Inside the Mind of the Baseball Bat Autistic Son Killer Matthew Ponomarenko - True Crime Documentary
This gripping video dives deep into the shocking case of Matthew Ponomarenko, a father who confessed to murdering his autistic son with a baseball bat. Through raw interrogation footage and emotional breakdowns, we begin Uncovering the Truth behind his mental state, substance abuse, and unraveling mind. Was it premeditated evil or a tragic psychological collapse? Join us in Uncovering the Truth as investigators piece together the final moments leading to the child’s death. Uncovering the Truth also means examining the signs society missed, the breakdown of the family, and how mental health systems failed both father and son. As the courtroom awaits its verdict, we’re Uncovering the Truth that’s buried under guilt, confusion, and remorse. This is not just a story about murder—it’s about trauma, loss, and a desperate need for help. Don’t miss this intense journey of Uncovering the Truth.
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This gripping video dives deep into the shocking case of Matthew Ponomarenko, a father who confessed to murdering his autistic son with a baseball bat. Through raw interrogation footage and emotional breakdowns, we begin Uncovering the Truth behind his mental state, substance abuse, and unraveling mind. Was it premeditated evil or a tragic psychological collapse? Join us in Uncovering the Truth as investigators piece together the final moments leading to the child’s death. Uncovering the Truth also means examining the signs society missed, the breakdown of the family, and how mental health systems failed both father and son. As the courtroom awaits its verdict, we’re Uncovering the Truth that’s buried under guilt, confusion, and remorse. This is not just a story about murder—it’s about trauma, loss, and a desperate need for help. Don’t miss this intense journey of Uncovering the Truth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
What's the address to your emergency?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
A chilling call echoes through the gray Ohio air. A
man's voice rings like a death knew I just killed
my son. At this moment, the tragedy had already unfolded
beyond saving.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Oh, okay, and the phone number you're calling from the
very closely?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And what's the problem something exactly? What happened? I just
chose my phone? What do you mean you just killed
your son from hearing voices? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
How old your son?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Where's your son now? Instead dead? Whare in the living room?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Do you have any weapons? Can you just send an
we're doing that now. What's your name? Matt Piero? I'm sorry,
the first name, Matt, Matt Sell your last name for me?
Matt p o n O, m a are Ian Koe.
(01:18):
What's your son's name? Jack? Jack Jack j A X.
And you said you hear you're hearing voices? Yes, all right?
How did you kill your son? It's a baseball? You
(01:40):
killed him with a baseball? Bant mm hmm. And why
did you kill him with a baseball?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Dat?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't know. Is there anyone else there with you
and him?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, all right? Man We've got some units on the way.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Okay, I want you to stay on the phone with me.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And when did when did.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You do that?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
When? When did you sell your son?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah? When does this happen? Street? And I understand? When
did this happen? Matty? When did this happen? Okay? Matt?
(03:29):
Do you have any other weapons in the home?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The living room, once filled with a child's laughter, is
now a scene of death. Police aren't there yet. Only
silence remains and a father lost between reality and delusion.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
No, okay?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And when did this happen?
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You're still there with me?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I met another name, Matt.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Okay, don't let me smok in the cars. You don't
let me smomp in the car?
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Where?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Where?
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Where? Where?
Speaker 9 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Alright, Matt, Matt? Where are you? Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Three? All right, well, hold hold on a moment.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
K you're paying wants them to drink it all thirsty
and use attle are Yeah? Okay, hey, han, you grab
a bottle or at least.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He holds a water bottle in his hand facing an officer,
but the thirst isn't in his throat it's in a
mind dried of reason, emptied of humanity after unleashing a
brutal crime.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Are you all right? It's not as cold.
Speaker 10 (06:35):
But let me take this thing on here.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
That is he suit there beat and rabbit. Can you
get can? H kay?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (07:00):
Alright, alright man, just confirm uh your name Matthew, Yeah, okay,
initial Jay.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You spend your last time flim C.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
O and O M A R I M J L.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
You're a dress four seven h seven Russell. So it's
just uh, it's just you and mama that moves over
the Russell address.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
Oh it was okay, alright, let's see.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, alright man, before before we ask you any questions, alright,
I want you to understand your rights. Okay, get you
getta write your main time anything you say you don't east,
You got your court, You got a right to talk
to the lawd have have you have rights? Talk the lawid
for advice before we ask you any questions, and they
(07:58):
have him or her pregnant with you, dur any question.
If you can afford higher regard, won't be appointed to
representing for question. If you wish, you can decide at
any time to exercise these rights. Not answer any questions
or make any any statements.
Speaker 9 (08:09):
Do you understand it?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Where are they gonna do court? Uh? Here here? Yeah,
you're gonna you're gonna have a uh initial appearance here
on Monday, Eilie. Kay, okay, do you do you can
sign this? What is it for this? This is to
you understand your rights?
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Alright?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Okay? Is that a yes or no? You gonna put
yes or no if you understand? H Man, you're right, yeah,
I'm sweet. Okay. If you need me to read you
(09:13):
something else, just let me not.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
He doesn't deny it, he doesn't hide. Everything seems clear,
too clear? E really so. A father who remembers his
child's name, yet no longer remembers why the child no
longer breathes.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Okay, right, all right, man, do you know where you're here? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
What happened yesterday? Uh at the beginning of the day.
I've been out of my mind the last three months. Okay.
Speaker 12 (10:08):
I started taking all my medications. The syfe word called
me off all my medications.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, this I I had to pulled you off your mats.
Psyche word out uh yallas sound you know sound?
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
They pulled you off all the nuts. M oh. I
called my.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Mom about three months ago that I wasn't feeling right.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Okay, when you say not feeling right, what do you mean? Basically,
(11:08):
what I mean is that I was. I was, I
was finding I was finding normal and less like sitting
in my room itself. You could ask my mom I was.
Speaker 12 (11:18):
I was like cool, I was like smoking my weed
and stuff, and I was taking my suboxone and then
and then as soon as I got off my suboxone,
and I got all weird and shit.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Okay, and that was getting off there. You felt that
way after getting off the suboxing. Yeah, and kay, So
(11:54):
when you went were you feeling this way yesterday? When
did that? Uh? Uh? When did that start to come
on you? It's been happening like the last three months.
Is that like like daily?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah? Okay, So for the last three months daily you
haven't been feeling all that well. Have you expressed that
too to your mother?
Speaker 12 (12:20):
I tried to expressing as everyone that I don't I
don't feel I don't feel right, and there's nothing I
know what to do for me.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
So going back, going back to uh yesterday, Uh, when
when jackson was dropped off? Do you remember about what
time that was?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Do you remember Jan's dropping? Drags off?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, his memory fractures, time blurs. Asked when his son
was dropped off, he only shakes his head. The truth
is simple, yet his mind rejects it, like a ghost
hiding from daylight.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Matt, can you tell me what happened is today? Matt?
(13:47):
Do you remember calling nine one one?
Speaker 10 (13:51):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:52):
No, Man, I heard from a lot of people that
you were a good dad. I'm a good dad and
that you loved your son very much, so that I
(14:15):
I I want you to help me understand why what happened?
What happened yesterday? Did something? Did something set you off?
Did what what happened in that house? I don't know?
You don't or you don't know. Do you have anything
(14:36):
in your any TV? Picture? Anybody?
Speaker 10 (14:38):
Head?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
I'm just emotionless and just nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Kay.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
If I played you the nine only one recording, do
you think it would help you remember?
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
See four seven oh seven roucles?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
The phone number your calling from the very closely? Two
one six six sent six seven eight three seven and
what's the problem seve Eightif that would happen. I just
told my son.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
What do you mean you just told your son from
your voices?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (15:56):
Okay, how old your son?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Do you remember that? Now? Do you remember making that call? Okay,
so you do remember? Do you want some worry water?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The nine one one recording plays in the room, His
voice panicked yet articulate, as if two beings lived within him,
one that fears and one whose soul had already gone dark.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Yeah, okay, well that's a good thing you do remember, okay,
making the call. I don't remember a lot of stuff. Okay,
(16:47):
let's talk about the stuff you do remember, all right.
Do you remember you you texted Jack one, Jack's therapist
and you told her to you know, you know, don't
don't bother coming today. You know, I'm just sick as fuck.
Do you remember giving her a text that said that no, no,
(17:11):
Jack's had an appointment at one forty five with Jacqueline.
Do you know who Jacquine iss therapist? Okay, because I
have a very feeling right, Okay, you don't remember, Senator,
that text that said that don't bother coming? No, Well
(17:33):
you sent that you sent that text to twelve thirty eight?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Okay, in just twenty eight short minutes after his son
was dropped off, something horrifying occurred. Matt was no longer
the gentle father. He had become the embodiment of something inexplicable.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Janice dropped off, Jack said about twelve and left you
at about twelve ten. So in between that, you know,
we're talking about what twenty eight minutes. In that twenty
eight minutes.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Kind of.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know, wondering what happened in that home. Evidence is
gonna suggest, you know, different things I'd like to hear
from you, and kind of I need to go to
the psyche cord. You need to go to the psych word. Yes, okay, okay,
(18:49):
do you remember anything in that twenty eight minutes? I
just remember not feeling right, No feeling right? Yeah, Okay,
Some's not Some is not right. Okay.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
I've been trying to explain that to people for the
last three months, that some's not right.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Have you had have you had numerous doctors or is
this there's the one? Is there one doctor after that?
Had numerous doctors?
Speaker 12 (19:19):
Have been numerous hospitals, I've had numerous psych word trips, kay.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Mat where there were all these were all these business
were they offer psych issues or were they? Uh some
of these for drug issues? Off both? Have you uh?
Have you been using? I don't lately, not lately. Okay,
(19:58):
that's cause I don't have some money.
Speaker 14 (20:00):
Okay, Kaya, Do you remember the police coming to your
(20:27):
house yesterday?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He remembers the police arriving, the electric shock surging through
his body, but before that nothing clear. It's as if
his own mind buried the memory of the crime in
a fog of madness.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the cops are there.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
What happened when the cops got there.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
First?
Speaker 10 (20:50):
The light of them?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Okay, And what happened? Uh?
Speaker 12 (21:05):
They uh they got tased?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Or is yeah, we got tased? So you got tased yesterday? Okay.
Why'd you get tasted? Cause I I was put my
hand in my pocket.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
Kay, mkay.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
So after you got tased, do you do you remember
anything after that?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I only went to the hospital.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Mkay.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Okay, So you remember getting page, you remember going to
the hospital. I want you to back up a little bit. Okay,
do you remember what happened inside the house. It's okay, man,
No it's not. It's okay to let it out. No,
(22:24):
it's not.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
You can do it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
It's okay, it's okay, it's okay to talk about it now.
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Emotions swell, but the words never come. A desperate father
trapped inside his own mind, torn between wanting to scream
and wanting to flee from what he's done.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I know you're a good dad. Okay, that's not the issue.
It's not the issue. I know you loved him very much.
Something happened, Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
It's okay.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Let it out. Okay, you let it out. You can
tell me. Did something happen in the house that just
made you snap to with him?
Speaker 9 (23:29):
Dog?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It just stood feel fucking crazzy.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I know.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Nobody's denying that you're a good dad. You nobody. Everybody
had talked to everybody, everybody, Janice, Chim, your mom, everybody.
This is not this is not you. Okay, there's no
(23:58):
get how dansk is there anything? He's a violent man? Now,
answer has always been now, everybody have talked to So
something had to just trigger what happened. Okay, let me
(24:20):
ask you a question, just a reverse course a little bit,
when Jacks, when Jacks came over to the house, when
Jane dropped him off. What was he wearing? Do you remember,
just regular clothes? Yeah? Okay, So when later on he
was just wearing the diaper, did you end up taking
(24:41):
off his clothes or did he just take off his
clothes or or was that something that he does? No,
he takes his clothes off, he does.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The boy wearing only a diaper, holding his tablet, innocent
as always. No one could have imagined that in that
moment of peace, a silent, deadly darkness was rising right
behind him.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Were you guys, uh? Were you guys playing any games
or anything like that? I noticed he had Uh, he
had a tablet of had who he was using? He's
always got his tablet? Okay? Were you working on the
tablet with him at all? Playing with him? Okay? See
you guys were playing? What happened next? Yeah? What of
(26:53):
the mest? Did whatever happen happen pretty soon after Janice
(27:20):
dropped him off.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The fatal moment may have come right after Janice left,
but Matt won't say. In his shattered mind, there's no time,
no sequence, only chaos.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
It's okay to say it, Matt. They just want a
good help. I know you do. We're gonna get you
to help.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Guys aren't gonna help me. Why why do you say that?
Cause I want to be in prison the rest of
my life matter. If you're sick, you're sick. That's sick
as fuck. M And can you help me understand what
(28:35):
went on yesterday? Have you been? Have you we have
an these thoughts? Now? Were you having these thoughts before
(28:58):
Jazz dropped 'em off?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well?
Speaker 6 (29:01):
No, something something snapped, right, man, something snapped. I didn't
(29:28):
do nothing. What do you mean you didn't do nothing?
I've n I've never I've never been a violent person
in my life. I know, I know that's not a dispute.
(29:55):
It's not I told you that from the beginning. I
know you're not violent. That's why I want you to
help me understand why what happened happened?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I mean, Matt doesn't deny it. He only begs to
be sent to a psychiatric ward. That place, temporary or not,
seems to be the only refuge for someone who can
no longer control himself.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Ah, Matt, what do you think should.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
Happen to you?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
I want to be blacked, not like the cars? Right?
Why don't he sent to the psych word? Tell me
(31:09):
why you need to be sent to the psyche work.
So if you get evaluated, kay, and I and I
agree you need to be evaluated. N not not in dispute.
We still have to talk about what happened at the house.
(31:29):
We have to get through that. And once we can
get through that, that we can get through anything. I'm
gonna be imprisoned the rest of my life. Well, if
you're sick, I mean, who's just who's to say you
don't belong in the psyche work. I'm not a psychiatrist,
(31:51):
cause a psyche board can't keep you forever. Okay, I
don't know how long a psyche word can keep you
(32:13):
or cannot keep you. Okay, I'm not that I don't
have that kind of information, all right, But as far
as as far as your future, I mean, let's worry
about what happened first across that bridge when we come
(32:34):
to it sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
My son loved me, Matt mutters, through tears, the words
stab like a knife, an innocent child loving the very
man who ended his life in a mental collapse.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
What would Jack say about you? But if you loved me?
He did?
Speaker 13 (32:58):
Yeah, I have no doubt he did.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
No doubt. Sometimes things just happen. Were you lose all
control for a brief my brief moment? And is that
(33:36):
what happened yesterday? What did you just lose control?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
No, try to restart. Yes ah, I was. I was
(34:21):
sitting in my room. I was completely n I was
completely normal.
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Okay, and then I'm trying to think of what happened.
But something told me that I needed to kill myself. Okay,
(34:55):
and uh.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I just lost all control.
Speaker 12 (35:02):
Since then happened in and out of in and out
of psyche words, in and out of rehabs and shits.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
There's not nothing's nothing's felt real. I like keep phone.
(35:34):
So yeah, see was this yesterday? You were sitting in
your room when you when you felt us? Ah, it
was like a couple months and months ago. Okay, that's
what happened yesterday. Let's go. Let's go back to last weekend.
(35:58):
You had the jacks so for three days Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Was it a good visit?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Remember what you guys did? I was just doing it
only you. I mean, did you go anywhere we seen?
Was it a nice one? I think it was a
nice weekend last weekend. Yeah, it was nice. Did you guys,
do anything go to the park anything like that? Why
my mom? Okay, did you guys get ice cream? Anything
like that? No? Overall, good three days, good visit. And
(36:32):
you were alone with Jack's numerous times during that visit. Yeah,
did you have any of these thoughts?
Speaker 10 (36:41):
Then?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, just a week ago, life seemed peaceful. Father and
son visited the park, laughed, played. No one knew that
this piece was merely a calm before a nightmare no
one could escape.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Did you get along with your well James and John? Yeah?
I love them, Kay, I love means they do?
Speaker 10 (37:06):
They do?
Speaker 6 (37:11):
You know if they told me today what they forgive you,
that's not all right, that's what that's not right.
Speaker 10 (37:25):
It is they do.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
They said, this is not who you are. Mad, That's
exactly what they said. This is not who who you are.
And they said, where I was able to talk to you,
I was gonna find out for myself that you're a
(37:48):
good dad. I'm not a dad no more. You'll always
be a dad, not a dad or what? And this
isn't me? So what happened? Do you remember? Do you
(38:13):
remember where? Do you remember where everything started? In the house?
Could just start upstairs in the upper second floor. What
whatever happened with you in Jackson the house? We were
just hanging out? Yeah, and and what what happened after that?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Any help?
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Kinda?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
My son loved me? The imagined words tore through Matt's soul.
Forgiveness from family couldn't ease the loss. He knew he
had forever lost the right call himself a father.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
I want to get you that out. There are steps first,
you know that, you do. You know there's things we
have to discuss first. We have to get to the
bottom of line a he Please just give me some help.
(39:49):
I will. I will let me get you evaluated when
soon soon. I don't want anything to avenue.
Speaker 10 (40:03):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
I don't think you're a bad person.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I d I don't. I I want you to know
that I think something came over you, something any any snapper,
That's what I think. I don't think this defines who
you are. I you're for all accounts and purposes, you
(40:34):
have a drug issue, and you were a loving father always.
Now I I looked on Facebook, I saw I I
saw how you were with your song on which posted.
I know who you are. You know a little bit
from you know from our brief encounter. So I know
(40:56):
I know that this, you know, terrible thing. It wasn't
you know, something normal for you? You know what I
mean is normal? No, No, it's not, it's not. It's
(41:19):
all right to talk about it.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
I didn't even snap over anything. Okay? Was it just
it's been moved in my mind? Okay? Matt? Where was
the bat? At? Did you have to go get it
in the garage? You did?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
When asked about the baseball bat, Matt bowed his head.
He admitted walking to the garage to get it. It
wasn't a blackout. It was a conscious step into the
darkest part of himself.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Man, did you have to go get in a garage? Okay?
And guy, guide me through what happened after that? I
know this is hard.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
I know this is hard.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
I do. I'm not judging you one day. I No,
I'm not. I'm not. I am. My heart aches for you.
It does, it does. What happened after that? Do you
(43:28):
remember going that thing in the house with the bat? No? One,
don't forgive me. I know you're carrying a lot with
(43:54):
you right now. I know, Matt. Do you remember hitting
your son?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Do you remember hitting your son. The question struck like
a hammer. Matt remained silent. The room sank into sobs,
and the weight of a past slowly bleeding through his soul.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
It's okay to let it out. Hes my water, ma'am.
(45:40):
If if Jack could tell me what happened, what would
he tell me? He was no verbal? If he could,
what would he tell me?
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Am?
Speaker 8 (46:33):
Sorry about.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
What was your question? If Jext could tell me what happened,
what would he tell me?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
H Jacks couldn't speak, But if he could, what would
he say? The question made Matt tremble, because if that
child had a voice, perhaps the world itself would never
forgive his father.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
And talking to my mom, to talk to mom. She
worried about you. She loved you very much. I don't
(47:52):
stuck like this? What do you mean you stop? H?
(48:15):
I never just still like this? Never? When did you
start taving? Kind of like mental issues about three years
ago when I was a little kill you a little?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Alright?
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Have you ever have you ever done anything to anybody?
Speaker 7 (48:37):
Did?
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Anybody doesn't know about you? Know what I mean? Do
you have any secrets that you've nothing? You ever done anything?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Like?
Speaker 6 (48:46):
You never heard anybody that nobody knows about? Oh, I
mean at this point you know alright? I so you
still want to buy on it? Yesterday was was violent?
You've ever been in your life for a brief minute
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or two, go find out why. That's all.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
You know?
Speaker 6 (49:17):
Why?
Speaker 3 (49:26):
A seven year relationship ended when she got clean and
Matt spiraled deeper into addiction, alcohol, drugs, and a fractured
mind became the road that dragged him toward irreversible ruin.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
A need help? Yeah? What about? What about Jack's mother?
Your relationship with her? Sam ansonder? Seven years? Seven years? Yeah, okay,
just good? Seven years? Yeah? Yeah, you love her?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (49:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (50:01):
What happened with that? She that she got sober and
I was fucked up? Did you guys? Uh? Split up?
Speaker 9 (50:28):
And just what?
Speaker 6 (50:31):
Mostly just cause of the drugs? Did there?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (50:34):
How long ago was that?
Speaker 1 (50:36):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (50:36):
Two years ago? Two years? Did that make uh? Did
that make everything else worse? Well? I mean, yeah, said,
(50:56):
have you dated it out? Since? I'll fuck around a
couple of girls, but nothing, no, nobody? Did you love? No?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (51:23):
What do I tell Samantha on why some psychotic? Do
(51:50):
you remember the Internet?
Speaker 3 (51:53):
No?
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Do you remember going outside to the garage? You remember
getting the bat. You already told me he did. Matt,
you already told me. You remember that part. You remember
going in the house, You remember the cops showing up.
(52:25):
You remember what you did with the with your hand,
the reason why you got pazed. You remember all of that.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Matt remembered every step walking to the garage, grabbing the bat,
returning inside. That short walk was enough to turn a
father into a murderer in the eyes of the world.
Speaker 6 (52:49):
This isn't mean from everybody I've talked to, they agree
with you the soon Thatt you. This isn't Are you
worried about how what people think about you right now? Uh?
Worried about that? Well? I mean your family members, stuff
like that, because I'm I'm here to tell you talking
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to them. They care about you a lot. They love
you very much. This is this isn't a special case.
This isn't some bad person did something bad to somebody else.
This is this is different. This is different. Everybody loves you.
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Everybody has talked about what a good father you are,
how wonderful you where you were with your son. I'm
not a father in all way. Okay, how'd you find
out what happened? And you told me, you don't remember.
(53:55):
How'd you find out what happened? Did somebody tell you?
And up here? I ended up here? Well, do you
know what happened? You don't? Did something in your head
(54:29):
tell you to go get that bath? What else? Go through?
What else? What happened? Go through it?
Speaker 10 (54:44):
You know what happened?
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Tell me what happened. I want you to know. I
want to know that you know? Okay?
Speaker 3 (54:54):
In anguish, Matt tried to recall was there a voice
inside his head? Or was it just a moment? And
reason collapsed, suffocated by a growing darkness in his broken psyche.
Speaker 6 (55:07):
Trust me, I'm not like I.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Know you're not.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I don't even have a phony.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
On my record.
Speaker 6 (55:34):
So what happened? What happened? After Janice dropped Jack's off yesterday,
you guys talked in the front yard for a couple
of minutes. He told Janis that you went to your
uh you had an appointment tuesday with a psychiatrist and
that they prescribed you subox and correct, you didn't go
to that appointment. Why did you? Why'd you like to work?
(55:58):
M no reason? I mean, uh, but I I don't
know your relationship all uh with her? That well, I mean,
I know that's Samantha's mother. I don't know if maybe
sometimes you just don't want her to know all your
business or or what. I don't know that. Man, Do
(56:20):
you have suboxins at home?
Speaker 3 (56:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (56:23):
Is that something that you need? Survives him?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (56:27):
H did the psychiatrist. Was a psychiatrist kind of prescribe
you suboxins? M I was on 'em before? And did
they help you? Yeah? Okay, So we're back in the uh,
back in the yard talking to her. She takes off
her appointment. Remember what time? What time did she say
(56:48):
she was gonna be down and back? What time would
she say she's gonna pick Jacks up?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
After Janice left, they were just a father and son
enjoying a normal afternoon.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Mhm.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
The boy watched YouTube, Matt smoked outside. But in that
ordinary moment, a deadly decision began to form.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
I know she was, she was going there, she planning
her first. She might have one cancer. Okay, okay, does
that make you? Said? Yeah, mom is easy? He said,
(57:32):
you had a good relationship with her, so I mean
that's important. After she drops her drops Jack off, talk
to her for a few minutes, you guys go into
the side door into the house. Okay, what happens next?
You guys playing games? Watching TV? Plans, YouTube plans, YouTube?
(57:53):
All right? What were you doing? I was in the
backyard smile thing. Okay, So was he? Was he in
the house or was he outside with you? He was inside,
He's inside. What happened then? Aron, just out in the
back of smoking. Say what happened next? Mm? You don't know.
(58:17):
Did you go in the garage at that point? Or
did you go back in the house?
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (58:25):
I think from that point I I went back inside.
Speaker 10 (58:29):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (58:29):
Where was he at in the house? She was outside? No?
Speaker 7 (58:33):
I know?
Speaker 6 (58:33):
But uh was the upstairs in the basement? Was he
on the first floor? He was on the first floor?
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Mkay? See what inside? What happened after that?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
I didn't mean to Matt repeated it like a chant.
But walking into the house with a bat in hand,
there was intent, maybe not planned, but no longer accidental.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
I didn't mean to do it, Okay, I really, I
know leaving I know you didn't. Nobody would. So what
walk me through it. We'll do it real quick and
we'll be down to it, and not to talk about
well there's a little bit to talk about. Okay, I
(59:58):
know you didn't mean to do it. You went back
in the house. Did you ever have a bat with
you when you went back in the house? And then
what I'm not talking about it? This is just too hard.
That's okay. I'll listen to you. Do I will. Holy
(01:00:42):
I came me in prison. I don't know, I don't know.
That's not me for for me to decide.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
The bat stood deep in the garage. Matt had to
fetch it himself. No voices, no hallucinations, just a man
wrestling with his demons and losing completely.
Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Man, where was do you tell me this part? Where
was the bat in the garage? Was it in a box?
Was it leaning up against the wall.
Speaker 10 (01:01:33):
In the back?
Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
He's in the back right, you're outside smoking. You went
(01:02:01):
to get it, You went to retrieve the vat you
went in the house. Did it just happen after that?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
S after it happened? How long?
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
How long did it take you before you call 'em
nine on one?
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
A while?
Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Did you go out and have a couple of cigarettes?
Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
No? Did you call anybody called at Hobbs? Did you
call 'em immediately or did you have to get yourself
together a little bit? Ah? I called 'em right away,
called 'em right away. Kay, alright? Did you get stop
(01:02:57):
to your mom last night?
Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Make sure we get to call her again real quick
later on if you want to.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
That insisted his son. Never once annoyed him? Then why?
That question hung heavy in the air. No answer came,
only guilt swallowing the man who had nowhere left to go?
Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Man, can you tell me was was Jack's doing anything
that annoyed you yesterday? For oh?
Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
Never?
Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Never in our life? He never annoyed me ever? Can
you tell me why then that time?
Speaker 10 (01:03:51):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
All right, are gonna take little bit but break sack? Alright,
goad and collect your song.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Hello, thanks for sure? Sorry about okay, hitipee, And then
(01:05:11):
I jotted down a few different things. Okay, so we
you you left your phone in the front blown?
Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Do you have a pass code on that phone? No?
Is it it's open?
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Can I have your pass mode? No? Okay? Why not?
You don't want to see anything inside of it? Okay?
Is there anything in the phone you don't want me
to see? No? No, okay, there's some things you were
(01:05:46):
asking about. Why I was out there thinking about it.
You asked about a prison sentence. Alright, Uh, basically a
prison sentence is kinda come down to you'd never been
in trouble before, alright, Like you said, you really haven't
you ever been in a felony or anything like that.
So I don't know how much you understand about the
legal the legal process. Basically, the more truthful you are
(01:06:10):
in out front you are at this moment, determines what
what they're willing to do for you. Do you know
what I mean, if you're willing to yeah, boom, this
is what I did. I'm a f I I can't
believe I I did it. And then I I have
some issues, this is why I did it, blah blah
(01:06:31):
blah okay, and then they have a reason why. I
just things like that and cause you cause you asked.
So if you ask me a question, I'm gonna try
to read the best POSSIBLEY. I don't wanna. I don't
wanna sit there and tell you any lies or anything
like that. If you ask me something like I do
(01:06:53):
a little bit of research, you find out, So do
you wanna talk a little bit frem or about about
what happened. Matt, I do you know that I believe
that you're not a bad guy. Yeah, I don't know
(01:07:15):
that you you know that I believe that, right? Yeah? Okay, good?
I want you to I w I want you to
know that, and I want you to know that you
could always talk to me. Alright, I'm I'll leave you
my information and stuff like that. You know, you're of
course gonna get attorneys involved later on and and and
(01:07:37):
this and that. But Matt, if you ever wanna speak
with me, you can, alright. I know you're I know.
I know it hurts I too. I cried myself, Okay,
I did, right. I didn't sleep last night. I didn't.
(01:08:05):
I saw you at the hospital yesterday. Yeah, I thought, Wow,
you're just so lost, you know what I mean, You're
just lost. And that's all you are at this moment
is lost. That's all that's been lost. I know. And
I know you didn't do the s purpose. I know
you didn't. I know you love your son.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
He was told that honesty now might shape his fate,
but Matt seemed lost in a legal desert, unsure whether
to confess or cling to the last scraps of his
crumbling identity.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
And those people that love you, they love me, and
they forgive you or a because they know you didn't
do this on purpose. It's not okay. Look, it's not okay. No,
if you're right, it's not okay. I agree with you there,
it's not okay. But what you can't can't take it back?
(01:09:10):
Some take backs in life, and now you gotta move forward.
You can't right now it right now? You think you can't.
I know it. It's impossible for you to to look
at down the road and and see anything, cause I
(01:09:31):
who the fuck could? Who could? But right here, right now,
you're the opportunity of just tell me what happened, Explain
to your side of the story, what the fuck happened
and maybe why, and the prosecution will be able to
(01:09:59):
see that. You know, Math, Math's got some issues and
this is what he did. And I know you're remorseful. Okay,
that that that's big too. I show you were remorseful.
I know you can fucking you mean to do this.
I didn't, man, you know, believe me. I know we're
on the same page. Okay. I don't think you're evil.
(01:10:24):
I don't think not evil. I don't think you're a monster.
I don't, Man, it could have been It could have
been me, It could have been it could have been anybody.
Things happen to good people all the time, and I
see it every day. But I do my best to
(01:10:47):
can help these people the best I can. It helps
me sleep at night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (01:10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
It does.
Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
I don't know. Can I ask you when did you
know you were going to do what you were going
to do? I never know, Okay, I mean, was it
the exact moment it happened? Was it almost like I
(01:11:27):
can't even fucking believe I'm doing this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
It all began in the living room, no warning, no screams,
just a cold, calculated walk inside, baseball bat in hand,
and the empty eyes of a man who had already
lost everything.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Do you remember where it met? I know you remember it.
Where in the house did it first start? It's a
liver in a liviaar Okay. Did something happen in the
living room or is just one of those things where
you went and you got the bat and you walked
in and boom it was over. Yeah, And I gotta
(01:12:28):
ask you some tough questions, Okay, alright, and just go
through it with me again and again. I know the end.
You didn't You didn't mean to do this, Okay, I
(01:12:51):
know that sh Janis star Janis drops Jack's off. Just
say you had the story strait jastross Jack saw. He
goes inside. He's playing with his tablet on YouTube. You're
outside just uh on the back pat he just smoking
some cigarettes. Okay. You went into the garage, retrieved the
(01:13:15):
uh baseball bat which was in the back of the garage. MM. Okay, Uh,
you went into the house. Mmm. Where'd you go into
the house through the back door or through the side door?
The back door? He went through the back door. It's
sorry why he went through the back door? Did you
(01:13:36):
just walk right up to him and do it? I
don't wanna say about it. I know you don't. I
know you don't, but I don't wanna be able to
show that you know what happened and then you're remorseful
and I know you're you know what I mean? Yeah,
I know exactly that. I know exactly what you mean. Okay,
(01:13:57):
And if I can get you to that point, I
know you don't want to do Who would want to
do this? Nobody wants to do this if you trust
me enough to get you to that point and to
get that to the prosecutors that this.
Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Is what happened.
Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
He didn't mean for it to happen. It was kind
of like, you know, could you even label it like
a zombie walker? M And it just was it one
just continual thing, I mean to the garage, retreated back,
(01:14:42):
go in the house, and it happened. And then what
happened right.
Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
After that, right after Matt dialed nine one one, no hesitation.
But that final act couldn't erase what had happened. It
only proved that reason can return, but never in time
to undo the damage.
Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Called the cops. You didn't wait any any period of time.
I don't know, do you did you sit down? No, Matt,
do you remember touching your son on like his belly?
(01:15:30):
Did you kneel down him and maybe touch him with
your hand at all? Do you remember that? Why did
you do that? Just because there's a handprint on him,
that's all just like you know from the blood mark,
seeing if heels okay, seeing if he was okay? Did
(01:16:09):
you shake 'em it off?
Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
Matt?
Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Important question, look at me? Look did this happen? Before
or after you canceled the appointment with Jacqueline. After it
happened after you canceled with Jacqueline. So why did you
(01:16:55):
cancel with Jaquelin? So it was in fueling then? Did
you you really just weren't I mean the whole of
the mental thing or what I mean? Was it just
bearing down on you at that point?
Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
It's been bearing down on you for months. It's some
is sometimes would you characterize it as worse than other times?
And that day when Janis dropped off Jack's was it was?
Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
It?
Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Was it bearing down on you in that moment when
when you were out there talking in the yard with
Jans Mm, did you feel it? O? Now? Kay? See
you take Jacks inside, he's playing, and then you went
out to have a few cigarettes in the back yard.
Did it start bearing at your mind? Then? I don't
wanna all about it? Why don't just wanna talk about it?
(01:17:45):
Is that I didn't mean to do it. I know
you didn't. I know that's not the issue. Do you
know that? That's not the issue with with me and you?
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
I know you know, I know you didn't mean to
do it.
Speaker 10 (01:18:02):
I know now to doubt my mind.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
When asked why he canceled therapy, Matt simply said, I
didn't feel well, but that sickness had nodded him for months,
a silent mental rot that finally erupted beyond control.
Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
So were you in the backyard smoking the cigarettes? Yeah?
I smelled, And then what happened? What were what entered
your mind? Where in my mind? I don't know, you
don't know. So were you in the backyard when you
(01:18:55):
texted Jacqueline? I told her you weren't feeling good. You know,
where were you at in the house? Upstairs? Upstairs? Well,
take me back a little bit, because you never you
never told me about being upstairs wastairs listening to music?
(01:19:18):
Was that? Was that before everything.
Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Happened, before the tragedy unfolded, Matt and his son were
quietly playing upstairs. Everything felt eerily peaceful, like a storm
silently building behind the walls.
Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
Well, when I was listening to music, Yeah, yeah, I
was just showing up in my room. Was Jack Sua
playing with me? Okay? So you guys were up you
guys were upstairs at that point? Yeah, okay? And then, uh,
well we hadn't talked about that before. So because we're
just hanging out and he was being you know, good
doing this you two thing, and he decided to just
(01:19:58):
go outside because decent day out, not too bad and uh,
I just go uh a couple of cigarettes up back?
He smoking the house at all? No, no, never, lady
in the winter m does does Jack's walk up walk
(01:20:21):
up and downstairs pretty well? No problem? I mean zipping
up right up and down?
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
Yeah, he didn't fall down the stairs at all, nothing
like that. I mean that you're aware of, kah. So
when did this pop in your head to do this?
When you were outside or when you were upstairs listening
to music? The fuck? Is that what you're really thinking
(01:21:04):
about right now?
Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Yahu?
Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
I've interviewed a lot of people, and I don't think
that you really care about what's going on with you later.
Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
You know what I mean? When did this w When
did when did this pop in your head? Help me understand? Like,
(01:21:44):
nothing popped in my head? That's were you just on
an autopilot? What's that?
Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
Where you just fucking get up and just kind of
do something without even thinking about it? So why did
this happen? Then we were there? I wasn't I wanted
to be able to help you later on to dude,
(01:22:14):
I want to be able to tell them the actually,
this guy is remorseful. This guy told me what he did,
and he he's not who do you think he is?
You know what I mean? I don't know. Like I said,
I put your bag act. I never did. I look
(01:22:36):
at these cases and I think, you know, yeah, this
is a tragedy, but it's also a tragedy for you.
People seem to forget that.
Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
He didn't know what triggered it. No rage, no hatred,
just a lost mind spiraling into a void, acting on impulses.
Even he couldn't comprehend.
Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
You're losing somebody too, You know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (01:23:01):
I hit that.
Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Other people don't. So I mean, I'm looking to be
your voice to other people.
Speaker 10 (01:23:10):
M M excuse me?
Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
So you already give me a pass clothes your past close.
Is there anything in your phone that the that's gonna
help me understand? Why?
Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
No, could you help me understand? Why why did that?
Speaker 10 (01:23:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
I don't know. You don't how many times you hit 'em.
You don't lose more than once.
Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
Help me help you, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
You're not a throwaway.
Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
You're not.
Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
There's none jones to do with me.
Speaker 10 (01:24:28):
At this point, I can only.
Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
Tell them try to make him understand why. That's all.
And if you don't want me to do that, then
so you're gonna be tell 'em. The judge, tell the posecure,
(01:24:52):
We talk to the prosecure, and the prosecutor will decide
what kind of charges are appropriate, you know, evaluations and
all all all kinds of other stuff. If you need help,
(01:25:15):
we'll get you to help you need. But I need help.
I agree with uh. I got told it before. I
definitely agree. I'd like to get you to help. So
I'm gonna ask you one more time. It's a hard
tease talk about, brother, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
You and I both know what happened, Okay, The question
is why did it happen?
Speaker 10 (01:26:03):
I don't think you could answer that, but I can't
help to you on that one.
Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Matt couldn't recall how many times he struck. This wasn't
just a confession. It was a glimpse into a fractured
soul consumed by guilt and mental collapse.
Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
H did have anything? Can I ask you something? A
Manda man? Did he have anything to do with Samantha
and her new girlfriend. Now you're aware of that relationship
that make you mad at all?
Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Make me mad?
Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
It would, my lie. I've been in different relationships throughout
my life, and I think that had pissed me off.
This didn't have anything to do with Samantha. Now, okay,
were you mad at anybody?
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (01:27:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
You don't remember how.
Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
Many times she hit checks with the bat?
Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
Do you remember where you left the back? Thinks a
nast one? Mkay, when you knelt, when you knocked down
to check and when you touched him? Was he was
(01:28:05):
he still with us? Was he still alive? I can't
talk about it. You can't talk about it? Is it
just too hard to talk about it? I just can't
tell me why you can't talk about it, Ladies, it
just too hard for you at this point?
Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Or just just don't want to?
Speaker 6 (01:28:23):
What's just just too fucked up?
Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Alright, do you have any questions for me? No? Okay?
Do you have to get back on the phone with
Mom later on the night for sure?
Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:28:46):
Yeah, I think I range should make that happen. Yeah, okay,
So anybody else you wanna call? Nah, just my mom,
just just mom, if you wanna call down at all.
Speaker 10 (01:28:57):
That was Mom, right, all right, oh.
Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Sharon, all right, this is.
Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
And he's the last chance Matt.
Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
When asked who he wanted to call, Matt only said Mom.
And all that was shattered. The one anchor he still
reached for was the woman who once pulled him from
childhood shadows.
Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
What's the question why? I honestly don't know whow So
no anger towards anybody whatsoever. I don't. No, you don't
remember when you started to feel like this that day?
M So basically the time you spent yesterday. You went inside,
(01:30:11):
you went upstairs, you were listening to some music. He
was playing on uh his YouTube thing on the tablet.
You guys went downstairs in the living room he continued
to play. You went outside on the back patio. I
don't went outside the bout it, right, I'm just trying
to put together a time line, that's all. So, I know,
(01:30:32):
I know what what what the tella? That's all that's
a I mean, this isn't This isn't a who done it?
Or anything like that. Now, it's just a ma question
of of why. That's all. I'm not married about anything.
(01:31:11):
Uh why'd you do this? Then?
Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
M M?
Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
I don't know. Kay, alright, you ready take a little break,
a little break? Head back down? Have you back down?
Maybe get some deep uh, get hungry, getting hungry? Maybe
call my mom. I would like to call my mom. Yeah,
(01:31:57):
I don't see why not. We'll get that done. Hold
on the down, I got away from the escort. All right,
sure you don't have anything else to have right now? Okay,
maybe we'll talk again. All right, hey, hold on, wait,
(01:32:23):
sit down until he's ready.
Speaker 10 (01:32:28):
Nay mm hmm, behind you.
Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
I'll bear thank you, all right, math, come on out.
Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Hollow that.
Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Matthew Panomarenko will face charges of first degree murder and
is likely to be sentenced to life and without parole.
One moment of lost control ended the life of an
innocent child and stripped away a father's identity forever. This
is not just a family tragedy, but a wake up
call about the dangers of untreated mental illness in our society.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
What's the address to your emergency?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
A chilling call echoes through the gray Ohio air. A
man's voice rings like a death knew I just killed
my son. At this moment, the tragedy had already unfolded
beyond saving.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Oh, okay, and the phone number you're calling from the
very closely?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And what's the problem something exactly? What happened? I just
chose my phone? What do you mean you just killed
your son from hearing voices? Okay?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
How old your son?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Where's your son now? Instead dead? Whare in the living room?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Do you have any weapons? Can you just send an
we're doing that now. What's your name? Matt Piero? I'm sorry,
the first name, Matt, Matt Sell your last name for me?
Matt p o n O, m a are Ian Koe.
(01:18):
What's your son's name? Jack? Jack Jack j A X.
And you said you hear you're hearing voices? Yes, all right?
How did you kill your son? It's a baseball? You
(01:40):
killed him with a baseball? Bant mm hmm. And why
did you kill him with a baseball?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Dat?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't know. Is there anyone else there with you
and him?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, all right? Man We've got some units on the way.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Okay, I want you to stay on the phone with me.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And when did when did.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You do that?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
When? When did you sell your son?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah? When does this happen? Street? And I understand? When
did this happen? Matty? When did this happen? Okay? Matt?
(03:29):
Do you have any other weapons in the home?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The living room, once filled with a child's laughter, is
now a scene of death. Police aren't there yet. Only
silence remains and a father lost between reality and delusion.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
No, okay?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And when did this happen?
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Matt?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You're still there with me?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I met another name, Matt.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Okay, don't let me smok in the cars. You don't
let me smomp in the car?
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Where?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Where?
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Where? Where?
Speaker 9 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Alright, Matt, Matt? Where are you? Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Matt?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Three? All right, well, hold hold on a moment.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
K you're paying wants them to drink it all thirsty
and use attle are Yeah? Okay, hey, han, you grab
a bottle or at least.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
He holds a water bottle in his hand facing an officer,
but the thirst isn't in his throat it's in a
mind dried of reason, emptied of humanity after unleashing a
brutal crime.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Are you all right? It's not as cold.
Speaker 10 (06:35):
But let me take this thing on here.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
That is he suit there beat and rabbit. Can you
get can? H kay?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (07:00):
Alright, alright man, just confirm uh your name Matthew, Yeah, okay,
initial Jay.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You spend your last time flim C.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
O and O M A R I M J L.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
You're a dress four seven h seven Russell. So it's
just uh, it's just you and mama that moves over
the Russell address.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
Oh it was okay, alright, let's see.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, alright man, before before we ask you any questions, alright,
I want you to understand your rights. Okay, get you
getta write your main time anything you say you don't east,
You got your court, You got a right to talk
to the lawd have have you have rights? Talk the lawid
for advice before we ask you any questions, and they
(07:58):
have him or her pregnant with you, dur any question.
If you can afford higher regard, won't be appointed to
representing for question. If you wish, you can decide at
any time to exercise these rights. Not answer any questions
or make any any statements.
Speaker 9 (08:09):
Do you understand it?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Where are they gonna do court? Uh? Here here? Yeah,
you're gonna you're gonna have a uh initial appearance here
on Monday, Eilie. Kay, okay, do you do you can
sign this? What is it for this? This is to
you understand your rights?
Speaker 10 (08:33):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Alright?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Okay? Is that a yes or no? You gonna put
yes or no if you understand? H Man, you're right, yeah,
I'm sweet. Okay. If you need me to read you
(09:13):
something else, just let me not.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
He doesn't deny it, he doesn't hide. Everything seems clear,
too clear? E really so. A father who remembers his
child's name, yet no longer remembers why the child no
longer breathes.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Okay, right, all right, man, do you know where you're here? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
What happened yesterday? Uh at the beginning of the day.
I've been out of my mind the last three months. Okay.
Speaker 12 (10:08):
I started taking all my medications. The syfe word called
me off all my medications.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, this I I had to pulled you off your mats.
Psyche word out uh yallas sound you know sound?
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
They pulled you off all the nuts. M oh. I
called my.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Mom about three months ago that I wasn't feeling right.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Okay, when you say not feeling right, what do you mean? Basically,
(11:08):
what I mean is that I was. I was, I
was finding I was finding normal and less like sitting
in my room itself. You could ask my mom I was.
Speaker 12 (11:18):
I was like cool, I was like smoking my weed
and stuff, and I was taking my suboxone and then
and then as soon as I got off my suboxone,
and I got all weird and shit.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Okay, and that was getting off there. You felt that
way after getting off the suboxing. Yeah, and kay, So
(11:54):
when you went were you feeling this way yesterday? When
did that? Uh? Uh? When did that start to come
on you? It's been happening like the last three months.
Is that like like daily?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah? Okay, So for the last three months daily you
haven't been feeling all that well. Have you expressed that
too to your mother?
Speaker 12 (12:20):
I tried to expressing as everyone that I don't I
don't feel I don't feel right, and there's nothing I
know what to do for me.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
So going back, going back to uh yesterday, Uh, when
when jackson was dropped off? Do you remember about what
time that was?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Do you remember Jan's dropping? Drags off?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No, his memory fractures, time blurs. Asked when his son
was dropped off, he only shakes his head. The truth
is simple, yet his mind rejects it, like a ghost
hiding from daylight.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Matt, can you tell me what happened is today? Matt?
(13:47):
Do you remember calling nine one one?
Speaker 10 (13:51):
No?
Speaker 6 (13:52):
No, Man, I heard from a lot of people that
you were a good dad. I'm a good dad and
that you loved your son very much, so that I
(14:15):
I I want you to help me understand why what happened?
What happened yesterday? Did something? Did something set you off?
Did what what happened in that house? I don't know?
You don't or you don't know. Do you have anything
(14:36):
in your any TV? Picture? Anybody?
Speaker 10 (14:38):
Head?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
I'm just emotionless and just nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Kay.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
If I played you the nine only one recording, do
you think it would help you remember?
Speaker 8 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Ten?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
See four seven oh seven roucles?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
The phone number your calling from the very closely? Two
one six six sent six seven eight three seven and
what's the problem seve Eightif that would happen. I just
told my son.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
What do you mean you just told your son from
your voices?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (15:56):
Okay, how old your son?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Do you remember that? Now? Do you remember making that call? Okay,
so you do remember? Do you want some worry water?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The nine one one recording plays in the room, His
voice panicked yet articulate, as if two beings lived within him,
one that fears and one whose soul had already gone dark.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Yeah, okay, well that's a good thing you do remember, okay,
making the call. I don't remember a lot of stuff. Okay,
(16:47):
let's talk about the stuff you do remember, all right.
Do you remember you you texted Jack one, Jack's therapist
and you told her to you know, you know, don't
don't bother coming today. You know, I'm just sick as fuck.
Do you remember giving her a text that said that no, no,
(17:11):
Jack's had an appointment at one forty five with Jacqueline.
Do you know who Jacquine iss therapist? Okay, because I
have a very feeling right, Okay, you don't remember, Senator,
that text that said that don't bother coming? No, Well
(17:33):
you sent that you sent that text to twelve thirty eight?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Okay, in just twenty eight short minutes after his son
was dropped off, something horrifying occurred. Matt was no longer
the gentle father. He had become the embodiment of something inexplicable.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Janice dropped off, Jack said about twelve and left you
at about twelve ten. So in between that, you know,
we're talking about what twenty eight minutes. In that twenty
eight minutes.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Kind of.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know, wondering what happened in that home. Evidence is
gonna suggest, you know, different things I'd like to hear
from you, and kind of I need to go to
the psyche cord. You need to go to the psych word. Yes, okay, okay,
(18:49):
do you remember anything in that twenty eight minutes? I
just remember not feeling right, No feeling right? Yeah, Okay,
Some's not Some is not right. Okay.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
I've been trying to explain that to people for the
last three months, that some's not right.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Have you had have you had numerous doctors or is
this there's the one? Is there one doctor after that?
Had numerous doctors?
Speaker 12 (19:19):
Have been numerous hospitals, I've had numerous psych word trips, kay.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Mat where there were all these were all these business
were they offer psych issues or were they? Uh some
of these for drug issues? Off both? Have you uh?
Have you been using? I don't lately, not lately. Okay,
(19:58):
that's cause I don't have some money.
Speaker 14 (20:00):
Okay, Kaya, Do you remember the police coming to your
(20:27):
house yesterday?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He remembers the police arriving, the electric shock surging through
his body, but before that nothing clear. It's as if
his own mind buried the memory of the crime in
a fog of madness.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yeah, I remember, I remember the cops are there.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
What happened when the cops got there.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
First?
Speaker 10 (20:50):
The light of them?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Okay, And what happened? Uh?
Speaker 12 (21:05):
They uh they got tased?
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Or is yeah, we got tased? So you got tased yesterday? Okay.
Why'd you get tasted? Cause I I was put my
hand in my pocket.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
Kay, mkay.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
So after you got tased, do you do you remember
anything after that?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I only went to the hospital.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Mkay.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Okay, So you remember getting page, you remember going to
the hospital. I want you to back up a little bit. Okay,
do you remember what happened inside the house. It's okay, man,
No it's not. It's okay to let it out. No,
(22:24):
it's not.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
You can do it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
It's okay, it's okay, it's okay to talk about it now.
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Emotions swell, but the words never come. A desperate father
trapped inside his own mind, torn between wanting to scream
and wanting to flee from what he's done.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I know you're a good dad. Okay, that's not the issue.
It's not the issue. I know you loved him very much.
Something happened, Okay.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
It's okay.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Let it out. Okay, you let it out. You can
tell me. Did something happen in the house that just
made you snap to with him?
Speaker 9 (23:29):
Dog?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
It just stood feel fucking crazzy.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I know.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Nobody's denying that you're a good dad. You nobody. Everybody
had talked to everybody, everybody, Janice, Chim, your mom, everybody.
This is not this is not you. Okay, there's no
(23:58):
get how dansk is there anything? He's a violent man? Now,
answer has always been now, everybody have talked to So
something had to just trigger what happened. Okay, let me
(24:20):
ask you a question, just a reverse course a little bit,
when Jacks, when Jacks came over to the house, when
Jane dropped him off. What was he wearing? Do you remember,
just regular clothes? Yeah? Okay, So when later on he
was just wearing the diaper, did you end up taking
(24:41):
off his clothes or did he just take off his
clothes or or was that something that he does? No,
he takes his clothes off, he does.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The boy wearing only a diaper, holding his tablet, innocent
as always. No one could have imagined that in that
moment of peace, a silent, deadly darkness was rising right
behind him.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Were you guys, uh? Were you guys playing any games
or anything like that? I noticed he had Uh, he
had a tablet of had who he was using? He's
always got his tablet? Okay? Were you working on the
tablet with him at all? Playing with him? Okay? See
you guys were playing? What happened next? Yeah? What of
(26:53):
the mest? Did whatever happen happen pretty soon after Janice
(27:20):
dropped him off.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
The fatal moment may have come right after Janice left,
but Matt won't say. In his shattered mind, there's no time,
no sequence, only chaos.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
It's okay to say it, Matt. They just want a
good help. I know you do. We're gonna get you
to help.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Guys aren't gonna help me. Why why do you say that?
Cause I want to be in prison the rest of
my life matter. If you're sick, you're sick. That's sick
as fuck. M And can you help me understand what
(28:35):
went on yesterday? Have you been? Have you we have
an these thoughts? Now? Were you having these thoughts before
(28:58):
Jazz dropped 'em off?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Well?
Speaker 6 (29:01):
No, something something snapped, right, man, something snapped. I didn't
(29:28):
do nothing. What do you mean you didn't do nothing?
I've n I've never I've never been a violent person
in my life. I know, I know that's not a dispute.
(29:55):
It's not I told you that from the beginning. I
know you're not violent. That's why I want you to
help me understand why what happened happened?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I mean, Matt doesn't deny it. He only begs to
be sent to a psychiatric ward. That place, temporary or not,
seems to be the only refuge for someone who can
no longer control himself.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Ah, Matt, what do you think should.
Speaker 10 (30:42):
Happen to you?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
I want to be blacked, not like the cars? Right?
Why don't he sent to the psych word? Tell me
(31:09):
why you need to be sent to the psyche work.
So if you get evaluated, kay, and I and I
agree you need to be evaluated. N not not in dispute.
We still have to talk about what happened at the house.
(31:29):
We have to get through that. And once we can
get through that, that we can get through anything. I'm
gonna be imprisoned the rest of my life. Well, if
you're sick, I mean, who's just who's to say you
don't belong in the psyche work. I'm not a psychiatrist,
(31:51):
cause a psyche board can't keep you forever. Okay, I
don't know how long a psyche word can keep you
(32:13):
or cannot keep you. Okay, I'm not that I don't
have that kind of information, all right, But as far
as as far as your future, I mean, let's worry
about what happened first across that bridge when we come
(32:34):
to it sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
My son loved me, Matt mutters, through tears, the words
stab like a knife, an innocent child loving the very
man who ended his life in a mental collapse.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
What would Jack say about you? But if you loved me?
He did?
Speaker 13 (32:58):
Yeah, I have no doubt he did.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
No doubt. Sometimes things just happen. Were you lose all
control for a brief my brief moment? And is that
(33:36):
what happened yesterday? What did you just lose control?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
No?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
No, try to restart. Yes ah, I was. I was
(34:21):
sitting in my room. I was completely n I was
completely normal.
Speaker 15 (34:28):
Okay, and then I'm trying to think of what happened.
But something told me that I needed to kill myself. Okay,
(34:55):
and uh.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
I just lost all control.
Speaker 12 (35:02):
Since then happened in and out of in and out
of psyche words, in and out of rehabs and shits.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
There's not nothing's nothing's felt real. I like keep phone.
(35:34):
So yeah, see was this yesterday? You were sitting in
your room when you when you felt us? Ah, it
was like a couple months and months ago. Okay, that's
what happened yesterday. Let's go. Let's go back to last weekend.
(35:58):
You had the jacks so for three days Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Was it a good visit?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Remember what you guys did? I was just doing it
only you. I mean, did you go anywhere we seen?
Was it a nice one? I think it was a
nice weekend last weekend. Yeah, it was nice. Did you guys,
do anything go to the park anything like that? Why
my mom? Okay, did you guys get ice cream? Anything
like that? No? Overall, good three days, good visit. And
(36:32):
you were alone with Jack's numerous times during that visit. Yeah,
did you have any of these thoughts?
Speaker 10 (36:41):
Then?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, just a week ago, life seemed peaceful. Father and
son visited the park, laughed, played. No one knew that
this piece was merely a calm before a nightmare no
one could escape.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Did you get along with your well James and John? Yeah?
I love them, Kay, I love means they do?
Speaker 10 (37:06):
They do?
Speaker 6 (37:11):
You know if they told me today what they forgive you,
that's not all right, that's what that's not right.
Speaker 10 (37:25):
It is they do.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
They said, this is not who you are. Mad, That's
exactly what they said. This is not who who you are.
And they said, where I was able to talk to you,
I was gonna find out for myself that you're a
(37:48):
good dad. I'm not a dad no more. You'll always
be a dad, not a dad or what? And this
isn't me? So what happened? Do you remember? Do you
(38:13):
remember where? Do you remember where everything started? In the house?
Could just start upstairs in the upper second floor. What
whatever happened with you in Jackson the house? We were
just hanging out? Yeah, and and what what happened after that?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Any help?
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Kinda?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
My son loved me? The imagined words tore through Matt's soul.
Forgiveness from family couldn't ease the loss. He knew he
had forever lost the right call himself a father.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
I want to get you that out. There are steps first,
you know that, you do. You know there's things we
have to discuss first. We have to get to the
bottom of line a he Please just give me some help.
(39:49):
I will. I will let me get you evaluated when
soon soon. I don't want anything to avenue.
Speaker 10 (40:03):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
I don't think you're a bad person.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
I d I don't. I I want you to know
that I think something came over you, something any any snapper,
That's what I think. I don't think this defines who
you are. I you're for all accounts and purposes, you
(40:34):
have a drug issue, and you were a loving father always.
Now I I looked on Facebook, I saw I I
saw how you were with your song on which posted.
I know who you are. You know a little bit
from you know from our brief encounter. So I know
(40:56):
I know that this, you know, terrible thing. It wasn't
you know, something normal for you? You know what I
mean is normal? No, No, it's not, it's not. It's
(41:19):
all right to talk about it.
Speaker 10 (41:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
I didn't even snap over anything. Okay? Was it just
it's been moved in my mind? Okay? Matt? Where was
the bat? At? Did you have to go get it
in the garage? You did?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
When asked about the baseball bat, Matt bowed his head.
He admitted walking to the garage to get it. It
wasn't a blackout. It was a conscious step into the
darkest part of himself.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Man, did you have to go get in a garage? Okay?
And guy, guide me through what happened after that? I
know this is hard.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
I know this is hard.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
I do. I'm not judging you one day. I No,
I'm not. I'm not. I am. My heart aches for you.
It does, it does. What happened after that? Do you
(43:28):
remember going that thing in the house with the bat? No? One,
don't forgive me. I know you're carrying a lot with
(43:54):
you right now. I know, Matt. Do you remember hitting
your son?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Do you remember hitting your son. The question struck like
a hammer. Matt remained silent. The room sank into sobs,
and the weight of a past slowly bleeding through his soul.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
It's okay to let it out. Hes my water, ma'am.
(45:40):
If if Jack could tell me what happened, what would
he tell me? He was no verbal? If he could,
what would he tell me?
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Am?
Speaker 8 (46:33):
Sorry about.
Speaker 6 (46:47):
What was your question? If Jext could tell me what happened,
what would he tell me?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
H Jacks couldn't speak, But if he could, what would
he say? The question made Matt tremble, because if that
child had a voice, perhaps the world itself would never
forgive his father.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
And talking to my mom, to talk to mom. She
worried about you. She loved you very much. I don't
(47:52):
stuck like this? What do you mean you stop? H?
(48:15):
I never just still like this? Never? When did you
start taving? Kind of like mental issues about three years
ago when I was a little kill you a little?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Alright?
Speaker 6 (48:34):
Have you ever have you ever done anything to anybody?
Speaker 7 (48:37):
Did?
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Anybody doesn't know about you? Know what I mean? Do
you have any secrets that you've nothing? You ever done anything?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Like?
Speaker 6 (48:46):
You never heard anybody that nobody knows about? Oh, I
mean at this point you know alright? I so you
still want to buy on it? Yesterday was was violent?
You've ever been in your life for a brief minute
(49:08):
or two, go find out why. That's all.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
You know?
Speaker 6 (49:17):
Why?
Speaker 3 (49:26):
A seven year relationship ended when she got clean and
Matt spiraled deeper into addiction, alcohol, drugs, and a fractured
mind became the road that dragged him toward irreversible ruin.
Speaker 6 (49:39):
A need help? Yeah? What about? What about Jack's mother?
Your relationship with her? Sam ansonder? Seven years? Seven years? Yeah, okay,
just good? Seven years? Yeah? Yeah, you love her?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (49:59):
Right?
Speaker 6 (50:01):
What happened with that? She that she got sober and
I was fucked up? Did you guys? Uh? Split up?
Speaker 9 (50:28):
And just what?
Speaker 6 (50:31):
Mostly just cause of the drugs? Did there?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (50:34):
How long ago was that?
Speaker 1 (50:36):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (50:36):
Two years ago? Two years? Did that make uh? Did
that make everything else worse? Well? I mean, yeah, said,
(50:56):
have you dated it out? Since? I'll fuck around a
couple of girls, but nothing, no, nobody? Did you love? No?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (51:23):
What do I tell Samantha on why some psychotic? Do
(51:50):
you remember the Internet?
Speaker 3 (51:53):
No?
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Do you remember going outside to the garage? You remember
getting the bat. You already told me he did. Matt,
you already told me. You remember that part. You remember
going in the house, You remember the cops showing up.
(52:25):
You remember what you did with the with your hand,
the reason why you got pazed. You remember all of that.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Matt remembered every step walking to the garage, grabbing the bat,
returning inside. That short walk was enough to turn a
father into a murderer in the eyes of the world.
Speaker 6 (52:49):
This isn't mean from everybody I've talked to, they agree
with you the soon Thatt you. This isn't Are you
worried about how what people think about you right now? Uh?
Worried about that? Well? I mean your family members, stuff
like that, because I'm I'm here to tell you talking
(53:11):
to them. They care about you a lot. They love
you very much. This is this isn't a special case.
This isn't some bad person did something bad to somebody else.
This is this is different. This is different. Everybody loves you.
(53:34):
Everybody has talked about what a good father you are,
how wonderful you where you were with your son. I'm
not a father in all way. Okay, how'd you find
out what happened? And you told me, you don't remember.
(53:55):
How'd you find out what happened? Did somebody tell you?
And up here? I ended up here? Well, do you
know what happened? You don't? Did something in your head
(54:29):
tell you to go get that bath? What else? Go through?
What else? What happened? Go through it?
Speaker 10 (54:44):
You know what happened?
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Tell me what happened. I want you to know. I
want to know that you know? Okay?
Speaker 3 (54:54):
In anguish, Matt tried to recall was there a voice
inside his head? Or was it just a moment? And
reason collapsed, suffocated by a growing darkness in his broken psyche.
Speaker 6 (55:07):
Trust me, I'm not like I.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Know you're not.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I don't even have a phony.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
On my record.
Speaker 6 (55:34):
So what happened? What happened? After Janice dropped Jack's off yesterday,
you guys talked in the front yard for a couple
of minutes. He told Janis that you went to your
uh you had an appointment tuesday with a psychiatrist and
that they prescribed you subox and correct, you didn't go
to that appointment. Why did you? Why'd you like to work?
(55:58):
M no reason? I mean, uh, but I I don't
know your relationship all uh with her? That well, I mean,
I know that's Samantha's mother. I don't know if maybe
sometimes you just don't want her to know all your
business or or what. I don't know that. Man, Do
(56:20):
you have suboxins at home?
Speaker 3 (56:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (56:23):
Is that something that you need? Survives him?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (56:27):
H did the psychiatrist. Was a psychiatrist kind of prescribe
you suboxins? M I was on 'em before? And did
they help you? Yeah? Okay, So we're back in the uh,
back in the yard talking to her. She takes off
her appointment. Remember what time? What time did she say
(56:48):
she was gonna be down and back? What time would
she say she's gonna pick Jacks up?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
After Janice left, they were just a father and son
enjoying a normal afternoon.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Mhm.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
The boy watched YouTube, Matt smoked outside. But in that
ordinary moment, a deadly decision began to form.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
I know she was, she was going there, she planning
her first. She might have one cancer. Okay, okay, does
that make you? Said? Yeah, mom is easy? He said,
(57:32):
you had a good relationship with her, so I mean
that's important. After she drops her drops Jack off, talk
to her for a few minutes, you guys go into
the side door into the house. Okay, what happens next?
You guys playing games? Watching TV? Plans, YouTube plans, YouTube?
(57:53):
All right? What were you doing? I was in the
backyard smile thing. Okay, So was he? Was he in
the house or was he outside with you? He was inside,
He's inside. What happened then? Aron, just out in the
back of smoking. Say what happened next? Mm? You don't know.
(58:17):
Did you go in the garage at that point? Or
did you go back in the house?
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (58:25):
I think from that point I I went back inside.
Speaker 10 (58:29):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (58:29):
Where was he at in the house? She was outside? No?
Speaker 7 (58:33):
I know?
Speaker 6 (58:33):
But uh was the upstairs in the basement? Was he
on the first floor? He was on the first floor?
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Mkay? See what inside? What happened after that?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
I didn't mean to Matt repeated it like a chant.
But walking into the house with a bat in hand,
there was intent, maybe not planned, but no longer accidental.
Speaker 6 (59:33):
I didn't mean to do it, Okay, I really, I
know leaving I know you didn't. Nobody would. So what
walk me through it. We'll do it real quick and
we'll be down to it, and not to talk about
well there's a little bit to talk about. Okay, I
(59:58):
know you didn't mean to do it. You went back
in the house. Did you ever have a bat with
you when you went back in the house? And then
what I'm not talking about it? This is just too hard.
That's okay. I'll listen to you. Do I will. Holy
(01:00:42):
I came me in prison. I don't know, I don't know.
That's not me for for me to decide.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
The bat stood deep in the garage. Matt had to
fetch it himself. No voices, no hallucinations, just a man
wrestling with his demons and losing completely.
Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Man, where was do you tell me this part? Where
was the bat in the garage? Was it in a box?
Was it leaning up against the wall.
Speaker 10 (01:01:33):
In the back?
Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
He's in the back right, you're outside smoking. You went
(01:02:01):
to get it, You went to retrieve the vat you
went in the house. Did it just happen after that?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
S after it happened? How long?
Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
How long did it take you before you call 'em
nine on one?
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
A while?
Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Did you go out and have a couple of cigarettes?
Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
No? Did you call anybody called at Hobbs? Did you
call 'em immediately or did you have to get yourself
together a little bit? Ah? I called 'em right away,
called 'em right away. Kay, alright? Did you get stop
(01:02:57):
to your mom last night?
Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Make sure we get to call her again real quick
later on if you want to.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
That insisted his son. Never once annoyed him? Then why?
That question hung heavy in the air. No answer came,
only guilt swallowing the man who had nowhere left to go?
Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Man, can you tell me was was Jack's doing anything
that annoyed you yesterday? For oh?
Speaker 10 (01:03:36):
Never?
Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Never in our life? He never annoyed me ever? Can
you tell me why then that time?
Speaker 10 (01:03:51):
All right?
Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
All right, are gonna take little bit but break sack? Alright,
goad and collect your song.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Hello, thanks for sure? Sorry about okay, hitipee, And then
(01:05:11):
I jotted down a few different things. Okay, so we
you you left your phone in the front blown?
Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Do you have a pass code on that phone? No?
Is it it's open?
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Can I have your pass mode? No? Okay? Why not?
You don't want to see anything inside of it? Okay?
Is there anything in the phone you don't want me
to see? No? No, okay, there's some things you were
(01:05:46):
asking about. Why I was out there thinking about it.
You asked about a prison sentence. Alright, Uh, basically a
prison sentence is kinda come down to you'd never been
in trouble before, alright, Like you said, you really haven't
you ever been in a felony or anything like that.
So I don't know how much you understand about the
legal the legal process. Basically, the more truthful you are
(01:06:10):
in out front you are at this moment, determines what
what they're willing to do for you. Do you know
what I mean, if you're willing to yeah, boom, this
is what I did. I'm a f I I can't
believe I I did it. And then I I have
some issues, this is why I did it, blah blah
(01:06:31):
blah okay, and then they have a reason why. I
just things like that and cause you cause you asked.
So if you ask me a question, I'm gonna try
to read the best POSSIBLEY. I don't wanna. I don't
wanna sit there and tell you any lies or anything
like that. If you ask me something like I do
(01:06:53):
a little bit of research, you find out, So do
you wanna talk a little bit frem or about about
what happened. Matt, I do you know that I believe
that you're not a bad guy. Yeah, I don't know
(01:07:15):
that you you know that I believe that, right? Yeah? Okay, good?
I want you to I w I want you to
know that, and I want you to know that you
could always talk to me. Alright, I'm I'll leave you
my information and stuff like that. You know, you're of
course gonna get attorneys involved later on and and and
(01:07:37):
this and that. But Matt, if you ever wanna speak
with me, you can, alright. I know you're I know.
I know it hurts I too. I cried myself, Okay,
I did, right. I didn't sleep last night. I didn't.
(01:08:05):
I saw you at the hospital yesterday. Yeah, I thought, Wow,
you're just so lost, you know what I mean, You're
just lost. And that's all you are at this moment
is lost. That's all that's been lost. I know. And
I know you didn't do the s purpose. I know
you didn't. I know you love your son.
Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
He was told that honesty now might shape his fate,
but Matt seemed lost in a legal desert, unsure whether
to confess or cling to the last scraps of his
crumbling identity.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
And those people that love you, they love me, and
they forgive you or a because they know you didn't
do this on purpose. It's not okay. Look, it's not okay. No,
if you're right, it's not okay. I agree with you there,
it's not okay. But what you can't can't take it back?
(01:09:10):
Some take backs in life, and now you gotta move forward.
You can't right now it right now? You think you can't.
I know it. It's impossible for you to to look
at down the road and and see anything, cause I
(01:09:31):
who the fuck could? Who could? But right here, right now,
you're the opportunity of just tell me what happened, Explain
to your side of the story, what the fuck happened
and maybe why, and the prosecution will be able to
(01:09:59):
see that. You know, Math, Math's got some issues and
this is what he did. And I know you're remorseful. Okay,
that that that's big too. I show you were remorseful.
I know you can fucking you mean to do this.
I didn't, man, you know, believe me. I know we're
on the same page. Okay. I don't think you're evil.
(01:10:24):
I don't think not evil. I don't think you're a monster.
I don't, Man, it could have been It could have
been me, It could have been it could have been anybody.
Things happen to good people all the time, and I
see it every day. But I do my best to
(01:10:47):
can help these people the best I can. It helps
me sleep at night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (01:10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
It does.
Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
I don't know. Can I ask you when did you
know you were going to do what you were going
to do? I never know, Okay, I mean, was it
the exact moment it happened? Was it almost like I
(01:11:27):
can't even fucking believe I'm doing this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
It all began in the living room, no warning, no screams,
just a cold, calculated walk inside, baseball bat in hand,
and the empty eyes of a man who had already
lost everything.
Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Do you remember where it met? I know you remember it.
Where in the house did it first start? It's a
liver in a liviaar Okay. Did something happen in the
living room or is just one of those things where
you went and you got the bat and you walked
in and boom it was over. Yeah, And I gotta
(01:12:28):
ask you some tough questions, Okay, alright, and just go
through it with me again and again. I know the end.
You didn't You didn't mean to do this, Okay, I
(01:12:51):
know that sh Janis star Janis drops Jack's off. Just
say you had the story strait jastross Jack saw. He
goes inside. He's playing with his tablet on YouTube. You're
outside just uh on the back pat he just smoking
some cigarettes. Okay. You went into the garage, retrieved the
(01:13:15):
uh baseball bat which was in the back of the garage. MM. Okay, Uh,
you went into the house. Mmm. Where'd you go into
the house through the back door or through the side door?
The back door? He went through the back door. It's
sorry why he went through the back door? Did you
(01:13:36):
just walk right up to him and do it? I
don't wanna say about it. I know you don't. I
know you don't, but I don't wanna be able to
show that you know what happened and then you're remorseful
and I know you're you know what I mean? Yeah,
I know exactly that. I know exactly what you mean. Okay,
(01:13:57):
And if I can get you to that point, I
know you don't want to do Who would want to
do this? Nobody wants to do this if you trust
me enough to get you to that point and to
get that to the prosecutors that this.
Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Is what happened.
Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
He didn't mean for it to happen. It was kind
of like, you know, could you even label it like
a zombie walker? M And it just was it one
just continual thing, I mean to the garage, retreated back,
(01:14:42):
go in the house, and it happened. And then what
happened right.
Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
After that, right after Matt dialed nine one one, no hesitation.
But that final act couldn't erase what had happened. It
only proved that reason can return, but never in time
to undo the damage.
Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Called the cops. You didn't wait any any period of time.
I don't know, do you did you sit down? No, Matt,
do you remember touching your son on like his belly?
(01:15:30):
Did you kneel down him and maybe touch him with
your hand at all? Do you remember that? Why did
you do that? Just because there's a handprint on him,
that's all just like you know from the blood mark,
seeing if heels okay, seeing if he was okay? Did
(01:16:09):
you shake 'em it off?
Speaker 10 (01:16:31):
Matt?
Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Important question, look at me? Look did this happen? Before
or after you canceled the appointment with Jacqueline. After it
happened after you canceled with Jacqueline. So why did you
(01:16:55):
cancel with Jaquelin? So it was in fueling then? Did
you you really just weren't I mean the whole of
the mental thing or what I mean? Was it just
bearing down on you at that point?
Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
It's been bearing down on you for months. It's some
is sometimes would you characterize it as worse than other times?
And that day when Janis dropped off Jack's was it was?
Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
It?
Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Was it bearing down on you in that moment when
when you were out there talking in the yard with
Jans Mm, did you feel it? O? Now? Kay? See
you take Jacks inside, he's playing, and then you went
out to have a few cigarettes in the back yard.
Did it start bearing at your mind? Then? I don't
wanna all about it? Why don't just wanna talk about it?
(01:17:45):
Is that I didn't mean to do it. I know
you didn't. I know that's not the issue. Do you
know that? That's not the issue with with me and you?
Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
I know you know, I know you didn't mean to
do it.
Speaker 10 (01:18:02):
I know now to doubt my mind.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
When asked why he canceled therapy, Matt simply said, I
didn't feel well, but that sickness had nodded him for months,
a silent mental rot that finally erupted beyond control.
Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
So were you in the backyard smoking the cigarettes? Yeah?
I smelled, And then what happened? What were what entered
your mind? Where in my mind? I don't know, you
don't know. So were you in the backyard when you
(01:18:55):
texted Jacqueline? I told her you weren't feeling good. You know,
where were you at in the house? Upstairs? Upstairs? Well,
take me back a little bit, because you never you
never told me about being upstairs wastairs listening to music?
(01:19:18):
Was that? Was that before everything.
Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Happened, before the tragedy unfolded, Matt and his son were
quietly playing upstairs. Everything felt eerily peaceful, like a storm
silently building behind the walls.
Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
Well, when I was listening to music, Yeah, yeah, I
was just showing up in my room. Was Jack Sua
playing with me? Okay? So you guys were up you
guys were upstairs at that point? Yeah, okay? And then, uh,
well we hadn't talked about that before. So because we're
just hanging out and he was being you know, good
doing this you two thing, and he decided to just
(01:19:58):
go outside because decent day out, not too bad and uh,
I just go uh a couple of cigarettes up back?
He smoking the house at all? No, no, never, lady
in the winter m does does Jack's walk up walk
(01:20:21):
up and downstairs pretty well? No problem? I mean zipping
up right up and down?
Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
Yeah, he didn't fall down the stairs at all, nothing
like that. I mean that you're aware of, kah. So
when did this pop in your head to do this?
When you were outside or when you were upstairs listening
to music? The fuck? Is that what you're really thinking
(01:21:04):
about right now?
Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Yahu?
Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
I've interviewed a lot of people, and I don't think
that you really care about what's going on with you later.
Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
You know what I mean? When did this w When
did when did this pop in your head? Help me understand? Like,
(01:21:44):
nothing popped in my head? That's were you just on
an autopilot? What's that?
Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
Where you just fucking get up and just kind of
do something without even thinking about it? So why did
this happen? Then we were there? I wasn't I wanted
to be able to help you later on to dude,
(01:22:14):
I want to be able to tell them the actually,
this guy is remorseful. This guy told me what he did,
and he he's not who do you think he is?
You know what I mean? I don't know. Like I said,
I put your bag act. I never did. I look
(01:22:36):
at these cases and I think, you know, yeah, this
is a tragedy, but it's also a tragedy for you.
People seem to forget that.
Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
He didn't know what triggered it. No rage, no hatred,
just a lost mind spiraling into a void, acting on impulses.
Even he couldn't comprehend.
Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
You're losing somebody too, You know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (01:23:01):
I hit that.
Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Other people don't. So I mean, I'm looking to be
your voice to other people.
Speaker 10 (01:23:10):
M M excuse me?
Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
So you already give me a pass clothes your past close.
Is there anything in your phone that the that's gonna
help me understand? Why?
Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
No, could you help me understand? Why why did that?
Speaker 10 (01:23:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
I don't know. You don't how many times you hit 'em.
You don't lose more than once.
Speaker 8 (01:24:09):
Help me help you, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
You're not a throwaway.
Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
You're not.
Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
There's none jones to do with me.
Speaker 10 (01:24:28):
At this point, I can only.
Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
Tell them try to make him understand why. That's all.
And if you don't want me to do that, then
so you're gonna be tell 'em. The judge, tell the posecure,
(01:24:52):
We talk to the prosecure, and the prosecutor will decide
what kind of charges are appropriate, you know, evaluations and
all all all kinds of other stuff. If you need help,
(01:25:15):
we'll get you to help you need. But I need help.
I agree with uh. I got told it before. I
definitely agree. I'd like to get you to help. So
I'm gonna ask you one more time. It's a hard
tease talk about, brother, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
You and I both know what happened, Okay, The question
is why did it happen?
Speaker 10 (01:26:03):
I don't think you could answer that, but I can't
help to you on that one.
Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Matt couldn't recall how many times he struck. This wasn't
just a confession. It was a glimpse into a fractured
soul consumed by guilt and mental collapse.
Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
H did have anything? Can I ask you something? A
Manda man? Did he have anything to do with Samantha
and her new girlfriend. Now you're aware of that relationship
that make you mad at all?
Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Make me mad?
Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
It would, my lie. I've been in different relationships throughout
my life, and I think that had pissed me off.
This didn't have anything to do with Samantha. Now, okay,
were you mad at anybody?
Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (01:27:09):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
You don't remember how.
Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
Many times she hit checks with the bat?
Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
Do you remember where you left the back? Thinks a
nast one? Mkay, when you knelt, when you knocked down
to check and when you touched him? Was he was
(01:28:05):
he still with us? Was he still alive? I can't
talk about it. You can't talk about it? Is it
just too hard to talk about it? I just can't
tell me why you can't talk about it, Ladies, it
just too hard for you at this point?
Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Or just just don't want to?
Speaker 6 (01:28:23):
What's just just too fucked up?
Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
Kay?
Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Alright, do you have any questions for me? No? Okay?
Do you have to get back on the phone with
Mom later on the night for sure?
Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:28:46):
Yeah, I think I range should make that happen. Yeah, okay,
So anybody else you wanna call? Nah, just my mom,
just just mom, if you wanna call down at all.
Speaker 10 (01:28:57):
That was Mom, right, all right, oh.
Speaker 8 (01:29:08):
Sharon, all right, this is.
Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
And he's the last chance Matt.
Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
When asked who he wanted to call, Matt only said Mom.
And all that was shattered. The one anchor he still
reached for was the woman who once pulled him from
childhood shadows.
Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
What's the question why? I honestly don't know whow So
no anger towards anybody whatsoever. I don't. No, you don't
remember when you started to feel like this that day?
M So basically the time you spent yesterday. You went inside,
(01:30:11):
you went upstairs, you were listening to some music. He
was playing on uh his YouTube thing on the tablet.
You guys went downstairs in the living room he continued
to play. You went outside on the back patio. I
don't went outside the bout it, right, I'm just trying
to put together a time line, that's all. So, I know,
(01:30:32):
I know what what what the tella? That's all that's
a I mean, this isn't This isn't a who done it?
Or anything like that. Now, it's just a ma question
of of why. That's all. I'm not married about anything.
(01:31:11):
Uh why'd you do this? Then?
Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
M M?
Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
I don't know. Kay, alright, you ready take a little break,
a little break? Head back down? Have you back down?
Maybe get some deep uh, get hungry, getting hungry? Maybe
call my mom. I would like to call my mom. Yeah,
(01:31:57):
I don't see why not. We'll get that done. Hold
on the down, I got away from the escort. All right,
sure you don't have anything else to have right now? Okay,
maybe we'll talk again. All right, hey, hold on, wait,
(01:32:23):
sit down until he's ready.
Speaker 10 (01:32:28):
Nay mm hmm, behind you.
Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
I'll bear thank you, all right, math, come on out.
Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Hollow that.
Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Matthew Panomarenko will face charges of first degree murder and
is likely to be sentenced to life and without parole.
One moment of lost control ended the life of an
innocent child and stripped away a father's identity forever. This
is not just a family tragedy, but a wake up
call about the dangers of untreated mental illness in our society.
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