Renae Plant S03EP04

Join Summer Helene and Bear Fiorda on Behind the Scenes as they chat with Renae Plant, curator of the Princess Diana Museum and author of It’s All About the Hair: My Decade With Princess Diana. Hear her incredible stories and insights into the life and legacy of Princess Diana!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to Behind the Scenes.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
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Speaker 5 (00:39):
Hello, Hello, welcome to Behind the Scenes. I'm well technically
the Baroness of Airshire and Glenn Lyon Bye. But everyone
keeps asking me when I say Airshire if I'm from
Middle Earth. So we need to work on this. It's
a real title and it's not from Lord of the Rings.
I was going for you, the hosts, but I'm mostly

(00:59):
upset everyone thinks I'm from Middle Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's a cool title.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
HOLDO, I know anyway, Airshire is in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Much I could be a baron of somewhere in the
Middle Earth. Why not? I don't know?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
A baron sort of sounds like a villain no offense, Daddy,
but it sounds like a villain in you know, a
Marvel film.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 6 (01:19):
You use that, or you can use as a baron
as like an evil big medievil guy for your D
and D campaigns, for your Warhammer games, for whatever. You
really want to be honest with a lot of them
out there. Don't get mad at me for nerding out.
You started this.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Or you could not insult my title.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
Speaking of people getting on, isn't he considered a nerd
in the nerd culture?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Culture? People now switching sides.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's not really bewitching, which sounds for a while. It's
not really switching sides.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So the story made him for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
When you have as much power as play Lively and
her husband cheated on.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
It, what is it? It's his spiritual name, cheated on
Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Let's rephrase.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
It's when you marry someone who has real power in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's what it is. She didn't have that same and
no slight.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
She's a balist actress, and she's a good actress, but
she's certainly not against Scarlet Johansson or any of these
A listers, and so she takes this job and she pulled.
Now everyone's saying Ryan Reynolds did the same thing to
the director of Deadpool too to get control, which made
it a less good film. That Lively is pooled to
get control of this film. The writer has pulled her

(02:37):
social media offline because she backed Lively and everyone's turned
on her.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Oh well, you know what, here's the thing when you
come out and lie ridiculously and an absorbent amount of
times and then.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
Question it's not true.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
I'd like to mind everyone every time I use that language.
We give money to the Boys and Girls Club of America,
the Humane Society of America, and free Mma.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
We swear because.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Care ock ya stop lying?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
My question, though, is did she lie or did no?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Not that buch and did steps?

Speaker 7 (03:15):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Do you want to sleep on the couch?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Our couches are really comfy?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
That is where this is going.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
So did she lie to Ryan Reynolds or did he
back the bad play? And I think That's what I'm
most curious about. We know she lied, but did she
lie to Taylor Swift and Ryan Reynolds to get them
to comply and say he actually did behave that way
or were they complicit and help in the deception for
the public.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
If I was her spin doctor, I can tell you
the first thing she needs to do here is her
quick save.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
You'll remember this in your own lives. Please take what
I tell you, and if you ever get into a mess,
apply it. Because I am damn near the best in
the world at this The other person better than me
is dead, so.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I'm just saying, well, that would imply.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I know, but I'm trying to pretend I'm humble.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
So essentially, if this happens, the best thing you can
do is take cindyr Ownegg's advice and own it. She's
the one that saved your ground after the Divine Brown instant.
If Blake Lively had turned around and went look, I
clearly misunderstood this. There are a lot of victims. This
is how I felt in the situation. Looking back and
watching this footage, it was.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Not as bad as I thought it was. Clearly I
was going through postpartum.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I you know what's happening with me? Things stereotyping. It
doesn't matter matter.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
She could save her career otherwise, She's the next Amber Heard.
If she continues down this road, she's going the Amber
Heard route.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
You're not going to open. You get to shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
If she had shut the fuck up in the beginning,
as you put it, she would have done well. The
problem was she couldn't handle the public turning on her.
The public turned on her because she took the premiere
and tried to pull us and day it dress up
for the character. But when you're doing a film on
domestic violence that isn't the focus. Then she's trying to
sell her beady booze and her hair products off of
this film, which both tanked because of her behavior. She

(05:09):
wasn't taking the domestic violence seriously. Then all of the
mean girl things she was doing started to come out.
The problem is instead of stepping back and taking the licks,
she tried to put it on Baldoni. That's when the
public turned on her. If she'd just taken the licks,
people would have moved on. It was like when Barbara
Streyson's house was accidentally shown in a three D view,

(05:29):
so she sued, then everyone realized it was Barbara Streison's house.
Sometimes the best thing you can.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Do is be quiet. Yeah, I want to speculate.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Okay, Okay, I want to get to our guests.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, I was going to be very fast, very fast.
You're cut tho.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Ryan and Taylor probably knew just enough about the situation
to back blake.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
But unless there's some weird thing going on with them. Again,
don't want to yuck.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Anyone's young, but I'm just going to say that unless
some form of sex, unless Ryan's cool with her kind
of playing around with other dudes on him, I don't
believe she would have outright told him, Hey, I invited
him to my trailer to stare at my tits and
now I'm going to claim he was harassing.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, the problem behavior was pretty so it was suspects.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
I should tell you if if I was talking to
a dude and I please remember I started off as
a Victoria's Secret model. I was in front of the
camera until I figured out I'm an asshole and I
don't like people.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You don't like attention from the audience, just that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I do not have the ability to pretend to like people.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's a very Australian trade and I don't. So I
didn't do well Australian.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It's the good people to have around very.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Direct but except Canem's more. But essentially.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
It would you be comfortable with me speaking and interacting
with a man outside of character the way she was?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
No? Why?

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Because I, for one, your job is trying to cheat
on me at that point you try to sleep with
that guy.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I don't like that. Uh So again, let's right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Unless season to the who knows it could be a
Will Smith thing.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
God not more of them. I wouldn't surprise sith. I
like Ryan Reynolds, but wouldn't surprise me. That's what Will Smith.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
If you need a girl, alexis my private secretary. She's
a dominatrix. She likes to wear the penis and the
relationship she do really well for you, and you wouldn't
have to put up with Jada anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
She would not stand for your Jada thing that you
don't have to drop her.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
But I'm just saying she's the right kind of chick
for you if you want.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
A way out.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
But you know, speaking of the right women for the situation,
I like to welcome to the show our guest, Renee Plant,
the curator the Princess Diana Museum and owns her own
foundation related to the dominant princess.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
As well have been completely the opposite.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
We have the wrong, the worst possible segue we could
give you, and I apologize.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
We don't have good I don't even try to have
good segues anymore. Here I am, well, welcome.

Speaker 7 (08:03):
To you guys. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Thank you for coming on. How are you feeling today? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:09):
Awesome. I'm just so happy to be here and share
like my you know, my passion for Princess Diana and
you know all the wonderful things that I've been working on.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, why can you tell us a little bit about
that as well as the audience. Who you are?

Speaker 7 (08:19):
Well, I'm, yeah, the curator of a Princess Diana museum
that I created over about ten years ago. Now, I
kind of started with one dress that I purchased as
an investment piece, and I was one of those collectors
that are like, you know, this will go up in
value over time because Diana was such an iconic figure.
I actually got to meet her when I was a child,

(08:41):
I believe it or not, not once, but twice growing
up in Australia. It was just such a magical day.
I'll take you back to there so you can kind
of understand how it all evolved because it's starting off
with the museum. It's like, where'd that come from? Yeah,
So I was twelve years old and I grew up
in your Monday, a little tiny town up on the
Sunshine Coast in Australia where you're from Summer and I
got taken on a field trip which was to go

(09:03):
out and meet royalty and all us kids got taken out.
It was nineteen eighty three in April, and I was
so excited because I'd watched the wedding and I watched
her get married and the fairy Tale, and I was like,
I was so excited just to go and meet my princess.
And there was a little dirt path and it was
at the Ginger Factory. It was where they go to.
They showed Charles and Diana how to make ginger that day,
which was kind of exciting in a little farm. And

(09:26):
you know, when Charles was on the other side, everyone
used to go, oh, Charles is on my side, and
they always wanted to have Diana on the side. And
I had a tiny little pocket camera that I'd got
from Santa that Christmas, and I was lucky enough to be.
They stood right in front of me and I was
taking photos of them, and they went inside to look
how the ginger was made. And then I snuck off
from my school. I was in trouble, lots of trouble,

(09:48):
very very bad girl I was. And I went around
the side and I started taking photos of her feet
and whatnot. And but she came out after lunch and
I was on the side of Diana and she just stopped.
There was all the photographers, you know, so I was
the tiny girl next to all these photographers, and she
just stopped right in front of me, looked at me,
shook my hand, and I was speechless, obviously for the

(10:09):
first time she's touching me. I'm like, oh my god,
there she is. I couldn't speak. I was like, so
she ends up. She had this liability right then and
there to make you feel like you were connected to her.
There was just this essence about her, and I felt
it at such a young age that she just didn't
shake your hand and move on. She actually took the
time to really look at you and like it was

(10:30):
just I felt like I'd known her forever. It was
the most I'll never forget it as long as I live,
and with that I didn't speak. So I followed them
the under the pathway and now I'm walking behind Charles
and Diana, the lady in waiting, and all the security guards,
and that a friend of mine yells out, Renee, she's
dropped something in the dirt, and I bend down. I
pick up this tiny little clay platypus that someone had

(10:50):
given her, and I'm like, oh my gosh. And and
now they're about to get into a Rolls Royce to
go off to the big Pineapple, you know, that summer
in Nambo. And so I ran over to a policeman
and I said, Lady Dianah dropped this. And I'm thinking
he's going to let me jump in the car and
you know, run back and give it to them, give
it to them. And he closed my hand and he
said she must have dropped it to give it to you.

(11:12):
And I went, oh, now I'm in trouble. Go back
to roll Call. I didn't give it shit. Can I
swear on this? You have to pay.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I need a charity every time.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
And being an Aussie, you know it's an age, yes, ma'am.
And you know I didn't care. I had this tiny
little precious you know, platypus that she'd given to me,
and I've just held it so close to my heart
and that's why I've called it the Princess and the
Platypus Foundation thirty five years later.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, that is Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I have to tell you, guys, I didn't hear that
story before we got on the show. I really wanted
to bear stopped it, but I really wanted to hear that.
And that is the sweetest I mean, that's the sweetest thing.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
And child, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Yeah, and as a frea, as a child, you know,
everyone for me anyway, they grew up in Australia. We
were part of the Commonwealth, you know, we were you know,
a big part of the royal family. Yeah. And you know,
to actually meet her, you know, for in person, you know,
not once but twice. You know, it's just such a
privilege like that.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
That is very I mean, don't get me wrong. We
went to the viewings when the family come out, We
do all of that. But obviously, you know, even my
family is titled and you don't get to do that,
so are you. And I'm telling everyone this in the audience,
even holding titles.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
That doesn't get you up to the front of the
queue there now for you to meet her twice.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, it was absurd, and I know to anyone listening
that they're not going to understand how absurd that really is.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
It really is. Yeah, the second time was arasier. The
second time was harder because I was eighteen years old.
It was nineteen eighty eight, and I mean living in
Sydney at this point, and it wasn't cool to like
Lady Die. It was Michael Jackson, Madonna, you know, Princess
on the Walls. It was nineteen eighty eight, the high hair.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
It was a hot, hot day in Sydney. It was
like one hundred and ten degrees wearing a boob tube
and white shorts. And we're going to Bondo Beach on
the bus, get off at St Andrew's Cathedral and there's
all these people here and I'm like, what's going on
and they're like, oh, well, Lady Dying, Prince Charles are inside,
you know, Saint Andrew's having mass. And I'm like, oh,
all right, We're not going to Bondo Beach right now, gohol,

(13:23):
I stay in a mask, going to mass in a
mass tube.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Is it is a tube, a little tube top.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
Yeah, And I'm staying. I had to go across the
street and get a milk crate and people probably don't
even know what that is. Back in the day, the
milk used to come in a glass bottle and it
used to come in a box. And so I tipped
that upside down. I stood on it because I'm late.
Now I didn't plan this trip, and I'm standing over
the crowd, and now I'm screaming. I wasn't shy it
on Lady Die, Lady Die, and she's on my side.

(13:54):
She wasn't on your side. You were that word in trouble.
And so she's on my side and I'm screaming, and
I said, I had a girlfriend with me. I said,
take a photo of me shaking Lady Dye's hand. So
she's taking photos, but I got the I got the
film back. I'm cut off. All my arms are in it.
I'm shaking her hand, but I'm not even in the photos.
But again, she I've got it here. Actually it's kind
of cool.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I'd love to see that.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
This is one where she's actually there's my arm. Can
you see that? I love that and shaking my hand
right there. I have the other one too, if you
want to see it. It's the one where he is
sorry about this. I've just got to pull it off
my wall.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, no, I'm thrilled to be seeing it.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Sorry. And then this is the one.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
How can I get it in the tilt down?

Speaker 7 (14:38):
So we get the line?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
There we go.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yes, So there's Diana Charles and there's me in the
background there lovely, that's right where she drops the platypus
in the dirt. She's carrying all the flowers.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
There's the hands floor. Yeah, I'm like, I love.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
That moments that I found after doing research. But I
was on the news that night because James Whicheka was
you know, he was the Royal photographer correspondent at the time,
and he was on the news this is how Australian
women come out to meet royalty and he was a
pole because here I am in this boob choo. Yeah,
I didn't care.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's a moment, but it's the moment you're like, you
know what, Yeah, we love our monarchy. I didn't know
they were there, and if you'd have known, you know,
you wouldn't be going out on a tub top and
was hell not going to miss it.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Because you're absolutely not.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
So they were my two chat in two moments. And
obviously you can see how excited I get when I
talk about it. I feel like it was this just yesterday.
So yeah, and that's kind of how it all came about.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
What's so cool is more than just getting the meters. Well,
you became a part of their history. So now when
they look back, they look at these photos and they
review what she did throughout her life. You are part
of two for different distinct parts of her life.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You are now a part of yes.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah. And actually I didn't really realize that those photos
existed until I started working on the museum, and so
I found that through the archival history of pulling all
the photos and doing all the work that I'd done
for the museum. So I didn't even know those photos
existed until then. So it was kind of really cool
to find them, actually.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Exactly wonderful.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, why did you start a museum? And you know, we
kind of briefly touched on that before getting into the
background story.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Yeah, it's a great question. I didn't plan on it.
It was actually an organic experience. Like I mentioned, my
husband and I had saved up some money and we
were about to go and invest in a restaurant, you know,
and be one of those small fraction partners of something
that you're never going to own anything of and go
and eat pizza for the rest of your life to
make the money back. And a best friend of mine,
who sadly passed away this last week and he was

(16:40):
my best friend, Kevin, said, Renee Latey, thank you, Kevin.
He said, Renee, you know Julian's auction have an auction
going on with Dinah's dresses, and him and I had
gone to the Christie's auction in New York and saw
all of those dresses when we lived in New York,
and we couldn't afford them back then, and I was
a bartender and we'd saved up some money, and so
instead of actually going to look, my husband and I

(17:02):
agree we should try to purchase one. And so he
didn't know that at the time, and so here I
am with the paddle going up. I was nervous as anything,
and we ended up winning the Carol and Charles dress
and it was as a burgundy coat and she's carrying
Prince William on her hip and They had other Christie's
dresses that day, but this dress particularly was the first
dress was supposed to be the cheapest, but it actually

(17:23):
went for the most. I was gravitated towards it because
she's carrying the future King of England on her hip
and King of Australia, King of Australia, you know, and
he was a baby. And I call it the Obi
wan Kenobi coat. Don't tell anyone you're just because it's
a great It's a burgundy coat. It looks like it
could be in Star Wars. It's a wool coat. You know,
it's not that sexy. But she's carrying what is like

(17:45):
the most iconic picture I think. And all those other
Christie's dresses that were sold, they weren't with any of
her children in it. All those dresses were never she
was never photographed with her boys, and so I've always
gravitated to things that have her boys with them, and
you know, things around motherhood.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's also her past and our future, because that's that's
a link between with that coat.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
You're talking about a link between the past and the future.
It was her moment in time while holding the future King.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I knew it, and that dress again went for the most.
Someone was trying to outbid me and I said no, no, no,
you're not gonna This was a maxed out, you know,
savings at that point. And lesson six months later because
this dress went for so much money, of Asachi dress
came up and if you recall, it's the one where
she was on the cover of Papa's Bizarre in ninety seven.
They honored once she died and it's really needed beautiful

(18:39):
dreath and.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
That was the pale are about the pale blue.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Pale and she's sitting she's got a hairslick back.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
One of my favorite look let me see one of
my favorite looks from Versaci and one of my favorite
looks on her underrated.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Everyone loves that white pearl dress. That Elvis.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, this blue dress. If you guys look, Crawford wore
it on. She know too much about fashion, wore it
and Diana wore it better. Diana wore it better. It's incredible.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
This is it here? You can kind of see it
in there.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yep, absolutely absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, you look at the picture
of Princess Diana.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
And that's the Karen and Charles that you have.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's the reference by the way for that code one.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
He's a Star Wars, big Star Wars fans.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
I so that's Diana Worri. That's the dress.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yep, that's the I love that. Do not sell that
to Kim Kardasi and she will wear.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
So I was very blessed. I got that dress the
second dress I got, And so basically with those two
iconic pieces, what do you do with it? Because I
didn't want them to sit in cupboards? That that Vasati
dress had been in a cupboard for twenty years, and
one of the lady who owned it had had it
for twenty years and she saw how much this Caroll
and Child's dress went for and then said, hey, let's

(19:57):
sell it. We thankfully acquired it and we actually up
with Kensington Palace for it, I found out later, but
we loaned it to Kensington Palace later. They took it
for about two years on loan and we it's actually
was the feature address of one of the exhibits that
they did honoring Diana. So we've got a great relationship
with all the other institutions that you know, we loan
things all the time. But that's how it actually started,

(20:18):
and so I thought, well, hang on, you just can't
have these pieces sit around and not do anything to
honor her life and legacy. And my husband and I
had met doing three D virtual reality shows back at
like nineteen ninety seven when the blue screen first came out.
We were like, I was the girl that had get
up and go hi, guys, we're going into and they'd
walk me into rooms that didn't exist. They'd spin me

(20:39):
around and I'd walk, we're going in here. It was
like I had to teach people about blue screen back
in the day. That shows you my.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Ag that's really good looking at you keep talking about
these years and I'm like, no.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
That good anything you've talked about any at all time.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
I just you.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
I want to know who did the work to go
to them.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Really, that's how it started. We basically I photographed every
piece you see in the museum is real. I've acquired
them over a period of time, and I photographed them
in three D. So I take a shot from up
here in a shot directly on with a photographer that
I work with. I shipped them back to Australia, honoring
Australia again. I work with a company called Aurelia Ortelia. Sorry,

(21:23):
that's my cleaner that they're very close Ortelia, And yeah,
they mapped them for me and then I put them
back into the gallery and I've curated it for over
ten years now. We won a Webby Award honore for
technical achievement back in twenty twenty when we first came out,
which was a huge honor. Yeah, but inside the museum

(21:43):
you can actually talk to people, text people, video chat
in real time as you go around these galleries, So
it was kind of ahead of its time back in
twenty twenty when we first came out with it. Yeah,
And it's got her life and legacy from the childhood
baby clothes. She donated shoes to this woman in Knightsbridge,
and she's just like the whole thing is just incredible,
Like a gondfriend.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
You beat Meta to doing what Meta was trying to
do with the metaverse.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, it sounds like you get it better you.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Yeah, I'm really proud of it. It's actually and I've
done interviews with people that know her because I really
wanted that personal connection. So I've interviewed over fifty people
that work with Diana or New Diana so that when
you actually look at a piece that's on display, you'll
hear it from the chef, or you'll hear it from
Richard Dalton, her hairdresser, for example. They go into detail.
And so I really wanted to preserve the history because

(22:33):
once you lose these people and they're all getting old
now they're all in their seventies, eighties, we've lost a
lot of them already, you're going to lose that piece
of history. And so I found it really really important
to you preserve that aspect of that. I work with
Elizabeth Emmanuel. We've recreated gowns that have been gone forever.
It's incredible. Jaquesazeguri, you know, you name it. I've interviewed them.

(22:56):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
You know this, as you're talking, what I keep going
back to as a thought process, that this is what
it's like when someone really gives a shit about what
they're doing. You know it's true because you're talking about
all this effort in time and putting, pulling all the
strings to make this happen, pouring your savings into preserving
these pieces, and it just really comes across how much

(23:19):
you care and not just care for the sake of oh,
I have these clothing to show it off. It's it's
not about you and considering what you how much you're
doing for U, the organization, the organization Jesus Christ can't
talk today.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I think that's really amazing.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Well, I think as well, by preserving the legacy of
somebody like Lady Diana, Princess Diana, you are preserving her goodness.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
What she did.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
You're talking about somebody who reached out when AIDS whenever
I was terified of AIDS, somebody who walked across a minefield.
And everyone has mimicked her since, but nobody.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
To try.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Think anyone could actually elevate them. I think people have
tried some of it. I actually have never and she's
been gone for almost thirty years now, twenty seven now.
No one in this since I've been alive, has ever ever,
ever stepped up to that level of a platform around
the world that affected so many people at one time,
no matter what. And I still haven't seen it. They've

(24:20):
tried to emanate it, but they just they can't. They
do it for us.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I think they do it for attention. So she united
the world in hating her. That's very different.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
This is a charity too, So Bear, I do do
this for it. You know, once we start going out
on the right, I want to take it on a
global tour. That's my next goal is to raise money
to give back to children's charities that Diana wants. You know,
she loved children. I own a preschool here in Los Angeles,
so I want to keep connecting it back to the
children and giving back in.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
That runs a children's charity as well.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Do you which one is.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's called pre Mma.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
I teach, and I teach and run a school that
rux youth, adult and seniors mixed martial arts martial arts.
Oh wowal yeah, So I started back in twenty eighteen
just for a malotany reasons, but really because it could
be very expensive and it's very beneficial. So I don't
want people who couldn't afford it otherwise have to skip
out on it.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
And all of his friends when he was a kid
that dropped out gains drugs or dead.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
Right to give them a mission and give them a
passion and give them something to live for, that's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Really, So why I love what you're doing is that
what you're raising funds for will go to do that
exact thing for these kids.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Yes, yeah, and it's a service, you know, it's giving
back and expecting nothing in return. I've always lived by that.
I feel like that's just in my heart, like I'm
here to serve and expect nothing in return. I just
want to leave a legacy. And I feel like, going
back to what Summer said is like when Diana died,
I feel like she was being whitewashed from history really quickly,
on purpose, intentionally, and I feel like all of her

(25:53):
items got scattered all around the world aimlessly to the
highest bidder. And I just had this calling. I'm like,
this can't happen to be preserved in one spot in
the Princess Dine Museum. And so I've just made it
my mission, one by one, year by year, day by day,
all my savings, and I've just, you know, you know,
done it just for that reason, just so that after
I'm gone, that the younger generation can literally understand just

(26:15):
how incredible she was as a human being.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
And what she did. I think that makes a difference.
It's interesting since the new Prince of Wales, William became
an adult, he started trying to reacquire a lot of
what had disappeared, and so much of it had become
so far flung that it was almost impossible, right. Yeah,
it's wonderful to see, and I find it so interesting.
I'm not surprised you're drawn to her because you and

(26:40):
she have very similar values, and I think it's wonderful
that your legacy is tied to hers, and both of
you are and in her case were and in your
case are looking to benefit the future and looking.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
To go forward. There are very few people, you know.
I look at you, I look at Beer, I look
at people and look at.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Princess Diana, people that want to make that world better
and make it better for the children. Yeah, and nine
of the time it's lip service. Yeah, it's not people
like you that put your own money into it, or
him that puts this fight person into it. Yeah, very
few people do that. So I do want to say
thank you.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Thank you, Adam.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
That means that means the world. It is a labor
of love. And obviously I work on the weekends doing
it's all in my spare time, and you know, I'm
really looking forward and I can feel it happening right now.
I was telling you guys before you went on there's
some interest now to get this out because I don't
want to keep it in storage. You know, we're at
the point now we've got a beautiful collection and I
really want it to go around the world and show

(27:39):
people in person, just because all the pieces I've acquired
haven't been seen in public before. We've acquired the black
sheep sweater.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Oh you haven't. That's wonderful. That is wonderful.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yes, it's a white sweater with sheep, one little black sheep.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's one of the most here. It is just recreated repeatedly.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, I know we're talking about now.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, iconic symbol of Diana. This was in nineteen eighty three.
I'm picking out from Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
I know, when I think of Diana, I think of that,
or I think of like the blue dress she wore
she was in interviewers, I'm walking out of the castle
or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
There's two things that pop into my head.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I love that's what. I love that you got that.
That is incredible.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
So there's two. I don't know if you know the
story about it, but there's actually two. So I, you know,
doing my research with all these pieces, I actually want.
I interviewed the creators of the Black Sheeps with Sally
and Joanna, and I said, why is there a sheep
facing the direction that way and the other one's facing
that way? Because I noticed that the sheep and I'm like, oh,
could be the photos in verse? You know how that happens.

(28:49):
And they said, oh, no, Rene, there's two sweaters. And
I said, what, there's two sweaters? She said yeah, we
don't know how she got the first one, but it
got returned with a letter from Buckingham Palace saying could
you please fix a hole in the and they were
like okay, but they didn't fix it. They sent her
a second sweater, and so that's the sweater that we've acquired.
The nineteen eighty three one. Oh, it came from a

(29:09):
best friend and so they found the original that got
sold at Sothoby's and we were the underbidder on that one.
I didn't win. I was very devastated. My husband was like,
don't worry Rene, the second sweater or come out. I said,
that is impossible. There's no way, and he was right,
and he was right. They contacted me later and we
actually acquired that through sothab So I'm super excited about that.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, that is incredible. That is absolutely incredible. Yeah, I
love that you're doing that. Now you have a book, Yes,
I do.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
It's called It's All about the Hair My Decade with
Diana HRH, Princess of Wales, and it's a memoir with
Richard Dalton, who was actually Princess Diana's hairdresser for over
a decade. Yes, him and I met at the Queen Mary.
I've got twenty fourteen, so we've been friends for a
decade as well. And we I would record, you know,

(29:57):
as part of the museum. I would record his stories
to presume of them. He's got all these letters that
Dinah would say, come and cut my hair cut. Will
he cut William and Harry's first haircuts, And so we
collaborated together and I just recorded all of his stories,
just straight from his mouth. And he was very private.
He never shared because when you work with the royal family,
you never didn't tell, especially when you're a hairdresser, you

(30:18):
don't share those secrets. So it's a very it's not
it's not a tabloidy book. It's actually more respectful and
very He honored her till she you know till till
she passed. And so actually in the book there's like
little QR codes everywhere, So you'll see QR codes throughout
the book, and when you click on those QR codes,

(30:38):
they actually link out to the something that's in the museum.
So for example, in here, she's we own the earrings
that she's wearing. So every and there's lots of lots
of different photos. So we have the scarf that she's
wearing in this photo, and so you'll click on the
QR code there and you'll be able to find more
information about how that scarf came about.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know, as this comes out more and more, you're
going to be hunted by Kim Kardassian and the Duchess
of Sussex. Those two are after no, No, they do.
The Kim Kardassian keeps wearing dan and stuff and Marilyn
Monroe's and.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
Marilyn Munroe, Oh, that four million dollar dress that was
just so sad. I couldn't stand. You don't touch anything historical,
you just never try it on, You should never do
anything with it. You should be wearing gloves.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
No, The Duchess of Sussex and Kim Karassian both keep
trying to acquire and wear her clothes.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
And duchess this case, it's weird, that's incredible. So you
can click on that and it takes you through the museum.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
So yeah, So for example, if there's a piece that
she's wearing, so this is her in Australia, this is
when she's in Australia. There's a little q R and
you'll go straight to these ear rings which are perjuring
pearl and diamond earrings that were a gift from the Queen.
So I have a letter that's got fourteen items on them.
These were one of the items and it was a
gift from the queen. Business at the extent of the

(32:01):
the beautiful jewels that we have now.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
That surprises me because I think in her will they
said the jewelry was supposed to go to the boys
except for what had to be returned to the Queen.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
Yeah, Diana. But it was really strange because right before
she died, you know, right after the Christie's auction, I
feel like she realized the power of her worth and
what she raised with that AIDS. She raised almostien dollars
for AIDS and she donated, she donated. I've got two letters,
three letters, and she did them within a month of

(32:30):
her dying, So in July and August, she's got lists.
She gave away a lot of jewelry before.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
That's it's a really it sounds terrible to say, I'm
so glad she did. Yeah, otherwise it never would have
been there because it all had to be returned to
the palace and the children. Yeah, her doing that, you
were able to acquire these earrings because yeah, she was
so selfless she gave.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Yeah, it was incredible to find pieces like that, and
we've preserved. When I see a list like that, you'll
get one piece and that all the rest gets scattered.
I've actually got a letter fifteen pieces on it, and
I've acquired fourteen of them. So this is the most
incredible collection. And she donated it to a charity in
India a month before she died, so it would have

(33:17):
been tacky back then to actually go and sell the pieces.
So these people have kept it and held on to
them for all this time until it was the right time.
So that's why I feel so blessed to be able
to preserve them. I want to show you the jewels.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Now, obsessively. I want to find that fifteenth.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Piece, you'll make this piece. This was the pace she
wore in Canada that was actually given and Prince Charles
that's a Butler Wilson brooch.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, and we.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Have that one. And then this goes into like you know,
Richard doing a hair and putting all the headbands in
her hair and all the fashion pieces that he did.
But it's absolutely like I call it a historical repository
of her life because it interacts with all the pieces
that she's wearing. So there's that.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's about the Wilson necklace from Prince Charles. Yeah, where
can people buy your book? I want people to buy this,
So we.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Self published, so I don't have a distributor right now,
so this book isn't even on bookshelves, which is what
I'm actually trying to really get the word out because
it is such an incredible book. It's four hundred and
forty four pages, it's thick coffee table book, it's gorgeous,
it's got lots of colors as you can see. And
you can buy it directly from our website at the Princess,
Princess dynam Museum dot org or the Princess and the

(34:34):
Patapus Foundation dot org without the foundation, and you can
buy it on Amazon, but obviously, you know, we prefer
if you guys work directly. But yeah, you can get
it on.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Amazone a link to her, go to her, yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, go to guide directly to us. And yeah,
it's beautiful book.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
That would be first of all, it looks in incredibly
well though I haven't seen a book ever, so that's
really thank you for that.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
It was like, let's how can we make this fresh
for the young kids that are all into technology and
phones and stuff. And yeah, it kind of again, I
think she's channeling me all the time of like trying
to preserve our legacy.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
It's really interactive. It's very very clever. Yeah, thank you,
it's very very clever.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
I was thinking about this earlier and it's a bit
of a divergent from what we're currently discussing.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But with all the pieces you required, had it ever
thought about me been.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
A fear that what if the the Oral family comes
down and say, hey, we love what you've done, we
would like to collect some of these pieces back and
put them up in our own stuff.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
I feel like at the end of this is my
goal is to have it all go back and go
back to England where it deserves to be. I would
love to find a permanent installation for it. I'm hoping
that I don't want to die with this stuff. This
is not my stuff to keep. It's basically for the
world to, you know, to really I know that if
I didn't do this, no one else would have. But

(35:55):
it's not my goal to end up with all this
stuff when I pass. So it's basically I want to
find a foundation or something that we can, you know,
have it, but be a permanent installation somewhere in London
or something like that, somewhere where she's really going to
be honored.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Well, it's the I'm sitting here like I'm going through
my mind. I'm like, well, you can talk to Lady
Colin Campbell. I know she's I'm like, I'm in my
brain now going through who am I related to, who
do I know and who would back this?

Speaker 7 (36:28):
But at this point, I know when Prince William becomes
King William, he is going to become the King's mother.
She's going to become the King's yes, and that is no,
it's going to be going mother.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yes, that's going to be a very different.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
Father is when things will will really become Diana esque again.
Because I'm still then, I don't think it's their priority.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Kindly, I don't think it's. Actually I'm actually very against them.
This is going to sound O slimming down the monarchy.
I think that that is very, very problematic. I know
that's what the current king wants to do, and I'm
a monochas well.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Back his move.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I'd like to see the Prince of Wales expand it
when he becomes king, give out more titles.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Go back to doing that.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Because the more skin that people have, especially in the Commonwealth,
in the game, in Australia, in Africa and in these
different places, the more adults stay with the Commonwealth. I
think the way to protect the Commonwealth is to expand
on it, not shrink.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
You look at how Charles got sick and then Kate
got sick and what would happen, you know, like it
would be really slim. So you do have to have
that back up in order for it. It's been around for
so long that you really don't want to lose that,
you know, as an institution and what it stands for,
and you do need more people. I agree.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I know it was they actually didn't. They wanted William.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Originally they hoped he'd marry the Swedish youngest, the redhead Madeline,
and instead, you know, he went for Catherine. And the
Queen was like, we made this mistake before.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
We're not doing this.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
If you want to let him have we're not doing
this again. We did with Margaret.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
We we've done, We've done everyone let him have her exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It could be way or don't die on this hill.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
It was very It was very very interesting. I think,
I know there are a lot of people that you know,
have been very well she's saying, you know, they should
have let Charles have Camilla when he wanted her.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
All of that. That's fine.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
I don't particularly care where people land on the relationship.
But I do believe Princess Diana changed history and humanity
in a way that most people can't. And I love
that you see that and you see her value because
what's happened over time is people talk about her like
she's a saintan and not a person. So they missed

(38:46):
the message because it becomes this too big, overarching thing.
And when you have people like Kim Kardassian wearing the
Amethyst Cross or the Duchess of Sussex trying to mirror
every photo she's ever done.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
It gets weird, it gets really weird, like the Elizabeth
Arden cream on the penis thing. Not sure about that.
There are just some weird moments.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
And so this is now kind of covering this legacy
because you're hearing about Kim Karassi and you're hearing about
Prince Harry's penis. You're hearing about all of this. That's
that you want think of his mum, like, please stop
talking about your mother's lips for you to I made
the mistake of listening to the audio books so as well, Yeah,

(39:31):
I made a mistake. I still regret it. But you're
bringing the humanity in who she was back without all
these overarching people, and I think that is really important
because that's how you get the message of you know,
she walks through the minefield, she held the hands of
people with HV, she helped the hands of people with
leprosy that were dying, and so she was a different

(39:54):
She was a risk taker to bring light and it's
being drown out by people trying to get a piece
of that celebrity.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
Yeah, and she you know, just even with a photo
when she'd touched people with the back of her hand.
It's just a gesture. Even that had such an impact
when you look at a photo like that. It was
just and it was it wasn't it wasn't made up.
Like I got a collection from a little girl called
Kara and her mother was homeless in Knightsbridge back in
nineteen eighty one, writ in eighty eighty one, right when

(40:23):
she was marrying Prince Charles, and she met this homeless
mom that was pregnant on the streets in Knightsbridge, and
she actually said, how can I help you? And she
actually ended up donating a lot of her clothes, her
baby clothes, her baby shoes, toys, books, and Diana used
to write Diana in everything because all the siblings would
fight over who had what, and so Diana was very
profound in writing her name on everything. And so this

(40:46):
collection is just so incredible because it shows you she
was doing that kind of generosity stuff back before she
was even on that platform. And so I feel like
in her nature and remind me to tell you this
the eeriest thing that I have in the collection, but
not now, with the end, we will do it. God
Elton John.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
I think I think she and Marilyn Monroe had one
thing in common. They were never loved by partners, so
they gave everything of themselves to the public. Marilyn once said,
you know, I never belonged to anyone, so now I
belonged to everyone. And I think Diana was very much
the same way. She didn't have you know, I know
now everyone talks about a relationship with her stepmother. She

(41:26):
did not have a great relationship with the step She
was the youngest of the sisters, very very ignored, and
then she went into this marriage where they just needed
him to get married.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
He was thirty, she was thirteen.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Times it was like marriage.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
It was oh, very very much because they needed bloodline
and a virgin, so it really was very.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It was it was horrific.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
Or she wanted to pray love. She just wanted love,
and she never got it. She never you know, and
I've spoken to Richard in depth about that. She never
wanted to get a divorce. She wanted to stay married
to Prince Charles. She loved the institution. She loved her
very much. A market, she loved it. She never disrespected
them as much as the media would always say, oh,
she's done this and she's going off about that. She

(42:09):
respected that monarchy more than anything, and she she knew
she was there to have raised these two boys in
such a way that represented that. And I know for
a fact that if she was still alive today, those
two boys would still be talking. There would be no
riff in that family.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
She also wouldn't have let Megan markele in. You could
have seen that.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I'm sorry and for that again for those that I
know she has a lot of fans in America, but yeah, no, ma'am.
Anyone that pulls at the monarchy like that.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Nah.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
I found it really just just disrespectful. Honestly. I found
it just so that I found it like, you know,
you're getting walked down the aisle by Prince Charles. You've
been accepted into this family. No one gets to do that,
and you know what you're getting into when you're at
that level, like acting like you didn't know where Buckingham
Palace was, but there's a photo where you're standing out
in front of the fountain. It was like, none of

(42:58):
it makes sense to me, And I was just like,
hang on, I've been bucking in power, you know, you know,
everyone knows where Buckingham Pallace is. It's like big Ben,
you know.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
And she turned around.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
She's trying to play like the innocent, you know, she
was trying to play Diana, the innocent young girl coming in.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I'm like, you're forty.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Yeah. But Diana never played the victim. She never vulnerable.
Diana was vulnerable about what she was explained. I think
that's what really set her apart. She opened up. She yeah,
there was no playactic having an eating disorder. She talked
about how she threw herself to She was the first
one in the royal family literally open up and be vulnerable.
And that's how we connected with her from as a

(43:34):
public standpoint, we could all relate to her at some point,
even though she was a princess, even though she was
up here, she was like us. That that to me
was the biggest skip that she gave gave us, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
I think I think people don't realize how isolated a
lot of them are. And I don't think they realized
how naive Harry really was coming into this woman who's
you know, it's very very much the Waller Simpson moment.
I don't think they realized how protected. He really was,
so it never would have occurred to him that this
woman would be lying her ass off because he'd never

(44:07):
been allowed allowed near these people. And I was thrilled
when she was marrying in everybody wanted.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I was so excited.

Speaker 7 (44:16):
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
This inti racial americanness. And they yes, yes, fifty one
percent of the common mother's black.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I thought it was wonderful, just like Liechtenstein has you know,
black to the Throne we need Yes.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
I was a static and then all of it and
I was like, oh my god, it was like victim
and I'm like, oh, oh shere.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Then it was well, it was the medieval time dinner
and tournament that bow.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
When she left it, I was done. I was like, yeah,
Diana never played the victim. And I think that's what
really stood out because even though she was getting attacked
all the time from the outside, the media, all that stuff,
she was isolated inside. Like Richard would about how you
know she he'd be doing her hair one morning and
it would be depend on how how she looked, like
was it a five minute conversation or it was an hour?
You know, Like she went through a lot emotionally, and

(45:06):
she had no one to go to, She couldn't talk
to anybody, and yet all she wanted was love. All
she wanted was love until she died. And I find
that was the saddest part, was when she got to
find love or experience it with, you know, the doctor,
and then that broke up, you know, then to find
I was happy to see her with Doughty, but I
knew that was just a fling to throw it in
people's faces. I know that wasn't a real love thing.

(45:30):
You know from talking to people that she was deeply
in love with the doctor, and I think that was
just a bit of a flirty kind of moment. But
to see that happen and play out the way it
did was I'll never forget it. Everyone knows where they
were when she died, and it's just, yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Yeah, this may be kind of hard to think about
her answer, But is it I'm curious because I'm getting
a part of the common.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, I don't know all this stuff.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Is it possible that in her death people have kind
of idolized to another standpoint? Do you think it would
be this much not necessarily negative, but as much positive
force behind her.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
If she was still.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
Around, I don't I mean, I think she would still
be at a level.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
With it still matter, Yeah, doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
But because she died in her prime and she was
left with this beautiful like.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
For every young beautiful forever now, the iconic level that
she's attained because she's like untouchable now and she's always
remaining in that beautiful state that we remember her.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
But you know, that's why I love what you're doing
with this museum, because clothing earing this show a person,
not an idea.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
That's why that matters so much.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, otherwise she will just become this mythos figure like
Marilyn has, where people just want to wear the dress
to attach themselves. And you've already got people like the
daughter in law and Kim trying to do it.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yeah, I love, I really do love what you're doing
because you're stopping that from happening.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
Yeah, I knew that if I didn't preserve it in
one place, that that would just be scattered to whoever
can afford it. And now I'm due to the black
sheep sweater, which you know we helped get at that. Hi,
everything's gone crazy with with the amount address. There's a
lot of people with Billie billions. Now I don't have
that to invest in it anymore, and you know they're
buying them for holdings purposes, not like to really honor Diana.

(47:13):
I have a time when that happens, because I would
much rather come to our foundation and have it, you know, displayed,
to preserve her.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I'd like to I'd like to help you set up
a home for it.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I really would like to do that. I've got I've
definitely got I'll speak to some people.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Incredible.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, security, Now tell me this story. We're getting to
the end of the show.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
First, well, everyone were to find you on social media,
because that's the most important thing.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
The Princess Diana Museum, the Princess Diana Museum on all handles. Yeah,
the Princess Dane Museum. That's where you'll find us everywhere.
So yeah, and then yeah, but the one, the one
story I do want to share with you guys before
we leave, is the the story about Elton John. You

(47:57):
know the Yellow Brick Road album in the day, Well, Diana,
I have a collection of her albums from when she
was a teenager. It's everything from abba and she circles.
I am the dancing Queen, really cute. And then she's
got like the Eagles, She's got like the Beatles, she's
got oh gosh, wham, she's got all these ones. But

(48:17):
then she's got Elton John's Yellow Brick Road and then
the old LP's and they come out anyway. I open
it up and it's the eeriest thing you'll ever see.
It's like Elton John's on a picnic bench and he's
lying backwards on it, and then she's written three love
hearts under it. And this is in the sixties, like
late sixties. She doesn't know Elton John at this point.
They don't become friends. She's a teenager, she's a young adult.

(48:39):
And on the part where it's got Marilyn Candle in
the wind she's got love you Marilyn or something written
in her own handwriting under that song. I'm like, yeah,
so she didn't know Elton John. I love you and

(48:59):
then I love you Marilyn on the candle I Get
Goose is when I talk about it on the Candle
in the Winds song. I've got it on the album
and also on a cassette tape. You know the days
of cassette tapes of the old He did the exact
same thing on the cassette tape and don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Elton John rewrote Candle in the Wind for Princess Diana
when she passed because he saw such similarity.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Everyone was so offriend at the time. Why didn't she
get her own song?

Speaker 5 (49:26):
And he said, because their lives so paralleled and for
love so paralleled.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
It was a favorite song on that album because it
was about Marilyn Monroe, and so he wrote it for her.
He wrote that song and it was the Rose or something.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Song that he by England's Rose.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And he rewrote.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Candle in the Wind the funeral because she loved the
song and because the two so parallel.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
And then Preserve in the museum is just and that
that goes in the Gone too soon. I have a
whole section about her death and her passing. And another
one I want to share with you guys quickly before
we go is.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
If this was a film, that is some dark foreshadowing.
I'm just saying, I know, Sorry, I was right.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
You can't even predict that. You couldn't even make that up.
She was a teenager, she hadn't even married Prince Charles
at that point I hadn't even married Charles. Like that's
how it is, isn't that crazy? So anyway, I did
an interview with jaquesa Azaguri, and we've acquired the Fab
five dresses that were worn when, you know, right before
she passed. When I interviewed him, I said, at the

(50:34):
very end of my interview, I said, oh, Jacques, do
you have anything else that you know you have and
one day you might want to, you know, pass on.
He goes, well, or in a I have this very
special dress. It's in the vault, and I go, you
know years got This was in twenty nineteen when I
interviewed him. He finally retired last year. He allowed us
to acquire the Fab five dresses. And then I said,
what about that last dress that he goes you can

(50:56):
have it. So I have the last dress that Diane
and ever ever ever tried on before she died and
went to Paris. Oh, she came to his studio tried
the dress on, and it's absolutely god. I don't have
a picture of it here because it has never been seen. Obviously,
she didn't come back to wear it, but she tried.

(51:16):
She tried it on it's got pins in the back
where he's strapped in the pins and the pins are
still in the back of this dress. And so comes
really low down here, split right up the front, and
a fantail at the back. So she walked, her legs
would have like you know, the fantail would have opened,
and he said she was going to wear it to
a beautiful premiere when she came back from from Paris,

(51:38):
and sadly she never came back. And so we have
this dress that's never been seen before, and it was
the last dress that she's rosen a moment in time
with her legs with the pins still in.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
That's got to be at the end of the Tour's
that's incredible.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's really incredible. I mean all of them.
I just get so excited, as you can tell by
just all the pieces are just incredible.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
But I mean with stuff like that, especially something that
no one's ever seen before, Like I said, I'm really
happy or not intending on selling these because that would
be a massive payday for the right collector.

Speaker 9 (52:11):
So just it's Marilyn Monroe's dress was ruined by that
dress is not worth four million dollars anymore because Kardashian
wore it. Yeah, and she's doing it to tie herself
to these people and points to him.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
She's, you know, she's made a star of herself whatever.
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
She has like Diana's amethyst cross, and so I get.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
On by the way to try to preserve it for
the museum, and she upbid me, and I was like, Okay,
she's not gonna You're not going to out. Can I
tell you about the cross because it's in my act
I have a photo of it. Richard. Richard went to
go pick it up. It was only on loan, so
Dina she was wearing a you know, a dress and
he's like, oh, you need to look like Mary, Queen
of Scott's and she said, oh, it's gone. So he

(52:55):
went and picked the cross up. She wore it one
night and sent it back so she didn't own it.
It was on loan.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I like that better.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
I like it like that a little bit better. But
it's people trying to attach to these memories. If you
go through press photos before Megan met Harry, she did
things in Africa to copy the outfits, the whole whole nine.
Kim Kardassian's doing the same thing. And the whole point
is people are trying to attach to this legacy.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
No one can be her, no one.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
No one. But I wouldn't even want to try that.
It's like to make tacky too, It's like, why would
you try.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Or choose to feel if you did try?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Well, it's such a sad legacy.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Yes, what she did was incredible, but it was a sad,
lonely legacy.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Her entire life was given to the future of the
monarchy and to other people.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
We're serving others. I feel like she found that right
at the end, after the marriage broke down. She found
her real purpose and her mission was literally to help.
She knew she had that gift, but it wasn't until
that point that she actually really understood the impact that
she had and she was. She died when it was
just about to get really in high gear. That's why

(54:00):
I shall always be remembered her legacy. It sounds terrible,
but her legacy will hold forever, and that moment, because
she was lost so young, those causes that she pushed
into will always be in the spotlight.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
I think what you're doing, people will be able to
hear about it because of you.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah yeah, really so thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, and of course thank you for joining us on
the show today.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Thank you for having me. I absolutely love talking about
Diana and I just love you sharing it with the world.
And thank you for me, you know, for having me
here today to actually share that with you guys and
your audience. I really really thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
I really appreciate that, and I'd love to help you
find a permanent home.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And I think that was incredibly important.

Speaker 7 (54:41):
Yeah, just getting the word out about the book actually
would help, you know. Obviously, being a self published is hard.
So we're actually working on trying to get another distributor
right now to actually help us get it in bookshelves
because that would be a dream come true as well.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Well call me, that's what I got it was, I
can out there at the same time.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
We'll do that. So I want to get that out everywhere.
Thank you, guys, Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
Please go check out, go buy the book, check out
the museum. Don't you know everyone's trying to attach to
these legacies and the memories.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Don't look at the celebrities now trying to do this
and hook on to her. Look at who she was
and what she did and the best way to do
that is to go to the Princess Diana Museum.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
Thank you, Adam, how you find out who she was?
Good luck with your foundation as well. I really really yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I appreciate that very much.

Speaker 7 (55:29):
Yeah, it's good work. Good people try our best, don't we.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I feel awful. You guys help children. I spend my
money on foundation. I'm a bad person. Thank you so
much for joining us.

Speaker 7 (55:41):
Idly buy Buy Diana. I like design of stuff that
I can't wear.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
A much better person than I am.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Guys, thank you so much for please go check out
the museum.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I beg you buy the book. Check out the museum. Yes,
this will be remembered.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Princess Diana Museum dot org. I just want to put
in on as one more.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Go check it out, and one day when you know,
the King of Australia. I'm just saying, he's the King
of Australia is up there, and she becomes the Queen mother.
I think we'll look at collections like this as a
very pause moment time. They're very important. We don't want
them far flung and they aren't investment pieces. They are history.
Thank you so much for joining us. I'm the Baroness

(56:24):
of Airshan clen Lyons. I'm Helene. This is my co host.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
What's his face?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I am bear Fijorda.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Okay you can do that too, and.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
We wish you all to have a lovely night.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
We'll see you next week. Good night.

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