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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Fifty nine year old God bless Ua Diego at the
center of what investigators call a heinous crime and an
investigation they confirmed to me today spans beyond Warren County
UAU is a state tested nursing assistant. He was arrested
this week and charged with gross sexual imposition. The Middletown
man is accused of kissing, licking, and fondling the breast

(00:25):
of a seventy nine year old woman who was a
memory care patient under his care. Traditions of dear friend.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
So this is investigator raiment.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi, nice to meet you.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
You do it if you wear in the scrubs again.
You've still been working? Have you've still been working or what?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, he's such an always I have to help you,
nfhon one everywhere you want. Thank you well, how you
do We've been doing well. It's been listening lately.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Now that COVID is kind of going away or whatever's happening,
it's it's turned into now everybody's going back out and acting.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Give for you again. So you're the one thing that
I have not been able to get my vaccine.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
I think I can't understand you can't get your what
my vaccination yet?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm not gonna get that.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Really, I'm gonna wait a little while and see what
happens to everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Why haven't you gotten it yet? Why haven't you gotten
the vaccine yet? I hear you a lot of you
know voices that I'm not gonna be yet. I said,
let me wait. I mean you work correctly around it
for all that time, and yeah, I've been. I've been included.
You know, all the pitious you think you can give

(01:49):
of them and they're not can happen to me? And
it like that In that case, I said, Lord, I
I thrust you right, So I've been that, you know,
go by your initiation and anti that's all. Yeah. Mm hm,
you would have been able to get it. How are
you now? What's your how are you?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I was one, like sixty two, okay everything, I'm fifty
nine right, so yeah, you would have been able to
get it pretty soon if you want it. I'm just
working healthare Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I think a lot of friends I ask, they said,
like an actualized say you no garage?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
M h.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I said, why should I have to rush to get
it if I didn't get it when I was in
the midst of the COVID ball months. Mm hmm. Then
it means I'm protected. M so I better have to
take it easy.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So, and I think it's free, it's free and not
I think, yeah, yeah, it's free. I'm pretty sure. Did
your wife get it? Anybody in your family get yeah?
I think no she has not. No, no, no, no,
not yet because she has been ill. Oh, she had.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Canceled depressed, and she has been taking some medications and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I think it is something that she has to get
to when she is a very petty hell yeah mm
hmm or something like that.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Are you still living in Middletown then yeah, okay your wife.
Is your wife still home? Then is she still living
with you? Or I didn't know what the breast cancer if.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
She was in the hospital or in fact, is she
had you know that?

Speaker 6 (03:38):
But I think the good lord it is, you know,
doing mirac she's getting better. The old is you have
to make sure that everything you know disappears and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
It's it's good that she's just able to take medication
and with it, and she had been taking at times.
That stuff is Yeah, people, I know that that spread
what you know, Pray that that kind of Sometimes they
would say that's it, we do you know Ronde all

(04:16):
and come.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Back and that I believe that God who they killed.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
We need to be finished.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
So before we get started here with everything, I just
want to make sure you know I greatly appreciate you
coming in. I know that it was last minute calling
you and you said you'd been down to Kentucky coming
in here, and do you need to did you drive
from Kentucky or did you drive from home today?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
You see when you told me you came back, then
I had to come back. I got you, I got
good back in the nine.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Well, I was just gonna ask you if you need
to use a restroom or anything like that, just let
me know all that whenever, if you need to go
for any reason, I got a door closed just because
there's a guy they're getting ready to do. They still
won't let you in the school stuff. And he's doing
stuff for the schools.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
To prepare for next year round.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
So just to try and give us some privacy, So
if you need to go or anything, just let me
know and get you going. Other than that, I think
let's get Raymond here is wanting to kind of go
through She's not heard all of the kind of the
story of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So we're probably gonna step back and just kind of
go through everything from the very beginning with you. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
So, by the way, I didn't have the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You got nothing from it, like like before you just
had to you know, I didn't. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
So I got the results of the polygraph and and
said you failed that test, you know. So that's what
I want to talk about, is the reasons why and all.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
That kind of stuff, and can yet me out before
we come through it? Yeah? Absolutely? Okay.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
So I'm Philly Raymond with the Ohio Department of Health.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I work for Abuse, neglect, and Misappreparation and Exportation. As
you know, when anything happens in a facility, they have
to report it to our office. They called a self
reported incident. We have received one from Traditions and that's
why we're here to talk about it today. What will
happen is I will want to talk to you one time, okay,

(06:37):
unless something new comes up that I wasn't aware of
between now and the time I try to report in.
I'm basically a fact finder. I come out and talk
to everyone involved. I write a statement and then a
report to the Columbus Office. They review the report. If
there's a preponderance of evidence that a statutory offense has occurred,

(07:00):
and in this case it would be.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Sexual abuse, then you would get a letter and the
letter tells.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
You exactly what to do.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You would have a right to hearing. If they decide
that there is enough ponderous of evidence, then.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
The case just gets closed and you don't hear from us.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
So, and so it's one one or the other with US.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, I want you, if you could, I want not
going to read all this outloud. Can you just double
check your address data, birth phone number and you probably
don't know your nursing registry number, but I'll double check.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
That before I tape it out.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is correct? Is correct? It is correct? The phone number
is not right.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Phone numbers not.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, it's a three nine four or something.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
The two two numbers, Oh, both of those are your numbers. Okay,
I know I got one of them off of one
of the yeah. Okay, the database. Okay, So everything's correct. Okay,
So which shift did you work at traditions?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
What hours did you work? Nice night? Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
So is that seven p to seven A. Do you
do twelve hour ships seven P seven A?

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Then yeah, A lot of times you were coming earlier, though,
did you didn't you come in earlier than seven A
lot of times?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That is no particular appointment. I am not more than
one hour early all my life.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
So you come in at six, I said earlier. You
run much earlier than the appointment because.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
In the seminary, that is what were you know how
I was.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Trained because I thought there was hardy It worked from
like three in the afternoon or something.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, because it's a kind of double shift.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
That's why now like sixteen hour.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Sixteen hour shifts from three, you know to seven, seven
to seventh.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You see the point of gotcha? Yeah? So, and especially
that time, it was really tough for everybody. The only
person that was never afraid of COVID was me. M hm.
I go to them, my bresdom, I carry them off,

(09:43):
I leave them all and all the rest of them,
because I know that as a missionary, this is what
we are trained to do. So I walk differently because
I walked from the heart, from the way I see situation.
So I don't want because I want to get a

(10:04):
pay check or wait for time to pass and this
like that.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
So okay, on the day in question, the day that
we were talking about, was what hours did you work
that day?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
Did you come in at three? Did you do a
sixteen hour shift or twelve hour?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes? I think I did three to seven too, because
because I was there.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
When the lunch was served, because the lunch is solved five.
So if I was, if I could see the lunch
the dinner.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Sorry. And one thing you have to excuse me off.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Is I have terrible access and sometimes in my English
I choose said sometimes wrong vote laris compared with what
Americans say.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, you know, I mean languages. Do you speak
a lot? Because I have, I have. I have been
you know, to twenty eight countries of the world. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
So whenever I'm talking to you, if you sometimes I
speak to you mixing English with the language that comes
into my head.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But when you said, ah, it's accurs to me that
this is the only person, the person that understands only English,
then I have to reprogram my head to start speaking
only English. So I'm trusting for me. Your that I
think to Mike, is that always about you, you know,
getting married? I understand you mm hm. So let's contact me.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
So tell me, tell me about that shirt, tell me
about the three to seven ship that day. Kind of
just run me through what you what you did? You know,
how to go into like a lot of little details.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
But don't want to know how you how you.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
You and.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Mm hmmm what you did for her that day?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
What you did for the COVID resident, COVID residence name
do you remember, because they only had a couple COVID residents.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
See, yeah, in the beginning, let me started way to
when way to be quen COVID was heavy m.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Then there the view of there the whole when it
is only COVID you know, patients with the in a
linel you letter with the plastic plastic distinct cover engines.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay that you know that who lost for four patients?

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Then after that lost, then the residents COVID residents you know,
started decreasing m hm. And the tradition decided not to
bring them, you know together, because before.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
If someone in the other hall is a COVID passion,
they bringing they bring the patients you know to you know,
the appointed area.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
But this time around they decided that whoever is suspected
mm hm. You know COVID or in quarantine. Right then
they put the plastic.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
On the dog, on the dog, and eventually they liberated
you know the hall. So within the hall, the whole
you know, harbor.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
COVID patients that already free and COVID passions.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
That already on, but those are still having plastic. Those
free are not okay in the whole unit.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
They start being here in this hole, here in the hall,
here in the hall.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
But with the plastic, that's the only identification mark, okay, me,
that was the time this.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Issue happened mmm hmm. And is one it's not a
COVID patient, but this had her apartment or her room.
It's closed, you know, to.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
The form a hale.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Before a hale, the serial the plastic mm hmmm hmm. Okay.
Then I have been dealing with the well how do
you call it? How do you.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
She has been having problems.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
Sometimes when she locked her door going out mm hmm.
Jam the dog, because there's a way traditional door is
if you talk something inside, jammed to lock if you
try to open it to not okay. Most of the

(15:46):
times she run into that problem. I who I have
the key because the key is given to this, you know,
to the workers.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
So I help not only that mm hmm. Of them.
There's only one key. There's only one. There's not one
keyp but is the key outside the at least provided
for the eggs. And it's all like a piece of
albom or something. It's like a piece of y.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
Yes, you know that's a phone to make it, you
know visible, a valuable because it is.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
A tiny key, and there's only one key from all
the eggs, of all the.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Eggs, but the nases have the because the nass are
the ones that have the keys.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
So if we use it, if we use it, we
keep it somewhere that whoever has a problem would always.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Say, you know, go there and sit for it. If
you cannot, you call it nus to come and open
the door. So this is this situation. Then what was
the because and again about.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Your interactions with the jay that.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Okay, I have been interacting with her all the while.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
I have been there, m hmm, giving her a lot
of you know, friendship, you know, comfort when she cries,
and sometimes I.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Would be I would be there she opens her door
and start talking to me and wait into me when
I when I come to her, then I asked he
said that she didn't.

Speaker 6 (17:38):
You know, eat food or she I said, you're hungry,
says she's hungry. It's okay, why don't you you know,
get a snack? And they say, said she has no snack.
Then I went into her room and resaw that she
has no snack.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So either I go such for the snacks and break
to her.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Now, is this on the day the day we're talking about, Okay,
just just tell me about the day.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
That particular data she went? I think after lunch, after
after dinner. Okay, So she came, she came, and that's
in adult was locked.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
M I opened it.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, was she coming? Was she in the apartment and
came out and locked herself out, or was she somewhere
else and was going into the apartment.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
When she finished lunch? From the dinner she came. M hmm,
she walked around. The second time she came, she wants
to enter the apartment.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Okay, But what time's dinner?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I think Dinna was five five, okay, Okay, then I
think the dinner from five proceeding depends how slow many
people eat and things like that. So when you know
she came back.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
That's was the time I help her open the you know,
the door. M hmm. First of all, she says she
doesn't know what to do. I said, the best thing
is that you have to get yourself organized, you know,
watch television. She said that she doesn't like you know,

(19:29):
she doesn't like the channels.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
She likes that's okay, where is your remote? Let me
help you. I will help you find the day remote
the channels like then we start this is bad. M
She sat there, the television is there, So I was

(19:53):
using that.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Removed to side for you know, the channels, until I
got to the channels that this kind of baby, you
know the channel that what is that animation of something
like that?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
The cartoons. So she thanked me a lot many times.
I I got her in depressive ways mm hmm. I
give her a hug, you know, talk to her sometimes,
you know. I help her, you know, to lie on

(20:31):
the bed.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
I satisfied, you know the bed as I can, we
pray mm hmm. Then I pray with her taste like that.
Then help her come out and leave. Okay, but to
one thing.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Was my mistake.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
But I don't care because I was fooling my heart
was that in that hast situation, she's not.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
A COVID you no patience and they expect me not
to attend to COVID. You know patience, but she inclined
in my health.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Well, were there other I saw that there were other
aids working that day because you were.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Not assigned to I was. I wasn't assigned to know
you were a signed to the COVID patients.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Correct, I was assigned to COVID passions. Okay, did you take.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
Your stuff off before you went in the room?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Okay, so you you increased your chance of becoming of
getting COVID by jillin that because the protocols from that
are from our department at higher Department Health.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
You should not have been going into any other residence room.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
With all of your COVID.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
If you went into a COVID room and came out,
you were supposed to take that all off before you
interacted with any other resident. Now I'm just saying now,
I'm just I'll let you continue, but I just want
to let you know that, yeah, because I still still
have COVID.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
So if you do go and if you are working
and you go on a facility.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
What can I do now is that.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
I put them new you know, new ones, and I
washed my hands and then you know, I get my
fresh you know.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Gillion of gloves. So making sure that I don't go
to one patient and I you know, use the same
stuff to go to another one.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
Okay, So you change your business.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Because it's always available for me to change.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
Okay, So you changed your COVID when you came out
of a COVID room, you would change put a new
one on one, and.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Then you went to the one I went to room
is then clean water?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, clean work?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So this where did I stop?

Speaker 7 (22:58):
You're a mistake?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Think I thought, I'm.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
Talking about a mistakes because one thing I'm very good
at it's atletting my mistakes mm hmm. And something I
discovered is that I have, you know, two things controlling me.
What I should do, you know, as you know, rules, principles.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
And things like that, and what I see with my
heart that the.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
Person right there with me as a woman being needs Okay,
that's where I have struggles.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
M hmm. Okay. So when that, you know happened, then
I came out and continue, you know, my round h
Then at the point of.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
At this at the second point, at the second point,
when I came out, and when I came out, I

(24:14):
said she I think she was the one mm hmm
that got out of the out of her room.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
And she waits for me like she does always when
she needs my attention.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Okay, And that day, I know, the first time when
I change it, when I get her distance her television,
you know, done, and all the rest of them. Then

(24:53):
I had I had to go to her you know,
toilet to wash my hands and you know, and all
the rest of them. And there I left my salitation
you know which I have their spray bottle. It is
spare bottle. Then I was hearing. I was hearing. No,

(25:21):
there was one of them. They call it. They call
her Crystal who always enters into every you know, patient
because she's you know, she's like that doesn't know what
she's doing, so immediately in order not to bother Miriam
and door this. Then I have to take her out

(25:46):
forgetting my aider, which I know I kept in that there.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay, you keep going like this, do you keep it
like hooked?

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yeah, it's a spray bottle.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, because I tied.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
You know.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
See when you that outroa where you put it, you
have to tie it on your waist. So on that reason,
I hung the key mm hmmm. That pool something across it,
and you know, the sanitizer has resistance.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I hunger it, you know, going around. Okay, when I
took a crystal out m h I loved it.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Though, then I forgot my sanitizer, you know, and there
so taking her redirecting her m Eventually.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Then I started seeing you know coll ax mm hmm.
Call lies. Then I started walking with you know, the
call attending to the patient m hmm. When I finished.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
One, I went to the other and it was the
time for me to go around.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And unfortunately not all of them, you know, can call,
so one here one day one day, so it is
all like this.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
I go around to make sure I cover, you know, around.
Then I came, you know to a place I used
to stay. That was the time, you know, came out
and you know wave and I.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Knew I wanted to use this sanitizer earlier, but I
discovered that I don't have it on me, and I
knew it wasn't you know, they're coming to to my
place with the intention that I'm going to get to
you know, to you know, take it out mm hmm.

(27:54):
There and the recollected. But it happened that needed my attention,
and ever before that. Then I wait, like I said,
two things, I'm not social. Forgive me what she jumped

(28:22):
the door. I opened it all it was opened, and
I went in the eastside.

Speaker 7 (28:29):
The door was open, And was that the time she
was waiting for you the time.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
She was waiting for me. I didn't jump and start
going there. You just had to change my you know,
outfron and things like that, so can I later, you know,
went in there. One thing I didn't know, and I

(28:55):
said it before that I opened the door. But it
sounds I am much social when I went in. Fact,
one thing mhm that happened to me that day, I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
It.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
The food of that day, you know, from the facility.
And I was having you know, running stomach and personally
as my hereditary something I have a it is you
know pile, you know pile mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Then it came to me, you know the way that
if I have a running stock you know, run running stomach,
if I don't you know, go I may even go
on you know, on myself.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So when I get into mhm, you know, justing to
get the sanitizer m hmm. I picked and I was
already lie down it, you know, on the bad So
when I had that pressure, I decided to ease myself.

(30:19):
And it is one thing I don't suppose to do.
I have made my mistakes and my errors, but if
I don't do it that time mm hmmm, I think
I would do it on myself. And I never knew

(30:39):
that DISTANCE would be discovered, so I had to, you know,
ease myself there. Then when I finished, by the time
I finished, I tried to make sure that I put
I clean everything.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Freaking to make sure that nothing like nothing happens. That
I was so unlucky, so unfortunate. By the time I
could finish that and take my sanitizer mm hmm, the
nurse came for Mariam.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
So you were unfortunate that the nurse came at that time.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, it was very very unfortunate for me, m because
if I had known that I would be discovered, I
maybe probably I would have don't you tell myself.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, where's the where's the closest restroom outside? Did you
when you when you change your outfit? Do you do
you put that one in the hallway?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
In the hallway?

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Do you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Where do you change?

Speaker 7 (31:51):
Where do you change and put your scribes? Where do
you put the COVID stuff on?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Where do you do that?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I did it down you know where I am down
down the hall, down by the chair that you were
sitting in. That is in the because it is in
the all the all the you know.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
Box.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
Okay, okay, So what's the there's a room right beside
the chair.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
What is that room?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
That is a is an empty it's an empty room.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's an empty room. And that's you know, particle of time.
Mm hmm. There was.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
There was this.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
What did that call it? I forgotten little name.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
You went in that room when you first got there,
when you first came into work, you went in that
room beside the chair.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
What room is that?

Speaker 3 (32:49):
An empty patient?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah? I always keep my things there, okay.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
And that's an empty patience room, an empty patients which
has a bathroom and.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It has a bathroom. It has a bathroom. And there
was the residents there.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
There's a residence room and it was empty.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
Yes, but they come to you know, they come to
you know, Johnny and.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
They watched televisions there. Okay, do you understand?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay? But the point are we talking? The room with
the plastic over it?

Speaker 7 (33:24):
No, you know the chair, the chairs here, and then
here's a doorway right here. Yeah, okay, that's an empty
patients room.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, that's is empty patients room.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
That is where because I see some employees go in
and out of it.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And when you came in, you went straight to that
room and came out. And then that is where you
put your your COVID stuff on. Correct, okay.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
And then Muriel's rooms down here right.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Like down the hallway.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
This is the chair and then your COVID you've got,
is it? That is down here with the COVID patient
she's on this hall and now yeah okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
See, okay, go ahead. Someone would you know, say why
bring your press? Why not you know, go and do
it in that room?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
But the kind of praisure I have and what I
come to do to see didn't make it, didn't give
me that thinking.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
To go and I couldn't make it going back there.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
So you went to room to get your hand sanitizer. Yeah,
Then why did she motion for you.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
I don't know that's what I would have found out
after I have eased myself.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Because she was in bed when you got in.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, she was in bed.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Okay, So she she motioned for you to come down.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
You get up to go down, and she and she
goes in and goes to bed.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
When she you know, she was on me.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
I had to you know, change my you know, my
oupron and tasted like that the time phato and all
the rest. When I went I saw her, I picked
her because I didn't I peeped actually was.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Lying on the bed. Then I had that crasure. Then
I decided to use myself finished by they take my
sanitizer and know you know why she mentioned to me
so that before and that that was what I never
got the chance before the mouse came.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Okay, So then the nurse came, who let it? Didn't
let the nurse in.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
N It was that led the mouse aim while I
was in the toilet.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Okay. Do you know the nurse's name?

Speaker 2 (35:48):
No, one black, real short hair. Just then.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
Okay, and then so that kind of was then when
you you came.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Out of the room.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Then because we she was entering the you know, entering
the toilet mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
And I was so distopped mm hmmm. Probably she noticed I,
you know, I did something because you know, things like that,
even though I tried to clean everything, you know, so
I was kind of ashamed. I was a kind of distorted.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I was a kind of everything. So I left.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
Then what did you do when you left?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I left and continue doing what I was supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
And even.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
There was somebody I met, I think a patient I met,
you know, on the way then talking. Okay.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
Did you go back into your room.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
After that, after that, after that incident, after you came
out the rest of your ship, did you go back
into your reels room for anything?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, because even when that person I was talking to,
were you know, doing this?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
And then I I.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Saw, you know, right on the front of the talking
with somebody. I said, how are you doing? You know,
what's any problem?

Speaker 5 (37:36):
He said no?

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Okay, So you didn't have any conversation.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
With her, just to ask her how she's doing, like
I do all the ways. Okay. Then I pass home.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
All right, So did you hang out in that hallway
any later or did you just go back to your
checking on your COVID.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Patients that I cannot remember, uh, you know, because when
I you know.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I think, okay, yeah, it's okay if you don't remember.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
I don't remember what I did that, but I continue
doing what that is opposed to do your work, my walk, but.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I don't know exactly what I did at that time, Okay.

Speaker 10 (38:24):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
So that was all your interaction with with some.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yes, does it does all the into interaction with that Okay?

Speaker 4 (38:33):
All right?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
You know, as I said in the beginning of the interview,
I'm not I won't come talk to you again about
about the situation, okay. And with our with our office,
honesty is the best policy. It gets you further than
trying to cover up what you did. You know, if
we know that you're being honest and upfront with us.

(38:55):
So I'm going to go back through what you said, okay,
and then ask you questions about it, okay, because a
lot of times when we ask you stuff, we already
know the answers.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
So what if I told you that sitting on the
residence bed and holding their hands or hugging them or
kissing them will get you in more trouble than using
a residence restaurant. Okay, going in a residence room that

(39:31):
does not have COVID with dirty COVID stuff on. Because
I've watched several videos, you never changed your outfit that night.
I would have seen it, okay, because I have video
of you sitting in that chair that would also that
would pretty much get you fired. Okay. Because we're in

(39:56):
a pandemic. They're very strict at the nursing homes because
you would know how many.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
Residents in nursing homes passed away from it.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Why didn't you tell the facility you use the restroom
because all of those other things would have gotten you
in worse trouble.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Okay, And you said you were unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
Another thing, the video shows you with your hand sanitizer
the whole night. So what you saying you went into
to get your hand sanitizer.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I know you didn't.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
You were sitting in the chair when she waves for you,
and that hand sanitizer was on your waistband.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Did you have the key originally when when she waved
for you to go down, and you remember and you
and you said, well you were going to go down
any way to get your hands anaitiser?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Did you have the key with you.

Speaker 7 (41:17):
Yeah, okay, did you already have it on you or
did you have to go get it?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Did you have to get it?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
It's okay if you don't remember, I mean, I know
what you did.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I mean I know how.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Waves for you.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
You start to get up.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
When you get up your hands, anentertiser is hanging on
your your tie, and I have to I have to,
I have to. Well, I only saw one. The whole
thing on every hallway you were in, there was only one.
Then you hesitate going to her room. You turn and

(42:00):
get the key out of the plastic container and you
take the key down, but you go straight in the room.
You didn't use the key, So why would you take
the key with you.

Speaker 11 (42:19):
That I had him?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
The key you you got, you went, We're going to
go to the room.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
That the key was not on your person. Okay, you
didn't have it because sometimes you carry it in that waistband.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
You didn't have it in there.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It was in the plastic container where it belongs. So
that if you're taking care of residence and another residence.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Locked out, yeah, give me to help you.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I can't call you back. Okay. If you flip the
switch on the side of silence there you know?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Okay, So why did you stop to get the key
to go to Muriel's room? She emotions for you, and
when you went down there, you went straight in it.
She didn't walk herself out of the room because she
came out of the room in her nightgown. She had
a nightgown one.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
So why did you why did you hesitate and then
turn and take the key? Get the key and take
it with you?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Did you not want anyone coming in the room? Did
you not want anyone having the key to enter that
room while you were in there?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Did they have to knock?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Well, the nurse had to knock because the door was locked.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, and you had the key.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
You had the key.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Mm so that.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
But you didn't know that when you first went down there,
because it hit you like that that you had to go.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
To the bathroom otherwise you had to use a toilet
right next to you. Because it is the tang, It
hits me. But that doesn't.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Explain why you took the key with you, the key
that's supposed to stay in that divider tote the plastic
toat sitting right next.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
To the chair you were in.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
You're sitting in the chair, it's sitting next to you,
You stand up, you start to walk down towards the room.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Then you stop and you go and you get the key,
taking it with you. The only reason why you would take.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
That key with you is so that no one else
had access to that key, because the room was open.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Motioning for you.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
She clearly had her door open, was standing in the
doorway of it, so there was no I don't need
for you to take that key other than.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
To prevent Josephine or any other nurse.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Or nurse's aide from getting that key and just coming
in the room on you because the only way to
get in that room.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Was That's when I have to figure it out because
it is my habit whenever I'm moving on, and I
used to take the key with me when I'm using.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It or I'm not using it.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
I didn't take it for any on trilo motive views
or thinking what you say.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
That's not accurate. I see you walking the halls without
that key numerous times.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That's not accurate. You see the point is this that
then I do the thing I do. I don't have
pre meditative reasons why I do. Again, do you understand
you just have urges propulsions. That is it. I just

(46:01):
do it when it comes to me. Maybe if I
don't take it, I forgot to take it all.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Like you you said, if I take the key, m
it means my intention. Is that then so that nobody
comes in you know, you know, to unloved you. No,
I can I assure you about that. That wasn't detention.

(46:30):
That wasn't dectation because I always carried the key.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
With me and the way I am, that's that's not true. See.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
So I've sat here and I've listened to you and
me and you talked before, and I've heard your your
version of what happened, and now I'm up to about
version three.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
What has happened is you gave.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Your original story, and your original story was that you
went into the room to help her with TV. Then
you change your story. I allowed you to talk, then
you change your story to oh, no, I went in
to help her because she locked herself out of her
room after lunch, and when I went there to let

(47:15):
her in, I helped her with her TV then, and
that's when I washed my hands, and I leave my
hand sanitizer sitting in her bathroom. After I washed my hands.
That story makes sense. Then after we confront you with, hey,
how come you're in here for what was it, twenty
two minutes in the room just to go in and
get your hand sanitizer.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Then that's when you say, oh, slipped my mind.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
But you know what, I had this strong stomach pain,
this pressure as you called it, and said that you
had to go to the bathroom, you had to poop,
you had to go number two, whatever you.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Want to say, you needed to do. You had a
running valve movement.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
So you then tell us you use the bathroom, and
then that's why you don't answer the or when you
hear the knocking and Josephine is out.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
There and you go with that. Then we confront you
with the fact now that the spray model, the hand sanitizer.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
That you're claiming you went back there to get, you
had the entire time.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You had that with you, from the time you.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Had come out of her room the first time, because
you were in there originally a first time.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
When you went down to her room, you've stood up,
you took that key out. You didn't need that key.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
There was numerous times you never carried that key with you,
and maybe it was something that you always wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
But you also knew that key was supposed to stay
there for the.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Other aids and the other nurses to be able to
get residents in or get into their rooms if they
need me.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That's where that key is kept. That's not a key
that's assigned to you, and they're not here, God bless,
this is your key.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
That is a key for the facility, for that wing,
for them to get into that room if they need to,
if someone locks themselves out, or if someone's having emergency
and they need to get into them that's what that
key is there for.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's not for you to carry around. You take that
key with you and your hand sanitizer, and you stroll
right down that room and you go in that room.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Once you're in that room, you didn't have to go
to the bathroom. Told us what happened in there. She
told us about you laying with her.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
She told us that you too had a relationship. She
told us that she likes you.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
That you bring her snacks, which is something you've mentioned
over and over again, that you bring her snacks, that
you talk to her, that you're there for her, that
you hugger. We go through the first version of this,
and you say that you've consoled her before. I watched
your interview when you went for your polygraph and you

(49:48):
talk to Nadia, And when you're there with Nadia, you
tell her that you've kissed her before, that you've kissed right,
you're remember that.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
We've made, you know, we've made with your mask on
loving them along?

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Is that still something that you should ever be doing
with a resident inside a memory care facility that you're
supposed to be taken care of.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Should you be kissing those residents? Gets underway? No, that's
not what you said.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
No, no, no, So listen, So what happened here? God
bless and I understand.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I know what's going on. I know what's happened. You
been in that room, she motioned for you, and you
went in that room, and you two have a sexual relationship.
There's no doubt. You can keep shaking your head, there's
no doubt in my mind that you do.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I fully believe she is consensual on it. I believe
the two of you have a relationship. I believe that
you're petrified about your wife or anybody else knowing or
looking down.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
On you, because I believe that you're that god fearing man,
and you try and do everything right.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
But I also know that you're a man, and you
have these compulsions and you have these urges just like
every other person out there. And when you have this
woman who you care about, that is there with you,
that is willing, that is laying with you and wanting
to do things with you, I know what happened. I

(51:18):
guarantee you used a condom and you had intercourse with her.
I've talked to her. She's not as bad of a
memory care patient as what you think. You've only worked
there for about a month. You've been there actually exactly
a month, because you started on December twenty third, and
that was on January twenty third. You had been there
exactly a month. She was able to tell me, and

(51:41):
I've talked to her that you two have had that
sexual relationship.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Now I get it.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
At first you lied to me, and then you've said, well,
I'm not proud about it, and you were lying about
going to the bathroom in a room.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
What you're doing is you're using that as a good excuse.
You think, oh, I'll tell them this because I shouldn't
do this, and it gives.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Me in a little bit of trouble, but not anything big.
And nobody looks down on me or thinks poorly of me.
But what actually happened when you went in that room,
when she.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Motioned for you and you went down there, You went
in and you and her were having intercourse. And then
what happened when you heard that knock on the door?

Speaker 4 (52:19):
You went in the bathroom and you were hoping that
they would leave, And then, no doubt in my mind, you.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Either flushed or you got rid of the condom that
you were using. You got rid of the stuff. And
the reason why I know this is because you're smart enough.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
To know not to get caught with that You know
how I know that you're smart enough to not get
caught with that condom because back in November of twenty eighteen,
you were right down the street here by Chick fil
A at the Sheridan of Mason, and you were working there,
and you were working there on a night with Chante
and another girl and two other black women.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
One's ahead nurse and one was another STNA or an assistant.
And while you where do you.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Said when November eighteen or November of twenty eighteen?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I believe it was actually November thirteenth.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I'm going off a memory, well, the thirteenth, the Sheridan,
Sheridan of Mason.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It's right by Chick fil A on Mason Montgomery Road.
That's where you worked.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I don't think there's any other God Bless whatever your
last name is, like guns out there, and you were working.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
There then, and they found you. You were out in
the common area.

Speaker 12 (53:30):
After you had just been found in another residence room
that was completely naked, and you nailed down in front
of her, and you claiming that she had soiled herself,
when there was no soiled diaper depends whatever it was
she had.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
There was no cleaning supplies, there was no nothing.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
And you were caught by the head nurse in that
room when she went in, kneeling down in front of
this woman.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Maybe it was right before you had done something, Maybe
you had already finished. I'm not sure sure on this
because unfortunately they didn't report.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
It to us.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
But what I do know for a fact is just
a short time after that, you were in the common
area and you know what fell out of your pocket?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
What fell out of your pocket? I've seen that little smirk.
What fell out of your pocket? Tell me what fell
out of your pocket?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
God bless, say it was you pull you know that
was that was a common packet and it was an
open one, right.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And then no, no, no no, And then they take.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
That they can try and do that from you, and
you become combative with them and say you can't question me,
you don't have that authority to ask me about that.
And then you tell them some story about how you're
wearing your son's pants.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
That is a total lie, total lie. Those aren't your
son's pants. I listened to your polydor.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
If you don't even have a son that's here around
where you would have those pants, that is a bullshit lie.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
That's what that is.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
All it is is you lyne to try and cover
up what you're doing, and what you're doing, you've got
a sickness.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I think that there's something that compels you to do this.
I think that you don't like it. You don't like
this about you. You know why I know this because
you love coming to talk to me. Do you know why?
Because you want help?

Speaker 5 (55:25):
That's what you want.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
No matter what I can call you and say, hey,
come and see me, and what you do today?

Speaker 4 (55:31):
You were in Kentucky when I talk to you yesterday
you drove back up. I said, will you come up
here and talk to me again?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
What'd you do? You came right here? Why did you
come here? Because you want help? You want this to stop,
and you can't do it on your own. CanYa. You've tried,
haven't you. You You've tried. You've tried to do it
on your own, but you can't do it. CanYa.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
What you want you want help, that's it, but you're
too afraid to ask for it. What you do every
time you come here is you're asking for us to
help you stop doing what you're doing because you know
that it's not right right, So what can we do

(56:17):
to help you?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Because I've got a whole list of other residents, other places, twin.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Tours, the main Otter bind and that's not a memory
care patient where you have done these inappropriate things, and
you come in here because you know you need help
to stop doing them right, sticking your fingers up inside
it every time you wipe her. She's a woman that's

(56:45):
in a wheelchair and you always want to take her
to the bathroom at Maineville water Bard.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
These are all the things that I know. And here's
what I'm trying to do for you, God blessed. I
want you to start from the beginning, and I want
you to tell me the truth and then I'll help you.
But if you lie to me, I'm not going to
not going to help you. You always ask me and
you say, brother man, Mike, help me right? That's what

(57:10):
you say, who asked for help? You're asking? I never
got it. I wasn't smart enough to pick up on it.
Every time on the phone, you would say, right before
we hung up, what's the last thing you would say,
brother man, Mike, help me right? Because that's exact phrase
you would say every time. And I never called on

(57:31):
that you were. I thought you were just being overly
nice and god loving man. I never called on and
never clicked that. Oh shit, he's asking me to help him.
That's what you're doing. You're asking me to help you.
You know what, Today's day, I'm going to help you.
So what I want to do is get the truth

(57:52):
so that I can help you.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of listening to it.
I'm tired of all of these lies. And you are too,
You're you're you're you're done with it. But you're obviously
not able to fix this on your own. Something is
making you where you want to do this and you
can't stop. I don't know what that is, but we

(58:14):
can find the right people to get you guided to.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
But we've got to make it stop because what's happening,
you know as well as I do, is not appropriate.
So the lies, I hate it. I hate lies. And
I've listened to tell you tell me so many of
them about how this went down. I've got the videos.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
We've watched these videos over and over again of everything
that's happened in these facilities because they keep all these
videos and you're just you're you're telling lies.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
So are you ready to let us help you? Are
you going to continue to try and lie? Listen to
me and hear me out. I don't know why with
this is to happen. If the one thingn't, how can
I show you I have never had a sexual See,

(59:09):
that's a lie. So you're lying, You're lying, You're absolutely lying.
You're a liar. I hate liars. You're lying.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
What you're doing right now is lying. You absolutely had
sexual intercourse.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I've talked to her that night. She told me what
you did. She is not lying. She doesn't have the
capability to make up a lie. She's like a small child.
She can't make uptilize.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Who can you? And if you continue to lie, what
that does to me is it makes me feel like
you're nothing but a predator. You're nothing but a deviant
predator who wants to do nothing but pray upon weak,
innocent people who can't defend themselves.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That infuriates me. That makes me so mad when there's
people that do that. So stop lying to me and
tell me the truth. I know the truth, which is
you have a relationship with me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I get it, and I guarantee you, because I don't
know the other women as well, but I guarantee you.
You probably brought them snacks, You probably were there for them,
You probably prayed with them, you probably listened to them,
You developed a relationship with them, each and every one
of them. Because you know why you got into this,
You know why you started doing this to begin with,

(01:00:28):
the whole reason in twenty fourteen you became an STNA
was to do what was to help people, right, That's
what you wanted to do, and that's what you're trying
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And then you know what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You start helping these people and you develop this relationship all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Of a sudden. Now you're not just oh, I'm helping
this person.

Speaker 13 (01:00:47):
Now you've got feelings for them, and then they developed
feelings for you, and then you end up doing something
that you think, man shouldn't be doing this, but you both.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
If they're happy, she's happy, you're happy. Right, But nobody
can find out because then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
If they do, then you get in trouble. You get
in trouble with your licensing, You get in those kinds
of trouble, right, that's what you're afraid of. Stop lying
to me if you want help, If you want my help,
like you've asked me every time I've talked to you,
then stop lying and just say you know what. I
had a relationship with her. Yes, she liked me, and

(01:01:25):
you know what she told me. She said he likes
me and I like him. So stop lying and tell
the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I'm not going to your wife or whatever you're concerned about.
I just want to know that this woman is not
a liar. She knows what's going on. And I don't
want you to be a predator.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Are you a predator?

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Are you some kind of evil monster, some demon that's
taken advantage of people?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Are you somebody who just loved her too much?

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
And you started to have feelings and you did things
that people who have feelings about each other do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Which is it? Are you a monster? Are you not?
Which is it? I knocked and one step?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Okay, so then tell me about the relationship and stop lying.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Don't lie?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Come on, I want to lie, aren't you. You know
my mom used to tell me when I was little.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
She used to say, tell the truth as fast as
you can, so you don't have time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
To think of a lie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
And some they live by it because they would tell
the truth as fast as you can. So you don't
have time to think of a lie, because you know what,
would people lie?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
It's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
You've got to think about it. You've got to try
and relive it. I watched you sit here and struggle.
I bet your stomach is so upset right now. I
bet you're hurting inside, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
I sit back here, and I tried to just keep
my mouth shut and stay back. I'm like, it's okay,
He'll be honest here a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
But I listen to you lie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
When you were telling her your story, I listen to
your lies, and I go, I can't take much more
of the lies because this man here, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Wearing his God is Good all the time, he's wearing
his Jesus stuff. He's wearing all of it. Every time
I've seen you and you've come in, and I'm like,
why is he Why is he doing all of this?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Unless and it never clicked until just a little while ago,
And I know he really wants my help, he really wants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
My health because I do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
And I'm trying to help you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But I'm not going to help a liar.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Because somebody that's going to sit here across from you
and lie to me like that, that's that's an evil person.
That's an evil person who's trying to decorate themselves in
something they're not. So if you're if you're not an
evil person, stop lying to me and be honest with me,
and I'll respect.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
You, I love you again, and I'll help you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
You got me, So tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
About the relationship with me. When did it start right
away or what? When? When did it happen in the
process of all this. You are absolutely right, that's certain

(01:04:18):
things you feel as shared m it happens and why
it happens, and how you get into it or carry
it away, you know, to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
You see, and you're looking at whatever will probably be
the consequence, scary, scary, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
You look at the dependence on you mm hmm, family,
the family, the marriage, the things that we go wrong
and everything.

Speaker 11 (01:05:04):
It looks like you are in the handle ready, yeah,
and all that. So IV, I'm laying it is all
these I understand. That's why you're lying, is because you're
worth about all those things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I know all these things because I can't imagine what kind.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Of life do you want to have where you're just
you're gonna have to try and lie and hide this
stuff from everyone who depends on you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Would they respect you more if you just told the
truth and said, listen, I had this relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
I'm certain that your wife, if she's had breast cancer
and suffering from it, she's probably not wanted to have
any type of sexual interactions. I know that the medications
that they're putting her on they completely shut her down.
The medications that she's probably taking for treatment of breast
cancer will probably make her to where she can't even

(01:06:06):
have an orgasm, So why would she even want to
have intercourse if she can't have an orgasm. Plus all
of that, you're a man, and now you're working with
other people who depend on you, just like family, who
you care about, who you're there with, and you fall
in love with those people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
You're a man of love. That's what you're going to do.
The very first time I met you, you told me
you loved me, and I spit. You told me I
love you like four times.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Do you remember that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Like who says that? And I thought, yeah, I thought
you were just some guy just acting like it. But
I feel like you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
No, no, no, acting like a fake like you just
say it all the time to anybody, But I feel
like you truly care about us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I think that you easily fell in love. What's Muriel?
That's why I think you see?

Speaker 14 (01:07:08):
Like I even told the you know, it was in
them of the traditions. Oh Nadia, Nadia, I so much like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Because she appeals to me to the way she is clean, cleaning,
in the sense that everything in happy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
Is in all the all rage and everything absolutely and
that mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
And she talks only her heart strings because she needs
you right. In fact, she said she even told me
mm hmm that how she wished she would always see
me every time. And the point is that guests, you know,
to me, is that the comfort and the friendship I

(01:08:11):
give to her get her back from depression, you know,
trying to wanting to to live, try to wanting to
you know, to express you know, herself, and all the
rest of them.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
You see, there is there is.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
A game, you know, the devil plays you know, and
someone you know regetting it is you are going to lose.
It is the problems you are going to confront, you know,
and all these things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
And I think that is why you know, the Bible
called him Father of all lives mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
And this is exactly and myself I supposed to even
know better, m hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
But I know that I am not a criminal and
I have never ded any grind.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
You're you're you're not raping in the sense of you're
not hurting these people, You're not doing anything like you know.
That's that when people hear these kinds of things and
they think of someone that's a criminal, they think of
someone who's doing some kind of violent, forceful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Don't You're not.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
No, You're laying with someone who you care about and
who cares about you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
There is a huge difference in that with the deboi today,
the one of doing h dis the one what you
said it. There is the facility wedded you know where
you say you know Wagner where you when you were
wipe her? We did that. It was at Outerbine of Mainville.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
You worked there in two thousand and twenty and you
were there up until September of twenty twenty, and then
you got asked to leave after she felt that you
were making inappropriate comments to her and you were touching
her inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
You mean at the Minuville Mainville. Yes, okay, I talked
to all of these people's see, that's why listened to me.
You know, you talk of the truth. Because Glinds not speaking,
I'm looked. He had a your voice. I'm here in

(01:10:44):
the loud voice. Do you know this that you're hearing
a lot the loud voice? Okay, okay. In that line
other day, you said, yeah, it is not true, that's
not true. That's no true. Okay, okay, okay. That's I

(01:11:05):
tell you what. I will believe you.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I won't believe you once you tell me about the
other things that I that I know are true, and
we talk about them, and I know that you're being
truthful because I need to know that you can be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Honest with me about the things that I know you're
lying about.

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
So you twenty third you laid with a wold be
good at gea I have never had.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
I said, if it is or taking undue advantage of anyone,
You're not taking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Advantage of her when she has feelings for you and
you have fec So say you're using those words because
you're an intelligent man. You speak bolt the languages I know,
I guess see in this is issue.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Now I respect you. I respect you a lot right now.
M hmm. For the fact that when I asked you
for help, I don't think you take it, you know, lightly,
I don't. Okay, Then in this you have to believe me.

(01:12:23):
The only place you have to you get it properly
because I'm lying m hm. And I'm telling you the
reason why MHM is the cause of but every other
one nothing any any time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
So you're telling me the only time you ever did
anything was none of the others you know yours, None
of the others are true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Look, if you come now to bring the world the truth.
You've got to bring your heart or believe in me.
So how many times how long was this relationship with
be honest with me. How many times did you and

(01:13:15):
her have the sexual intercourse of some time? How many times?

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
Number one, I never had sexual intercourse getting my breaking
my pennies into a vagina or taking my pennies into
her bannod or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
That never happened. That is not true. You tell me, tell,
let me tell you, tell, Let me tell you. The
only think I did when she had me mm hmmm,
I don't have breast.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I just pried. She she told me about that. She
told me prit venice to venice, do you mouth? Listen?
You know that you want to talk about that the
penis in her mouth? You know that she never even

(01:14:19):
did that? You were she was?

Speaker 15 (01:14:21):
She was?

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
She told me, she goes, I'm so ashamed, And I said,
why what do you have to be ashamed of?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
And she said I hadn't. I've never done that before.
I've never done that. And I was like, you've never
done what? And she said that was one of the
things she had not done.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Listen, if you want me to believe you about Mainville,
about twin Towers and about the Sheridan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
If you want me to believe you that the only
time you've had any type of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Romantic or I don't know any even in other word
to do to say, sexual contact with a resident, No, No,
And you want me to believe the only person that's
ever been has been, then you have to be honest
about what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Listen, you and I both know she is pretty good
and she's when I even went there, I asked him,
I said, how is she?

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
And they're like, she's the pretty sound of mine and
you just got to catch her on the right days.
And she when I talked to her, it was that
night you had just left the building.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
It was a Saturday night. You had just left the building.
They had just let asked you to leave, or I
would have spoke to you and talked to you that night.
We would have met then. And that was the first time.
And that was right after that, and what she told me,
that's what happened. You lay next to her, You had
vaginal intercourse with her.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
I know it and you know it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
And listen, you meant to me what the vagina in
tech was your penis and her vagina that is not
through Mac.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
If you want to believe it to it, believe this truth.
Don't believe what the ones, what the team tell me
what the truth is, because you've been lying a lot. No,
it's not. I told you know we are in defense
of the truth. Okay, I told you what. Oh tell
me that the impruvemn truth is that my pennies nell

(01:16:18):
and vagina of no harm mount did you put in
her Amus? And this no God is my weakness. That's
not true. Don't say that that's not true. But listen,
you're ask me for help.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
You keep asking me for no.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
No, no, no no, you keep lying, you keep flying
no lie true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
It is not true. It is you is like this.
No no, no, it is your will.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
You're telling me that whining about this relationship and how
much you canry lidship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I love your lie. Your listen. I'm not gonna listen
to a demon. I'm not gonna listen somebody who's going
to lie and be like that and not going to
do it. What you're doing now is lying. So what
it tells me, if you're gonna lie about this, then
everything that have none know everything to happen. Do let

(01:17:12):
all of that other them here do let the problem in? Yeah,
and the problem is the problem is that you're ashamed.
I understand. And then all the other part of the
problem is you have a wife, but.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
You also love and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
You're supposed to take care of and you have like
ten kids right here, ten kids. You have all of
these people who you don't want to let down, and
what you have done lets them down. And as soon
as you admit it and say this is what I've done,

(01:17:46):
now you know you've let them down. And you are
not a big enough man right now. You're big enough
to ask for help, but you're not big enough and
strong enough to get help. All you're wanting to do
is beg for help and then not take it when
it's right in front of you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
All you're willing to do is trying to sit there
and cower away from the truth and what really happened.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
And that's what you're doing. No, yeah, no, no, no,
I'm done with the lies, not lying. You and her
have sexual intercourse. There's no doubt in my mind. There's
no doubt in her mind she had a relationship with you,
and you're lying about it. Stop lying to me. We
have any mind into the air distant to me. The

(01:18:27):
discopances in this issue now, is that the US saying
that the Mapanies get into heavy and Mapanies get into
that mouth. That is not true?

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Then why would she say it?

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
I don't know, because right now, why were you in
the room for twenty two minutes?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Why are you lying about going to the bathroom? That's
that's all lies. Listen. I've got even I've got the
lab sheets back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
From the prime lab where when you collected samples from
the rape it and one of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
The things right here on it positive for acid phosphatate activity.
And I look at that, I go, what is that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Acid phosphatate? Phosphatase is found in semen?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
In the semen. That's what it says right there in
the labor report. So I look, so I can see
I am now, you know, telling you the truth and
you don't want to take it. Tell me the truth, start.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
From the beginning, telling the truth that I never put
my pennies in the DA did you put.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
In? What did you put in her vagina? I didn't
put any in? Oh my gosh, who wants health and
won't even try and take it? Oh Jesus why do
you continue to lie? But you're lying, You're lying, You're
absolutely lying. You have believed in Miriam and don't believe

(01:19:59):
in me. I'm sign. That's that's as Julie an idiot.

Speaker 7 (01:20:03):
You've lied about almost everything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
You're really good at lying. No really, no, no, you
really are. You're really good at lying. But the polygraph
caught you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
That caught you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
You were lying there, naughty, It caught you. Yeah, every
time you got a little the cheek goes up, that smirk,
you can't hide it.

Speaker 9 (01:20:20):
The I think I have never been through before, and
I believe you have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Now and I have not that, and you are a liar.
I think I think that no, pully Graf and you
have given little bits. So after you're called in a lie,
you always you're a quick thinker. You're fast.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Your brain works fast, it does, and you try and
think your way through things, just like when you were
here telling your story again today, your lie story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
That's all it was was lies.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
As you start going through it and telling your story,
you're quick at thinking and trying to explain things.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
When I watched you explain your story about how what
happened on January twenty third, was me, and I go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
Okay, that's what he said the first time, and what
he just said there, No, that's what I told him,
and he's using what I said in this story. Now,
you're really good at that. You're really good at in
your mingling all the things. Just like when you were
caught in the room and I said, well, why were
you in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
The room for twenty two minutes? What were you doing?
Why didn't answer the door? And you go, oh, I
had this great pressure. I know I was sitting right
next door to the bathroom, but I decided to walk
down the hallway and then use her bathroom. You also
told me when you first went in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
If you don't remember, because you don't, or you will
right here in a second, when you said you went
down to her room, you had to use your key
because you're sitting there and you're like, oh, I'm sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I realized I don't have my hand sanitizer, and I
get up and I go down and I take the
key and I lightly tap on her door.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
But I figured she'd be asleep, so I don't want
to wake her. So then I unlock her door and
I peek.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Around and she's in her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Bed and then I go in the bathroom and get
my hand sanitizer.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
And come out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
That was your very first story. So then when I say, well,
the door's open, she emotions for you and you go
down there. That's you trying to hide your.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
Relationship because you're like, I don't want him to know
that I've got a relationship with this woman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
So then once I say well, how come.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
You're in there so long?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
And you're like, oh, all that I can think of
is I had to go to the bathroom, because.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
That's only a good excuse I could come up with
in my head. But you come up with it, and
you're like, that's going to get me in trouble with
my licensing. And I'm sure that the traditions which they
don't ever want you back in the facility again, those
places are going to say don't want you back. But
you know what, that's a good story for Mike to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Maybe he'll fight on it because maybe this is his
first damn day working. But I tell you what, I
put all of that in my memory.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Bank, and sometimes it goes away and sometimes it comes back.
But when you're sitting there and I'm watching you and
I'm listening to you all, I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Hit me, I go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Yesterday, I was in a hurry. I was trying to
get off the phone with you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
Was trying to get off the phone, and you continually
kept on the phone, and you kept saying the same
thing over and over and help you help me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
You kept saying it, help me, brother man, help me, Mike.
That's what he kept saying over and over again. And
I kept saying over over again, Okay, I'll see you tomorrow.
I gotta go. I kept trying to rush you because
I was trying to get out the door to go
to a call. And it never sink in. And then
while you're sitting here and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Telling your lies, I go, you know what he's actually
what I thought to my saying, I thought, why is
he even no, no, no, listen, may why is he
even coming here to talk to me?

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
What it's because you want to help, but now you
won't take it because you're just under the lie. I
let me tell you. You don't tell me something that's
not a damn lie title lies. The point is that
you made over your maid not to take it. Give
me something that's the truth is that did mad thingies

(01:23:56):
never minims the Diana. No, I'm out. What was your relationship?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
What did happen? What did happen?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
She says.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
You laid in bed with her, you lay next to her,
you rub your breast beds. She says, you kissed and
licked her breast.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
That's this true, that's all.

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
That's not all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
That is all make please if you wanted to do it,
to think it, that's what it needs. No that what
that is is you trying to not have people look
down on you and think less of you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
What that is is a lie. So you can go
and say to your wife and to your family, this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Is all I did. I was weak, but this is
all I did. That's what that is.

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
That's what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
No, no, mathe, you're a liar, just like the Sheridan
with the gun around.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I'm gonna lie, don't we'd go later. We're gonna go
there because that that means I think should have happened.
Don't make me lose my faith because I know God
is stuck in to me through you.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Yeah, and I telling you to stop lying and do
the right things I do with them being but you
I'm not thinking it because when you did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
More than kiss and lick and rub her breast. You
absolutely did. And you know that, and I know that. Listen,
I sit here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
I listened to you when you've told me true stories.
I've sitting here and listened to you when you told
me lies. And one of the things I do is
I just I don't know how, but I was just
born with this where I can sit there and I
can eventually pick out when people are lying.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
And you've got it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
I'm like, right there, I see it right on the
side of your nose. If your hat's up a little more,
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
See it even better. And right there on the right side,
I see it every time when that cheek comes up
when you're getting ready to lie. I don't know. I
don't know about dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
I see it every time you tell little I would
to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
You, Mike, I am talking you know through God right now,
who knows the truth, and so do you, so do I.
And this is what I am saying.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Please don't think or make up your mind what to
believe before you look for the truth. The truth here
now is that I told you.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
The problem why I lie of all this is and
it is more than a l for me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
I don't know whether to commit suicide or to do
a distance because I can understand it, because when I
hear the you know girl's voice from your voice, then
I'm coming out with exactly what it is. I did
not put my tennis in, I did not put my

(01:26:54):
pennies in her mouth, and just appressed I kiss him out.
If there's anything in me, it's through all it is
s us. I'm not happy to say it, but I'm happy.
I know I like her a lot.

Speaker 15 (01:27:16):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
If I have a chance, if I have a chance
outside job to how that as is a friend or
my wife, I.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
Will because she appeals to me her make up, of
the cleanliness, the arragiment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
And every every other there it's short. I love that woman.
I believe that I love her.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
I am now telling God and he knows I love
that woman because she appeals to me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
That is mine. That's now things I like in a woman.
M But unfortunately I met Miriam in that place that
I have hands crossed and all that, but she or

(01:28:15):
all the time I have been a caregiler, I have
never had everything know, any sexual disional appeal with anybody anywhere.

Speaker 9 (01:28:29):
If you hear that, then tell them is a lie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
It's not God bless because why this woman catched me
so much.

Speaker 8 (01:28:42):
Is what.

Speaker 15 (01:28:44):
I don't know that made me, you know, go that far,
and I've become so much I share afraid knowing you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
What, I'm going to lose what I'm the people like
you said, I'm going to disappoint.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
And I have never done it before. I have never
never done it before because I've been moving with a
lot of people in my life. I never had that catch,
you know, that called that likeness like I had in
that woman, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
When I went into her room and saw how she
kept things and how she is clean, how to arrange
things in your self. I always do quarry over with
my wife, you know, for that you know kind of thing.
It isn't meat too much. So this then, you know,

(01:29:51):
jump on me and count most of me m to
the point that you know, I I was carried away
and by the time I know it, I have done
something which I am absolutely caught. But for somebody to

(01:30:14):
take that to join all that is, I'm telling you
it's not me. It's not true. Because I am talking
to you, I am talking to God. I have talked
to God himself. He knows the truth, and he knows
I'm telling you the truth. This is my compeession and

(01:30:38):
each time I call you, and this is why I'm
going to respect you to the last day of my life.
That you have been able to understand. And I think
it is God himself who made it possible for you
to understand that I need your help. You're absolutely true,

(01:31:03):
I mean and did the help I need. M I
am I am not abredito.

Speaker 8 (01:31:12):
I am not a able man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
That's what it looks like when you lie, though, But
I'm look, I am not lying now. I have professed
to you why all this like him and the fight
of all lies has won. You have caught over me.
I lied now I'm not going to lie anymore because

(01:31:34):
I have had the voice of God. You're true when
you are speaking. It is only a person who do
not know God that do not know when he talks
when he speaks, because He himself knows me. Fo you well,
I know my wickedness. He created me hm, So if

(01:31:57):
he could to talk to me through you, then I
don't have to be afraid.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
Of this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
All that is but to tell you the instrument he
used to make me realize that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
To you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I am not like you know everybody. That person I
think that you use is someone said, you know, weakness
in order to make it to destroy him, you know,
to you know, to kill him and all the rest
of that. Because if anything happens to me, it doesn't
happen to me or the it happens to me with
that love of it happens just like that with everyone. Everyone.

(01:32:36):
That's everyone evinced everyone. So those things, those choices.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
That you made, it's not only affecting you. They've affected us.
They're affecting your wife. It's trying to affect your children,
and it affects everyone. You're absolutely right if they listen.
I believe you're you're finally we're taking baby steps. We're
taking baby steps because.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I believe you on some of the things. I was
not there when this happened. I was not in that room.
There was only two people in that room, and that
was you and your No you mean not too three?

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
What are you talking God? Yeah, if you're going to
say God was there, then you also have to believe
that Satan was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
There, because it would be that was the way he
talked to you. So I was not there to see
with my own eyes, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Yeah, I have to go off of what I'm told,
what evidence I'm able to gather, and what things I'm
able to see. Yeah, and this woman says that more
happened than what you said. But she did not say
God Bless forced me. She did not say God bless
made me do this. She literally started out and she said, he.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Likes me and I like we have a relationship. And
then she told me about all the kind things you
had done.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
When I was listening to her talk, it was like
listening to someone described going out on dates with someone.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
It was like someone describing when they have been dating someone.
That's true, these facts and those things.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
So all that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
And she says, we said, what happened that went in
that room?

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
And she told me she told Sarah, remember Sarah right,
And she told Josephine. Three people that night she told
the same thing at different times, all three of us.
She told us that you came in that room with
her because she wanted you there, and that you laid
with her, and that the two of you had sex,
or that you had that relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That listen, listen, listen. So here's where I'm at. Here's
where I'm at you all these lies.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
There's been a lot of them, and I know you're saying,
now we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
You've lied. You lied, I went to the bathroom.

Speaker 8 (01:35:01):
You lied.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Oh there's so many lies that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
It makes it hard for me because I don't know
there's any reason for Muriels will.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Be lying about it. So listen, but you you have reason,
all those reasons we've talked about the.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Family, the fear that all that stuff to lie about it, right,
And just like when I confronted you with why was
you in there so long? And then you said, well,
I was using the bathroom. Now, when I confront you
and I say, listen, God bless, you were in that
room and you did this with her and we know
it and this is what's it. Then you go, we
know what I did kiss and I did lick her

(01:35:36):
breast and rub her breast.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
But then now you're hum up. You're stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
You don't want to tell the rest of it because
then it makes you look worse.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I understand, maybe you do, but it I don't. Maybe
we do, it doesn't it makes you feel bad.

Speaker 9 (01:35:49):
It may really about that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
No, no, no, listen, but what you're doing is you're
making you're going from okay.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Now we're down that relationship. Now you're just it's like
being on a date. It's like when I listened to
her talk, I feel like I'm listening to the kids
talk about and they're going to drive in movie or
something and they're sitting in the car and they're making
out or they're doing something, and it just leads one
thing to the next.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
But then you stop it right here and you've changed it,
and you go, no.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
It only stops right here at the breast. It instantly changes,
it stops and it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Now I feel like it's lies. So we're veering off
the road. And now what it makes me say is
you know what, Now we're going to predator thing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Now he's in defense mode, God bless us, just lying
again because he's trying to defend himself because he doesn't
want to look bad. He doesn't want to feel bad,
so he's trying to defend himself. And now we're going
to where you know what, is God bless just the predator?

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
Is he somebody?

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Is he somebody that's going to all these many memory
care for slaves having sound Ye And I'm lucked. I'm
doing with your boys on God, I'm talking with reason.
No no, don't do it. You go some things that
go to don't go bab Sheridan The Sheridan November of
twenty eighteen. That you don't want to talk about that

(01:37:06):
because you know that when group why was that? I
ain't raps You're not. Why was that condom wrapper in
your pocket? Because that found I would that be my nephew.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
No, let's see see now see you were you were
getterady say son again you did that whole face thing
with a lot did you see it?

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
You see it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
None? No, no, no, you're you're good. No no no
no no no no no no no no no no
no make the horrible horror.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Un I'm not I'm not even any people being put
through your seat. What I'm judging you on, I'm not
even judging you because I don't judge. I try my
best not to judge people. Of What I'm basing my
facts on is the fact that you told two people
when they found that condom wrapper, and you're when it
fell out of your pocket and you pushed one of

(01:37:57):
them away to try and pick it up before they
could get to it. When you got that coming wrapper
and they started questioning about it. You said that you
were wearing your son's pants.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
That is when they clothed it what they clothing because
you say you twisting the truth, because you agenated the
truth and just s you wood n some a nephew,
because for me, my nephew is my son.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
I'm an indu. Way. We are not able to help
you when you're lying, because that's a lot. But I'm
not lay my mind. No, I'm not. You wouldn't very
hot and was in your pocket because you had been
in there with this woman and her everything she come dude, No,
yes you were. You were in that room with her
completely merry. I don't think anything happened there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
You probably think you got caught before it happened. I
think you had that moment of weakness, and I think
it happened that you got caught before it happened. Oh
my god, I'm glad you would lay using this way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
You see, you know you keep lying to them. Is
not you're lying to me about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
I believe where I don't believe you. I'm telling you
that you did more than lick and kiss and touch
her b Yes you did.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
No, absolutely, Look.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
You make this an easier for me because I had,
you know, good voice in the advice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
If you are using it, you know to put on
me it is I know that is not true. That's
a lie. It is life, you say, But bum is
nothing lie. I don't know what it's going to take
with you because.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I really didn't realize until it's a hundred points Listen,
don't do I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Mean when when you bring a.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Highland on laying on that you and her lay together,
and I believe your penis was in her maybe not
even that, I maybe not that, but it has been
you have had sexual intercourse.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Was I know that? And you know that you have
had sexual intercourse? What you two have made love? You're
in love with that woman and in love with you.

Speaker 16 (01:40:10):
Please, Lord, please help me help me here. I have
but I have taken my pennies.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Lord, yournoyed into her visa, into her mouth.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
Don't give me anything I desire. Please help man to understand.
That's that's let no, no, let's you kind of you
kind of want what you just want?

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Of what who you want? To believe? I am telling
you because I am the better. You have been the
only one who has lied to me. I like you,
I don't know what, and I think you have forgotten.
You're forgetting I ask you for forgiveness. I absolutely forgive you.
I if you ask me, don't bring.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
What I'm trying to help you with is I don't
want people to look at you as that predator, as
that evil spirit person who is going to every memory
care facility you can work at, everyone you work at,
because there's been four places, right, four places that I
know of that you have worked at where you have

(01:41:19):
been accused of having some kind of sexual contact or
conduct with someone one of the residents, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
They have all of the memory care people.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
So listen, you know that makes it look like that
you are nothing but a predator. You got your STNA
license not to help people, but to put you in
command of them so that you could take advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
And do what you wanted to do. That's what it
looks like. And I don't believe that. I don't believe
that with you. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
I truly believe that you got into this because you
love and carepe I really do. I don't think that
you did any of this out of any evil, mischievous saying.
I truly believe that you and are in love with
each other. And I think that you had made love
to her, And I think that you're so afraid of

(01:42:11):
your wide law. And once you're so afraid of is
the fact that you are married and that you have
a wife, and that if you have gone to the
whole point of doing that, how does that make you look.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
I think that's what you're afraid of. I think that's
what you're afraid of.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
If I put my wait, if I put my pennies
in a vega and put them out and link, you know,
link have pressed Hey, I kiss that breast, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Think the same thing something, the same thing to the
same thing with my wife, be putting my pennies into
ave I didn't do it. I don't supposed to take
the name of my god in vain, in the name
of j Jesus Christ. I didn't want to. I did

(01:43:00):
do that. I didn't put my venise in her mount.
My babies did not even come out out of my
pant He never came out for editing. So how would
I put it in a da put it put it

(01:43:21):
in her mount?

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Where were you when you were tell me about kissing
and licking and rubbing her breast?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Were you laying in the bed together. Where were you?
This was all that night? This was that night? Correct?
That was that the night we're talking about January third,
that's that's do what he did. That's the only time
that ever happened. So was you laying in the bed
with her like she said? Or where was that? Where
did it happen? It happened at the edge of the bait.

(01:43:50):
This is bait. Okay, this is the head. This is
a foot. Did the foot? Was she laying down?

Speaker 8 (01:43:58):
She's sitting there?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
It wasn't laing that she wasn't explained to me. I
don't know whether this ladies.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Okay, So she's said in her next that's all. And
so you're rubbing her breaths and then you want been down.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
That's what you didn't get out of this area? Do
you understand? But one thing is satin that when I
said I went to the tarlet, I did h It
wasn't a lie that I had that praisure and I
used all of that without talking about the other one.

(01:44:45):
Please believe me, So in all this I apologize. Please,
I'll polase. Sorry. So let's go give me, okay, forgive me?

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
And it is by you know God's inspiration mm hmm.
That ill acts you always to help me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
You asked every fut and this is the same you know,
time and the same way as God, because even ask him,
I have to ask what did you do after you left?
On that day? Generation my third what did you do
when you left? When they ask relief, what did you do?
Where did you do? What did you do? I left

(01:45:42):
and I was so distopped. I was so afraid, disappointed,
disappointed and afraid, you know, and that shame inside me.
Then I drove straight to the church. Which church? Who
you tell me? Where's that? Middle of time? The door

(01:46:08):
of the choice was locked.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
But I went to the side of Cycrist mm hmm,
the side of Sacrist. Wheready put the you know, the
childe and all the rest of them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I did down there. I cried, I asked God to
forgive me and asked him to help me. And I
even confess to him that this woman I like him.
I love it. Not that I love that I feel.
I feel it inside me. I don't know what it is.

(01:46:46):
But now we are on the plate of truth. Mm hmmm.
Because if I had known you as someone who use
so was a weakness against him, M, I didn't tell
you what it is. But since I didn't know that

(01:47:07):
God spoke to you, I do not like to God
who knows exactly who I am and what I did. Mhmm.

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
So after that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Then I went home. What time did you get home,
like a normal time? He put it from work or no,
because they were because they because I had, you know,
I left India. So what did you tell your wife? No,
I didn't tell you what.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
I didn't tell my wife, and I didn't tell anybody
editing I was telling myself.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I was he I didn't know if your wife noticed
you been home earlier, asked you why you were home or.

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
No, no, no, no, but even I am. Even at
that time when I went home, she was not back yet.
She's still a hospital or wherever she No, I think
she was in the senior Sino. We seniors, you know,

(01:48:13):
going for dinner and have a happy hour. So were around.

Speaker 6 (01:48:26):
You know something that I do there because she normally
goes there after church, because she has stilled it, you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Know, isn't the church. She is about how long have
you been married? When did you guys get married? Twenty twelve?
So she is about say, year you came. That isn't
that the year you came to the United States? So
you came to the United States? And then did you
know her before you came? Yeah? Through you know, through
my friends. She used to tell me about that, okay,

(01:48:55):
And so when we as soon as you came to
the United States, you guys got married. No, No, we're
a couple of months ago, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
So h.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
What was I saying before you asked me that she
was out? She was out?

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
So when she, you know, when she came back, you're
gonna I think I've already doze off and things like that.
Mm hmm. But this, you know, continue.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
The person I have been punishing was myself mm hmm,
because I have never done anything of this type before,
and I have never met anybody that captured me, you
know this way mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Then I started even praying for her, because if Miriam
is able to, he is able to, you know, come
out of the facility and be on her own.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Then I will still go to see her and tell
her how much I feel for her, because what I
felt inside be mm hmm. I don't know why, I
don't know how it came the way I see I

(01:50:28):
saw her, the way she is organized, and the way
she is clean, it appears to me so much. So
I'm really sorry Mike, the other person.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
You have to be sorry to yourself, because I have
been sorry about myself.

Speaker 5 (01:50:52):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
So there's a couple of other things I want to
talk to you now. So also traditions.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
During the same time, when you were there that same Saturday,
there was a patient there by the name of.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Do you remember.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
She had only been there for like two weeks, She
had just come in and she was a COVID patient
that you were tasked with taking care of. You had
even spoke to her friend or power of attorney caregiver,
I don't know what. You would call her on the
phone once and told them when you were building a
walker for her.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Do you remember building or putting together like.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
A walker or something maybe in her room for her,
And then you talked on the phone with her caregiver.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Came in and said some similar things, only there was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
No intercourse, there was no but she said that you
would rub her breast and rub her vagina.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Me, yes, it is Dadisha. At this on the same night,
we believe it was probably even maybe the same. My god, yeah,
what thing do I have to do? All of these
jo a lot of time? Jonn't dinner over sixteen hours
a day. Don't be through a warm woman to do that.

(01:52:17):
I mean, it's the rooms are right there next to
each other. Oh no, no, Mike, make this this has
you know, he's taking some you know, some get rid
of addictions. I know. That's that's why when I look
at this and I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
On the outside and I'm looking in, and I hear
about and I hear about at uh Mainville who's saying
that every time you want to take her to the
bathroom and take her out of her wheelchair, and every.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Time you would go to wipe her, you would stick
your fingers. Oh my god, yeah it did.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
And then I hear about a lady, an elderly lady
that is a memory care patient at Twin Towers in
Cincinnati that has reported the same thing. And then I
find out about what happened over here to Sheridan back
all the way in twenty eighteen. There was November of
twenty eighteen, and we still haven't cleared that up. It

(01:53:13):
makes me think, am I sitting here in front of
a man.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Who has finally telling me the truth and.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Being honest and just trying to move past this and
trying to heal himself or listen, or am I sitting
in front of somebody who is being very deviant, being
very deceptive and trying to hide the true person that
he is and I'm trying to trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Well, there's moments.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
There's moments when me and you were going back and
forth when I'm like, this guy's a good guy. He's
absolutely in love with Muriel, and it would have this
is what happened, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
And then another part of me that says, what about
this other stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:54:01):
What about this.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Condom wrapper in the pants.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Pocket, the him kneeling in front of this residence with
no clothes on, no gloves on, no nothing to clean,
no stuff or cleaning up, if somebody has had an
accent and soiled themselves and calling the room like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
And then now you want to tell me nephew now,
And you're like, well, that's what I call my nephew
as I called my son and all these different versions.
If that was the case, if you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Call him your son, then to me when we were
just talking, you wouldn't have said my nephew's pants. You
would have said my son's pants. And what you do
is you try and mold what you can get to
fit it. And it makes me think that you're truly evil,
like you're a bad person, because I still think there's

(01:54:56):
more with I still believe there's no way her, three
different people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Telling the story. I still think there's more there. Now.
Had you told me, yeah, this is what happened with
her and you will see, then I then I would
then I'd be like, you know what, Probably nothing happened there.
Maybe those are just it is, But but I don't.
It doesn't make sense. It just like anybody, anybody, anybody
listening to it. It just doesn't make sense. Mike. You're

(01:55:24):
a policeman and you a trend in what you do
as a detected don't bring it imputies. I'm not. No,
I'm not. I'm bringing anyone, anyone, anyone here's you tell anyone.
I said, listen, God bless, this is what we know.

(01:55:45):
Is we agreed, you know, to come on the develop
the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:55:55):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
Now you are bringing is I know I didn't do
And if you believe in God, see if if you
believe in believe in God.

Speaker 6 (01:56:10):
I've told you by the name, I told you something
and I'm seeious about it. That enough, that would be enough.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
For you to believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
See, I say, I have to believe what is common sense.
I've got two eyes and two ears for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
And okay, and what I'm seeing, what I'm here. I
have talked to those nurses.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
I spoke with the head charged nurse that was there
that night that caught you in the room at the
Sheridan Sheridan, Shardan and Mason, right down the road from
where we are now. She is the one who called
you in there. This woman is smart. She's very smart.
She's articular.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
She can remember. She remembered right off the date everything.
She she's on top of it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
The reason being is because she knew bad things happened
and she was not happy about it. She knew and
she got a bad feeling. She even told me from
the very beginning. She said, when you started working there,
that you would come over and you would say things
that were kind of flirty and almost inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
And she was sassy. She was a sassy woman. And
she says, you know what I told you right from
the beginning. We're not gonna have any of that stuff.
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
You come here and you do your work. And she
knew and she got a feeling from you. I've not
had that opportunity. I've not been outside of you know,
sitting in a room with you talking to you. I've
not worked with you or been around to be able
to have that. But she had a feeling about you
that it was just not good. That's the perception I got.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
And then she catches you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
She sees your walkinness resident up and down the hallway,
and I for life, we can't remember the residence name.
She sees you, and she questioned you on it because
it seemed to abnormal. And then later when she can't
find you, she looks around and she goes, where's that residence?
She's normally out here in common area, and oh, guess
what else is missing you? So she goes straight to

(01:58:10):
that room. And if you remember, they got those little
round keyfo of things right that open the doors. You
remember those, You just touch on it and opens all
the residence doors. No no keys, It's just like a
little dondle or a key card. And she opens that
door and she says, to me. What she sees is
this woman standing near.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
The foot of her bed, completely naked.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
You are on your knees facing this woman, right in
front of her, and in your left hand you're holding
her depends or pull up or you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
The adult diaper, that she one of those that is clean.

Speaker 4 (01:58:43):
You have nothing in your right hand. There are no
cleaning supplies around, she said.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
When she asks you what you're doing, you say.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
That this resident had soiled herself and you're cleaning her up.
She tells you that she will take over and that
you can go ahead and leave.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
You leave the room. She checks this resident out, looks
at her.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
There's no nothing in the trash cans, nothing anywhere where
you would have cleaned up where she had soiled. There
was no soiled, dirty laundry, nothing there, nothing that you know, wipes,
no cleaning supplies where you would have been cleaning her.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
She then comes out and later in the night, what
does she do. She catches you with a condom wrapper,
a wrapper, no condom in it, a condom wrapper. It
falls out of your pocket and when you notice it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Falls to the ground, you try to get it as
one of the other aids try.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
To get to it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
She says, you literally push this aid back so you
could pick it up. And then you become very confrontational.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
And you tell them they can't question you, they don't
have the right to ask you about that. And then
you finally tell them that you're wearing your son's pants
and that must be how that condom rapper got there.
She went back to that room, and she searched that room.
She even looked under the mattress because she knew.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
Something had happened, that condom rapper had been used, and
she searched.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
She even looked in the back of the toilet for
where you might.

Speaker 8 (02:00:21):
Have hit it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
This was in November of twenty eighteen. And you know what,
they never reported that to the police. The manager there
is fired. They fired him.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
Do you remember Stewart Stuart knew weren't there. They fired
him because they squashed it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
They didn't report it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
They ended up getting investigated and I think got fine.
And they never reported it to us.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
And you thought, and maybe it was the.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
First time for you, because that was all the way
in twenty eighteen, and he thought that was easy enough.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
I mean, I got caught with the wrapper and I
got away with it.

Speaker 9 (02:00:57):
I got away with it. Yet thought you got away
with it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Jez No, no, no, no, that's not gonna help you.
You thought you got away with it, and you didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:01:06):
You didn't get away with it because I'm not gonna
let the evil take over what I think is a
good man.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
I'm not gonna let that take over. And when I'm
not gonna do it, and you lied, and you think
you're getting away with all that, but you're not.

Speaker 4 (02:01:22):
And what I mean by being away with it, you
have to live with yourself. Eventually, you're gonna have to
tell your wife this is the mistakes I've made, or
this is what's happened, and your family is going to know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
I can't save you from that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:36):
All I can do is say, you know what, now,
he's an honest man and he's doing the right thing.
And I can help you with that, and I can
do that, but I can't change it. You're gonna have
to face up to the music of what you've done.
And in twenty eighteen, I think that was when you
probably got your first Oh, I could get away with this,

(02:01:56):
and then you started doing it more.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
I do believe that you loved me.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
I believe that you had a relationship with her, and
you know why, I believe that because she cared about you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
I believe she cares about you like she liked you.

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
You would bring her snatch you and you were interested
in her, right, You ask her what she liked or snacks,
all those things you brought her, those things.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
You cared about her.

Speaker 4 (02:02:19):
You went out of your way to make her happy.
Because I think you fell in love with her. I
absolutely believe that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
But I believe you had lapse in judgment and you
had moments of weakness, and.

Speaker 4 (02:02:32):
I believe it started right down the street here with.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
That woman that don't believest.

Speaker 9 (02:02:41):
That makes your ridic you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
I think you as the man who always believed it. Yeah,
that's everything I just said is the truth. And you
know how, I also know because you sat there and
you just listened.

Speaker 11 (02:02:54):
You knew.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
You sat there and I watched you. You relived what
had happened. Everything I told you about that, everything I
said was that true. Everything that you got called you
were in that rank is not true. You were never
in that right. We're not woman naked.

Speaker 6 (02:03:09):
We had trained, we had trained, we had trend, you know,
to be silent when someone is talking m what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
You know, tell me how that would be? No, no, no,
don't don't. Don't try and change here, No, no much
change anything.

Speaker 4 (02:03:22):
Tell me what part of the what I just said
have for share and tell me what part of that
is not true?

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
So I don't know that is no true? Mike, you
didn't have a kind of wrapper with you. I held it.
You know you fell off from your pocket. Do you
know why I want to find that I.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
Did because we got about to hear a lie? Yeah, okay,
tell me my go ahead, come on, let's see. No,
I don't you know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
You know you're coming. You're coming.

Speaker 8 (02:03:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:47):
I'm tired of the lies. No, you good pointed that
you said that you've forgiven me. I want to tell
you your lies. I mean, you're coming up with it.
You know he didn't stop telling the lies, so I
can bet all with it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:00):
Stop telling the lie, Stop being a bigger man, Stop lying.

Speaker 2 (02:04:05):
Stop. Your mom gave you to the years old six
years old? Right you you said a six years old?
Your mom gave you to the church. That's what you said. Yes,
that's what you said. Is that not true? It's true?

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
Who was your father figure? What do you who was
around for you, who was your father figure growing up?
Because you lived all always? You know, what did something
happen to you? Because that's one of the things.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
Talk to my partner Jerry, remember Jerry, you like him
a lot too. Yeah, And we talked, and I go,
what made him go down this path? Because this is
a good man. That is something has changed? What made
this happen? And and we've talked about it. You didn't
go down about something. I didn't do that fat was
was you? Because you are to investigating them. You will

(02:05:04):
talk to people. They tell you what they want and
do you believe it? And now the one I told
you the truth? Then you know I joined them all
this is that is not how to treat you know, someone,
five people, five people, and you're saying only one of
them you kissed and lifted and rubbed your breaths. You

(02:05:24):
one a one out of five? Yes, and it doesn't
seem like nons I'm saving it on your face on
the face of God. Yes, you're lying. I'm not lying.
But do you I killed him me? You're you're saying
that it never happened. What reason does Listennurse have to
lie about what happened?

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
In the show to ask me, I said, why would
she lie about them?

Speaker 5 (02:05:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
I scared she didn't come seeking me out. I went
and found them because if they didn't know that, if
this is true, she knew it. Because she knew it,
she reported it to all the people she should.

Speaker 5 (02:06:00):
She was upset.

Speaker 4 (02:06:01):
Matter of fact, the other aide got fired because she
got so upset she exploded.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
On the business on the manager over there because they
didn't report you. She was so upset that they didn't
report you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:13):
They fired her and actually had our deput's going as well,
and she reported.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
It to the state because you know it is that
I did the act. No, you did the act, because
I've got two people from there who says it. I
got one that walked in the room and saw you.
Do you wait? The way we've been to all this
is it is enough. You don't do a rebuilt the case,
but you do look to report it because it didn't

(02:06:39):
know I'm making these off. But they kind of look
defended because it does look through, Mike, it is not through.
Which is it your your nephew, your cousin, your aunt, looked,
your aunt, your uncle? Whose pants were you wearing? Whose
pants do you have on right now? They did see that?
Cause sign whose pants are on right now? Are these
your pants? Or whose pants you wear? This is because

(02:07:00):
now he's is there any conor wrappers in the pockets
you had to put his money? Got sad to me?
I see you did.

Speaker 4 (02:07:07):
I'll just I just want to know what you say
it because we're getting to that point where I'm getting
frustrated with the no no all you were doing.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
No no no, you're lying no no no, no no no,
because don't go back to your wood?

Speaker 6 (02:07:19):
Because lying no, don't go back to your wood? Is
that I like to you, I apologize. I'm just said
you're forgiven me, and now you have put in the.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
Game of it the detective on me.

Speaker 5 (02:07:35):
You're you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
You tell me the whole truth, and I absolutely that
you don't how to do it. That you need to
forgive yourself for what.

Speaker 4 (02:07:43):
You've done, because you know what you've done is wrong.
I believe that, like you said, if you were not
in that facility and you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
Who knows, there's no way. Actually there's other people that
say the same thing.

Speaker 6 (02:08:02):
I've never felt anything for anybody. I've never taken advantage
of anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
I have never even used a condom on anybody. I
don't even like condom. I don't even like it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:18):
M which says, why would somebody use a condom unless
they're trying to hide something being don No.

Speaker 2 (02:08:25):
Okay, I don't know, because I don't. I don't. I'm
not interested in that. That point, I would add belongs
to my mend old son because what's his name?

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
His name is Jared Jed. Where's where's Jared live? Where's
Jared live?

Speaker 5 (02:08:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
Is in.

Speaker 4 (02:08:52):
Western Virginia, West Virginia. Where was he being in twenty eighteen? Remember,
I said, My mom used to say, tell the truth
as fast as you can, so you don't have time.

Speaker 2 (02:09:03):
To think of a lie. When you're thinking of a lie,
you're not known to be die. But you're learning that
you're lying. You know you're lying, that you're doing that.
But stop lying.

Speaker 5 (02:09:13):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
But that I looked used to all these uses different.
You're not used to somebody calling you out on your lies.
No no, no no no. You're used to being able
no no no. What you're used to it it does.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
What you're used to being able to do is you're
used to being able to go to people and go
my name is God bless and God bless you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
I love you, and you're used to being.

Speaker 4 (02:09:33):
Able to use that and people going, you know what,
I don't want to offend this guy. I don't want
to He's.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
Got to be a good guy. I don't want to
make him mad because I'm afraid of what might happen.
But I can promise you I know where I'm going, and.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
I know exactly what kind of man uses that kind
of stuff and puts that persona out there as somebody
who's hiding something else. And you're an absolute liar more
than what happened with it absolutely happens.

Speaker 2 (02:09:59):
You're a lie.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
Know you're a liar, and you're lying to yourself because
you're afraid. You don't want to get in troubled.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
That's what it is. You're trying to forget yourself.

Speaker 4 (02:10:07):
You're saved save myself mode definite in begging save yourself
by tell me it's the truth, Livy, keep.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
Begging in the name of the leads. You're lying to me.
Are you helping me? I'm not.

Speaker 5 (02:10:20):
I can't help a liar.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
But you I you lie? You are I confiss to you.
I'm just say you forgiven me. You you.

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
You you lessen everything. You lessen everything is all. It's
a little lesson. That's it's a little lesson. Those are lies.

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
It's lies.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
You're trying to make it not sound as bad. It's okay,
it's just it's okay. If I just liked and kissed
and rubbed your breast, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
That's what you're gonna do. Make mag it. Come on, go,
come on, let's don't do it. Don't this situation. That's
why I keep asking for the way are you using?
You know, gimes on me. I'm not using again you are.
I'm using fact. You are things I know to those facts,

(02:11:06):
not all the fact that truth, because we are on
the truth. So shady done. They confronted me that the
the band I will to walk is not the self
color the facility used to were by the eggs. Okay,

(02:11:28):
I don't have that, but I discovered that defends my son,
my nephew left in my house.

Speaker 15 (02:11:37):
Was that color?

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
I too that you know that band?

Speaker 4 (02:11:42):
I WoT that you have learned so well at being
able to tell a story.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
It's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
It's phenomenal because what you did, all that hesitation when
I ask you where he lived at the time, and
all that you were.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Thinking of, how can I get that? Is that is
the metal you dives?

Speaker 9 (02:12:04):
You know, yes, you know to tell lies, but I'm
not telling you.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
I'm won't tell you lies. He left them in your
in your house or your apartment. He left his pants there,
and that's what you wore when he can What does
he do for when he came? What does he do
for a living?

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
What does he do?

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
What Jared? He said? What does Jared do? Is it
an engineer? An engineer wearing scrubs? I don't know he
walks in the engineers wear scrubs and I don't know.
I'm I google that engineers where scrubby talking about the

(02:12:42):
color of the pants. The plant is not a strong point.
Is the number of plant like this, It's a number
of part like this is not a scrub pint shared.
Don't sit down your phone. I don't want your phone.
You see. So I got that I want because it correspond.

Speaker 4 (02:13:00):
All they said there. They said they were a light
colored pair of like scrub pants.

Speaker 2 (02:13:04):
Is what I would That idea was not this thrub
bind It's just the claw. But he's just in on
my fink. You see when we on this spinning it
just keep spinning it. Don't don't say that we are though.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
I feel like none of I feel like like like
if we think about it, like what you're doing, all
of this is like the toilet and you're like hanging
on to the ledge and it's swirling going down and
you can either take a hand and come up out
of it, or you can go on down with the
rest of the ship. When you keep pick out what
you want to do.

Speaker 2 (02:13:39):
Please please messy on me, because all this is. You
don't know how much. You've asked me that too. You said,
have mercy on me, how you give me?

Speaker 4 (02:13:50):
You tell me all these things because you know and
you've done I can't but I can't do that. You
have to do that for yourself. But you have to
help yourself. You the only reason why I've asked you.
And if I say, hey, come up here and talk to.

Speaker 5 (02:14:05):
Me, you come.

Speaker 17 (02:14:06):
You could get up and leave it any time. You
can do all of those things and you show up.
I could probably call you again tomorrow and say, hey,
come here and talk to me, and you're gonna come
because you want help.

Speaker 2 (02:14:18):
You want somebody to make you stop doing this and
I know that I know that that didn't is that
I didn't realize that did it. No, it's not the
wrong thing to want to do. It's not that to
make But if you want to make me a criminal,
what would make you a criminal? Wait? Make him know
that what make you a criminal is if you are

(02:14:38):
planning this and you were doing these things, not because
you care about you got it did not because don't
even got it on just because I did. Then to
do all of this, you said, I go f do
what I did with your saying us four other people?
Oh no, why why? I don't know? Why would they

(02:14:59):
lie and say not? I would not know each other?
A lot of what you saw? Would you believed them?
Why wouldn't I? Because you want to. I am here
in front of you, but coming on the name of
the Lord telling you, did you lie?

Speaker 8 (02:15:14):
You?

Speaker 2 (02:15:15):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (02:15:15):
You lie?

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
From the very beginning of this you did?

Speaker 3 (02:15:18):
I would you?

Speaker 2 (02:15:19):
Why? And ill? Guy? You always give a lie apologized like, okay,
I apologize. I'm almost out of water.

Speaker 4 (02:15:27):
God blast, We're gonna have to get a refilled here
a minute, I'll take your drink up.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
That's official, Mike, please, But if you ask for truth,
you got to take the truth. I do not to
use what you collected and believed to be you.

Speaker 5 (02:15:50):
Know what I did.

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
Because I didn't do that, they said, I I am taking.

Speaker 9 (02:15:56):
Care of it, you know resident and she's naked.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
I know all this is how can I think gettle them?
He will would see them naked? Will who was you
know this?

Speaker 4 (02:16:10):
It goes she hasn't such you know, boy, that is
non through should that I would do you know anything?

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
And she knows that I was. I was thinking, avan Dijova,
I'm wayco dish. She didn't say that.

Speaker 4 (02:16:26):
She knows that you were taking She said the facts were,
she was naked in front of you. You had said
that you were cleaning her up because she had soiled herself,
but yet.

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
There was nothing there to clean up, and there was
no soiled garments, no soil anything in that room. She
searched it. She went so far as searching.

Speaker 4 (02:16:48):
She took the back off the toilet to look in there,
to find to see if that condom was in there,
to see.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
Where it would have been, because you had the wrapper.
So to think that she and look around that room.
She's looking there. He learned that rap up I quoted
or with my son, nephew, you know with it? I pointed,
I pointed with him seriously, Hey, and she's you know

(02:17:18):
what it is? He told me. He told me that
he picked that he picked that fired from Salvation Army.
It just keeps getting deeper. Yeah, that picked that you know,
the gid you know from you know, Salvation Army. That's

(02:17:40):
what he told me. Then he was able to out
of him.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
You like, because she's so clean and neat and everything
is so well kept. And your your wife frustrates you
because she is messy and doesn't keep things as clean
and neat. But you're telling me that you're her nephew.
Slash son got pants from the Salvation Army. Then he

(02:18:08):
didn't know that the condom rapper was in them either.
And then you, without them ever knowing anything about him,
you put these pants on that you're wearing that somehow
while you're working, this condom wrapper falls out of your pocket,
after all of these other incidents had happened where you
were seen in the room with this thing like that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:28):
Does that sound like make believe it as a sound
of wheeler?

Speaker 6 (02:18:34):
I mean, I can't keep just making that is that
sound wheel But sometimes then may be through it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:42):
But absolutely, I absolutely believe there's things that's where And
you're like, oh, I.

Speaker 4 (02:18:47):
Can't believe this, but this I've always thought, Listen, there's
no coincidence.

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
There's no coincidence. Five people.

Speaker 9 (02:18:56):
No, you had I for five live that I.

Speaker 2 (02:18:59):
Know about so far, and I don't want to have
to keep digging. But will five five I know about?
That doesn't make me Mike May five because this is
the five of So you're saying there's only one that
makes it better. It's only one, you know. I mean,
do you think this is a line of work for you?

Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
If you're going to fall in love with a woman
who is in the memory care facility that you're.

Speaker 2 (02:19:21):
Being tasked with taking care of, and you have a say,
do you think that's the best place for you? Is
not the best place for me? Because I go, you're obvious,
I don't know what helps me.

Speaker 5 (02:19:32):
You look at you.

Speaker 2 (02:19:33):
You're wearing scrubs today.

Speaker 4 (02:19:35):
Today is June eighth, right, June eighth, and this was
January twenty third or six months and you're you're obviously
still working.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
You're not just wearing the scrubs every day. You said,
you're helping people, So you're volunteering or you're doing something.

Speaker 4 (02:19:53):
But you've been in Kentucky. My guess is you're in
Kentucky working, right, is that what you're doing? You're working
at a facility in Kentucky.

Speaker 6 (02:20:01):
I'm not working as in Kentucky facility.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
What are you doing in Kentucky? What are you working?
What are you doing? Be honest? Why? Why?

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
Why do you do that?

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
Because I see the lord where you're thinking about it
a lot? To be honest? What is all the strategies
you are? Usual question? What are you doing in Kentucky?
What are you doing? I went to Kentucky the Creation Museum.
Creation Museum, that is where I went. You're working there.

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I'm not walking there, so what are you doing there?
I went there to see. I went there to see.
The last three times I.

Speaker 4 (02:20:42):
Talked to you, you've been in Kentucky. You've gone to
Kentucky that many times? To the Creation I do because
there is where I see a lot of things. I'm taking,
you know, because I'm about to write a book.

Speaker 2 (02:20:56):
So if you're going down there just to the Creation Museum,
have you that I had not? I like to if
you but if you go, listen, so you spend a
n there. You're staying there because I talked to you
yesterday and you said you would come back. You weren't
planning on coming back, but you came back. I I
was planning a boss d gready talk to be did

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you winder?

Speaker 5 (02:21:20):
I do?

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
I remember I was yesterday.

Speaker 4 (02:21:22):
I talked to you in the morning at like seven
ten seventy fifteen in the morning, and the honeyed up
and come back.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
Because if you had looked so, you had been there
on Sunday as a creation museum open on Sunday. Mostly,
I think you have shorter hours at least on Sunday.
I mean, let's see Typath day and you will have
a love of doubt about me. I do. Before you
gave me that doubt, though you gave me. You lied
to me. You lied to me, You lied to the

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audio right. I was up there. I was sitting in
the room right next to you when you were taking
the polygraph. I was sitting in the room right next
to you when you were in there of Nadia, and
I was listening to you, and I was listening to
what you were saying, and you lie to her. So

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so it's not just me. You lie to me at
the beginning. Then you lie to Jerry, then you lie
the Billity, you lie to let me. So there's a
pattern of laws. And why is the forgiveness, Mike Way,
is the forgiveness? Stop lying? Tell the truth?

Speaker 5 (02:22:24):
But they can't.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
You can't forget something you know. You stop. You tell
me that you're forgiven me. I have it because you're
still lying.

Speaker 5 (02:22:33):
No I am not.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
You are You're still lying. You see. Lie to you
is because you believe what you want me to say,
so that you do mean that I'm not lying, but
I am telling.

Speaker 6 (02:22:51):
You exactly what I feel is the truth, and it
is my truth and the truth.

Speaker 8 (02:22:58):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (02:23:01):
God who is thinking to you, to me, to me
through you, he is here in me. Even if you
do not believe me, he knows the truth of what
I'm saying. I'm saying it from my heart. You know,
with your provisional know how you are using the strategies

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you know to make me feel no strategy.

Speaker 4 (02:23:28):
It's literally telling you what I know, what I have
found out.

Speaker 2 (02:23:33):
There's no strategy in it.

Speaker 4 (02:23:35):
I told you exactly what I was told from these
other places. There's no strategy, there's no tricks. I'm confronting
you with basic human knowledge, what we learned growing up.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
When you say, hey, this is what you know, what
you have to believe? Is this true? Or is this
not true? And and I have you start off with
numerous lies? Would you agree? Numerous lies? You lie?

Speaker 4 (02:23:58):
When we the first time, if we met, lied continuously.
Would that be a fair statement? Yes, yes, you don't
want to answer that. Yes, the first time we met,
you lied continuously about what happened. Yes, correct, you lied
when we first.

Speaker 2 (02:24:19):
Sat in this room, me, you and Jerry, and you
lied and do a lot. So listen a lot, I know.
But so now I have to be able to get
over that. How I know that you're not just lying
to me.

Speaker 4 (02:24:33):
Still now listen, And in that time I have located
and found these other people, these other women, who have
said the same, similar things, not.

Speaker 2 (02:24:43):
The same, because it's definitely different. There's definitely something different
about it. But I listened to all these other things
and then you tell me none of those are true.
But you know what You've got me on that that's true.
I'm not trying to catch you. I'm not the adult
catcher here. I'm not trying to catch you. I'm just
trying to do what you've asked me to do, which
is help you. And the only way to help you

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is for you to tell the truth, because.

Speaker 4 (02:25:06):
You're never gonna move past any of this unless you
moved past by telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (02:25:10):
And you're not.

Speaker 5 (02:25:11):
I know you're lying.

Speaker 2 (02:25:12):
You're still rying about some of the stuff. I'm telling you.
There's no way that woman told three different people the
same story the seas you believe. That just doesn't make sense.
Said that doesn't? I mean you? I mean you tell
me you told me three or four different stories about it.
You have all been different. She told me the same

(02:25:34):
story three different people's. That's what makes it hard to
believe you. Okay has no problem, you know, being a
shamt Oh do not pointing anybody right? She does? He has,
he has all the stuff I have. M because in
the eyeway in hashoes, I'm miss saying exactly what she said.

(02:25:58):
But I told you my this is why I lied.
Please forgive me. Who is it that you're worried about
the most?

Speaker 4 (02:26:07):
What? Who is it?

Speaker 2 (02:26:08):
Love them? Oh? Tell me who is it you're worried
about the most? Looking down and thinking bad toorly about
you for knowing this happened. Who is it? Who's who's
my kidn Most of your children live in other countries, right,
what's there living you know Italy? And do you have
any children that live here in the United States? Except

(02:26:29):
you know, this is one I'm telling you that I
called nephew. Okay, okay, but the deployt is that?

Speaker 4 (02:26:37):
So who is it?

Speaker 2 (02:26:37):
You're most worried about your wife? My wife, and I
wondered about it. You know, my judge, my sons. The
people will have the conidence in me, the people who
needs my help. Those people have never made a mistake.

(02:26:58):
I don't know. I kind of love you. You don't know.
I don't because you see might when something mistake made life,
I made you know, you know, many.

Speaker 6 (02:27:10):
Mistakes to be in different directions and in different kinds.
Everybody does. But this particular one, this particular one is
the one.

Speaker 2 (02:27:23):
I never saw it coming. M h and in that
her over a weakness that you know, moment of weakness.
I never saw it happen.

Speaker 6 (02:27:34):
But when I saw and felt what I felt about
m hmm, that led me to you know, to this,
you know weakness, because she appears, you know, to me
in different ways, in different ways, and.

Speaker 2 (02:27:55):
She accepted.

Speaker 6 (02:27:59):
My friendship, my comfort and she values it. And I
saw her lifted up from depression. And she you know,
she talks like someone who has hoped, very good hope.
And every time she sees me, you know, she brandis

(02:28:20):
you know, she practice her you.

Speaker 2 (02:28:21):
Know, her life a person. It gives me joy. And
this is what I feel. I want to see, this
is what makes me feel.

Speaker 6 (02:28:31):
I am doing the writing and things like that. Okay,
the way my weakness carried me, you know, to this
set extent. I will tell you I don't regret it
because I feel it from my heart.

Speaker 2 (02:28:50):
I feel it really from my heart, So I don't
feel that I would say, oh, he said, there was
no what I feel exactly was was never able. It
was never able at all.

Speaker 6 (02:29:06):
It was something feel comfortable, loving, divine, and so I
transmitted that, and she transmitted you know has has.

Speaker 2 (02:29:20):
And give us a lot of hope. Okay. Now, because
of the fact that I am caught in this act
mm hmmm, it becomes something for me surprising. Then my

(02:29:45):
mind goes to so many things. Mm hmm. I have
to lose so many is I have to explain so
many ties.

Speaker 9 (02:29:54):
You know, the shame and all these kinds of days
and the fat of all lies.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
The devil you know used you know his s games
on me. Then I'm trying to you know, I'm trying
to sell my face. Mhm. That's there in a bad situation.
Get it. It's a trying to sell my face. And
that it was why it's time I pray and you

(02:30:22):
come up, you know, you come around. Mm hmm. I
asked God for help. I'm the plane I come to you.
I ask you to help me so many times.

Speaker 5 (02:30:39):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
Because I know this is not right, but I feel
right in my heart for this person. I wasn't taking
a bad day to her. I feeled the self rating.
You don't think that.

Speaker 4 (02:31:02):
An elly resident who's in a memory care facility that
has memory loss. Sometimes she can't find a room. You've
had to walk her to her room, You've had to
take her around. She can't remember a lot of things.
You don't think that kissing and rubbing and licking her breast.

Speaker 2 (02:31:24):
Is taking advantage of her. No, because she can. She
can in you know, really strong, and that will probably
may be why I got lost. She can really very strong,
and I didn't want to disappoint that and the audiences.

(02:31:45):
I should know better. I am really sorry. I am
absolutely sorry. If I have a way to take it back,
I will take it back.

Speaker 6 (02:31:56):
And this is what brought about, the trying to self
my face by share and things like that.

Speaker 2 (02:32:04):
That now is God lie mm hmm. But please.

Speaker 6 (02:32:11):
Don't make me feel that other people say something deaf
because of this.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
I have done those and I did not do it back.
Please believe me. At least you have to give me
a better edit of doubt, better edit of doubt of
all things. And that is a woman. That is a woman.

Speaker 7 (02:32:33):
So so you're blaming her for coming on strong for
your action.

Speaker 2 (02:32:38):
No, no, I'm not blaming how what you said, what
she said.

Speaker 7 (02:32:42):
And when I've been sitting here quiet listen.

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
Yeah you re job. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:32:50):
All I've heard was how you were affected by this
that you want us to forgive you. You talk to
God to help you.

Speaker 7 (02:33:00):
It's all about you. Yeah, Okay, the people that you said.

Speaker 3 (02:33:05):
You would hurt the most, where's fitting all this? You
don't think she's hurt. She has no idea what's going
on and why she can't see you anymore.

Speaker 7 (02:33:17):
So you don't think you hurt her.

Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
Yeah, probably, Yeah, you're probably seeing me around.

Speaker 3 (02:33:26):
Well, you heard her by drama. You heard her by
getting into a relationship with her that you knew was.

Speaker 5 (02:33:31):
Not going to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:33:33):
No, it's not to the point that I didn't think
that it was not going to go anywhere. I was
thinking of, you know, getting her uplifted. I was thinking of,
you know, conflicting her.

Speaker 7 (02:33:48):
You said that made you feel good. It made you
feel good because you could help her and uplift her.

Speaker 3 (02:33:53):
It's all about your feelings, and right now it's all
about how you're going to save herself.

Speaker 7 (02:34:01):
You're trying to save yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:34:03):
That it's all about you, And I'm you know, in
my department, we fight for the victims, and it's a victim.
She's an elderly woman in the dementia unit who legally
she doesn't know what she's gelling And you did what

(02:34:23):
you did to make her feel better? Did you lift
her up because it made you feel better?

Speaker 7 (02:34:30):
And she came one strong. Of course, she came on strong.
She's in the dementia unit.

Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
She does it. She's childlike.

Speaker 7 (02:34:37):
She wants someone to like her and she's going to
do what she She's going to do what.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
You want her to do to make you like her,
not what I want to have to do. Please see
like Eve when you know, Mike said.

Speaker 6 (02:34:51):
Mike said that that even though she is in the
dementia unit, you know she's a lot is don't completely league.

Speaker 3 (02:35:00):
No, I'm not completely.

Speaker 2 (02:35:03):
The point is that m hm, did you guys anything?
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (02:35:11):
So the point is that when when this you know,
weakness caught me, you know, greater part of me mm
hmmm because of the you know this situation mm hmm.
And that was what brought you know about my you know,

(02:35:32):
repentance about.

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
My you know feeling you know, I should have been stronger,
I should have been stronger to avoid it.

Speaker 3 (02:35:45):
You know that you you weren't okay when you left
the room and the nurse went in, When the nurse
went in and you came out, the nurse went back
in the room, and you saw her and you paced
in front of the in front of the room. You
walked back and forth looking in the room like you

(02:36:08):
knew that you were you knew that she was gonna
want to tell the nurse what you guys did.

Speaker 7 (02:36:13):
You could see the nervousness all over you.

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
No, No, that you know that one is that the
I don't know what the you know, you see that
the when I'm going you know, back and.

Speaker 6 (02:36:28):
Front, it's not anything about checking or something like that
that the nose has already you know, told me mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:36:40):
That told me, you know that this is what we
do that she asked me hm. And because of all
this ship, because of all this, you know, fear, because
of everything, mm hmm. I didn't tell her exactly what happened. Okay,
do you think do.

Speaker 3 (02:37:01):
You think it was fair.

Speaker 5 (02:37:04):
To have have to tell.

Speaker 7 (02:37:09):
Detective Wyatt about.

Speaker 3 (02:37:13):
Do you think she was ashamed and embarrassed by telling
them how intimate you two were? You know, you keep
saying you were ashamed, you were this, you were that.
Andrew did say you we unfortunate, it was unfortunate timing.

Speaker 5 (02:37:30):
That the nurse came.

Speaker 6 (02:37:31):
No. You see, it's the point is this, I realize
what I should love to have done, and I atlies
my mistakes.

Speaker 7 (02:37:42):
But again it's all but again you're talking about you.
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:37:48):
Do you know that how embarrassed and ashamed was from
what you guys did? She told the nurse not really
thinking anything was wrong, because she said you loved her,
she loves you. It was, you know, a relationship that
then she had to sit in front of Detective Wyatt

(02:38:10):
facility staff and tell your guys intimate relationship what happened.
And you don't think she was embarrassed the same way
with you know, both of them said, I you know,
I like him. I don't want him to get in trouble.
I didn't, and that's why I didn't say anything before.

(02:38:32):
You're only thinking of you.

Speaker 7 (02:38:34):
You're not thinking about what these ladies, these residents had
to go through.

Speaker 3 (02:38:38):
Okay, they they lived their life. Now they're at a
point they need someone to take care of the residents.

Speaker 7 (02:38:50):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:38:52):
I'm talking about the statement and the statement that they
had to sit in the front of of Detective Wyat
and other people and pour out tell things that were
embarrassing and that they were ashamed of, and they blamed themselves.

Speaker 7 (02:39:11):
Now you, on the other hand, or sitting over there
thinking you got to.

Speaker 18 (02:39:18):
Help me, you got to protect me. Who protected these
women and who helped these women? And who's going to
be there to help them get through what you did
to them? Because I don't know any woman who would
sit and embarrass themselves. No, no, wait, let me finish.

Speaker 3 (02:39:33):
I don't know any woman that would sit in front
of a detective white.

Speaker 7 (02:39:40):
You didn't know either of these residents to.

Speaker 3 (02:39:42):
Sit in front of strangers and tell them intimate things
that happened between the sexual relationship between you and them.

Speaker 7 (02:39:50):
Why would they put themselves through that if it was
not true?

Speaker 2 (02:39:55):
And they didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:39:58):
In case said, you know, I liked it, he liked it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:02):
She never put you down. He never put you down.
She was just concerned that she didn't want you. She
didn't know if you were doing it to someone else.
She was concerned, but she never They both liked you.
My thing is is you're sitting over there, protect you,
you know, protect me, save me. They were your actions,

(02:40:26):
not the residence. You should have known better. So who's
going to protect these residents?

Speaker 2 (02:40:30):
That's what we're here for.

Speaker 7 (02:40:32):
That's my job and that should have been your job.
You have you're sitting across from us. You have no remorse.

Speaker 3 (02:40:40):
These residents were suffering mentally from what you the acts
that you did to them, You have no remorse for them,
which means ideally truly believe it happened, because all you
care about is saving.

Speaker 6 (02:40:52):
Your please please the one who said residents, I don't
know any adult would.

Speaker 2 (02:41:01):
I don't know that is exactly you know, Look, I
am putting down I don't know that one. So what
the fact it doesn't meant that one.

Speaker 7 (02:41:12):
But you're not even you don't even feel remorse for error.
You you're not with her now, and how is she
going to understand.

Speaker 3 (02:41:20):
And she feels And I believe they said they were
sorry a couple of times, and you know that that
they were in this situation. They shouldn't be sorry for anything.
You're with the one who was supposed to take care
of them, yes, and provide care for them without taking
advantage of them.

Speaker 7 (02:41:39):
And you and you can say you're not taking them,
but you are.

Speaker 4 (02:41:43):
No. They were in a bar, kissing her breast, liking
her breast, kissing her on the mouth when she is
in that state.

Speaker 2 (02:41:52):
Is taking advantage and you do not.

Speaker 7 (02:41:55):
You're sitting across from you.

Speaker 3 (02:41:57):
That just went right for you. You have no worse
for anything for those residents. You don't feel for them,
what they went through, what they're saying, let's just go
back to because I know that's what you're gonna You're
gonna pick and choo, you're gonna.

Speaker 7 (02:42:09):
Play word games with me.

Speaker 5 (02:42:11):
We'll just talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:42:14):
She was dressed for you in her nightgown when she
motioned for you to come, she was already in bed.
You said that, and you said she was lying down.
Then you said she was sitting up. You said she
was already in bed.

Speaker 7 (02:42:29):
She was waiting on you.

Speaker 3 (02:42:32):
You took that key so no one else could come
in and you didn't have to worry about it, And
the video doesn't lie. After the fact, you paced down
the hall way, nervous, fidgety, wondering what the nurse was
in there talking to you about. Now you said you
already knew, but what else was she telling the nurse? Okay,

(02:42:55):
you didn't know, right was in there. So in our
for my purpose, we do administrative action against your nurse
ad registry. So if we find that there's a preponderance
of evidence, we will take your license from you and
you will not work in long term care or SIT's
a living again.

Speaker 5 (02:43:16):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (02:43:19):
Okay, to us, what you've already told me for administrative
action is I will is enough for me to move
this forward. You're a committee, Okay, it is under our statue,
So I'm here to get the whole story, because I'm

(02:43:39):
not going to let these residents.

Speaker 7 (02:43:41):
Everyone think these residents are liars. You're covering yourself. Who's
helping these residents. I'm not going back to say, well,
you know, he said it didn't happen, so it didn't help.
There is no way I would ever do that. I
would never tell the people that she told that because when.

Speaker 3 (02:44:00):
The nurse went in the room as soon as you left,
she asked her she was okay, and Muriel didn't stop
and think about it to make a fly. She told
what happened because she didn't know what She didn't know
any better to make a f lie.

Speaker 7 (02:44:16):
She thought you guys run up. She thought everything was
okay for what you guys were doing.

Speaker 5 (02:44:21):
She did.

Speaker 7 (02:44:22):
Yeah, she had no reason to lie.

Speaker 5 (02:44:25):
She liked you.

Speaker 3 (02:44:25):
She did not want to get you in trouble, but
she didn't understand that would get you in trouble. Do
you see what I'm saying. So you went in started
kissing her, making her feel good.

Speaker 2 (02:44:36):
She knew you liked her.

Speaker 3 (02:44:37):
She liked you, and you guys had sex, and that's
why you took the key. That's why you were in
the bathroom because.

Speaker 7 (02:44:45):
That's the only time you exited the room without glove.

Speaker 2 (02:44:47):
No, no, no, you see, this is one thing I'm
one with Alfred of you see, putting someone is the
clarage to send it through it? Then who actually the truth?
Never take the truth. But he uses the truth, you know,

(02:45:08):
as a weapon against someone, because.

Speaker 9 (02:45:13):
When you said, when I told you, you have to.

Speaker 2 (02:45:16):
Be giving the truth for us to be using the
truth as a weapon, you're not giving the truth. You
see there saying there's something.

Speaker 5 (02:45:25):
You think she's lying.

Speaker 2 (02:45:26):
There's something called repentance, and there's something calor forgiveness, and God,
you know is.

Speaker 4 (02:45:33):
You're asking for forgiveness and you've never even confessed your
sin of what you have done, because he does.

Speaker 2 (02:45:38):
This is what you said. But God knows I have
you don't want to believe. Maybe you have to hand,
but you have not to us, So you can't ask
for us to forgive you when you have not even
told us the truth. You've lied and lied and lied,
and and I know, I know why, I know what
you're doing. I told you I know, just because it

(02:46:01):
doesn't make me. But you have un this time, so
we don't say love this time.

Speaker 4 (02:46:06):
What you're saying is I've told you why I have
to lie. That's exactly what you're saying. And I understand.

Speaker 2 (02:46:14):
I know why you feel compelled.

Speaker 9 (02:46:17):
Or the weight that is on you, and I get it.

Speaker 4 (02:46:22):
You don't want your wife and your family and your
church to look down on you. You don't want to
have to tell them what really happened. You don't want
to have that come out.

Speaker 2 (02:46:33):
I understand that.

Speaker 4 (02:46:36):
But it just makes you look like a monster to
us when you won't tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:46:44):
Because all you're caring about right now, all you care
about is do All you care.

Speaker 3 (02:46:49):
About is yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:46:51):
That's what she's saying. Well, head up, hey, you head
it out, saving yourself. And you know what I hear SATs.
What I get about is my repentance. What I care
about is, you know, letting the truth you all this time,
but joining the act that was not performed, it's not there.

(02:47:14):
To join in my confession, to join in my repentance
does not make it a good thing because in as
much as I have repented, I'm telling you the truth,
it doesn't mean that I have to accept what I
did not do. So that I absolutely is because this

(02:47:36):
is exactly what I am telling you, But I didn't
do it, Mike, Please believe me. I didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (02:47:45):
I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:47:47):
We all all that, the ones who call five, call four,
whatever number, I didn't do it is the only one
I can.

Speaker 6 (02:48:01):
Tell you that inside me and all the period I
have been working, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:48:11):
Know why that the weakness caught over me. Mm hmm.
And that was why. It give me a lot of shame,
a lot of fears, a lot of considerations.

Speaker 6 (02:48:25):
And did they will use it mhmm to maniplate, you
know my mind, to manyplate, you know the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:48:35):
I supposed to have told. So let's leadless. So let's go.
You say, I've got it right here on video, or
I can.

Speaker 4 (02:48:46):
Show you where you walk down the hall, just like
we told you. You've got your hand sanitizerway already.

Speaker 9 (02:48:51):
Know that you didn't need You didn't go back to that.

Speaker 4 (02:48:55):
Listen, look, I'm going through with you going back. I'm
just I'm not going back to that way.

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
We know we're past that. We know we're past those lines.
We're past that. We're both we're done. So you walked
in that room, she motioned for you. You walked in
that room.

Speaker 4 (02:49:10):
When you walked in that room, the truth now, because
I want to make sure I had a clean version
of this. Where was she when you walked in that
room on January twenty third, the night this happened.

Speaker 2 (02:49:22):
When you walked in that room? Where was she? Was
she laying in the bed?

Speaker 4 (02:49:28):
Was she?

Speaker 2 (02:49:28):
Where was she? She was on good bed, sitting down
and come on? Okay, so you walk in the room
and then what do you say or what do you guys?
What do you say to each other? What do you do? Hey?
Who bad? Remember? Yeah? I think? But see I did

(02:49:55):
me about it, you know, the multical prove. Okay, see,
so that's what brought us to you know, that's why
you were saying. So she had control and then what
happens then there is that you know, opening the the channels. Okay,

(02:50:16):
so that is weird, you know. So you said you
want to put the best you know, she put her
hands you know, on my neck and this my hat.

Speaker 6 (02:50:25):
Then when I finished, then she can't close up to me.
Does you know when you know your kissing? Yeah, so
then you started kissing me. So you guys are kissing
kissing me, you.

Speaker 9 (02:50:39):
Know, on the cheek and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:50:41):
You know, and I shouldn't to say all this is
don't be because if this is the truth, tell us
that's so you're kissing each other, she's kissing the other cheek.
Then you you already said you both you kissed on
the mouth.

Speaker 4 (02:50:56):
Then as that happens, then you start touching her breast,
rubbing your breast.

Speaker 2 (02:51:02):
You're on the side, Yeah, you already say, but your
hand already she had a had like I'm also.

Speaker 6 (02:51:09):
You could just get you had a nightgown you know, opened,
that's you know, it wasn't there something else that, you know,
opening a nightgown, things like that.

Speaker 2 (02:51:21):
So you so I kiss you know, I don't I
kiss you know, breast, that's all. So you're kissing, king
your breast, rubbing her breast. Can't call it. I can't
call it leaking. You just you know, you know, just
the keys. You know, it was a sharp piece and
things like that.

Speaker 6 (02:51:37):
I didn't I didn't continue it as you know, as
a process and things like that, because I'm assumed to
say all this is because it was something that went fast.

Speaker 2 (02:51:51):
It was something that you know, went fast. I'm not
proud of it. I'm not proud of it, yet I
don't regret it because I loved you woman, I o her.
She appeals to me, I told you, because if I
say I don't it is it means.

Speaker 6 (02:52:11):
Disappointing, a letting that m hmm. And I'm not I
will not be saying the truth. So in this case
mh and realized I shouldn't be doing that, and I
did it, and I am mad.

Speaker 5 (02:52:29):
I was mad.

Speaker 6 (02:52:31):
I'm still mad at myself why I could be so
you know weak m hm week in the sense because.

Speaker 2 (02:52:43):
It involves where I walk, it involves you know, what
is the rules and regulations mm hmm. But in the
actual in the actual life.

Speaker 13 (02:52:56):
You know, I told you.

Speaker 4 (02:52:58):
She's trying to get the story of what happened, and
every time I try to, it turns into you trying
to defend yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:53:09):
Trying to only caring about you, Like all you care
about is you and what's going to happen to you
or what what you have done, or how you get
past this. You've never you still even after you just
went over this with you, you you try and make
it sounds you less than everything, like, oh, it's not
that bad at all. I just I just kissed it

(02:53:30):
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:53:31):
I just did this.

Speaker 2 (02:53:32):
You might no, no, no, no, I'm so tired of that.
It doesn't look too dad, I am, because you just
keep trying.

Speaker 4 (02:53:41):
All you care about is yourself. You're the most selfish person.
Was that you you your selfish? You only care about yourself,
but that you all you here about any of these
They told you that you were an employed to take
care of. You don't care about them at all?

Speaker 2 (02:53:57):
What you're doing now, I'm coming because I know you'll come.
You see.

Speaker 4 (02:54:02):
I think that you're a sexual predator. I think that
you have prayed upon all of these women. I think
all of no no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, yes,
I think that you have prayed upon all of them.
I think that you prayed upon the lady.

Speaker 2 (02:54:16):
The shared I think and you don't know that, you
know if you have exactly what it is you are
not that's probably is not to help people. You are
It is not, It is not, it is loved, It
is not. You keep saying that, but you know it's true.
But it's not ashamed, you're ashamed of it, but you

(02:54:37):
know it's true. You're a predator. You're praying upon these
week oh women.

Speaker 5 (02:54:43):
That's what you know?

Speaker 2 (02:54:44):
Who does that? Other than please?

Speaker 17 (02:54:47):
That's what you are your mom.

Speaker 2 (02:54:50):
Yes, you absolutely are a monster. You're praying upon them,
and then you continue to lie about what you're doing.
I don't know why I say here, and I wanted
to help you, but now I'm to the point where
I just I'm done with your lies. You have done
these things, you said all these because you're a liar.

Speaker 6 (02:55:08):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:55:09):
I only care about yourself.

Speaker 5 (02:55:11):
Now.

Speaker 9 (02:55:11):
I told you why you did more.

Speaker 4 (02:55:14):
Than kiss and lick and touch her breast. You absolutely did.
There's no way I'm gonna believe.

Speaker 2 (02:55:21):
Or lies over three people. Please, I did nothing to
do more than that. Wait, lens, you you have.

Speaker 4 (02:55:34):
Learned throughout the time what you can get away with,
and you've just kept doing it, doing it, doing it.

Speaker 5 (02:55:38):
And I think it.

Speaker 4 (02:55:39):
Escalated up to Muriel was the one you finally had
intercourse with.

Speaker 2 (02:55:43):
I think that you were working up to it with
the other ones or you did. No, no, no, I
didn't make you didn't. I know you did with Mariel.

Speaker 4 (02:55:51):
It is done to me that you know that I
said that you didn't. It's important that you know me
to believe your lies. And no, no, no, no, yeah,
but this time, this time I told you why the
lie I asked you for I don't know why your why.
I understand why.

Speaker 2 (02:56:10):
I tell you what I'm telling you. When I called
you the name of God, I'm not lying. I'm not lying.
You cannot say that I put my place in her
vagina and her mouth. I didn't do that. If I
did that, I would tell you I didn't do that mine. Please,

(02:56:33):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:56:36):
Trying to.

Speaker 2 (02:56:37):
Please. Give me at least give me betterit of doubt.
Benefit of doubt is because you don't know what you're saying.
A woman that you just said she was not living
there and she was out in love. There's a liar,
that's what you're saying. But you can't have it both ways.
You can't have it both ways. You see, you said,

(02:57:00):
I'm doing God bless you did it. You said that
she doesn't know what she's saying that she doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:57:07):
She doesn't, But when she's three people right there together,
she's told the same story that's accurate. If I go
to her today, she probably is not want to remember
it today.

Speaker 2 (02:57:18):
She's not gonna know. Mike, Mike, you want to tell you?
Do you want to tell me? To tell you that
I put my pennies in Adana and her mount. She
told me that you laid with her in the bed,
that they didn't even do.

Speaker 7 (02:57:37):
Well and let me care we didn't see that. She
didn't know what she was saying. She didn't know it
was going to get her in trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:57:43):
She didn't know it was a relationship.

Speaker 7 (02:57:45):
Yeah, she repeated exactly what you guys, She told the truth.
I didn't say that she she didn't know what she
was saying. She was telling me that she was telling
the truth, that she didn't know it's gonna get.

Speaker 2 (02:57:59):
You guys in trouble. But this BacT, this path of
the Venisa Banana and the mount didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (02:58:06):
So because you know what, so you want me to
believe that this all just you went straight from the
first time ever doing anything with her. You're sitting on
the end of the bed and you're you're kissing, linking,
touching her breast and her emotion like you said earlier,
saying like she had done before, where human motion wants
she wants you to come there.

Speaker 9 (02:58:26):
You're saying that.

Speaker 2 (02:58:27):
That one time, that was the only time you ever
did anything, was right. Then there's there's no way that
happened more than that. Oh no, this is you were
saying that. It is you say that it makes sense.
And I think the way you say that because the
UA your position to say that, because.

Speaker 6 (02:58:45):
Your voice and your thority is to be had, not mine.
But it is that I did not I have before
all that d.

Speaker 2 (02:58:58):
So it did do a different is so whatever you
believe is what you know. The law we believe.

Speaker 9 (02:59:06):
Whatever you said, whatever you choose to do to me is.

Speaker 2 (02:59:10):
What the law will call God and believe that I did.
But I am so happy that I'm telling you right
now that those things I didn't do it. I am
ashamed of the befar I go. The things I did.
I'm not happy about it.

Speaker 6 (02:59:30):
I'm ashamed of it. I'm all my mad about myself
for it. I think of you know, all things around,
but that is not going to make me. I sept
the things you said I did, which I know I
didn't do.

Speaker 2 (02:59:49):
It because I'm the one who did.

Speaker 4 (02:59:53):
I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:59:56):
You sat right across me with the same action, saying
I didn't do it. I didn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (03:00:01):
I didn't touch that woman, nothing sexual at all. You
sat here the first time we talked and you told
me that you didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:00:08):
You are coming back. I don't.

Speaker 4 (03:00:11):
You're wanting me to believe, and I don't know how
you see.

Speaker 2 (03:00:16):
I can't understand why you go back to someone who
confessed to you and say he repented, he is sorry,
and I for forgiveness the lies you told you before.
Because if I told your life before, I don't not
telling your lie now. It is two quite different days.

(03:00:36):
So because I told your life before, which means everything
I confess, I'm telling you the truth, it is lied
to you, which means you are not prepared to hear.

Speaker 3 (03:00:46):
The truth because it's a hat truth.

Speaker 2 (03:00:48):
It's not our truth. Because I am the one who
really repented, I really want to say what happened, and
that wouldn't make me, you know, to collect it is
I know that I didn't do that. It didn't happen.
By regress of God, I cannot do that. He knows

(03:01:08):
that he didn't do it.

Speaker 7 (03:01:10):
Have you ever have you prayed to hint for or
has it just been for yourself?

Speaker 2 (03:01:16):
I think I said it, you know, I said it.
When I was starting. I prayed for us steady every day,
every night. I asked God to, you know, protect her.

Speaker 7 (03:01:26):
I asked God to protect her from what it is
from someone else in the facility or what you do?

Speaker 2 (03:01:34):
You know protection his protection? God knows you know how
he distributed his protection. Then I answer, I asked God,
you know, to bless her and probably you know, to
get whatever her problem is, don't continue increasing to make her,

(03:01:58):
to make her whole, to make her well, to make
her feet.

Speaker 7 (03:02:03):
When you do understand she's in a demension unit. She's
not getting well. She's not going to move out, she's
not going to be so in your fantasy, were you
living that?

Speaker 2 (03:02:14):
What man says? But if God wants, nothing is impossible
to him. So when I have the feelings, you.

Speaker 7 (03:02:21):
Know, to all you're going to leave your wife, and
you're so you were going to leave your wife for her?

Speaker 3 (03:02:29):
I'm going to live if she was out of the facility,
were you going to divorce your wife to go be
with her?

Speaker 7 (03:02:34):
Or would you have her on the side.

Speaker 2 (03:02:37):
I don't think I ever thought about it, because what
you just said now it.

Speaker 3 (03:02:44):
Is about that. Didn't he say that if she was
out you would continue the relationship. So are you going
to leave your wife mm hmm to be with her?

Speaker 2 (03:02:53):
All?

Speaker 6 (03:02:54):
I mean, all I know is that if she is
out or free, I would like to continue seeing.

Speaker 3 (03:03:03):
Her behind me, So I think we're okay.

Speaker 2 (03:03:08):
No, no, I mean you know what you are talking about.

Speaker 3 (03:03:14):
That's why I said yes, yes, okay, yes or no question.
Would you leave your wife to be with her if
she was out and God made her better? Yes, you
would leave your wife.

Speaker 2 (03:03:25):
I can assure you that that you're worried.

Speaker 3 (03:03:30):
So, but you don't want your wife to know the
truth because you don't want to hurt her and her
leave you, which it's possibility if she knew what you
would you do with.

Speaker 7 (03:03:42):
But now you'd hurt your wife and leave her. I
don't understand that's.

Speaker 5 (03:03:46):
That that.

Speaker 2 (03:03:48):
You are a woman. Mm hmm, I'm a man.

Speaker 6 (03:03:54):
Sometimes things go by feelings. Because you asked me yes
or no question. But when you through that question to me,
I gave you the answer my heart, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:04:09):
Give to me.

Speaker 19 (03:04:10):
So I really do you believe that you and I
have a sexual relationship as a married or boyfriend girlfriend
while she was while you worked at the facility.

Speaker 2 (03:04:21):
But I believe you know that this is imposing it
or me that my truth is.

Speaker 6 (03:04:29):
That huge sex relationship means taking pennies, putting the vagina,
taking pennies, putting them out.

Speaker 2 (03:04:39):
It didn't happen. I am going to say it you
on the top of the mountain, whether you believe it
or not, because I have decided to tell the truth.
I have lied and repented and asked forgiveness for it.
Don't use it against me. Hear me out. Now, this

(03:04:59):
is what I tell you, that what happened.

Speaker 3 (03:05:05):
Please, we're not using it against you. But you lie
the whole story that you gave me. There's a reason
I asked you to tell me your version of events.

Speaker 2 (03:05:17):
It is the descendr descenption diserted everything by the time
mine was talking to me, mhmm. But the tamil you
was talking to me him might think that that is
his voice, that I had the voice of God, you
know through him immediately the spirit of God in me.

Speaker 3 (03:05:42):
And he told you to lie to us, and he
told you the lie of both of us.

Speaker 2 (03:05:47):
He told me to stop lying to you and start
telling the truth. And that is where I am now. Yet,
as being man and woman and all this is, you
are not believe in me. You want me, You want
me to accept they tell you believe that happened.

Speaker 7 (03:06:08):
I want you to believe in your own lies.

Speaker 2 (03:06:10):
No, No, you want me to say, yes, mypodies.

Speaker 7 (03:06:16):
I want you to tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (03:06:17):
Yes, that's exactly.

Speaker 6 (03:06:19):
You know, people always wonder that tell me the truth,
tell me the truth, while in the in their mind
they want you to tell them what they want to
to hell from you.

Speaker 2 (03:06:30):
But this time around, I.

Speaker 6 (03:06:32):
Am speaking boldly because I have decided to send the
truth because I cannot continue making life. But at the
same time, I'm not going to accept what didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (03:06:50):
MYAPANI is in habit or myapan is in about that
did not happen.

Speaker 7 (03:06:56):
Did you ever relay on the bed with her and
not have sex just.

Speaker 2 (03:07:00):
To hold together? No, I didn't, please, I did it.

Speaker 3 (03:07:06):
Well, that wouldn't be any any different than you're sitting
on the edge of the bed.

Speaker 2 (03:07:11):
The one I did, the one the one I did
is what I told you, Pet talk about lying on
the bed to me, I did not lie. I did
not lie on the bed.

Speaker 7 (03:07:24):
I sat on the bed talking about anytime, not just
that day.

Speaker 8 (03:07:28):
No.

Speaker 7 (03:07:28):
No, So why would she come and open I mean her,
she had a I saw my young one, and I
believe that you talked.

Speaker 2 (03:07:38):
It was closed when she.

Speaker 4 (03:07:39):
Was at the door, when you were at the door
like a matter of a few seconds before you got there.

Speaker 2 (03:07:42):
So this is the path of the line we talked about.
We are on there. If you want to help me,
if you want to consider me, if you want the helvy,
if you will have pity on me, I mean please,
he does not, does no need.

Speaker 5 (03:08:05):
That you right over.

Speaker 2 (03:08:07):
Here's where the key is.

Speaker 4 (03:08:08):
There's your spray bottle, and there's another camera the other
end that shows a room very well may aunt like.

Speaker 2 (03:08:14):
There's you getting the key. I'm walking to her. You
know she's still standing. Look you're walking to her. There's
her legs. She is still standing there. And the other
camera you can see her night on is closed. That's
my so that I'm not I'm not saying the facts.
This this is and she walk in immediately unbuttoned.

Speaker 6 (03:08:32):
This is push passion descends to that.

Speaker 2 (03:08:37):
We have talked about my light.

Speaker 5 (03:08:41):
I liked you.

Speaker 2 (03:08:42):
I'm sorry. I absolutely feel forgiveness, forgive me.

Speaker 5 (03:08:46):
I had the game.

Speaker 2 (03:08:48):
How did her blouse? How did her nightgawn get unbuttoned?

Speaker 7 (03:08:51):
What's it that when you went in?

Speaker 2 (03:08:53):
There's no way it was you said, you said when
you walked in and you sat down there with her,
it was already unbuttoned. There's no way you must have
unboded it myself. I didn't bud you know how I
didn't do that. You see, not everything case that you

(03:09:14):
know happens that I am the one that did it,
because you.

Speaker 7 (03:09:20):
Doing nothing that has happened.

Speaker 2 (03:09:22):
It was your fault, is That's exactly what I am telling.

Speaker 7 (03:09:25):
You, that that that's not true.

Speaker 3 (03:09:27):
It is your fault. You were paid you.

Speaker 2 (03:09:32):
I didn't say that fault.

Speaker 7 (03:09:34):
You would you were putting the facility to protect her.

Speaker 6 (03:09:37):
You see you If I don't know that, I wouldn't
be mad at myself. I wouldn't get shamed. I wouldn't
be you know, afraid.

Speaker 7 (03:09:47):
No, but you would have some remorse for her.

Speaker 2 (03:09:49):
I have remorse.

Speaker 7 (03:09:54):
You have remorse for you. You want forgiveness for yourself.
You do not know that residence, not.

Speaker 2 (03:10:00):
Want to see. The most I have, the amost I
have is that she is there in this sotility. How
I wish she's a woman out free and I saw
her the way she is.

Speaker 3 (03:10:15):
Okay, so let's you and this is I'm just curious
about this because you said that you liked her because
she was clean. It's her body and so clean, because
you keep saying clean, and to me, it's not just
organizational stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:10:28):
It's her. What she wears is neat sitting beside her,
she smells nice, so she.

Speaker 7 (03:10:41):
Is one of the residents that keeps takes care of herself.

Speaker 2 (03:10:44):
She is absolutely you know, clean, nice, you know, and
even there are.

Speaker 6 (03:10:51):
People you see behind with that when they talk, you
hear the you know the all do the you know
these things?

Speaker 2 (03:11:01):
Not I didn't hear that. Do you understand? And the
way the way she arranges things, and the way you
know she.

Speaker 6 (03:11:16):
She likes to do things, and the way she dresses
because when you see her, she doesn't look any beat
anybody that has you know, dementia, you know problem because
everything is accurate, everything.

Speaker 2 (03:11:36):
Is at the time you know it has to be.
You know. The much I know her, Do you understand?
So all these things appear to me first, you see
the way I am mad at myself is knowing better.
I allowed my weakness to take a hand of me

(03:12:02):
and things like that, so now it has brought me
with the sham and everything. Then I had to lie. Please,
I'm sorry, I'm really am because I think.

Speaker 6 (03:12:21):
When God comes into it, the only thing I understand
actually is who you are, is who you are in
the front of God, because the way I had him
talk through him means that he's in confirmation.

Speaker 2 (03:12:44):
That I can confide, I can come up with in
or the truth to the people in front of me.
Because my fear that brought all this fear is I.

Speaker 6 (03:12:57):
Know people that use people's weakness as a fault and
mistakes in order to destroy them for life, in order
to put.

Speaker 2 (03:13:07):
Them in your body. You know, you know, without knowing.

Speaker 7 (03:13:11):
How to escape again, you're telling that, you're saying that
people use what you do against you to run your life,
that you is free. Will you make a decision. I
am the one the person who makes a decision.

Speaker 6 (03:13:26):
I am the one who failed myself fast because if
I was thinking, if I was thinking, if.

Speaker 2 (03:13:35):
I was thinking of all this.

Speaker 6 (03:13:40):
Before, you see, when the top of someone's weakness and
the devil said, you know, rims on someone, I never
I knew that it could lead you to.

Speaker 2 (03:13:55):
You know, not thinking right. I'm do you wrong to
come back to know the right? I'm be ashamed of it.
You see, so all these things, maybe if I had not,
if I have not I had not talking you know

(03:14:15):
through him, I may continue to have, you know, considering
you people are the people that are looking for something
to you know, tie me up and throw me, you know,
with the you know, a big way into the sea.

Speaker 6 (03:14:35):
Because I know that I have repeted. I know I
have been had on myself because of that, and I know.

Speaker 2 (03:14:43):
That it will never happen again because I have learnt
my lesson and I never did it before.

Speaker 9 (03:14:54):
I never did it before, and I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (03:14:56):
To do it again. So help me.

Speaker 3 (03:15:00):
Are five residents this is four of them are all well,
actually i'm you so all five of them are lying.

Speaker 7 (03:15:07):
But you're telling us the truth after you lie several.

Speaker 2 (03:15:11):
Times, you see, don't go back to the lie. We
have been no, no, no, because it appointed that if
you if you know, if you forgive, it's a different thing.
I know what forgiveness is, okay, if you forgive, you
cannot use what you have forgiven, you know.

Speaker 6 (03:15:30):
On things like that, because the when you come back
to that quich means you are helping the devil to
passeco with me.

Speaker 2 (03:15:38):
But I am not going to allow it because I
have decided to set the truth, to tell the truth,
to tell you the truth. I know, I am not
going to fall into that there was.

Speaker 6 (03:15:54):
Tricks now anymore. At the same time, I am not
because I admitted alive. I'm going to accept what I
know I did not do because I know I didn't
do it.

Speaker 2 (03:16:11):
Because these people five or whatever number is a lot
of opportunity. The devil is collected because I know when
when I solve God or when I'm doing things I
think that I'm doing the work of God, the devil
is not going.

Speaker 6 (03:16:31):
To put the red capect for me. I know that
I'm going to have oppositions. I'm going to run into
problems because I listen to my heart. Sometimes listening to
my heart, I run into vio lett your rules and
regulations like you have just mentioned to be. But I

(03:16:55):
feel better when I follow my heart and see the results.
And sometimes most of these things I'm not discovered and
then start going all right, and the passions that being okay,
you see the point because I have no idea what

(03:17:16):
I'm talking about now, But.

Speaker 2 (03:17:18):
What the idea? What you have to have ideas? But
when I know that someone like someone you know, get
get accident on the road, let's say let's use good
Samaritan store. M hmm.

Speaker 6 (03:17:38):
Then someone says Okay, I don't want to get mixed up.
I don't want to get involved. Then start going into
his business. Hmm, until that's summer written. Who is no
religious The priests passed, the other things passed.

Speaker 2 (03:17:56):
Because they have something important to do. They don't want
to get involved. But this is good summer written. You
know him and took care of him. And see that
this addictive and don't this. He took care of him
and you're always in a spain. It's time to take
care of this and pay the deals. This is the

(03:18:17):
kind of things that happened. Like I'm a COVID caregiver.
Mm hmm, I see someone who is not a COVID patient.

Speaker 5 (03:18:32):
And I know.

Speaker 2 (03:18:34):
He or she needs me. He needs my help, no
matter what that help is. Hey, I have abandoned it
and ignoy it completely because I want to be on
the right, not mixing because she is not my passion.

Speaker 4 (03:18:49):
But she didn't get down there because she needed You
went down there because you have a relationship. You said,
like she how she emotions for you? I mean he's
we should take a break. Probably, No, listen, we've been
in here whong time. You haven't drank much of your
water you need to go the bathroom or anything?

Speaker 2 (03:19:09):
I think, but no, I don't. Okay, I gotta go,
So I don't know if you do or not.

Speaker 4 (03:19:14):
I drank one of those and I'm already halfway down
on that one. So do you do you need to
go to the bathroom or anything?

Speaker 13 (03:19:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:19:20):
Hea, Okay, I'm gonna hit the bathroom real quick.

Speaker 5 (03:19:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:19:26):
Oh, and we're just saying be right back.

Speaker 8 (03:19:38):
Left, actish.

Speaker 5 (03:22:48):
Six four.

Speaker 2 (03:24:22):
Oh are you sure you didn't have to go to
the bathroom or anything?

Speaker 6 (03:24:26):
And I'm I'm I'm thinking anything this morning, so b
no medicine to help you pee or something.

Speaker 2 (03:24:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:24:34):
Oh, all right, Well, we we're talking the way back.
Have to hit the bathroom, And I was like, I
don't know that there's anywhere else we need to go.
I feel like we're just arguing back and forth. And
I was like, you know what, I think it's just
time we just shut down and then we'll just go
to our separate corners.

Speaker 2 (03:24:53):
And and you see it. Please can't you hear me out?

Speaker 3 (03:24:58):
Now?

Speaker 2 (03:24:59):
Okay? Kind of him out. I don't know why all
this is happening.

Speaker 6 (03:25:12):
I know, one, I'm not a criminal, and I've never
put dead any crime.

Speaker 4 (03:25:20):
So you work in a long term memory care facility
with dementia patients. That's the places that you work. You
worked in one with and is a memory care patient.
She is childlike. We both know, she is not someone
who can make the best decisions for herself. And while

(03:25:42):
working there is her caregiver, someone who is in charge
of her and supposed to be tasked with.

Speaker 2 (03:25:47):
Taking care of.

Speaker 4 (03:25:52):
You.

Speaker 2 (03:25:52):
Saying that you're not a criminal, you absolutely are a criminal.

Speaker 4 (03:25:56):
So you sat there and you go down and you
you fondle her breast, do you lick her breast, you
kiss her breast, you kiss her You are taking complete
advantage of someone. It's no different than if that was
a small child that was there.

Speaker 2 (03:26:11):
That's what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (03:26:12):
And to say that just because you were in love
with the fact that she's neat and she's clean, and
she does all of these things that you find appealing
that your wife doesn't do, and your wife is not
doing these things for you. So you're going to find
someone else, and that is you're going to do this
at the place where you work. How do you think

(03:26:33):
her family feels. Do you think her sons want you
taking advantage of their mother. Do you think her two
sons would be happy with you going and fondling and
kissing and licking their mother's breast. Do you think they
would be happy with them? Do you think they would say, oh,

(03:26:54):
that's okay. I think that's a criminal act.

Speaker 2 (03:26:59):
So I've heard you out. I've heard you out. What
we should do now is we.

Speaker 4 (03:27:04):
Should end this because when you're still lying, we're not
going to come to compromise on it.

Speaker 2 (03:27:09):
It's obvious.

Speaker 4 (03:27:10):
And what I tell people when I do polygraphs and
I do other things in here myself, I tell people
I don't let liars stay in my room.

Speaker 5 (03:27:19):
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (03:27:20):
So I'm going to ask you to leave now because
I just don't want to hear any more lies.

Speaker 2 (03:27:25):
So I don't want you in my room anymore. I
want you to leave.

Speaker 4 (03:27:29):
I'm asking you to leave because I'm tired of listening
to your lies. If you want to tell me something
that's the truth, I would hear that, but I'm tired
of the lies.

Speaker 2 (03:27:39):
So I'm done. I'm done listening, done hearing you out.
I'm done listening to you.

Speaker 4 (03:27:45):
Try and plead for mercy on yourself and help for
yourself when you don't think about these victims any whatsoever.
And I say victims because it's not just one. So
I don't want to hear anymore. I don't want to
hear you out anymore. Listen, listen, listen, No, you're you're

(03:28:07):
you're spewing evil in life. To be done, so we're
done with you all today. Please listen, Please listen. What
I'm going to do straightforward. You've come in, you've been
able to leave. I'm going to present my case. Please
Prosecure's office.

Speaker 2 (03:28:23):
I am going to see what charges they would want
to do with you, and I will I'm not I'm
going to call you once everything is, If there's charges, whatever,
I will keep you updated. I'm not going to be
shocks or surprises. But that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (03:28:37):
There's no reason for us to sit in here any
further and for me to listen to you plead for
your own benefit of trying.

Speaker 2 (03:28:46):
To compel me to care enough to try and take
care of you.

Speaker 4 (03:28:50):
My job is to take care of these victims who
can't take care of themselves.

Speaker 5 (03:28:54):
And that was your job.

Speaker 2 (03:28:56):
That was your job, and you've failed. You didn't take
care of them. You molested. That's what you did.

Speaker 4 (03:29:04):
You didn't take care of You molested them. You took
advantage of her. You rubbed her breast, you licked her breast,
you kissed her breast. This is an elderly woman who
can't remember stuff, who's in it? Listen to a facility.
You took advantage of her. I don't care if you're
in love with because she's clean.

Speaker 2 (03:29:21):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:29:22):
You molested her, you took advantage of her. And I
believe that you took advantage of all four of those
other people I know about. I am certain that you
took advantage of the lady at the Sheridan Basin.

Speaker 2 (03:29:36):
I'm certain that you did the other one. And all
you want to do is lie. So I don't want
to hear any more. I don't listen, listen. I don't
want to hear any more. I don't want to hear
her eyes.

Speaker 4 (03:29:47):
Okay, So it's time for us to say our farewells
and you, because there's nothing I can give a liar,
it's time to go.

Speaker 2 (03:29:55):
Please, let's go. Please listen. I want to effect you,
but I can't because you just lie, You lie, lie, lie,
and you only hear about yourself. And I just I
can't respect that. I'm sorry. I don't like being mean.

Speaker 4 (03:30:10):
Do you think I enjoy saying these things? Because I
feel like I'm being very hurtful. Oh my god, but
I don't want to listen to anymore lies.

Speaker 2 (03:30:19):
I can't take it. I can't take it anymore.

Speaker 15 (03:30:22):
I just I hear one right.

Speaker 2 (03:30:23):
After the other. So we're done. So let's go while
we're still. We can be cordial and we can be
you know, I can call and tell you, hey, this
is what's going on. I can update you, But for
right now, I just can't take any more lies. Do
you understand my good thing? I'm laying enough to have
a I apologize on because you are.

Speaker 4 (03:30:44):
You're trying to save yourself, is what you think?

Speaker 2 (03:30:47):
Try not? I'm middl with myself, and I'm not sure
you you took advantage of me.

Speaker 11 (03:30:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:30:54):
Yes, So if her sons were.

Speaker 4 (03:30:57):
Here right now and we said, hey, this is what
he she's done to your mother, do you think they.

Speaker 2 (03:31:02):
Would just be great with it and happy? Would you
be if if.

Speaker 4 (03:31:07):
Your mother was in a facility like that, somebody was
doing this.

Speaker 2 (03:31:10):
With her, would you be happy?

Speaker 3 (03:31:13):
M kay?

Speaker 2 (03:31:15):
Would you be happy? Oh? God? Please God please. Okay,
So do you want to tell me anymore that's the truth,
or do any to leave? I would to believe me

(03:31:35):
that them telling you let him Hondon, how are you done? Okay?

Speaker 4 (03:31:41):
All right, howlets let's go so I can get you
out to the parking lot and it's it's it's time
to go.

Speaker 2 (03:31:47):
Let's go. You can go home and and you're going
to have to live with yourself of this stuff. Okay,
h please can you help me? I can't help you
because you can't. I can't. It's time for you to go.

(03:32:07):
Entire of liars in the room, it's time to go. Sorry,
not lying. You don't tell you what I want to do?
It lies up? Ye not that first said the look

(03:33:07):
on

Speaker 5 (03:33:10):
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