll program at least one cheat meal a.
WEEK i mean even for, you eventually you will have
a cheat meal. WEEK i like to get that consistency
out of the gate and just get that mentality of
like going the first month even without, one you, know
and then, like, bro you're not getting ready for a,
show you know WHAT i. MEAN i want my clients
to have somewhat of balance in their. Lives like, again
they're not trying to get on, stage, Man they're just

(01:32:34):
trying to make a lifestyle. Change so it's it's different
for each. Person, again you, know if if people can
can respond and you, know take a cheat meal and
not go off the, rails Like i've seen it all.
Man you, know there's, yeah there's some people that you,
say go get a burger and, Fries they'll get a
burger and. Fries there's some people we say go get
a burger and, fries and then they're getting you, know
three cookies and you, know two tubs of ice cream

(01:32:57):
and then they're eating a pizza on the way, home,
like because there's a lot of binge eating.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Problems so the first THING i learned was cheap individual
was was cheat meal versus cheat Day AND i think days, no, yeah, yeah,
yeah BECAUSE i THINK i think like that was that
was my briggest like that was my. Bab, honestly literally
my ENTIRE i would, say like MY i would say

(01:33:23):
post college until like early, thirties that was literally WHAT i.
DID i would fucking i would hit the gym five
days a, Week monday Through. Friday friday, night i'd go
off the fucking. Rails, Saturday i'd go off the. Rails
Sunday i'd be fucking. Hungover so it's it's it's it's
simple calories, in calories. Out i'd fucking maybe be fucking

(01:33:48):
three thousand calories surplus or, sorry uh Deficit monday Through,
friday and then the weekend would fucking hit And i'd
fucking put on ten thousand fucking calories and Then i'd
start the week And i'm fucking up FUCKING x amount
of pounds and then By, Wednesday i'm fucking back to
my normal. Weight and it was just literally the same
cycle for, years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
And that there's so many different variables that that affects as,
well you, know the fluctuations of, weight like that's not
good for your internal markers and you put on a
bunch of. Water it's, like look at the end of the,
day LIKE i live my life as a. Bodyboater right
at this, level there really is no off, season. RIGHT
i don't like the term off. SEASON i don't LIKE
i call it an improvement. Season and that's what my coach,

(01:34:29):
is you, know harbored into my. Head but you, KNOW
i eat cheat meals When i'm not getting ready for a.
Show but even When i'm picking cheat, MEALS i eat
the same things BECAUSE i know what my body's gonna
do with. That you, KNOW i eat burgers OR i eat.
Sushi there's really me and my girlfriend might you, know
get a pizza here and there and, like, ah you
know WHAT i, Mean but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
NOT i was actually gonna ask you do you do
you have like your your like go to cheat.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Mas that's What i'm. SAYING i have my specific things
BECAUSE i know what my gut. Like there's another thing
we didn't really talk about as gut health man like, digestion, right,
like not only are you eating these unhealthy, calories but
like are you eating things that agree with your? Body
because if you're eating clean all week and then you're,
like it's just an unhealthy. Mentality, Bro you're getting to
The saturday and you're, like, OH i can't wait for
my cheat. Meal it's, like But i'm gonna eat pizza

(01:35:13):
or you, know a burrito in This mexican food that's
gonna absolutely nuke my stomach and then my my gi
is messed up for the next three. Days like that's
gonna play into your. Week you, know that's it's gonna
affect your nutrient, uptake it's gonna blow your. Stomach like
it's JUST i know what my body's gonna do with a.
BURGER i know the Response i'm gonna get from, sushi
AND i like that. Stuff so it's like it's almost

(01:35:36):
like you you would laugh at some of my competition, diets,
bro Because i've been with the same coach for four years,
Now like he'll literally right into my, diet you, know
on a refeed day or you, know in prep right.
Again it's the most extreme example of what you're talking.
About a cheat, Day like When i'm seven weeks out
from a. Show bro my coach my text and be,
like all, right, dude go get fifty pieces of, sushi

(01:35:56):
get one cookie and you, know one hundred grams of
carbs from fat free sorbet like and that's my last.
Meal but my body burns through. It and it's LIKE
i needed that, recovery that glycogen. Restore you. Know, again
it's great for a mental. Release typically that's gonna help
with stress. Hormones you, know it's gonna Lower cortisoil're gonna
have a great night of. Sleep so, like you, know

(01:36:16):
it's getting out of the mentality of like, okay like
let's binge eat versus like, OKAY i can go eat
a burger or a sushi or even a dessert and
it's gonna do my body good And i'm gonna digest
it great and it's gonna give me a calorie bomb
for the next few. Days my training's gonna be, Awesome
my sleep's gonna be. Better like cheat meals or REFEEDS
i like to call, them can be optimized and they

(01:36:36):
can actually be something that's if you're having a fat burning,
stall like you're hitting a plateau and you're not losing weight,
anymore and you throw a wildcar like down the, system
it's gonna excel your metabolism and you could actually have
a better fat loss the next couple of. Days that's
why we do it on prep again the most extreme,
example AND i use that with lifestyle clients too for
a mental release and also to you, know help your

(01:36:58):
body make. Progress. Man, yeah it's just can some people handle? That,
no so they eat freaking you, know tilapi and. Asparagus
like it depends on the. Individual so to answer your
your back in the, question, yes we can get cheatmals,
eventually but you need to be able to handle, that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Yeah, yeah and you gotta be, consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Bro but we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
On it is week, three Fucking i'm locked, in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Bro you got blocked out On sunday, water and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
It's just breaking these. Fallacies. Bro, yeah it's not so
cut and. Dry you, know there's so many different things
we can, do like especially like when your hormones are
optimized or you, know you're utilizing these new compounds Like i've.
Seen i'm doing my research, still, man But i'm seeing
some crazy stuff with his reditrue. Tide LIKE i got
a buddy who's like big into, peptides and you know
he has a group or a website and like a

(01:37:49):
discord that he speaks to and like he's an impeccable
shape bron eats whatever the hell he. Wants you, know
he's he's gifted genetically in that sense, Too but like
he looks like he could get on stage and he's
posting he's, eating AND i believe him. Wholeheartedly so, yeah
you know not to say like you can go just
go take rid at true out and eat whatever you.
Want but when you're you know what's going on in
your body and you know how to use it the right,

(01:38:10):
way and you know what you respond, To, like it's
amazing another cheat. Code. Bro the more muscle you, have
the more you can get away. With you'd be, like
you'd be surprised WHAT i could eat and not gain a. Pound,
yeah it's pretty. Wild my girlfriend hates me for.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
It do with the how long you've been on, REGARD i,
oh like two?

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
Weeks two weeks, yeah, YEAH i gotta get My i'm
gonna look like a week and a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Half, yeah like, literally.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
YEAH i, mean, look, dude body butters are using. IT
i mean it's great for the lifestyle guys LIKE i
have clients that want to use. It, AGAIN i was
kind of turned off to THE gop stuff at, First
Like i'm, like that's that's not, cool that's cheating And
i'm old school, Man LIKE i didn't out of the.
Gate it was LIKE i was, like hold on a,
second but, like if it helps you at the end
of the, day and it's gonna excel your not only

(01:38:56):
help your, progress but your mental LIKE i think that's
a positive, thing, man if that's something that you. Need like,
again we're in the world of resources like user. Resources.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Charles thank you for coming with, Us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Bro it's a, Pleasure, bro this is good conversation for.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Sure, yes, FUN i appreciate. That i've got a training session.
Coming we got rid Of True tale.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Coming, yeah AND i think we Gotta we'll have to
run another episode back sometime BECAUSE i feel like we
could we could even go into down and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Yeah, yeah there's.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
There's, uh there's a lot of. Stuff as we're.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
TALKING i think that we can we can we can
do we can make some content, together, bro AND i
think it'd be obviously we have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
IT i mean, again, Bro LIKE i, MEAN i work
with a lot of different guys, too the, videographers and
there's so, many so much of it out. Here but you,
know you, guys you become a good. Friend you, know
it's good to finally meet. You you've asked me some
questions over the, time And i'm here to help, men,
Bro like THAT'S i get off on a. DUDE i
love helping my friends achieve better. Results and you, know
playing a role in men's lives and becoming the best

(01:39:59):
bet version of yourselves mentally and. Physically. Man and there's
so many different ways we can do. That but you
know it's definitely let's take it. Next, like let's get
some time in the gym and just keep keep, going,
man keep getting.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
Better, right this is good too because, now like the
people THAT i send to, you like there's a face
we can, Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
You've sent me some good, leads, man you know some
of them played. Through and you, Know I'm i'm anyone
who's willing to work. Hard i'm always open to, help you,
know whether that be they sign up with me for
coaching or. Again, man we're in the world of, information
Like i'm getting Into like, AGAIN i have a new
broadcast channel On. Instagram you know we're we're getting into
some some of the conversations we spoke on. TODAY i,
mean you, KNOW i give a lot of free value

(01:40:40):
or you, know talk to men with my with my
videos On, instagram so you, know check me out on.
There you know you'll probably tag me and, yeah of
course C I K I. E. BODYBUILDING i MEAN i
have a YouTube channel. Too i'm trying to get more into.
That but a lot of my content you will find On.
Instagram And i'm always here to help. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Yeah and then in the description, too, bro everything like
you know this can't go for the clothing, supplements all
that stuff will be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
THERE i got you, covered, Man i'm on one stop. Shop.
Bro i'm. Connected you, Know i've been blessed with some great,
opportunities some great. Partnerships you, KNOW i don't get behind
anything THAT i don't back or use. Myself AND i,
like my thing IS i want to help you. Guys
skip the, bullshit skip the you know the negative. Part The,
yeah let's let's let's get you a. Plan let's get

(01:41:26):
you were on a b. Bro let's get you feeling.
Amazing you, know let's get your hormones. Checked all the
stuff we talked about, Today.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Broll that's. Beautiful thank you, Bro see you guys in
the next.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
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