Behind The Wand - Episode 25, Flick Miles

This week on the podcast, I got interviewed by Behind The Wands producer Lucy. I dive into life on set, my favorite scene and what I may have taken from the set.

Episode Transcript

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Hello, Welcome to episode twenty fiveoff Behind the wand my name's Flick Miles
and I was Emma Watson's double inthe Harry Potter films, well the first
three, and in this podcast Ispeak to other people who worked on the
movies about what they did and theirexperience. So yeah, this week is
our Christmas episode, So Merry Christmaseverybody and the guests. This week is

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me, so how we've worked itis or works this episode is the producer
of the podcast, Lucy has basicallyinterviewed me about my time on the films
and my experience. Obviously, throughthe other episodes I speak about it a
little bit, but this is justa bit more of a deep dive.

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So yeah, here is me toking to producer Lucy Enjoy. So yeah,
let's just go for it. I'ma little bit nervous. I'm thinking,
like, well, you're gonna askme. I'm trying to remember that
stuff, but hopefully I should havesend you the notes and stuff beforehand.
But we'll see how it goes.We'll see how it goes. Okay,

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So I've sort of done this inlike chorological order, but we can go
off on tangents it's just a littleconversation. We have to start it like
how you start every single episode.Yeah, what was you drob? Okay,
so this feels so weird telling youthis because you already know it all.
But okay, So I was HermioneGranger's double in the first three films.

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So just to explain a little bitabout what a double is, because
you know, there was more thanone double on the film set, and
there's lots of different doubles, likeobviously stunt double, which I wasn't a
stunt double, and there's stand insand stuff like that. So but I'll
just explain what I did and whyI was brought onto the film, which

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was because we were So I wasten when I started filming, and Emma
was the same age. She's actuallyborn like three days after me, which
was really bizarre. We had abouour birthdays really close together. But it
was obviously a lot of fun.Yeah, a lot of fun when we
were at the studios because they alwaysmade sort of a big deal about us.

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So I'm just going off. I'malready going off on a tangent,
but I'll try and to stay focused. On birthday, remind me to tell
you the birthday story for my firstbirthday when I was on Harry Potter.
But anyway, so because we wereunder sixteen, legally you're only allowed to
film for four days and four hoursa day. I'm not sure whether this

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has changed or not, but thiswas definitely the sort of the legal requirements
when I was changed. Like childFilm were so strict in Australia, Like
it's very strict, and I'm prettysure it's still four hours a day or
something like that. It's very title. They had like a little sort of
like ticksheet and they would literally tickevery half an hour what we were doing

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to ensure that we had our breaksat the right type, Like Warner Brothers
were super strict with it, tomake sure we had the correct amount of
breaks, we had the correct amountof schooling, we went on set too
long, we finished at the righttime. So yes, you can only
film for four hours a day andsimply just to film as much as possible,
as quickly as possible. They woulduse me for sort of things where

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you don't see face on, soit might just be sort of like behind
Hermione's head and like her ear andher jaw. It might just be like
a pickup shot off her hand.It might just be something in the distance.
I might have even been like offcamera sort of like as a as
an eyeline for somebody because I'm likethe right height and stuff like that.
And I actually think like this partof the face, because I know I

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say this every single time, andI think people look at me and think,
but you look nothing nick Emma Watson. But I think we just have
a similar shaped face. And actuallya lot of stuff is sort of like
this Area's films, like you know, she's talking to Harry and Ron,
and I just think we had quitea similar jawline, So if they wanted
to like a similar body structure,similar, Yeah, we were both quite

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small, so they could sort ofjust have the camera almost right here and
we would be pretty identical from thissort of you know, sort of profile
and here. I feel like whenyou watch the movies, you're probably in
a fair bit because with the timealound, she we only had a film
for four hours, so there's probablya really no likely scenario where they used

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Emma back of her because she wasonly well, you two were only weld
set for a very small amount oftime. Yeah, And I think they
really tried to use us as muchas possible because for you know, Dan
Rup and Emma, it was a, you know, a really intense process
and I think anyway they could sortof relieve that and give them some breaks
and some times, and obviously forthem to do their schooling was really important.

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So I think wherever they could,they would try and try and use
us. I think some people havepointed it out, like in the first
three films are just like these bodypeople don't look the same like from behind
shots. Yeah, yeah, that'sprobably body doubles. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, there's some bits that's likethere's one bit in the third film,

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which again I think the times theyreally pushed it when using doubles is sort
of if somebody sick, because thatobviously happens. The shoots would last nine
months through the winter in the UKwhere colds are sort of you know everywhere,
And yeah, there's a few there'sa few times. I think one
time is Emma was unwell when wewere doing some of the chess scene in

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the first film, and I thinkthere's a few bits that I'm like,
oh, I think that's well,I know, that's definitely me And do
you know what probably not to anyoneelse, but I'm like, oh,
I think that's quite off. Andthen there's also a bit of the third
film where the Dementors come onto thetrain and the train sort of comes to
a stop, and then the camerasort of pulls out of the train and

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you sort of see outside the trainthat obviously gets all cold and dark because
the Dementors are coming, and that'salso me and I feel like, I
think it's really obvious. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, you can you
can really see it's me. I'mgonna we'll have to see if we can
find the scenes, so I'll sendthem. I'll see if I can find
them, and i'll send them toyou. I'll definitely find it, and

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we can see and we're making thatinto a snippet for everybody else you see,
Yeah, because I and I justbut I think it's just obvious.
You know, they it's all welfareand they've really cared about us, and
I think like there was never pushingyou to do anything if you unwell for
any of us, you know,saying with me, So yeah, I
think there's a few bits that theypush it, but there's such quick shots

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that unless you're going through it,or you know it's obviously noticed me.
I don't know if you would belike that's somebody else, but probably not,
because like I've watched the film somany times and like your brain doesn't
really like because they're so quick ofthe shots or you're just so missed in
the film you don't really notice untilyou're actually going through brain by frame.
Like I edit like all these videosand I start going through frame a frame

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and it's like, yeah, Ireckon that was flick. Yeah, well,
like he starts to know it's likelittle changes because they were filmed over
nine months, because like you're soyoung and you had the time constraints that
you do pick up like the trainscene Yeah who was who was talking about
that? I'd trying to remember,but like, yeah, that was a
filmed over six months, and youcan tell that you were growing up and

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like you're going back in time andeverything. Yeah yeah wow. So that's
basically what. So that's why theythat's why they had doubles. They have
other doubles for other things. ButI was Hermione's first unit double, and
so I would just work like handin hand with Emma getting stuff film just
to point out that if you're oversixteen, you can pretty much work all

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the hours under the sun. AndI think, like it's quite well documented
that adult actors who work on filmsfilm quite quickly. They can film an
hour and a half long film inthree months, but they work every single
day sort of all hours. It'snot uncommon in the film industry to get
films done in like even weeks.Yeah, so Harry Potter was a really

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long shoot. It was a reallyI don't think anything's being done like that
before, like in terms of howlong it took to film even I'm thinking,
like like the Law of the Ringsand stuff like that. They still
when they took like I think,well, maybe they do. I don't
really remember, maybe like sixteen weeks, no, check that. So they

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filmed all three Lord of the Ringsfilms back to back over two years,
which actually is pretty quick. HarryPotter was pretty much one film a year,
so we would sort of start filmingin the autumn and rapping in the
early summer. Well that's what itwas like for the first three. Obviously
I can't talk about the other ones, but I imagine they followed a pretty

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similar schedule. But I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know that.
My sister in law works in thefilm industry. She's a scenic artist,
and I think it depends if it'slike a if it's a huge Marvel
film with lots of special effects,like she just worked on like actually this
was last year, but like LittleMermaid and that was quite a long.

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I think it's because of all thesort of stuff they have to do afterwards,
but the actual shoot time is probablyquite small. Yeah, but yeah,
so that's that's why they they usedthey used my day would sort of
start at nine and I'd finish atseven. I would say, so you
had basically an eight hour a day, but you're only allowed to shoot for
four hours. Yeah, so therest of the time you'd obviously, I

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mean, I can talk you throughmy day if that might help with sort
of what it looks. So thatis one of the question. Well we'll
come back to that. We'll startsort of like, you know, um,
why so how did you get therole? Yeah? So I M
so I was in year six atschool. Sorry for people not UK,
I'm not sure what year that wouldbe, but just before you leaving,

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that would in middle school. Yeah, nine, turning ten. No,
I was ten. I was ten, and I just went to a drama
club, like a drama class whereyou do sort of It was in a
church hall and sort of just dolittle acting exercises and have a teacher and
do a bit of improv and stufflike that, and it was purely for
fun. It was just something likeI sort of enjoyed. And I went

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with a couple of friends. Andthe woman who ran it, her name
was Anna. She wasn't our dramateacher. We had a different teacher,
but she sort of just ran theorganization was called Anna's Management, and she
was an agent. And when mymum picked me up one day, she
just said, you know, ifFelicity was ever interested in going to auditions

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or doing anything slightly more, you'dget some pictures to me. I could
obviously always put her forward to auditions. And I've said this before, but
my family's never had anything to dowith sort of like the film industry or
anything like that, and you know, my brothers and sisters not really interested
in that at all. So mymum sort of just said, oh yeah,
fine, and went home and tooksome snaps with me in the garden,

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and then I think I went backnext week and just gave them to
Anna, and yeah. Then Ithink it was like in the August.
I'd actually just got back from summerholiday. She called saying they're making Harry
Potter into a film, which Ialready knew about Harry Potter. I'd sort
of read the first two books orfirst three books, it might have been.
I think it was first three booksbecause the fourth one came out right

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at the beginning of us filming thefirst film, and they're looking for a
double for Emma, which I reallyhad no idea what that meant, neither
did my mum. So Anna kindof explained it, and it was there
was just it was going to beabout twelve weeks and it was just to
help film things quickly. But again, sort of we sort of knew who
had been past as these parts.It had been in the news, and

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I mean, I don't think Ilooked anything like her, but we were
sort of okay. So this happenedstraight after like that first news, like
them announcing the trio. Um,I think it must have been, because
I'm not sure when they announced them, but this was in the August,
but they already would have passed theEmma, so they knew, yeah,
they definitely cut. Yeah, yeah, they'd cast them. But I don't

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know how long ago it had beenannounced, but we knew those parts had
been cast. It had been inthe British press. I've looked up and
they announced the cast on the twentyfirst of August, so it must have
been literally a week maybe less thanthat after they announced the cast that I
auditioned. So my mum just sortof said, yeah, that's you know,

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let's go and see what it's about. And luckily we lived sort of
twenty minutes from Leaveston Studio. It'sjust happened to be. I don't know.
I don't think that played a factorin it, because I know other
doubles, you know, came frommiles away and they would just stay in
a hotel when filming. I thinkit was just lucky for me that I
lived really near. So we wentdown to Leaveston Studios and yeah, we

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were there and sort of went intocanteen and just waited, and then they
took us on to a set wherethere was Chris Columbus, David Hayman,
and John Seal. And actually,now since I've interviewed R. J Mino,
who was a production manager. Hewas there as well, but I
don't really I don't really remember,because I mean I was ten and I
was just like, what is goingon? And then they had this little

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set set up, but it wasjust like a portion of like a living
room. It almost looked like Idon't remember it as anything specific from Harry
Potter, Like I don't remember itbeing like the Dursleys or anything like that.
It was just this sort of backdrop, and I think they just wanted
to look at us through the cameralens just to see what it looked like
obviously to the naked eye, butthey also wanted to look through the camera

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lens. So John Seals was obviouslyon the camera, and then David Haymon
and Chris Chris Clumbus with there aswell. So they first stood me next
to Emma. I think there wasthree other girls there as well, So
they just stood us next to Emma, and then they sort of like took
us out one by one and thenjust put us like one on one with
Emma. So I just stood nextto her, and then they were just
sort of like a face turned tothe right, turned to the left,

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turned around the other way, sowe're like facing the back and they're like
okay, great, and then theybrought in like Dan and Ruper and we're
like, okay, can you justlike stand in a line up with them
just to see how I looked heightwise with them, which, like I
said, like Emma and I weresort of exactly the same height, like
really similar build that sort of thing. Yeah, And I remember just like

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I don't really I don't remember much, and I don't remember really thinking like
too much about them being sort oflike the guys that were playing a Harry
and Ron and Hermione, because Ithink we were just all sort of ten
eleven year old children and just sortof a bit like oh hello, yes
sort of, and you know,filming hadn't really started, so I think
everyone was sort of relatively new,So I think we just had like a

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little bit of chat. A lotof you guys would be your first time
over filming as well. Yeah,yeah, yeah, definitely. I think
it was a lot of it wasvery new. You know, they didn't
really make much comment about it.They were just like yep, yep,
yep. So I had no idea. I was like, oh, I
don't know if this is a goodthing or a bad thing. Then they
just took us over to sort ofthere was some women there from hair Ethlennel

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and wardrobe person I can't remember thename of the wardrobe pattern, and they
just again took some measurements and lookedthrough like just touching my hair and looking
at my hair seeing how they couldmake it, which obviously, at ten
years old, my hair you know, it's blonde now, but it wasn't.
It was more sort of a similarcolor to what hermione's is. It's

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sort of a light brown. Andthey're like yeah, yeah, yeah,
fine, and again sort of likeno. There was still like four of
us girls kind of like okay,and then we went just back to the
canteen and that was probably about anhour an hour a lot of us sort
of meeting people and then just talkingto us. So I went back to
canteen and my mum was like,well, what are you thinking? I

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said, absolutely, no idea,I don't. They haven't said anything to
me like yeah, that's great,this looks really good. They were just
kind of all nodding and m andthen Chris Carreis came to meet my mum,
who was the first assistant director wasjust kind of like, yeah,
we'd love Flick to come on board. You know, it's going to be

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about twelve weeks. I needed toget my filming license, which means I
needed to have a medical and Ineeded to have my school give me permission
to have the time off. Yeah, and here's a contract and just go
over it with your agent, andI guess like my agent sort of did
the like took over the legalities ofthat, and we'll be in contact.

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So again we were just like alot, We're just sort of like,
oh, okay, and we leftand signed the contract, went through that.
It was all great. I gotmy medical was obviously fine. My
school were a little bit weird,you know. They kind of saw that
it was a great opportunity, butthey'd never had anyone in my school doing
anything like this, and I hadsort of like our borough was like I

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lived in Barnett, Like Barnett Councilhad to sort of sign it off,
and they were a little bit sortof like, ok that, you know,
this is a great opportunity. Butactually later down the line, when
I'd been away from school for quitea while, they did they weren't one
hundred percent sure they were going tosay I could continue having time off school,

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but then my dad just got incontact and was like, you know,
this is the most incredible opportunity forhow it would be really really sad
if it was stopped now and takenaway, And they did say yeah,
because I think it went from mejust having twelve weeks of school to pretty
much not going to school for overthree years pretty much here and there I
went back a little bit. Wasthat strange going back and forth. It

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was only when I moved to schoolbecause obviously I was in the final year
or sort of junior school, andthen I went secondary school and I just
wasn't there, and that's a bitweird, and it's sort of like people
at the school sort of know thereis a girl in Harry Potter at the
moment, and because obviously the firstone had come out by the time with
second school, so you know,it was even you know, obviously it

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was huge with the book, butthe film was now like a big thing
that everyone had seen, and obviouslyit was like the age of secondary school
students, especially around my age.You know, definitely people who were watching
Harry Potter and loving Harry pot eventhough saying that's stupid because I feel like
people of all ages love Harry Potterand went to see it and love it.
But so I feel like maybe Iwas a little bit nervous coming backwards

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and forwards from school, but actually, on the whole, most people were
nice. There's obviously a few peoplethat maybe a little bit jealous when you're
doing something like that, but onthe whole, people were nice, and
I had good I made good friendsthat are still my friends now. Who
know who actually just didn't care aboutHarry Potter since during the podcast my friends
say to me like, it's soweird, like we've never asked you about

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that. I'm just all these thingsyou did and we just never speak about
it. I'm like, yeah,that's like my whole previous lot, like
before sort of I guess, andbeing my friends this whole other life they
don't know about and really just don'tcare, you know. I wouldn't say
any of my friends are particularly likehuge Harry Potter fans, but they're they
listened to the podcast, they lovethe podcast because you know, that's good.
That's good. I feel like I'mmaking my friends sound really mean there,

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because actually a lot of them reallylove Harry Potter. They love the
films, love the books. Butwhat I sort of meant to say is
I don't think it's something they reallyassociate with me, as you know,
like my best friends now from school, I didn't really become friends with until
I was back at school full time, and by that time I had finished
filming, so they don't really knowmuch about that part of my life apart

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from what I've spoken about. Sorry, I got complete distracts from this.
Yeah, So and that was it, and then actually we didn't hear anything
for ages and then just sort ofin September they just called saying, so
we're all going up to Whitby andNewcastle and basically the flights at like six
am in two days time or so. It was something ridiculous like that.

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So my Mum's like, get inthe car, we need to go to
the shopping center to get someone likewarm clothes and you know, sort of
get you sorted for going away before. I think I was away for sort
of five weeks before coming back toLeavesdon and filming, So that was quite
funny as well that I'm sort ofthinking about, is this going to happen.
I sort sort of scared telling peoplebecause I was thinking, well,

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they said I'm doing it, butI don't know, for example, her
and then sort of my agent waslike yeah, yeah, like Anna,
she was like yeah, yeah,noa it signed. This is sort of
how it goes. But I thinknow since speaking to people on the podcast,
it's because they weren't one hundred percentsure. But then the sets weren't
ready at leastons They were like,right, we got to go on location
because we need to give ourselves likefive weeks to finish up the stuff going

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on at Leavesdon. So that's whywe went on location. I think that's
sort of sort of what I've learntsince that's probably right, Like a lot
of films do locations for it justto give the set people more time.
Yeah, but but when you're whenyou're a filming, you just have no
I like, especially as a child, I've had no idea for any of
them. I just was told whatto do and we would just do it.
Apart from my knowledge deeper than that. Well, we'll come back to

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going away on your birth couple dateslike on set or circle back to what
was like the costume and hair fittings, Like, I'm guessing you got fitted
for all the Harmione stuff. Yeah, so they just take your They just
would do one sort of measurement taking, then get the sort of costumes ready
and then I'll just have like afinal fitting where they put them in,
put me in them, and justcheck that it's all all fits okay.

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You know, Harmione has a reallywild dress sense in the first film that
I was thinking, this is areally bizarre that a ten year old go
I would wear this, But Ithink it's just because it's meant to be
timeless, and it was just aclassic sort of I guess, like a
romantic sized version of what a Britishgirl would be wearing at a boarding all

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over the Christmas break sort of vibebecause it was sort of like a kilt
and like a Nitta jumper and kneehigh socks and little pumps and then they
sort of just I think around Iguess mainly the third film they were like,
no, do you know what thisis a girl who's active. She's
wearing Like in my interview with Lauren, he said this, you know,
she's wearing jeans, she's wearing hoodies. You know, because she's out there

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like fighting alongside Harry and Ron andshe you know her, she wasn't doing
it in a kilt, so theywere like, yeah, let's get her
in. But I guess there isa nice change of when she first went
to boarding school to where she istwo years later. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds quite nice. When Igot to wear like jeans and stuff like
that didn't feel a bit magical likeputting on like the robes and you had
the wig on and everything. Doyou know what, Yeah, people should

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know that you actually wore a wig. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
it was like a hair. Yeah, it was like a hair. It
would go in like a hairpiece,like a weave sort of thing, so
it would be like my natural hairon top and then like a big bit
to make it like huge because Hermione'shair. Again, like the first film,
we go on a journey with Minie'shair from like the first film to
when when you know she finishes,they sort of tame it and make it.

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But you know, I think that'salso just actually probably really accurate of
what life would be like. Idon't know definitely for me that when I
was in year seven at school,my mom was probably helping me like shop
for clothes. My hair was veryyou know, I wasn't using like straighteners,
make up anything like that, SoI think it actually I'm being quite
cruel, and it's probably a naturalprogression that I guess when she's when it's

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in the third film, she's inyear nine, and I know in year
nine I probably found like straighteners andwas styling my hair a bit more and
was shopping from my own clothes andthat sort of thing. So I think
I'm being a bit mean, AndI actually think the Hermione progression is probably
quite realistic to what girls are doingage ten to fourteen. But yeah,
it's such a weird one. LikeI guess I'm not saying it wasn't great

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wearing the robes, but like theyweren't. I don't know how to explain
it, Like they're so iconic now, but when you first put them on,
they're not because you're just like,no, no, you're not.
It's like, okay, it's ahotwarts uniform, but and you've got the
ties and stuff like that, butyou're kind of just like, okay,
this is just what the uniform is. It's just like a she had like

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a gray s actually changed. Theuniform changes for the second film. The
third film, the ties change,but the rest days the same. I
guess the cloak was probably the pleatedskirt and the jumper. It is like
what I wore for school uniform anda tie like her school uniform was exactly
what I wore to school uniform.So I think the cloak was probably the
magical element because of the school.I'd wear a blazer like in the UK

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normally secondary school as you wear ablazer over your uniform, but having a
cloak was quite what was quite cool. And all of them had like a
little wand pocket inside, so areally thin narrow pocket for your wand which
was quite cool. And you know, there to be fair, the costumes
were all like the beautiful, likeeverything was like all the badgers were embroidered

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and just like so beautiful. Thecolors are amazing, like the uniforms were
beautifully made and stunning. But Iguess just like it just becomes your everyday
life that it's really hard because Idon't want to sound ungrateful, but I
don't think there was many times thatI was sort of like, oh my

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gosh, this is so magical andamazing because it was just my life and
they just made it like that,like because nobody's there going, oh my
god, this is amazing because weall hear every single day doing the same
thing. I think like, sincestepping away from it and now watching it,
I'm like, oh my gosh,that's amazing that I was there and
I did that, and I sawthat, and I know that person and
this and that, and I gotto wear the uniform. And I always

(25:40):
say like, it's basically like Iwent to hogwats and now I'm like,
that's amazing and what an opportunity.But it's really hard to say I felt
like that in the moment, becauseeven if you have the most incredible job
in the world, you still it'sjust like your job. But you know
what I mean, And the costumesbecome like your school uniform. Yeah,
yeah, exactly, and you're init every day, and you know,

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it was nice of mine. Hemoved from like the knee high socks to
tights in the third film, whichwas quite nice. I kind of enjoyed
the tights more than the knee highsocks. They'd always just like fall down
and be like it just gets abit more comfy but yeah, but it
was cool. Do you have afavorite costume? I think I really love
the jeans, salmon pink long sleevedt shirts, salmon pink hoody, rainbow

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belt. I think that was thetop hermione he look, yeah, I'd
quite like that. Ah, thereanything else that I really enjoyed wearing.
I loved also that she when sheturns into a cat, there's obviously the
bit beforehand and after before she turnsinto the cat that she's just wearing Milicent
Wallstrodes Slytherin clothes. Yes, thatwas quite fun that I was like,

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oh, look, I'm wearing Slytherinrobes today, and that was quite fun.
We will circle back around to thecat and saying because iconic, but
well continue, So what was likeyour first day on set? Like,
do you know what it's really had? You up in Scotland right now?
And Whitby Whitby So yeah, solike in the northeast of England. Yeah,

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so we were filming in Oh isit Ghostland? I want to say
Gotland? Yeah, I believe it'sGothland. Yeah, we're doing the station.
Yeah, and I can't remember whetherwas it a night shoot. It
might have been No, So youstarted off with a day shoot. Was

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it a day off for anybody who'swandering. I've gone through all the cool
shoots, so a day shoot.Then did it go to a night shoot?
Then you went into night shoots.So he started off with the day
shoot and you did all the daytrain stuff, so it arriving and leaving,
and then you did and that's whereyou everybody saw Haggard for the first
time. Yeah, and then youcame back and did the night Yeah.

(28:00):
Oh my gosh. Okay, SoI remember it being taking a really long
time to do my hair the firsttime I have my hair done, just
because it's kind of hard because firstof all, they're doing Emma's hair.
Then they just have to get myhair exactly the same as Emma's, so
that's quite hard. And I alsothink they were trying to decide kind of

(28:22):
how they wanted to mine He's hairto be as they're so that on top
of sort of doing Emma's doing mine, they're maybe changing Emma's a little bit
then having to change mine. ButI can't, like, I remember doing
the because we filmed the last scenefirst, the last scene in the film,
that's the first scene we filmed,yes, but yeah, you did

(28:45):
the day shoot first then yeah,yeah, And I remember going on to
set, but I don't remember.I remember that being like loads and loads
of people there, like crew,but also obviously like loads of other children
as well, which was quite fun. And I just remember Chris Columbus was
really good with us and really tookthe time to explain like everything that we're

(29:07):
doing and why we do it justas as simple as like you know,
they'd say, um, there'd belike a list of sort of things that
would be said before we start filming. You know, the runners would be
making sure it's like quiet on setsand they'll be like check the sound check.
There were rolling and action and Iknow that sounds ridiculous, but you

(29:27):
don't know. You're like, what'sthe chain of commands? When do we
start? Like what do we do? Where do we go? Like who
are we looking at? What's AndI think you just and sometimes directors have
like the first aid dasis action forthe extras, but you're actually listening for
the directors to say action yeah,I think and stuff like that. So
um, but you actually pick itup pretty quick. It's not I'm not

(29:51):
saying it's anything differ. I'm notsaying that's like difficult to understand, but
I think it's just overwhelming because you'reso oh yeah, it's very intimidating.
Yeah, and you are kind oflike performing as well, which is also
like, um, you know,I'm not saying obviously I wasn't Emma,
but I couldn't just stand there andnot do anything. Like there was you

(30:11):
know, direction in it, andI'm you know, if somebody's talking to
you, even if it's the backof your head, you've got to give
them something back, you know,you have to be like especially at the
end when they're saying goodbye. They'vejust had this like first year at Hogwarts.
You know, Hermione's you know,sympathetic to Harry. You know that
he has found his home here.You know. So you're kind of ten

(30:32):
years old performing. There's about onehundred people watching you. There's also a
hundred other children watching you who werealso like, who's this because this isn't
Hermione so and but and also thefact that they're like, we're going to
also do this like sometimes six seven, eight times, and it's not necessarily
that you're doing anything wrong. Soit's just got to get the coverage looking

(30:55):
for something. Yeah, exactly.But they're really good and they were really
good to my mum. See,my mum was there with me as well,
and I feel like for her,I'm like her ten year old,
and you know, I think thatshe was right there, Like my mum
would be like right there with meor but maybe not like right behind the
camera, but she would be thereif I if I ever wanted her for
anything. Everyone's coming over to youa million times checking you're okay. Also,
between like every take, they're comingto like red so they'll like cut.

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There's someone coming in to like justtease your hair back because you might
have liked just put a bit behindyour head and it actually it needs to
be there. So take the polaroidsof like absolutely everything, and they'd have
like a big keychain with the polaroids. They'd be looking. They'd be like,
I came, no, Hermione's hairwas like actually over this way or
like to the side or behind herear or something. They'd also just do
like a bit of touch up ofmakeup a lot for a ten year old

(31:41):
to take him. Yeah, yeah, but then it just became but again,
like you're just doing it every dayand it just becomes like and everyone
was really nice, Like there wasnever a time that like we were ever
in trouble or ever, you know, told you're not doing that, you
need to do this, or whatever. And I think like they were really
paced with us, because there wouldbe times that we'd get like that,

(32:02):
like you just wouldn't be able tostop laughing, and I think as a
charge just would all be a bithysterical. Yeah, there was times like
that, but I don't remember anyoneever being anything but sort of like laughing
with us and sort of everyone justbeing involved in a I just remembering like
there's I don't know what it was, but it was about like inside Hagrid's
heart would be like where we wouldget most hysterical. And I always remember

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just being like the laughing and it'salmost like when you know you're not allowed
to laugh, the laughing is worse. And I always remember just I don't
know what it was about Haggard's heartthat it would just set us all off
and would always be like, Idon't know, I don't know what it
was. I actually I'm not tryingto like not tell you something, but
it was just something about Hagrid's heartthat we were all in there would be

(32:43):
really hysterical. But I don't knowwhy, but yeah, that's kind of
But I can't say I remember likeexactly exactly like the first day of filming,
but I remember like the first fewdays that it was that sort of
like, oh my gosh, thisis this is a bit a bit insane,
a bit mad. So you sothe first couple of weeks, I've
got that you're like on location fora lot of it, so around the

(33:06):
countrysides of England. Yeah, sowe were in with me filming that and
then only for a few days,and then we went over to Newcastle to
film at Annika Castle, Yeah,Alick Castle, which was all sort of
the outside bit of like the quickyou know, where they first learned to
fly and Nevill's remember all that wholethat whole bit. And you know what,

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I actually think like being on locationthe first few weeks probably really helped
because you all are together twenty fourseven because you're all in the hotels together,
you're on set together, so you'reeating even like your evening meal together
back at the hotel, and Ifeel like that probably bonded us quite quickly.

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And because it was that quidditch scene, because a lot of the locations,
it would just sort of be likeHarry Ron Hermione, maybe a few
other people. But because of thatquidditch see if you watch it, basically
a lot of the children are init, you know, sort of Dean
Thomas, Jamus Finnegan, Neville.You know that there's a lot of people
in that scene. So a lotof the children were there with their doubles,
so we'd all be together. AndI think that was obviously like Draco

(34:14):
crab Well that sort of thing.Yeah, And I think that was good
to know each other because obviously whenwe turned up. I remember being at
the airport and it was like,well, who is everyone who's playing?
Who? No one knew? Yeah, it would be like that, especially
just on the first film. Hejust like you have no idea, yeah,
be like oh that I guess asa ten year old, just make
friends with everybody. Yeah. Really, it was just like a school trip.

(34:37):
Like everyone's ten, eleven, twelveand there with their chaperone, which
is maybe their mum. I thinka few people had sort of other chaperones
that sort of provided to them iftheir parents couldn't come. Did anybody share
chaperones or was everybody who provided one? By result, everyone has to have
one. Yeah wow yeah, wellif you think about like just thinking about

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how many chappherds were, how manydoubles just to make cast like that's that's
a big crew. Yeah. Wellwhen we flew up to news, like
up to Newcastle and they just tiredof flight, they just want it called
like chartered a flight and the wholeflight was just people work on Harry Potter.
And I'm sure that wasn't just thatthat was everyone. I'm sure there
was more, but that's how manypeople originally went up as a whole proper

(35:23):
flight full of people, and theywere just like yeah, everyone here.
I mean the stewards also be likeoh okay, like these are all the
who again, like who's who's who? Like all these is a weird mix
of like children, crew moms likeyeah what are they doing? Yeah?
Like who's the person that person?Well, let's talk about your um what

(35:47):
you did it every day? Likeyour general day at work. Yeah.
So I get in for I thinkabout nine and I mean the day is
I mean it's a dream day becauseI think the first thing we do is
go and get breakfast, which Iknow, I don't know why, Like
we didn't just have breakfast at home, but nobody did. We'd all just
go and have breakfast. Why wouldyou when someone cames at point I know,

(36:09):
I know, so go down tocanteen, which is quite a nice
day way to start your day.You know, everyone would just eat together
and like so from people. You'dsort of go like me and my mum
would just show up and people wouldalready be there and would sort of you
know, it wasn't like a sitdown thing. It would be like you
grab your food and sit it.Every month. I remember some of the
other people you interviewed said how thecanteen was very much like it was never

(36:30):
like segregated into like these are themain people. The main people like ate
in their trailers. Like everybody atewith everybody, and like you would have
yeah, like a third ad eatingwith like Alan Rickman. Oh yeah,
yeah, absolutely very much. Everybodywas there. Yeah yeah, yeah,
everyone would eat in the canteen.Everyone would sort of que up for their

(36:51):
food, get their food. Ithink like there's obviously occasions where if you're
super busy, yeah, they'd likesort your food out for you. You
might eat in your life, Likeif I was to say it was the
day they're just doing loads of harmionystuff that they didn't really need a emmaphore,
and maybe they were just like,we'll take this opportunity for her to
do like get a load of schoolingdone, and they're just going to use

(37:12):
me. They would say like,what do you want for lunch? And
then I'll probably eat in my dressingroom on my own with my mum.
But that's purely just because I waslike a child and it's just tiring and
it's you know, they would justbe like, it's good to just have
some downtime, which is which istotally true, and you did be that,
like as much you're with everyone,it is important that you have time

(37:34):
to just sit on your own.You don't have can't as a child.
You can't constantly be switched on workingfrom nine till seven. It will just
you know, you m school ontop of that. Yeah. Yeah,
So I feel like there was atimes in that would obviously be the same
for anyone who was sort of doinga big day. And obviously you could
also you could always request like Iwis want to eat in my dressing room.
They'll be like, yeah, fine, but most people love the canteen

(37:54):
and love that social side of it, so yeah, you'd come in and
have breakfast. Then I'd go upto they'd probably say to me like,
oh, you need to be inhair and makeup at like nine twenty or
something, because we couldn't all justturn up because obviously there was only like
a hairdresser who did I had ahairdresser who did me. I wouldn't just
go to like anybody. And shemight be doing Emma at nine, so
she wouldn't be doing it me atnine, or she might be doing Emir

(38:16):
at like ten, so she'd needme in for nine twenty. So they'd
sort of tell you what time youneed to be in hair and makeup.
And with hair and makeup, youobviously would need to have your at least
the top part of your costume onfirst, because you don't want to give
your hair and makeup and then puta jumper over. They're not happy about
that. So I'd go down,have breakfast, go up, get my
costume on, go to hair andmakeup, have my hair and makeup done,

(38:37):
and then they would either say you'regoing to set or you're going to
school. And then that's kind ofhow the day would go that the runners
on whether there's like there's a setof runners sort of up in the dressing
rooms and the schooling that the canteenwas, there's another set of run is
like on set, and they wouldjust communicate between them, and then they
would just communicate to us, likeyou're going into school. They might say,

(39:00):
like, but you're in an hour, you're going to be going down
to set. But like normally itwould just be like they'll just come and
get you when you're needed, andlike sometimes but that would all be in
school and you can hit because therunners all have like mics. They have
their mics on. You would heara runner coming because you'd hear their mic,
and they'll be coming down the corridorto the schooling rooms and you'd be
like, please let it be me, because if you're doing something a bit

(39:22):
boring, you'd be like, pleaselet it be me. Okay, I've
said Mike Kid, But what Imeant to say is they have like walkie
talkie radios and that's how they wouldcommunicate between the set and the base.
That's one thing that never changed,Like everyone wants to be on set filming.
Nobody wants to be like anywhere else. Even like if it's like course
to seven and you're going home atseven, you're still like absolutely buzzing if

(39:45):
you get called down to set.And that was like the same for everyone.
But yeah, you'd hear them coming, it'd be like please, please,
please say they need me, andthey'll be like not gonna be like
okay, can this person come?We're going dad set, And if it
wasn't, you be like ah.But sometimes it when were you like you

(40:05):
need to talk us to what wasschool? I concert? That's that's a
unique experience. Yeah, so theyhad like a long they had like two
floors of dressing rooms like top floor, bottom floor, and then on the
bottom floor at the end was sortof like three two rooms, and then
at the other end there was twoclassrooms as well, so it was like

(40:27):
two classrooms on either end, andthen the middle floor was all our dressing
rooms. And yeah, we wouldlike we had at a timetable the same
as you were at school that wouldjust tell me what I'm doing, where
I'm going. It was like amaths, English and science cheeter who obviously
did other things like they did likehistory, art and that sort of they
would say were all that's how theywere sort of like separated, but they

(40:49):
would obviously do the other subjects.So I was doing every subject that I
would be doing at school. Yeah, and you'd just go in, you'd
have like your books. It wouldjust be and you would just like because
actually, how you sort of imaginea tutor to be. I guess so
your school gave you work to do? Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah,
my school would provide the curriculum.I don't think it was like loads
of detail. I think it wasjust like, this is what we're learning,

(41:13):
and then the tutors would sort ofjust go through it with you.
A lot of the times it wouldjust be me one on one because a
lot of the time it's just HarryRon Hermione in and in that case they
would probably separate us out so thatwe were But by the way, like
Dan, Rupert and Emma had oneon one tutoring the whole time, they
had one tutor who did everything withthem. They didn't come into our classes,

(41:34):
but everyone else was in the restof the tutoring. So yeah,
like so a lot of the time, it's obviously like Harry Ron Hermione and
their doubles, and then we wouldprobably be separated out so it would be
like one on one, and sometimesthey put us together because also it's like
not great to just be like oneon one tutoring like the whole time.
But that definitely was fun when likemore people were in because it would feel
more like a classroom because they'd belike saw four or five of you maybe

(41:57):
yeah, and we'd just do like, yes, we just worked through our
work, would have breaks as youwould, and again, like they had
that checklist they would just check andI mean you you had to do three
hours schooling minimum, but they wouldtry and get you to sort of do
sort of four four or maybe fivehours, like if you're having a slow
day on set, but if you'rejust like not on set that much,

(42:20):
I guess you'd do more like twohours in the morning, two three hours
in the morning, maybe like anothertwo hours in the afternoon, but you'd
kind of be finished schooling by likeyou didn't do schooling after five. That
was like definitely, yeah, therewas like you wouldn't be like sat in
school at half past seven, likeat half past six, waiting to go
home at seven. At five,the tutors would be done, so you

(42:43):
just got to make sure you getyour three hours in before five. Wow.
Yeah, it's something that a lotof people don't really think about when
there's children on sits like yes,so thanks, still going at school.
Yeah, and they'd come on locationwith us and would be a little Porter
cabins again they're just yeah, yeah, they'd come everywhere with us. They
were right. The tutors are amazing. I remember Peter, Jane, Lena,

(43:04):
Janet. They were just like thebest, the best, because it's
a really hard job to do,Like they're teaching in one class, children
of all different ages, doing alldifferent things, and they always like managed
to make it fun, you know. I made it like enjoyable. It
was nice being in school and theywere all like just so passionate about like
making sure we were learning. Theywere great. I'd actually like love to

(43:27):
speak to it like Jane was probablyI don't know, I really loved I
really loved Peter. It would bevery interesting if we couldn't speak to one
of them. I know Jane andreally and Lena, I really really know.
There was what Ken Ken, Ohmy gosh, Ken, the mass
tutor was like strict. I meanhe was so like now thinking about it,
he was like so lovely, buthe was like the most strict one

(43:51):
and he'd like, I remember,we were obsessed with playing this game.
Would sit in a circle. Itwould be like you hold you will have
numbers and you have to hold themU up and then it would be like
plus and then you had some personwould hold up that number. Then you'd
have to like add that number oneyou said, and we'd us to play
as game and we really loved it. But yeah, Ken, oh my

(44:12):
gosh, I cannot wait to saythese names to my mum see if she
remembers them, but she, Imean she will, but yeah, anyway,
we should try and get at leastone of them on because it would
be interesting to hear this side ofthings as well. Yeah, I can't
remember their surnames. I'm like,I'll try, I'll try. I know
somewhere Janet was hit, do youknow what I know? Sarah McKenna,
actually I think she did have Janetnumber. She was like head so she

(44:34):
didn't actually choose rush, but shewas like head of the schooling. She
was like head shooter. She wouldbe quite cool to get on Actually yeah,
okay, just after the scutting futurepeople. Yes, sorry, okay,
um, what did you do after? Like when you're on location,
you didn't get to go home?What would you do after your whole day?

(44:55):
Um, so would go back tothe hotel. And we really loved
swimming, so we'd do if theif the hotel had a pool, would
probably go swimming. I think we'dhave we might go back and have dinner
straight away. Actually, because it'sprobably about like seven thirty, Like all
the hotels were like super close towherever we were filming, but it's worry

(45:19):
about seven thirty, have dinner andthen yeah, if we could, we'd
go swimming if there was time andit wasn't too late, and then yeah,
you'd go back and just you know, obviously on weekends and stuff,
we'd more like go out for adinner maybe to like a pub or something
that was in the area. Andweekends obviously when we weren't filming during the

(45:40):
day, we would you go shoppingin the town or go to the cinema.
We'd paid like laser quest, we'ddo bowling, just like normal things
that kids like, well you know, people like. So there's always like
a big group of you doing somethingor like a group of you yeah,
yeah, yeah, definitely, likeyeah, yeah, we'd mostly do stuff

(46:01):
to get like definitely the doubles,say, like the people that I doubled
with, the Harry and Ron double, we would do. Yeah, we'd
always go for dinner and stand likethe chaperones because my mum was like friends
with their chaperones, so we woulddo that. And you know, Emma
would actually come with us quite alot. She was always up for like
going for dinner and playing gay likegoing doing bowling or whatever. It was.

(46:27):
Yeah, Dan and Rupert, likeDan not so much. I think
Rupert did as well actually, butlike Dan not say much, but I
think like and even sort of theswimming after like filming, he would come
sometimes, but not a lot.But I think that's just because it was
such an intense process to him.It was like really important he had downtime

(46:50):
like now at the time, Ithink now, but like now looking back
as an adult, I think probablyit was really important, like and not
that it wasn't for Rupert and Emmaas well, who obviously had really you
know, it was a really fullon job job for them. But I
think like the level of responsibility onDan's shoulders was probably the most. You
know, he really wanted to carrythe film. I don't know if that

(47:13):
sounds bad, but I think therewas just a lot of pressure on whoever
was playing Harry Potter to really betrue to like the character that everyone loved.
Do you would have been filming likeevery day as well? Yeah?
Yeah, And I think like sohe not so much. And then also
just like I think at once thefirst film came out, logistically it was
just hard for them as well,you know, everyone knew. Yeah,

(47:36):
and actually, like even though likewe did come out, I don't really
remember, Like I guess we justlike went to places that weren't crazily busy.
I don't really remember like them everbeing like when being out with like
Rupert and Emma, like them beingapproached or like asked the Ord Grapple picture
or anything. But I don't knowif that's just because like we were just

(48:00):
like protected from that in a bubblethat people weren't able to approach. I'm
not sure. I can't really remember, but I don't really remember that.
Like I felt like we'd go,like I said, we'd go to pubs
and but when we were in Scotland, Like, Scotland was the main location
that I remember. It was probablymy best time film. And we went
to Scotland for about six weeks Ithink it was, and we went to
this tiny little it was like,I love blenco As, this hotel we

(48:22):
stayed in and which I really wantto go back to. I really really
want to go back. I'm goingto try and force my husband to go,
just because I feel like you'll bringback so many memories. It was
like this tiny town we all stayedin, this hotel was beautiful right on
the lock, really really lovely,and we got really into fishing weirdly,
not weirdly, actually, you know, my husband loves fishing, but we

(48:44):
just became really obsessed with fishing.And it was just like such a small
town that even if we went tothe fishing shop, like we'd just like
bumped into the owner hood, butlike it's unlocked, just go and get
what you need. You'd just likeleave the cash there. It was like
very so I feel like they justsort of like knew people were here filming
Harry Potter. They knew that,and you were kind of just like left
our own devices because when we wentto like the pubs and stuff for dinner.
There's probably one pub actually thinking aboutit that we'd go to, or

(49:06):
like the shop. I just feellike we were just like, let like
pretty much left the people were reallyexcited that we were there, but like
just left alone. Really. Idon't really remember ever. Yeah, that
ever being a thing. Yeah,it's amazing what you remember what you don't
like. Probably people would if theylisten to this that were like on the
film, will be like you're completelywrong. It was a logistical nightmare and

(49:27):
it was hard trying to keep youguys not like surrounded by press or whatever
or journalists or you know. Ionly remember walking in Oxford. I think
thee no the first film walking withmy dad in Oxford and a report coming
up and just putting it like alittle dictaphone like you know, your records
like Ordia, what interview on andjust asking me a question. But very

(49:52):
quickly someone came everyone was like gowait. I was like, yeah,
I have heard they did shelter,well not shelter but really protected you guys.
Yeah, because yeah, like itwas a frenzy. It was what's
the biggest British film at the presenttime, like, yeah, they they
did do a lot to protect youguys. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

(50:15):
well you can see they did agood job, because I was like,
totally, that's the only time Iever remember being like approached by somebody
to say. I think they asked, and I think they asked something that
I was like, huh. Ithink they're like, what's it like to
go to school with dragons? AndI was thinking, what are you talking
about? Yes, you know thatdragon that's just up the road there,
because I think it was the firstfilm, and I'm like, mmmm,
but I think maybe the fourth bookhad just come out, and obviously there's

(50:37):
the dragons there, so maybe therewas like some crossover. But I remember
being like, I can't even askedthe question because that's not what happens in
the first film. I'm probably thinkingthat in my head, well that was
a little Norbous, so maybe thatwas it. Yeah, yeah, maybe
it's Norbou they're talking about. Yea, Um, well, let's let's continue
going. Um. So you workeda lot with the SEC, need it

(51:00):
correct? No, there was anothergirl who worked on the second unit on
the first film as a girl calledLaila. Maybe the first and second film
was Layla, sorry, this isso bad, so you honestly think you
want to never forget these things.And then there was on the third film
a girl called Claire and a girlcalled b I think, yeah, there

(51:25):
are so many people on that.I know, I'm just like trying to
remember. But and they did thesecond unit stuff. I did the first
unit stuff, but sometimes they'd takeme on the second JUnit if it was
something specific they wanted doing. Interesting. Yeah, because you did talk about
times that you did work with thesecond unit director. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, very interesting times doing secondunit stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(51:51):
I would sometimes do second juno stuff. They're just I don't they just
say to me, or you're workingon second unit today, and we would
just be But that was not thatcomment. They had a good print girl
doing that. Ah, I didn'tknow that. Yeah, So I was
mainly with the first unit, butsecond unit stuff was fun. Like second
unit. If your second JUnit doubleyou get, you work like a lot

(52:14):
because it's not really like the principalcarts don't really work on the second JUnit.
They can do, but they don'treally, but they're basically doing pickups
of what's been filmed on the firstunit. So it might be like they're
watching something back or like I thinkwhen I speak to them, editor Richard
Francis Bruce, he says this.He might be editing something and say,
do you know what, I needa close up of this, or I

(52:35):
need this, or we're missing thisor whatever. The second unit can go
back and pick up all that stuff. They do little pickups, so it's
like a pro and look on likeit's great because you're busy if you're a
double on the second unit. ButI would say I really loved being the
first unit double because you were likeright there every scene, all the sets,

(52:58):
the bit. It was like thebig sh all the big stuff,
and that's kind of what I wantedto be involved in. More like second
unit would be like they do,like I've said this before, like a
lot. They might be like Hamionejust like scanning library books and stuff like
that. Yeah, they are workingI think normally two days behind you guys.
Yeah, so when you guys feellike the great horse thing you'll see
on the call sheet, second unitcame in like a day or two later.

(53:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah to do allthe hit ups. So like yeah,
no I supports yeah yeah, soand I kind of us like loved
being in like the bit, likenot the big scenes. Obviously they did
do that stuff, but I justkind of loved working with like the first
unit. Yeah, because I thinkthe second unit did some of the quidditch
things. Yeah. Yeah, Imean I think actually, since they had
a lot of units, so Ithink they even had like a specific quidditch

(53:43):
unit at the end. I thinkthey had a faird unit at one point
doing like location stuff. Yeah.Yeah, there was like a lot of
units, but no, I workedmainly with the first main unit, first
unit. Yeah. Um, soof course you're one of your favorite scenes
is the cat scene. Do wewant to talk about that first or talk

(54:05):
about some other favorite scenes? Wecan talk about the cat scene. Yeah,
the cat scene. So give everybodya background because everybody might not know
what we're talking about. Yeah,yeah, yeah, the cat scene the
second film, Hermione obviously turns intoa cat because it's a cat hair.
She pulls off Millicent Ballstrode's robe andputs in the poly juice patient. So

(54:27):
that was sort of like a prostheticmask and it's ky along so short.
Emma had a slight reaction to thespirit glue. They used to stick the
mask on, so they just askedme whether I would do it. Like
I said, I think we hada very similar shaped face and the fact
that the mask covered it all.They were like, we can get away
with using flick. So yeah,So I worked with creature effects and had

(54:52):
the masks sort of created on myface to turn Hermione into cat and then
I think it was two days thatI I filmed that scene. So that
bit in the film is me thatthat's probably one of the coolest things I've
life to work with you. It'slike, oh my god, you were
actually yeah. But yeah, forpeople who wanted to learn more, I

(55:13):
think Nick, Yeah, you guyswanted to really big dips into that.
Yeah, Nick, that's saying thebest Nick Dudman is episode three. If
you haven't listened and you want to, did you have like our favorite moment
or that whole process? And Imean, I think just being in working
with the creature effects was amazing becauseit was just seeing like a whole different

(55:35):
department which I'd never seen work,and I think it's just like fascinating and
they are just like so incredibly talentedand what they can do. It was
amazing. And I think that wasjust a real joy, like to see
other you know, just seeing peoplewho were just insane at their job just
working was pretty cool. And thenI think just like being twelve thirteen,

(55:58):
I can't remember of twelve, andturning into a cat is just cool.
Anyway, was it a bit dauntingactually acting like to the camera? Do
you know what? I don't.I don't really remember it being that because
I feel like she just like turnsaround really and then there was a line
it's not it wasn't too much,and I feel like you're kind of given
a leave. I feel like justhaving a mask on just makes you like

(56:20):
not as nervous, sore, likeit's not me that no one can see
me, not whatever. Now untilI talk about it, yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah exactly,as if they think that's rubbish, then
it was. Ever so no onedid know until like a year ago.
Yeah yeah, okay, would youhave it any other? Like what could
you have? So many memories,but like any others that stick out,
it's like like eat on location,just like maybe on a particular set,

(56:47):
oh do you know what it's so, I'd say probably my favorite set was
the Great Hall, purely because itwas just like always something fun was being
done. There was always everyone wasin just made the atmosphere like so great
and that's dead is that absolutely spectacular? Like walking into like the water,
like that's the first thing you seeat the studio tour and I remember walking

(57:08):
and go, oh my god,yeah this is amazing. Yeah yeah,
And it was just like always fun. It's sort of sitting at the tables
normally and something's about to go down, but you're sitting next to your friends,
so you know, in the bitswhere before that, you know,
whilst they're filming or in between youjust chatting with your friends and this food
and stuff like that, even thoughthe foods like you and me you're not
either. I don't remember if itwas on the podcast or I just heard

(57:30):
about it because you know, allthe twenty years celebration stuff. But wasn't
it Chris Columbus told no one thatthe guy who played Cruel was going to
run into the Great Hall shouting yeah, so that was a huge shot for
everybody. Yeah, so it wassomeone I hope was it was? I
think must be. And Chris Frankinwas maybe saying this about oh was it
John Silpe I can't remember that,but a lot of stuff he just wanted,

(57:53):
Like, I mean, which isthe best way. It's just like
natural reactions and you just got anatural reaction from that with someone but sins
like troll in the dungeon or whatyou know whatever, And it's the same
he said with bringing Martin Bayfield onas Hagrid the Giant was like keeping him
under wraps, just so there wasa natural reaction from children to like seeing

(58:14):
somebody who's seven foot tall. Dressershad like you know that sort of thing,
which I think is like the bestway to go for child actors.
Like I remember watching them behind thescenes with Narnia and the Georgia. I
think her name was who played Lucy. They didn't tell her that they were
going into the Narnia set would allthe snow and that's her pure reaction or

(58:35):
her walking, and I think it'slike so magical. Yeah, definitely,
Like would you reminds me? There'sthe one bit that we filmed in the
third film of horse Meade in thesnow, and that was pretty beautiful.
Obviously it was all fake snow,but it looked pretty amazing. And then
I think my other favorite set isthe shrieking shack because the whole thing moved

(58:57):
that actually likes a side that wasquite cool. And I think that's probably
that scene with obviously serious black loopin snape Peter Pettigrew. I feel like
that's one of the times where Iwas working where I was thinking, Oh
my god, these guys are seriouslygood actors. Like I was kind of

(59:20):
you would have been thirteen, soyou would have got like a rough understanding
of who these people were. Yeah, No, So I think that was.
Yeah, I was like thirteen,and I just feel like I was
thinking, oh my gosh, theseguys they're good, which is a ridiculous
thing to say, considering they're alllike top tier actors, like the best

(59:42):
in the field. But I justremember being like, Wow, this is
really good. It's like they're reallyreally good, especially like it's just like
an and the way they'd just belike chitchat chit chat in between chatting to
ask, chit chat, chit chat, and I'll be like I've done my
time waiting. I'll be like,oh my gosh, it was so nice
before. Yeah, it would havebeen amazing just watching me, Like because

(01:00:06):
Harry Potter had some amazing actors justwatching them do their craft. Oh my
god. Yeah yeah, yeah,to be fair, like that's just a
moment that stands out. But Ithink with all the adult actors, um
yeah, just everyone was really good, but like you know, sort of
Maggie Smith incredible, like Julie Waltersincredible, Like they're just you know,

(01:00:30):
Kenneth Branner amazing. They were alllike really just like really really good.
And before since she was so young, you didn't realize who they were.
I had no idea, like I'venever heard of these people before, like,
um, but obviously I had anidea of like what Molly Weasley would
be like, and then did Juliewould do it, I'd be like,

(01:00:51):
oh my god, yes, that'sexactly what Molly Weasley would be like.
So, you know, it justkind of was amazing. And like Jason
Isaacs, I remember he in thatlike that scene where because the Weasleys are
there as well in the when guiltRoy Lockharts like selling his book and he
spots Harry in the crowd, butthen they meet the mouth boys on the
way out, and that was justlike a normal day. You're just like

(01:01:14):
there with all these actors and they'reall, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I think those sets are amazing. But as far as I can't remember,
like, I think being on locationin Scotland was amazing as well,
just because we were all like soso close. By that point, We've
been in each other's lives for likethree years non stop obviously been through like
this whole journey together, and Ifeel like that was just like, really

(01:01:35):
we had a lot of fun there. It was a good group. Did
you go up to Scotland every whatthe three years you did? First two?
They don't. The third one wewent to Scotland. Yeah, my
geography of England it's not very good. Yeah, No, that we went
up to No, we didn't hita second. I think we did come
up so like new Costs or anythinglike that. We went loads of places.

(01:01:58):
But yeah, only in the thirdfilm we went up to Scotland.
Cool. And which thing did youfilm up there? Then? Hagrid's Huts,
a little bit where they go backin time and free Buckbeak, the
initial bit with Buckbeak, then whenthey go free bluck Beak, So that
all that stuff was done up thereon a little hounds inside. Yeah,

(01:02:20):
because now I remember, yeah,I must have been Duncan Henderson who said
that, Yeah, they filmed Haggard'sHut on the back of just behind the
manager. Yea. Then they usedit up to Scotland and they're just like,
not a good idea, And thenthey realized it wasn't a great idea.
Yeah, yeah, they wanted it. They've always wanted to do hagrid
Hut in Scotland and it was justlike logistically the first film, they like,

(01:02:43):
it's not going to work. SoI think we filmed it in black
Forest. I'm gonna say black Forest. Maybe I'll make that up as a
Virginia Waters. I don't know.Okay, I'm saying black Forest, but
what I mean is Black Park inBuckinghamshire, which was literally twenty minutes from
the studios. Yes, you'll kindof notice that Hagrid's Heart is a little
bit isn't a different location too?Yeah, but you forgive it because the

(01:03:07):
Fair films just stead A Larene justepic, Yeah, beautiful, just just
the whole like lift of like weare now different. Yeah, yeah,
I think it was everybody has amakeover. Yeah, and I feel like
people just but happy, too happyto believe, happy to go with it
because it was so gorgeous, evenlike oh like the after part, we're

(01:03:30):
just like people just forgive it becausethe books were coming out at the same
time as the movies. Yeah,we just started. Yeah, and I
think it was good they moved Hagrid'shut because they needed that sort of I
think where the hut is and wherethey go up and they're sort of the
behalf the bridge was built there andthen they're looking back down on the patch
where I feel like just that wholething. And like also, Scotland is

(01:03:52):
just like the most beautiful, stunningplace. Oh yes, like one of
the most beautiful based in the wholeworld. So yeah, the Fair film
has some stunny landscape cinemotraphy, it'slike just gorgeous. Yeah, So I'm
really pleased they did they did goup there and we got to spend time
there because it was just like amazing, amazing. Um. Were there any

(01:04:16):
things that you film that didn't makeit? Oh? My gosh, like
so many, so many, butI actually can't remember. I can't remember.
I always think about it. Well, you have all the scenes with
Peas, Yeah, I didn't makeit. I actually have a list,
Okay, that has This is whathappens when I went through all the cool

(01:04:36):
sheets, I started making whistle scenesthat didn't make it. Yeah, tell
me what they are the lead scenes? Well, of course, pease.
Yeah, um, you filmed alot with him. Apparently there was a
scene that they filed a peace breakingthe ornaments that Liquid was sending up the
tree. Oh yeah, my god, I think that's one of the saddest

(01:05:00):
things that Rick Mail never made itinto the film. But yeah, yeah,
there's a couple quidditch stuff. Apparentlythe ghosts attended the quidditch match M
flying lesson. Hagrid was filmed.Hagrid was filmed watching them. So I'm
reading like a document at the sameNo meet them out, I'm just trying

(01:05:24):
to remember M just would have beenjust a cutaway M. Also there was
more shots of Professor McGonagall watching Harry, So yeah, I think this was
an alternative shot to what we gotin the film. So instead of Gonegal
turning around and like Harry catching therememberable, she was actually watching them practice.

(01:05:46):
Okay, and it originally concluded ProfessorSnake as well. Oh interesting,
Um, Roderick's hollow, which ifyou want to know about that scene.
Listen to Bargeton. That was afascinating scene to find out. UM and

(01:06:09):
Platform nine three quarters Apparently there wasa lot of stuff filmed with that that
was never seen. Wow, seethose are not the ones see I know
that we filmed. Like see,I'm trying to think. I'm thinking more
like maybe I can't remember like awhole place we went to that you like
never see. But I think,like so much is filmed in a certain

(01:06:30):
place and then you only see itfor like a split second, I think.
And this is like all the mainstuff that were on the call sheets
she gave me, Like there's probablystuff that's missing from them, like pickups,
yeah, that you do later onthat you just or like second unit
stuff and stuff like that. Yeah. Like, but I believe this article

(01:06:51):
is out on my monet if youwant to check out like all the Yeah,
I think there's a bit where,oh you do see it. You
see it very slightly, but thereis a bit I feel like maybe not
in the girl's dormitory, but inthe withinto common room, there's a whole
bit but Hermione does in her pajamas, But I don't I think you do

(01:07:15):
see something about that maybe she's juststanding at the top of the stairs to
the boys when they're in their pajamas. I think maybe second film I'm talking
about, Yeah, I remember thathow to Rewatch It? I remember that
being so I don't actually recall herbeing in her pajamas at all. Yeah,
because Hermione had pajamas. Oh yeah, there's a few times it's so
weird during the day or just likein pajamas and a dressing gown and she's

(01:07:36):
wearing the stores. I've actually gotpicture of me wearing the pajamas, so
I'll have to put that out soyou can see all the pajamas, I
think. Or is she in herpajama or do you just see them once
she's petrified in the hospital, ButI'm not sure you definitely see petrifies,
So maybe there's then yeah, besorry when the sort of weird flashback bit

(01:07:57):
where they sort of see how thepeople have in Petricart, I don't know
we need do you know what?This Christmas, I'm watching all the films
again because so many things now I'mgetting embarrassed. People say things and I
think what I think, Oh mygod, like the whole Quidditch not being
in some of the films, Idon't worry. I'm the same. Sometimes
it's like I've seen so many times, but like it got to a point
with Marlin at the Hounds, likeI'm editing like the films constantly that I

(01:08:18):
just can't get myself to watch myfully, but just the good stuff.
Yeah, they're normally on ITV everySunday in the leads up to Christmas,
and I normally watch them. Soit is coming up to my season where
I will be rewatching. But ifthey're not, I'm going to watch them
because my husband loves watching them aswell. So okay, I can confirm
that they were not on this ChristmasITV have let us all down, and

(01:08:42):
I still haven't watched them, butI am. In the new year.
That's what I'm going to do rewatchall the films. Yeah, we'll be
watching, and then I'm gonna haveto do like tweeting live about things that
that I'm remembering that I'm not sayinga podcasts no, no, we'll do
a commentary of you watching it live. I don't remember that I remember that
or whatever, because I don't thinki've seen the episodes. Yeah, yeah,

(01:09:04):
I think I was taught of youdoing a commentary or one point.
I mean, I think the thingis that I could watch it and then
be like, no, nothing moreto add. This is literally as I
remember, but yeah, there mightbe a few minutes. Yeah, I
need to. I shook my mum. She remembers a lot more than me.
Sometimes, well yeah, she wasthere. Would you for twenty foot
all the time? The birthday story, Oh my gosh, okay, but

(01:09:27):
if this isn't even like that greatstory, but like they'd always just make
like a fuss with you on yourbirthday and like the first and I can't
remember I might I might have mentionedthis before, but I can't remember.
But I actually found a picture ofit the other day, which is why
I was so good that when itwas my birthday on the first film.
First of all, they made melike the most gorgeous owl cake, like
personalized cake, and then they gotone of the goblins to come and like

(01:09:53):
present you to me in the canteen, like a fully made up goblin came
and gave me the cake. Andit was just like they'll just do like
really see stuff like that for you, and like you'd get cards signed by
like everyone, you'd get Like Iremember like when it was like my thirteenth
birthday, they gave me like abig fluffy, like pink feather bower to
wear all day and just like stufflike that. It was just like really

(01:10:14):
real, and they'd be like signsup saying like happy birthday, Blake,
and like they'd always just like gothe extra mile for you. Oh that's
so amazing. Yeah, we're goingto quickly go through these last questions because
you have to go. Did yousteal anything from the set? Oh?
My gosh, yeah no. Doyou know what I actually I feel like
I could have stolen more. Thatis what I think now speaking to other

(01:10:38):
people. I could have stolen more. But I mean definitely stole quills.
Sorry, that was like I'm noteven sorry about that. Probably the worst
thing that I stole, which Imight actually nervous to say this, was
so in the first film, beforethey're sorted into their houses, everyone has

(01:11:00):
just a black tie with the wholewarts crest on it. I think it
is with the four houses on it. Yeah, it's like yeah, and
then obviously as soon as they getsorted into their tie, it's their house.
Like magically, the Titans into thecolor but I stole the black tie
because it was just like so cool. I think it's right now I really

(01:11:23):
want to go. I have tolook at it. But yeah, it's
a very beautiful, just simple blacktie with just the crest off the top.
It's actually like and you're only geta couple I know, as a
collector's item. But yeah, i'dsay that what other bits to I don't
know what. I actually don't think. I don't think I stole anything else

(01:11:45):
that's like a prop or something likethat. And actually like it would have
it's kind of I think because weknew they were done with the black ties,
I just took mine. Think likewhat did wardrobe think? Where they
show up and the ties gone andthey just never anything And I think that's
actually like so many people that theyprobably didn't care A yeah exactly. But

(01:12:09):
the thing is, this is thesecret is that only certain people had the
tie with the crest embroidered. Ifyou if you're lowered down the list,
you just had iron on patch.Oh that's why I'm mine. It's top
tier, top tier because it wasthe embroidered one, not the iron on

(01:12:30):
the iron one, which I getbecause they're doing it for like how like
two hundred extras and you know,whatever you know or however many extras or
however many I can't remember how peopleit was now, but I get why
they did that with some things thatthey'd use, like an iron on.
Yeah, and it was never seenagain, like those hats on the first
film, never seen again. I'venever seen again, which actually is like

(01:12:51):
I didn't they had. I don'tthink they show it because I've got another
picture. Sorry, this is nowjust turning into one of our meetings,
like that's not for the podcast.But I spoke about this in an episode
about the rain episode that they gotus to test out some costume, which
was a poncho, which I dothink you see the Gryffinser poncho when it's
raining. Well, I don't thinkyou see it's the Gryffinser baseball hat.

(01:13:13):
Oh they had a baseball Gofinder hasa baseball hat, which I've got picture
of. And but I didn't notlike starting raining in the third film.
Yeah, I'm thinking third film,but I'm not sure if you ever see,
because I feel like they changed theirmind. And then Hermione is wearing
a bubble hat like I've got aknitted hat, not a baseball hat.
But I don't know anyone else.Yeah, I'll have to look back a

(01:13:34):
little though. Yeah, but no, do you know what I didn't And
I feel like it's kind of it'syou. You actually shouldn't really steal stuff
because things that they have like ahundred of it. If I'd stolen like
my wand I think that would havebeen pretty I think they would have been
didn't get your wand didn't. Yeah, that was very strict on the wand

(01:13:55):
so like hear the signed those onesin and out. Yeah, so I
wasn't that jam. But I gotlike loads of others, like you know,
all my scripts and my call sheets, which like obviously I've I've shown
you you've got lots of photos aswell, which yeah, yeah, like
all that stuff is really what's importantto me. Yeah, a lot of
stuff like that, like low thatwe've got all the books like lovely like

(01:14:17):
lovely editions of the books and stufflike that. We've got like loads we
got given like t shirts and stuffand backpacks and you'd always get a little
you know, mento from the filmand started like all that sort of stuff
I've got. So I've got likeboxes of Harry Potter jazz, but yeah,
one day we'll get you to gothrough it, or yeah and I'm

(01:14:38):
boxing live, I just go throughall Harry Botter's laugh. Did you you
work back through the four film asan extras? That correct? Yeah?
Yeah, literally, just because Ilike knew them and I said I wasn't
doing the film, so oh yougot to come back as an extra and
I was like, yeah, onehundred percent, I'd love to do that.

(01:15:00):
And then it was just like,what's a fun scene to do?
So they were like, do youwant to come and do the eyul ball
where all the all the schools arethere. So I went and did that
and that was really fun just tosee everyone again but you're somewhere in the
background. Yeah yeah, yeah,which I think like Morgan thinks she found
me because I was very like thismaroon dress. I actually got a picture
of that as well of what Iwore for that, which was really nice.
I got to go and get likedressed up, and I think I

(01:15:20):
spent like maybe four days they're justfilming that scene, which was lovely just
to see everyone. And you know, it was actually nice because I think
like I didn't feel like Oh.I wish i'd said I would do I
would carry on, you know.I feel like it was like, oh,
it's nice to come back. Andthen I went back again, like
on the fifth film, not todo extra work. I just went back

(01:15:42):
in just to see everyone, justto say hello, well that's cool,
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.There at least they'll welcome you back,
and they're just like, yeah,come back. Yeah, it was really
nice. Hi everyone. And Tomlooked like in the fourth in the yuball
ye ask Morgan. I feel likeshe sent me some pictures. I'll see
if I've offol of them to you. I think I've covered anything. Is

(01:16:06):
is there anything else? Oh mygosh, you're using my own question on
me where I'm like, I don'tthink else they have to take that.
There's like obviously so like there's somuch, so much I'm looking through like
your part two literally yeah, doyou know what I know? And we
need to do like I think weneed to do, Like I need to
ask my Instagram followers what they wantto ask me, because a lot of

(01:16:27):
times I get questions I think,oh that's a really good question, that's
actually really interesting, and I'll justlike reply directly. But I feel like
maybe after this episode we relax,there's anything else you want to know,
we can try and do a parttwo and get some questions from them,
because I was definitely thinking of that. But yeah, guys, if there's
any other questions, that's great tolet us know. Look like no,

(01:16:47):
um, and we'll definitely do apart two. There's a like I have
any more questions, even though Iprobably know like a lot of the yes.
So I've just asked you over likethe past year. But like,
well, when only like one hundredpeople listened to this episode compared to like
the thousands that listen to the otherepisodes, I'll be like, right,
nobody wanted it, then we'll know. Then we'll know that it's a no

(01:17:12):
gohot situation. But no, there'sI think like there's nothing else to add.
I think just like ultimately, andeveryone always when I speak to them,
finishes the finishes their interview just sayinghow amazing a time they had,
And I think that's really how Ifeel about it too. It was a
real family feel, and like Ijust know that I'm one of the luckiest

(01:17:36):
people to have got to do that, And I feel like even more so
now you know, when you're doingit, you know you're lucky, but
you kind of just like I said, it just becomes your everyday life.
But the older I get and themore I think people still love Harry Potter,
I know how like incredible it wasthat I got to do it.
My mum and dad both came withme all the time. My sister and

(01:17:58):
my brother are in the field.Yeah, they both were extras on all
the films. Like my brother didKing's Cross, my sister was in huffle
Path in the Great Hall, youknow, Warner Brothers with us every one
location would sort out my family comingup from the Friday nights at the sun
day, they'd stay with me likeit was a real family thing, and
like we all had an amazing timeand it was a real, you know,

(01:18:20):
once in a lifetime experience for allof us that we you know,
actually don't talk about that much,but we just sort of like in Lessoning,
Harry Botter comes up and I guessa little bit more now I'm doing
the podcast, But you know,I don't know if my brother listens.
I know my mom and dad definitelylistened to it. They just listened to
Celia's episode, because I called themthe other day and they were like,

(01:18:41):
we're just listening to Celia's episode,and I know my sister listens, which
she's about ten episodes behind. I'mnot sure if my brother does. But
yeah, we all, you know, we were all involved in it and
it was a real family thing.And yeah, it's amazing. Yeah,
even just hearing how many episodes arewe up to, Neil, like twenty
four, everybody feels the same.It's family feel you even feel like I

(01:19:05):
was never part of the films obviously, but just being in a part of
the universe, it's like even justnow so family. Yeah, it feels
like I got friends or the worldthat feel like family. Yeah, the
way it's just an incredible community,it really is. Yeah, And like
yeah, you know, and that'sjust since doing the podcast, people are

(01:19:29):
just so lovely, Like I honestlyjust wish I could just show like my
inbox on my Instagram of like sortof just some amazing messages I get from
people, which is just so lovely. And also just like the amazing people
that are actually on the podcasts too, who you know, give up well
over an hour of their time totalk about some twenty years ago. But

(01:19:53):
they're always happy to do it andnot to like pick us up. But
we always get really lovely messages fromafter would say they really enjoy talking about
it, which is great, andeven they help us find people to talk
to because they recommend it to theirfriends. That's how it works. That's
our secretly we don't tell people thatthat. That's how we source all the

(01:20:13):
guests ourselves. We don't ever gettims from anyone else. Yeah, but
it's just it's just that whole like, yeah again, the family vibes like
you talk to one and they're justlike, oh, go and talk to
this person. They did this,or they did a special role like Celia
her Roles so specialized. Yeah.Amazing, amazing, amazing community, amazing

(01:20:35):
films. Yes, and yeah,we can't wait to share more episodes to
you. Yes. Yeah, whatgreat nightes. We're always working very hard
to get episodes out to you.Guys. We are, we are,
and this is going to this isgoing to be the Christmas episode. Yes,
so Merry Christmas everyone, happy.Best this season. I've been best

(01:21:00):
in the season and we'll be backas quickly as we can with more episodes.
Yes, We've still got a lotof good people that have said they're
going to come on, and it'sjust logistics of getting it. Like I
said, it's the time, likeit's their time, my time, Lucy's
time, Patrick's times, so it'sjust kind of getting us all lined up.

(01:21:21):
But there's some seriously good people stillto come. We haven't forgotten about
this podcast, like we'd love itso much. It's just it comes down
to logistics of people. But yeah, we're always looking for people getting we're
always recording doing stuff, so yeah, yeah we haven't forgotten. That feels

(01:21:45):
so weird hearing myself being interviewed,but I hope you found it interesting and
I didn't repeat myself too much asstories that I've already told on the podcast.
And yeah, there's always so muchto talk about because it was such
a crazy, wild experience though andon for three years. But you know,

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if there is anything that I didn'tcover that you want to hear more
of, you can always get incontact with me. I absolutely love it
when people message to me about thepodcast and ask me questions, and normally
there's such good, interesting questions aswell that you bring back memories for me
that things that I've forgotten. WhenI'm talking, especially like an interview setting
like this, everything just goes straightup my head. But yeah, I

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hope you enjoyed that one. Sowe are on a break again now until
the new year, where we willbe back with new episodes. I'm not
one hundred percent sure when the firstepisode will be out, but we'll post
on our socials on Mugglenette my socialas well, so you know when to
be looking out for the next episodeback. I hope you will have a

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fantastic Christmas and we will see youin twenty twenty three. Lots of love.
Thanks for listening to Behind the wandStories from the Harry Potter Films.
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Miles, and brought to you bymichaelnet dot com. Bye for now.

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All right, so it's recording,so yeah, let's le's go for it.
I'm a little bit nervous. I'mthinking, like, what are you
gonna ask me? I'm trying toremember stuff, but hopefully I should have
send you the notes and stuff beforehand, But we'll see how it goes.
I think a lot of the stuffyou've already talked about. But also I
feel like a lot of our listenerswould have seen a lot of the stuff.

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Yeah, so who knows ye littlefifteen minute Christmas episode. Yeah.
And then there's me. He's likea very film fanatic person who's just like,
what was that? How do youfeel that? So I reckon there
will be a lot of inserts aswell, when you go this is a
film terminology. I'm sorry.