Hung in Jail & Left for Dead: Vegas Tattoo Artist’s Shocking Journey

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Speaker 1 (01:05):
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Speaker 5 (01:08):
Welcome back to another episode of Before the Cut. Sir,
we are We are back with another tattoo artist. So
if you've been following the podcast, you've seen we had
Mark a couple episodes ago, we had Sydney Sydney and
uh yeah, I was actually in seeing Mark just a
couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Got the pleasure of meeting Brandon here and we started chopping.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
It up and before I know it, I was like,
you know, hey, I think we gotta I think we
gotta continue. I think we gotta continue our little tattoo
series here. So we have Brandon Morgan plays in.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Brandon is based out of Reverend Tattoo, pretty pretty high
profile famous shop out here in Las Vegas. So Brandon,
I'll toss it over to you. Introduce yourself a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
What's up, Tom Brandon.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
I've been working in a Reverend for about two months now, welcome.
I originally was at a couple other street shops out here,
but nothing like really.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm sorry, I'm like thinking about it too much.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Stops.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Yeah, it was at like strip shops for a little while,
working at Starlight Tattoo for a little while inside Mangle,
one of those like like terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, I shouldn't say it. They're terrible. They're just different.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
It's just such a different kind of environment as opposed
to like a local street shop to a corporate style
tattoo shop. You know.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
So those shops you do like a lot of I
call it like like little fucking little little food food tattoos, right,
like you do like a little.

Speaker 7 (02:43):
Give me some start bigger pieces. Yeah, they're more like
little dinky tattoos. It's all made for the tourists. You
know and luxury tattoo style shops, you know, if you're.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Coming into like a super nice, fancy place and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
But it's not as like it's not as it's organic
as yeah, like you know, a street shop, you know,
I get personal connections with yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
My clients as opposed to like the stript shops the
one done you.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I was gonna say, when I remember I first came.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
To Reverend, that was that was the biggest thing I
kind of noticed, Like it was truly like it's it's.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Like an entire culture in Reverence, and I think a
lot of these.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Like I don't know how you want to so you
call it like street shop? Is that is that the
exact terminology?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I don't even know. I'm always called them street shops. Yeah,
Jesus con.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Hey bro hope you think it on.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
The white Yeah, I was just calling like local street shops,
you know, as opposed to like a home family shop,
as opposed to, like I said, a script shop or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's kind of the same like in in Barbara, dude,
because like you know, you when you used to call
anyone like sometimes it's a.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Little too like a live can't max certain jokes.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
First you go to like you know something where it's like,
you know, you can kind of unbund the collar a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, we're talking about all.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Type of ship.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yeah, you know, and it's more relaxed. It's really the
same thing tattoo shows, Yeah for sure. Yeah, there was
the one. And I remember one of the first ones
I seen out here.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
I was staying at Planet Hollywood, and in in the
Planet Hollywood like forum shops.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's a there's a tattoo shop in there.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And I just I remember like walking by it and
like nobody was interacting with anybody.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
The tattoo artists were not like talking to anybody.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
It was like everyone was like in like it literally
reminded me of like it was like Corporate America but tattooing,
and everyone had like these little cubicles and everyone is
just sitting there like this, you know, and like it
just it's it felt like so uncomfortable because like, let's
let's be real, tattoo Like getting tattooed is like it's
not really fun.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean you know, yeah that was always super cool.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, So like I think that's what actually makes it enjoyable.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Like I always told Mark is like I would like
even if even if tattoo artists like became irrelevant and
like robots or something like that to us, Like, I.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Don't think I would like that.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
No, Like, even if it's like a perfect, you know,
fucking tattoo, I don't think I would like that because
part of the tattoo experience is sitting with the artists
and like shooting the ship and bullshitting and like, I
don't know anyway, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Here you.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh do you like that? Like people do they try
to talk to like how do you take long?

Speaker 6 (05:25):
I do and I don't all at the same time.
It just depends on you know, I'm very selective about
a lot of the clients that I like to take
on and whatnot. And if I know that I'm gonna,
you know, vibe with my client, I'm gonna be able
to build a much longer career with them.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah I can.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
I can do stuff for them for like time, as
opposed to somebody that's gonna come in and just be quiet.
You know, you can tell the clients I want to
just come in and to get their stuff done and
then they're out there. I'll never see them again. But
the ones that you know, want to engage with you
and want to, you know, figure.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Out about you.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
They're they're interested, you know, And that's what I think
the idea of like a lot of the stuff that
like tattooists are involved in or doing things like that.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
People are very attractive to that.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
You know, a lot of times I'll post on like
Instagram and stuff, and people want to see my normal
stuff as a post knowing that I'm just a tattoo
artist that just comes with everything else.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, you know you that, Yeah, yeah, And I think
it helps too, Like you know, I mean, I'm sure
you get a lot of people that they start following
you because they see your work.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
They seem like a reel or something.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
And I think that's actually, if I look back at
it now, that's like part of the selection process to.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Find a tattoo artist.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
It's like not only do you look at an artist's work,
but then you start following them and then you kind
of see like, oh, is this guy this guy dope?
Is this guy a little bit uptight? You know, like
especially bigger pieces. Let's be real, bro like, like me
and Mark, we've got to know everything about each other because.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
We spent so damn much time just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Shit, the fucking shit, you know.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
The bulding about it is because like a lot of times,
you end up making such a good connection to your
clients that you know, like you and Mark, you guys,
just homies.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, it's it's cool, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
So let's let's bring it back a little bit. So
how old are you?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Twenty nine?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Okay, so let's go back to I mean, we don't got.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
To go year by year by anybody dys but bring
us back a little bit. You know, where are you from?
You know, talk about your journey a little bit into
the tattoo space. Obviously twenty nine now and now in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
How has come? So it's kind of a long story,
it's kind of a crazy story.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
We've got time.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
I originally was born in California, in Pondo, California. I
moved out to Vegas when I was about seven years old.
Oh and by the time I was fourteen, I was
introduced to drugs and alcohol. Okay, and I was highly
strung out until I was twenty one.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Damn Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
So that whole time I was either in jail or
in a rehab or I was this, I was just
on the street and I wasn't doing that. My art
background around this time consisted.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Of street art.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I did a lot of Refiti track bomb around here
for many years. Not gonna say in a.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Monogram, but I was.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I was taking out of here a lot.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
And then, like I said, around around twenty twenty one,
once I was kind of on my laps them, I
was like using drugs and didn't have no word to
stay no more, didn't have no word to sleep, and
I knew I was just kind of staying out, and.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, it was like it's time that it's time to
get some help.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
And I was lucky, lucky enough to get into a
rehab out in California in Long Beach, where I had
a very short stay there.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
They didn't want me there, okay, And when I.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Left them, they didn't want you there. You didn't want to.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Be there, oh wit, which which I was gonna say a.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Bit of all. I didn't care to be there at
the time, and they are you know, they wanted people
that wanted to care to be there. Yeah, at the time,
I just really didn't have the headspace. Was like I
wanted to be there. I didn't know how to be
there just yet.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, let's let's go back.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So fourteen, when you when you or when you move.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
You came out, Yeah, my dad about six seven, with
my mom and my dad, my brother and my grandmother.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, gotcha because she was a group move. Yeah, and
then go to school and stuff like. Yeah, I went
to school.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I went to school like normal.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I really didn't do a whole a whole lot in school,
to be real with you. High school was like super
rough for me.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
I went to a different school amongst like the schools
that like all my friends went to on the other
side of the town. So I was kind of just
by myself at school all the time. I didn't really
do I would tell my teachers all the time, like
I'm not gonna disrupt, I'm not gonna misbehave, but like
I'm also not gonna do anything.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
So if like, if you.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Don't have a problem with me, just in here that school,
if I draw or just sit there and I would
just do your feeding on paper all day.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
You know, I didn't really because fourteen year what a freshman?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, so I think you're either eighth grade one was
a freshman year.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean fourteen fifteen eighth, eighth, ninth grade.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, well, when I was a freshman, I was terrified
of talking to girls.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Girl, and I was trying to play football.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, help me understand, Like how well.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
Everybody listen, right, Like how do you get introduced and
stuff like that, like you know, drinking and stuff you
see up o your family, right, Yeah, I try to
taste the beer.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Or something like that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So I used to.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I used to kick it at a skate park all
the time. You used to kick it out my local
skate park, and all the boys down there, you know,
they were smoking bee, they're drinking, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
And then we got some like those like really good
ass kids that want to come through and just hang
out with everybody could roll out the park.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Too, you know.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
And it wasn't It wasn't very surely after just hanging
out with that skate park all the time, that heroin
was just like everybody was kind of kind.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Of doing it.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Once I saw one kid smoking on foil, it was
like a normal thing. After that, you know, I saw
another kid doing it, was like whatever, they're smoking roxies
and doing all that.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, it wasn't like I think at the time too
because I was like so naive into what was going
on that I wasn't gonna be phased like in like
a negative way right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know, I'm with all the homies.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I can't be like, oh, beat it off by nothing.
It's just it's what it is. It's there.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
And then one of my buddies that actually was in
school with from second grade to sophomore year, he.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Started selling it.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Okay, he was he had always been like a little
a little drug dealer at his house, selling weed out
of his window and shit.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And then once he.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
Got hold of some tar and started making a little
bit of money, he started dabbling and smoking me a
little bit too.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And then one day I ended.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Up out of his house and I remember he had
just made a sale, and I was sitting with him
at his kitchen counter and he looked at me and
he's just like trying to smoke some of that WHOOPI
wool with me.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's what he told me, some of that woofy wool.
And I was like, I guess, like I didn't.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
I didn't really, I didn't really think about it, but
I remember watching him do it the first time, and
it was so dumb because like he did it and
just like looked at me like see flicking up that bad,
you know, And I was I was like watching him.
Good he did and I was like, well he's fine,
you know, like it must not be it must.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Not be that gun.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
And so then I did it with him, and I
remember the first time I did it, it was like
it was whatever. I wasn't like starstruck, you know I would.
I didn't find something that I needed my whole life
or anything like that. It was just like, all right,
that's cool.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's till we did that. We already smoked weed before that.
I was already smoking we before that. I was already
like taking pills every now and then.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
If I was able to get a hold of some
mean like I said, I was fourteen, so and then
I was always going to like house parties and ship drinking.

Speaker 9 (12:07):
You know how different is like your first experience smoker
weed was like first sperience.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know what's crazy is like my first experience.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Swimming heroine was the most normal thing compared to like
smoking weed.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
It felt natural a lot I felt I felt just
because it felt so natural.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
It felt yeah, I felt comfy, I felt content, like
the first time I ever smoked weed, I was like,
oh shit, I'm blitz. Now I gotta go home with
my parents, Like I don't like this.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I got paranoid. I smoked Carolon for the first time,
and I was like, this is this is okay? You know,
I was content. I just felt super content, and that
continued for weeks. I would go to his house every night,
and my hung East think he was a rapper. Every
night he got kicked in this room and he'd be
smoking off Woe and he'd be sitting there wrapping and
just be chilling with him.

Speaker 10 (12:53):
Yeah nah, yeah, yeah that's my boy RP. But yeah, yeah,
he was a terrible rapper, but he would try.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
We were just being boys, just taking forever, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it was the drugs that I think at
the time we were like, yeah, let's some bars. You know,
it wasn't but that continued for weeks.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
I always got to his house and we'd be smoking it, and.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I don't think I really noticed that I was.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Like like quickly becoming addicted to it, and because it
was so readily available.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
For me, sure that I wasn't experiencing with draws.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
I wasn't like, you know, stealing from people or doing
like crazy stuff, so it's not, you know, a good deal.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
There was never a time where you're like, we're reality's
kind of setting in. We're kind of like, yeah, yeah,
that's after my buddy died.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Just the one introducing him. Yeah, how how.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Uh he was sixteen, He's sixteen when he passed away.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, and it was always an overdose.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
You know, it's crazy because we we still don't know.
The story that happened was he went to his dad's house,
had an asthma attack and died on his neighbor's porch
because he was like crawling across the street trying to
get help from somebody and died on the neighbor's porch.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
And he debbed it as an asthma attack, which.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'll never know.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
But he was out of the user, and we were
we were using pretty heavier, you know for sixteen years old,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, so he was sixteen, you were fourteen. Yeah, no,
we're about to stand age at the time.

Speaker 11 (14:29):
Years Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, we had been doing it together all the time. Yeah,
we were doing it together. That was like my first
little drug buddy and ship.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
You know that was probably a little little family cover
up situation.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I would assume they.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Didn't want to cause his death to bed regulated.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, which had which I don't blame him, Yeah,
of course. But after he passed.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Away, oh my god, it was game on.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
By that time then I knew. I was like, okay,
like I need to do this. It's like all the time.
Now I started experiencing like withdrawals.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
And like the just the uncomfortable feeling of like needing
it all the time, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And then after that third year, I was like full blown.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
It, dude.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, it was Do you feel that addiction set in
because you were trying to like cover up the pain
of you know, loosing your friend or do you just
feel it was like the amount of usage really started
to catch up to you, and you're like, damn, like I.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Am hooked on this.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I think the amount of usage just got really hooked
on me.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Did you go up after your friend pass Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, it went up so much more by the time.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
By the time I got sober, I had anywhere from
a two to three hundred dollars a day habit, and
that was between heroin and cocaine.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, yeah, so it increased dramatically.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I went from like.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Maybe like twenty bucks a day, you know, like I said,
you know, fourteen fifteen twenty bucks a day whatever, its
a lot for fourteen. Yeah, started to strength some casts together.
But yeah, by the time I was seventeen, I.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Was already doing about two hundred dollars a day.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
So so you you mentioned your your family earlier, and
I mean, tell me if you want to go down
this route or not. But you know, I I think of,
you know, my upbringing and my family, and I think,
you know, how much trouble you get in as a
you know, a teenager, a middle school or whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Let's be real, it is very dependent.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Upon the parents because you know, yes, end of the day,
you're gonna a kid's gonna be a kid.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
They're gonna sneak outher and do some bullshit.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
But you know, let's be real that that that household
and how close they're keeping tabs on you, what they're
allowing you to do, kind of kind of shapes a
little bit. You know, how much freedom you have, you know,
who you're hanging out with, you.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Know, things like that.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
So I would be curious, you know, how how was
your relationship, you know, with your family, you know, you know,
before and during anything you'd like to go into as
far as that.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
So relationship mom and dad great. I love my mom
and dad. I had a very very good upbringing. I
think tried me and dance when I was a little kid.
I was a professional dancer by the time I was
nine years old.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Did Polynesian dancing for a long time. I competed in competition,
you know. You know I always tell people like this,
have you seen Lelo and Shitch right? Yeah, you know
when when David's on stage and spinning the fire.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I did that three years. That's it. I thought
you familiar.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
But another relationship with my mom and dads't been good.
The problem I think was is dad worked a lot,
you know, so he.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Left mom to go ahead and kind of discipline.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
And you know, when you're a boy and your mom's
this this this little lady and she you know, yeah,
there's a pushover.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
You know. I ran. I ran my own household.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
I woke up when I wanted, I left when I wanted,
or I came back and I was high when I wanted,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It got to a point where they knew and they
just couldn't even do it.

Speaker 9 (17:50):
I was just gonna ask, Yeah, so they I guess, like,
is it not like you know when you stow, you know,
you get your eyes doing whatever is there?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Can you tell that you're.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
High if you're absolutely? Man, they catch me all the
time when you're doing drugs like that. You're slipping all
the time. You know, You're you're slipping in and out
of consciousness, and like it's it's it's a dead giveaway.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
I've got the dinner table trying and going to take
a bite of food, and I'm fucking nodding off and
I can hear them.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I can hear Mom and Dad like he's on that ship,
you know, yeah he's doing I'm like, no, I'm fine.
They never like they do whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
By the time I was seventeen, like I said, they.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Were already they were already very aware that I was
like doing ship.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Pops was always finding like foil and stuff.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
And then once I became like an IVY user, they
were always finding that ship, you know, And got to
the point where it was like it was almost better
for Brand's stake out of the house because then I
can't be at home. I can't steal ship. I can't
be fucking yeah yeah, possibly oh Dean or doing something
crazy at home, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
But I don't blame them.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
They like, what do you do? What do you do
with a fourteen fifteen year old kid? It's I'll start yet,
you know. Yeah, so especially one that didn't want help.
I didn't want help time. I didn't even know I
needed like the help and ship. But luckily enough, like
I said, I've always became a pretty good relation with
my parents.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Would love them to that.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Pops was like my best friend.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, that's awesome. So around like.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Seventeen eighteen, I became pretty vocal with them about.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
My addiction, and yeah, I just got to a point
where I was just like you guys know, like I
can't stop, and like we need to we need to
do something, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
But they didn't think they didn't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Who you called for that?

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, especially when you have no resources with that kind
of stuff and they've been through it, seen it and
dealt with it.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, it's like who you called, you know, help your
kid out for that?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, it's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
They're like I mean people that watched this.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
They know, like, you know, my brother went through this stuff.

Speaker 11 (19:38):
Like I'm as from side with over my dad's a problem,
you know, a little ranch in Mexico, Like there's no
drugs over there, right, I mean otherways, but I'm saying
like when they're when they're five years over and around
and fixing tractors and shit, and like yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know when it's happening, Like I remember just like
looking at them like.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Like, bro, do something.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
But now I'm like, yeah, what are you supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Like you're trying to survive and figure off for your family,
Like well that's new to you, Like yeah, it's it's
it's but that's good for you, like that you.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Want to I need.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I was always just I was always like leaving these
like little calls for help because like I knew I
had a problem, but I didn't know what was going
to be able to help me.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I didn't know who could help me. But I did
leave like hints all the time that I needed out,
you know, whether it was like cause like I did
the thing a long time. I tell everybody like I'm good,
I'm clean, and that you know, I'd get like a
day or.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
Two under my belt before I was picking up again
or something, and people would buy my ship for a
little bit. But even though I'm saying I'm clean, I'm good,
I'd still purposely like leave my foil out, leave my
rigs out.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I want to get caught.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
I want somebody to like grab me, pull me and
put me down and like you're gonna stay here until so, you.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Know, I talked about this quite a bit on the
podcast with Sydney, But you know, it's funny to me
when and when an addict really gets to that point
where they're just adicts normally, are you know, pretty slot
you know, they're just they're there. Yeah, they're like they're
like trying.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
To, you know, watch what they're doing. N get caught, knock,
get caught up, you know, not be caught.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Up and lives this, that and whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
But I grew up in an household with my my
father addicted, and and very similar to what you said,
it got to the point where my dad was just
so messy with it, and like that's what kind of
really started blowing me away. It's like, bro, you don't
you don't give a fuck that you're you know, if
you're leaving fucking coke all over the table that you got,

(21:37):
you got your foilees, fucking just laying on the fucking floor.
My mom was doing laundry and she would like, you know,
find fucking empty baggies and ship like it is, you know,
jeans and whatnot. Like it's crazy to the level and
the addiction takes you where it's just like you really
just don't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
About nothing anymore. Don't You used to tell.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
People love when you're out experience that they lost everything
that I should And I'm like, bro, I freely gave
it away.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I yeah, all of it away.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I knew I didn't care. And at one pointer it
was like I just get.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
High and make him being high so that I can
continue my dad.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's so. You are you you're not going
to school?

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Are you going to school?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Start at seventeen?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, I was going to school. But again like so
I didn't do nothing to school like that. I wasn't
going there to winner or what was that going there
or when?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And that's with nobody.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
So even when it was time to getting graduated and
have like all my credits and stuff, ended up going
to continuation school for a little while, which the whole.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Time I was, I was strung out.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I would go to school in the morning, I popped
two purposets and like that was.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Gonna be my day before I got out and I
could keep you know, fixing you. Yeah that did god shit,
wait d did you end y'all.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
End up graduating?

Speaker 6 (22:51):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
G h anything?

Speaker 6 (22:53):
So I ended up on continuation school for an extra
year to try and get on my credits.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Ended up getting on my credits.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
But because of the proficiencies that we had back then,
I didn't graduate.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
I uh okay, I didn't have to my my English
proficiency and that was that was enough for them.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Now they don't even got it nowhere though, cause it's funny.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, they owe you with the crazy bro. You know
what I'm saying it say I gotta take their proficiency test.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
No, never got it?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, so okay.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
So seven So seventeen, you know, used to go to
school and.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
You mentioned hopeless, Like when was it that your parents
were like you you got you.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
From seventeen seventeen?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Ye were done?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
So where did the seventeen year old kids struggle that
you go?

Speaker 12 (23:35):
I used to sleep right there off of uh Flamingo
and uh the fifteen there's some dream tracks right there
that run by the strip, thege tunnels under there, and
that's where.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I would go to sleep, and then and then during
the day I would walk the trip. I was always
hanging out at the Palms Hotel.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I was like my my known little stomping ground right there.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'd just be walking around.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
The way.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, I used my drugs though.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I was so just like.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You had seen. I was a street walker, you know,
I was just walking around.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I didn't know what I was doing when I was,
what my motives were other than lie.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
All I know is just keep getting high and then
whatever kind of nxting happens right now is you know, Okay,
half the time I was like full blown from reality.
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
That's super interesting me.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
So I'd live on the Strip and uh, I work
in Mome remote and some of my days just get
super long, sitting on my computer at my desk all day.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
So I Judy knows this.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I was going on a daily walk.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Well, I I either go you know, north from my spot.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I live right by Fop and Blue.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
I either go north up towards Stratushare, or I go
you know, south down the strip, down towards like Waining
on Court, et cetera. And uh, I see almost the
same almost people every single day. It's uh, you know,
same same people whatever. Then every once in a while
there's there's a new one that pops up. But uh,

(25:02):
it always has been intriguing to me. I'm just like,
how are these guys still going? Like how do they
get money? How do they get food?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
How do they have money for drugs?

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Like I might sound just.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Like stupid and oblivious, but like I would love to
hear more about, like hearing your time, I'm homeless, Like dude,
you know.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
My hustles were like great, yeah, like we're I'd love
just to hear more about like how that how.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
That life really actually? So when you're a drug addict,
you don't have a job, you're a thief.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah yeah, I I and I must speak for myself.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I love the thief.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's a day.

Speaker 9 (25:37):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
All I did was steel shit.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
That was my main source of income.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
A lot of the dealers that I dealt with out
of here.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
They were super cool trading ship.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know, so I'd go to like that's why and
steal whatever. You know, A lot of times it was
like portable stuff, portable chargers, things like that then have
some kind of value.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah, and depending on the dealers, sometimes I get like
twenty five to fifty cents to the dollar of.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
The amount of drugs that I could get her whatever
it is that I'm yeah, trading him. So that's when
like all my jail side started happening.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Was because I was just getting caughts, you knowing all
the time you shot.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
A pawnshops, I was blacklisted.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
The pond shops out here forever.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
I had a picture and a bunch of different pawnshops,
and that I didn't selling them about kind of stolen
merchant dress.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You know, they're that fucking my mom.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
I poor mother, Oh my god. I robbed her blind
so many times. All the jewelry, all the jewelery and
all the gold. It's just ponded twice on the wedding
rings twice.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Because you know, you gotta your hat.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's yeah. It wasn't even s uh a thought too.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I wasn't even a thought.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
It was like, I wake up.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I sent my text message at eight fifty eight, cause
that's the time.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
All the driver's out here in my face open up to.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Start driving around selling drugs.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Ye, I was always like the first person to beat calling,
you know, their out and uh, I'd get my drugs
and then I got to go me and I'd just
be in places tryna.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Like look for what I could steal, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, So was it like like drugs to be able
to go through the day and.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Then like find stuff to kind of steal so that
you're good for tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, it was always.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
It was always I s I felt like I was
always just playing catch up with tryna get drugs for
the next day.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
So I had to do some very work today so
that I could have some money for tomorrow, so that
I could meet thing being well, you know, I thought thought,
as long as I just had enough aron on me,
I could like maintain kind of a arm, cause without it,
I'd be sick. You know. When I wasn't doing heroin,
you could tell I was like super sick and gros
for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
But when I just used just enough, I'd be acting normal.
People thought I was normal and seemed like everything was alright,
you know, but I what was not?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, with the with with the a gap. I'm going
to people though, cause it's not like the like the
wholdest like being like on the trade drugs drugons are you?
Are you by yourself or was there other people there?

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I mean every now and then you you come across
somebody and wants to be a friend for a little while. Yeah,
and then at the end then he got somebody who.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You ended up using with. For me, it was always
a girl, you know. I was always with some chick.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And then we'd always end up beginning hide together.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
And it's kind of how it was for a little while.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
It was always ru motivated though.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I felt like we were just like hanging out.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Together just to just to have somebody.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, cause yeah, when you're on drugs, nobody wants to
be around you.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I grew up a pretty you know well I
don't wanna say popular, but like I had friends, you know,
I had a lot of friends.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And then once they saw how serious lynd different again,
you know. Yeah, on the the Best Buddies, we were
telling me like it's always know.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
What to do.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, you can't he with you dog like, yeah, you know,
don't win.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
It's super interesting to say that cause like a lot
of this stuff like Buddy's Past Podcast, it.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Like it really brings me back to like shit I
dealt with, But I I just remember, you know that
was one thing with.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
My dad is his friend group drastically changed the people
that he did hang out with. If you no longer
going out with because as an addict, you start hanging
out with people that accept you for who you are
and not people who look at you, you know, different,
or check you or ask you what the fuck you're doing?

(29:15):
Like addicts wanna hang out with other addicts. You want
that are to help enable us exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
City talk to a little bit about the rumor.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, whether we know it or not, that's what we're.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
We're researchion for some ready.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, well and it it's it's someone that's gonna like
not make you feel.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Bad, you know, amount like what the fuck you're doing.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
It's like it's more people that are gonna encourage the
activity than fucking discourage the activity.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah. So you're in that cycle, right like you and
hid the board you looking for and all that?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
What h like? What breaks that?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
How do you? How do you like?

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Cause it's like live a day to day we kind
of what I was gonna say too, like when you
live a life like that you obviously have no job.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
You probably I'm like, I mean it's hard. You got
a cell phone, so like risually I had a cell phone.
So originally through a lot of that, I just.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Had a cell phone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Quick, quick heat bro quick quick side for a hundred
and twenty pounds of not eating. Yeah, quick conversation. How
do how do the homeless maintain cell phone bills? You
gotta have somebody who loves you.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, I was lucky enough that life even when
I did go home on was you know, my mom
and dad they still wanted to like keep TIBs on
me and yeah, and it.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Just still be able to know that they can like
get me. I feel like I ever decided like I
wanna change my life around here. Yeah. Yeah, so Pop's
always paid the phone bill.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
You know I got the phone.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
You've done the Yeah remember one of the times I
got head of the phone. You know you wouldn't got
me another phone cause you gotta know where I'm at,
you know.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, that's just fun, dude. My my my brother used
to a friend, I could feel like just cause it
jump for fifteen years, got out, fucked up, went back,
was out.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
You know, we used in jump getting a pup d right,
And I remember when he first got out from doing
like that long time, I bought the phone, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right, just cause like you know, I wound up to
but I was with too, like I gotta see what
we rat Yeah here, I mean, yeah, it'll keep you backing.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
And after he he was out for like six months
before the fucked up when he went back, and then
he when he got out.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Like inspiration offs were taught us and then uh, I'm
like looking at the phone and it's.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Somewhere and fucking got born.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Uh. I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I was not I'm asking and then we're we're getting
calls from.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
A different number that's him, and I'm like, hey, well,
what the what's up with this Phone's still pay for him?

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Yeah yeah, it's like bus gonna sell it.

Speaker 13 (31:39):
I was like, da't we can talk.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
It would pay five months of his bills for but nah,
but that's a thing, like I don't know. I think
he got it from the state or whatever.

Speaker 11 (31:46):
But yeah, it's it's it's it's it's just all like
love to try to like, m make sure you're still alive.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
My obstructs with that a lot here, right, yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Making sure that hurt.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So I was okay, But at the same time too.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
Like.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
He's a danger to be around there.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So it's like, i'll give you a follow you let
me know. If anything, I'll drop it.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's it's it's it's hard.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's hard to say.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
So when you're so you obviously continue, You're you're homeless,
you continue just getting high day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Every day is fucking Saturday times pretty much just irrelevant. Yeah,
you're just you're just throng with emotions. What what was
the breaking point where you're like, damn, Like, did you
like sober.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Up for a period of time out on the streets.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
It was maybe that came, have you come to it.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
There was a couple of times that like I had
reached out to the folks and like I told him,
like I wanted to change, Like I didn't want to
live like this anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, And I think at those times it was very
fear motivated.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
I was just like that I'm gonna get sick, I'm
not gonna have no more money, and I'm so tired
of like stealing ship, I'm tired of jail, I'm tired
of having to do things so that I can do this.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I was very, very tired.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
So a couple of times I asked for help. They
got me into some treatment centers where.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You know, i'd get thirty days when treatment center, I think.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I got like like one hundred and ninety and like it.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Was like looking good for me for a little while,
but it was right right way like this, I would
get out of rehab and they won't.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I would be back at it, thinking that.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
I could just use us a little bit, yeah, a
little bit. You know, I didn't really know what I
think when I went to those rehabs. I didn't know
what I was trying to like rehabilitate. I just needed
how to have a problem with drugs, you know. I
didn't know that like drugs were my problem, Like I
was my only problem. Once I was able to deal
with me, the drugs weren't an issue, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
You know, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Kind of go back together, like do you like what's
some like the scariest once you had when it was.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Just like you like being called up. Honestly, it wasn't
even like the homeless. It was more of the jails,
you know, I was I hated jail. I hated going
to jail because you'd be sick for they be sick,
and uh, when you're a young kid. He's got a
chip on his shoulder and it's on all kinds of substances.

(34:10):
You know how to act, you know how to talk.
I don't know how Joe works. I'm not gonna go
in there and be respectful.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm not gonna go in there.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
And you know, program with these fools, like how they
want to program, you know. Yeah, yeah, and walks no, no,
never ended every prison. But it's weird.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
It's really weird out here in Vegas because they'll be politicing. Yeah, yeah,
they'll be politicing like out here in like twin towers
and shit like that. Yeah, be doing ship interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But like I wasn't. I wasn't about that, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I wasn't trying to listen to nobody, wasn't trying to
do anything. So that made it very rough.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
My first couple of jail experiences, you know, my first
couple of jerks feeling experiences.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Were I'll never forget him.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah it's enough that, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
That's interesting.

Speaker 11 (34:52):
What like I guess like when Mark talked about it, right,
he like I think that was California or whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, I guess what happens if you choose to not
like like my brother he did a Chicago. They don't
really well school, shit is real different. They're out there.
Yeah yeah over here though, had you working out and
shit like fall in line over there? It's kind of
like not really so much and what us see out here,
it looks like like you don't you don't have to.
But if you don't, like you know, you lose a
lot of.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
A lot of things like that.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's yeah, a lot of help. Yeah, you don't got
the the camaraderie or some homies in there and shit
like that. You know, so you're free game for everybody
if they want to fuck with you or take a
shit or you know.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Do anything.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
So did you have any uh like Sky obviously weren't
in prison, but just in jail out here, did you
have any like scary experiences?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I was, uh, they tried to kill me.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
In kind of yeah yeah, wow, Yeah I was.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I was hung in the shower my third night there, and.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It's because of the tattoo I had.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
I didn't know like the proper steps about going into
jail or anything. So when I went into jail, I
ain't talk to nobody. I didn't really see shirk officers.
I didn't explain like where I shoul be and you
know anything. Next thing I know, I got housed with
a bunch of bunch of white boys. I didn't care
for my my my my skin tone and my eyes
and one of the tattoos that I had on my

(36:12):
body at the time.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
And they let me kick dope on the on the
floor at three days that I was in there, and
then I.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Went to go take a shower one day and they
came in.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
They jumped me, and from what I heard is uh
uh a ceo came in and found me hanging by
a uh a towl or like one of our bed sheets.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
They tied it up.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
And the way they kind of jails are, it's just
a pipe that comes out of the wall, you know,
and it just spreads like I like a host.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And I guess they left me hanging in there. They
shut the whole jail down. They had the ambulance come in.
They tried to defit me into jail.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
Uh They said I was completely flat lined and they
brought me a UMC hospital when I was on left
Sport for three days.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I woke up and I had a neck brace.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Song and I didn't know really what happened and not
saying uh that uh uh your life flashes before you're
when you can you actually ask anybody that's that and
said that, yeah, your life lasted before you.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Guys, like come back to life, because when you come back.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Because when I was waking up in the hospital, it
was like everything was catching up to.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
That moment of my life right there, and it was
like that complete like self demoralization. I was like looking
at myself in the hospital like.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
How did I get here?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Wow? How did I get here? Drugs?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
For fuck jo? So did you wake up to anyone?
Did you have any friends?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Family? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:33):
I woke up to a I woke up to a
corrections officer sitting right next to me. He was eating
Nick Donalds when I was shackled to the.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Bed, and I remember trying to ask him like whoy
I was here, and like what happened? I didn't.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
It took me like a day or two to finally
like really catch up to myself.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
To realize like, oh my god, I got hurt in jail. Yeah,
But like I remember trying to ask the officer like
what happened. He wouldn't give me a whole lot of information.
He just let me know that I would be out here,
you know, soon, which soon ended up being a week.
I was the first three days that I was there.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I ain't. When I was there, I was in the
complete Yeah, yeah, I was, just it was black.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
It was a start. I just remember waking up and
there I was.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
In the hospital.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Ended up spending another three days there, which then they
brought me back to jail, which then I sat on
a middle bench for eight days and eight nights before
they even got me to a cell.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I guess that whole incident that happened left the whole
jail fucking shook, because.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Well, one when they saw me and they brought me
back to the jail, they wanted to put me on
suicide watch. They thought I tried to get you do that.
And then it took one sert officer to tell somebody
where did he jump off of? Like he couldn't do
that to himself.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I wasn't.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
I wasn't gonna say anything. I don't know how bad
it goes, you know, I wasn't gonna say anything. And
so I remember when I got back to jail, that
same shirt officer who was like trying to everybody like
this boy, and I can do that. You know, something
happened and nobody knows what happen. He came to come
see me and he wanted me to snitch.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
He was like, who did that to you?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
You know, like what's going on with you? And like
he was just being kind of real blunt about it,
you know. But at the time, like I just know,
I don't want to get hurt again.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I'm not a snitch.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
All I know is I was always taught to keep
my mouth shut, you know, just what it is, you know.
But he understood, like he could see.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
It in me that like some something happened to you,
you know.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And then he went and found out where I was housed,
He found out what sells.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I was in, everything like that.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And then by the time I got rebooked back into
the same pod.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
That I was in, I got moved through a different
tier to a different house with a bunch of pools
that were super cool that like my skin color, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And I saw those fools every day every day when
I would.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
Come out for chop.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
We'd all line up, come out getting shot line and
it was always they would let the top.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
Tier out first, and then we come out and get
our food and then everybody in the bottom tier that
they'd just be waiting out the window seeing me.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
And then every day I would see those fulls right there.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Just waiting out the window and they'd be looking at
at me like they need they fucked up that they
thought they got me. You know.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, that's all I remember.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Different months.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Every became of it.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I was gonna say, so like after after, like it's
such a near death experience, how did that?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Obviously it affected you. It's it's impacted you that that's
gotta be something that you know you probably still think about,
like oh yeah, you know you that you got a
second chance.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
In life, bro.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah for sure, Yeah that one, that one was was
a rough one for sure.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Can you say with the like, so you had a tattoo?

Speaker 6 (40:38):
Was it? So? I had a clue that I got
when it was Saint Patrick's Day and I was like fifteen,
and like bunce of dom me, you got a bunch.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Of clothes and in the prison system that means that
means something to a lot of people. And I didn't.
I just you know, I like that too.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So I sat patrick there.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Try to explain that to a bunch of woods in
a cell like it's whatever, you know, and have them like.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Not, so was that not whatever?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
The Texos?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Okay, yeah, no, that was theirs. That was theirs. That
was something they claimed that I don't claim that I'm not.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
I'm not I'm not a part of a brother.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I'm white. That's that's what that is. And they were,
and they didn't like the fact that I was, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (41:28):
I mean, I'm also trying to be like, okay, we like,
let's sit there to talk about this, bro, Like.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah you think.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I don't know you know what that is?

Speaker 11 (41:36):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Like that's like you have way too much time on
your hands in jail, jail, you know.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Like all the time they have, they have all the
time in the world to be worrying about little petty
a ship.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Like how many people get a little.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Weird symbol fucking tattoos like you worked at these old
walk in fucking shops, you know, Like.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I mean for the tattooed on people you're telling like, yeah,
we're not telling people like I'm going to jail.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
That has to be probably the worst tattoo to fucking
tattoo on somebody. Now, yeah, someone walks in and the
like support leave clover. You're like, yeah, I'm not doing that,
and you can do it.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So I'm not trying to.

Speaker 11 (42:20):
But there's no conversation about it, Like they just see
it and then like they they have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
So the first night that I got in jail, I remember,
they put me on it's called a canoe.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
It's just like a bed that they put on the
floor when when there's no bunks left. So our cell
was overpopulated, had a three dudes in.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It, three bunks.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
They gave me a little a little bunk that I
slept on, and I remember was the next morning. They
didn't stay ship to me like the first the first
day that I got there.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
So are they like just eyeing you?

Speaker 6 (42:45):
They're like yo ticket like but like everybody does that
when you walk into jail. You're walking to jail and
everybody's eyeing me. You know, everyone's eyeing you to see
like where you're from or like yeah, a lot of
times you'll do that because like you gotta think about
it when you stay in jail long enough, like that
becomes trung him for a little while. So I want
to know who's coming into, you know what I'm saying.
So somebody comes in, I want to go get him.
I want to see his paperwork.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I want to know what he's here for, because if
he's a weirdo, we're gonna bounce him off.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
We're gonna we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Make sure he does not stay in our card, you know,
which is kind of respected to deal that.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Everybody he saw that I came in on some drug charges,
wasn't crazy or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I was sleeping just like this, I have my arm out, and.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
I just remember oneing the home boys if they're trying
to tell me. He was like, why'd you got that
where you got that clover on him?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
You know? And I remember just telling him too.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
I was like, bro, I'm irish with Saint Patrick's day,
Like I'm like five percent irish.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Maybe, but like nothing, it's a big deal or.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But they didn't like that.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
And I just remember them talking amongst each other, and
I remember one of them telling his son me like, yeah,
we'll take it off of him, you know, We'll tell
you off of him.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Like he don't need to be wearing that. And I
just remember, you know, I'm eighteen now, I'm chip.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
On my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I don't care what you got to say, you know,
it's just yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
This is the you're in the same broom though, mm
hm mm hmmm, because there's no week to be like well,
because there's there's how many of them.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
And then there was three of them when I was
I was just telling them that first day too, like bro,
it's just whatever, like just being.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
A smart being a smart ass teenager, you know, and
they played me. They were like.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Okay, yeah, all right, whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
And then I slept in that bed for about three days.
I was dope sick. I was dope sick.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
They weren't giving me medications in jail to like help
with it or nothing like that, so I just had
to write it out right. So I'm I'm laying there,
I'm dope sick. Finally they open this up for our
hour and they say that we can all go out
or go shower.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Do whatever we gotta do. So that's what I wanted
to do. I went out to go fucking shower. Uh.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I don't know how it is anywhere else, but out here,
we get these little cards in kunt of jail and
it has our our inmate idea on it, and it
has like a little a little bar code and our
picture and shit, and they'll scan those if you go
into like the nurse or or anywhere that's out of
your your pockets.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
They wanted to we're going and shit like that.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I got my card scan so that I go take
a shower, and that same that same ceo that was
there that scammed me in. As soon as I went
in the shower and like got myself a ready, I
turned around, he was gone.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
He was gone.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So I like to think that it was like.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
Very orchestrated and like what they got trying to do,
because he was going, you're not supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Gone for me something like that. And within a few minutes,
I remember all three of.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Them came in one after the other, and it was
so like a it was like a movie scene, like
I could feel it, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I was like, they don't like me, or all three
of them are coming in, They're like something's going on.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
I remember one just came up right next to me,
got on the shower next to me, and the other
two came on the other side and I remember just
like looking side the side, like I know, these foes
don't fuck with me.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
And then before I knew it, all all four of
us were all slipping around but.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
As they could fit me.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And yeah, finally one of them just cracked me good enough,
and I was U.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I don't remember nothing.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
When I woke up three days later now hospital day,
they said they took the bed sheet and they said
they ripped it all up, so it was like nice
and long, and they tied around my neck a bunch
of times.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
And then they just want to get there and they
just left me.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Ill for a tattoo?

Speaker 6 (46:14):
All all I can for me through my smart ass,
because like you said, I'm eighteen and you know, no
fear come and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I get back to jail every time I'm in chiad line,
I'm sitting there like looking at him too.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, so, you know, coming
coming out of the hospital and you're back in there,
you're obviously seeing these guys who you know did that too?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Did you ever have conversation with them again?

Speaker 6 (46:41):
And never gonna have to speak with them ever again.
The only time I ever saw him after that, I
was in Chow. The way we were during the time
that I was in.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Jail, It's twenty three hour lockdown.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
The whole time.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
We were always in ourselves.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
The only time we got out was for child, which
lasted about five minutes because we just got our trick,
bring me, bring it back to our rooms and then
they would let uside for an hour to like watch TV.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
But like, I'm not watching TV and I'm not trying
to sit down and watch TV with people.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Draw or be in my room by.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Myself, you know, I'm not trying to socializing people. And yeah, yah,
was there ever like you know, you like, uh, what
should I say? Did she ever think about like running
like get a revenge?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, you know, but that that comes with a whole
a whole.

Speaker 9 (47:27):
Different because you're not You're you're going in there going
like during this time, how much time do you get?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
How much How long was I in there? Though? Yeah
about two months?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
So but are they lie They're not They're not there
for life?

Speaker 6 (47:40):
No, no, no, I mean you'll get some fools who
got who get uh a little bit of a stay
before they go upstate side.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Sometimes you know, you'll hear about.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
Fools, you know, probably standing there for a year at
the month, sometimes shit before they get moved upstate side sometimes.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
But no, I remember the fools that I dealt with.
I remember one of the homies.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Was telling me he was like a he was like
a heavy hitter, one of the dudes that was in
myself that got me. They were saying he was in
there for some really bad charges and ship.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So damn.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
There was no England to be like.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yo, it was that them though, Oh everybody knew that.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
No, No, like when you said like you were going
like I was that the yah? Is it? Yeah? If
I said it was now. When they got back, they
asked me what happened?

Speaker 6 (48:24):
I said, I don't, I don't know, and I didn't
want to talk to nobody, and I just wanted to
just finish my time, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I didn't want to tell nobody what happened. The last
thing I wanted to do. That was probably that was
probably like the only jail street smarts that I had
running there. I was like, don't snitch. Something happens, don't snitch.
Who hit you the floor? You know?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah I didn't even know.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
So and this was did this happen during your first
like jail experience. Damn, yeah, what what a great what
a wow wow party?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Huh yeah, yeah, welcome to the fucking jail system.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
And then even when I got out, I got locked
up like two weeks later after that off like a
petty Larsen you charged steeling from target.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know, you're locking me back up for another couple
of weeks, and.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Then I was out, And then I did that for
a while.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Were you ever worried that you were gonna see them
again when.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You left and get back.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
No, No, I think I was so just fried, honestly
worried about drugs that that was just like, yeah, that
was that work, you know. I mean you're obviously you're
you're you're clean and dry for you know.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Two months the day that you stepped out, did it
did never like come across your mind like you know, hey,
I've been cleaned now for two months, like marriage, get
my shit together?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Or was like it the opposite wasn't like getting me fucking.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Drugs, was getting me drugs? Yeah, feelingless for every time
I was getting out of rehabit, it was like I'm
gonna get hiding dad. A lot of the times. Most
of the rehab that I had gotten out of.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
I was high that same day that I got out,
and I would be texting my people from like the
day before.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know, I'm about to get out some more off,
like you'll have something for me or I I left rehabs.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I left a couple of rehabs just so that I could.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Go get high there.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I went to a rehab the same day that I
got checked in, the same day I.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
Fucking knock out, went down the street, picked up some
meth and my homeless dude brought it.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Back to the rehab. Got super high all night.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
And I remember that same day they were the rehab.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
They were all talking about like.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Just being honest with people and this and that and shit,
I don't know what what crawled into me to make
me think I'm gonna be honest today.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, And I told the staff and til you know
what I've been doing in my room all night, I've
been spinning a pookie.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Can I get some kind of higher level of care
because like, I'm a squirrely one, Like you didn't even
know I left.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, I left the rehab and they.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Were real, they were real cool, and they're oh Brian,
you know, we appreciate eachelling us this and that and everything.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Just hang out here until the program director comes in
tomorrow morning. We'll figure this all out.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
You know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Went a good spot right into a higher level of care.
And the program director came in the next morning and
said he needs packed this shit. I broke a law.
You can't get high and rehab. You can't bring drugs.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Into a rehab.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's a federal offense. Yeah, and I'm like, I didn't
know the time. Yeah, he's got a new d.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
So, yeah, they weren't gonna get me higher level of care. Instead,
they told me I had to pack my ship and leave.
They packed up all my stuff in a black trash
bag and they were kind enough to get me into
another rehab.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And at the time, I was in a rehab in
a long Beach and they got me into a.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
Place called American Recovery Center, which is actually kind of
like a famous rehab because it used to be like
an old hotel that like celebrities used to stay at.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But it's out me Pomona.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
So they sent me up to Pomona, where I was
there for about two weeks and I wasn't getting high.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And then they used to let like people come in
from the rehab to have.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Like amiens and eatings and like.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Have people outside come and like talk to you. Right,
made friends with somebody that was coming in and talking who.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
Wasn't the best person that I made friends with, because
he ended up sneaking me in some wheat and I
was smoking pot.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And then he ended up bringing me a like one
of those.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Like Obama phones, a little track phones or whatever that
the government was handing out for a while.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
He brought me one of those.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
The first day I have.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
It, I get caught by staff with it because I'm
in my room and I'm just on it and I'm
talking to my friends back home and this and that,
and they catch me with it and they want to
kick me out. So I'm like, all right, this is
rehab number nine and I'm getting kicked out.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, who was your parents putting you in these rehabs? Yeah?
Or was this like some like state. No, dude, Pops
has always just had good insurance and at the time.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
You know, gets faith for me.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, dude week Yeah thirty bands on them. Yeah,
that's cheap.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Yeah, my to day in Watsonville, California, it was like
two hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, and that was for less than six months that
I was there.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
That's a really important ship.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
This was like so thirty bands for thirty days.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah some ship. Yeah right, I'll get you through detox.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
And yeah and all that.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I have like a I was super sour taste in
my mouth with rehabs.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
And I actually, me and Chew we always argue because
we've talked about like therapists and you know, all that
kind of ship, and.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
You know, I think every rehab is very different. Oh
yeah sure.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
But like the biggest thing that I always hated about
him was so my my dad went to multiple rehabs
as well, and we had do family visits and it
was fucking embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Like I hated doing this ship because I was like,
that's in high school and I was like I'm there,
you know, tell my friends like, oh I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
See my dad area.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Yeah, like fucking embarrassing, you know, But my dad was
on you know, math was his fucking main issue, and
you know he was also a little bit suicidal.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
The math took him down a fucking wild ass path.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
But more of the story here is what they what
they kind of taught him was instead of because because
he was suicidal, they didn't want him like, you know,
going off the deep end and tipping.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
So what they taught him was, you know, you did
this because of this. You did this because of this.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
So when he got out of rehab, instead of just
like manning up and accepting and like just being able
to like talk to his family that like, hey.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I fucked up, like hey I've done some stuff, he
was a huge just blame.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Like all this other shit, like, oh I was doing
this because of this.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I was doing this because of this. So I's just
a bed there. But you know, you know, so I'm
not sure if there's some great ones out there, and
I think, you know, should maybe that's a good one, but.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
No, it's true though, Yeah, I think I have a
bad place of my mother through rehabs just because like
they don't really I think here's right. I think rehabs
are good for the purpose, like I said, locking somebody
down for a little while, given them that space in
between the drugs and and real life and having to
do anything.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, where you just kind of sit and stop.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
To take a break.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
But it's like it's like a pause something like that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
But at the same time, it's like, yeah, it's also
a place where you was gott to learn.

Speaker 14 (55:37):
Any more about Yeah, well it, and I think you
have to you have to learn enough and you have
to change enough in the rehab so you don't go
out and just fucking relapse straight away.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
And like like I think, you know, my my dad
was telling me, like, you know, he went to two
major rehabs and both of them he was using within
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Oh yeah, of like fucking both of them because he
he never really learned how to fucking actually battle and
deal with his addiction.

Speaker 14 (56:06):
It was just poor.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
He was secluded from it and he was taken out
of it, and his life was fucking put on a
pause and he couldn't you know, access this that whatever.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
And that's probably the worst thing you could do, because
you take like I said, the problem wasn't me, or
the problems wasn't drug.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
It's the problem is me.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
If I don't do with me drug, that would you know?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
So you take drugs away.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
From somebody who was an at it.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
He's probably even worse off.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Yeah, absolutely, did you need to learn how to deal
with yourself how to deal with drugs, because if you
learn how to deal with yourself, you're gonna know how
to deal with the drugs because the end.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Of the day, it's all mental. No, for our mind
is our biggest fucking enemy. Oh yeah, I play tricks
on me all day and I can. I'm I'm able
to control how it goes. You know, I can play
the date back or forward to rewind it edited out
how I need to, and you know, make.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
It appropect for me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
So I after after nine times, but like what what
was the how many times after that before like.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
It worked or did you?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
So after that rehab is when when I I figured out.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
So I got kicked out of that rehab, Like I said,
I got called phone and I wasn't smoking weed in there,
you know, I wasn't really trying, but I I didn't
really like it didn't really have anybody telling me what
it was I was supposed to be doing to like
live a better life, so that I didn't think.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
About doing practicing alcohol a the mom you know, like.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I said, they were just kind of lock me down
for a little bit. So when I got kicked out
of there, you know, first thing I did, you know,
call my mom dad.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I'm like, hey, you.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Get need to boot again.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I don't know what I'm gonna do. So you know,
you guys wanna come come and get me and tell
me to Pomona, California.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You're all the way in.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Lams Vegas, like you just hearing my dad before me,
He was like, dude, like I love you, but like
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Help your Like can't. I can't do nothing for you.
You're not helping yourself. Did you figure up sleeping phones
in clinking? It's just like three rehabs in less than
two months, you.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Know for that one. And I'm like, you gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
You're right, like you damn, It's like you just gotta
figure it out. I'm sorry, I can't send you money.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You can't do shooting yet. I'm like, alright, gotta figure
it out.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
So I ended up panhandling a couple of bucks just
so i'd get a a bus ticket.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I took that bus to the.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
The metro Link on Promona.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
The metro Link took me to.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
It took me to La First, where I hopped on
the train out there.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
And then took the train to Palmdale.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Now I'm Palmdale.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I had a nephew, my nephew. When we were sixteen
years old.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I got him swimming meth with me for the first time.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
After that, he became a full on methid for for years,
and then he ended up getting involved in alcoholics anonymous.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
And he got sober and he started running.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Like meetings and doing animals.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
And so I hadn't seen this nephew since that time.
So all my knowledge is is that like last time
I saw.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Him, I was getting hatted with him. But from what
I hear is he's out in Palmdale.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Now and he's doing a program and he's like, gott
it shit together, right, So I hit that nephew of him.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I'm like, hey, bro, I'm on the.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
Train right now, I'm coming out to Palmdale.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Like I have nothing, I have nobody, and like I
don't I don't even know what I need playing what
do you do for me? You know?

Speaker 6 (59:17):
And my nephew, the only thing he told me is like, bro,
you get out here, and I'm just taking you in it,
And like I don't know what to do for you meeting.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
But like, I'll I'll take you a meeting you know
where right at So we I get out. I get
out to Palmdale, a hundred picture up from the.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Train station, and the first thing you.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
D is we ended over to the end Game and
I had some of the best people over the guys
gonna say in my life.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Everyone kept telling me about this.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Sober living house that was like right up the street
from us, and I need to go check it out
cause it's your like real like die art and drug
out of you, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
And all I know is is I'm.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Different from everybody. I want different from the great out
and everybody. I need your high level of care because they're.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
Other than the first sixteen ou And everyone was like, no, bro,
you get the high level of carr you meet over
at this in this house, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
So I was like, cool, I'll go, I'll go trade out.
I'll go Seei's about not a dollar in my pocket. Uh.
I had like a backbuye with like a little bit
of clothes. I didn't even like shoes at the time.
I was wearing foot flops. I didn't have nothing. Okay,
you might definitely drive over to that house whence the
meeting is over, and it was stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Like we didn't even knock or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I remember that you walking in and just like walking
in from the doors, everything it's like open like this.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Then it was you walk in and there's a bunch
of dudes just chilling there and a bunch of scary
looking another flats, a bunch of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Dudes that have just got out of prison.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I had like a couple of days clean and sober,
and everybody looked like they were just chilling and hanging out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
And we met the house manager and I remember sent
telling him like my story, like dude, I'm eighteen years old,
I can't stop getting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
High and doing all this shit, and like none of
these rehabs working, like I don't, I don't know where
to be.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
And he looked at me and he was like, well,
this ain't rehab, dude, Like you're not gonna come in
here and not do anything, like if you wanna to
have a better life, like you're gonna do things make
yourself have a better life here, like we don't, we don't,
we don't put them out. Yeah, but I didn't know
what I was gonna entail.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And there was actually super simple dude.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
That same day, that house manager you got me an
AA book and we sat down and we read the
doctor's opinion, and I found out that I had a
physical hours for a drugs and alcohol, you know. And
once I found that out, that was enough for me
to wanted to do a little bit more research and
find out why it is that I'm doing these things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
And that's why I like to say as it was
never the drugs, it was myself. I just I was
reordered to go in to drugs, you know. So, yeah,
I ended up staying at that house I thought suver living.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I was there for.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I was probably there for about three and a half months. Yeah,
and then that three and a half months I worked
at twelve step program.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I was of service.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I was going to about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Six meetings a week. I was like super super involved.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
With the AA community in Pondell.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
And then it's funny cause this is how like the
whole tattooing thing tied all this because during that time,
and we ended up having a guy come in I'm
not gonna say the names, but uh well homies came
in and did like a ten year prison school.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Up from Rock and Goliba. Uh there's like Cooper Shall
right here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah he's I couldn't buy a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I'm back a baby Ida.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
But yeah, I was lucky enough that while I was
at the suburb living, I mean, I guess I could
say this name. Yeah, my homie Matt uh goes by
mohawk Matt well Mat, Yeah that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Nah, he's a real one.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
I won't forgeber once you put me on though, because
I remember see him in school and uh he had
a bunch of base.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Tattooes and he had an aa big book and uh.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
He was kind of all over the place, but he
was soaked and he was telling me the stories about
like they can find and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
He used to get into it, and I can see
where he's at now, and I was just like, damn,
it's not the same person.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
There was like, yeah, so what you doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Like your life isn't like how you're telling me. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
He was like, right here, Booth, it's all of the
Inness book, you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Know, and sho I can show you and whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Same day, I feel gave me a a T shirt
and a pair of shoots that didn't have shoots. You
give me bring me a pair of confidence and swore
fucking placed me up. And I just remember I was like,
damn for I respect you. You know about about that
was cool? Nobody did nothing nice to me like that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
And then uh, he started taking me to all these
AA meetings and shit, and like I said, he was heavily.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Involved in the the tattoo community. He was, and he
was trying to get a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
Tattoo model and when I expect as a covered and
fucking tattoos, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Thought that was cool, right, I just thought that was
really cool, and yeah right, yeah, you like me model
or just being like some of the face of tap
two stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I didn't know that was a thing either. And it
was like here a tattoo ordist. So that's it. You know.
Remember one of our buddies that was in the Sober Living,
he got his hands on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
Some tattoo machines and he was like tattooing at the
house and so like I remember, I got like my
first face tattooed from him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I remember seeing like I was like, well he's got
a hell face tattoos and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Sober, and like, look life's going in form Like you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Could I could do that too, And what was your
first what was your first business.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
I got the butterfly tattooed on my face at the time.
I wanted a tattoo that like represented like growth. Yeah,
and the butterfly fit at the time, and I was like, right, cool,
can calt butterfly tattooed on?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I remember my big hommy too telling me. He's like
that's whack.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
That's super whack. Dude, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah, yeah, he was with me too. You can't remember
me something. Put it on and then Red was He's like, yeah,
that's kind of lacked, Doug, And I was like, no, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I love this. I was stoked.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I was so hyped that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
I was like seeing somebody in my life that had
a crazy path but still is able to come out
of it and still live kind of I shouldn't say
a reckless life, but just a much alternative lifestyle to
sebout how other people are.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Living, you know, and he was making it work and
I was like, tig, you know that was that was inspiring.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Shortly after I randomly got a I got tagged in
a Facebook post some lady in in in our town.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
She had a well known tattoo shop. It was one
of one of the older tattoo shops in Palmdale.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
At the time, she had posted on Facebook that she
was just looking for like a tattoo apprentice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
And like I said, my art.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
Background went as far as just doing graffiti, industreets and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Nothing crazy. Didn't really know how to draw, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
And when I saw that I got tagged in the post,
I was like, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I'm gonna go down there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I'm'na just go check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
And I did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I went in and I sat with the lady for
a little while, and remember she wanted me to draw
a rose, and I drew an ugly little rose for her.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
But I think she was just really impressed with the
fact that, like I was like super honest with her
a summer, like I'm freshly sober and like I'm trying
to turn my life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Around and all this shit and like I need I
need to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I didn't have hobbies and I didn't have any.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Part to do, you know, I didn't have anything consistent
enough to keep my.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Mind occupied on the show. It was just like wake up, go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
To AA meetings and be sober and doing that enough,
we'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
You loaded, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Being like doing that kind of stuff enough and not expanding,
that'll become sick on its own, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
And that's kind of the point that I was getting to.
And so she ended up hiring me, shired me on
the spot, and like I said, no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Art background or nothing like that.

Speaker 13 (01:06:32):
At the time, I was working part time for like
a little landscaping company, and I remember leaving the shot plunder,
I'm gonna go quit this landscape company job and go
give them back to their company truck and I'll come
back here and work full.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Time, you know. Yeah, And she is sucked about it.

Speaker 10 (01:06:46):
I leave, I drop off the company truck, I quit
my job. I go back over to the tattoo shop.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
I walk inside and there's some girls sitting right there
and she's got like a portfolio with her and all
this stuff. And I see the other owner come out,
her husband that he comes out, and I was like, hey, man, like,
can we help you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
And I'm like, I just gotta hired here, you know,
and it's like I didn't hire you, yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I'm like, well the lady did, like yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:08):
And he's like telling me, He's like, no, I just
hired this girl. And he's like finding at the girl
that's in there with her portfolio. And I'm like, no way,
and I just quit my job becomes me ring tattoo
shot and you guys played me like this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
You know so. And so she comes out of her
runs lady hires me, and she's like trying to tell
her I said, no, I just hired him.

Speaker 15 (01:07:25):
And he's like telling her, well, you don't have a
portfolio orthing like that. This girl's in here with a portfolio.
He said, yes, sir, what are we gonna do. They're
talking in front of us, right, I'm looking at the girl,
but you better kick rock can't. Yeah, I can't her first,
This's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
And so I just remember him telling his wife.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
He's like I think He's like, well, we do need
a we do need a body piercer. Bro I live
so fat, and I was like, oh, I know how
to do body christ Yeah. I was like, yeah, we
do that, we do body Christians and they look to me.
So he was just like, oh, well then that's perfect.
We'll hire you the full time body piercer and then
we'll hire her as the apprentice. And mind you, that

(01:08:07):
was like super good for me because I was gonna
be an unpaid apprentice that was gonna go work there.
Now I got a job as a paid body piercer,
you know, so yeah, all right, dead, okay cool like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
That was like my in right there. And so for
like the first couple of months that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
I was working there, man, I was all over YouTube.
I was on YouTube trying to learn how to do
body piercing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
I was just gonna say, how in the fun how
in the fuck do they hire you as a body piercer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
But they don't even like like spot check your work or.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
Like, right, I had no Well, I mean like you
can have like an Instagram or something, you know, pictures
of like your work and things like that, you know,
but I didn't have nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
You know. I barely even had Instagram at the time.
I think the lady was just so enthused with hiring
me at the time that like they didn't even bother
to thinking about looking at my background or anything. Like yeah,
so yeah, she hired me on the spot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
The first thing I appierced was a septum and she
had me do it right in front of her, and
I remember I was so nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I was like I was like shaking nervous. U. Yeah,
I did it fine. She was there for the whole thing.
She watched me do it the one time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
It was on her Homegirl, and I remember her husband
was in the room too, and I was all jittery,
but I did the piercing. It was cool, It was fine.
I YouTube did a bunch of times and I did
the piercing, was fine. And I remember her like looking
at me and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Just going okay, like you're you can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
You're good.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
And after the one time, she never saw me do
another piercing ever again. And I was just going there
and do my piercings for the day and YouTube everything on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
How to learn how to do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
It, and like somebody would come in like howbout piers
one point you'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Like hold on you watching No, So I was already
at home like studying. Yeah, I was really at home
just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
On top of that, we had a guy that worked
in the shop at the time who he was even
a tattoo artist, but he would do body piercings for
like specialty clients stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Things is that they wanted like multiple things done at
the same time, so like they'd get their nipples, their
belly button in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Their ears done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
You know, you'd have like one big thing coming so
you can make a good little chunk of changing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
So he'd have his clients come in and I would
just hang out like I'm just hanging out like normal,
you know, But the whole time I was like taking notes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I'm want to see how he does this and how
he curs, and I did. I learned how to do
like nipple piercings.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Doing that by just watching him do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
So many times I wasn't hanging out and I had
no idea what I was doing. Yeah, we figured it out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
We figured it out. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
If I have, I probably could watch a bunch of this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Let me new friends on you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Okay, So here, here's here's my question for you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Did you ever come clean with the shop, never and
tell them like, hey, guys, like y'all fucking hired a
goddamn and no X right off the street, off the stream.
I've never done a tattoo, I've never done a body piercing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I ever done nothing shot out electric soul.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
Oh my god, yeah, I know that's still fuck with them,
and still there's still good people over there, like I said,
they put me on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
With like getting my foot in the door. Yeah, things
like that. But now I never told him nothing, And
then I never said nothing. It was never there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
So when do you transition for piercings the tattoos. So
remember I said they hired the other ship. Yeah, so
they hired that other ship. She only lasted about six
months before they hear the booth. And in the midst
of me, like I said, YouTube university studying body piercing
is doing all that. I was coming to the shop
every day and I was watching the guys tattoo, you know,

(01:11:42):
I was watching them tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I was also watching.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
I was probably making ok money for the time, for
my age, for my bills, everything I had going on,
Like I was balling right myself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
But I was watching these fools like make just as
much money as I was making a week off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
On tattoo, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
And I was like, oh, this isn't a brainer, Like
I gotta do this.

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, yeah, I started drawing AiZ.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
I started picking out all the books, all the like
the Sailor Jerry books, all like the real classic old
school uh kind of tattoos. And I was like trying
my beds to just minic them and trace them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
And and do all that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
And the whole time I was at that shop and
I once to that I did I tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I once to that tattoo.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
The owner she wasn't there like a whole lot, and
I was mainly left to just hang out with the
guys all day and watching them tattoo, and then on
the side I was drawing, and then the full time
I was like, I'm piercing there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Okay. I wanted to move back to Vegas after I
had uh a year sober. I I felt like it
was never the place of where I was to get
high or anything like that. Cause a lot of people
were like, don't come back to Baga Streets. You can't
get loaded again. And I was like, bro, I can
get loaded right here easily, you know, like that's not
the issue. Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
I wanna come back because where I was living, I
had a whole lot of opportunity, super small town, and
I thought, with the career path that I was now going,
with the tattoo t off on the body piersoners, I
could make something happen out here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
So me and my girlfriend at the time, we moved
to California, or we moved out to Vegas from California.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
And I think for like the first six months that
I was here, I wasn't doing anything but traveling.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
To people's houses to do body piersoners.

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
I was on Instagram promoting myself as like a local
biggest body purser, and I was going to people's houses
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And one of my buddies that works at.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
That worked at Revolt Tattoo. He let me know that
a shop called Star Life was hiring a full time
body piercer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I was like that, I'll go check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
So I went over there. I ended up doing like
just a quick infuse interview. They hired me on the spot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
I ended up piercing there for about a year. And
this is right before the pandemic started.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Okay, and so I'm piercing that for about a year now.
I've made myself super comfortable and I was I was.
I was doing really well out there as just a
body piercer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
But that was the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I had still been watching the guy's tattoo in the shop.

Speaker 16 (01:14:05):
And I knew getting tattooed with something I liked doing,
and sure I would like doing it too, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
And I remember telling one of my buddies, and.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
My buddy Alex, like I was just like picking his
brand part all the time about how he got into it,
and like what should I get first?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I go buy machines or get this?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Like how do I get how I get the ball
bom with this? You know, And this fool just saw me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
He was like, bro, you got to do it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
He was like, you don't need somebody to teach you
how to fix you don't need to do that. You
just need to get some tattoo equipment and do it right.
And I was like, all right, that's intimidating, but like,
I guess I'll just do it. Yeah. So the pandemic
started and all.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
The hotels shut down, right and at the time we
were all joking like they're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Shut down the strip, you know, Yeah, I can spoils
the loss of the strip.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
That's not a fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
And they did. And then when they did, we were
going from the shop I think for about six months.
That whole six months it was you know, it was
it goes sound down there and no one was there.
That was so crazy. Yeah, no one was doing shit.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
Thank God for everyone's a little fun employment checks that
were coming in and shit, because during that time of COVID,
right when the shop stop, I think I spent my
first stimulus check. I'm buying a bunch of tattoo equipment,
and I just started tattooing out of my house. All
the clients and people that I was already meeting from
working in the.

Speaker 16 (01:15:20):
Tattoo shops and stuff, I was like hitting them up,
letting me know, like I got a little spot going
on in my house.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I re renovated a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Room so that I could like tattoo out of it,
like and make it look professional.

Speaker 10 (01:15:32):
I tried to be as like professional as I could
through like the whole process of teaching myself how to tattoo,
as far as like steriization.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
And like the cleanliness of it, bloodborn passages, like doing
everything I could like cover my basis. So if anybody
had anything to say, I'd.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Be like, dude, I'm like legit about this, you know,
like I'm irrigating the time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
To learn this this craft, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:15:50):
So then the strip opens back up, they tell us
we can all come back to work, and I come
down there, and the.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
Hotels gave us like a maximum occupancy, which is only
thirty percent. So I don't know if you know this,
but those hotel school thousands of people. Okay, it's thirty
percent occupancy in any of our hotel zickers, it's a
ghost town.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
There's nobody in there. If they're not in their room
to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
In the strip, there's nobody in the learning the hotel,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
So I went back and I was there for about
two months, and I remember the first couple of days
that I got back, I was like trying to tell
all the homies. I was like, yo, look what I've
been doing over over the course of COVID, Like I've
just been at home.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Tattooing people, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
And they were hi.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
All the homies were hiding, and they were like, dude,
you're like you're good at it, you know, like you
know what you're doing, Like you should just ask if
you could tattoo here, right, And so I did.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
I asked the ear if it was cool, if like
your tattoo, and he was like, yeah, go for it.
I don't care.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
I had nobody teach me, nobody's signing off on nothing,
nobody like overlook anything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
I just started doing it. And then I asked when
I was like, is it cool if I if I
do it here now, and he was like, yeah, bro,
he saw my work and he was like, that's super
cool with me. Didn't even like blink about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Other type it was cool.

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
I probably did a handful of tattoos there in like
a month, and it was not the same as like
when we had left.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Before the pandemic.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
I think I watched almost thirty thousand dollars in a
night from just tattoo sales and everybody you know, pushing
the counter and everything, to then watching like three four
hundred bucks you know, the day and shit, and it
was like, nah, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
During this one of my best friends since high school,
he has kind of a similar story around pandemic.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
His mom bottom bush tattoo equipment.

Speaker 6 (01:17:35):
And the kid's one of the sickest black and gray
artistuff Seen now does portraits so good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
It was only good.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
Tattooed for about four or five years, but during that
time he was at the same thing. He was at
home tattooing. We ended up even hosting like a Friday
at the thirteenth at his house and like had a
whole event had people come through and we tattooed and
we were both talking about it, like, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
You can make careers out of this, Like I think
it's it's profitable enough for us, so like live come
to me and just and just do this, you know,
all of a sudden, this will pulls up to my
house one day, it was on my birthday, and he
bought me a my home. He got me a blender
and inside the blender was a set of keys, and
I was like, what are these keys?

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
He's like, dog, I bought a tattoo shop.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
And I'm like you did what, bro.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
We were like not even a year, not even a year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Into like just there and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I was like, no, dude, I bought it a tattoo shop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Like it's already a tattoo shop.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
So I bought it from somebody and like we're gonna
run it. And I was like, oh my.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
God, like I don't know if I'm ready for all this,
but like at the same time, like I'm not really
making money over it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Starlight now, like it's dead, Like fuck it, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Yeah, And so we did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
I ended up working at that shop for about four years.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Me and the homies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
We built it from the ground up.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
We renovated the whole thing and got.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
Like ourselves established, hired a bunch of our other homies
that we grew up with, So all the all the
all the dudes that I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Was tattooed with for like the last couple of years.
These my childhood friends here.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
My homies I grew up with before I got into
drugs and stuff like that, before they said they stay
away for a little bit. You know, I had to
go away, get clean, find a career, get myself right,
come back and get all my homies back. And we
all started working under the same roof, you know, wow,
And we did that successfully. They're still doing they're still
doing it successfully. Shout out blood and tears.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
They're they're killing it over there.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
You know, those are my best friends over there. But
we all just learned off each other. Like I said
about homing, I was laying black and gray. I was
over here learning how to do traditional work. Thank god,
we also had another homy to have like a year
more experience than us. I was trying to like show
us how to do it too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
And we just waned it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Man. We just figured out, like I'm five years in now,
I still like to think though, I'm still.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Like, y'all just winged it, bro, That's like the model
of your whole fucking life, my guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Literally, like you've just been winging like like like starting
off piercing like that is one of the.

Speaker 6 (01:19:59):
Some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Like dude, like there's you know, I think about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
All the jobs I've had, you know, like over the years,
and like people show up, you know, people show up
at fucking jobs not knowing what the fuck they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
But it's like it's it's shit, big jobs, Like yeah,
it's like shit.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Like you know, you you learn how to do a
software program on a computer, you learn how to you know,
do something, you know, whether it's physical labor or something.
I've worked construction jobs, I've worked you know, corporate jobs,
all sorts of shit, you know, but like that's really
fucking wild that like piercing, you know, you're puncturing somebody's
fucking skin.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
You winged it. So like I think at the time too,
I thought is like in like middle school, I think
I like pierced a couple of years, like you know,
with friends and stuff like that. I'm just trying to
do side piers like my own ears or whatever. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Funny hell, A funny story on that in UH.

Speaker 17 (01:20:52):
In college, I used to charge fifty bucks to UH
to pierce people's ears.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
I got my ears pierced.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
So I grew up in northeastern Montana, where ye, a
fucking earring in your ear is absolutely absurd, Like you're different,
you're a I won't say it. You guys want to
you guys don't want to get Yeah. Anyway, I was
just frowned upon. But I remember I go to college.
I ended up getting my ears pierced, and the studs

(01:21:22):
that they pierced my ears with were I got. I
got done at Claire's and the fucking studs you know,
are like super sharp, right, they're super sharp studs. So
I remember I kept these studs. I got different ear rings.
I kept the studs, and I would fucking tell people like, hey,
bring it, bring a set of ear rings, and it's
fifty bucks. So I would use my stud I use

(01:21:45):
my stud that was fucking sharp. I would fucking dip
it in some sanitize, yeah he's got, And I started
a fucking I don't I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Think you did the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Yeah it was it was like some fucking tito's a
smart off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
There's some nasty vodka.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
What's like the bottom of barrel up off?

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
So I would I would literally take take my my
fucking studs, I got my ears with, dip them in
some fucking sanitizer. I'll take an ice cube in a
washboth I would ice. I would ice the front in
the back of their ear, and I just fucking just
pop it through. And then once I popped it, I
literally get their new stud and I'd pull it and

(01:22:34):
and then and then put another one right in like
within second hand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Hlarious.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
But dude, that's that's fucking sick man.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
Honestly, dude, I feel a lot of people can like
take away like your message though, like you literally are
just you just jumped in and tried ship, bro. And
although you jumped in and tried ship that you had
no fucking idea about, you did what you had to
to figure it the fuck out, even difficult tasks, bro.

Speaker 11 (01:23:04):
Like, I mean, it's real easy to get discouraged to
be like you don't have to probably this ship it
for me, yeah, right, But like the willingness to keep
going and get better and like watch the YouTube videos
and watch other people tattooing, like that's that's like I
think about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I mean, he's obviously a barber.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
You know, we're reporting live from a barbershop right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Like I think about, like, you fuck up somebody's hair.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Let's be real, it's not a big deal. Like she
goes back like yo, you you like you really fuck up.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Somebody's fucking piercing and fucking you know, Like that's I mean, yeah,
like holes eventually all.

Speaker 17 (01:23:40):
Up, but there's gonna be a mark, there's gonna be
something like yeah, or like you like a fucking tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Like you know, damn bro, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
I think. I think in the midst of all this,
what I've enjoyed the most out of like the whole experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Like taking on your task with tattooing appears like the.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
Shop, like everything is that it goes hand in hand
with what I was doing when I was trying to
get sober, when I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Originally I found what was working to like make my
life better.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
I noticed that I found the same thing in like tattooing, right,
I can, I can, I can strive for better every day.
I could be willing to learn and grow. It's just
the same as tattooing, because the best, you know, even
the best tattoos in the world, they're still finding out
new things and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Like they're they're evolving more. You know. That's kind of
where I applied that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
Yeah, that's also it's it's always a new challenge, you know,
like there's always gonna be some new tattoo that comes
your way that you've you know, never done, you know,
like that's just how life is in general, Like you
can never really prepare what's going to happen in fucking life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
All you can do is just take ship day by day,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I think that's that's huge.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
And addiction as well, Like you bad addiction, I'm sure
on a daily basis, but it's something that you don't
think about tomorrow or you don't think about two weeks
from now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
You think about what's in front.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
Of you and not said that, And that's I think
with the program that I was involved in taught us
it was to be present right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
I don't even worry about it that's going on tomorrows
right in there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
Yeah, I think it's extremely important too, bro, Like anybody's listening,
like maybe for you, like this whole story brought.

Speaker 9 (01:25:25):
There's there's four like key turning points, like people that
really really helps you, obviously your parents, your nephew, right,
like I don't know how many people.

Speaker 11 (01:25:37):
Like the fact that he you know, you introduced him
to it, right and then he you know, got like
you know, he got cleaned nowt he's helping other people,
Like he could have very well had some negative feeling
towards you and been like oh for sure, no, right,
but like the fact that you know, like that he
was there and he helps you, like b the lady

(01:25:58):
with the tattoo thing, right, like letting you yeah, like
come on, and then just like that situation happening to
like yeah, I don't have the fears, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
And there's another one that I forgot, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
There's just a lot of You've had a lot of
angles who walk this path, bro. So it's like it
might feel like you're winging it, but I think it's
a lot of it. Like there's been these people here
bro to like keep you going to where you're at.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Now, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I mean I think that's that's fucking possible to see.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
But I think you know, another thing that sticks out
to me is like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
It's you know, you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Wouldn't have like you wouldn't be where you are here
today if it wasn't for people giving you an opportunity, you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
Know, And a lot of times I ad, I just
I just wanted somebody to give my chances as.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
I think that's that's unfortunate thing in life.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
It's like I feel there's a lot of people today,
especially in our society today.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Man, it's a it's a fucking cold world out there
for sure, and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
There's a lot of people that you know, I was
just talking to somebody about, you know, people giving opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Like you know, a lot of people get to places
in life because of opportunities.

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
So it's like I'm I'm that kind of person where
it's like, if I ever have an opportunity to put
somebody on or put somebody in a place to fucking win,
I'm gonna do that, yeah, because like I know how
important that is, you know today And it's like I
feel most people probably could have looked at you be
like you know, this guy's a fucking loser, you know,

(01:27:28):
no offense, but like let's be real, like fucking bunch
of rehabs fucking you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Know the originally it doesn't look too great.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and like and that's that's the fucked
up thing with Bill world today is most people they
judge a book by its cover, and they look at
people and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
They're like, oh, well he's done this that whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
He's probably not you know, he might be good today
for two months or three months, but he's gonna fall
off or you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Know some shit like that.

Speaker 11 (01:27:53):
So but even even like taking the opportunes right and
like go because like going to extream Rode to like
watch the videos.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
I think that's it is like the people presenting them, but.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
It's also like taking their fucking running with.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
It though, Yeah yeah, I think I think that's great, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
So how long you've been sovering though, I'll take eight years.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
You need your life years. I was hero Yeah, that
was just as long as I was using. So I
was using for about eight years. Most of that time
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I was an IVY user, So I was like, heyed
he stuck on it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
Yeah, now I'm coming up on my mouth my milestone,
and it's just as long as the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Time that I was using. I don't like to bring
up like touchy subjects or if this happened.

Speaker 5 (01:28:38):
But have you you know, since since you, I guess
got into the piercing, the tattooing, you left the landscaping job,
you were at the you know, sober living halfway kind
of house. AA means all that kind of stuff. When
you know, basically, when you turn the corner in life,

(01:28:59):
since you turned the corn in life, have you have
you relapsed?

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
So here's here's one thing I like to say.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
I don't claim sobriety the simple effect that I'm not
sober because I do smoke weed. Keep a wax fan
on me. I was completely drugging, alcohol free, we everything
for four years. Therefore, I turned around and I made
the decision that I wanted to smoke a little bit
of weed have a drink. And I don't recommend that

(01:29:32):
to anybody who's a covering addict that wants to go
in and try that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
I did extensive work to make.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
Myself right with me to be able to have a
drink with impunity, and even at that, I don't care
to today. But like I said, I won't claim sobriety
for the simple fact that. I think that the people
who are really sober work really hard to have that statement.
You know, Adham plan off heroin, and I'm stoked with
that because when I smoke weed, I probably won't rob you.

(01:30:01):
If I do a little bit of heroin, Ah'll be gone.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Yeah, So it's a it's a different fake thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
I think a message that I would like to get
for anybody that's like on drugs and just trying to
you know, better themselves, is that that twelve set program
isn't isn't a program to teach you how to get
off drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
In nineteen ninety in nineteen thirty nine, we took one
hundred people through those those steps. Ninety three of those
people stayed one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
Sobers the day they got the other seven percent, their
lives not dramatically better.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
It's a it's a it's a program that just how
to live better.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
You know, I recommend anybody that's not that's on drugs,
not on drugs, that wants to just flip through it and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Find out how to little better life, because that's that's
where it does.

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
It doesn't teach you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:52):
To go to Haya meetings and to do all this
other and other stuff. You just have to be right
with yourself and your higher power so that life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Drugs and alcohol are a thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
So and by doing those days.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
That's why I think I can have a drink of
community and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Not be excessive about it because I'm not I'm not
feeling anything no more.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
I'm not feeling voids. I'm not I'm not trying to
you know, self medicaid or nothing like that. Yeah, joining
a party and yeah, normal life things, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
Yeah, I think this is probably like a controversial like
this could be a super controversial topic, but I I
think it actually shows you know, your strength and growth
even more, that you've gotten to the point where you
can have a couple of drinks. You can you can
stalk some weed too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
I mean, we we today has evolved so much.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
I mean, we got strains of weed that help with
you know, stress and anxiety.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
And sleep and you know wead weed is is more
to me.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Honestly, like a medication. It's I think we used to
be looked at a pond. It like that's that's a
true Like I don't even know if I call them drug.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Anymore, but yeah, it's but I think in that community
they want to call it a drug just because it's
a mind alterum substance exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
Like you said, that program also teaches us not intention Yeah, okay,
I'm not sitting here smoking weed because I'm sad.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I'm life visible and this is that. And then I
know I'm enjoying the fruits of my lever. It's just
snuf and pie and concentrate to be my tattoos and
and enjoy myself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
There's like a different.

Speaker 6 (01:32:29):
Intent behind it then, Like I don't that's sneakyo, Yeah
you have intention?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
It starts with the intention as that's Yeah, that's actually
interesting because like I I talk about that a lot
where it's like you know, like weed weed with me
as well, like brings out like creativity.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Yeah, and like I always say, like, you know, people
get me shit like oh you're.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Out all the time, man, or like fucking you you're
fucking alcoholic. You know, I can always party it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
I I don't drink because I want it, I crave it,
I need it, or I'm escaping from something. Yeah, I
truly drink just for like the social aspect of just
you know, and I think if I ever got to
that point because I came from you know, addiction in

(01:33:19):
my family.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
I think I would always kind of be like, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Starting to get to a point where I'm like craving
or like want this, Like like I was, I was
over with my friends, Like I could party for the
next two weeks and then I could not drink for
a year, you know, like I don't buy any means
crave it. But I think it's it's a lot of
perspective and everyone looks at things different. But you know,
to my comment earlier, I think that just shows.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Actually how far you've come of that, the fact that like,
you know, hey, like.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
I can have a drink, I can smoke some weed
and it's not gonna you know, take me down different
cap because I think that's why it's so frowned upon.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Like if you're sober, you're sober. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
And if if you're you know, if you use anything,
you know, you're you're not considered you know, sober, because
these are these are gateways, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
I think I think that's the big thing, right, It's
like these things, you know, open the door for you
to maybe want to, you know, get that craving and
get that high or something.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Again and again it's it's not everybody's issue that you're
using drugs, because like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
What kinds of using drugs?

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
All that's yeah, that's the problems that people are having.
It's not it's yeah, it's the kind.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
Of behavior and the things that you act like you're
taking drugsy way you still are still.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Kind of that same that same head space.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Yeah, it's so much more like internal and like mental strength.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
And just like that you have to you know, you
made the comment like you were completely sober for four years,
Like you put in four years of working on you
know you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
So it's it's just a lot more. Yeah, so CODs
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Yeah, so it's me.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
We've always say, been shopping for quite some time now.
It's done great, But I guess I would like to like,
I would like to wrap this up, is you know today, Yeah,
you're obviously working a rapp rent.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
That's that's how I I I met you. Where what's
what's Brandon's future hold?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
What's in like what's your game plane?

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
Do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Like I have big aspirations?

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Yeah, the terrible Uh, there's a lot of things that
i'd like a U.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Now, now, let's say five years in tattooing, I've I've
witnessed and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Been able to to visually see like where this can go.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Yeah, I've watched some people.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
S see the the highest level because of it, and
and that I think that's all I want for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
I I just I wanna be in a in a
very comfortable place, and I know that like tattooing can
take me there.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
For this sple fact that life, I had a job
that I enjoyed, you know, not that many people enjoyed
their jobs and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I get a kum to work, like so stoked that
I get to do what I do.

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
You know, yeah, I know that that probably right, there
is enough motivation to like keep me working harder at it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
And with tattooing, it's like it's repetition where you get.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
The better you get.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
So like, I'm actually I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
The future necessarily has a hold of it, but I'm
really excited to see what it has, you know, to see.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
What other people go through.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Yeah, I'm I'm super excited. I got a first convention
not too long ago that was a cool like eye.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Opener to see like other tattooers across the world, and yeah,
like be able to you know, experience that on a
much bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Scale than just yeah tattoo not my own or even
out of the shop, and even not being over at Reverend.
I knew about Reverend.

Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
Tap two ten years ago before I started, you know,
tattooing or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
I had already heard about, you know, the guys that
were working up there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
So to be able to have Joey hire me over there,
oh my god, such an honor.

Speaker 6 (01:36:56):
Yeah, that that was like him hiring me over there
was like n enough for me to think like, Okay,
I'm good enough, you know, to be like really really
doing this shit like I I might have just been
attaching my homies for the last you know, four years,
but that's my homie. Sell me that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Yeah, if if you don't mind me asking, so, you're
you know, before you came to Reverend, you were at
the shop.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
With all like your homies. What was your reason for
leaving the shop with your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
I just wanted different different opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Gotch different things.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
It's it's super like I love my homies, but I
love my homies so much it's that like, yeah, we're
all like brothers over there, so how sometimes maintain like
a yeah, super professional.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Out of kid and we got your homies in the
South or you know, which can be beneficial sometimes, but
then sometimes it's like ye doing dude ship. So I
just wanted to new opportunity and whatnot. And when I
found out about possibly being able to come and work
over at Reverend, that was that was something that like
I just hike you, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:58):
Prior to ever working with my friends or like working
at other guys shops, excepting you about the shop, and
now you should think.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Like be I go hid to work over there, and
you got guys over there.

Speaker 6 (01:38:07):
There tattooing like like some real shit, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm trying to get on that, you know, yeah, super
honored to be over there. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Yeah we'll get out.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Uh, you don't, girl unless you're ncomfortable with that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
And I think you're trying, you know, getting outside of
your comfort zone, out you know, from your friends and yeah,
putting yourself in a spot like you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Know, Joey and you know everyone over there. I mean
it's a bunch of great artists.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
That was like you know you was life thing too
that happened in a day like two days of like
thinking about like maybe doing something new, going and talking
Joe and talking to the homies and making a decision.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Yeah, And I was like, alright, yeah, this is we're
doing We're doing it right. And if I have, if
I have any word of advice or any words of
advice for you, keep winging it. Yeah right, I thank
you so much. Before your time to go from now
you gotta drive out. Yeah, exploring didn't mean the delay
or you're right here so long ago. That's an awesome gulp.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Yeah to this camera. Bro, it's just one last thing
you want. If you have any other beautiful message of
sens like probably going through some ship or you know,
maybe that's.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
At where you've been, give them some some game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Just keep asking questions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Don't give up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
If you're struggling, just you know, then there's a better
way to live out there.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
And people out there have answers for sure, But keep
asking fine people, somebody that is attractive in a way, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
That's what you want, you know, And and and follow
the footsteps like you know, maybe not always do a
perfect key and stuff like that, but you can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
You can really you know, lead by example and you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Know follow some of those actions and you know they
can happen for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Yeah, just be trying and there is other Thanks so
much for alright, see you guys on the next one
face face that was dope, man, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
That's dope. Where you're a natural dude. We we can't
booking at this scam, dude because I.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
I look at my fucking battery was the die the
din Oh god, we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
You guys have three cameras the whole time, Like what
is it?

Speaker 6 (01:40:20):
Like? M m that was just like whole words opposed
to the same thing cause it's three different clips or so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
It's it's interesting, right.

Speaker 11 (01:40:28):
So it's like I had this AI program that basically
tied connects it together with the audio tie so and
then like I just kind of like you know when.

Speaker 8 (01:40:37):
You're watching a sports like football, there's like it switches
to all the different camera angles.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Yeah that's somebody pressing the bones.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Yeah, So like I kind of just all upload it.

Speaker 11 (01:40:48):
And then I chop up where the most of the
work is like the clips, yeah, where I'll just do
all the clips for like I make them intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
Yeah, no, it's people in your page relier to Dancy
and hey guys, you guys kind of trimm him down
and see like the little shorts and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because we'll post I mean we did what.

Speaker 6 (01:41:05):
Like ten weeks time, so nice, nice, and so on
those we you guys, like you guys collaborate all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Or just like a one met mom video or like
so the so well so.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
That there'll be a full length video of the whole
podcast tool that will put up on YouTube. Okay, so
you'll obviously have that length anyone who wanted to send
out to you know, watch the full episode and then
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