Ike Catcher

Join Summer Helene and Bear Fiorda on Behind the Scenes as they chat with Ike Catcher, the 6’9” Muscle Beach legend known for his extreme calisthenics, acting, music, and philanthropy. Discover how he’s shaping Venice Beach culture and inspiring millions!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to Behind the Scenes for you're half asked entertainment
news with no bullshit with our hosts, The Baroness and
Bear Fjorda, only on Talk four Media. Hello, Hello, welcome
to Behind the Scenes.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm your host, Ladies Summer Helene, and we are on
with my co host, Weird.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Punching Bradisper in the cage. You're just sitting Hi. Wait,
you don't like my shadow boxing. You don't find what
I do sex?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You like that you literally punched me last night. I
don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You know what? They had a live stream just for
the radio show. We discussed some things that what happens
with fighters after they do it for so many years
when they sleep, that they end up fighting in their sleep,
in their dreams, and they came up with some really
good ideas for you to help out with this situation.
We'll hit Yeah, that one John, they specifically nut tap him.
What was the best way to deal with that? I

(01:19):
gotta tell you right now. I think that if you
nut tap me in my sleep, I will just fight back.
I think I'll turn it up. But there's also that one. No,
you do push you.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
When I've tried to push you away, you actually do
fight Mola. So I have to like half wake you,
enroll you, or tell you to turn to roll over.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I feel like there's a chance to just wondo. What
if it works, I'll try it tonight. No, please, don't
don't do that work. I'll tell you guys how it was.
I'll tell you how it works. No, I don't need
that to happen. I need that to stay way provable gaming.
Welcome to the live stream sleeping Though I'm not a fighter, Hey,
maybe just a restless sleeper dude, who knows. Definitely we're

(01:56):
talking to uh whoever you sleep with about it act.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I actually wanted to do the intro to the show
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages,
and I was like, we're an eighteen and over show.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it's not of all ages. We don't have six
yearlds watching this.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I was talking about nutapping, but no, I would like
to know if there's a six year old watching this show.
I want to speak with a deeply, deeply irresponsible parent.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I want to speak to your parents right now.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I want to speak with a deeply irresponsible parents.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
This is speaking of a deeply irresponsible speaking of deeplyers.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, okay, there was a fighter in the last week.
Bryce Mitchell came on and said that the Hitler was
not a bad guy. This is on metube, asshole, and
that he was only trying to remove the certain section
of people from the country at the time because they
were greedy. Okay, on behalf of Jews everywhere. I'm only half. Yeah,

(02:47):
I'm only half, but I will I will speak for Jews.
You're gonna talk about the bad mustage.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, fuck the bad mustache man. And I hope he
has a pineapple shoved up his rerectum every day in hell.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
He might be.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I don't know what his hell looks like. What if
that's his personal heaven? Pineapples in the rectum? Tell me
what movie that is?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
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thank you so so much for my hair pieces Tiny
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Speaker 2 (03:23):
I always say that.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
That's actually my sister in laws company, and she does
my I love it.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But that's why we shout her out.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Well, I shout her out because she does my hair.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's still nice of you. Yeah, and of course you
want to give a shout out to our hotel, Yes,
Ambassy Sweet Spine Milton in Phoenix, Arizona. I will never
forget it. It is impossible for me to pree people.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
We will be back there speaking at Phoenix Comic Con.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
That sounds good to me. Proval gaming pineapples hurt their
spiky Yeah, that's kind of the idea homide. So this dude,
that's all in favor of so well. He said that,
and then on the same episode he or maybe episode
two or whatever, because he did do on his podcast,
he went into like there was another conspiracy, and he

(04:06):
went into the flat earth conspiracy as well, and you
see the he just when you heard about the whole
Schmiler thing, he went on to a press conference and
he just for ten minutes talked about how absolutely dumb
this fighter is. Okay, ten minutes straight. Is like, he's
just so unbelievably dumb. He good for you. Don't know

(04:27):
why I'm going to say this. Hold my take.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
He drilled them.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
We're gonna, We're gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, to the fighters out there, I understand you want
to make a name for yourself pointing out the positives
of genocide. That is not how you drink tea. But
you're very cute the positives of genocide. To bring up
that's to bring up the positives of genocide makes you

(04:52):
an idiot. And there is no amount of CTE you
can get that will excuse that word. And I promise
you promise you people using this administration. And I'm not
a fan of this administration. I wasn't a fan of
the last administration. I think America is a failed country
and should be returned to the Commonwealth, White House, whatever.

(05:13):
So the point is, like, this is a very pro Israel,
pro Jewish administration. You know, his daughter like married Jewish guy,
his kids, his grandkids.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
His family have decided there. First of all, they change
their names and they're like, no one's ever been named
Adolf again we I think his own family.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I was talking about the current administration this country.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh why are we on about that?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I was simply saying that the people that are super
pro Trump, Trump is super pro Jerusalem, super pro Israel.
So it's very weird to me that that that the
anti Semitism has come with it.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's a very weird sect that kind of comes into
the place. There's all the same people to talk about conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Theory are right about about Adolf Humpadink's family. They actually
decided never to have children. Yes, they wanted his line
to die like that. Do you know how big an
asshole in history?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
You have to be your family? No more kids? We
did something wrong, like the whole lion eyes out. Nobody
gets children prop gaming. The tea was not good. I
do not like Earl Gray tea, but she loves it.
So if you drink from.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
The other side, there's no lipstick here. Try Okay, you
just got to not drink or I drink from the lipstick.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Still Earl Gray tea. I'm going to give this back
to you, but no. He was also going on about
how Bryce was so dumb that he drilled into his
into his nutsack with a drill and then had to
reverse the bit to get it out what. I don't
know the context. I don't know if it was a
dare or why he did it, but he did it.
There's photo evidence of the boxers in question. M I

(07:00):
don't know us to describe that. I don't want you
kind of MacGregor Bryce Mitchell. I don't want you.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
One.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Don't bring up that guy's name again. Let's not give
him airtime. He's a moron, obviously, that's why he's doing
those stunts. Two, he's now on the list of people
I don't want you. Well, he's now on the list
of people I don't want you fighting, because anyone that's
stupid doesn't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think Bryce is too I don't think he fights
my wedving is too late.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Then fight him. He could use with some CT maybe
able to straighten things out. That's fair now, all joking
aside for those that are into m M. A CT
is a big, big deal. One of Bear's closest friends.
He has like three friends in total, which is mostly
you guys online. A doctor friend of his and who's
married to his manager. And this guy cho that he

(07:46):
trains with.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Not for what you're talking about at all, our technicians
being funny. He's always funny. I love him. Tell him
he based our technician and those who no one's able
to read him. Only we can see. He said that
Mitchell could have just taking the bit out of the
drill and push the rest through.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
That is how stupid this guy is. But that's the thing.
You're smart enough to know that, Oh man, smart?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
And your friends with Joe like you, you have a
very limited number of friends. And your friend too, is
actually dealing with brain damage and CT from MMA now.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And he's had to quit. Well, he's he's stopping for now.
He was he would like to get back into it,
but he does have not a He went from a
mild at this more testing. They come back and said
it's a moderate TBI that could result in permanent brain damage.
So there chat. He's getting a lot of tests done,
but he's already having a lot of terrible symptoms. He
found he's got newfound depression, he's got a cloudy brain.

(08:42):
He can't focus on tasks, so it's it's definitely like
you know, keeping tabs on, keeping check on him, of course,
but it's not very real thing. Anyone can go through it,
and it only takes one You'd never know how your
brain can react when getting hit, and at that, if
you get hit and don't pick up on the signs,
you could then go back and do more training and
get more hits. Concussion at concussion that leads to traumatic

(09:03):
brain injury.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
We sent Barren for testing because we thought he had
a brain injury. It turns out his lost hearing in
part of his art and that's why he was ignoring us.
It was not brain injury. But the first thing we
did was go does he have brain damage?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And we sent him in. Turns out he has tonight
us and his death. But tonight, it's for sure, it's
a very lightful I like tonight. It's thank you very much.
I don't have full on like so it's always ringing.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
It wasn't brain damage why he was ignoring as he
couldn't hear us. But all joking aside. Mma is really
hard on the body.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, of course it is. It's hard on any physical
sports gonna be hard. On the body. But now you
add combat sports to that where everything not only is
are you doing damage to yourself, you're taking damage from
somebody else. So it's it is very hard on the body,
you know. It's It reminds me very much like football.
Football has very similar injuries to MMA for that matter,
but they tend to get more concussions because instead of just.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Oh I forgot, I'm supposed to send someone to film
cash Cassius Marsh We're doing a TV show with him,
fab guy Alexis and see if Cassius needs the.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Film the shoot off that means video filming. Do not
flag me?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I mean at YouTube.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Video filming. Why would I get you flagged? It was
the other word, Oh, okay, shooting got it. Oh we
can't say that, or we try not to say that.
Stupid TYPG. Now now we're back to CT. Now we're
back to stupid MMA fighters.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I just found it really funny that he was on
about him for ten minutes for being such a fool,
and then he's he's gone on further, He's done other debates.
But I think it's funny that MMA attracts a lot
of people who kind of really buy into either hate
or conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
And it has to do with the demographic.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So boxing did as well.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
You when you don't come from the best place, so
you don't come from the best area, you don't have
a lot of options to get out. Part of the reason,
you know, we're working in Nigeria, We're working with the
King of Nigeria.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Shout out. Bear is going to be fighting sense Seth there,
it's a whole thing. We're looking at Joe.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
It looks like, you know, we're talking to cowboys, Seroni,
we're talking to Bisbing to do a rematch with Henderson.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Like it's a whole thing.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
But the big event there is this last man standing
kind of combat where it's done in brackets and the
last guy there does you know, kind of wins and
so we have exhibitions. Bear will be an exhibition Joe
and you know, Joe and Cowboy and Hindo and Bisbing.

(11:37):
We were looking at Tyson. We're not sure what's going
on there, but essentially it's it's a huge thing. But
the reason they like MMA there is it doesn't take
a lot of gear. It's not like footy. It's not
like a lot of these sports where you have to have.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
No, you just have shorts and you have little gloves.
That's it mean.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Much else not always little gloves.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh and Diego Sanchez. And Diego Sanchez is going to
be a shout out to Diego Sanchez.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
He's a friend of the show. We've had him on before. Yes,
and his douchebag of an ex manager. I hope gets
hit by a bus.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think he's been I think he's far away from
Joshua Fabia now, thankfully.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I still think you should fight Joshua Fabia.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
He will never fight you. He won't fight. We really tried,
we really make that happy. He'll never go for it.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I was like, Okay, you said you were tougher than Diego,
Come fight Bay.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's fine. It's been really easy. I wouldn't I would
make it very fun. No, I'm very easy to fight.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Are you lying to try and get him to fight you?

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yes, you will win.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Mister Fabio Fabia. No, I like Fabio. It's Fabia.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yes, Fabio is hot, been on every romance. How old
is he this?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
He's one hundred and seven, but hear me out every
Mills and Boon cover like you know those like the
It's the Panty Droppers, the penty drop He was on
the cover of every single, like.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Mills and Boots.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
So you grow up and it's like the you know,
his hands crept stealthy up her silken thigh.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
She shuddered with anticipation, like that, there's really trash thoughts.
Oh yeah, it's it's like girl's porn.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
But essentially it's like those romance novels, and he was
painted on the cover of all of them.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that he
probably has what's that song from the famous country singer
Where's I'm not as good as I once was, but
I'm as good it was. That's his whole lid is good.
If he quotes if you could have anyone on as
a guest on here, who would it be and why?
I'd say someone interesting, like an undertaker, maybe counter reefs.

(13:44):
Who would be your preferred guest? Like your your your
number one pick?

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Who do you want on the show?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'd like the King, my king, the King of England. Yeah,
the King of Australia. Fine, he's the King of Australia.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay, Australia.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'd like him. I would like, if it's Mma, I'd
like Connor McGregor.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I would say, if it's anyone to interview from any
point in time, I would like I'd like Trump or.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Putin's political Yeah it's well, no I'm talking about this time.
Or if it's like an actor or that sort of thing. Yeah,
I think Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Okay, so you want ke you would say, like number
one pick is Keanu Reeves. Number one pick would be
I don't want to end up the king.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I don't want to end up like Tucker Carlson did
with Putin when he was kind of just Putin's bitch
for the entire thing. I'd like to remind everyone every
time we use bad language, we give money the Boys
and Girls Club of America, the Humane Side of America,
and free mm A. We sweat because we can.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I can give you my favorite guest. Okay, all right,
it's I Catcher. Welcome to the show man. I'm just checking.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hello. Hello, hear me, yeah, welcome me?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Good?

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yes? Good? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. How you
guys doing.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
We're doing good man? Thank you for asking.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
We had the bird flu for like a month. Alexisneely died.
It was a whole thing that was born around.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It was great. We didn't know it was a thing.
We called it.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
My uncle was in the hospital because he got like
bit by a raccoon, so he's.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Got some obscure disease.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
We go to visit him and we caught bird flu
and Alexis Neelly died.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
So it's been fun.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Oh my god, man, I'll call something too. It was
pretty pretty strong. I'm not sure it was the birth flu,
but probably you know.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, I'm glad, just doing better and uh, you know,
it's been a tough start to the year.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's been Yeah, No, for sure, it has been. Yeah,
you look like you were coming from somewhere.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Fun, man, are you off as we always do? All right? Also,
so that this is what happened. H hear me? Yeah,
you me, Yeah, so this is what happened. You know.
I've produce full shows. So right now I'm at.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
The Sacks Avenue and I was supposed to I was
supposed to have the schedule a little different, and they
move things around, so I had to do a little
bit earlier. Yesterday I confirmed for twelve with you guys.
So right now, well we're gonna get ready to do
a lion dance. So basically me and my performance, we're
all getting ready. We're gonna bless this beautiful mall. We're

(16:49):
gonna go through with the lions and uh yeah. So
this is very basically what I'm betting ready for. But
still taking a little time out to have an interview
with you guys because you know, I love you guys,
love on the show. And remember last time we had
a really good interview.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
So I'm glad to be back back list, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm loving that.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Where are you at? Can people come check this out?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
This is in the.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Oc uh Sacks fifth Avenue. Oh see, Uh the exact
location is uh, let's look at exact location for almost second.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
I'll tell you right now. Uh. I love that.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, good old Orange County. I like that.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, if you guys want to find Ike in the
wild head out there, that is really really cool.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I make sure you're following his social media. It's one
of my favorite people to follow.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
He comes up with the coolest workouts and the most
random stuff and people interesting to see.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
It's free, free, free Bristol, Bristol Avenue, Coasta Mesa. So
if you are right, you want to check it out,
You want to check out some lines, just come through.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
You know you're in That means you're in Fashion Island,
So go check me out. He's at Fashion Island Sacks,
Fifth Avenue.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I love that. Now, how did you get into doing this?
What is going like? How did this happen?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Well, I'm a kung fu apprentice and I'm studying under
my Seafood and he has a kung fu school and
with that we do the traditional lion dance, like you know,
these are the lion pants actually, and this is the
red top that we wear. And part of the kung
fu is that you do the lions. You know, if
you have ever seen the lions, like, they're like kind

(18:26):
of like a modern poppet puppetry. And the two people
go in there and you you play with the drum
and it's supposed to bring good luck for the Lunam year.
So since I've been studying under my my master, that's
part of the curriculum, you know, apart from the kung fu,
the fight trading. Every loot of the year you kind
of come, you go around and you spread the blessings

(18:46):
to the people, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I love that. It's really cool.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
For those that don't know, I get six to nine,
So that is a big ass lion.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yes, that's probably the biggest line out there.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That is massive. So everyone you can follow him, make
sure you're following I Catcher. I love that. It was
the most unexpected place to find you doing that. I
love that.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, also surprises. I love that.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You know, speaking of training and fighting, do you have
anything on the horizon, do you have another match coming
up soon? He's in the.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
TV show we have coming up?

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Tell mean, uh uh, definitely. Like I'm still fighting a
little bit with the recovery of my knee for my
last fight, So I've had a few offers come up,
but you know, like I got to put my health first,
and I got at a lot of stuff going on
for myself. So I also want to go back in there.
I want to be able to perform at my one
hundred percent and not with half injured me jeopardizing my health.

(19:53):
So at this point, I'm still on the recovery journey.
I've been keeping my fight training up, like I'm still
rest playing, I'm still trying to work on my duty too.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm still you know, keeping my shape top shape, but
I'm still healing.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
I will give it maybe like like like a couple
more months, and as soon as that comes back together,
we're right back in there. And uh, you're gonna we're
gonna go back into that ring.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
You know, how is your knee doing. I know that
was that was not a good injury. That's not a
good place to injure, right, Well.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
It's it's it's good enough for me to do like
weight training and not to it doesn't incapacitate me too
much and like daily my daily routine, but I still
really notice it if I do like any jerking movement,
so for example, like wrestling or somebody snatched my leg
definitely makes it be like in pain.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
You know.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
So even though it's it's good for for normal function,
it's not ready to be on the stress of fight situation.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
You know. But you you're gonna get a lot kick
and it's not ready to take no low kicks yet.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
You know that's fair. You know you just talked about
still performing with your wrestling and your jiu jitsu. I
gotta tell you right now, having met you, I would
fucking hate to grapple with you. That just sounds like
an absolute nightmare. I don't care if it's your day
one or your day ten thousand. Just dealing with someone
who's six foot nine as strong as you are. I
would not want to be in your guard I wouldn't

(21:24):
want to have you in formal. I wouldn't want to
try and stuff on your takedowns, none of it.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
I wouldn't want to.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
And I tell you because you know I've did all
the strength and conditioning from for all these years, and
it doesn't mean much if you don't have no wrestling technique.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
But you know, I've been training.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
With my coach, Kenny Johnson, you know, legend many a
UFC fighters. It's like a head coach over their black house.
I've been wrestling with him for like the last four
or five years, and now that I got the technique,
it's like I have not yet wrestled with a man
with more strength, physical strength that I have. But the's
technically amazing, guys, with wrestling. You know, so wrestling is

(22:06):
you know, strength is one thing, but it's not it's
not the number one criteria.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
It's more fluidity.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know, like good wrestlers they set you up, they're
very fluid, and it's more.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Like a chess game.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
But if you have a lot of strength, you can
you know, cancel a lot of situations that other people
couldn't because you don't have that strength. So I like
to think of the strength as a good joker, you know,
like if somebody like hits in a bad situation and
then you have this uncalled strength, it's surprising.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
You know, people don't expect the person to be that strong.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
But for all the working out, I think there's you know,
the really conditioned body, so I always have that strength.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Really people break out of a bad situation, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, you mentioned fluidity, and I agree with the wrestling
requires a lot of fluid motion. Any kind of martial
arts does. But you started out I think you start
mainly doing the body building was it. Did you ever
find difficulty going from weightlifting, which is very I would
in my brain it's a little bit more strict in
its motions. It's you don't want to be as fluid,
you don't want to be as loose, and then transition

(23:10):
from that into the martial arts world where that's kind
of a requirement.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Right, definitely. So what helped me before that is because.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
I also threw at the functional fitness and gymnastics and
the stuff on the bars. So even though it was
a bodybuilder, was already very functional because I always at
the background of martial arts. But it definitely is different
in that manner. But you have to just kind of
like reprogram your body.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
To more to those snatch movements and.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
More, you know, like like I think the lower of
all the lower back muscles and stuff.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Even though you know, every body building, you.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Don't train those micro muscles that the wrestling really will build.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
So like.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Both of that together is going to really make you
a very strong man if you if you're wrestling and
you're weightlifting, and remind you of a lot of wrestlers
like this part of wrestling are are are conditioning themselves
by weightlifting, you know. So that's why it's such a
such a wrestlers are such tough opponents because it's it's
conditioning you to such a such a strong man and weapon.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
You know, Like you can.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Also see that a lot of good wrestlers can really
neutralize a lot.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Of jiu jitsu guys just because the wrestling is so.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Good, you know, absolutely, there's the reason if I'm rand
when Dan Henderson come up.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and even I mean, look.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Look at John Joe.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
You know John Jones best best fight in the world,
and then his main styles wrestling.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's it's just it's just.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
To dominate a lot in the mixed martial arts world.
That's just such a versatile skill to have and it
translates well into all other aspects for the combat sports. Yeah,
speaking of that.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
That is true, and and I've but I've also watched
like a flying k needed the head can take someone out.
It's just not possible with someone like Ike because they're
not getting the joke.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Really, that's not happening. No one has a seven foot
vertical I think a little bit surprising to me, but
you know what, it's funny. We actually have a couple
ofple commenting that we should spar and I would love
to spar with you. By the way, when your nue
gets back to everything to where we could throw cakes.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
As definitely definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
They just want to watch you beat car. Yeah, it's entertaining,
get ragged a little bit, like.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
We have a good time already, like a brother. So
so it's just gonna be like a friendly brawl, you know. Yeah,
fun though.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I love brawls.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I gotta tell you, guys, if you get a chance,
watch if they stream. The conversations that I can bear
have are absolutely hysterical. I was watching them work out
and just while they're chatting with each other while it's
going on. It is the funniest thing I have heard.
I still think they should get a podcast, like it's

(26:05):
just what they come up with is really funny.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, there's always something to go on in the near
future as Actually, as we diverse a little bit away
from talking about fighting, do you have something in the works.
I do you think like the idea of podcasting. Do
you want to pursue more into the acting realm? What
you're doing multiple things right now, not just for bodybuilding
or competition, but you're also a well rounded person in

(26:28):
acting and performance right.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
While the acting realm has been opening very very much
for me. Also, I have a movie coming out called
Muscle Beach that produced and where I'm the main character.
That's a pretty pretty pretty project, a full feature movie that's.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Going to come out. I think you're going to try
to submit it to.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
Sundance Movie Fastal this year's And yeah, so definitely the
acting is a huge avenue and it's just a show business.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
It's all connected, you know.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Like I like least I think I told you, like
I had a big role in an MMA movie right
before an mm A fight. So it's all kind of
like you know, that one of singularity where you're like, okay,
even though you know fighting is for real and acting
it's like, you know, not for real, trying to make
it real, but it's not real. It's both entertainment, you know,

(27:22):
both of those things is entertainment and show business.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
And I feel like fighting teaches you a lot about
whatever you need.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
To be an action star, right like you know, like
even most of those actors you know talk about Kean A. Reeves,
so whatever we're talking about, they got to take martial
arts classes look good on screen.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
You know. So so one doesn't go with the other.
You know, you have to have a Marshall prowess to
look good on screen in a in a in an
action movie or whatever you do. You know, so it goes.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hand in hand, you know, and you'll want a very
few people that have who actually understand. I think you
and Connor McGregor the only two people that understand that
the sports entertainment is still entertainment.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You're still entertaining people.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
I love.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
That's something you know.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
We're talking with the US Olympic team about and I'm
trying to explain to them, No, you have to entertain people.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
It's not just about being a good fighter.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Right right.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
I got to be right, got to be digestible, not
super technical like the clinical used to be one of
those guys when he was box he would just win, but.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
It would be so boring. Was he just jab jab
jab when there's no.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Sporing fight to watch And it was a good technical
fight to watch.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's really is you have to be entertaining to people.
But I want to talk a little bit about your feature.
Lengthy just told this I know any information about it.
That's amazing. Congratulations the Muscle Beach movie.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
Not really because it's still it's still like in the
in the editing process.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
But you know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
If we're gonna come back on the show next time,
but that be more more crystallized. Also, I gotta I
gotta get ready to know. So I got like five
more minutes.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
If you guys want to, like, you.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Know, get through the questions, we'll rush it. We'll rush
through the five likes to like hot round question. Okay, uh, Well,
one thing that you actually mentioned that I want to talk
about is you're a musician. On top of all this,
what intertument do you play?

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Man Like?

Speaker 6 (29:26):
I've been rapping since like before I came to America.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
You know, I'm Austrian.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
So one of my first songs was coming in the
mid and it's always been one of my passions that
have pursued and I'm still doing it.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
You know.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
So if you want to look up my music, it's
the same as my name. I catch her and the
Biggest Men on the Bars, and it's it's a lot
of it's most of it is hip hop rap, but
it's mostly very positive and it's about working out and
you know, like.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Good topics, good positive music. I have a lot of
Christian music too. I have a lot of Christian music
to Jesus music.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
So it's it's a whole range of spectrum of like
a universe if you want to tune into it.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, that sounds like he's making like really positive
work out.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
You think that is like everything's so perfect.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I love that. I don't think there's a single thing
I doesn't like it isn't positive. Well that's why I have.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Okay, yeah, it's true. That's true.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
If you could be remembered for one thing, because you
are incredibly multi talented. I mean people talk about triple threats.
You are more than that, Like, you are so so
many things. If you have one thing you want to
be remembered for, what is it?

Speaker 6 (30:36):
I think being a kind man, being a good person,
you know, if anything, it's like people remember me, It's
like you know that I was a good man, good heart, helped.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
A lot of people.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
But like, let's say from the physical accomplishment, I would
probably think my physique, my body, you know, like the
high the statue and just.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Being like for all the Sorcet men on the planet,
you know.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, that's him, that's him. Sure, yes, yeah, I got it.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I'm gonna tell you we had we had we had
our production meeting and we were talking about, you know,
we've got him in this TV show upcoming, and we're
also putting him. He's doing a cameo in a show
called Receiver of Many that we're doing for Hbon BBC, and.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
He's playing a Greek god.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
And the women in our production meeting wouldn't put his
photo down, and it actually got to the point I'm like,
yoll are being creepy.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I need you to stop. This is not cool. It's
the physique you have down like that.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
You definitely got that one.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
It's it's funny. It's I look at Bears used to
being kind of you know.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Fighters are usually smaller guys there by you know, five seven,
five eight is about the average for these fighters. So
at sixty one, Bears like the big guy. And then
you get him next to Ike and he's like looking
up like, oh.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Shit, it's not even fucking cause, But is there anything
you'd like to tell the audience before you have to
hop on?

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Just you know, do the good that you can.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
You know, be positive, believe in yourself, work hard on yourself,
don't focus too much on the things that you can influence,
and just focus on the things you can control and
try to be a little bit better every day, because
I think that's what the world needs and self improvement
being a good light and to others is like, you know,
the most beautiful thing you can do, and that's that's

(32:31):
the way of the little blessed Life's that's the main
message that I want to portray with my life and
also extend to others. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I love that everyone. Of course, please remember to follow
I Catcher. I believe I Catcher on all platforms.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Correct, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Make sure you're following him.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And if you are anywhere near Fashion Island, go out
take photos. Send me pictures because I will put them
on social media.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Okay, all right, guys, I gotta get you. We gotta,
we gonna we gotta, you know, bring that good luck in.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Okay, Yes, you have a good time.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
If you guys are out of Fashion Island, go have
a look.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I love that. What's the number he does growing up there?
Six five something for the five oh six for the
show that he's doing, the sax fitth Avenue, Saxophith, that's
what it is. It wasn't six, it was you don't
know what sex. I know what sax Fith is in
my head, like I've heard it over and over again.

(33:35):
But I from there. I took it as a location. Honestly,
I took it as like, oh, this is a place
people can go, Saxford Avenue like like a street.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Why I call it Avenue. Then that's because that's what
originally came from in New York.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Okay, So I gotta tell you guys, if you're going
to follow some one's career, Ike is a person to follow.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
He is going to do well in the entertainment industry.
He's going to do very very well.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh yeah, and if he wasn't already. Here's the part
of success is what you do with what you have.
And then the other part of the thing is what
you already have available to you. And when I mean
that is Ike was already this massive guy. He was
already going to be a huge physically person, huge shit
physical presence. Yes, So he had a choice of I
can do all these different things, but with my stature,

(34:29):
I can do something that's a little bit more in
the entertainment world, and it's inspirational people. And of course
he grew up watching Arnold, so his inspirations like, I
want to be like Arnold Swarzenegger and I got this
big body, I'll start whitelifting. Because he grew up really skinny,
tall but thin, and he had to build himself up.
So he was able to parlay that. That's his use.
What you have available to you to get into entertainment

(34:51):
and start fighting and start doing movies. Obviously in TV shows.
Well that's the thing that Paly get sought after for it.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Oh absolutely, there is a reason when we saw him
we went after him. There is a reason, you know,
we we want him, and there's a reason I want
him in shows. He is a very marketable, very bankable man.
But on top of that, he's a very nice man.
I know your interest is and isn't in him being bankable.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's mine.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, but you and he have very aligned morals and objectives,
so it's very easy for you two to be like, yeah,
let's go have lunch and chat. I have to tell
you I'm going to like secretly record them next time
we have lunch. Bear and Ike literally just sit there
talking about how to help other people and cracking jokes.
It is the sweetest I think you've ever seen. Yeah,

(35:40):
but you're not on camera, like you guys aren't intentionally
being funny. You're just joking at each other.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Because it comes naturally, you know, It's it's it's very
much an easy I think it's going to leave me
for Ike. No, No, I would not leave you, fright.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's because you'd be the woman in the room. But
I do find that people like him make the world better.
And there are people you meet that you can tell
will succeed. Uh, they're they're people with potential. You have
a great deal of potential. Ike has a great deal
of potential. And what matters is Ike is doing something

(36:16):
with that potential potential. And I'm going to tell you
all this potential only matters as far as you can
do something with it. I did a great Ted talk.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Don't look at it. I look terrible in it. You
definitely need to like, get back in and do another time.
I was super pregnant and they need to put you
on the fucking stage during the pandemic. I don't care
what I was doing. They could have put you on
the stage recorded it.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Really glad they didn't. I was super pregnant.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Okays, Hey, I.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Liked my Ted talk.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It was a subject that that was rigged. I'm sorry
it was.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
You did.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You did great. The way they had it set up.
You need to get a redo.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
But I will. My whole Ted talk is called get
off the floor. I love that, And essentially what it
is is you're going to fail. You're going to screw up.
You are going to fail a lot. It's how you
get off the floor and how you function when you
fail that matters, because everyone fails. My uncle is one
of my favorite examples of this. He ran free presses.

(37:16):
He ran business after business after business, and now he
and my aunt run an incredibly successful business. They have
an incredibly successful business. But they worked their butt off
and they failed their way to the top. And that's
how it works.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Bear lost like ninety seven fights before he won one.
It was a lot, but in ninety seven it was
definitely nine ninety seven. But you know, my coach Joe
even talks about, like, let's talk about fighters who have
stage anxiety and poor performances in the octagon. He had
a guy who exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
If you ever rectile dysfunction, it is fixable.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
He had a guy who was like, I don't know
that he was single digit wins and like in double
digit losses more than twenty. Like he put himself through
the ring or time and timing in and Joe got
him to a point where he's able to function and
be successful in the cage. And so it really is
all about getting up off the floor, continuing to push
and try and try again. In mma, that's literal, you

(38:13):
have to literally do that. Yes, you cannot stay on
the floor, they'll eventually kick you out.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
When you look at success, when you look at people
like Ike who put one hundred percent into everything they do,
when you look at people like Beaar who push for
what they want, when you look at people that want
to succeed, that's what matters. Yes, And the reality is
you have to have a goal. Your goal could be money,
it can be fame.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
It can be whatever. But you have to have a goal.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
And if you're not working towards that goal, you're getting
nowhere and you are going to fail one hundred times
before you get to the endpoint. But the difference between
you and somebody that succeeds is the ability to fail.
Failing is a skill that people don't have. Failing with
grace is an even bigger skill that people don't have.
People cannot admit they're wrong and they cannot fail, two things,

(39:00):
two huge red flags and people. So if they have
trouble with those two things, don't deal with you.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Don't sleep with that person. No, don't they if they
can't be wrong, that's the crazy you don't want to
get involved.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
With well, you know what they say, grippy socks.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
No, I don't know what they say when they say grippy.
I'm not I'm not repeating the rest of that. It
rhymes with socks and it.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Girls with grippy socks usually have a grippy.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Why does socks have anything to do.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
With That's what they put on you in a mental hospital,
crazy girls.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
That's funny. I was thinking of yogat socks.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
No, grippy socks, hospital socks, grippy socks, grippy.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh man, that's hilarious. Shout out to my EP, David Lyons.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's where I heard that, because he likes crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
David Lines another good guy. Another motivational story there as well,
for getting up off the floor and continuing to push
do the right. Everyone. Everyone, everyone who's successful, it is
going to has failed. They's that a single person who's
been That's the point.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
You fail consistently. If you look at Elon Musk, if
you look at Jeff Basils, their entire life is a
story of failure.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well, Jeff Bazils is a failed actor.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Elon Musk is failed at a hundred things. The reality is,
it's not about how you succeed.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Six is easy. It's about how you fail.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
And people like I who are thin and go no,
I want to be different and then put one hundred
percent of the work in.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
And one hundred pounds of muscle on.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
They are the people that change the world. They are
the ones that make a difference.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I think people who participate in martial arts, are weightlifting,
who do physical sports are going to be better able
to handle failure than anyone who doesn't, Which is why
I think sports are so important for kids because you
can't win every time. In sports, you will lose at
some point and you'll be forced to deal with that
loss and get better. So if you can get your
kids into some kind of sports now, it is essential.

(41:02):
They need to lose and grow from that loss if
you want them to be successful humans. I'm pooring. If
you see my face, it's okay? Did you welcome to
drink your bad tea? What's his face is right? I'm
now on his face insulted your tea?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yes, what's his face is right? If you don't have
the ability to fail, you're screwed. If you look at
Blake Lively, she is the best example of people that
don't have the ability to fail.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, no kidding her May and Markle, there's quite a
few people who I guess they kind of successed their
way to an extent, but now it's coming out really
poorly on them. They're both married.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Well, the reality, the reality is is Blake Lively was
born into a wealthy family that were already successful in entertainment,
and it's nepotism.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
The live It's not.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yes, her family is successful actors, but I'm going to
say this, if if Kimberly, if my daughter wanted to
be in entertainment, in entertainment, it sucks, But it's the reality.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh nepotism that it's fine.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
But growing up on set you actually learn how to function, right,
So it's not like she's getting in there and knows nothing.
It's she's getting in there with a function with the
job pretty much. But the reality is you can only
buy your way. So far, Hollywood's tried to make a
million people happen. It didn't happen, you know, fetch didn't happen.
Then they've made a million people.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
They didn't want to get famous, by the way, did
he was somebody that Hollywood was not backing. Well, he
just got he got famous despite Hollywood not wanting him.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think as well, a lot of that period people
hated it. I think a lot of people as well.
They maybe maybe that's why they booked him anyways, because
it was against the norm. But I think money and
power really changes your perception of how to be a human.
It really does, because I think good stories. You look
at Connor McGregor, he was always kind of like all

(42:53):
of them. So I'm the top dog, I'm then mo
and dude, I'm the best fighter, and you have to
have that thought. But when all and I hate to say,
I didn't think this was the case for a long time,
but I think when all the money kind of hit
him and all the fame kind of hit him, it
really did bring out his worst qualities as a person.
And I think the same thing like, oh I got
it for you, you can't hear my voice. The well,

(43:16):
when you look people like he did, he he was
probably already that human and then he got famous and
got wealthy, and now he's able to cover it up
and people need him for things. So the way when
you have him.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It's looking for that next tige something you said with
your corner addiction, yes, is you have You're always looking
for that next taboo.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And that's why I try and encourage everyone to stay
away from you never want to get hooked on anything
like that. So you're if you are scrolling only fans consistently,
you're scrolling the huff consistently, you're paying money for that stuff.
It is time for a change because you are altering
your state of mind and it is only going to
progressively get more dramatic what you look for, and that
leads people down horrible paths in life. You know, get therapy.

(43:56):
I'm in therapy for it. It's important that people know
that that's okay to do that, You're able to help you.
I'm in therapy, but it's not, No, it is not.
I'm in therapy because you know, you're too beautiful and
you need to learn how to deal with people who are.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
And always massively parentified. What is it that was massively parentified?
And then my mom ran away from the country with
me and I have a messed up relationship with my
mom and dad.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
But you look, dad, what is it my daddy issues?
Have daddy issues? You look beautiful and read though.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know I'm in therapy because my daddy issues. Have
daddy issues, and your your abandonment issue, and I have.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Issues committing to my commitment issues.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
You know that could work out for you.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I have issues committing to my commitment issues. Well, that
seems to be the way our relationship goes. I don't
you at least once a week.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Oh yeah, it's okay. It's a consistent factor in our life.
But you know what, I stay anyways, I work through it.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I'd like to tell everyone that is not a viable
way to live. If you're telling somebody you are out
of a relationship and they don't go away. Red Flag Great,
where's the red flag guy?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Where's the red flag?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I love my red flag guy. You find him on
TikTok and YouTube. He runs around with the park with
red and green flags. We need the red flag guy. Kimberly,
get the red flag guy on the show.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yes, that'd be a good show. Actually, but you know what,
what about the situation of Blake. We've brought brought up
Blake lives and I'm curious, how's it going with her
in the Valdoni thing.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Baldoni he said val Doonie.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh bow Baldonie. Actually, we are reaching out to Waldoni,
he's a friend.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
We're reaching out to Wayfer Valdonia's company to see if
they want to partner with us on a project because
he's lost a ton of money and frankly, I think
he's an excellent actor and he'd be great the hades
in the show we're doing, okay, but cutting all of
that out, I'm really kind of appalled by how she's
handled this. Blake Lively behind the scenes is a complete asshole.

(45:50):
For those that don't know Taylor that's coming out now, Yeah,
Taylor Swift isn't. So I'm not sure how she acted
with Taylor Swift to get the whole BFF thing. Taylor
Swift is really back and off. So you guys know
this isn't off the record, No, it's an on the record.
Taylor Swift was at the lead of the me too movement,
the legitimate me too movement. She sued a DJ for

(46:13):
assaulting her, and he did, and but she sued him
for one dollarsha who led.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That No, no, no, no, she was different. That was
a doctor Luke thing. I'll get that.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
She came after But so Taylor Swift, not a lot
of people know this, sued this DJ for one dollar.
She won, but she only sued for one dollar because
she wanted him fired. She wanted this recognize she didn't
care about the money and she's in a financial position
she didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Need the money. But he assaulted her.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
So now, Taylor Swift is a sad story anyway, her
she was hardcore, stage managed by her parents, hardcore pushed
by her parents from a very very young age, and
the country music to pop star pipeline is one of
the easier ones to follow. But she was incredibly talented anyway,
she you know, has leaned into kind of the dorky
girl persona a lot like Avril Levigne. She done her

(47:00):
whole thing, but she has worked hard. She's a very
very hard working woman and a very talented woman. So
to have somebody like Blake Lively talk about her like
she's an object, she's one of her dragons, you know,
use her as a threat to somebody that has really
tried to keep a squeaky clean image, that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Wait, that's what she's saying about Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
She went to w so Ryan Reynolds went to wm
ME and basically said, Taylor Swift, Blake Lively and myself
will leave if you don't get rid of Baldoni. Then
Lively went to Baldoni and said, if you don't do
what I want, you know, basically threaten him with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
What is WM.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
William Morris endeavor?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
It's an agency.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Oh they got him dropped from his agent.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Okay, anyway, So the reality is, by the way, if
you need an agent out there, here's the advice I
give everyone. Your agency matters. What matters more is your agent.
You want the smallest agent at the biggest agency, the
guy that just came out of the mail room, because
if he needs you to eat, you will work. If
your guy also has Ryan Reynolds, he's not going to

(48:06):
put the time or effort into you. Absolutely, you're nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
No, they're folks on Ryan Reynolds, not you.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
So but that's essentially what happened to here. Wm E
was focused on Taylor Swift on Ryan Reynolds. Nobody gives
a shit about Blake Lively except for the fact that
she's married.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Too, Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Though she was a famous singer at some point, right
now she wasn't. She was an actress.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Did that was in a show called gossip Girl, and
she the leading gossip girl. Leslie is a lovely woman.
She was horrible to her awful to the leading gossip girl.
She was mean to the other people in gossip Girl.
She constantly made jokes about the leading gossip girl being
born in jail. She was, by the way.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I don't know how she got on with the functioning
in that set. Why didn't they just drop her?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Like she was under contract and she was nobody at
that point. Now she was sexually harassed on set. But
if she wants to save her career, here's what she does.
She turns around because she was sexually harassed and to
get the makeup part off I artisfied she got from
gossip Girl. What she does is she comes out and
this Blake Lively. Here is how you save your cas

(49:12):
So you guys know my specialty. If you get caught
with the hooker, I'm who they called. If you do,
if you do something terrible, I'm who they called to
save your reputation.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I don't do it for you.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I give them the plan. Then your publicist does it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
And here's the trick. Here's the magic trick. If she
wants to save her career from this point on, she
needs to step up, apologize, say that she read it wrong.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
I was completely wrong. I thought he was coming at me.
Looking at this retrospectively, I read it wrong. I was
a child entertainer. I was exposed to things I shouldn't
have been. It's clearly made me hyper sensitive to this.
I want to apologize to Baldoni. I want to apologize
to everyone that got hurt in this. I think is
you know I think I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Is that even possible at this point though, Donna care
to listen to that?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
If she said that and she made it a this
happened because of this traumatic childhood I had in Hollywood,
people would believe it. It's not about forgiving her, It's
about asking for forgiveness. One of the best tickets I
ever saw was a friend of mine, Cindy Hoenig, saved
Hugh Grant's career after he caught caught with Divine Brown.
He was dating Elizabeth Hurley, one of the most beautiful

(50:20):
women in the world, and he got caught with Divine
Brown in the car, and so now he's caught with
this hooker, and so Cindy put him on every channel apologizing.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He will apologize his apology tour, the apology tour, yep.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
And it saved his career. She also saved Pee Wee
Herman and she put him on stage. And you know,
Philip was talking to us about that too, for another
publicist friend of ours who turned around his like say,
put him on stage and went, well, has anyone heard
any good jokes lately after he got caught in an
adult theater. So the reality is, if you own something,
you can fix it. In her case, you need a

(50:58):
good reason to accuse sexual harassment that didn't happen. If
you say I'm sensitive or I'm broken because of my
own history in Hollywood, given the ditties and all of
this stuff that we've seen, and the fact that she
has been embroiled in real sexual harassment before. And that's
what's so sad about this is she was actually sexually
harassed before. It was a whole thing. The guy admitted

(51:21):
to it, but people will look back now and question it, and.

Speaker 7 (51:24):
You know what, that could probably buy her some sympathy.
I think that would work if she apologized to do it. No,
if she apologized. The problem she has is she believes
her career.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
And her reputation and her clout is equal to that
of her husband and her friend Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Because she thinks by aligning married.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
To him, by aligning herself with them. Yes, she's brought
up brand value, but it's been what half a decade
since she's made a movie. The most successful one she
ever made was Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants and shout out.
You know, America Ferrara couldn't get on with her, and
America Ferrara is the easiest person in the world to
deal with. The issue she has is if she doesn't

(52:03):
come forward, take responsibility and apologize, she's not going to
be forgiven. Now you can take the royal stance, which
is never complain, never explain, well, she did it well fail.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, but that's it.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
She needs to shut up and go away and come
back later, or she needs to say it was her fault.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Well, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, please encourage yourself or
your wife to own up to her mistakes.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Noally, don't know, don't be honest, no honest. Use the
worse because they were trying to smuggle the film out
from under this, dude, don't be honest.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh yes, I'm sorry. Liars keep lying, keep lying, lie differently,
lie differently. I look at it this way.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I chried seventeen fifty an hour for this advice. So
this conversation I just gave you is worth almost two grand.
Listen to it on playback and listen to my Ted
talk Blake.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
That'll help you and you guys can always listen some
of these shows on playback, but for now it is time.
So when she's finish drinking her thank you for.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Joining some behind the scenes. I'm your host, Summer Helene.
We're on with my co host, the baddest bear in
the Cage, Bear Fjorda. He really likes that intro. We
will see you guys next week. And if, by the way,
if you are at Fashion Island, go get me a
photo of Ete Catcher.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I want to see this.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I want to see the seven foot toll Lion. This
was behind the scenes. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Good goodnight. This has been behind the scenes with the
Baroness and Bear Fjorda, only on Talk four Media