Behind The Wand and Friends - Chanel Williams

This week, I'm joined by the true Queen herself—no, not Dame Maggie Smith—but the incredible Chanel Williams! Chanel rose to TikTok fame with her spot-on impressions of Hogwarts' finest professors, particularly the iconic Professor McGonagall. Since then, she's become a beloved figure in the Harry Potter fandom, known for her hilarious skits that bring the Wizarding World to life in the funniest ways.In this episode, we dive into Chanel's journey within the fandom, exploring her creative process and how she connects with fans across the globe. We also discuss her thoughts on the future of the Harry Potter franchise, especially with the casting of a new generation of young stars for the upcoming series. If you're a fan of magic, laughter, or just an all-around amazing conversation, you won’t want to miss this one!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello, and welcome to episode seven of Behind the wand
and Friends. This week, my guest is the Queen herself,
Chanel Williams, even though you could believe it's actually Dame
Maggie Smith, because Chanell skyrocketed to TikTok fame after putting
up an amazing video of her doing impressions of the
Hogwarts teachers, and one that really stood out was her

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impression of McGonagall, and Sheanell is now widely known in
the fandom for creating these amazing skits where she not
only does McGonagall, but Umbrage and Trelawney and sort of
puts out these conversations between the teachers that don't exist
in the books but we sort of wish existed and
sort of exist in our minds. Chanelle is now one

(00:59):
of the best comedians in the Wizarding World. So we
talk about her relationship with the fandom, and we actually
talk about her concerns about casting for the new series
and new Children as we approach this sort of new
Harry Potter era.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Chanell's point of.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
View is a little sad, but it's very very interesting.
So with that being said, let's get into it. This
is me chatting to Chanel.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Matt. Sheally going to ask you a different first question.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I normally start with the exact same first conversation first question.
But what I want to ask you is how did
you first work out you could do the most incredible
McGonagall impression. I don't know, would you say it's a
day Maggie Smith impression or is it specifically McGonagall impression.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Ah, that's a very interesting question.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Okay, So first it was actually I did not know
that I could do impressions at all until kind of
a week or two before I.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Went viral for doing it. In my house.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
You'd always done like accents and stuff, but never impressions.
And then I joined TikTok just as the Harry Potter
accent challenge was going viral and everyone was doing Harry
Ron and Hermione and my whole. I'd seen someone say, well,
if you want to do well on TikTok, you should
take a trend and make it your own, and I
was like, oh, I'll do the teachers then, not thinking

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anything of it, and people were in the comments like
do you know what your Mcgonical's actually quite good? And
I was like, oh, I see it, oh lovely, and
then it just went mental from there. I think my
whole TikTok journey was amazing, but a little overwhelming because
I literally did go from zero followers to my first

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million in three months.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
So yeah, it was it was a lot, but it
was very cool.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
That is incredible.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
That is.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
There's a lot of people are really like jealous of
that trajectory. But I mean, like, your your stuff is
absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So then if we go like back even further, can
you remember, like, can you remember your first interaction with
Harry Potter and were you Are you a.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Harry Potter fan?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Okay, so it was.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Actually Harry Potter is one of my favorite franchises, but
it is not the favorite, and I think that some
people get very about that, gosh, but I do. I
love Harry Potter and I have loved Harry Potter since
I was six years old when my great aunt basically
I'm going to go into the deep nitty gritty now.

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So my my mum is single mum, and she worked
three jobs to keep me. I mean, kids are expensive, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
So my.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Great aunt she'd retired early, so she was free childcare.
And this woman loved to read. Like it wasn't like, oh,
would you like me to read to you? It was
this is reading our sit down, I'm going to read
to you. And it was amazing and I absolutely adored it,
loved it. She'd do all the voices and we just
got through the Worst Witch. We'd just done the Hobbit

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and I was begging for her to read me Lord
of the Rings. But I'm six, So she's like, no,
that's a bit advanced for you. But I have heard
about this thing Harry Potter, so we'll give that a try.
And so, yeah, I was six when we started Harry Potter,
and I think it was two thousand and one the
first film came out, and at that point I was

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already a Harry Potter fan, and Professor McGonagall was my
favorite character, but Maggie Smith was already my favorite actress.
Because I decided that Maggie Smith was my favorite actress early.
I was obsessed, and finding out that my favorite actress
was playing my favorite character, that was it.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
It was set for me. I was Harry Potters stand
for life.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh my gosh, and how crazy that that is?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Then like well, however, many years later, so when you
start first starting on TikTok, like twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Twenty twenty, the very end of twenty twenty, so.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Almost like twenty years later, you're like, do you know
what exactly like this is.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
My calling one hundred percent that I was saying to this.
I was saying this to a friend not long ago.
But literally everything that's happened in my life has been
setting me off.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
The right place at the right time. And then there
you go.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know, it's just ed spent so long as a
child watching the play of Miss gene Brody, which, if
you don't know, is is a film where Meggie Smith
please a Scottish teacher. So because I'd watched it for
so long, the extent challenge went they all and they said, well,
welcome to hog watch.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know it's so good.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
It is so good, Like every time I hear it,
it almost like takes you by surprise.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
How good it is.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Maybe because your great auntie did the voices and stuff
that maybe like subliminally from being that young, that that
sort of like.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
You know what, it's like subconsciously things do guide you.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, no, And I was thinking about it and even
though I've never done the impression out loud, because she'd
always read to me in the voices when I would
read fan fiction, because I'm sure we'll get into this later.
I was very much in the fandom. When I would
read fan fiction, I would read it in my head,

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in the character's voice. Yes, So when I thought about it,
I had been doing a McGonagall Maggie Smith impression in
my head for years before it came out of my mouth.
But definitely, I do want to add, like, if you
look at the early stuff, it was not this good.
I see some of my early content and I'm like,
damn your gaslight in me?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
It was bad.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
But you know what, like everything any craft, it needs
you know, it takes time to really affect it.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And I think that's like, that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Do you know if mag Day Maggie Smith has ever
seen your impression as anyone ever I did.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Several people have told me, oh, I know Maggie Smith
from this place. I'm going to show her, but I
would beg people not.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I absolutely adored.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Maggie Smith and her career and stuff, but I was like,
maybe once I was fourteen earlier than fourteen. I did
used to wish she was my grandma, But after that, like,
once you realized that actors are real people and stuff,
I want to know illusion that I don't know that
I knew her as a person. I was just really
appreciative of her body of work. And yeah, so I

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actually I was like, I would rather live on a
planet where Maggie Smith has never interacted with me in
any way, shape or form, then live on a planet
where she saw my stuff and was like, oh, what's that?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And I don't think that she ever would.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I do what I do very respectfully and it all
comes out of appreciation and love. But even still, I'm like,
let Maggie Smith live her life. I don't know, TikTok.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I think it's always like really funny because obviously I
just spoke to I spoke to em like last week
or two weeks ago, and obviously like she has come
like face to face with Tom Felton, and like, you
never know how people are gonna even if they're like
the most amazing impression. You just never know how people
impressions of them, so you're always like a little bit skeptical.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
But I feel like she would have loved it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
She's a good lie.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, she was such was it's still honestly, but yeah, no,
she was had such a good sense of and I
think that, yeah, she would have liked what I did.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I'd tell myself that anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Oh sorry, going back to your question, because you said
before whether it's a McGonagall impression or if it's a
Maggie Smith impression. I have a few different times with it.
I think in my content it's a it's a variation,
but it's more a McGonagall impression. I think that Maggie
Smith was such an icon and there was like a slow,

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very not calculated in a negative way, but Maggie Smith
was Maggie Smith that she could make one line last
for however long, whereas in TikTok you have to get
it fast and snappy and stuff. So it's kind of
my take on what maybe younger Blacker professor, and we

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love it.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
And we love it, so that's great.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
So then so you you'd read the books, So would
you say you're a film person or a book.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I'm going it comes to Harry Potter.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
I think definitely now at this age a film person.
But when I was younger, I'm awake, thank you. When
I was younger, definitely a book person. I remember I
got told off at the cinema going to watch the first.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Because I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
You remember, in the third book, which was the last
one to come out before the first film came out,
there's that scene after Divination where Harry finds out that
he's got the grim and they go to transfiguration and
Professor McGonagall transforms from a cat into a person. Yeah,
it's like upset because they don't applaud her. And I'm

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like seven years old and I'm going to the cinema
to watch it and we've just read that, and yeah,
every time Maggie Smith was on screen, I was just
in the cinema and.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
They're like, what is this doing?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Shut up? Or you don't worry? That is so good,
That is so so good.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So how do you then come up with your ideas
for your sort of specifically like Harry Potter content.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Then so many of the jokes, especially for the Potter parodies,
were jokes that I had been making since things that
I thought from the very beginning. I mean, my first
viral Potter parody, which is the McGonagall confronting umbrage with
Professor Trelawney.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, that one.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
I mean, obviously I hadn't come up with the jokes
ever before, but when people commented on my impression video
and said, you know, your McGonagall, your Trelawney, and your
umbrage are very good, and I was like, well, in
that case, we want that scene and we want to
know what Professor McGonagall, what were the cheveral words that
she wanted to see? Because I think as Harry Potter fans,

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we've all which wanted to know what it was. So
I was like, Okay, well this is a good opportunity
for me to do that. And then because that did
so well, it just it really snowballed from there and
now there's like a two hour, twenty minute compilation of
me just making the Harry Potter characters roast each other,
which is quite fun.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
So good like this content, and I think this is
like so many of you guys like, it's just like
such like joyful stuff to watch.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
That's why I think.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Like you can just really watch it and then just
enjoy it for what it is, and I just I
love stuff like that that you can really makes you laugh,
and I think like because there's kind of like a
like to the Harry Potter story. It's like those characters
are so wholesome in a way, especially in films, because
they don't you know, there's I think in the film

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world like a character like McGonagall is like so wholesome,
so seeing how do funny things, it's just right loves that.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think like one of my favorite things about my
content as it's progressed over the few years that I've
been doing this now is the majority of the people
who follow me are around my age. My main demographic is,
you know, twenty five to thirty five, and we identify
way more with the teachers now. Then we grew up

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being oh, why is Professor McGonagall so strict all of this?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And now we're at that age where we're like, oh, kids,
you know.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Is true?

Speaker 4 (13:23):
It's so much it's so funny to look at it
from that perspective, and what were the teachers gossiping about
and all of that stuff. So those are my favorite
content to make, like the teachers bitching at each other
or I don't know, just stuff like that because I
think a little having an eye in the staff room
would have been a fun time.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I was literally just about to saying that, because they've
obviously said in the series we are going to go
inside the teacher's staff room at Hogwarts.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I'm I know, like it's.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
So like you're so right as like I'm like my
thirties and I'm like, oh, I'd love to know like
who's sitting with who?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
What that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Out which students are they probably like having a bit
of a moan about.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I just love that it's gonna be so so good.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Exactly like the Snape McGonagall banter slash rivalry House points.
Oh my god, I just hope they write it well
because ye talk to me like I'm the authority on
this at this point, talk to me about yes.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You can be like you need to be like the
script advisor strictly for or so.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So what's the I don't.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Know whether we should start talking about the series and
loop back around to the fandom in general.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, let's go Okay, let's should we go on to
the series.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, if when you first heard that they were making
a series, I ask everybody this, were you excited or
were you a bit.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Like I was.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I was, I'll be honest, like not okay, so with
anything when it comes to remakes, when it comes to
spin offs and stuff, I'm very much I grew up
a fan fiction gally, so I'm of the opinion that
these things don't have to tarnish anything to do with
the things you already have. Like you cannot like the
remake of whatever, but you still have the original.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's not going anywhere, so it's not that deep.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
But obviously like having a complicated relationship with the source
material anyway, just because of JK. Rowling and everything that's
associated with what she chooses to do with her Twitter platform,
And on top of that, it feels so recent. It
feels so recent that the films came out. But at
the same time, I understand why they're doing it. So

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I'm neither a hater nor super excited for it. I'll
just see when it comes out. But I do think that,
like you said, the behind the scenes and the little details,
it's definitely deserving of more. I just personally felt like
it was too soon.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, I'm glad you've said that, because I was always like,
am I just in denial about.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
How old I am? And that it is time for
a remake, you know, and you're like, yeah, is it
time for a remake? Yeah, Like is it actually recent?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
But I think the general consensus is it is quite recent,
and I think a lot of people think as well,
because the films still hold up quite well. You can
watch the films and they get too dated. Maybe going
back to the Philosopher's Stone, parts of it do look
a bit clunky, but definitely with Deathly Hallows, I'd say
like that is still a great piece of cinema that

(16:35):
is enjoyable, you know, to watch. You're not thinking like,
oh god, like this is old, but yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
An interesting one. See.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I kind of think when I first heard, I think
I was just a bit shocked. Yeah, but now I
kind of feel like, as a Harry Potter fan, I'm
like a fantasy girlie. I love fantasy worlds. I'm like
deep like my Akata, our Fourth Wing era. So any
sort of like New Nurse that we're going to like
expand the universe to a bit more world building within

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the Wizarding World, Like I am actually excited for.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, I think I not so much. I'm not excited
for the series, but I'm interesting to see, interested to
see the spinoffs that could come off of this. I
personally like there's loads of spin offs and side stories
that I was always very interested in, Like, oh, they
could make that, and with the films being as big
as they were, obviously the actors from those films, you know,

(17:35):
they've gone off to have incredible careers, or they've you know,
they've taken their Harry Potter money and dipped, which I'm
say I would have done that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Behaved judgment from us, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Exactly, So I guess it gives them more of a
freedom to do that sort of thing, which will be interested.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
I mean, it's a TV series, so I suppose by
the time they get to Deathly Hallos, that's potentially an
another ten to fifteen years down the line, with how
long TV series take to make these days. So yeah,
it will be however long thirty years since Harry Potter
came out.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, and the time it finishes will be like, no,
it was time for a remake. You were right, You
were right on others see my opinion as well, which
anyone who listens to this podcast every week will be
so probably bored of me saying but I think so
much of.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It hinges on casting. That's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I think, like the story is there, I believe the
name's attached are people who've done things that I like,
like succession and stuff like that, and I think the
writer is really good on that, so I've got like
trust in the writing being good and then if they
adapt the book faithfully, it's a story that I love
so like great, But I just think casting and something

(18:52):
I hear over and over again, which I know you
make the funniest videos about, is casting age appropriate people.
And I have never never thought about it until I
watched your videos.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And I was die.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I was actually like laughing so much because I'd never
cut in. Every time I was like, who's she going
to go to next? It'd be like our Portunia and it.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Was so funny.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I was like, Okay, literally every single character is younger
than me.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
That is what I told you, exactly, Like when I
think about I am the age that Snape was in
the first one, and it's hard no wonder who was
pissed off with all these kids. The arm Portunia one
was wild to me because obviously, like I'm not, people
were coming for me. In that comment section it doesn't

(19:43):
condone child abuse. I literally say in the video that
none of this condonned child abuse, but just I do
think that factoring in the arm Putunia was like what
twenty three with a baby getting dropped on her doorsteps,
already married, already has a kid of her own, like
she's got stuff going on. I don't know how good
her mental health was, I.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know, yeah, like yeah, I can just say, yeah, it's
hard being a parent.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's hard. I can't even imagine doing it twenty three.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
And then having your your sister Sadley has just side
just drop the baby on your doorstep with a little notes.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Especially like given the note was probably like yo, what's opportunia.
By the way, your sister and her husband murdered for
this child, like you know their magic, they're dead, but
here's the same child watch out for the wisdom.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Like that's crazy, I.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Know, I know.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
And it's like and us rich wizards that live in
this whole castle where potentially we could bring.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Them up, we're not doing that. No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's one of the main things that I love about
Harry Potter. It's just when you really sit down and
think about it, it's like, oh, there were really no
adults to fight this wall.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
They just let kids do it. And it just cracked
me up every time.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's so true, it's true.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So where will the ads? What's that? Just chilling somewhere?
I know that's how the kids succeed.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So true, so true. So I'll just let the kids
know it's fine.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
But then also when you look at like just from
like my point of view, that when you look at
the ages though, I'm kind of excited though, because I
kind of want like a young, sexy cast.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
No.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I saw some of the cast in and I did
think because all of the people, and I never take
these rumors seriously anyway, because it's so far in advance
and the number of times it's been like, I got
so excited that Jessica Chastain was going to be cast
in The Seven Husbands of Everly Hugo, and then it
came out it wasn't going to be her, and I
was not broken absolutely, So I'm like, I'm not going

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to get attached to any of them.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Do you know who is going to be? Do you
know who it is he's going to play.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I've not heard anything since I was like Netflix you
dropped that you were going to do it, and I've
not heard anything, but.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I want it to be And I don't know. I
can't remember her name, now, Camille, did.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
You watch the other series they adapted, the Daisy in
the Six?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Did you watch that?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, the wife in that she used to date Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I cannot remember her. Yeah, I'll insert it. I'll insert
this off when I google what her name is.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
So the program we're talking about is Daisy Jones and
the Six, and the actress is Camilla Morone. She is like,
absolutely stunning, and I think she has because I think
like she's meant to be sort of like.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Latino or Mexican, like Cuban.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, and I'm love that we're going to do.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, Harry Potter, because honestly I love that book.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
I so I saw it recommended on book Talk even
didn't realize it was a didn't have any clinn that
it was going to be a woman loving woman book.
I literally had it on the alexa or like reading
out loud. My whole family was over and then it
got into the scene in the cupboard.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I was like, Alexa, I know it takes it.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it does take a tender, isn't it? Like it's
a meta But I loved I loved the story.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I feel like it's.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Probably a very realistic depiction of what it was the
Hollywood would have been, like, yeah, which is really sad
in a way, but I love when you think books
just really do give you like a snapshot in time
that obviously we were not.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
There for so so glamorous. But yeah, for them to
just do it, please, I just want to.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I just want to ship them because I shipped them
the same.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, So back to I know, I've seen like so
many rumors and every single one I'm like, oh my god,
I love that. Like, but what's your stance.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
On people who were in the film before coming back?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
I think it's tough because as much as oh my god,
like iconic, it would, but I kind of think it
would be better to like just leave it and have afresh,
have everyone be a fresh, new person, because I think
it distracts from the when you like dive into a
world and even though it's a world we visited already,

(24:24):
the whole time thinking well, there's Tom Felton as Lucy's mouth,
like the whole time, I would be thinking, oh, look.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
A little Tom like right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Slay queen nice edges like but yeah, so I personally
don't think so, but don't don't come for me next time.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know what I like.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
By the way, this is why you're out for job.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Me and Tom Felton have beef. So have beef with Tom?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Why did for actual actual beef?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
So basically, you know, he was in that uber eats
ad where it was like the one that Harry Potter
uber eats me.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I actually think that was such a good advert.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
No, well, yes it was because I'd been doing I've
been sponsored by uber eats four or five times, and
I've been doing like magical uber Eats things. I basically
wrote those jokes for them. I basically wrote that. They
were like, Oh, I will give you your piddly little TikTok
money for your for your sponsored uber next thing. I'll
see it's like a national thing. I was like, if

(25:34):
you think you would have come up with that without me, gosh,
so you could at least give me a cameo.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I would be fuming if I were you.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, So did you contact them and say like,
did you still whoever you're did you ever say like
thank you welcome.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
It's just one of those things I think you learn
while you're in the industry, like you have to really
read your contracts because half the time they do put
in clauses where it's like, oh, if we like your
idea but we don't you know, we we can use it.
I mean, there's no way I can prove that, but
I had already done four or five Uber eats tiktoks
that you know, goes off to their campaign people and

(26:14):
they sign it off and like with the same sort
of pun type magic basedb eats. It's not magic, it's
too great. If you haven't got a hell sale at home,
where don't you partake? See now I'm going to stop
now because I'm advertising for them in your podcast, but

(26:34):
I'm going to bleep out so they get no mention.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Also Uber eats, I'm joking.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I don't really have the but I just think it
was very interesting that that happens.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, So is that one of the okay where where
I'm I'm jumping all over.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm like, we're talking about series. Okay, So do you
have anybody that you would love to see being cast
in it. I'm saying adults.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
By the way, this whole conversation about casting and stuff
like that, I'm strictly talking about adults because let's just
leave them.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, that's why what I have.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Yeah, I've spoken quite a bit on my stories about
the kids casting and how I feel about it. I think,
especially nowadays, it's such a difficult thing to do, and
I this is maybe a controversial take, but I really
I personally think until they are able to keep these
kids safe from the backlash of the internet and in

(27:31):
real life, that they should I really hope that they
don't race swap.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Hermione.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
I personally really feel that I absolutely have no problem
with race swapping. Generally, It's happened all the time, and
there are plenty of characters that have been made white
in the past that people don't seem to have a
problem with. But if we're going to do that, and
I know they did it in the play, I've had
the same argument with people about, well, you know they
did it in the play and that was okay. The
backlash over the play, which arguably people were less obsessed

(28:02):
with stuff like that, then blackclash over the play was bad.
And those actresses were grown up women who had to
contend with the most racist file being spewed at them
and whatnot. But the reach of the play is going
to be nowhere near the reach of the TV show.
And as much as I would love to see a
black Hermione, I have loved the black Hermione fan art

(28:24):
since I was a kid, and did imagine her black
in the beginning. I think if you're taking a child
that potentially has no experience of fame and what that means,
potentially from an open casting with a family who potentially
don't know what that means, I think that can be
incredibly detrimental for a person growing up. And I would
advocate tooth and nail for Hallie Bailey in The Little

(28:46):
Mermaid because I thought she was an exquisite Ariel and
it was about the voice.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Her voice is Stella. I think she was perfect as Ariel.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
But she's she's an adult and already famous and knew
what she was getting into when she signed up. And
I think Harry Potter is such a big machine. And
I'm not saying that parents willingly are going to throw
their kids under the bus for money, but at the
same time, it's something to think about. And I just
think having been part of campaigns where big studios and

(29:19):
staff have thrown you under the bus as a person
of color, because yeah, it's great to have people of
color on the thing, to be like, look how diverse
we are, Look how inclusive we are, and then not
give the protection that you need when that potentially turns
around and you've got everyone in your comment section calling
you a monkey and calling.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
You this and calling you that.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
And I think at you know, at that age, at
like what twelve, and you can say, oh, we can
keep them off the internet, But at the same time,
how does that protect the children that are reading those comments,
like kids that look like me, who are reading those
comments where people are like, oh this, Hermione's ugly, this,
Hermione is this?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Some mind is that?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Especially because she comes with a ready made slur already.
I just I'm scared that my blood will just become
the end word that people can say that I have
fears about it, and I just yeah, I just really
hope that they don't do that perctly.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, everything you've said, I I think it's completely valid,
And I think I've said on this podcast before, like
you know, we're at a time where people really can
have a direct line to people in opinions out there.
Also people can put really horrible things out there anonymously,
which is also like yeah and yeah, I just I

(30:41):
just yeah. I think there's going to be a lot
of conversation around around the children.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
And what they're yeah, getting getting involved in, which.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Especially like because you see stuff with like even with
Millie Bobby Brown, Millie Bobby Brown in uh a stranger things,
she had to do barely anything to become Oh she's annoying,
she's this, she's that, and for it's become a big meme.
And I just think, like just the way the internet is,
and some people are like, there's plenty of people that

(31:13):
I'm sure and they would be valid in thinking this,
like Archanelle, you'll being over the top, like you're being dramatic.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It's not that deep.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
But as somebody who because this is my job, I
spend a lot of my time on the Internet, so
I maybe see aside to this fandom that not everybody
does see, and not just this fandom, but fandoms in general.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Because.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Harry Potter, Yeah exactly, but it kind of is that
deep and it can be really overwhelming, and it's crazy
to see that, at least online and in terms of
how people how the this vocal minority seems to feel.
They're far more comfortable saying things that I mean, ten

(31:56):
or fifteen years ago, you wouldn't dream of saying just
because of black person was cast in this just because
somebody's been you know, gender swopped or whatever. And I
understand that everyone's attached to the characters that they love,
and I do think that there is you know when
studios just think, oh, like we'll change we'll change the

(32:16):
race of someone and think like, oh, that's representation, and
not make any adjustment to the plot. Like, I think
there's a good way to do it, and there's a
bad way to do it, and there are plenty of
examples of where it's been done in a bad way,
but that's not the access fault.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
No, yeah, I think it's Yeah, I think they need to.
Like I spoke to another creator called Chloe, and she
spoke about one I've actually forgotten his name, the character
in Harry Potter, and they made some reference to him
being Jewish, and she was like, that's great as a
Jewish character, that's great.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
She's Jewish.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
She was like, but there's no development of it of
what that meant to be Jewish at Hogwarts.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
So it is you're going to do it.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's great, and I hope they do, but it needs
to be dealt with in the correct way. Yeah, And
the characters need to be dealt with with respect and
make them whole characters and we do see their story,
you know. That's another thing that I thought was really
interesting when I spect to Trey is that he was like,

(33:23):
the amazing thing about different cultures is you can read
the same thing that they can be interpreted in different ways.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Culture is And I think that's like.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Really when he was saying that was like so interesting
and so true that I hope they do sort of
take all this on and create something really really amazing
that everyone one.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Hundred and I think I would think such better representation
if rather than you know, race swapping a character that
people are going to be really angry about not saying
that they shouldn't do that again, I think, like, I
don't care if it's an adult like over it, but

(34:00):
like it's kids that you're throwing under the bus with
the younger kids. But I would much prefer there are
black characters. Let Professor Sinistra do more. Let Angelina Johnson
Lee Jordan, like, let's have side plots of the Jordan
and stuff like that. Just really develop those characters that
are there, because I mean, there's examples of actual racism

(34:23):
happening in Harry Potter that nobody is. You know, Ron
would go to bat for for Hermione if she gets
called a mud blood by anyone. But then when Pansy
Parkinson says that Angelina Johnson's braids worms coming out of
her head, like, there's no discussion, like she's friends with
Blaze and she got So that is stuff that could

(34:45):
be looked into, could be developed, and I think would
be super interesting. But so I hope, yeah, that's what
I hope for it. But in answer to your original question,
I I don't know I've seen, but I've seen people saying, oh,
we'd love to have Jillian Anderson casts Professor McGonagall.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
You can't do that.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Professor McGonagall is my grandma, and I'll find Jillian Anderson
really sexy, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I don't think that you can do that to me.
It's too confusing, it's like she played Margaret Thatcher in
The Crown was I'm confused?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
There was one scene, sorry, there was one thing.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Why does Jillian Anderson just have the mososeexual chemistry with everyone?
There's one scene in The Crown where I literally was like,
are they going to kiss? About her and the Queen?
I know that Margaret Thatcher and the Queen weren't going
to make out, but I did think that for one second, this.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Is it happening?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I know, yeah, yeah, it's so true. But there's so
many actors that are like this whole thing that I
don't think it will happen because he's American, but that
people wanting Adam Driver to be snape, which I actually
am like no, because I feel like he's too like
Alan Rickman. I don't want to see people doing impressions
off the the actors.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I don't want to see too old.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, I don't want to see that. But then I
saw like is it Papa? Is that how you say
his name like he's he was rumored? But again I
was like he is.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Gorgeous, too sexy. You don't like.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
What you said earlier about like a young sexy cast.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
I was like, yeah, no, one hundred, Like, fine, if
we're going to make Snape sexy, I mean, my my
great aunt. Every time he came on screen, she was
like Alan Rickman's got a very sexy voice. I was like, Brenda,
calm down, I'm scared, but but yeah, just go crazy,
make them all stunning.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
But yeah, I mean I like sexy people only in
the series for the teaching.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Who I would like is and I've forgotten her name,
which is disgusting, like so tarnished me. But the actress
who played Oh my God in House of the Dragon,
whose dragon was Malee's the.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I've never seen the dragon, so I'm really not going
to help you.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
She was exquisite, the queen that never was. People who
were listening that they'll they'll know who I mean, but
let me.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
She's middle aged. She's not. She's you're as young as
you feel. She's exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
They don't be like really old.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Well looking back, I mean Maggie Smith.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
I'm not saying she was too old to play McGonagall
because she was the perfect McGonagall and I love her,
but also she was a bit I mean, Professor McGonagall
was described as having.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
What Black if Best Eve Best should play Professor.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I think she'd smash it. But yeah, if you'd seen
House of the Dragon, then you know what. I haven't
seen her in anything. I think she's in Wings Club
as well or something, but yeah, I feel like she
do that stern Stern but with a heart of golds
so well.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And I just want all of Professor mcgonagalll's.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Good scenes to be in it, like yes, yes, stunnered
and when she's riding transfigured tables and chairs into battle
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yes, yes, yes, yes we need her, we need yeah exactly.
That's what also makes me excite about the series is
like just having more like fleshed out characters and seeing
those amazing things that you don't that they do in
those storylines that you don't get.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
To see in the film. But yeah, we'll.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
See, we'll see. I don't know when when's it comes out,
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
We've got a while, but I think like, surely they're
going to start, we must.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I think they start filming in the summer, right, so
surely we're going to start people who've been cast and
stuff like that, which I think will Yeah, I think
it will really say, but do you know what we're
saying all this, and I always say this, we sell this,
people are going to watch it.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So really it could be terrible and people are still
going to watch it.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So ahbo are probably like me, they care but like
so like it's the same like what I was saying
earlier about like I personally hope that they don't they
don't cast a black hermione.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I'll still like I will support that girl.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, they're like, yeah, golden girl.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Like, if they do, I just hope they do it
with care yees.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
In an ideal world, it wouldn't matter if she was
a but we don't live in an ideal world.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
And I just hope that if they do do that,
then they'll put.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
The safety in place so that it won't you know,
tarnish her self esteem and her view of it yourself.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, of course, Like I mean, from the very small
part I played in it, I would say like warn
brothers especially, I always say, like David Hayman was really
really good at making sure we had a good time.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
We were there.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
We were in a really safe bubble, had like my
parents with me. But I just think it's a different
time now. Yeah, filming in two thousand, it was a
different time, so I just don't know what it will
be like this time. But yeah, very little interaction with
any sort of press.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, because that's like, I think it's crazy that nowadays,
when a kid is casting something like this, they can't
really be a normal kid because of how much press
they have to do associated with stuff like watching back
all of the Stranger Things, for instance. And I would
argue that it's more so now because not only is

(40:23):
it like professional jun kits, social media is like a
really important thing, Like they all have tiktoks and they
have like stuff that they're putting out themselves at the
request of management and studios and stuff. And yeah, I
just I'll find it crazy because any little thing that
you do, even you see stuff where it's like, oh,

(40:45):
look at this coastar in the back, clearly they hate
each other and they're just on they're scratching their nose
because they have people.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I know, I know, and like I'm I'm not saying
that if you're like shit, you deserve to be like trolls.
But also things like what is like shocking to me
is that Milly Bobby Brown is an exceptional actress. I
think she is amazing that if you look at the
first series or how young she is, I might wow,
Like they're all incredibly talented children. And I'm not saying

(41:17):
if they weren't, they would then deserve like to get Yeah,
I'm not saying that, but it's just, you know, shocking
that people could and they obviously really love the series,
they love their so it's a shame that people don't
ride that wave with them, which I had.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, no, sorry, yeah, sorry, I was just going to
say I find it so strange almost that because they're
actors and stuff, people don't allow them to be kids
as like even just the leniency of oh, they're a
bit annoying. Well, yeah, like most kids can be a
bit annoyed. I was terrible when I was a kid,

(41:57):
like just because I was so enthusiastic about everything and
not having ADHD and stuff like. There's not it's the
same when you see a lot of hatred towards I
don't know if you don't Rachel Ziegler, for example, very talented,
multi talented actress. I think that she's brilliant, and there

(42:18):
are like a few press jun kits and stuff where
she said a few things that people don't agree with
but to be able to go through from you know, oh,
I personally don't really I don't really like this person's personality,
but they're good at what they do too, that shouldn't
have a career because they're mildly annoying to me.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Like, yeah, it is wild, it really is. It's just
on a different level.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
But wow, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Sorry, We're supposed to be talking about Harry Potter and
I'm just so no.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
No, but this is like the no no byeraction out. Honestly,
I write questions down. I've asked one of what I
actually wrote down to ask, and that is the same
for every interview.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
But it's better for it. It's better for it.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I think this is why I love podcasting, because I
feel like you are just tuning into chats like you
artists like a fly on the wall thing, which I like,
really enjoy the format of. But that's why I love podcasting. Okay,
let's let's go back to Harry Potter, and you know,
I'll move on to so I've got some So what
house are you in?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
If you're in a Hogwarts house.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
I'm a basic bitch me Oh sorry, can I say that.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Now?

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I'm a basic bitch, I'm a gryffind Or. So the
older I get, the older I get, I do feel
like I was maybe maybe a raven claw gryffind or
hat stall or something. I lean more raven claw these days,
and not just because Professor McGonagall was a raven Claw
gryffin or hat store.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I genuinely think that I.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
When I was doing those pottermor quizzes, I was cheating.
I was cheating.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
But that's a very Gryffindor thing to do in it.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Okay, this is so funny you're saying this.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I was like, I'm things all but and then I
was speaking to I think it was like the spicial
flip cars and they're like, oh, so if you've done
the quis and I was like yeah, and it was
Griffin's They're like, so you are and I was like no, no, no,
because I was answering, thinking what was someone in Gryffinder
say I, And I honestly, hand on heart think if
I answered it, how I truly would I huffle puff.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I feel I also strongly feel that as when I
was younger and a little hater, the worst thing in
the world to me was being a Hufflepuff, but as
an adult, I genuinely think coolest house with the coolest people,
Like I rate half a Puff so highly.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
And you know that question when people ask that which
house would you get rid of? If you had to
get rid of a house. When I was young, I
would have said huffle Puff, No Cat. I genuinely think
like it would be Gryffindor, because I think every Gryffindor
could easily like slot into another house. But the Gryffindors
are just the ones that are.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Like pick me.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I said this, So basically, I interviewed Brett last week
and he asked me, or would you rather? And he
was like, well, so would you rather a question that
if you were the headmaster of Hogwarts and you had
to get rid of exactly what you said, Oh yeah,
who would you get rid of? And I was like,
I think we're Findle because I feel like they'd just
be fine on their own.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
They'd be fine. They'd make you.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
And you know that's so funny because I was on
his podcast and I think that's where.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
And I just say, I've got to like put this
out there, and this is no shade on Brett. But
when I was interviewing him everything. He was like, yeah,
I used to do that on my podcast. And I
was like, Brett, I promise you. I haven't listened to
your podcast and just ripped it off like I literally
had to say, like you assume me but like copyright
in bridge it because.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I used to do this podcast a few years ago.
I was like, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
He was like, no, it's fine, but in all honesty,
do I give Hufflepuff energy?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I think you give Griffindor energy personally? Yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Then I don't know. Okay, I'll see. I need to
do the test again.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Does that hat say this is the choices? It's the
choice we made, exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
It's true. That's so true. Okay. Which is your favorite book.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Prisoner of Azkaban?

Speaker 4 (46:17):
And I remember going to the to go and see
it at the cinema, which and it is one of
my favorite films. But I was so heartbroken that we
didn't get the scene at the end where Harry just
drops casually to Vernon and Petunia that his convict uncle,
like his godfather, who's an convicted felon, has escaped prison

(46:38):
and he's going to be checking in on me that
that is so it's so bad.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
It's so good. Again, then what's your favorite film in
the series.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Okay, and one hundred.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
It's not the best film, I'm just biased, But the
two films with the most Maggie Smith in them, So
that's Order of the Phoenix and Deathly Hallow's Part two.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
But that is purely because I.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Get the most Maggie Smith. If it was up to me,
Maggie Smith would have been in every scene, just them camping,
and definitely Hallows.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And they're in the background.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, it probably would have done a lot better and
worked a lot quicker if she had been.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
If if Dumbledore had let McGonagall raise Harry, I know
that there's the whole blood curse whatever like that.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
He had to go with them, but he only had
to spend a certain amount of time with them.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I strongly believe if Professor McGonagall had been allowed to
raise Harry Potter honey Wood, you have had the cutest
little Scottish accent and been running around in a kill.
They'd have destroyed Baltimore Early Doors and still had time
to get the homework done. But one.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Is the McGonagall efficiency that we love.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
She would have been the best little quidditch grandma.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
She oh, okay, So, which if you could spend one
day in the Wizarding World, at some a location in
the Wizarding World, where would it be.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
You can't just say Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
You got to say, like, I'd go for like lunch
in the Great Hall and then I'd watch Quidditch, right, you.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Know, yeah, oh that I have to Hogwarts at all.
It could be.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah, that's actually a proper tough question because even though
I personally Fantastic Beast was not my favorite, but some
of those sets were like the coolest stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
And if I was, I'm thinking, I'm giving Chic nineteen.
When is it set?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
I can't remember when it's set, but like cheek fashion,
a strange let, a strange cue outfit on, I'll maybe
just strut into the Ministry of Magic and.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Go and snug my handsome Alan husband.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yes, yes, yeah, feeling it. I love it. Live in
the Panta so you know, oh my god, absolutely obsessed.
That's such a good answer.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
No one's dipped into that. It's a Fantastic Beasts. Yeah,
but yeah, totally where is it?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Like New York? I can totally see you, like around there.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I could. I can see it.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Okay, if you could brew one potion or cast one
spell for the rest of your life, what would it be, Oh.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Felix felicis I suppose it's like the obvious answer, but
I'm going to try not to be.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
No, do you know what?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Everyone has said that, and I'm kind of like, because
it's just we're over it.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
No, it's probably just a great question that I've written.
I should have just done spell, but mind so I can't.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I can't have the invisibility cloak, I suppose.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
But okay, for the sake of pranksteriness, maybe a disillusionment
charm so that I mean I could go into a
bank with a disillusionment charm, muggle bank. They ain't got no,
And I'm not trying to be a thief, but at
the same time needs musks.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
We're in a reception.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, we're all hustling.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
We've just gotta do what we gotta do. But potion wise,
I don't really know that many good potions. Yes, have
to be that.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Okay, that's why it's good.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I like that one. I like that one.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Okay, Now I've got some would you rathers? Which okay, yeah,
they're not there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's two. I don't know the word. Do you see then? What? Yeah?
Would you rather?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Okay, would you rather have a hippogriff or a pedthestal?
But what we're saying is nothing bad has to have
happened for.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You to have the festal and see the festal? Okay?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Well, actually that's isn't easy ask for me. The Festals
are my favorite. I wouldn't want to ride it. I
wouldn't want to ride it because I do I'm in
a question. I have a degree and a master's degree
in horse based subjects, so yeah, I used to work
with race horses before, so I'm used to a bony horse.
To be honest about.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Reality, I think I would.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Rather have a Festial just because energy wise it's more
of a match. Me and Buckbeek would get into it.
Obviously we'd respect each other, but we would cite each other.
I feel like it would be.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I feel like relationship wise it would be Flinn Rider
Maximus dynamic, and I don't always have I don't always
have the energy for that.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I get it, I get it, and yeah, fine, right,
who would you rather have as a bestie?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Harry Ron or Hermione.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Ron.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
I think, Yeah, I feel like he's so underrated in
the three, especially like I know Film Ron lost a
lot of his great moments. They kind of got given
to Hermione a lot. But I feel like Hermione. I
love her to bits, but I like being the smart girl,
and she's smarter than me. So I would be like,

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all right, we get it, you're clever.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yeah, like love her, but I feel like she would
go away and Harry the main character energy. Okay, we
get it, we get it, You're possessed again. I just
want to feel Ron's funny, He's chill. We could eat together.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, and you can hang out of the Burrow with him.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Like exactly, and then hang out with Fred and George.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
And also I always had I had the biggest crush
on Film Jinny, so I could make I mean not
Film Jinny by no shape. But yeah, I could just
take Harry's place and then marry his sister.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
That.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yes, that could happen. Right.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Would you rather be haunted by Peeves constantly playing pranks
on you? Or would you rather have moaning metal living
in your bathroom?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
I'm not I'm not chilling with mine and metal. I'm sorry,
I don't I diameter with it. I think she's a creeper.
In the fourth film, the actions are going too far.
She's actually given pest and we need at that point
when she was looking through the bubbles at Harry under
the water, we need to call the Vatican because we

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said too far exactly because you know, if that was
hermione in the bath and nearly headless, Nick is well
flopping his head under the water. Look, you know no
one would be laughing about it, but because Harry is
a boy, it's not.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Okay, So you're going Peeve.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I'm going Peeves. He can irk me all we want.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Which also, Brett gave the best casting for this of James.
A cast Peeves and I was like, I'm kind of nice.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Now that's the problem though, I think sometimes when we
cast it in our heads and then the casting isn't
what you hope for.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You're like, oh, I know it's going to be a
list of names, we have no idea who they are,
and I'll be like, oh, that'd be exciting as well.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I'm just in a different way.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Okay, would you rather have a time turner or an
invisibility coke cloak.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Oh, I think time turner because I'd lose the invisibility cloak.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I forget. I had to put it down the right
way round and I'll.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Be like, oh, where is it somewhere?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, it's it's somewhere.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, time turn is good. Okay. Would you rather have
a flying car or a brimstick? Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Flying car? Flying car? But I get to choose what
car it is. And it definitely has bluetooth, so.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
I can imagine just im looking down, looking down on
all those losers on the five.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yes, flying over the five, you'd be like friends for
the bread listening. By the way, Americans.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Or anyone doesn't live in the UK, I should say
the M twenty five is a pretty hectic motorway.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
It's a nightmare.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
And also like not to get into twenty five logistics,
but it's like a ring road. It's a massive circle.
And there's this one poor guy who he I thought
he was a bit confused because his medication.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Was not quite right.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
He drive round on it for like four days, didn't
He just stopping and getting more and more petrol because
he was like, I'm lost, but if I just keep driving,
I'll get somewhere, but it just kept going round.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
That is all. That's my idea of like hell, it's
just being hell. I've going round and round. That actually
makes feel sick.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Okay, would you rather have a boggot turn into your
most embarrassing memory or receiver? Howler in the Great Hall
from an annoyed family member? Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Howler one?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Because I personally don't get embarrassed by stuff like that,
but my my most embarrassing moment is a lot, so
I wouldn't want to have to be reminded of that.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Would you rather spend the night alone in the can
I speak? The night alone in the Forbidden Forest? Or
the Chamber of Secrets? Chamber of Secrets? Basilisk is alive,
but what year is it?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Is tom about or not? Well, it's tom About?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Does that make you want to go in the Chamber
of Secrets.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
With riddle affearance? Like? No?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Oh no, it does make me laugh? How many I
think about this all the time. If he hadn't become
noseless and he still looked like he did in Chamber
of Secrets, I know how many people would be joining
the dark side because oh yeah, people are thirsty and
It's like, guys, this is actually like this is a
hate clan, Like you're basically joining the KKK just because
you think he's hot hot. Yeah, yeah, I was more asking.

(57:05):
I was more asking just to check if the basilist
is active. But she because if she's upstairs petrifying hermione,
she's not downstairs with me. But I do think I
would choose the Forbidden Forest, and I'll probably go and
find me some centaurs to just be like, hey, can
you keep me safe from the acromanchulo because I'm not
about that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I'm not Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I get it.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I always think for Biden forests. And again, like loads
people have said this just for the sighting of a unicorn. Ah,
that's nice, but I would be absolutely terrified. Okay, would
you rather have a first kiss with Ginny under the
stars in the Astronomy Tower, Yeah, or Pansy Parkinson cuddled
up by the fire in the Slytherin common room.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
If Pansy Parkinson has no haters, I'm dead.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
She's one of my least favorite characters, but she is pretty.
I'll give her that.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
But I'll pick Ginny, even though I do think Harry's
Harry and Jinny's kisses in the films they cracked me up.
They weren't my favorite, but that must be so awkward.
Blessed them because they've known each other since they were
like little little and you've got to just kiss now?
Why did Ginny set him up like that? She was like,
oh was your eyes and then just stood there like

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such a mansa, just waiting.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
The kissing is so bad in the film.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
It's so bad, like they can yeah, yeah, I mean
like it's kind of I think we can say it
because when I was watching, I probably was the right
age to not be like a thirty year old woman
chudging like thirteen year olds kissing.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, time I was like, is this okay? You know?
But I guess I guess it was. I guess like
when you are that age, it is all a bit awkward,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Yeah, Like it's realistic and that's I remember my first
kiss and it was.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Not it was not you at all.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
When we see the high romance stuff, that's actually selling
us a lie. So really, Harry, it was a favorite favor.
It made it realistic.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Really, especially for like the UK as well. I feel
like what did we have to go on anger strongs
and perfect snogging. That's where I got my kissing information from.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Same same, that's just exactly the same. I think a
lot of people will feel that on it on a level. Okay,
right now, I've got some if you don't, obviously don't
have to answering to these some what is a take
on snog married void and it's love potion is married magic,
missile toes kiss.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And a barka is avoid kill? Okay, answer some of these?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yeah, no, I am. I'm just going to forget which
ones they are so you.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Can just say mary kill, just use the normal thing.
I'm just trying to do a Harry Potter spin on it.
But really, everyone's.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Okay, let's go. I've got different ones.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I don't which ones to give you tough ones because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Okay, let's give you umbradge Yeah, Petunia, mm hmmm, Bella Trix.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Oh okay, right now, you would have thought like this
is easy, it's easy to know who you're going to kill,
but it's not. That's not necessarily the case. Bellatrix is hot,
yes she is, but I also think she'd stab me
in my sleep without like like she'd just wake up
in a bad mood and murder me. So that's not

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worth having around for a wife. So I would probably
kiss her. Yeah, I'm going to snob bella Trix and
that leaves the other two. Now you're marrying now Umbridge,
she should probably die. But at the same time, what
was she not saying? I'm a gold digger, but I'm
not just marrying to not get stuff. And what's Ptunia

(01:01:04):
got besides half of Grunnings drills now that she's divorced Vernon,
I'm going to kill Umbradge just because it's what I
should do as a dutiful Harry Potter fan. I've got
a married nt Portunia.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
She keeps a nice house. I feel like she's a
good cook.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
You can find happiness there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Maybe yeah, and like maybe Aunt Portunia wouldn't have been
as much of a dick if you know, she just
had she wasn't around and his mental ask and yeah
a babe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, yeah, completely completely agree.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Okay, serious, No, I don't want to do that one
actually will No, I will serious Lupah Snape.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Snape's dead easy, bless you, severus. I'm so sorry for
the cards that you would dealt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
But also I would I would marry.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Serious because ah, the daddy issues are strong with this one,
Serious Black. And the thing is, though, I think he'd
actually be awful because bless him, developmental like young adulthood.
He was in prison, so this man is like a
thirty five year old child. But at the same time,

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he's so hot and Remus. I'll have a cheeky kiss
with Remus under the mistletoe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Okay. Last one, Denny, Luna Hermione.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Okay, that's so savage that you've got to kill one
of them, I know, but needs must.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
One of them's got to go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
And everyone's gonna hate me for this because I know
Luna is so loved and she's should be loved and
no one should kill Luna. But I'm going to do
it because because I love I love Luna, love good.
But I also think that we would grate on each
other just because I have ADHD, and so if people
don't get to the point very quickly, I'm like, what

(01:03:15):
are we doing here? You know, while we speaking, get
to the head. Even though I ramble all the time,
but I think, like I would just find Luna. I
love how much she's herself. I really rate her as
a character. I don't want to hang out with her
personally though, so I would have to murder Luna. And then,
like I already said, I'll marry Book Ginny because I

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had such a crush on her and she just is
my love, Like she's so charismatic, she's such a badass
and no wonder no one's are all the boys were
falling over exactly in Book.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yes what a queen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
And yeah, I'll snug Hermione because even though I think
she would nag me if we were married, I think
that I'll definitely still kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
My Yeah, would I you? Great? That's all my questions.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
I love how like we spent the first fifteen minutes
or something just on one question and then it was
like speak right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
I was like, right, We've got to be the quick question.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
So I hope you all enjoyed my conversation with Chanelle,
and I just think this is a really good time
to say that. You know, I'm hoping everybody who listens
to this is a Harry Potter fan and loves being
part of this fandom. And I think it's so important
that when this news series comes out, we treat it

(01:04:48):
with nothing but respect. And love and kindness, you know, creatively,
it might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I
think there's a way to, you know, constructively criticize and
still keep any sort of feedback about the series respectful

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and of course there is absolutely no place for racism.
But anyway, I had such a good time speaking to Chanelle,
and I really hope you all enjoyed listening to that.
Moving on to next week and we have the Harry
Potter podcasting og Eric Skull. Eric has been podcasting with
MuggleCast for twenty years. They are the very, very first

(01:05:34):
Harry Potter podcast, so we have an amazing conversation looking
back over those twenty years and how the fandom's evolved,
what's different, what's the same, and just really getting into
Eric's journey. It is truly fascinating not to be missed.
So that is next episode, but until then, have a
magical week.